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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: Unruly on February 07, 2014, 08:07:31 AM
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Here ya go folks.
http://www.kansas.com/2014/02/06/3271717_house-committee-approves-religious.html
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Tails? Like a tuxedo?
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Holy eff I fanning'd that so hard.
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another round of applause for Kansas everyone. securing their spot as the punchline of the worlds jokes for another year!
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What do you even say at this juncture?
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he doesn't come out and say it but I just get the vibe that Steve Dave doesn't like this man or his religious affiliation
Good stuff as always, libtard dave
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This seems like a bad idea.
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I mentioned this on twitter, but the icing on this Kansas cake for me is when my rep(willie dove) says that he is backing the bill because limiting the rights of the religious by not letting them deny service to certain citizens of the state is reminiscent of racial discrimination. Willie Dove is black. I mean, what!?!?!?!?!?
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I mentioned this on twitter, but the icing on this Kansas cake for me is when my rep(willie dove) says that he is backing the bill because limiting the rights of the religious by not letting them deny service to certain citizens of the state is reminiscent of racial discrimination. Willie Dove is black. I mean, what!?!?!?!?!?
Willie Dove is a great name
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They really, really, really hate gay people. Glad they are devoting time to this pressing topic that threatens the livelihood of the state's residents
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would be great if some homosexual folks just took over the gov offices and refused to serve straight people.
“It has do with marriage,” Brunk said. He said that the bill protects individuals from being forced to do something “that celebrates or solemnizes in some way a marriage, whether it’s a homosexual marriage or a heterosexual marriage.”
Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/2014/02/06/3271717_house-committee-approves-religious.html#storylink=cpy
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"Need your DL renewed? Sorry, I think you are gay and I think that being gay is a sin."
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another round of applause for Kansas everyone. securing their spot as the punchline of the worlds jokes for another year!
There's still a chance oklahoma will ban all marriages in an attempt to stop gay marriage, but I don't think it will pass. :frown:
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Under no circumstance should a state/local/utility/common carrier employee be allowed to deny anyone any service they provide.
Under no circumstance should a private citizen be required to provide service to any person they don't want to. If that's their decision they can be PI'd out of business.
Of course when the conversation is going the other way, the libtards have no problems legislating their bigotry and imposing their will on people, so who are they to criticize.
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JFC
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Under no circumstance should a state/local/utility/common carrier employee be allowed to deny anyone any service they provide.
Under no circumstance should a private citizen be required to provide service to any person they don't want to. If that's their decision they can be PI'd out of business.
This.
The example in the KC Star article about the wedding photog being able to refuse to do a same sex marriage job is something that shouldn't be legislated. The sickening part is the law including public employees. It does say that the service is not able to be denied, but that the employee can personally not be the one to supply the service without repercussion, which is bullshit. If your religious views prevent you from doing your job, it shouldn't be your job anymore. It shouldn't be the employer having to make that decision either. If you are righteous enough to object to performing your known duties due to beliefs, you should have the strength of character to step away from a job that would require such breaches of beliefs.
Seems only the religious get to have their cake and eat it too.
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Here is the bill itself.
http://www.kslegislature.org/li/b2013_14/measures/documents/hb2453_00_0000.pdf
And the most important part:
Section 1.?Notwithstanding any other provision of law, no individual
or religious entity shall be required by any governmental entity to do any
of the following, if it would be contrary to the sincerely held religious
beliefs of the individual or religious entity regarding sex or gender:
(a)?Provide any services, accommodations, advantages, facilities,
goods, or privileges; provide counseling, adoption, foster care and other
social services; or provide employment or employment benefits, related to,
or related to the celebration of, any marriage, domestic partnership, civil
union or similar arrangement;
The bolded is especially problematic
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Some court will eff this bill up though, right?
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holy crap, what a bunch of dickheads
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Briefly skimmed, will probably read later. I understand the thought process behind it, but it is just being handled in such a laughable and kansas-y way. They want to give religious judges the right to refuse to be the one to marry a homosexual couple, but by including all government employees it's just going to create a huge clusterfuck when some bigot refuses to allow a homosexual couple to adopt a child.
It's just sad how mumped up our state government is
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Under no circumstance should a private citizen be required to provide service to any person they don't want to. If that's their decision they can be PI'd out of business.
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Just so we are clear. Brunk is also proposing a bill to require municipalities to inform their populations that "the latest science" confirms that fluoride in their water will lower their kid's IQ.
You guessed it. Wichita.
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Just so we are clear. Brunk is also proposing a bill to require municipalities to inform their populations that "the latest science" confirms that fluoride in their water will lower their kid's IQ.
You guessed it. Wichita.
Hi Luke, the flouride war in wichita has been raging for 30 years. It was also raging in Portland, OR, until last year.
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It was also raging in Portland, OR, until last year.
How was it resolved?
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Not sure, for whatever reason Calif and Oregon are opposed to it. But you only hear about it when "crazy right wingers" vote it down.
Probably has something to do with the fact most tap water is used for showers, laundry and lawn, and not drinking
http://apps.nccd.cdc.gov/nohss/FluoridationV.asp
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Under no circumstance should a private citizen be required to provide service to any person they don't want to. If that's their decision they can be PI'd out of business.
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what is going on here
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really?
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If you choose to be a public employee you don't get to make that choice. Anyone else denying service to anyone because you don't like the way they are is discrimination.
Can teachers refuse to teach kids who are gay?
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Under no circumstance should a private citizen be required to provide service to any person they don't want to. If that's their decision they can be PI'd out of business.
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what is going on here
Just private citizens exercising their right to not serve people who aren't white and those who sympathize with them.
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that dude is smoking inside
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that dude is smoking inside
Some things never change.
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what if tim tebow wants to get married in ks? :frown:
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SORRY TIM TEBOW, WE DON'T SERVE YOUR KIND HERE
http://www.kansascity.com/2014/02/11/4814758/full-house-vote-expected-on-bill.html
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Under no circumstance should a private citizen be required to provide service to any person they don't want to. If that's their decision they can be PI'd out of business.
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what is going on here
Just private citizens exercising their right to not serve people who aren't white and those who sympathize with them.
FSD has the correct take. Unfortunately you can't legislate racism or homophobia out of people.
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Here's my take.
If you run a private business that has a public sidewalk connected to a public roadway that uses heavily subsidized public water and utilities and whose products are delivered through a publicly funded transportation network then you cannot discriminate.
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Under no circumstance should a private citizen be required to provide service to any person they don't want to. If that's their decision they can be PI'd out of business.
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what is going on here
Just private citizens exercising their right to not serve people who aren't white and those who sympathize with them.
FSD has the correct take. Unfortunately you can't legislate racism or homophobia out of people.
No, but you can fire racists and homophobes for refusing to do their jobs. At least you used to be able to in Kansas.
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Under no circumstance should a private citizen be required to provide service to any person they don't want to. If that's their decision they can be PI'd out of business.
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what is going on here
Just private citizens exercising their right to not serve people who aren't white and those who sympathize with them.
FSD has the correct take. Unfortunately you can't legislate racism or homophobia out of people.
you can legislate them not being able to push their homophobia and or racism on the rest of us by blatantly doing it.
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Under no circumstance should a private citizen be required to provide service to any person they don't want to. If that's their decision they can be PI'd out of business.
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what is going on here
Just private citizens exercising their right to not serve people who aren't white and those who sympathize with them.
FSD has the correct take. Unfortunately you can't legislate racism or homophobia out of people.
correlation does not equal causation but I bet if you look at white people's opinions on race since from 1955 to now in the South you would find that changes in law corresponded with subsequent changes in people's attitudes.
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Under no circumstance should a private citizen be required to provide service to any person they don't want to. If that's their decision they can be PI'd out of business.
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what is going on here
Just private citizens exercising their right to not serve people who aren't white and those who sympathize with them.
FSD has the correct take. Unfortunately you can't legislate racism or homophobia out of people.
correlation does not equal causation but I bet if you look at white people's opinions on race since from 1955 to now in the South you would find that changes in law corresponded with subsequent changes in people's attitudes.
Obviously. That said,if instead the government would have merely prohibited discrimination in public buildings, businesses, services, etc. we could be where we are now. We could also be further behind or ahead. We'll never Know.
It also brings us back to the "greater good v individual liberty" debate.
In a perfectly just society any private citizen would be able to refuse service to anyone they chose to, but that would cause a number of problems of its own with commerce, trade, etc.
But I think headunjun makes a good point to by mentioning the government funded and subsidized utilities, roads, and more that most private businesses use.
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oh boy, now we are going to get a great zinger from k-s-u about "you didn't build that"
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:facepalm: GOOD GRIEF! DO BETTER!
http://nation.time.com/2014/02/11/kansas-bill-allowing-refusal-of-service-to-gay-couples-moves-forward/
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no crap?
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Me too, Wacky.
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I swear if some fat face owner ever says something to my uncles when i'm out with them, I will totally flip my crap. :comehere: :comeatme:
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I would call Luke on you, but since it was posted like two weeks ago, maybe the statute of limitations has expired?
