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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: Stevesie60 on March 02, 2014, 02:40:07 AM
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This is a talking point that has come up multiple times recently (mostly by my doing, but because of PurpleBear's inspiration)
So I think everyone would agree Pullen, Walker and Beasley are on this team, and if you doing then you should leave this thread now.
But one of the main talking points is McGruder vs. Cartier. And the main talking point has been do you put Foster at the 2 and move Pullen to the 1? Or do you put Foster at the 3 and make room for Denis? I think think this is a great question. And there's little doubt in my mind that by the time Foster is a senior that you have to figure out who to put on this team. So let me go ahead and cast my line-up:
Denis, Jake, Foster, Walker, Beasely
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#teamcartier
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didn't we agree that the best ever would be:
1 jake
2 gruds
3 cartier
4 walker
5 beaz
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didn't we agree that the best ever would be:
1 jake
2 gruds
3 cartier
4 walker
5 beaz
I did not agree to that, no.
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Jake
Denis
Cartier
Henry
Mike
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1. Denis
2. Pullen
3. McGruder
4. Cartier
5. Beasley
Super Sub 1 - Walker
Super sub 2 - Foster
Super Sub 3 - Kelly
Super Sub 4 - Darren Kent (okay kidding here)
8 man rotation is fine with me. If I had to go with a 10 man lineup, I would include Hoskins and Angel.
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I def have JO in my rotation.
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Denis Jake Bill Mike Curt.
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I absolutely loved the way Hoskins played in 2007 and was absolutely crushed that his knee got hurt and he could not play with Mike and Bill in 2008. I just don't have the heart to leave him off the team. I would take a 2007 Hoskins any time, anywhere. Ever since then whenever I shoot baskets at the rec or anywhere else I pretend that I am Hoskins making game-winners left and right.
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Foster WILL be on the list by the time he's done.
Here is my list of per 100s for K-State players going back to 2001 (http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=29917.msg1042757#msg1042757) (2013-14 season numbers aren't current).
Pullen, Martin, Beasley, JO are definites to me right now. Then its between guys like Walker, Angel, Rod, and even Gip for the 5th spot.
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Denis Jake Bill Mike Curt.
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Foster WILL be on the list by the time he's done.
Here is my list of per 100s for K-State players going back to 2001 (http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=29917.msg1042757#msg1042757) (2013-14 season numbers aren't current).
Pullen, Martin, Beasley, JO are definites to me right now. Then its between guys like Walker, Angel, Rod, and even Gip for the 5th spot.
If you are going back to 2001, wouldn't you pick Jeremiah Massey over JO? He was 4th in points per 100. (Well 5th if you count Jake twice.)
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Foster WILL be on the list by the time he's done.
Here is my list of per 100s for K-State players going back to 2001 (http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=29917.msg1042757#msg1042757) (2013-14 season numbers aren't current).
Pullen, Martin, Beasley, JO are definites to me right now. Then its between guys like Walker, Angel, Rod, and even Gip for the 5th spot.
If you are going back to 2001, wouldn't you pick Jeremiah Massey over JO? He was 4th in points per 100. (Well 5th if you count Jake twice.)
Yes, Massey should probably be on my to be considered list. JO's numbers for boarding and blocking shots were ridiculous and consistent, its hard for me not to appreciate that.
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Denis
Jake
Rod
Bill
Mike
2nd 5
Angel
Cartier
Jamar
Curt
JO
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I leave Denis off my list.
Pullen
McGruder
Cartier
Walker
Beasley
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Denis
Jake
Rod
Bill
Mike
2nd 5
Angel
Cartier
Jamar
Curt
JO
No Hoskins even on 2nd team??? :horrorsurprise: :curse:
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Could a team ever score against a 5 of Angel, Jake, Rod, Curt and JO? Most likely no
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Alright, who ya got?
Team A
1 Jacob Pullen
2 Rodney McGruder
3 Jamar Samuels
4 Bill Walker
5 Jordan Henriquez
b Angel Rodriguez
b David Hoskins
Team B
1 Denis Clemente
2 Marcus Foster
3 Cartier Martin
4 Michael Beasley
5 Curtis Kelly
b Dominique Sutton
b Wally Judge
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Alright, who ya got?
Team A
1 Jacob Pullen
2 Rodney McGruder
3 Jamar Samuels
4 Bill Walker
5 Jordan Henriquez
b Angel Rodriguez
b David Hoskins
Team B
1 Denis Clemente
2 Marcus Foster
3 Cartier Martin
4 Michael Beasley
5 Curtis Kelly
b Dominique Sutton
b Wally Judge
Not bad. I honestly think Gip deserves consideration. I'd put him ahead of Judge and Sutton.
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Alright, who ya got?
