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2013-14 PHILLIPS 66 ALL-BIG 12 MEN'S BASKETBALL AWARDS
PLAYER OF THE YEAR
Melvin Ejim, Iowa State, F, 6-6, 220, Sr., Toronto, Ontario, Canada/Brewster Academy [N.H.]
DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR
Joel Embiid, Kansas, C, 7-0, 250, Fr., Yaounde, Cameroon/The Rock School [Fla.]
NEWCOMER OF THE YEAR
DeAndre Kane, Iowa State, G, 6-4, 200, Sr., Pittsburgh, Pa./The Patterson School/Marshall
FRESHMAN OF THE YEAR
Andrew Wiggins, Kansas, G, 6-8, 200, Fr., Vaughan, Ontario, Canada/Huntington Prep [W. Va.]
SIXTH MAN AWARD
Tyler Neal, Oklahoma, F, 6-7, 234, Sr., Oklahoma City, Okla./Putnam City West
Phil Forte, Oklahoma State, G, 5-11, 185, So., Flower Mound, Texas/Marcus
COACH OF THE YEAR
Rick Barnes, Texas [Career: 582-298, 27th season; At UT: 380-164, 16th season]
All-Big 12 First Team Pos. Ht. Wt. Cl. Hometown/Previous School(s)
Melvin Ejim, Iowa State** F 6-6 220 Sr. Toronto, Ontario, Canada/Brewster Academy [N.H.]
DeAndre Kane, Iowa State G 6-4 200 Sr. Pittsburgh, Pa./The Patterson School/Marshall
Andrew Wiggins, Kansas** G 6-8 200 Fr. Vaughan, Ontario, Canada/Huntington Prep [W. Va.]
Marcus Smart, Oklahoma State G 6-4 220 So. Flower Mound, Texas/Marcus
Juwan Staten, West Virginia G 6-1 190 Jr. Dayton, Ohio/Oak Hill Academy/Dayton
All-Big 12 Second Team Pos. Ht. Wt. Cl. Hometown/Previous School(s)
Joel Embiid, Kansas C 7-0 250 Fr. Yaounde, Cameroon/The Rock School [Fla.]
Marcus Foster, Kansas State G 6-2 200 Fr. Wichita Fallas, Texas/Hirschi
Buddy Hield, Oklahoma G 6-4 208 So. Freeport, Bahamas/Sunrise Christian Academy [Kan.]
Markel Brown, Oklahoma State G 6-3 190 Sr. Alexandria, La./Peabody
Jonathan Holmes, Texas F 6-8 240 Jr. San Antonio, Texas/Antonian College Prep
All-Big 12 Third Team Pos. Ht. Wt. Cl. Hometown/Previous School(s)
Cory Jefferson, Baylor F 6-9 220 Sr. Killeen, Texas/Killeen
Georges Niang, Iowa State F 6-7 240 So. Methuen, Mass./The Tilton School
Perry Ellis, Kansas F 6-8 225 So. Wichita, Kan./Wichita Heights
Cameron Clark, Oklahoma F 6-7 211 Sr. Sherman, Texas/Sherman
Jaye Crockett, Texas Tech F 6-7 210 Sr. Clovis, N.M./Clovis
All-Big 12 Honorable Mention (Listed alphabetically by school)
Isaiah Austin (Baylor), Wayne Selden Jr. (Kansas), Naadir Tharpe (Kansas), Thomas Gipson (Kansas State), Will Spradling (Kansas State), Ryan Spangler (Oklahoma), Le'Bryan Nash (Oklahoma State), Kyan Anderson (TCU), Javan Felix (Texas), Cameron Ridley (Texas), Isaiah Taylor (Texas), Eron Harris (West Virginia).
Big 12 All-Defensive Team Pos. Ht. Wt. Cl. Hometown/Previous School(s)
Isaiah Austin, Baylor C 7-1 225 So. Arlington, Texas/Grace Preparatory Academy
Joel Embiid, Kansas** C 7-0 250 Fr. Yaounde, Cameroon/The Rock School [Fla.]