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:don'tcare:
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Yikes I didn't realize this was for public employees until just now. I think private businesses should be allowed to do business with whoever they choose, but this is pretty embarrassing.
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agreed
if you are selling sweet corn on the side of the road you should be allowed to tell homo's to eff off.
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agreed
if you are selling sweet corn on the side of the road you should be allowed to tell homo's to eff off.
Freedom of Speech
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http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=31106
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It's good to see that the state I call home still has some moral values since most of our nation does not. It is a proud day to be a Kansan. Anybody that doesn't like it can head to Missouri. They'll welcome you with open arms!!!
I hate my high school hometown.
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agreed
if you are selling sweet corn on the side of the road you should be allowed to tell homo's to eff off.
Freedom of Speech
If the bill becomes law, public and private employees alike could refuse service to same-sex couples based on their religious beliefs concerning marriage. Because religion is a protected status, the employer could not terminate the employee for this refusal. The law would also shield private businesses from discrimination lawsuits.
Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/2014/02/06/3271717_house-committee-approves-religious.html#storylink=cpy
Do you guys agree with private sector employees having the right to say "you can't fire me because I'm a Christian and that guy's gay"?
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well, if you have your own business of operating a garage sale or fresh picked corn/tomatoes on the side of the road or kmart parking lot then yes.
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This is kind of ironic in that this law represents the type of religious radicalism that they were trying to avoid by passing the anti-Sharia law.
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Did they actually pass the anti-sharia law? :sdeek:
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well, if you have your own business of operating a garage sale or fresh picked corn/tomatoes on the side of the road or kmart parking lot then yes.
What if you just work for somebody who has that business and he would prefer you sell to everybody, but you just really don't like gay people?
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Did they actually pass the anti-sharia law? :sdeek:
It passed by a huge margin.
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well, if you have your own business of operating a garage sale or fresh picked corn/tomatoes on the side of the road or kmart parking lot then yes.
What if you just work for somebody who has that business and he would prefer you sell to everybody, but you just really don't like gay people?
Well if uncle jimbo says I have to sell corn to anyone thatwell, if you have your own business of operating a garage sale or fresh picked corn/tomatoes on the side of the road or kmart parking lot then yes.
What if you just work for somebody who has that business and he would prefer you sell to everybody, but you just really don't like gay people?
We're on the same side
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Do you have to prove someone gay before denying them service, or just have a strong suspicion? How about before firing an employee or denying them benefits? Will some have to prove they aren't gay beyond reasonable doubt before regaining their bene's?
I mean, is "god told me they were gay" going to be an acceptable defense or does the lady at the unemployment counter have to witness someone in the act of same sex?
Western KS is having problems keeping population in small towns. Shouldn't they make their shitty little burgs as appealing to youth as possible so they don't become a complete desert in the next couple gens?
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KS bigots are proud bigots.
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What if your job is in human resources? Can you refuse to hire or pay gay people?
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What if your job is in human resources? Can you refuse to hire or pay gay people?
I think if it's against your religion you have to now.
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Fred Phelps is probably fistpumping his shoulders out.
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What if the muslim cashier refuses to check out Christians?
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things like this make me even prouder to strut the fact i am NY born and bred.
i'm only reason i came to this hick state was for KSU!
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things like this make me even prouder to strut the fact i am NY born and bred.
i'm only reason i came to this hick state was for KSU!
eff that. There are bigots everywhere, (even in the mighty New York). I'm not ashamed to say I was from Kansas, and no one else should be. People that support this bullshit should be ashamed, but not me.
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yeah, I mean, look at goEMAW. We're (mostly) proven great human beings and we're (mostly) from Kansas.
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What if the muslim cashier refuses to check out Christians?
We would probably just say that he can't do that because we banned Sharia Law.
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What if the muslim cashier refuses to check out Christians?
We would probably just say that he can't do that because we banned Sharia Law.
CHECK AND MATE
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What if your job is in human resources? Can you refuse to hire or pay gay people?
I'm pretty sure you already could do that in Kansas.
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What if your job is in human resources? Can you refuse to hire or pay gay people?
I'm pretty sure you already could do that in Kansas.
Even public employees?
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What if the muslim cashier refuses to check out Christians?
We would probably just say that he can't do that because we banned Sharia Law.
Welp. Basically fool proof, I guess.
How long until pharmacies cease to exist and we are all forced to pray our way out of cancer and stuff?
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What if your job is in human resources? Can you refuse to hire or pay gay people?
I'm pretty sure you already could do that in Kansas.
Even public employees?
Probably not, but as soon as this bill passes you can.
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I was emailing a couple of relatives in Kansas about this, they're moderate/just right of center types, and they're so embarrassed by all of this. They just can't believe these things are even being discussed in light of the issues that Kansas (and our country) face.
Half the state is in significant drought, cattle herds are at all time lows, education funding, economic development . . . and this is what's going on in the Kansas legislature. Disturbing and embarrassing.
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I guess non-crazies that live in Kansas should be a little ashamed. (SUCH AS SLUCAT)
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Is this law specifically targeting gays, or is it more broad? Could somebody refuse service to an adulterer on the basis of their Christian beliefs? I mean, you could find instances of everybody sinning at some point, just sit on your ass all day doing nothing, and not have to worry about ever being fired because you are just following your religion.
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it's like kansas and oklahoma are in a pissing match to see who can build the fastest bullet train to bigotville
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Is this law specifically targeting gays, or is it more broad? Could somebody refuse service to an adulterer on the basis of their Christian beliefs? I mean, you could find instances of everybody sinning at some point, just sit on your ass all day doing nothing, and not have to worry about ever being fired because you are just following your religion.
Who will be in charge of reviewing denials of service against the Bible to make sure it was an religiously acceptable denial.
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so weird that like 100% of all blacks, mexicans, and middle easterners are gay now
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Is this law specifically targeting gays, or is it more broad? Could somebody refuse service to an adulterer on the basis of their Christian beliefs? I mean, you could find instances of everybody sinning at some point, just sit on your ass all day doing nothing, and not have to worry about ever being fired because you are just following your religion.
Who will be in charge of reviewing denials of service against the Bible to make sure it was an religiously acceptable denial.
its worded pretty specifically against gays in relation to gay marriage.
but all you would have to do is say this
so weird that like 100% of all blacks, mexicans, and middle easterners are gay now
and recieve protection from the law.
its a shockingly horrible law that will cost the state shitloads in defense before the supreme court eventually beats that ass.
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Is this law specifically targeting gays, or is it more broad? Could somebody refuse service to an adulterer on the basis of their Christian beliefs? I mean, you could find instances of everybody sinning at some point, just sit on your ass all day doing nothing, and not have to worry about ever being fired because you are just following your religion.
Who will be in charge of reviewing denials of service against the Bible to make sure it was an religiously acceptable denial.
I think Jesus acknowledged that everyone is a sinner at some point, so I think you are probably covered just refusing service to everyone.
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I don't know anything about our state senate. Is there any hope that they will kill this? I know Brownbadenijad won't veto.
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I don't know anything about our state senate. Is there any hope that they will kill this? I know Brownbadenijad won't veto.
The Senate is a little more moderate than the House, but I think this law probably passes. It would not have passed a few years ago, but most of the RINOs were voted out last election.
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I don't know anything about our state senate. Is there any hope that they will kill this? I know Brownbadenijad won't veto.
It passed the house almost 2:1
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I don't know anything about our state senate. Is there any hope that they will kill this? I know Brownbadenijad won't veto.
It passed the house almost 2:1
I keep thinking this should shock me and then I read the Wabash Thread of the Day thread and it makes complete sense that this could happen in KS.
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Somebody needs to refuse to serve Brownback and see what happens
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So let's say I start my own religion...
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So let's say I start my own religion...
It says on religious grounds... not on christian grounds or anything specific
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If you want to do a little more than talk about it, here is a list of who voted for the bill http://kansasequalitycoalition.org/viewevent.php?e=4981 so you know who to vote out in the next election
And here is where you can find out who your representative is http://openkansas.org/ .
And in the meantime check to see who your state senator is and send him/her an email or letter letting them know you want them to vote it down.
And here are a couple of petitions you can sign.
http://changekansas.org/action/petition/stand-against-legalized-discrimination
http://www.change.org/petitions/steve-abrams-oppose-the-kansas-house-bill-2453?share_id=jrlWspLGsw&utm_campaign=share_button_action_box&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=share_petition
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So let's say I start my own religion...
It says on religious grounds... not on christian grounds or anything specific
Pretty sure the flying spaghetti monster religion was founded for purposes just like these
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If you want to do a little more than talk about it, here is a list of who voted for the bill http://kansasequalitycoalition.org/viewevent.php?e=4981 so you know who to vote out in the next election
And here is where you can find out who your representative is http://openkansas.org/ .
And in the meantime check to see who your state senator is and send him/her an email or letter letting them know you want them to vote it down.
