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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 19, 2014, 03:27:58 PM
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http://www.kansascity.com/2014/03/19/4900637/kansas-house-approves-financial.html (http://www.kansascity.com/2014/03/19/4900637/kansas-house-approves-financial.html)
Great idea in principle. Mandatory instruction is way overdue. They already have this in MO.
I do hope they include a provision that allows liberal parents to opt out. I'm also skeptical whether there are enough fiscal conservatives in our public schools to teach it properly. The part about teaching how to give a good handshake was pretty :lol: though.
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BOOM SHAKALAKA
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too much government involvement
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I think I'd trust a public school teacher with teaching my kid sex ed and evolution before I would trust him/her with teaching financial literacy. I'd be okay with them teaching handshakes I guess
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I wish I had taken one of these classes in high school. I would have taken out less student loan debt and invested earlier, for starters. The kids who this can really help are the ones who rack up grad school size student loan debts to get some useless degree from an out-of-state college.
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Other than the Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) handshake thing, this is what Home Economics is supposed to be rather than baking and sewing.
Also, how rough ridin' stupid are Kansans that our reps think part of the solution to our current economic woes is a handshake. How 1920's of their old and white asses.
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Also, how rough ridin' stupid are Kansans that our reps think part of the solution to our current economic woes is a handshake. How 1920's of their old and white asses.
Well, teaching creation in schools hasn't gotten us out of this mess like expected so now it's onto option 2.
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The handshake thing was an amendment that someone offered to be a smart ass and say how dumb this underlying bill was. The amendment passed though, adding a layer of hilarity to this.
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i agree with more handshake education. nothing is more devastating to a new relationship than a flubbed handshake.
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i agree with more handshake education. nothing is more devastating to a new relationship than a flubbed handshake.
100% agreed. How hard is it to give a firm handshake? Webbing to webbing, damnit.
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This seems like a pretty good program to me. Good job, house.
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Other than the Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) handshake thing, this is what Home Economics is supposed to be rather than baking and sewing.
Home Economics was created over a hundred years ago, sort of as a women's alternative to shop. Its purpose was to teach women how to be better homemakers. The origins are quite ironically very sexist. While teaching things like balancing a budget would seem to be a perfect fit for home economics, as you point out, those classes are still devoted to cooking, sewing, etc.
This bill doesn't mandate one particular class - it mandates that certain financial literacy instruction be incorporated into many classes K-12. It's a good idea, but somewhat nebulous in application. It would also be a great idea to require a specific class in "don't be a financial dumbass" that would be mandatory for, say, all high school juniors about the time they're looking at colleges.
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This seems like a pretty good program to me. Good job, house.
Yes, agree
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one time I was trying to shake hands with this old guy and his hand split my open hands fingers and he wrapped his hand around my pink and ring finger and then we shook like that.
Is it possible that it was some kind of intentional power move on his part? Or just the most embarrassing moment of both our lives?
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today in math we're going to learn how to shake hands
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Who would your ideal teacher for this course be? I think that maybe the school could just run credit scores on all the staff and pair the highest score with the lowest score. That way, they will hopefully get somebody who can actually give some good advice on how to use your money to make money and explain the difference between good debt and bad debt as well as somebody who can explain how they have to pay nearly a thousand dollars per month in credit card interest and child support so they are living in a trailer home despite earning the same salary as the person they are standing next to. I think that would be a real eye-opener to a teenager.
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one time I was trying to shake hands with this old guy and his hand split my open hands fingers and he wrapped his hand around my pink and ring finger and then we shook like that.
Is it possible that it was some kind of intentional power move on his part? Or just the most embarrassing moment of both our lives?
Sounds like a fraternity grip. You failed.
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Who would your ideal teacher for this course be? I think that maybe the school could just run credit scores on all the staff and pair the highest score with the lowest score. That way, they will hopefully get somebody who can actually give some good advice on how to use your money to make money and explain the difference between good debt and bad debt as well as somebody who can explain how they have to pay nearly a thousand dollars per month in credit card interest and child support so they are living in a trailer home despite earning the same salary as the person they are standing next to. I think that would be a real eye-opener to a teenager.
Dave Ramsey minus the scripture references. It's financial learnin for dummies, but you could do a lot worse. I think he even has a specific course for high schoolers.