Marcus Smart, Oklahoma State** G 6-4 220 So. Flower Mound, Texas/Marcus
Demarcus Holland, Texas G 6-2 185 So. Garland, Texas/Naaman Forest
Cameron Ridley, Texas C 6-9 285 So. Richmond, Texas/Bush
Juwan Staten, West Virginia G 6-1 190 Jr. Dayton, Ohio/Oak Hill Academy/Dayton
Big 12 All-Newcomer Team Pos. Ht. Wt. Cl. Hometown/Previous School(s)
DeAndre Kane, Iowa State G 6-4 200 Sr. Pittsburgh, Pa./The Patterson School/Marshall
Joel Embiid, Kansas** C 7-0 250 Fr. Yaounde, Cameroon/The Rock School [Fla.]
Andrew Wiggins, Kansas** G 6-8 200 Fr. Vaughan, Ontario, Canada/Huntington Prep [W. Va.]
Marcus Foster, Kansas State G 6-2 200 Fr. Wichita Fallas, Texas/Hirschi
Isaiah Taylor, Texas G 6-1 170 Fr. Hayward, Calif./The Village School [Texas]
I've always felt to be a pretty good team you need at least 2 guys to make the first 3 teams (Top 15). To only have Foster on the 2nd team means we probably overachieved for the players we currently have, especially since we aren't really a bubble team at this point. Gip and Will finish with HM, if one of those two (or Shane) had stepped up and played 3rd team level we'd probably be looking at a 5/6 seed and 2nd or 3rd in the league.
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The Big 12 had a lot of really good players this year.
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good for Marcus.
I disagree with the POY pick and I hate the COY pick, that should have been Self or Lon. Also I think Ellis should have been second team over Holmes.
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Tubby should of won coach of the year, IMO. Ellis was KUs best player this year, funny he was rated the 3rd by the coaches.
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Lon should have gotten COY. 2nd place finish and swept Barnes UT team.
There wasn't really a dynamic POY candidate, so i tend to agree that it should have gone to Ejim. Much like McLemore, Wiggins did not deserve it just because he was on a league winning team
Holmes on 2nd and Crockett on 3rd a little surprising. Heck Texas has 4 decent players and Im not so sure than Holmes isn't the 4th most valuable of the 4.
Staten, Foster, Heild, Ellis and 1 other player likely will be preseason 1st team next season.
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Lon or Self should be COY.
Don't really get Foster on Def 2nd team, but yippie for him.
Will even as HOM is laughable.
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Tubby should of won coach of the year, IMO. Ellis was KUs best player this year
we should have a mixed-nutz outrageous post of the day.
Texas Tech is a whole 3 conference games better this year than last. That Perry Ellis point is :ROFL:
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Don't really get Foster on Def 2nd team, but yippie for him.
What in the world is defensive 2nd team?
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Don't really get Foster on Def 2nd team, but yippie for him.
What in the world is defensive 2nd team?
I meant newcomer
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actually, I just didn't read it and was confused :blush:
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:lol:
beems34: I have never wanted KU to leave the @Big12Conference more than I do now after seeing that awards list. What an absolute disgrace.
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Did we end up with the number one defense? Impressive considering zero players on the all-defensive team
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Did we end up with the number one defense? Impressive considering zero players on the all-defensive team
3rd behind KU and OSU.
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Did we end up with the number one defense? Impressive considering zero players on the all-defensive team
3rd behind KU and OSU.
How did KU pass us?
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Did we end up with the number one defense? Impressive considering zero players on the all-defensive team
3rd behind KU and OSU.
How did KU pass us?
b/c we've been awful for the last month is my guess
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Perry got screwed.
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Is it unreasonable to think Westicles could be a 3rd team all big 12 player next year?
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Not IMO.
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Is it unreasonable to think Westicles could be a 3rd team all big 12 player next year?
In the future? Yes, he could be.
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Is it unreasonable to think Westicles could be a 3rd team all big 12 player next year?
Not at all. I would even say I expect him to be by the time he's a JR, maybe next year. I think he can be very good here.
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self should be coy. what a dumb award.
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Is it unreasonable to think Westicles could be a 3rd team all big 12 player next year?
not unreasonable. if he improves his shot, he could be better than that.
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Did we end up with the number one defense? Impressive considering zero players on the all-defensive team
it's really curious. there isn't a single player on the team i think is a great defender (i.e. i don't think anyone was unjustifiably left off), but the defense as a whole is obviously pretty good. next year's defense will be very interesting.
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Did we end up with the number one defense? Impressive considering zero players on the all-defensive team
it's really curious. there isn't a single player on the team i think is a great defender (i.e. i don't think anyone was unjustifiably left off), but the defense as a whole is obviously pretty good. next year's defense will be very interesting.