Team A
1 Jacob Pullen
2 Rodney McGruder
3 Jamar Samuels
4 Bill Walker
5 Jordan Henriquez
b Angel Rodriguez
b David Hoskins
Team B
1 Denis Clemente
2 Marcus Foster
3 Cartier Martin
4 Michael Beasley
5 Curtis Kelly
b Dominique Sutton
b Wally Judge
Not bad. I honestly think Gip deserves consideration. I'd put him ahead of Judge and Sutton.
But... like... who ya got?
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Alright, who ya got?
Team A
1 Jacob Pullen
2 Rodney McGruder
3 Jamar Samuels
4 Bill Walker
5 Jordan Henriquez
b Angel Rodriguez
b David Hoskins
Team B
1 Denis Clemente
2 Marcus Foster
3 Cartier Martin
4 Michael Beasley
5 Curtis Kelly
b Dominique Sutton
b Wally Judge
Not bad. I honestly think Gip deserves consideration. I'd put him ahead of Judge and Sutton.
yes, better mid=range jump shot, and a year to play.
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Team B.
Beasley, even on that list of players, is still a man among boys.
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Alright, who ya got?
Team A
1 Jacob Pullen
2 Rodney McGruder
3 Jamar Samuels
4 Bill Walker
5 Jordan Henriquez
b Angel Rodriguez
b David Hoskins
Team B
1 Denis Clemente
2 Marcus Foster
3 Cartier Martin
4 Michael Beasley
5 Curtis Kelly
b Dominique Sutton
b Wally Judge
Not bad. I honestly think Gip deserves consideration. I'd put him ahead of Judge and Sutton.
yes, better mid=range jump shot, and a year to play.
The progress he's made in 2 offseasons, the beard, the maturity. I keep forgetting he's only a junior. Yeah, my updated roster would have Gip over Wally.
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Denis
Jake
Marcus
Bill
Mike
Sorry, ck
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1. Denis
2. Pullen
3. McGruder
4. Cartier
5. Beasley
This is my five too. Not sure why S60 is so convinced that BW is no-brainer on this team over Cartier. Apparently guys who scored 1500 points and shot 40% from 3 for their career are not welcomeon this list :dunno:
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Alright, who ya got?
Team A
1 Jacob Pullen
2 Rodney McGruder
3 Jamar Samuels
4 Bill Walker
5 Jordan Henriquez
b Angel Rodriguez
b David Hoskins
Team B
1 Denis Clemente
2 Marcus Foster
3 Cartier Martin
4 Michael Beasley
5 Curtis Kelly
b Dominique Sutton
b Wally Judge
Team A. When in doubt always pick the team with the best player - Jake.
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1. Denis
2. Pullen
3. McGruder
4. Cartier
5. Beasley
This is my five too. Not sure why S60 is so convinced that BW is no-brainer on this team over Cartier. Apparently guys who scored 1500 points and shot 40% from 3 for their career are not welcomeon this list :dunno:
:lol:
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Team A. When in doubt always pick the team with the best player - Jake.
Really?
I mean, I love Jake, but Beasley was unreal in his abilities. Unstoppable really with his combo of size, shooting, skills.
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real question does Louis deserve mention in this convo?
also if Jamar gets a mention how does Lance not?
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real question does Louis deserve mention in this convo?
also if Jamar gets a mention how does Lance not?
No.
Jamar and Lance were nice players, but neither is really Top 10 in this 10-15ish year era. JMHO.
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Denis
Jake
Rod
Cartier
Beasley
Any list that doesn't include Cartier in the starting 5 can GTFO. #TeamCartier
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I still can't believe someone thinks Beasley isn't the best player we've ever had. Its not really even close. JMHO.
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I still can't believe someone thinks Beasley isn't the best player we've ever had. Its not really even close.
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I would take Jamar over Hoskins
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I still can't believe someone thinks Beasley isn't the best player we've ever had. Its not really even close.
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I absolutely loved the way Hoskins played in 2007 and was absolutely crushed that his knee got hurt and he could not play with Mike and Bill in 2008. I just don't have the heart to leave him off the team. I would take a 2007 Hoskins any time, anywhere. Ever since then whenever I shoot baskets at the rec or anywhere else I pretend that I am Hoskins making game-winners left and right.
Totally agree. We would have been AMAZING in 2008 if Hoskins hadn't gotten hurt.
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Team A. When in doubt always pick the team with the best player - Jake.
Really?
I mean, I love Jake, but Beasley was unreal in his abilities. Unstoppable really with his combo of size, shooting, skills.
Mike filled up the stat sheet, but Jake put teams on his back. Down 1 with :20 seconds left... Who would you rather have the ball?
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Team A. When in doubt always pick the team with the best player - Jake.
Really?
I mean, I love Jake, but Beasley was unreal in his abilities. Unstoppable really with his combo of size, shooting, skills.
Mike filled up the stat sheet, but Jake put teams on his back. Down 1 with :20 seconds left... Who would you rather have the ball?