And here are a couple of petitions you can sign.
http://changekansas.org/action/petition/stand-against-legalized-discrimination
http://www.change.org/petitions/steve-abrams-oppose-the-kansas-house-bill-2453?share_id=jrlWspLGsw&utm_campaign=share_button_action_box&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=share_petition
thanks mrs. gooch. I really want to let my hometown rep have it but it probably wouldn't be too effective since I don't live there and all.
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My rep voted against it. I know him and he is a good man so I would've been shocked to see him vote for it.
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So let's say I start my own religion...
I'm in
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How do you prove that it is a "sincerely held religious belief"?
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How do you prove that it is a "sincerely held religious belief"?
You have to have a long history of being hateful to the gays
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So let's say I start my own religion...
I'm in
Let's start the church of @PurpleBear4.
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Is this law specifically targeting gays, or is it more broad? Could somebody refuse service to an adulterer on the basis of their Christian beliefs? I mean, you could find instances of everybody sinning at some point, just sit on your ass all day doing nothing, and not have to worry about ever being fired because you are just following your religion.
Who will be in charge of reviewing denials of service against the Bible to make sure it was an religiously acceptable denial.
I think Jesus acknowledged that everyone is a sinner at some point, so I think you are probably covered just refusing service to everyone.
Just get a placard that says "NO" and put it up at your work station, then party
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Since we'll never separate church and state then, as a Christian, I hope we become an atheist nation.
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So let's say I start my own religion...
I'm in
Let's start the church of @PurpleBear4.
He's a loving Bear. He wouldn't allow us to discriminate against people that we think are assholes.
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So let's say I start my own religion...
I'm in
Let's start the church of @PurpleBear4.
Hhmmm......how often are you required to get black out drunk in this religion?
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So let's say I start my own religion...
I'm in
Let's start the church of @PurpleBear4.
He's a loving Bear. He wouldn't allow us to discriminate against people that we think are assholes.
From my understanding, Jesus wouldn't either...
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bear totally stole that glass breaking thing from the jews.
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http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2014/02/13/kansas_anti_gay_segregation_bill_is_an_abomination.html
Supporting the bill on the House floor, Republican state Rep. Charles Macheers proclaimed that “discrimination is horrible. It’s hurtful. … It has no place in civilized society, and that’s precisely why we’re moving this bill.”
:sdeek:
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http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2014/02/13/kansas_anti_gay_segregation_bill_is_an_abomination.html
Supporting the bill on the House floor, Republican state Rep. Charles Macheers proclaimed that “discrimination is horrible. It’s hurtful. … It has no place in civilized society, and that’s precisely why we’re moving this bill.”
:sdeek:
good christ
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http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2014/02/13/kansas_anti_gay_segregation_bill_is_an_abomination.html
Supporting the bill on the House floor, Republican state Rep. Charles Macheers proclaimed that “discrimination is horrible. It’s hurtful. … It has no place in civilized society, and that’s precisely why we’re moving this bill.”
:sdeek:
The comments on his Facebook post are pretty entertaining.
https://www.facebook.com/macheers/posts/10203369618510122
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http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2014/02/13/kansas_anti_gay_segregation_bill_is_an_abomination.html
Supporting the bill on the House floor, Republican state Rep. Charles Macheers proclaimed that “discrimination is horrible. It’s hurtful. … It has no place in civilized society, and that’s precisely why we’re moving this bill.”
:sdeek:
The comments on his Facebook post are pretty entertaining.
https://www.facebook.com/macheers/posts/10203369618510122
I think the comments on his main page are even better.
https://www.facebook.com/macheers?ref=stream
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I guess non-crazies that live in Kansas should be a little ashamed. (SUCH AS SLUCAT)
I am...
got a family here now. Kinda made this batshit crazy place my home.
Oh, wrote my rep 2x-she voted against it, also signed petitions as Mrs. Gooch suggested.
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I feel so bad for the 85% of the population that are being discriminated against. So sad. :bawl: The fact that this is even a conversation is an embarrassment.
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I feel so bad for the 85% of the population that are being discriminated against. So sad. :bawl: The fact that this is even a conversation is an embarrassment.
Yeah. Laura Meyers was right.
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I feel so bad for the 85% of the population that are being discriminated against. So sad. :bawl: The fact that this is even a conversation is an embarrassment.
Yeah. Laura Meyers was right.
Who the hell is Laura Meyers?
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I feel so bad for the 85% of the population that are being discriminated against. So sad. :bawl: The fact that this is even a conversation is an embarrassment.
Yeah. Laura Meyers was right.
Who the hell is Laura Meyers?
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=30337.0
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I feel so bad for the 85% of the population that are being discriminated against. So sad. :bawl: The fact that this is even a conversation is an embarrassment.
Yeah. Laura Meyers was right.
Who the hell is Laura Meyers?
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=30337.0
Lol, she is so naive.
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Senate said no
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Senate said no
:surprised:
well, it's still a shame it got this far but good for them.
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Hasn't happened yet has it?
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Hasn't happened yet has it?
It looks like it has been sent to the Committee on Judiciary. Hopefully it just dies there. I don't like the odds of this bill actually getting voted down.
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Everyone knows this law is a direct response to this, right?
http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=21136505
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The Senate president said she didn't think it would pass in it's current form. I'm a little skeptical that that means they will out right vote it down - they may vote for it with a few tweaks. It is in committee now, but the committee is busy so it won't be voted on soon.
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Everyone knows this law is a direct response to this, right?
http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=21136505
I think that if we are going to let businesses discriminate based upon race, gender, or sexual orientation, then they should have to register on a bigoted business list so that the general public can know who they are and where they are located, sort of like sex offenders. They should also be taxed at a higher rate than society's good human beings.
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Everyone knows this law is a direct response to this, right?
http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=21136505
What if the company that sells flour told this cake maker that they won't sell him flour because the flour company doesn't support opposition to same sex marriages? And then the farmer wouldn't sell wheat to the flour company because the farmer doesn't support opposition to someone who doesn't support same sex marriage.
:runaway:
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Everyone knows this law is a direct response to this, right?
http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=21136505
What if the company that sells flour told this cake maker that they won't sell him flour because the flour company doesn't support opposition to same sex marriages? And then the farmer wouldn't sell wheat to the flour company because the farmer doesn't support opposition to someone who doesn't support same sex marriage.
:runaway:
Yes, a free market could put an end to all discrimination.
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Everyone knows this law is a direct response to this, right?
http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=21136505
I think that if we are going to let businesses discriminate based upon race, gender, or sexual orientation, then they should have to register on a bigoted business list so that the general public can know who they are and where they are located, sort of like sex offenders. They should also be taxed at a higher rate than society's good human beings.
The Tales of Libtardistan: in my police state your beliefs are what I say they are
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Everyone knows this law is a direct response to this, right?
http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=21136505
I think that if we are going to let businesses discriminate based upon race, gender, or sexual orientation, then they should have to register on a bigoted business list so that the general public can know who they are and where they are located, sort of like sex offenders. They should also be taxed at a higher rate than society's good human beings.
The Tales of Libtardistan: in my police state your beliefs are what I say they are
:Crybaby:
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Everyone knows this law is a direct response to this, right?
http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=21136505
What if the company that sells flour told this cake maker that they won't sell him flour because the flour company doesn't support opposition to same sex marriages? And then the farmer wouldn't sell wheat to the flour company because the farmer doesn't support opposition to someone who doesn't support same sex marriage.
:runaway:
Yes, a free market could put an end to all discrimination.
Yeah. Seems weird that the happy couple chose to file a lawsuit instead of just finding another bakery.
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Everyone knows this law is a direct response to this, right?
http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=21136505
Boy did the Kansas legislature spring into quick action!
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This law is for public employees, though.
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The silver lining will be the joy of watching people trying to prove or disprove the sincerity of their religious conviction in the courtroom.
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The silver lining will be the joy of watching people trying to prove or disprove the sincerity of their religious conviction in the courtroom.
It is going to be a treat.
Bigots under oath testifying about how sincerely they hate gay people.
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The silver lining will be the joy of watching people trying to prove or disprove the sincerity of their religious conviction in the courtroom.
Counter suits full of ppl having to prove they aren't actually gay.
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Everyone knows this law is a direct response to this, right?
http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=21136505
What if the company that sells flour told this cake maker that they won't sell him flour because the flour company doesn't support opposition to same sex marriages? And then the farmer wouldn't sell wheat to the flour company because the farmer doesn't support opposition to someone who doesn't support same sex marriage.
:runaway:
Yes, a free market could put an end to all discrimination.
Yeah. Seems weird that the happy couple chose to file a lawsuit instead of just finding another bakery.
Seems weird Rosa Parks didn't just choose a different seat on the bus.
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If it passes a business should have to post a sign. Why waste everyone's time?
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If it passes a business should have to post a sign. Why waste everyone's time?
might i suggest confederate flags?
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If it passes a business should have to post a sign. Why waste everyone's time?
Those that would refuse service would probably gladly post a sign. Also, posting a sign would probably be good for business in many parts of the state.
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If it passes a business should have to post a sign. Why waste everyone's time?