Maybe we are just better at most teams in regards to maintaining the right man-ball orientation and reacting quickly for help defense. :dunno:
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Did we end up with the number one defense? Impressive considering zero players on the all-defensive team
it's really curious. there isn't a single player on the team i think is a great defender (i.e. i don't think anyone was unjustifiably left off), but the defense as a whole is obviously pretty good. next year's defense will be very interesting.
Maybe we are just better at most teams in regards to maintaining the right man-ball orientation and reacting quickly for help defense. :dunno:
we seem really bad at that, too. But Baylor seemed to be the only team that could consistently make us pay for it.
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:excited:
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:lol:
beems34: I have never wanted KU to leave the @Big12Conference more than I do now after seeing that awards list. What an absolute disgrace.
:lol:
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Barnes as COY is a joke. Either Lon or Self, with a lean toward Lon for coaching up a tram with far less talent than KU, should have won it.
Glad to see Marcus get some accolades.
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Lon or Self should be COY.
Don't really get Foster on Def 2nd team, but yippie for him.
Will even as HOM is laughable.
By the time you get to HM, that's over 25 players in a conference with around 50 total starters. So, being tagged as mediocre for a 4-year starter seems pretty meaningless. So I'm ok with it.
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good for Marcus.
I disagree with the POY pick and I hate the COY pick, that should have been Self or Lon. Also I think Ellis should have been second team over Holmes.
Pretty much agree with all this. Self is basically COY every year.
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Who would you have made POY MIR?
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Lon or Self should be COY.
Don't really get Foster on Def 2nd team, but yippie for him.
Will even as HOM is laughable.
By the time you get to HM, that's over 25 players in a conference with around 50 total starters. So, being tagged as mediocre for a 4-year starter seems pretty meaningless. So I'm ok with it.
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Forte should be in his place.
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Seems like all big 12 is just something for nerdy BBSers to talk about
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Seems like all big 12 is just something for nerdy BBSers to talk about
:love:
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Wow, almost meaningless conference awards causes squawkville to go into total meltdown.
Hilarious.
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Wow, almost meaningless mega-validation conference awards causes squawkville to go into total meltdown.
Hilarious.
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There are people in this world actually upset with the Big 12 HM selections. Amazing.
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AP All Big 12: http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2014/03/10/the-2013-14-ap-all-big-12-mens-basketball-teams/6254059/
FIRST TEAM:
Melvin Ejim, Iowa St., Sr., 6-6, 220, Toronto, Ontario.
DeAndre Kane, Iowa St., Sr., 6-4, 200, Pittsburgh, Pa.
Marcus Smart, Oklahoma St., So., 6-4, 225, Flower Mound, Texas.
Juwan Staten, West Virginia, Jr., 6-1, 190, Dayton, Ohio.
Andrew Wiggins, Kansas, Fr., 6-8, 200, Vaughan, Ontario.
SECOND TEAM:
Markel Brown, Oklahoma St., Sr., 6-3, 190, Alexandria, La.
Joel Embiid, Kansas, Fr., 7-0, 250, Yaounde, Cameroon.
Marcus Foster, Kansas St., Fr., 6-2, 200, Wichita Falls, Texas.
Buddy Hield, Oklahoma, So., 6-4, 208, Freeport, Bahamas.
Cory Jefferson, Baylor, Sr., 6-9, 220, Killeen, Texas.
HONORABLE MENTION:
Kyan Anderson, TCU; Bryce Chery, Baylor; Cameron Clark, Oklahoma; Jaye Crockett, Texas Tech; Perry Ellis, Kansas; Eron Harris, West Virginia; Jonathan Holmes, Texas; Georges Niang, Iowa St.; Cameron Ridley, Texas; Ryan Spangler, Oklahoma; Isaiah Taylor, Texas.
COACH OF THE YEAR: Lon Kruger, Oklahoma.
PLAYER OF THE YEAR: Melvin Ejim, Iowa St.
NEWCOMER OF THE YEAR: DeAndre Kane, Iowa St.
FRESHMAN OF THE YEAR: Andrew Wiggins, Kansas.
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even more reason why Foster deserves more love. If he's our only player sniffing these lists and we're a tourney team, what does that say?
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FIRST TEAM:
Melvin Ejim, Iowa St., Sr., 6-6, 220, Toronto, Ontario.
DeAndre Kane, Iowa St., Sr., 6-4, 200, Pittsburgh, Pa.