Beaz and it's not even close.
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Are we restricted to right now or can we do projections? Because if we are talking about this today, I would say Denis, Jake, Cartier, Walker, and Beasley. However, if we can have Marcus Foster circa 2016 or 2017, I would probably put him at the 2 and bump Jake to the 1.
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team beas being the best player
team cartier over bill and rod
team jake being the 2nd best player and the one i loved the most
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Denis
Jake
Rod
Bill
B Easy
Cartier and Curt off the bench.
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Team A. When in doubt always pick the team with the best player - Jake.
Really?
I mean, I love Jake, but Beasley was unreal in his abilities. Unstoppable really with his combo of size, shooting, skills.
Mike filled up the stat sheet, but Jake put teams on his back. Down 1 with :20 seconds left... Who would you rather have the ball?
Beaz and it's not even close.
easily
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Team A. When in doubt always pick the team with the best player - Jake.
Really?
I mean, I love Jake, but Beasley was unreal in his abilities. Unstoppable really with his combo of size, shooting, skills.
Mike filled up the stat sheet, but Jake put teams on his back. Down 1 with :20 seconds left... Who would you rather have the ball?
Beaz and it's not even close.
Yeah, not even close. At all.
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Team A. When in doubt always pick the team with the best player - Jake.
Really?
I mean, I love Jake, but Beasley was unreal in his abilities. Unstoppable really with his combo of size, shooting, skills.
Mike filled up the stat sheet, but Jake put teams on his back. Down 1 with :20 seconds left... Who would you rather have the ball?
Beaz and it's not even close.
Yeah, not even close. At all.
i would want jake dishing to beas
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Team A. When in doubt always pick the team with the best player - Jake.
Really?
I mean, I love Jake, but Beasley was unreal in his abilities. Unstoppable really with his combo of size, shooting, skills.
Mike filled up the stat sheet, but Jake put teams on his back. Down 1 with :20 seconds left... Who would you rather have the ball?
Beaz and it's not even close.
Yeah, not even close. At all.
i would want jake dishing to beas
well, yeah
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you guys sound like a bunch of nerds
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Pullen, McGruder, Martin, Walker, Beasley
Would have Massey in there but 2006..
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I can tell that I'm alone on the Jake > Mike argument. Just saying that I value a four year career and countless big shots in big games over one one year of filling up the boxscore.
#TeamJacob :D
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I can tell that I'm alone on the Jake > Mike argument. Just saying that I value a four year career and countless big shots in big games over one one year of filling up the boxscore.
#TeamJacob :D
Did you watch Beasley play when he was at K-State? tia
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Michael Beasley (26.2 PPG, 12.4 RPG, 53.2 FG%) was the best college basketball player since 2000 in my opinion. I'd put Durant at 2 (25.8 PPG, 11.1 RPG, 47.3 FG%), and Stephen Curry a somewhat distant 3 (25.3 PPG, 46.6 FG%, 87.5 FT%)...no one else is even close.
So, if you think anyone else who ever played at KSU is anywhere close to Beasley, then I think you are a rough ridin' fool.
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team cartier over bill and rod
this team confuses the F out of me. I can wrap my mind around Jake over Beaz because some people think with their hearts and their hearts are dumb, but Cartier isn't even in the same gym as Bill or Rod.
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team cartier over bill and rod
this team confuses the F out of me. I can wrap my mind around Jake over Beaz because some people think with their hearts and their hearts are dumb, but Cartier isn't even in the same gym as Bill or Rod.
Cartier > Rod (not Bill)
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Alright, who ya got?
Team A
1 Jacob Pullen
2 Rodney McGruder
3 Jamar Samuels
4 Bill Walker
5 Jordan Henriquez
b Angel Rodriguez
b David Hoskins
Team B
1 Denis Clemente
2 Marcus Foster
3 Cartier Martin
4 Michael Beasley
5 Curtis Kelly
b Dominique Sutton
b Wally Judge
B in a landslide
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Michael Beasley is the best college basketball player I have ever watched. Glen Robinson, Danny Manning, and Kevin Durant are right there. But, Mike is the best I have ever watched.
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I can tell that I'm alone on the Jake > Mike argument. Just saying that I value a four year career and countless big shots in big games over one one year of filling up the boxscore.
#TeamJacob :D
Did you watch Beasley play when he was at K-State? tia
I watched all 33 games that year, including the 12 we lost. Statistically better, but not the guy I'd want with the ball with the game on the line.
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I can tell that I'm alone on the Jake > Mike argument. Just saying that I value a four year career and countless big shots in big games over one one year of filling up the boxscore.
#TeamJacob :D
I totally understand loving Jake more and appreciating his career at K-State more than Mike's (Not saying this is me) but B-Easy...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGV_wGpupbM
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I watched all 33 games that year, including the 12 we lost. Statistically better, but not the guy I'd want with the ball with the game on the line.