Those that would refuse service would probably gladly post a sign. Also, posting a sign would probably be good for business in many parts of the state.
I think most places would lose more business than they gain.
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If it passes a business should have to post a sign. Why waste everyone's time?
Those that would refuse service would probably gladly post a sign. Also, posting a sign would probably be good for business in many parts of the state.
I think most places would lose more business than they gain.
New law: illegal to discriminate against biz's that post a sign saying they discriminate.
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Everyone knows this law is a direct response to this, right?
http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=21136505
What if the company that sells flour told this cake maker that they won't sell him flour because the flour company doesn't support opposition to same sex marriages? And then the farmer wouldn't sell wheat to the flour company because the farmer doesn't support opposition to someone who doesn't support same sex marriage.
Yes, a free market could put an end to all discrimination.
Yeah. Seems weird that the happy couple chose to file a lawsuit instead of just finding another bakery.
I am all for the public shaming of bigoted businesses. I think some LGBT should set up a database of businesses that are anti-LGBT and make that information public. Let the people make their own decisions.
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As for the shaming of biz, I am not even on facebook and I rarely use Yelp, yet I understand how facebook and Yelp work.
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As for the shaming of biz, I am not even on facebook and I rarely use Yelp, yet I understand how facebook and Yelp work.
Have you ever been to the Facebook page of a business accused of discriminating against gays? It's a rally for bigots
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Everyone knows this law is a direct response to this, right?
http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=21136505
What if the company that sells flour told this cake maker that they won't sell him flour because the flour company doesn't support opposition to same sex marriages? And then the farmer wouldn't sell wheat to the flour company because the farmer doesn't support opposition to someone who doesn't support same sex marriage.
Yes, a free market could put an end to all discrimination.
Yeah. Seems weird that the happy couple chose to file a lawsuit instead of just finding another bakery.
I am all for the public shaming of bigoted businesses. I think some LGBT should set up a database of businesses that are anti-LGBT and make that information public. Let the people make their own decisions.
http://voices.yahoo.com/companies-anti-gay-policies-10988406.html?cat=3
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Everyone knows this law is a direct response to this, right?
http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=21136505
What if the company that sells flour told this cake maker that they won't sell him flour because the flour company doesn't support opposition to same sex marriages? And then the farmer wouldn't sell wheat to the flour company because the farmer doesn't support opposition to someone who doesn't support same sex marriage.
Yes, a free market could put an end to all discrimination.
Yeah. Seems weird that the happy couple chose to file a lawsuit instead of just finding another bakery.
I am all for the public shaming of bigoted businesses. I think some LGBT should set up a database of businesses that are anti-LGBT and make that information public. Let the people make their own decisions.
Isn't that the ultimate "free market" decision? Baker doesn't want to sell to gays and gays don't want to buy from bigots. Sounds like a match made in heaven.
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Discriminatorcat
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Everyone knows this law is a direct response to this, right?
http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=21136505
What if the company that sells flour told this cake maker that they won't sell him flour because the flour company doesn't support opposition to same sex marriages? And then the farmer wouldn't sell wheat to the flour company because the farmer doesn't support opposition to someone who doesn't support same sex marriage.
Yes, a free market could put an end to all discrimination.
Yeah. Seems weird that the happy couple chose to file a lawsuit instead of just finding another bakery.
I am all for the public shaming of bigoted businesses. I think some LGBT should set up a database of businesses that are anti-LGBT and make that information public. Let the people make their own decisions.
Isn't that the ultimate "free market" decision? Baker doesn't want to sell to gays and gays don't want to buy from bigots. Sounds like a match made in heaven.
Some people live in small towns that don't have a lot of bakeries to choose from, though. Also, some bakeries are a whole lot better than others. I think if you are going to open your business to the public, you should expect to deal with the public, including minorities, and if you can't do that, you should expect to lose civil suits.
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Everyone knows this law is a direct response to this, right?
http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=21136505
What if the company that sells flour told this cake maker that they won't sell him flour because the flour company doesn't support opposition to same sex marriages? And then the farmer wouldn't sell wheat to the flour company because the farmer doesn't support opposition to someone who doesn't support same sex marriage.
:runaway:
Yes, a free market could put an end to all discrimination.
Yeah. Seems weird that the happy couple chose to file a lawsuit instead of just finding another bakery.
Seems weird Rosa Parks didn't just choose a different seat on the bus.
No competing bus service.
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I think if you are going to open your business to the public, you should expect to deal with the public, including minorities, and if you can't do that, you should expect to lose civil suits.
Yeah. I think that's basically what was decided when the civil rights laws were upheld. Going to be interesting to see how the same issue is handled this time around, but this time with the additional hurdle that it will have to be to determined that the interest of being able to buy a cake from the best baker is important enough to over-ride what will be presented as the baker's sincere religious belief that he should not bake cakes for same sex weddings.
As several have said above, it will make for some interesting testimony and arguments.
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I think if you are going to open your business to the public, you should expect to deal with the public, including minorities, and if you can't do that, you should expect to lose civil suits.
Yeah. I think that's basically what was decided when the civil rights laws were upheld. Going to be interesting to see how the same issue is handled this time around, but this time with the additional hurdle that it will have to be to determined that the interest of being able to buy a cake from the best baker is important enough to over-ride what will be presented as the baker's sincere religious belief that he should not bake cakes for same sex weddings.
As several have said above, it will make for some interesting testimony and arguments.
I think I could maybe sympathize with the baker if he would show me in his religious texts where it says he isn't supposed to bake cakes for gay people.
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the real fun is when a christian would be denied service by a gay person. imagine the level of butthurt on that one.
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I think if you are going to open your business to the public, you should expect to deal with the public, including minorities, and if you can't do that, you should expect to lose civil suits.
Yeah. I think that's basically what was decided when the civil rights laws were upheld. Going to be interesting to see how the same issue is handled this time around, but this time with the additional hurdle that it will have to be to determined that the interest of being able to buy a cake from the best baker is important enough to over-ride what will be presented as the baker's sincere religious belief that he should not bake cakes for same sex weddings.
As several have said above, it will make for some interesting testimony and arguments.
I think I could maybe sympathize with the baker if he would show me in his religious texts where it says he isn't supposed to bake cakes for gay people.
Well, apparently Muhammad said to kill anyone who commits a homosexual act and turn effiminent men out of your houses. I don't think he said anything about baking cakes, specifically, but an instruction to turn effiminent men out of your house could reasonably be interpreted as saying don't serve gays in your business.
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I think if you are going to open your business to the public, you should expect to deal with the public, including minorities, and if you can't do that, you should expect to lose civil suits.
Yeah. I think that's basically what was decided when the civil rights laws were upheld. Going to be interesting to see how the same issue is handled this time around, but this time with the additional hurdle that it will have to be to determined that the interest of being able to buy a cake from the best baker is important enough to over-ride what will be presented as the baker's sincere religious belief that he should not bake cakes for same sex weddings.
As several have said above, it will make for some interesting testimony and arguments.
I think I could maybe sympathize with the baker if he would show me in his religious texts where it says he isn't supposed to bake cakes for gay people.
Well, apparently Muhammad said to kill anyone who commits a homosexual act and turn effiminent men out of your houses. I don't think he said anything about baking cakes, specifically, but an instruction to turn effiminent men out of your house could reasonably be interpreted as saying don't serve gays in your business.
So they don't really have a religious reason to not bake cakes for gay people, then.
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Some people live in small towns that don't have a lot of bakeries to choose from, though. Also, some bakeries are a whole lot better than others. I think if you are going to open your business to the public, you should expect to deal with the public, including minorities, and if you can't do that, you should expect to lose civil suits BECAUSE THE CAKE YOU BAKED IS NOT YOURS IT BELONGS TO THE COLLECTIVE.
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Some people live in small towns that don't have a lot of bakeries to choose from, though. Also, some bakeries are a whole lot better than others. I think if you are going to open your business to the public, you should expect to deal with the public, including minorities, and if you can't do that, you should expect to lose civil suits BECAUSE THE CAKE YOU BAKED IS NOT YOURS IT BELONGS TO THE COLLECTIVE.
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^^ Those guys could have an issue getting a cake in Kansas. :Ugh: ^^
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I think if you are going to open your business to the public, you should expect to deal with the public, including minorities, and if you can't do that, you should expect to lose civil suits.
Yeah. I think that's basically what was decided when the civil rights laws were upheld. Going to be interesting to see how the same issue is handled this time around, but this time with the additional hurdle that it will have to be to determined that the interest of being able to buy a cake from the best baker is important enough to over-ride what will be presented as the baker's sincere religious belief that he should not bake cakes for same sex weddings.
As several have said above, it will make for some interesting testimony and arguments.
I think I could maybe sympathize with the baker if he would show me in his religious texts where it says he isn't supposed to bake cakes for gay people.
Well, apparently Muhammad said to kill anyone who commits a homosexual act and turn effiminent men out of your houses. I don't think he said anything about baking cakes, specifically, but an instruction to turn effiminent men out of your house could reasonably be interpreted as saying don't serve gays in your business.
