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Title: Schlitterbahn
Post by: The Big Train on January 28, 2014, 10:22:17 PM
Two short articles about the same thing. I want to ride this thing you guys. I also want to go skydiving, so yeah, bungie jumping is also something I want to do.  Don't be scared.

http://roadtrippers.kinja.com/new-video-footage-of-worlds-tallest-waterslide-is-abso-1506535175

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/23/verruckt-tallest-waterslide-kansas-city_n_4653471.html
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Stevesie60 on January 28, 2014, 11:30:16 PM
Somebody's going to die on that thing this year, right?
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: jtksu on January 28, 2014, 11:45:44 PM
eff that.   What keeps the riders in the raft and the raft in the slide?   I'll do it but I'm sure I'll second guess it many times during the climb up the stairs.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 28, 2014, 11:48:08 PM
'Blast has been all over this on the KC things thread. Confirmed: Many ppl will die.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: jtksu on January 28, 2014, 11:49:12 PM
'Blast has been all over this on the KC things thread. Confirmed: Many ppl will die.

Probably good for business.  It's not really that scary if you can't die doing it.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 28, 2014, 11:54:30 PM
'Blast has been all over this on the KC things thread. Confirmed: Many ppl will die.

Probably good for business.  It's not really that scary if you can't die doing it.
How do you not die on that thing tho? Obviously good for business if you don't.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: jtksu on January 29, 2014, 01:08:19 AM
'Blast has been all over this on the KC things thread. Confirmed: Many ppl will die.

Probably good for business.  It's not really that scary if you can't die doing it.
How do you not die on that thing tho? Obviously good for business if you don't.

eff if I know.   Just saying a single death would bring in thrill seekers from around the world.   Two deaths would probably make them resort to scrapping it.   
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: mocat on January 29, 2014, 08:28:23 AM
i have a feeling somebody on goEMAW works at the structural firm that did/does the schlitterbahn work  :peek:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on January 29, 2014, 08:52:27 AM
i have a feeling somebody on goEMAW works at the structural firm that did/does the schlitterbahn work  :peek:

well I hope for everyones sake that person is better at math than you are.  :D
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: mocat on January 29, 2014, 09:53:10 AM
just to make it clear: i was not implying that i work at the schlitterbahn SE firm, because i do not.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: ShellShock on January 29, 2014, 10:25:31 AM
I do know a couple of the guys that do the SB work and even they are like :sdeek:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: 'taterblast on January 29, 2014, 11:28:11 AM
just looking at the thing, it seems like at the bottom of the huge drop people are just going to get their faces smashed in because it sends you right back up over another hill, with not much room to level out first. i mean, that's gotta hurt right?
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 29, 2014, 11:37:32 AM
just looking at the thing, it seems like at the bottom of the huge drop people are just going to get their faces smashed in because it sends you right back up over another hill, with not much room to level out first. i mean, that's gotta hurt right?
I've always figured dying would be pretty painful.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: 'taterblast on January 29, 2014, 11:38:30 AM
it was fun seeing the top of the slide lost in the clouds a few weeks ago
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 29, 2014, 11:56:08 AM
I've been thinking about it, 'blast. They should probably have death row ppl try this thing out first. Thoughts?
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: 'taterblast on January 29, 2014, 12:05:46 PM
I've been thinking about it, 'blast. They should probably have death row ppl try this thing out first. Thoughts?

why not? i'm sure they could get volunteers.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Winters on January 29, 2014, 12:06:06 PM
Would be too afraid to ride.
I've been thinking about it, 'blast. They should probably have death row ppl try this thing out first. Thoughts?
:thumbs:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: lopakman on January 29, 2014, 01:10:17 PM
Lotta scaredy 'cats' here.  That slide looks awesome sign me up  :don'tcare:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: jtksu on January 29, 2014, 05:42:16 PM
Lotta scaredy 'cats' here.  That slide looks awesome sign me up  :don'tcare:

I guess some people don't share your death wish.   Have fun and try to not land on any innocent bystanders as you plummet to your death.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: hemmy on January 29, 2014, 06:00:58 PM
eff that.   What keeps the riders in the raft and the raft in the slide?   I'll do it but I'm sure I'll second guess it many times during the climb up the stairs.