Marcus Smart, Oklahoma St., So., 6-4, 225, Flower Mound, Texas.
Juwan Staten, West Virginia, Jr., 6-1, 190, Dayton, Ohio.
Andrew Wiggins, Kansas, Fr., 6-8, 200, Vaughan, Ontario.
SECOND TEAM:
Markel Brown, Oklahoma St., Sr., 6-3, 190, Alexandria, La.
Joel Embiid, Kansas, Fr., 7-0, 250, Yaounde, Cameroon.
Marcus Foster, Kansas St., Fr., 6-2, 200, Wichita Falls, Texas.
Buddy Hield, Oklahoma, So., 6-4, 208, Freeport, Bahamas.
Cory Jefferson, Baylor, Sr., 6-9, 220, Killeen, Texas.
HONORABLE MENTION:
Kyan Anderson, TCU; Bryce Chery, Baylor; Cameron Clark, Oklahoma; Jaye Crockett, Texas Tech; Perry Ellis, Kansas; Eron Harris, West Virginia; Jonathan Holmes, Texas; Georges Niang, Iowa St.; Cameron Ridley, Texas; Ryan Spangler, Oklahoma; Isaiah Taylor, Texas.
COACH OF THE YEAR: Lon Kruger, Oklahoma.
PLAYER OF THE YEAR: Melvin Ejim, Iowa St.
NEWCOMER OF THE YEAR: DeAndre Kane, Iowa St.
FRESHMAN OF THE YEAR: Andrew Wiggins, Kansas.
these conference awards make me feel really rough ridin' stupid for being even a little upset with our 10-8 conference record the last few days.
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these conference awards make me feel really rough ridin' stupid for being even a little upset with our 10-8 conference record the last few days.
Yeah, if you judge anything based on these awards, oscar and his staff did one heck of a job with this team.
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Coaches and writers undervalue Gipson, too.
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Coaches and writers undervalue Gipson, too.
To an extent. I really like the way he developed this year, but he certainly wasn't 1st or 2nd team level. The coaches giving him HM is probably about right.
Here's a comparison from the KC Star with their team, Coaches, and AP: http://www.kansascity.com/2014/03/09/4877286/complete-list-of-all-big-12-teams.html
Everyone talks about OSU and BU underachieving, but with two 1st team guys and the POY, you could argue ISU was up there and should have contended with KU for the league title.
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offense v defense.
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Texas didn't have anyone on the AP teams.
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Texas didn't have anyone on the AP teams.
Yeah, I thought about Texas as being the other team who overachieved considering who they had on all league teams. Granted, the AP had 3 Longhorns as HM. OU only had a 2nd team AP player (2 HM) as well. This sort of explains the Coaches/AP voting for Barnes and Kruger.
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It still mystifies me that recruiting is not viewed as part of coaching.
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It still mystifies me that recruiting is not viewed as part of coaching.
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yes, that is very mystifying indeed. very, very, mystifying.
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I would straight up have no problem giving COY to Self every year.
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Hopefully oscar can recruit better players so he doesn't have to be such an awesome coach.
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Hopefully oscar can recruit better players so he doesn't have to be such an awesome coach.
I love these responses.
But yes, he needs more good players if he wants to go beyond being a bubble team. Of course, its likely Foster will be one of the Top 5 players in the league maybe even next year, but for sure his JR/SR seasons. When you have that, you should be contending for a league title.
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Hopefully oscar can recruit better players so he doesn't have to be such an awesome coach.
I love these responses.
But yes, he needs more good players if he wants to go beyond being a bubble team. Of course, its likely Foster will be one of the Top 5 players in the league maybe even next year, but for sure his JR/SR seasons. When you have that, you should be contending for a league title.
Can you imagine how good of a team ksu could be if oscar recruited really well? Like, for example if he recruited like Self or something. We'd be national championship game good....
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Can you imagine how good of a team ksu could be if oscar recruited really well? Like, for example if he recruited like Self or something. We'd be national championship game good....
FACT!
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I think oscar did a very good job recruiting last year. His only failure was in addressing a glaring need at the post, but I haven't liked a freshman class this much since Beasley/Pullen/Sutton/Walker/Samuels. It's a distant 2nd, but it's still 2nd.
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Tubby should of won coach of the year, IMO. Ellis was KUs best player this year
we should have a mixed-nutz outrageous post of the day.