So they don't really have a religious reason to not bake cakes for gay people, then.
They do if they're Muslim. I assume everyone that voted for it is Muslim and pushing their ideology.
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Some people live in small towns that don't have a lot of bakeries to choose from, though. Also, some bakeries are a whole lot better than others. I think if you are going to open your business to the public, you should expect to deal with the public, including minorities, and if you can't do that, you should expect to lose civil suits BECAUSE THE CAKE YOU BAKED IS NOT YOURS IT BELONGS TO THE COLLECTIVE.
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^^ Those guys could have an issue getting a cake in Kansas. :Ugh: ^^
Are there religions that don't let you bake cakes for Asians? :dunno:
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Some people live in small towns that don't have a lot of bakeries to choose from, though. Also, some bakeries are a whole lot better than others. I think if you are going to open your business to the public, you should expect to deal with the public, including minorities, and if you can't do that, you should expect to lose civil suits BECAUSE THE CAKE YOU BAKED IS NOT YOURS IT BELONGS TO THE COLLECTIVE.
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^^ Those guys could have an issue getting a cake in Kansas. :Ugh: ^^
Are there religions that don't let you bake cakes for Asians? :dunno:
We may never know unless they have a church/temple in Kansas. :Carl:
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They do if they're Muslim. I assume everyone that voted for it is Muslim and pushing their ideology.
How amazing would kansas Facebook accounts be if the law was struck down regarding Christians because the bible doesn't say to discriminate against gays (does it?) but upheld as to Muslims because they can cite Muhammad's instructions.
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They do if they're Muslim. I assume everyone that voted for it is Muslim and pushing their ideology.
How amazing would kansas Facebook accounts be if the law was struck down regarding Christians because the bible doesn't say to discriminate against gays (does it?) but upheld as to Muslims because they can cite Muhammad's instructions.
The bible says they deserve death, but it doesn't instruct Christians to half ass it anywhere by not baking them cakes.
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What if someone asked a Jewish baker to cook him a swastika cake, or a ku alum asked a black baker to cater his Klan party?
These ku alum types are members of the "public", should the Jew and the black family be forced to accept their business? I hope not.
The police state Nazis are running a muck in this thread.
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What if someone asked a Jewish baker to cook him a swastika cake, or a ku alum asked a black baker to cater his Klan party?
These ku alum types are members of the "public", should the Jew and the black family be forced to accept their business? I hope not.
The police state Nazis are running a muck in this thread.
Great analogy comparing gay people to nazis and the klan. You have a firm grasp on this situation.
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What if someone asked a Jewish baker to cook him a swastika cake, or a ku alum asked a black baker to cater his Klan party?
These ku alum types are members of the "public", should the Jew and the black family be forced to accept their business? I hope not.
The police state Nazis are running a muck in this thread.
Great analogy comparing gay people to nazis and the klan. You have a firm grasp on this situation.
That's not the analogy you nitwit.
The SCOTUS has repeatedly protected those groups right to free speech and association. Public officials cannot deny them permits nor can they arrest their demonstration. As I've stated, nor should public officials be able to deny homosexuals service based on their religious beliefs. The discussion here, however, is whether a private party could deny them service.
It wasn't long ago that homosexuality was about as popular as the Klan in the eyes of the public. Just think, if at that time, they were denied the right of free speech and association. Buying a cake wouldnt even be on the table today. However, you, the simpleton, would willy nilly allow discrimination based on public opinion. And that is why YOU don't have a firm grasp on the situation.
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To put it in bbs terms: if this were 1920's Germany, ChiCat and his ilk would be talking about how great Hitler is.
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What's the Internet rule about people bringing up Nazis and hitler?
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You should be able to deny service to awful people. You just shouldn't be able to discriminate based upon race, gender, or sexual orientation.
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You should be able to deny service to awful people. You just shouldn't be able to discriminate based upon race, gender, or sexual orientation.
What a great police state standard, "awful people". As decided by the government, or the proprietor. Because if its the proprietor you're back to square one.
Also, absent from your list is religion, physical ability (handicapped), mental ability (Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)). I'll just assume you think these people are awful.
Seriously, you people can't be this dumb.
Bu
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The bible says specifically to stone and kill gays, not to deny cake baking to them.
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There is a lot of really terrible stuff in the Bible. Luckily most Christians have progressed beyond the worst stuff.
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Most of my christian friends understand it's just a rough ridin' book.
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Can you imagine if a muslim denied a Christian woman service because she wasnt covering her face? They would go ballistic.
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You should be able to deny service to awful people. You just shouldn't be able to discriminate based upon race, gender, or sexual orientation.
What a great police state standard, "awful people". As decided by the government, or the proprietor. Because if its the proprietor you're back to square one.
Also, absent from your list is religion, physical ability (handicapped), mental ability (Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)). I'll just assume you think these people are awful.
Seriously, you people can't be this dumb.
Bu
Why would I assume those people are awful? I do agree with you that religion, physical, and mental ability should also be protected. Of course there are lines that shouldn't be crossed. I think the Jew shouldn't be able to deny all service to the Neo Nazi, but he shouldn't be required to bake a cake with hate speech or a swastika. Basically, you shouldn't be able to deny service just because of who your potential customer is. You should need a reason. If a gay couple wants a cake that depicts two men kissing, I'm fine with the baker saying that he will make them a cake, just not that cake. I'm not fine with the baker saying he won't make them any cakes because they are gay.
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You should be able to deny service to awful people. You just shouldn't be able to discriminate based upon race, gender, or sexual orientation.
What a great police state standard, "awful people". As decided by the government, or the proprietor. Because if its the proprietor you're back to square one.
Also, absent from your list is religion, physical ability (handicapped), mental ability (Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)). I'll just assume you think these people are awful.
Seriously, you people can't be this dumb.
Bu
Why would I assume those people are awful? I do agree with you that religion, physical, and mental ability should also be protected. Of course there are lines that shouldn't be crossed. I think the Jew shouldn't be able to deny all service to the Neo Nazi, but he shouldn't be required to bake a cake with hate speech or a swastika. Basically, you shouldn't be able to deny service just because of who your potential customer is. You should need a reason. If a gay couple wants a cake that depicts two men kissing, I'm fine with the baker saying that he will make them a cake, just not that cake. I'm not fine with the baker saying he won't make them any cakes because they are gay.
What if the only cake he'll bake says "mommies burn in hell"
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I mean, if you believe people should have the right to not serve gays, you pretty much need to believe people should have the right to not serve blacks, right?
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You should be able to deny service to awful people. You just shouldn't be able to discriminate based upon race, gender, or sexual orientation.
What a great police state standard, "awful people". As decided by the government, or the proprietor. Because if its the proprietor you're back to square one.
Also, absent from your list is religion, physical ability (handicapped), mental ability (Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)). I'll just assume you think these people are awful.
Seriously, you people can't be this dumb.
Bu
Why would I assume those people are awful? I do agree with you that religion, physical, and mental ability should also be protected. Of course there are lines that shouldn't be crossed. I think the Jew shouldn't be able to deny all service to the Neo Nazi, but he shouldn't be required to bake a cake with hate speech or a swastika. Basically, you shouldn't be able to deny service just because of who your potential customer is. You should need a reason. If a gay couple wants a cake that depicts two men kissing, I'm fine with the baker saying that he will make them a cake, just not that cake. I'm not fine with the baker saying he won't make them any cakes because they are gay.
What if the only cake he'll bake says "mommies burn in hell"
Well, that is offensive and a clear case of discrimination. If the business owner isn't willing to bake them a cake that he would be willing to bake for other customers, then that is wrong.
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I mean, if you believe people should have the right to not serve gays, you pretty much need to believe people should have the right to not serve blacks, right?
yes, and you also believe a business shouldn't be forced to serve whites either.
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I mean, if you believe people should have the right to not serve gays, you pretty much need to believe people should have the right to not serve blacks, right?
I mean, yeah. It's like the easiest logical progression ever to make, and yet it still is getting tossed around legislation. How rough ridin' embarrassing.
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I think the free market can work a bunch of things out, but the most alarming thing about the legislation to me was giving public employees cover. Some people could beat up a gay dude and for the police/ambulance, responding is optional.
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I think the free market can work a bunch of things out, but the most alarming thing about the legislation to me was giving public employees cover. Some people could beat up a gay dude and for the police/ambulance, responding is optional.
yes, i don't think the private and public sector are in the same conversation on this. very different markets. (this obviously includes when private businesses are contracted to do public business)
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I think the free market can work a bunch of things out, but the most alarming thing about the legislation to me was giving public employees cover. Some people could beat up a gay dude and for the police/ambulance, responding is optional.
yes, i don't think the private and public sector are in the same conversation on this. very different markets. (this obviously includes when private businesses are contracted to do public business)
Giving those protections to private sector employees is just as bad, really. You could be trying to run a business that caters to everybody, and the proposed law would give you no right to get rid of an employee who refused to serve gay people. That would be very hard on non-bigoted small business owners who had the misfortune of hiring an bad person.