Physics.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: jtksu on January 29, 2014, 08:47:00 PM
eff that.   What keeps the riders in the raft and the raft in the slide?   I'll do it but I'm sure I'll second guess it many times during the climb up the stairs.

Physics.

Physics?!  More like magic.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: EMAWmeister on January 29, 2014, 08:57:50 PM
I think the fact that it's at the schlitterbahn makes it less appealing than the potential dangers of riding.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: star seed 7 on January 29, 2014, 09:02:43 PM
would ride and wouldn't even be worried about it.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on January 29, 2014, 09:48:57 PM
would ride and wouldn't even be worried about it.

afraid of some mayo on a burger but would ride this death trap. ok.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: star seed 7 on January 29, 2014, 09:49:35 PM
would ride and wouldn't even be worried about it.

afraid of some mayo on a burger but would ride this death trap. ok.

cause mayo tastes gross.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: The Big Train on January 29, 2014, 10:03:58 PM
would ride and wouldn't even be worried about it.

afraid of some mayo on a burger but would ride this death trap. ok.

cause mayo tastes gross.

Maybe the key to quit being such a picky eater is to stare death in the face  :dunno:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: star seed 7 on January 29, 2014, 10:07:40 PM
that's the dumbest thing i've ever heard.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Asteriskhead on January 29, 2014, 10:42:30 PM
shut up, dorks. mayo has nothing to do with water slides.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Bloodfart on January 30, 2014, 10:23:22 AM
@seven

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmUO_X9xsFs#t=88
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Bloodfart on January 30, 2014, 10:39:02 AM
Seven, do you lump miracle whip in with the mayo hate?  IMO miracle whip is bitb. 
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Unruly on January 30, 2014, 10:57:13 AM
Miracle Whip and Mayo can GTFOOMF.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q51JzPVfSuE
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: puniraptor on January 30, 2014, 10:59:01 AM
the right combo of people sizes, with the right gust of wind, and that raft is flying over I70.

MARK MY WORDS
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Bloodfart on January 30, 2014, 11:01:16 AM
Miracle Whip and Mayo can GTFOOMF.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q51JzPVfSuE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqXoFHZW_J4

You can GTFO.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: jtksu on January 30, 2014, 01:05:32 PM
Seven, do you lump miracle whip in with the mayo hate?  IMO miracle whip is bitb.

Dude, MW is rough ridin' terrible.  I bet you find margarine superior to butter as well, don't you?
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: EMAWmeister on January 30, 2014, 01:30:09 PM
It's only appropriate that a thread about a water park in Wyandotte County is now a debate about mayonnaise.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Unruly on January 30, 2014, 01:39:16 PM
Miracle Whip and Mayo can GTFOOMF.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q51JzPVfSuE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqXoFHZW_J4

You can GTFO.

 :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: The Big Train on January 30, 2014, 04:11:44 PM
It's only appropriate that a thread about a water park in Wyandotte County is now a debate about mayonnaise.

That's why the dot is the dot.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on May 15, 2014, 11:17:10 AM
http://www.kake.com/home/headlines/Opening-of-worlds-tallest-water-slide-pushed-back-259385051.html?llsms=840021&c=y
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: mocat on May 15, 2014, 11:21:03 AM
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.graytvinc.com%2Fimages%2FVerruckt%2BSchlitterbahn%2BKMBC.jpg&hash=ac7d9e26cd063b4f4e41ee8e52fa5367457e3a48)

just look at that setting
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: CNS on May 15, 2014, 11:29:23 AM
a couple weeks ago, 980 was saying they were testing it with crash test dummies and sandbags and that there was supposedly more than one instance of the dummies flying off the slide  :surprised:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Spracne on May 15, 2014, 12:13:32 PM
That looks super fun.  I'm going to the OG Schlitterbahn next month.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: ArchE_Cat on May 15, 2014, 12:23:31 PM
http://www.kake.com/home/headlines/Opening-of-worlds-tallest-water-slide-pushed-back-259385051.html?llsms=840021&c=y