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This bill doesn't mandate one particular class - it mandates that certain financial literacy instruction be incorporated into many classes K-12.
i like any plan that encourages ALL teachers to teach financial literacy because some of them will suck at it and some will be great. my high school teacher who was supposed to cover budgeting and home ec-type stuff was pathetic, but a lot of kids benefitted from a math and government teacher who took it upon themselves to teach about loans, interest rates, and rental agreements.
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i agree with more handshake education. nothing is more devastating to a new relationship than a flubbed handshake.
Maybe if they teach you how to accurately assess the sitch and apply the appropriate handshake type.
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Other than the Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) handshake thing, this is what Home Economics is supposed to be rather than baking and sewing.
Home Economics was created over a hundred years ago, sort of as a women's alternative to shop. Its purpose was to teach women how to be better homemakers. The origins are quite ironically very sexist. While teaching things like balancing a budget would seem to be a perfect fit for home economics, as you point out, those classes are still devoted to cooking, sewing, etc.
This bill doesn't mandate one particular class - it mandates that certain financial literacy instruction be incorporated into many classes K-12. It's a good idea, but somewhat nebulous in application. It would also be a great idea to require a specific class in "don't be a financial dumbass" that would be mandatory for, say, all high school juniors about the time they're looking at colleges.
Back then, managing day to day books of the house was the woman's job as the homemaker. Home Ec used to deal with budgets and stuff.
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the fact that they don't mandate a specific class probably opens the door for things like "Cash flow for Christians" or some variation
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The fact that they are mandating it be taught and assessed but providing no other input is typical and huge LOL on the handshake part. I think financial literacy absolutely should be taught and it should be a class with an actual curriculum required in high school. That makes it someone's responsibility.
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The fact that they are mandating it be taught and assessed but providing no other input is typical and huge LOL on the handshake part. I think financial literacy absolutely should be taught and it should be a class with an actual curriculum required in high school. That makes it someone's responsibility.
I'm not really sure how this works. Wouldn't the state board of education be in charge of setting the curriculum after the legislature mandates something like this?
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The fact that they are mandating it be taught and assessed but providing no other input is typical and huge LOL on the handshake part. I think financial literacy absolutely should be taught and it should be a class with an actual curriculum required in high school. That makes it someone's responsibility.
Actually, looks like the bill requires both overall adjustments to k-10 curriculum and a specific class in grades 11 or 12. Good. And while they don't insert a specific chapter by chapter syllabus in the bill, it's pretty specific on the subjects to be covered. Good.
http://kslegislature.org/li/b2013_14/measures/documents/hb2475_00_0000.pdf (http://kslegislature.org/li/b2013_14/measures/documents/hb2475_00_0000.pdf)
I don't see anything about a handshake. If some libtard put that in as an amendment just to ridicule the bill, what an bad person.
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"Sometimes, you may move in for a nice firm handshake and be met by a closed fist"
"...now it is important to quickly asses if the fist is held straight out or slightly out and up as this will effect the way with which you should reciprocate, or receive, the 'dap'..."
"...recover in such situations needs to be fluid and seamless so you don't seem like some square who isn't 'hip' or 'with it'..."
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I don't see anything about a handshake. If some libtard put that in as an amendment just to ridicule the bill, what an bad person.
I agree. There is plenty of ridiculous crap that the Kansas House votes on every year. This bill seems like a strange one to mock.
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The fact that they are mandating it be taught and assessed but providing no other input is typical and huge LOL on the handshake part. I think financial literacy absolutely should be taught and it should be a class with an actual curriculum required in high school. That makes it someone's responsibility.
Actually, looks like the bill requires both overall adjustments to k-10 curriculum and a specific class in grades 11 or 12. Good. And while they don't insert a specific chapter by chapter syllabus in the bill, it's pretty specific on the subjects to be covered. Good.
http://kslegislature.org/li/b2013_14/measures/documents/hb2475_00_0000.pdf (http://kslegislature.org/li/b2013_14/measures/documents/hb2475_00_0000.pdf)
I don't see anything about a handshake. If some libtard put that in as an amendment just to ridicule the bill, what an bad person.