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I think the free market can work a bunch of things out, but the most alarming thing about the legislation to me was giving public employees cover. Some people could beat up a gay dude and for the police/ambulance, responding is optional.
yes, i don't think the private and public sector are in the same conversation on this. very different markets. (this obviously includes when private businesses are contracted to do public business)
Giving those protections to private sector employees is just as bad, really. You could be trying to run a business that caters to everybody, and the proposed law would give you no right to get rid of an employee who refused to serve gay people. That would be very hard on non-bigoted small business owners who had the misfortune of hiring an bad person.
that's true, and i wasn't looking at it in those terms. i was speaking more on the right of a business owner to serve who he chooses. i really dislike the government forcing a private business to serve someone. the public sector obviously shouldn't have that same right of refusal.
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I think the free market can work a bunch of things out, but the most alarming thing about the legislation to me was giving public employees cover. Some people could beat up a gay dude and for the police/ambulance, responding is optional.
yes, i don't think the private and public sector are in the same conversation on this. very different markets. (this obviously includes when private businesses are contracted to do public business)
Giving those protections to private sector employees is just as bad, really. You could be trying to run a business that caters to everybody, and the proposed law would give you no right to get rid of an employee who refused to serve gay people. That would be very hard on non-bigoted small business owners who had the misfortune of hiring an bad person.
that's true, and i wasn't looking at it in those terms. i was speaking more on the right of a business owner to serve who he chooses. i really dislike the government forcing a private business to serve someone. the public sector obviously shouldn't have that same right of refusal.
Agree with Seven. Should be no protection for an employee
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I think the free market can work a bunch of things out, but the most alarming thing about the legislation to me was giving public employees cover. Some people could beat up a gay dude and for the police/ambulance, responding is optional.
yes, i don't think the private and public sector are in the same conversation on this. very different markets. (this obviously includes when private businesses are contracted to do public business)
Giving those protections to private sector employees is just as bad, really. You could be trying to run a business that caters to everybody, and the proposed law would give you no right to get rid of an employee who refused to serve gay people. That would be very hard on non-bigoted small business owners who had the misfortune of hiring an bad person.
that's true, and i wasn't looking at it in those terms. i was speaking more on the right of a business owner to serve who he chooses. i really dislike the government forcing a private business to serve someone. the public sector obviously shouldn't have that same right of refusal.
"No, Jackie you can't stay at the hotel with the rest of the Dodgers"
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I think the free market can work a bunch of things out, but the most alarming thing about the legislation to me was giving public employees cover. Some people could beat up a gay dude and for the police/ambulance, responding is optional.
yes, i don't think the private and public sector are in the same conversation on this. very different markets. (this obviously includes when private businesses are contracted to do public business)
Giving those protections to private sector employees is just as bad, really. You could be trying to run a business that caters to everybody, and the proposed law would give you no right to get rid of an employee who refused to serve gay people. That would be very hard on non-bigoted small business owners who had the misfortune of hiring an bad person.
that's true, and i wasn't looking at it in those terms. i was speaking more on the right of a business owner to serve who he chooses. i really dislike the government forcing a private business to serve someone. the public sector obviously shouldn't have that same right of refusal.
"No, Jackie you can't stay at the hotel with the rest of the Dodgers"
I think in that situation there is a more than decent chance the Dodgers take their business elsewhere
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I think the free market can work a bunch of things out, but the most alarming thing about the legislation to me was giving public employees cover. Some people could beat up a gay dude and for the police/ambulance, responding is optional.
yes, i don't think the private and public sector are in the same conversation on this. very different markets. (this obviously includes when private businesses are contracted to do public business)
Giving those protections to private sector employees is just as bad, really. You could be trying to run a business that caters to everybody, and the proposed law would give you no right to get rid of an employee who refused to serve gay people. That would be very hard on non-bigoted small business owners who had the misfortune of hiring an bad person.
that's true, and i wasn't looking at it in those terms. i was speaking more on the right of a business owner to serve who he chooses. i really dislike the government forcing a private business to serve someone. the public sector obviously shouldn't have that same right of refusal.
"No, Jackie you can't stay at the hotel with the rest of the Dodgers"
I think in that situation there is a more than decent chance the Dodgers take their business elsewhere
Gonna be pretty tough when they have to play in rural Kansas, and the one hotel in town won't let them
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Good job, 7
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You should be able to deny service to awful people. You just shouldn't be able to discriminate based upon race, gender, or sexual orientation.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/31/martha-boggs-stacey-campfield-restaurant-removal-_n_1243967.html
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Discrimination is bad. The world probably works better when private businesses can't discriminate. IF one business can discriminate then every business should be able to. A law protecting an employees right to discriminate against the will of their employer is ridiculous.
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The problem with force is that no one has a problem with it when they're on the side doing the pushing.
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I think the free market can work a bunch of things out, but the most alarming thing about the legislation to me was giving public employees cover. Some people could beat up a gay dude and for the police/ambulance, responding is optional.
yes, i don't think the private and public sector are in the same conversation on this. very different markets. (this obviously includes when private businesses are contracted to do public business)
Giving those protections to private sector employees is just as bad, really. You could be trying to run a business that caters to everybody, and the proposed law would give you no right to get rid of an employee who refused to serve gay people. That would be very hard on non-bigoted small business owners who had the misfortune of hiring an bad person.
that's true, and i wasn't looking at it in those terms. i was speaking more on the right of a business owner to serve who he chooses. i really dislike the government forcing a private business to serve someone. the public sector obviously shouldn't have that same right of refusal.
"No, Jackie you can't stay at the hotel with the rest of the Dodgers"
I think in that situation there is a more than decent chance the Dodgers take their business elsewhere
Gonna be pretty tough when they have to play in rural Kansas, and the one hotel in town won't let them
Soon-to-be-born Jesus was denied a room at a hotel in a rural town, and look how he turned out.
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He was crucified! literally!
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He was crucified! literally!
Yea but he is pretty resilient
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Let he who is without sin deny the first cake to a homo couple that loves one another
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If I was in the religion industry, I'd be pissed about how much horrible stuff is associated with my brand.
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If I was in the religion industry, I'd be pissed about how much horrible stuff is associated with my brand.
seems like it would hurt incoming recruits, but luckily the young are highly impressionable
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If I was in the religion industry, I'd be pissed about how much horrible stuff is associated with my brand.
seems like it would hurt incoming recruits, but luckily the young are highly impressionable
Religion is set up to make people feel like they are better than others. That's a powerful pill
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If I was in the religion industry, I'd be pissed about how much horrible stuff is associated with my brand.
seems like it would hurt incoming recruits, but luckily the young are highly impressionable
Religion is set up to make people feel like they are better than others. That's a powerful pill
Yep, then scare and threaten them into doing what you say and paying you money and stuff.
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If I was in the religion industry, I'd be pissed about how much horrible stuff is associated with my brand.
seems like it would hurt incoming recruits, but luckily the young are highly impressionable
Religion is set up to make people feel like they are better than others. That's a powerful pill
Yep, then scare and threaten them into doing what you say and paying you money and stuff.
Maybe I need to get into the religion industry.
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Shouldn't be too tough. Plenty of dumbasses out there wanting to believe in something. Just promise some great stuff and threaten awful stuff.
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Shouldn't be too tough. Plenty of dumbasses out there wanting to believe in something. Just promise some great stuff and threaten awful stuff.
Barack Obama campaign strategy
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Shouldn't be too tough. Plenty of dumbasses out there wanting to believe in something. Just promise some great stuff and threaten awful stuff.
Barack Obama campaign strategy
Every campaign strategy
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If I was in the religion industry, I'd be pissed about how much horrible stuff is associated with my brand.
seems like it would hurt incoming recruits, but luckily the young are highly impressionable
Religion is set up to make people feel like they are better than others. That's a powerful pill
Yep, then scare and threaten them into doing what you say and paying you money and stuff.
Maybe I need to get into the religion industry.
I've had day dreams about trying to sell something to religos and making a buncha money and then I rinse my hair in the shower and tell myself I don't wanna rip people off like them.
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I've had day dreams about trying to sell something to religos and making a buncha money and then I rinse my hair in the shower and tell myself I don't wanna rip people off like them.
That applies to all sorts of scams to all dumb people, but then you realize they don't have any money to make it worth the aggravation.
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What's the Internet rule about people bringing up Nazis and hitler?
Godwin's law.
Also, getting into the religion industry is as easy as registering to be ordained online. Have fun.
In regards to the overarching topic, discrimination versus free market choice is a very difficult topic to cover due to spatial and other economic factors. I don't support the discrimination of anyone based on the merits of race, gender, sexual orientation or religion. However, I do support the refusal of service to those groups that advocate harm to other human beings. Legally writing this definition seems to be difficult, I will leave that to the professionals
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http://topekasnews.com/kansas-restaurant-kicks-gay-man-tells-gay-eating/
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http://topekasnews.com/kansas-restaurant-kicks-gay-man-tells-gay-eating/
that's not real, right?