Umm "more testing" is an interesting way to word what's going on. What until you see a picture taken after June 5th and compare it to what mocat just posted.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: mocat on May 15, 2014, 12:52:38 PM
http://www.kake.com/home/headlines/Opening-of-worlds-tallest-water-slide-pushed-back-259385051.html?llsms=840021&c=y

Umm "more testing" is an interesting way to word what's going on. What until you see a picture taken after June 5th and compare it to what mocat just posted.

 :peek:
I feel like ArchE_Cat is not BSing Everybody here guys
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: 'taterblast on May 15, 2014, 12:55:59 PM
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.graytvinc.com%2Fimages%2FVerruckt%2BSchlitterbahn%2BKMBC.jpg&hash=ac7d9e26cd063b4f4e41ee8e52fa5367457e3a48)

just look at that setting

gonna need a beems ruling.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: _33 on May 15, 2014, 12:59:57 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bQv6xph3T4
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Spracne on May 15, 2014, 01:01:54 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bQv6xph3T4

Great recruiting tool
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: hemmy on May 15, 2014, 01:05:36 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bQv6xph3T4

lmao
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: CNS on May 15, 2014, 01:09:41 PM
http://www.kake.com/home/headlines/Opening-of-worlds-tallest-water-slide-pushed-back-259385051.html?llsms=840021&c=y

Umm "more testing" is an interesting way to word what's going on. What until you see a picture taken after June 5th and compare it to what mocat just posted.

 :peek:
I feel like ArchE_Cat is not BSing Everybody here guys

June 5th it will be like 15' tall and have a roof/tube or something.   I am guessing that it is way too death trappy as is.

Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Pett on May 15, 2014, 01:22:59 PM
You & three friends can die together!!!!
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: The Big Train on May 15, 2014, 01:44:02 PM
I am excited for this thing to open
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 15, 2014, 02:30:09 PM
Man, if you make it to the bottom you end up in a tropical paradise, but the trip that it takes to get there.  :sdeek:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: hemmy on May 15, 2014, 04:25:48 PM
BTW, The slide will have a net around it and the 4 person raft will have seatbelts. Snooze city.  :zzz:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: ArchE_Cat on May 15, 2014, 04:46:42 PM
http://www.kake.com/home/headlines/Opening-of-worlds-tallest-water-slide-pushed-back-259385051.html?llsms=840021&c=y

Umm "more testing" is an interesting way to word what's going on. What until you see a picture taken after June 5th and compare it to what mocat just posted.

 :peek:
I feel like ArchE_Cat is not BSing Everybody here guys

 :peek:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: pissclams on May 15, 2014, 06:26:05 PM
i heard same height, they're just fixing that bump thing
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: The Big Train on May 15, 2014, 06:31:13 PM
What they need to do is keep the bump thing and put a zip line up that goes across it and when you take flight, you either snag the zip line down or fly into a huge swimming pool
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: hemmy on May 15, 2014, 06:42:50 PM
http://www.kake.com/home/headlines/Opening-of-worlds-tallest-water-slide-pushed-back-259385051.html?llsms=840021&c=y

Umm "more testing" is an interesting way to word what's going on. What until you see a picture taken after June 5th and compare it to what mocat just posted.

 :peek:
I feel like ArchE_Cat is not BSing Everybody here guys

 :peek:

Hey guys PM me insidery info. I'm the official amusement park insidery info guy on gE.c
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 16, 2014, 11:39:43 AM
So I heard this thing is in pieces right now?
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 16, 2014, 11:42:06 AM
If they have a net around it, that means they're not confident with it.  :buh-bye:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: CNS on May 16, 2014, 01:57:11 PM
So I heard this thing is in pieces right now?