Why wouldn't you want someone who made almost everything he looked at within 20 feet? And, if he did miss, he's going to get his own put back?
Jesus, they guy was the deadliest shooter who has ever played on that floor.
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I absolutely loved the way Hoskins played in 2007 and was absolutely crushed that his knee got hurt and he could not play with Mike and Bill in 2008. I just don't have the heart to leave him off the team. I would take a 2007 Hoskins any time, anywhere. Ever since then whenever I shoot baskets at the rec or anywhere else I pretend that I am Hoskins making game-winners left and right.
Totally agree. We would have been AMAZING in 2008 if Hoskins hadn't gotten hurt.
Heartbreaking. Had he been cleared to play he would be in the conversation for top 10 all-time. His assist numbers would have been through the roof with his ability to drive and dish/feed from the high post having Bill and Mike there for wraparounds/oops. He would have slotted nicely at the 3 having those two there as well, and wouldn't have been completely undersized against every opponent he faced. That's a top 5 what-might-have-been moment alongside Merriwether's foul at the end of the Xavier game. I still genuinely believe we could have had ourselves a NC that year if we weren't dead against Butler. Just a bunch of JMHOs for ya.
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I can tell that I'm alone on the Jake > Mike argument. Just saying that I value a four year career and countless big shots in big games over one one year of filling up the boxscore.
#TeamJacob :D
Did you watch Beasley play when he was at K-State? tia
I watched all 33 games that year, including the 12 we lost. Statistically better, but not the guy I'd want with the ball with the game on the line.
I don't think you remember them really well if you think anyone has ever played in a KSU Cat jersey is better than Beaz. It's okay it was a while ago.
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I can tell that I'm alone on the Jake > Mike argument. Just saying that I value a four year career and countless big shots in big games over one one year of filling up the boxscore.
#TeamJacob :D
I totally understand loving Jake more and appreciating his career at K-State more than Mike's (Not saying this is me) but B-Easy...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGV_wGpupbM
Agreed. Two completely different conversations.
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I can tell that I'm alone on the Jake > Mike argument. Just saying that I value a four year career and countless big shots in big games over one one year of filling up the boxscore.
#TeamJacob :D
Did you watch Beasley play when he was at K-State? tia
I watched all 33 games that year, including the 12 we lost. Statistically better, but not the guy I'd want with the ball with the game on the line.
"Okay, dumbass"
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmellinger.kansascity.com%2Fmedia%2Fmellinger%2Fimg%2Fblogs%2FMichael_Beasley-3_jpeg_330x330_q85.jpg&hash=78cee67983fcb2bf92f02262f77bcd63c7336c1c)
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If we need a bucket, there's no one in the history of Kansas State Purple Cats University Basketball that I would rather have the ball than B-Easy.
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Beasley is the best player I have ever watched in a K-State uniform, and will likely be the best player I ever see in a K-State uniform in my life. His offensive efficiency and rebounding are like video game numbers. If he hadn't been on a total transition team with little real experience around him or had stayed for a 2nd season he would've led K-State to a Final 4. I'm convinced of that.
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(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fl.yimg.com%2Fa%2Fp%2Fsp%2Ftools%2Fmed%2F2010%2F03%2Fipt%2F1269584657.jpg&hash=ce8cbbeee87382303f58e6976f4e8d3a837961a7)
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Beasley is the best player I have ever watched in a K-State uniform, and will likely be the best player I ever see in a K-State uniform in my life. His offensive efficiency and rebounding are like video game numbers. If he hadn't been on a total transition team with little real experience around him or had stayed for a 2nd season he would've led K-State to a Final 4. I'm convinced of that.
This makes my heart weep.
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If we need a bucket, there's no one in the history of Kansas State Purple Cats University Basketball that I would rather have the ball than B-Easy.
I recall Mike making one game winner in 07-08... It was a layup at OU that my guy Jake created.
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If we need a bucket, there's no one in the history of Kansas State Purple Cats University Basketball that I would rather have the ball than B-Easy.
I recall Mike making one game winner in 07-08... It was a layup at OU that my guy Jake created.
Yes, but Jake was on the best K-State TEAM of my lifetime. He was a big part, but he had really good (and experienced) players around him. Beasley did not.
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I'm putting the team together based on what I'd want to do/see and not necessarily who was best.
Angel
Pullen
McGruder
Beasley
JO
Bench:
Denis
Foster
Walker
Cartier
Gipson
Final three on the roster: Kelly, Hoskins, Sleeveless Will (not sleeved Will)
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Michael Beasley (26.2 PPG, 12.4 RPG, 53.2 FG%) was the best college basketball player since 2000 in my opinion. I'd put Durant at 2 (25.8 PPG, 11.1 RPG, 47.3 FG%), and Stephen Curry a somewhat distant 3 (25.3 PPG, 46.6 FG%, 87.5 FT%)...no one else is even close.