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That's worse than Jim Crow.
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http://topekasnews.com/kansas-restaurant-kicks-gay-man-tells-gay-eating/
that's not real, right?
obviously not. (to people who know Kansas geography, at least.)
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It's hypothetical.
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http://topekasnews.com/edward-snowden-caught-leaking-us-olympic-playbook-russians/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=edward-snowden-caught-leaking-us-olympic-playbook-russians
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Kansas has an onion branch LOLOL
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oh :lol:
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Good news, Kansas. Arizona is now your Bigot Bro :flush:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/21/us/arizona-anti-gay-bill/index.html?hpt=hp_c2 (http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/21/us/arizona-anti-gay-bill/index.html?hpt=hp_c2)
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Well, that's just dumb.
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Kansas leftists are a weird combination of pathetic and bat crap crazy, which is the real reason there's zero balance is Kansas politics
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Kansas leftists are a weird combination of pathetic and bat crap crazy, which is the real reason there's zero balance is Kansas politics
Lol
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liberals are the reason KS is a world laughinstock
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Kansas leftists are a weird combination of pathetic and bat crap crazy, which is the real reason there's zero balance is Kansas politics
there hasn't been a democratic senator in kansas since 1939 - literally the longest streak in the history of the united states.
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Kansas leftists are a weird combination of pathetic and bat crap crazy, which is the real reason there's zero balance is Kansas politics
there hasn't been a democratic senator in kansas since 1939 - literally the longest streak in the history of the united states.
They should try running a non-lunatic.
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Under no circumstance should a state/local/utility/common carrier employee be allowed to deny anyone any service they provide.
Under no circumstance should a private citizen be required to provide service to any person they don't want to. If that's their decision they can be PI'd out of business.
This.
The example in the KC Star article about the wedding photog being able to refuse to do a same sex marriage job is something that shouldn't be legislated. The sickening part is the law including public employees. It does say that the service is not able to be denied, but that the employee can personally not be the one to supply the service without repercussion, which is bullshit. If your religious views prevent you from doing your job, it shouldn't be your job anymore. It shouldn't be the employer having to make that decision either. If you are righteous enough to object to performing your known duties due to beliefs, you should have the strength of character to step away from a job that would require such breaches of beliefs.
Seems only the religious get to have their cake and eat it too.
That's why there are so many religions. Ride a Harley, become a Minster. Smoke dope, become a Minster. Ride the Hershey highway, become a Minster. It's that simple.
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There is no law in Kansas which prohibits private businesses from discriminating based on sexual orientation, right? Are there any lawsuits that have been filed against private businesses for doing so? If not, I don't see the utility of this law.
As for whether private businesses should be so-prohibited (and I know that's not what's currently at issue, at least in Kansas), notions of equality need to be balanced with freedom of religion. Like it or not, homosexuality is considered a sin according to widely-held religious beliefs (including beliefs held by a great many black ministers who are justifiably chagrined that this is being compared to racial discrimination). Perhaps that will change over time, and many Christian denominations already take a much more permissive view towards homosexuality, but a business owner who believes homosexuality is a sin is not necessarily a bigot or a kook, and he or she should be free to deny service.
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Curiously enough divorce is also a sin yet was nowhere to be found in the law.
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Curiously enough divorce is also a sin yet was nowhere to be found in the law.
Right, and a business owner should be free to not offer service to divorced people if he so chooses. But as I said, we don't need laws spelling out these rights - they exist unless a specific law takes them away.
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I don't think those black ministers are justifiably chagrined.
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I don't think those black ministers are justifiably chagrined.
Lol
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I love the talking point that because a religion teaches bigotry its followers can not be bigots. amazing get out of jail free card.
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and zealots dumbasses love the fact that ppl that hold that stance think they have a moral superiority to God.
This is why we need to find a way for idiots to be left as idiots and not legislate it one way or the other. everyone should have the same rights. Let the individuals practice them differently.
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There is no law in Kansas which prohibits private businesses from discriminating based on sexual orientation, right? Are there any lawsuits that have been filed against private businesses for doing so? If not, I don't see the utility of this law.
As for whether private businesses should be so-prohibited (and I know that's not what's currently at issue, at least in Kansas), notions of equality need to be balanced with freedom of religion. Like it or not, homosexuality is considered a sin according to widely-held religious beliefs (including beliefs held by a great many black ministers who are justifiably chagrined that this is being compared to racial discrimination). Perhaps that will change over time, and many Christian denominations already take a much more permissive view towards homosexuality, but a business owner who believes homosexuality is a sin is not necessarily a bigot or a kook, and he or she should be free to deny service.
The Bible says love the sinner, hate the sin.
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There is no law in Kansas which prohibits private businesses from discriminating based on sexual orientation, right? Are there any lawsuits that have been filed against private businesses for doing so? If not, I don't see the utility of this law.
As for whether private businesses should be so-prohibited (and I know that's not what's currently at issue, at least in Kansas), notions of equality need to be balanced with freedom of religion. Like it or not, homosexuality is considered a sin according to widely-held religious beliefs (including beliefs held by a great many black ministers who are justifiably chagrined that this is being compared to racial discrimination). Perhaps that will change over time, and many Christian denominations already take a much more permissive view towards homosexuality, but a business owner who believes homosexuality is a sin is not necessarily a bigot or a kook, and he or she should be free to deny service.
The Bible says love the sinner, hate the sin.
One of the parts to not be taken at face value. Just like not banging your neighbor's wife.
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According to this guy running for governor in Arizona no one in Arizona would ever discriminate against a fellow human being. Must be the best place to live. LOL
http://www.upworthy.com/state-senator-who-supports-anti-gay-law-spends-10-minutes-proving-he-has-no-idea-how-the-law-works-4
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Have come to the conclusion that the only ppl that would run for state rep or sentate are morons that don't mind/don't understand getting hit in the face and/or junk repeatedly as long as they don't have to actually read anything.
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I don't have a problem with private companies refusing service to anyone. If I owned a restaurant, I don't think I'd serve Fred Phelps. However, if I worked for the county and Fred came in to get his car registration updated, I would definitely do my job and assist him.
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I don't have a problem with private companies refusing service to anyone. If I owned a restaurant, I don't think I'd serve Fred Phelps. However, if I worked for the county and Fred came in to get his car registration updated, I would definitely do my job and assist him.
sexual orientation, fred phelps, whatever
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I don't have a problem with private companies refusing service to anyone. If I owned a restaurant, I don't think I'd serve Fred Phelps. However, if I worked for the county and Fred came in to get his car registration updated, I would definitely do my job and assist him.
Anyone who opposes discrimination should have a big problem with it.
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Good news, Kansas. Arizona is now your Bigot Bro :flush:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/21/us/arizona-anti-gay-bill/index.html?hpt=hp_c2 (http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/21/us/arizona-anti-gay-bill/index.html?hpt=hp_c2)
We've been linked to them for a while thanks to Kobach.
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I don't have a problem with private companies refusing service to anyone. If I owned a restaurant, I don't think I'd serve Fred Phelps. However, if I worked for the county and Fred came in to get his car registration updated, I would definitely do my job and assist him.
Anyone who opposes discrimination should have a big problem with it.
What do you think of discriminating based on the requested service?
Like if Fred Phelps wants me to bake a plain cake that's fine; but if he asks me to bake a cake with the words "God hates mommies" on it then I don't have to do it, right?
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I don't have a problem with private companies refusing service to anyone. If I owned a restaurant, I don't think I'd serve Fred Phelps. However, if I worked for the county and Fred came in to get his car registration updated, I would definitely do my job and assist him.
Anyone who opposes discrimination should have a big problem with it.
What do you think of discriminating based on the requested service?
Like if Fred Phelps wants me to bake a plain cake that's fine; but if he asks me to bake a cake with the words "God hates mommies" on it then I don't have to do it, right?
Even Fred Phelps has rights. Just because you disagree with someone's personal views does not mean you can discriminate against them.
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I don't have a problem with private companies refusing service to anyone. If I owned a restaurant, I don't think I'd serve Fred Phelps. However, if I worked for the county and Fred came in to get his car registration updated, I would definitely do my job and assist him.
Anyone who opposes discrimination should have a big problem with it.
What do you think of discriminating based on the requested service?
Like if Fred Phelps wants me to bake a plain cake that's fine; but if he asks me to bake a cake with the words "God hates mommies" on it then I don't have to do it, right?
Even Fred Phelps has rights. Just because you disagree with someone's personal views does not mean you can discriminate against them.
That's not discriminating against Fred Phelps. I wouldn't make a cake that says that for anyone.
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I don't have a problem with private companies refusing service to anyone. If I owned a restaurant, I don't think I'd serve Fred Phelps. However, if I worked for the county and Fred came in to get his car registration updated, I would definitely do my job and assist him.
Anyone who opposes discrimination should have a big problem with it.
I guess, what I should say is that I would have a personal problem with it. I wouldn't give my money to places that discriminated against someone based on sexual orientation or race. I haven't eaten at a Chick-fil-a in over two years. However, I don't think the government should tell private businesses who they can serve and who they shouldn't.