Thats probably why the tests are failing   :dunno:

Put it all the way together guys, then run the crash test dummies.  Sheesh.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: hemmy on May 16, 2014, 02:19:23 PM
If they have a net around it, that means they're not confident with it.  :buh-bye:

Not really, there are many smaller slides with nets. Typically water coasters.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: The Big Train on May 16, 2014, 02:30:58 PM
This is the tallest water slide in the whole world, we don't need some sissy net holding us in
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 16, 2014, 02:39:20 PM
This is the tallest water slide in the whole world, we don't need some sissy net holding us in
Yeah. Pretty lame. I think the first person who tries it should do it w/ out any water too. I think that would really weigh how badass it really is.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on May 16, 2014, 02:47:57 PM
This is the tallest water slide in the whole world, we don't need some sissy net holding us in
Yeah. Pretty lame. I think the first person who tries it should do it w/ out any water too. I think that would really wigh how badass it really is.

I don't even know what word you were going for here.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 16, 2014, 02:53:24 PM
Fixed it. :)
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: SEK_EMAW on May 23, 2014, 10:44:19 AM
https://roadtrippers.com/blog/opening-for-worlds-tallest-waterslide-halted-after-test-riders-reportedly-launched-into-the-air



Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 23, 2014, 10:45:04 AM
https://roadtrippers.com/blog/opening-for-worlds-tallest-waterslide-halted-after-test-riders-reportedly-launched-into-the-air
Gee, I didn't see that coming.  :Ugh:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Phil Titola on May 23, 2014, 10:52:43 AM
That whole Park seems half assed city. Could they clean up the trash parts on the perimeter at least?
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: CNS on May 23, 2014, 11:18:23 AM
That whole Park seems half assed city. Could they clean up the trash parts on the perimeter at least?

You know it's in Wyandotte Co, right?
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: SPEmaw on May 23, 2014, 11:29:06 AM
That whole Park seems half assed city. Could they clean up the trash parts on the perimeter at least?

You know it's in Wyandotte Co, right?

Well, yeah...but as you're looking east leaving the Legends, the foreground is this awful overgrown field. Then you see a few random slides in the sky and it looks sort of chernobyl-y. It doesn't make me want to go over there.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Phil Titola on May 23, 2014, 12:10:57 PM
That whole Park seems half assed city. Could they clean up the trash parts on the perimeter at least?

You know it's in Wyandotte Co, right?

Sad part is that's the "nice"  part of kck they are actually paying attention to.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: The Big Train on May 23, 2014, 12:32:16 PM
This is why they will need a height/weight minimum, those little kids will be too light and even a breeze will move them.  This is a ride for real men.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: CNS on May 23, 2014, 12:53:28 PM
This is why they will need a height/weight minimum, those little kids will be too light and even a breeze will move them.  This is a ride for real men.

LOL at worrying about white mid-westerners being too light weight for a ride.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: The Big Train on May 23, 2014, 12:55:30 PM
This is why they will need a height/weight minimum, those little kids will be too light and even a breeze will move them.  This is a ride for real men.

LOL at worrying about white mid-westerners being too light weight for a ride.

This is true, also 'dot life
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: wiley on May 23, 2014, 01:52:54 PM
BTW, The slide will have a net around it and the 4 person raft will have seatbelts. Snooze city.  :zzz:

If this is the case, I've lost just about all interest in riding.   :angry:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 23, 2014, 01:54:47 PM
BTW, The slide will have a net around it and the 4 person raft will have seatbelts. Snooze city.  :zzz:

If this is the case, I've lost just about all interest in riding.   :angry:
Sweet. Seatbelts keeping you strapped in to your future death.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 25, 2014, 09:21:25 AM
The physics tell us it's the heavier ones who are at risk.


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Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: CNS on May 25, 2014, 10:52:01 AM
The physics tell us it's the heavier ones who are at risk.


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Wind resistance and wide bodies, tho.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 25, 2014, 12:23:55 PM
The physics tell us it's the heavier ones who are at risk.