Texas Tech is a whole 3 conference games better this year than last. That Perry Ellis point is :ROFL:
Fwiw, this one doesn't even begin to represent how outrageous most of mixed-nutz' claims are irl
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I think oscar did a very good job recruiting last year. His only failure was in addressing a glaring need at the post, but I haven't liked a freshman class this much since Beasley/Pullen/Sutton/Walker/Samuels. It's a distant 2nd, but it's still 2nd.
Yeah, oscar did a phenomenal job recruiting with the freshman class. I mean, I think he kind of got lucky, but that's just the way it goes sometimes.
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Maybe, just maybe, he knew what he was doing! :surprised:
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Maybe, just maybe, he knew what he was doing! :surprised:
I'm almost more worried if he thinks he knew what he was doing. I don't think finding Marcus Foster's is a very sustainable recruiting plan.
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Maybe, just maybe, he knew what he was doing! :surprised:
I'm almost more worried if he thinks he knew what he was doing. I don't think finding Marcus Foster's is a very sustainable recruiting plan.
I like that they got a couple transfers in Edwards and Bolden. I think that's a good chance to take at times when you are K-State. Granted, you could end up with a Herrera or a Murda.
But finding a guy like Foster who plays like a Top 50 recruit is not likely to happen again in the next couple years.
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Who would you have made POY MIR?
Wiggins. Ejim is okay I guess but to me he's Cartier Martin and people would :ROFL: at him being the Big 12 POY.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=cartier-martin&i=1&p1=melvin-ejim
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Maybe, just maybe, he knew what he was doing! :surprised:
I'm almost more worried if he thinks he knew what he was doing. I don't think finding Marcus Foster's is a very sustainable recruiting plan.
I like that they got a couple transfers in Edwards and Bolden. I think that's a good chance to take at times when you are K-State. Granted, you could end up with a Herrera or a Murda.
But finding a guy like Foster who plays like a Top 50 recruit is not likely to happen again in the next couple years.
I agree the transfers are a good strategy. But like you said, it's hard to know how Bolden will play out. (I think we have a pretty good idea with Edwards).
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I feel pretty good about our lineup next year. That being said, i'm basing that strictly off "hype" for Hurt and "potential" for Bolden. That didn't work well for me with Thomas.
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(I think we have a pretty good idea with Edwards).
How good do you think Edwards will be?
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I feel pretty good about our lineup next year. That being said, i'm basing that strictly off "hype" for Hurt and "potential" for Bolden. That didn't work well for me with Thomas.
JT is going to be good next year.
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Who would you have made POY MIR?
Wiggins. Ejim is okay I guess but to me he's Cartier Martin and people would :ROFL: at him being the Big 12 POY.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=cartier-martin&i=1&p1=melvin-ejim
Wow. The rebounding is the obvious difference, but the scoring/shooting stats are shockingly similar. Good find
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(I think we have a pretty good idea with Edwards).
How good do you think Edwards will be?
depends on minutes and usage, I'd guess around 9ppg (+/-4ppg), 46% EFG (+/-5%).
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Who would you have made POY MIR?
Wiggins. Ejim is okay I guess but to me he's Cartier Martin and people would :ROFL: at him being the Big 12 POY.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=cartier-martin&i=1&p1=melvin-ejim
Wow. The rebounding is the obvious difference, but the scoring/shooting stats are shockingly similar. Good find
Thank you. I've been sitting on that link since Ejim's 48 point game.
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I feel pretty good about our lineup next year. That being said, i'm basing that strictly off "hype" for Hurt and "potential" for Bolden. That didn't work well for me with Thomas.
JT is going to be good next year.
I hope so. I like his speed and defense. I hope he can work on the other things. No more passes to the other team. :nono:
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Do we have a "Mr. Hustle" award? I would give that one to Thomas.
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(I think we have a pretty good idea with Edwards).
How good do you think Edwards will be?
depends on minutes and usage, I'd guess around 9ppg (+/-4ppg), 46% EFG (+/-5%).
Here's a comparable player:
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/player/georgia/gerald-robinson
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(I think we have a pretty good idea with Edwards).
How good do you think Edwards will be?
depends on minutes and usage, I'd guess around 9ppg (+/-4ppg), 46% EFG (+/-5%).
Here's a comparable player:
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/player/georgia/gerald-robinson
Nice comparo. WOULD TAKE.
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Ejim Won, he's the best, deal with it.
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Ejim Won, he's the best, deal with it.