So, if you think anyone else who ever played at KSU is anywhere close to Beasley, then I think you are a rough ridin' fool.
I had forgotten just how ridiculous his numbers were, especially his rebounding numbers.
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Tough to include Bill but say Foster hasn't done enough yet. (Smart folks include both)
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=bill-walker&i=1&p1=marcus-foster
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If we need a bucket, there's no one in the history of Kansas State Purple Cats University Basketball that I would rather have the ball than B-Easy.
I recall Mike making one game winner in 07-08... It was a layup at OU that my guy Jake created.
Yes, but Jake was on the best K-State TEAM of my lifetime. He was a big part, but he had really good (and experienced) players around him. Beasley did not.
He didn't his senior year. That 10-11 team had several underclassmen playing a lot of minutes.
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Michael Beasley (26.2 PPG, 12.4 RPG, 53.2 FG%) was the best college basketball player since 2000 in my opinion. I'd put Durant at 2 (25.8 PPG, 11.1 RPG, 47.3 FG%), and Stephen Curry a somewhat distant 3 (25.3 PPG, 46.6 FG%, 87.5 FT%)...no one else is even close.
So, if you think anyone else who ever played at KSU is anywhere close to Beasley, then I think you are a rough ridin' fool.
I had forgotten just how ridiculous his numbers were, especially his rebounding numbers.
Remember when he broke the K-State rebounds record in his first game as a Cat? Good times.
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Team A
1 Jacob Pullen
B in a landslide
:lol:
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If we need a bucket, there's no one in the history of Kansas State Purple Cats University Basketball that I would rather have the ball than B-Easy.
I recall Mike making one game winner in 07-08... It was a layup at OU that my guy Jake created.
Yes, but Jake was on the best K-State TEAM of my lifetime. He was a big part, but he had really good (and experienced) players around him. Beasley did not.
He didn't his senior year. That 10-11 team had several underclassmen playing a lot of minutes.
No one agrees with you and you are making terrible arguments
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If we need a bucket, there's no one in the history of Kansas State Purple Cats University Basketball that I would rather have the ball than B-Easy.
I recall Mike making one game winner in 07-08... It was a layup at OU that my guy Jake created.
Yes, but Jake was on the best K-State TEAM of my lifetime. He was a big part, but he had really good (and experienced) players around him. Beasley did not.
He didn't his senior year. That 10-11 team had several underclassmen playing a lot of minutes.
Yeah, and they lost in the 2nd round to Wisconsin. Like Beasley.
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Team A
1 Jacob Pullen
B in a landslide
:lol:
Team B
4 Michael Beasley
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If we need a bucket, there's no one in the history of Kansas State Purple Cats University Basketball that I would rather have the ball than B-Easy.
I recall Mike making one game winner in 07-08... It was a layup at OU that my guy Jake created.
Yes, but Jake was on the best K-State TEAM of my lifetime. He was a big part, but he had really good (and experienced) players around him. Beasley did not.
He didn't his senior year. That 10-11 team had several underclassmen playing a lot of minutes.
No one agrees with you and you are making terrible arguments
:thumbsup:
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Jake is my favorite Wildcat of all time. Anyone that would pick him ahead of Beas is rough ridin' high tho.
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Foster is really impressive since he is the pretty clear option #1 on this team:
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=rodney-mcgruder&i=1&p1=marcus-foster&p2=bill-walker
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Foster is really impressive since he is the pretty clear option #1 on this team:
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=rodney-mcgruder&i=1&p1=marcus-foster&p2=bill-walker
Good comparisons. Foster has been great.
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Jake carried Frank for 4 years too. That has to be worth something, right?
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Jake carried Frank for 4 years too. That has to be worth something, right?
Yes but he's not better than Beasley. Just stop.
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TownieCat is putting up a fight when most people would of bowed out. I got respect.
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Foster is really impressive since he is the pretty clear option #1 on this team:
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=rodney-mcgruder&i=1&p1=marcus-foster&p2=bill-walker
Good comparisons. Foster has been great.
check it out when you add cartier. this is why im team cartier>bill and rod
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Bill was playing with the best player ever to put on a KSU Cat jersey and still got his and was awesome. Cartier was the best guy on some not good teams.
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TownieCat is putting up a fight when most people would of bowed out. I got respect.
I have no respect for people that confidently cling to terrible, stupid arguments. I mean, do you respect Fred Phelps for putting up a fight when most would have given up? Townie Cat is the Fred Phelps of the All KState Team since 2006 selectors.
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TownieCat is putting up a fight when most people would of bowed out. I got respect.
I have no respect for people that confidently cling to terrible, stupid arguments. I mean, do you respect Fred Phelps for putting up a fight? Townie Cat is the Fred Phelps of the All KState Team since 2006 selectors.
hmm never thought of it like this. sorry no more respect TownieCat in no circumstances can I have respect for the Fred Phelps of anything.