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I don't have a problem with private companies refusing service to anyone. If I owned a restaurant, I don't think I'd serve Fred Phelps. However, if I worked for the county and Fred came in to get his car registration updated, I would definitely do my job and assist him.
Anyone who opposes discrimination should have a big problem with it.
What do you think of discriminating based on the requested service?
Like if Fred Phelps wants me to bake a plain cake that's fine; but if he asks me to bake a cake with the words "God hates mommies" on it then I don't have to do it, right?
I don't think I would bake any type of cake for Fred Phelps.
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I don't have a problem with private companies refusing service to anyone. If I owned a restaurant, I don't think I'd serve Fred Phelps. However, if I worked for the county and Fred came in to get his car registration updated, I would definitely do my job and assist him.
Anyone who opposes discrimination should have a big problem with it.
What do you think of discriminating based on the requested service?
Like if Fred Phelps wants me to bake a plain cake that's fine; but if he asks me to bake a cake with the words "God hates mommies" on it then I don't have to do it, right?
I don't think I would bake any type of cake for Fred Phelps.
Well I wouldn't either but I'd get around the discrimination lawsuit because I would just kiss my assistant cake baker (who would also be female) right in front of Fred while he was ordering the cake and he'd take his business elsewhere. He'd probably picket my bakery then though - which would get me a lot of gay wedding business.
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I don't have a problem with private companies refusing service to anyone. If I owned a restaurant, I don't think I'd serve Fred Phelps. However, if I worked for the county and Fred came in to get his car registration updated, I would definitely do my job and assist him.
Anyone who opposes discrimination should have a big problem with it.
What do you think of discriminating based on the requested service?
Like if Fred Phelps wants me to bake a plain cake that's fine; but if he asks me to bake a cake with the words "God hates mommies" on it then I don't have to do it, right?
I don't think I would bake any type of cake for Fred Phelps.
Well I wouldn't either but I'd get around the discrimination lawsuit because I would just kiss my assistant cake baker (who would also be female) right in front of Fred while he was ordering the cake and he'd take his business elsewhere. He'd probably picket my bakery then though - which would get me a lot of gay wedding business.
Oh man. You would be the best bakery owner ever.
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Does KS law not already not allow all private biz's to deny service to any one for any reason? I ask because I see these often enough in KS and MO:(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fecx.images-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FI%2F41ETLK3nnaL._SY300_.jpg&hash=c1085dd42c278cb53f3ef2f748510906581649f4)
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Does KS law not already not allow all private biz's to deny service to any one for any reason? I ask because I see these often enough in KS and MO:(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fecx.images-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FI%2F41ETLK3nnaL._SY300_.jpg&hash=c1085dd42c278cb53f3ef2f748510906581649f4)
The Federal Civil Rights Act guarantees all people the right to "full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin."
So you can't refuse service on the basis of any of those protected classes but you can based on anything else. Some states have laws that basically add sexual orientation and/or gender identity to that list. Kansas does not - so right now people could already refuse service if they want to based on sexual orientation.
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So, basically, Kansans just want to rub the refusal in gay ppl's faces evidently rather than just refusing service for some other everyday excuse.
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So, basically, Kansans just want to rub the refusal in gay ppl's faces evidently rather than just refusing service for some other everyday excuse.
Yes
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My advice for anyone who opposes this type of stuff: GTFO of the state of Kansas.
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My advice for anyone who opposes this type of stuff: GTFO of the state of Kansas.
My advice is the exact opposite. Make some noise and vote those losers out. Bring it up at family gatherings and put old people in their place. Tell your preacher he's full of crap if he disagrees. I think most Kansas are pretty good people but a lot of them just need a little tug to help them pull their heads out of their asses. Be that tug.
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My advice for anyone who opposes this type of stuff: GTFO of the state of Kansas.
My advice is the exact opposite. Make some noise and vote those losers out. Bring it up at family gatherings and put old people in their place. Tell your preacher he's full of crap if he disagrees. I think most Kansas are pretty good people but a lot of them just need a little tug to help them pull their heads out of their asses. Be that tug.
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My advice for anyone who opposes this type of stuff: GTFO of the state of Kansas.
My advice is the exact opposite. Make some noise and vote those losers out. Bring it up at family gatherings and put old people in their place. Tell your preacher he's full of crap if he disagrees. I think most Kansas are pretty good people but a lot of them just need a little tug to help them pull their heads out of their asses. Be that tug.
The people are the ones who voted all of these a-holes into office. The best option for Northeastern Kansas is probably just to secede and form its own state.
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My advice for anyone who opposes this type of stuff: GTFO of the state of Kansas.
My advice is the exact opposite. Make some noise and vote those losers out. Bring it up at family gatherings and put old people in their place. Tell your preacher he's full of crap if he disagrees. I think most Kansas are pretty good people but a lot of them just need a little tug to help them pull their heads out of their asses. Be that tug.
The people are the ones who voted all of these a-holes into office. The best option for Northeastern Kansas is probably just to secede and form its own state.
you are a moron.
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Good news, Kansas. Arizona is now your Bigot Bro :flush:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/21/us/arizona-anti-gay-bill/index.html?hpt=hp_c2 (http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/21/us/arizona-anti-gay-bill/index.html?hpt=hp_c2)
AZ gov vetoes bill.
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My advice for anyone who opposes this type of stuff: GTFO of the state of Kansas.
My advice is the exact opposite. Make some noise and vote those losers out. Bring it up at family gatherings and put old people in their place. Tell your preacher he's full of crap if he disagrees. I think most Kansas are pretty good people but a lot of them just need a little tug to help them pull their heads out of their asses. Be that tug.
The people are the ones who voted all of these a-holes into office. The best option for Northeastern Kansas is probably just to secede and form its own state.
Northeast Kansas voted this guy into office, though.
http://macheers.com/home
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My advice for anyone who opposes this type of stuff: GTFO of the state of Kansas.
My advice is the exact opposite. Make some noise and vote those losers out. Bring it up at family gatherings and put old people in their place. Tell your preacher he's full of crap if he disagrees. I think most Kansas are pretty good people but a lot of them just need a little tug to help them pull their heads out of their asses. Be that tug.
The people are the ones who voted all of these a-holes into office. The best option for Northeastern Kansas is probably just to secede and form its own state.
Northeast Kansas voted this guy into office, though.
http://macheers.com/home
I think he meant Douglas Co. should just secede.
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My advice for anyone who opposes this type of stuff: GTFO of the state of Kansas.
My advice is the exact opposite. Make some noise and vote those losers out. Bring it up at family gatherings and put old people in their place. Tell your preacher he's full of crap if he disagrees. I think most Kansas are pretty good people but a lot of them just need a little tug to help them pull their heads out of their asses. Be that tug.
The people are the ones who voted all of these a-holes into office. The best option for Northeastern Kansas is probably just to secede and form its own state.
you are a moron.
Thanks for the kind words. What exactly was it that set you off? The people of Kansas are the ones who vote all of these idiots into office, including Brownback. Liberals are better off just moving somewhere else.
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The second the gays go 51-49 Republican, the left will pass a shitload of this legislation
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:lol:
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:lol:
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I'm late, but I enjoyed this:
http://www.wweek.com/portland/article-20698-the_cake_wars.html
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All of these laws have to be coming from model legislation that was created by ALEC or CPAC or something, right?
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All of these laws have to be coming from model legislation that was created by ALEC or CPAC or something, right?
does Kobach work for one of those guys? If so, probs.
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All of these laws have to be coming from model legislation that was created by ALEC or CPAC or something, right?
The guy that introduced it did not know who wrote it. Good grief.
Macheers did not write the bill and said he did not know its origin. It was crafted by the American Religious Freedom Program, an organization based in Washington D.C. Similar bills are being considered in Tennessee and South Dakota.
Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/2014/02/13/3287827/susan-wagle-bill-that-allows-service.html#storylink=cpy
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I don't have a problem with private companies refusing service to anyone. If I owned a restaurant, I don't think I'd serve Fred Phelps. However, if I worked for the county and Fred came in to get his car registration updated, I would definitely do my job and assist him.
I belatedly agree
With Batt BcKee
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So, Sammy is going to make another run at president. That is excellent news.
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So, Sammy is going to make another run at president. That is excellent news.
where are you seeing this?
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So, Sammy is going to make another run at president. That is excellent news.
where are you seeing this?
Ok, maybe I'm a bit premature on this breaking news.
http://news.yahoo.com/sam-brownback-kansas-president-2016-225328589.html
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in related religious liberty news, Georgia's governor has seen the light (or the fear of having many companies leave or hurt his state).
http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2016/03/28/breaking-nathan-deal-will-veto-georgias-religious-liberty-bill/
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in related religious liberty news, Georgia's governor has seen the light (or the fear of having many companies leave or hurt his state).
http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2016/03/28/breaking-nathan-deal-will-veto-georgias-religious-liberty-bill/
It's not that surprising. I don't think he ever supported the bill in the first place.