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Wind resistance and wide bodies, tho.

Mass is a function that increases by the cube where drag is only by the square. 

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Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: The Big Train on May 25, 2014, 12:28:33 PM
I'll ride it, I'm not scared  :comehere:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: CNS on May 25, 2014, 12:33:26 PM
The physics tell us it's the heavier ones who are at risk.


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Wind resistance and wide bodies, tho.

Mass is a function that increases by the cube where drag is only by the square. 

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Sounds like Big Health is conspiring to end Obesity through any means possible,  I guess, because math.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Winters on May 25, 2014, 12:46:18 PM
The physics tell us it's the heavier ones who are at risk.


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Well, that's a relief for me.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: The Big Train on June 28, 2014, 08:23:12 PM
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/27/tallest-water-slide/11545601/

Quote
A promotional video for the show includes footage of two men riding a raft down a half-size test model of the slide and going slightly airborne as it crests the top of the first big hill.

Just imagine how much fun this will be when you ride the full scale slide  :excited:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on July 03, 2014, 11:08:49 AM
If you weight as much as these guys and wear boots, you might be safe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NG-uY2wze2Y&sns=fb
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: mocat on July 03, 2014, 11:22:59 AM
 :eek:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Emo EMAW on July 03, 2014, 11:27:10 AM
They really mumped Garmin on that deal.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Trim on July 03, 2014, 09:21:05 PM
It, coupled with the surroundings and staff, looks like something built in a day for a scene in a Jackass movie.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: wetwillie on July 03, 2014, 09:36:17 PM
It belongs in the North Korea thread with half built hotels.  What a nightmare. 
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: kslim on July 03, 2014, 10:14:01 PM
That was the cheapest go pro in history
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: kim carnes on July 18, 2014, 09:48:21 PM
guys, they are showing the building of the slide on travel channel right now
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 21, 2016, 03:11:56 PM
Exactly why I don't do water slides anymore. My feet have flown close to the edge.  :sdeek:

https://www.facebook.com/fox11la/videos/10157180414395553/
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Institutional Control on August 07, 2016, 03:42:56 PM
https://twitter.com/mattflenerkmbc/status/762383181521846272


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Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Institutional Control on August 07, 2016, 03:43:37 PM
https://twitter.com/meganbrilley/status/762385246721486848


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Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: wetwillie on August 07, 2016, 03:53:08 PM
eff
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: The Big Train on August 07, 2016, 04:14:53 PM
:sdeek:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: SkinnyBenny on August 07, 2016, 04:34:36 PM
12 year old. :frown:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 07, 2016, 05:31:35 PM
We called this from day one. :frown:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: BackPayne on August 07, 2016, 06:29:20 PM
Holy crap! How does this happen?
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: wetwillie on August 07, 2016, 06:36:42 PM
Holy crap! How does this happen?

i cant bring myself to try to find the details, i always envision my own kids in this stuff and it hurts too much. 
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Cire on August 07, 2016, 06:39:49 PM
Horrible


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Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Cire on August 07, 2016, 06:49:20 PM
Son of a state rep.  Schwab


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Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: SkinnyBenny on August 07, 2016, 07:35:03 PM
Just looked him up and saw a family photo on his website from 2014. Made me sad. :frown:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: 'taterblast on August 07, 2016, 08:03:00 PM
crap, man
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: WildcatNkilt on August 07, 2016, 10:37:01 PM
 :cry:   Awful.  Any word on what happened? 
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: HerrSonntag on August 07, 2016, 11:19:18 PM
If i had to guess, since the entire slide is covered with a net, preventing him from physically leaving the slide, that he flew up, got caught in the net, twisted around, and suffered some sort of head or neck injury.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: SdK on August 07, 2016, 11:27:15 PM
Someone died today? eff.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: CNS on August 08, 2016, 06:34:32 AM
Some fire dept folks I know said that the raft flew up on the second bumb and the kid hit either the net or the cross bar support of the net and was decapitated.  I guess he was in the raft with two ladies (unrelated) and both were injured but not killed.  Mom and dad were waiting at the bottom.   The ride is supposedly very weight sensitive in that the total of riders has to be between 400-550#.  The person running the ride was really young (17 or so, is what I was told).  No word on if the raft was under weight or what.