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TownieCat is putting up a fight when most people would of bowed out. I got respect.
I have no respect for people that confidently cling to terrible, stupid arguments. I mean, do you respect Fred Phelps for putting up a fight when most would have given up? Townie Cat is the Fred Phelps of the All KState Team since 2006 selectors.
Agree to disagree on the Jake vs Mike discussion, but there is no doubt that michigancat has the two worst posts in this thread.
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Bob Boozer 1957,58,59 seasons
44% FG
75.4% FT
10.7 Rpg
21.9 Ppg his career scoring average is 2nd behind Beasley (K-State All time) Only 77 games compared to Pullen's 135
Big 7 Championship in 58
Big 8 Championship in 59
Holiday Tournament Championship in 59 season
Final Four in 58
Regional Final in 59
He attended Kansas State University, where he helped lead the Wildcats to the 1958 Final Four[2] and where he received All-America honors in 1958 and 1959. A versatile 6’ 8” forward, he was selected by the Cincinnati Royals with the first non-territorial pick of the 1959 NBA Draft, but he postponed his NBA career for one year so that he could remain eligible to play in the 1960 Summer Olympics.[3] During that year he played with the Peoria Caterpillars, where he won the National AAU Tournament title and earned MVP honors for the tournament.[4]
He won a gold medal with the Olympic team after they won eight games by an average of 42.4 points. The team was inducted into the Basketball Hall of Fame in 2010.[3][5]
:ksu:
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Bob Boozer 1957,58,59 seasons
44% FG
75.4% FT
10.7 Rpg
21.9 Ppg his career scoring average is 2nd behind Beasley (K-State All time) Only 77 games compared to Pullen's 135
Big 7 Championship in 58
Big 8 Championship in 59
Holiday Tournament Championship in 59 season
Final Four in 58
Regional Final in 59
He attended Kansas State University, where he helped lead the Wildcats to the 1958 Final Four[2] and where he received All-America honors in 1958 and 1959. A versatile 6’ 8” forward, he was selected by the Cincinnati Royals with the first non-territorial pick of the 1959 NBA Draft, but he postponed his NBA career for one year so that he could remain eligible to play in the 1960 Summer Olympics.[3] During that year he played with the Peoria Caterpillars, where he won the National AAU Tournament title and earned MVP honors for the tournament.[4]
He won a gold medal with the Olympic team after they won eight games by an average of 42.4 points. The team was inducted into the Basketball Hall of Fame in 2010.[3][5]
:ksu:
Read the thread title.
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I guess it depends on what you are looking for. Do we want the five greatest KSU Cats? The five that would win the most games? Are they the same guys? I don't think so, and I'll go with the second option.
PF: Michael Beasley - He's the best, take any 5 you want and replace one guy with Mike and you get a better five.
F: Bill Walker - Henry gets discounted, because of Beasley, but he was a monster. Played harder than he got credit for and was a good inside/ out scorer and rebounder.
G/F: Rodney McGruder - Defender, great rebounder for his size, you wouldn't need to run plays for Rodney on this team and he would still clean up and get his own.
G: Jacob Pullen - You can't have this team w/ out Jake. Scorer, defender, soul of the team. A fearless leader.
G: Angel Rodriguez - Too bad we won't get to see Angel in top form as a Cat. Still, with a team that can fill it up like this one we need a guy who can distribute and Angel is better, imo, than Denis. Also a better defender. Cats really haven't had the best run of PGs, probably what kept us as good instead of great.
Bench:
Denis
Curt
Cartier
Hoskins
JO
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Foster will be there eventually.
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team denis>angel every day of the week
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team denis>angel every day of the week
Yes, absolutely
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TownieCat is putting up a fight when most people would of bowed out. I got respect.
I have no respect for people that confidently cling to terrible, stupid arguments. I mean, do you respect Fred Phelps for putting up a fight when most would have given up? Townie Cat is the Fred Phelps of the All KState Team since 2006 selectors.
lol
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It amazes me how much people have forgotten about Beasley and Walker. In 07-08, we had the best player in college basketball, and most of the time we had the top 2 players on the court. They were truly remarkable talents, especially considering Walker had knee issues.
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team denis>angel every day of the week
Yes, absolutely
I cling to that stretch of games last year where Angel was playing at an unreal level.
Not that Denis wasn't very, very good, but that ten game stretch (or whatever it was) of Angel's was amazing.
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michigancat made a great point regarding Walker. Marcus is having a better year than Walker did, albeit with less amazing dunks, yet most are content leaving Marcus off their list. So I'd say Jake and Beas are the only locks.
Also, TownieCat, what in the world?