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Didn't realize there was much resistance on this site regarding Ejim getting POY.
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Ejim is pretty crappy as B12POYs go. Wiggins should have gotten it IMO.
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Ejim is pretty crappy as B12POYs go. Wiggins should have gotten it IMO.
wiggins didn't do crap on the road.... except for scoring a bunch of useless pts when KU was getting spanked at WV. Im not saying Ejim was a great Big 12 POY.... but I think he deserved it more than Wiggy.
(I think we have a pretty good idea with Edwards).
How good do you think Edwards will be?
depends on minutes and usage, I'd guess around 9ppg (+/-4ppg), 46% EFG (+/-5%).
Here's a comparable player:
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/player/georgia/gerald-robinson
Good comparison. I was actually thinking 14 pts and around 35% from 3pt would be nice stats to have from Edwards next year
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Ejim is pretty crappy as B12POYs go. Wiggins should have gotten it IMO.
wiggins didn't do crap on the road.... except for scoring a bunch of useless pts when KU was getting spanked at WV. Im not saying Ejim was a great Big 12 POY.... but I think he deserved it more than Wiggy.
That's a very weird qualifier and also some very strong butthurt to call those meaningless points. That was nearly the greatest comeback in college basketball history, Wiggins was ridiculous the second half of that game
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I would of really enjoyed making the debate that Foster is the PoY if he could have McGruder'd Baylor on Saturday and we finished 3rd - the All B12 teams clearly prove he is the MVP of this league.
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I would of really enjoyed making the debate that Foster is the PoY if he could have McGruder'd Baylor on Saturday and we finished 3rd - the All B12 teams clearly prove he is the MVP of this league.
and we would have enjoyed laughing at you, using that logic what does that make Jonathan Holmes, the Wooden winner?
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In a world where Marcus Smart doesn't get suspended, does he win POTY?
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In a world where Marcus Smart doesn't get suspended, does he win POTY?
I don't think so. They started losing before the suspension and he had issues before like the flopping and his behavior during the WVU game. He certainly wouldn't have won the media award and enough coaches (Self, Weber, Hoiberg) hinted at issues they had with Smart before the suspension as well.
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I would of really enjoyed making the debate that Foster is the PoY if he could have McGruder'd Baylor on Saturday and we finished 3rd - the All B12 teams clearly prove he is the MVP of this league.
and we would have enjoyed laughing at you, using that logic what does that make Jonathan Holmes, the Wooden winner?
:love: Holmes' game - he is a thick Jamar
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This was a weird year for POY. The league as a whole was very good with a lot of really good players, but nobody really stood out as head and shoulders above the rest. Wiggins was hurt by his hype. I think he probably would have won it if the expectations hadn't been so high. When he struggled with some inconsistency early on he lost some potential votes right there. I think Embiid coming on the way he did during B12 play also took away from Wiggins because it made some look at it as a sort of 2 headed monster leading KU.
I think the voting still might have swung in Wiggins favor if the timing of each's "big game" where reversed. Ejim's came mid-conference which meant it had a lot of time to sit in voters minds and improve his stock in their eyes. With Wiggins' coming so late most of the voters had probably already made up their minds and barely noticed it in relation to the POY.
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Wiggins on the road vs the 6 teams that will be in the NCAA tourney = 24-78 FGs. That is 30.7% (33.9 eFG) Had 21 TOs and made 24 FGs. 13.0 pt ave
I realize those 6 games are only 1/3 of the conf games, but road games vs tourney teams are important games and he did not perform well at all.
For comparison, Ejim in his 6 games on the road vs Big 12 tourney teams = 19.0 pts, 10.3 reb, 42-88 FGs. That's 47.7% (52.8 eFG)
I am not one who is gonna give the POY to the best player on the best team. I don't think it was a slam dunk that Ejim should have won, but IMO yes he should have won it and glad the coaches and AP agreed with me
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I generally go back to per 100s. Here is Wiggins vs Ejim:
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_Fan, can you do that 100's thingy but then adjust for wiggins playing for KU and having a bunch of talented guys around him that don't let him score?
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_Fan, can you do that 100's thingy but then adjust for wiggins playing for KU and having a bunch of talented guys around him that don't let him score?
Wiggins took a higher % of his team's FGAs and FTAs than Ejim.
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who won POY in 06-07?
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who won POY in 06-07?
Acie Law
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i think embiid was poy. that's just eye-test tho, no clue on stats.