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Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: puniraptor on August 08, 2016, 07:02:04 AM
sickening :(
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: puniraptor on August 08, 2016, 07:11:25 AM
I've always thought that net system would kill someone if a raft actually went flying. The raft needs some kind of roll cage. I guess the net potentially stops everyone from being killed.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: steve dave on August 08, 2016, 07:24:09 AM
terrible  :frown:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Pete on August 08, 2016, 09:08:18 AM
Thank God the other passengers were not relatives.  Horrifying regardless, but my goodness.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on August 08, 2016, 09:41:20 AM
I read in some comments that a harness got wrapped around his neck and decapitated him.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: CNS on August 08, 2016, 09:45:37 AM
I read in some comments that a harness got wrapped around his neck and decapitated him.

I haven't been on it, but the description I found says that they have velcro seat belts.  It doesn't say if they are lap belts or over the shoulder, though.  The thing is, if that happened, the harness would have had to catch the net or something.   :dunno:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: ksupamplemousse on August 08, 2016, 10:02:35 AM
That ride has been a disaster since the word 'go.' Hopefully it's permanently closed after this fiasco.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: CNS on August 08, 2016, 10:09:45 AM
I am no engineer, but the problems they had initially coupled with how controlled the weight requirement has to be leads me to believe that there isn't much of a safety factor in the design.   :dunno:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Cartierfor3 on August 08, 2016, 10:41:11 AM
wait. decapitated meaning liked chopped off his head and his head and body just came down to the bottom of the slide not attached to one another?????
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: star seed 7 on August 08, 2016, 10:42:17 AM
That's generally what decapitated means
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: star seed 7 on August 08, 2016, 10:43:16 AM
I'm sure edn/catastrophe will be along shortly to post decapitation pictures
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: AppleJack on August 08, 2016, 10:43:44 AM
this makes me very sad.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: CNS on August 08, 2016, 10:43:59 AM
wait. decapitated meaning liked chopped off his head and his head and body just came down to the bottom of the slide not attached to one another?????

Yeah. really bad stuff.  According to the FD guys I know, you could see evidence of the accident from the road(the road is hundreds of feet from the slide).
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 08, 2016, 10:46:45 AM
I had been off social media all day yesterday and Mrs wacky and I went out to nebraska furiture mart to do some shopping for the new house. When we left, we went to price chopper down the road and I thought it was very strange I never saw any lines. We were both like "are they closed and why?" It was so weird when we found out. His parents were waiting for him down at the bottom too.  :frown:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Skipper44 on August 08, 2016, 10:48:09 AM
I am no engineer, but the problems they had initially coupled with how controlled the weight requirement has to be leads me to believe that there isn't much of a safety factor in the design.   :dunno:
I wonder about the weight distribution.  Waterparks typically want the heaviest person in the back so the nose of the raft doesn't submarine when it hits the catch pool and try to catapult the rider in the back but this ride clearly had an issue with the raft staying in contact with the water from the beginning. 
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Cartierfor3 on August 08, 2016, 10:49:17 AM
i can't even fathom
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: SkinnyBenny on August 08, 2016, 10:51:59 AM
Yeah. They should probably rip that ride down and also I hope they get the crap sued out of them. (Two things I almost never would say.)
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: CNS on August 08, 2016, 10:54:27 AM
Yeah. They should probably rip that ride down and also I hope they get the crap sued out of them. (Two things I almost never would say.)

I just hope it wasn't something as negligent as being the fault of a teen operator.  I mean, that position has the most responsibility for safety in that park, imo.  If they did put a teen in charge of that, and that teen made a mistake, that should def be the end of the park as it would def call into question the safety of the entire park, imo. 

If it was a design issue, I don't think the park needs to close. 