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Yeah, I'm moving Marcus up to 2nd team
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michigancat made a great point regarding Walker. Marcus is having a better year than Walker did, albeit with less amazing dunks, yet most are content leaving Marcus off their list. So I'd say Jake and Beas are the only locks.
Also, TownieCat, what in the world?
I think several have misinterpreted my argument for Jake being #1 as me not valuing what Mike did. No one will ever put up numbers like Mike did, but Pullen was a much better leader and winner.
I'm must glad the argument is about who is better between these two as opposed to who is better: Larry Reid or Jeremiah Massey?
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You not saying Mike is clearly the best is absolutely not valuing what Mike did.
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You not saying Mike is clearly the best is absolutely not valuing what Mike did.
I value what Jake did more.
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You not saying Mike is clearly the best is absolutely not valuing what Mike did.
I value what Jake did more.
subjective. We're talking objective.
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Denis
Jake
Rod
Walker
Beasley
Angel
Foster
Cartier
Jamar
Curt
Hoskins
JO
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You not saying Mike is clearly the best is absolutely not valuing what Mike did.
I value what Jake did more.
subjective. We're talking objective.
This entire site is built on subjectivity.
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Jake might be the most loved player on this board, and deservedly so. He's personally my favorite emaw ever, and #retirezero needs to happen ASAP. But he wasn't better than Beasley in damn near every measurable metric.
If we're doing a 12 man roster:
My starting 5:
Pullen
Beasley
McGruder
Clemente
Walker
Bench:
Foster
Hoskins
JO
Martin
Kelly
Angel
Jamar
Gip could replace Jamar if he becomes a true monster next year.
Interesting comparos here:
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=david-hoskins&i=1&p1=thomas-gipson&p2=jamar-samuels&p3=curtis-kelly&p4=cartier-martin&p5=bill-walker (http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=david-hoskins&i=1&p1=thomas-gipson&p2=jamar-samuels&p3=curtis-kelly&p4=cartier-martin&p5=bill-walker)
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These threads always frustrate me. I wish we could see different players from different seasons play together.
And
Pullen
Foster
Denis
Beasley
Curt
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Denis
Jake
McGruder
Walker
Beasley
/thread
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I really don't know how anyone can include McGruder but not Cartier.
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I really don't know how anyone can include McGruder but not Cartier.
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I really don't know how anyone can include McGruder but not Cartier.
cartier is ridiculously underappreciated
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I really don't know how anyone can include McGruder but not Cartier.
Yeah, the more stats get posted the more sure I am that Cartier should be on everyone's team. I feel pretty confident in this line-up now that pretty much everyone I respect has reaffirmed it:
Denis
Jake
Marcus
Cartier
B-Easy
Small line-up because it'd be really, really fun to watch that offense.
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My second team would consist of:
Jason Bennett
Abdul Herrera
Buchi Awaji
Ryan Patzwald
Freddy Asprilla
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I really don't know how anyone can include McGruder but not Cartier.
Yeah, the more stats get posted the more sure I am that Cartier should be on everyone's team. I feel pretty confident in this line-up now that pretty much everyone I respect has reaffirmed it:
Denis
Jake
Marcus
Cartier
B-Easy
Small line-up because it'd be really, really fun to watch that offense.
that's a good line-up
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I'll go:
Clemente
Pullen
Sutton
Kelly
Beasley
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I'll go:
Clemente
Pullen
Sutton
Kelly
Beasley
woof
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I'll go:
Clemente
Pullen
Sutton
Kelly
Beasley
woof
It's definitely not sexy, but I'm going to be able to lock down most teams on the perimeter and I'll rebound well. Thought about trading Cartier for Dom. But I don't know enough about Cartier's defense in college.
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I'll go:
Clemente
Pullen
Sutton
Kelly
Beasley
My team of Denis, Jake, Cartier, Bill, and Mike would beat your team 79 times out of 100.
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I don't rank Cartier as high as some because his teams sucked tons of ass.
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:lol:
Team A. When in doubt always pick the team with the best player - Jake.
Really?
I mean, I love Jake, but Beasley was unreal in his abilities. Unstoppable really with his combo of size, shooting, skills.
Mike filled up the stat sheet, but Jake put teams on his back. Down 1 with :20 seconds left... Who would you rather have the ball?
:lol:
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I don't rank Cartier as high as some because his teams sucked tons of ass.
I thought we determined that doesn't matter.
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PG: Pullen
SG: Cartier
SF:H. William Walker
PF: Beazle
C: Kelly
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I don't rank Cartier as high as some because his teams sucked tons of ass.
I thought we determined that doesn't matter.
I didn't determine crap
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PG: Pullen
SG: Cartier
SF:H. William Walker
PF: Beazle
C: Kelly
:buh-bye:
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PG: Pullen
SG: Cartier
SF:H. William Walker
PF: Beazle
C: Kelly
:buh-bye:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEP0T42-8fE
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PG: Pullen
SG: Cartier
SF:H. William Walker
PF: Beazle
C: Kelly
:buh-bye:
:confused:
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PG: Pullen
SG: Cartier
SF:H. William Walker
PF: Beazle
C: Kelly
:buh-bye:
:confused:
just not high on Cartier. would much rather have Denis at the 1 and Jake at the 2 in my line ups.