It was a Republican from St. Francis and he was dead serious. And everyone else agreed. Again, it is good policy to insist upon financial literacy for all students. It is likely bad policy to insist upon it being added in to state assessments and sprinkled throughout the curriculum because implementation and effectiveness will be very uneven.
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do the dames get taught how to curtsey?
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http://www.kansascity.com/2014/03/19/4900637/kansas-house-approves-financial.html (http://www.kansascity.com/2014/03/19/4900637/kansas-house-approves-financial.html)
Great idea in principle. Mandatory instruction is way overdue. They already have this in MO.
I do hope they include a provision that allows liberal parents to opt out. I'm also skeptical whether there are enough fiscal conservatives in our public schools to teach it properly. The part about teaching how to give a good handshake was pretty :lol: though.
Here's KSU always thinking conservatives have some sort of fiscal responsibility pedestal to stand on. We saw what you did on credit last decade. Your brand is a buncha frauds
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http://www.kansascity.com/2014/03/19/4900637/kansas-house-approves-financial.html (http://www.kansascity.com/2014/03/19/4900637/kansas-house-approves-financial.html)
Great idea in principle. Mandatory instruction is way overdue. They already have this in MO.
I do hope they include a provision that allows liberal parents to opt out. I'm also skeptical whether there are enough fiscal conservatives in our public schools to teach it properly. The part about teaching how to give a good handshake was pretty :lol: though.
Here's KSU always thinking conservatives have some sort of fiscal responsibility pedestal to stand on. We saw what you did on credit last decade. Your brand is a buncha frauds
The difference, of course, is that (most) republicans seem to have learned their lesson, whereas Democrats don't even seem to be pretending anymore that they're in favor of fiscal responsibility. Also, conservatives, which are becoming more and more prominent in the Republican Party due to the tea party, were never in favor of the spending during the Bush admin. Just because republicans don't have a sterling record on fiscal responsibility does not excuse the democrats from being worse.
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http://www.kansascity.com/2014/03/19/4900637/kansas-house-approves-financial.html (http://www.kansascity.com/2014/03/19/4900637/kansas-house-approves-financial.html)
Great idea in principle. Mandatory instruction is way overdue. They already have this in MO.
I do hope they include a provision that allows liberal parents to opt out. I'm also skeptical whether there are enough fiscal conservatives in our public schools to teach it properly. The part about teaching how to give a good handshake was pretty :lol: though.
Here's KSU always thinking conservatives have some sort of fiscal responsibility pedestal to stand on. We saw what you did on credit last decade. Your brand is a buncha frauds
The difference, of course, is that (most) republicans seem to have learned their lesson, whereas Democrats don't even seem to be pretending anymore that they're in favor of fiscal responsibility. Also, conservatives, which are becoming more and more prominent in the Republican Party due to the tea party, were never in favor of the spending during the Bush admin. Just because republicans don't have a sterling record on fiscal responsibility does not excuse the democrats from being worse.
:lol:
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http://www.kansascity.com/2014/03/19/4900637/kansas-house-approves-financial.html (http://www.kansascity.com/2014/03/19/4900637/kansas-house-approves-financial.html)
Great idea in principle. Mandatory instruction is way overdue. They already have this in MO.
I do hope they include a provision that allows liberal parents to opt out. I'm also skeptical whether there are enough fiscal conservatives in our public schools to teach it properly. The part about teaching how to give a good handshake was pretty :lol: though.
Here's KSU always thinking conservatives have some sort of fiscal responsibility pedestal to stand on. We saw what you did on credit last decade. Your brand is a buncha frauds
The difference, of course, is that (most) republicans seem to have learned their lesson, whereas Democrats don't even seem to be pretending anymore that they're in favor of fiscal responsibility. Also, conservatives, which are becoming more and more prominent in the Republican Party due to the tea party, were never in favor of the spending during the Bush admin. Just because republicans don't have a sterling record on fiscal responsibility does not excuse the democrats from being worse.
You've been lied too KSU, Reagan pulled the same supply side bs in the 80s. Before you go Tip Oneil on me, Reagan had the Senate six years.
Your favorite team doesn't have much of a higher platform, if one at all.
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http://www.kansascity.com/2014/03/19/4900637/kansas-house-approves-financial.html (http://www.kansascity.com/2014/03/19/4900637/kansas-house-approves-financial.html)
Great idea in principle. Mandatory instruction is way overdue. They already have this in MO.