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who won POY in 06-07?
Acie Law
woof, Cartier was screwed
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2017-18 All-Big 12 Team
(As selected conference coaches; unanimous selection)
Player of the Year - Devonte' Graham, Kansas (Sr., G)
Defensive Player of the Year - Javon Carter, West Virginia (Sr., G)
Newcomer of the Year - Malik Newman, Kansas (R-So., G)
Freshman of the Year - Trae Young, Oklahoma (Fr., G)
Sixth Man Award - Terry Maston, Baylor (Sr., F)
co-Coach of the Year - Bill Self, Kansas; Chris Beard, Texas Tech
All-Big 12 First Team
Devonte' Graham, Kansas (Sr., G)
Claws, Kansas State (Jr., F)
Trae Young, Oklahoma (Fr., G)
Keenan Evans, Texas Tech (Sr., G)
Jevon Carter, West Virginia (Sr., G)
All-Big 12 Second Team
Manu Lecomte, Baylor (Sr., G)
Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk, Kansas (Sr., G)
The Flush Jr., Kansas State (Jr., G)
Kenrich Williams, TCU (Sr., F)
Mohamba Bamba, Texas (Fr., F)
All-Big 12 Third Team
Jo Lual-Acuil Jr., Baylor (Sr., C)
Udoka Azubuike, Kansas (So., C)
Jeffrey Carroll, Oklahoma State (Sr., G)
Vladimir Brodziansky, TCU (Sr., F)
Sagaba Konate, West Virginia (So., F)
All-Big 12 Honorable Mention
Cameron Lard (Iowa State), Donovan Jackson (Iowa State), Lindell Wigginton (Iowa State), Lagerald Vick (Kansas), Matt Coleman (Texas), Dylan Osetkowski (Texas), Kerwin Roach II (Texas), Zhaire Smith (Texas Tech)
Big 12 All-Defensive Team
The Flush Jr., Kansas State (Jr., G)
Mohamba Bamba, Texas (Fr., F)
Sagaba Konate, West Virginia (So., F)
Jevon Carter, West Virginia (Sr., G)
Zhaire Smith, Texas Tech (Fr., G)
Big 12 All-Newcomer Team
Lindell Wigginton, Iowa State (Fr., G)
Malik Newman, Kansas (R-So., G)
Trae Young, Oklahoma (Fr., G)
Mohamed Bamba, Texas (Fr., F)
Zhaire Smith, Texas Tech (Fr., G)
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The Devonte Graham POY thing is interesting because he absolutely won it simply because Keenan Evans had a turf toe flare up for 4 games.
I can't remember the last time that award was given by default.
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wade only non-unanimous first teamer
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readable version
http://www.big12sports.com/pdf9/5468971.pdf
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Also that third team is wack, they should mandate that there's either three or four guards on each team. They should have a ballot with blanks that says
G
G
G
G/F
F
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I'm kind of surprised Lecomte made 2nd team. I would have been fine with either Brodz/Konate on 2nd, with Lecomte on 3rd.
If we had 3 guards on 3rd team, I would add Zhaire Smith and bounce Lual-Acuil
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Also that third team is wack, they should mandate that there's either three or four guards on each team. They should have a ballot with blanks that says
G
G
G
G/F
F
Why? What's wrong just giving it to the best 15 players?
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Also that third team is wack, they should mandate that there's either three or four guards on each team. They should have a ballot with blanks that says
G
G
G
G/F
F
Why? What's wrong just giving it to the best 15 players?
Yeah, I've got no problem with that. They aren't making line ups, they are awarding the best 15 guys.
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From the Wichita Eagle:
"Wade, a junior Kansas State forward, earned All-Big 12 first-team honors Sunday coming off a breakthrough regular season in which he averaged 16.7 points and 6.4 rebounds. He was the Wildcats’ most consistent player this year and has reached double figues in 19 straight games.
He is K-State’s first basketball player to make the all-conference first team since Rodney McGruder in 2013. Michael Beasley and Jacob Pullen are the only other former K-State players that have made the All-Big 12 first team."
That's shocking that Wade makes only the 4th Cat Player named to B12 1st teams. Love Claws. He has worked hard to get to this point of development. Kind of like Iwandu. Those two dunks yesterday from Wade were awesome.
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I agree with all the awards this year.
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It's weird that in a year ESPN slobbered over Young that the league had such an absence of star power that a mediocre talent like Graham was POV.