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PG: Pullen
SG: Cartier
SF:H. William Walker
PF: Beazle
C: Kelly
:buh-bye:
Yeah, how stupid to have the best shooter since Ski Jones play SG on our imaginary all-star team :facepalm:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PA0sxwIKVw
:love:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJQ9DcQD9Gs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0Zpv-xV89Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3xuS1G0wC4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLi0iUUQvjM
:love:
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Look how fired up Garth would get.
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Man I miss Denis
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Denis
Pullen
Billy
Beaz
Kelly
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Denis Jake Bill Mike Curt.
Denis
Pullen
Billy
Beaz
Kelly
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic7.depositphotos.com%2F1007989%2F759%2Fi%2F950%2Fdepositphotos_7598777-Best-Friends-Forever.jpg&hash=6b19b7a3587d828e27bdbf2002734e8540df3d2e)
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I absolutely loved the way Hoskins played in 2007 and was absolutely crushed that his knee got hurt and he could not play with Mike and Bill in 2008. I just don't have the heart to leave him off the team. I would take a 2007 Hoskins any time, anywhere. Ever since then whenever I shoot baskets at the rec or anywhere else I pretend that I am Hoskins making game-winners left and right.
really great message boarding right here by deez nutz. I feel the same, dn. Easily the most underrated qat in the BBS era.
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Denis Jake Bill Mike Curt.
Denis
Pullen
Billy
Beaz
Kelly
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic7.depositphotos.com%2F1007989%2F759%2Fi%2F950%2Fdepositphotos_7598777-Best-Friends-Forever.jpg&hash=6b19b7a3587d828e27bdbf2002734e8540df3d2e)
:surprised: :love:
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Adorable
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So what would you say for best starting 5 of tKstate since 2006 against the best of that other team not naming names and who would win?
1. Denis
2. Jake
3. Bill
4. Mike
5. Curtis
1. Elevator nudity
2. Chalmers
3. The greatest since Lebron
4. TROB
5. The white Dbag that blocked all the shots
Kstate wins by 20 because they would score 130 points
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Pullen
Foster
Cartier
Beasly
Kelly
b-Hoskins
b-Walker
b-JO
b-Clemente
Really struggle with leaving Hoskins and Walker off. Against some teams we would need JO for size. No matter what we would score a ton of points.
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So what would you say for best starting 5 of tKstate since 2006 against the best of that other team not naming names and who would win?
Better question would be how they'd stack up against the best of the Big 12 (since the conference's inception). Big 12 selections are open for suggestions/arguments.
G - Dennis Clemente
G - Jacob Pullen
G - Rodney McGruder (or Martin, Trim 3:16)
F - Bill Walker
F - Michael Beasley
PG - Jamaal Tinsley, Iowa State
SG - Chauncey Billups, Colorado
SF - Paul Pierce, Kansas
PF - Kevin Durant, Texas
C - Blake Griffin, Oklahoma
How fun would this be? Jesus :love:
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So what would you say for best starting 5 of tKstate since 2006 against the best of that other team not naming names and who would win?
Better question would be how they'd stack up against the best of the Big 12 (since the conference's inception). Big 12 selections are open for suggestions/arguments.
G - Dennis Clemente
G - Jacob Pullen
G - Rodney McGruder (or Martin, Trim 3:16)
F - Bill Walker
F - Michael Beasley
PG - Jamaal Tinsley, Iowa State
SG - Chauncey Billups, Colorado
SF - Paul Pierce, Kansas
PF - Kevin Durant, Texas
C - Blake Griffin, Oklahoma
How fun would this be? Jesus :love:
Team 2 would murder the Cat all stars.
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So what would you say for best starting 5 of tKstate since 2006 against the best of that other team not naming names and who would win?
Better question would be how they'd stack up against the best of the Big 12 (since the conference's inception). Big 12 selections are open for suggestions/arguments.
G - Dennis Clemente
G - Jacob Pullen
G - Rodney McGruder (or Martin, Trim 3:16)
F - Bill Walker
F - Michael Beasley
PG - Jamaal Tinsley, Iowa State
SG - Chauncey Billups, Colorado
SF - Paul Pierce, Kansas
PF - Kevin Durant, Texas
C - Blake Griffin, Oklahoma
How fun would this be? Jesus :love:
Team #2 would win by ~60
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Team 1. final score 105 - 96. Mike with 44 points. Denis yells, "BILLLLLYYYYYYYYY!" before lobbing an alley oop pass for a monster thunder fiery fudge dragon sundae dunk to finish it off.