I do hope they include a provision that allows liberal parents to opt out. I'm also skeptical whether there are enough fiscal conservatives in our public schools to teach it properly. The part about teaching how to give a good handshake was pretty :lol: though.
Here's KSU always thinking conservatives have some sort of fiscal responsibility pedestal to stand on. We saw what you did on credit last decade. Your brand is a buncha frauds
The difference, of course, is that (most) republicans seem to have learned their lesson, whereas Democrats don't even seem to be pretending anymore that they're in favor of fiscal responsibility. Also, conservatives, which are becoming more and more prominent in the Republican Party due to the tea party, were never in favor of the spending during the Bush admin. Just because republicans don't have a sterling record on fiscal responsibility does not excuse the democrats from being worse.
You've been lied too KSU, Reagan pulled the same supply side bs in the 80s. Before you go Tip Oneil on me, Reagan had the Senate six years.
Your favorite team doesn't have much of a higher platform, if one at all.
It's still great that we are taking an initiative to teach young Kansas how to invest their money and not wreck their lives with bad debt. I really don't see how anybody could be against that, at least in concept.
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Will be interesting to see whether the left attacks this as conservative subterfuge for racism or sexism.
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Will be interesting to see whether the left attacks this as conservative subterfuge for racism or sexism.
So far, they mainly seem to be criticizing it from a school funding perspective: "oh sure, Brownback wants to cut school finding but also wants our poor teachers to teach more mandatory classes." Indeed, this is likely such a foreign concept to many teachers that I suspect some additional training will be necessary.
But I suspect the real reason that libtards are upset about teaching fiscal responsibility to students is that it might make them less dependent on the government and start questioning why the federal government can't run a balanced budget when everybody else has to.
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Will be interesting to see whether the left attacks this as conservative subterfuge for racism or sexism.
So far, they mainly seem to be criticizing it from a school funding perspective: "oh sure, Brownback wants to cut school finding but also wants our poor teachers to teach more mandatory classes." Indeed, this is likely such a foreign concept to many teachers that I suspect some additional training will be necessary.
But I suspect the real reason that libtards are upset about teaching fiscal responsibility to students is that it might make them less dependent on the government and start questioning why the federal government can't run a balanced budget when everybody else has to.
I would like to see our schools adequately funded, too.
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Will be interesting to see whether the left attacks this as conservative subterfuge for racism or sexism.
So far, they mainly seem to be criticizing it from a school funding perspective: "oh sure, Brownback wants to cut school finding but also wants our poor teachers to teach more mandatory classes." Indeed, this is likely such a foreign concept to many teachers that I suspect some additional training will be necessary.
But I suspect the real reason that libtards are upset about teaching fiscal responsibility to students is that it might make them less dependent on the government and start questioning why the federal government can't run a balanced budget when everybody else has to.
I think teaching financial literacy in schools is really important and long overdue. It will really piss me off if it isn't treated as a serious exercise. And a former teacher and administrator throwing on a rider about handshakes should provide some clue about some of the clowns that are in charge of teaching your kid. I believe that teachers tend to be competent, but there are a lot of them and even assuming a normal distribution of talent would dictate that the more guidance and curricular standards provided on what/how to teach financial literacy the better.
TL;DR
If financial literacy is NOT important, then don't teach it.
If financial literacy IS important, make every effort to teach it well.
If teachers are competent, provide them with a clear goal and let them teach.
If teachers are INcompetent provide them with a clear goal, training, curricular resources and fire them if they can't teach.
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The KS legislature is on a hot streak.
http://www.kansascity.com/2014/03/21/4905435/kansas-senate-committee-votes.html (http://www.kansascity.com/2014/03/21/4905435/kansas-senate-committee-votes.html). About damn time these idiotic "green energy" standards are repealed. All they were good for was jacking up electricity bills and erecting sprawling, inefficient wind farms.
And then there's http://m.kansascity.com/?cu=spreed%3A%2F15988409%2F29903870 (http://m.kansascity.com/?cu=spreed%3A%2F15988409%2F29903870), a bill linking legislator pay to 80% of average school teacher pay.
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I would love to be a handshake teacher. I would teach a ton of fun ones