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Also that third team is wack, they should mandate that there's either three or four guards on each team. They should have a ballot with blanks that says
G
G
G
G/F
F
Why? What's wrong just giving it to the best 15 players?
Because it's supposedly a "team," that's the construct. If you had a lineup of that third team, while talented as hell, they'd get run. College basketball is the only team sports entity that names an all_____team and doesn't make it position specific. All-NBA is position specific. When I played high school basketball those were position specific as well, maybe that's changed.
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Yeah I guess I don't think it matters for college. It isn't like they're getting a bonus like they would in the NBA.
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Also that third team is wack, they should mandate that there's either three or four guards on each team. They should have a ballot with blanks that says
G
G
G
G/F
F
Why? What's wrong just giving it to the best 15 players?
Because it's supposedly a "team," that's the construct. If you had a lineup of that third team, while talented as hell, they'd get run. College basketball is the only team sports entity that names an all_____team and doesn't make it position specific. All-NBA is position specific. When I played high school basketball those were position specific as well, maybe that's changed.
Its not position specific for the Centennial League. They even had 6 players on both the first and second team last year.
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i don't think they should pick 15 guards and wings, but as long as they have roughly proportional numbers of guards and bigs, i don't think it matters if they load one group or another into 1st, 2nd or 3rd teams.
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Call me a Homer if you want, but I legit cannot believe Sags is only a 3rd team guy. Yeah, he made All-Defense, but he affects the whole game when he's on the floor.
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Who on the first two teams would you replace for him?
Also I didn't realize Alex Robinson didn't even get honorable mention, he definitely should have been on the third team in lieu of the 16 bigs on that team.
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Who on the first two teams would you replace for him?
Also I didn't realize Alex Robinson didn't even get honorable mention, he definitely should have been on the third team in lieu of the 16 bigs on that team.
I think it's partially the convo you all are already having with all the guards on 1st Team. 2nd team would be believable, I guess, as the bigs ahead of him have definitely done more offensively. Just striking to see him stuck down on the 3rd team with what I witnessed him do so often this year.
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didn't know where exactly to put this, but i found the current kenpom PoY standings interesting, based on his own description of the kpoy.
It’s also important that the player is contributing to some sort of team success. This where the more subjective part comes into play, and I have thrown in a dash of team strength based on my ratings. OK, more than a dash. We don’t want Vlad Moldoveanu winning this thing! There’s enough team influence such that it’s hard to win the award if your team is not in the top ten and nearly impossible if it’s not in the top 20.
current standings:
Player kPOY Rating
1 Trae Young, Oklahoma #47
6-2 · 180 · Fr · Norman, OK 1.492
2 Marvin Bagley, Duke #3
6-11 · 234 · Fr · Phoenix, AZ 1.446
3 Jock Landale, Saint Mary's #28
6-11 · 255 · Sr · East Malvern, Australia 1.442
4 Jalen Brunson, Villanova #1
6-2 · 190 · Jr · Lincolnshire, IL 1.389
5 Deandre Ayton, Arizona #21
7-1 · 260 · Fr · Nassau, Bahamas 1.358
6 Keita Bates-Diop, Ohio St. #15
6-7 · 235 · Jr · Normal, IL 1.331
7 Mikal Bridges, Villanova #2
6-7 · 210 · Jr · Malvern, PA 1.304
8 Ethan Happ, Wisconsin #74
6-10 · 235 · Jr · Milan, IL 1.266
9 Luke Maye, North Carolina #7
6-8 · 240 · Jr · Huntersville, NC 1.231
10 Carsen Edwards, Purdue #5
6-1 · 200 · So · Atascocita, TX 1.210
either k pom tweaked the formula or Trae is even better than i thought
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his usage + assists are unreal.
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dean and barry will probably be the only big 12 first/second team players returning :surprised:
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who says wade is returning
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who says he's leaving
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Who on the first two teams would you replace for him?
Also I didn't realize Alex Robinson didn't even get honorable mention, he definitely should have been on the third team in lieu of the 16 bigs on that team.
I think it's partially the convo you all are already having with all the guards on 1st Team. 2nd team would be believable, I guess, as the bigs ahead of him have definitely done more offensively. Just striking to see him stuck down on the 3rd team with what I witnessed him do so often this year.
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Sags, 2nd team. Too impactful for the third team. I'd move any of the three guards off the 2nd team and onto the 3rd team.