Either way, the slide needs to come down.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Shooter Jones on August 08, 2016, 11:01:31 AM
After hearing this yesterday, I could be off a little, but pretty sure I read somewhere they designed it like a roller coaster or something, and never even considered how differently rafts would function with flowing water or some crap. And then made adjustments after it was built to try and make it safe. I mean, how incredibly rough ridin' dumb is that?
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: ksupamplemousse on August 08, 2016, 11:16:11 AM
The owner of the water park referred to the ride as, "dangerous, but it's a safe dangerous now" after they had gotten the rafts to stop flying off the ride during testing. I'd imagine this guy will lose his shorts on this.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: SkinnyBenny on August 08, 2016, 11:18:35 AM
I mean, I hope so.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: The Big Train on August 08, 2016, 11:22:30 AM
This whole thing sounds like a scene out of final destination :frown:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 08, 2016, 11:39:34 AM
Was the ride the super-tall slide they were promoting a couple of years ago, or do they have other even more dangerous slides at the park?
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: WildcatNkilt on August 08, 2016, 11:39:50 AM
I had no idea they tore some of it down and rebuilt it until I watched a Travel Channel special.  Seems like they built it like someone would build a skate ramp in their backyard.  Built-->Test-->Redo until the results are acceptable.   
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: CNS on August 08, 2016, 12:29:44 PM
Yeah, redo until a few dozen rafts don't fly off 75ft in the air....good to go.

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Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: ArchE_Cat on August 08, 2016, 01:08:13 PM
Yeah they had ride path issues originally. the slide sections appear to match the sections used on their master blaster ride exactly. original build likely used standard master blaster sections to create the ride path. same slide piece lengths and curve radius, but didn't mean the ride would work for their desired weight range. the original intent may have been for the slide to be a 4 person ride. So it got built and they couldn't calibrate the rafts going up the little hill for the desired weight range. i believe you get sent up the little hill with jets similar to the master blaster. so they spent tons of money making the initial drop shorter and adjusted the hill. cut down the weight range by dropping a rider and they got a ride that works for a specific weight range. it sounds like what happened is an issue with them posibly becoming lax in enforcing the ride parameters related to the riders and or something not being right with the "harness" in the raft.

old promo artwork:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fschlitterblog.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F01%2FRideVehicle.jpg&hash=47d3fd8b4b666e90ab9ba03d83e873eb057cefe5)
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Trim on August 08, 2016, 01:16:15 PM
Was the park doing good business and if so, was it due to that ride?  I still can't get past how it appears to be placed in a dirt lot.  And I'd guess dirt people.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: star seed 7 on August 08, 2016, 01:17:56 PM
I can't imagine getting in a raft with 3 randos that are half naked and likely peeing in the raft
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: kim carnes on August 08, 2016, 01:20:25 PM
0% shocked u guys are flying off the handle at the owner
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: DQ12 on August 08, 2016, 01:23:40 PM
do we know exactly what happened yet?
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Trim on August 08, 2016, 01:25:05 PM
SchlitterGONE.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: catastrophe on August 08, 2016, 01:29:23 PM
I'd be surprised if they could even afford to keep the park open. This sounds a lot like that case that got John Edwards all his money. Zero sympathy for anyone involved in green lighting that ride.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: AppleJack on August 08, 2016, 01:33:47 PM
I need to understand what was different about this raft/boy/operator than the thousands before it.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: catastrophe on August 08, 2016, 01:40:34 PM
Do you actually, though? I can't think of a scenario where it would make a difference from a culpability perspective unless maybe the two other riders actually just murdered the kid and made it look like an accident somehow.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: AppleJack on August 08, 2016, 01:45:51 PM
If the cause was the weight/height/age of the boy then they are in big trouble.

I'm assuming they have a height check thingy before you hope on.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on August 08, 2016, 01:47:47 PM
I need to understand what was different about this raft/boy/operator than the thousands before it.

He wasn't as lucky as those other people.

(i.e. It was dangerous the whole time and this kid just happened to be on the one time it killed someone.)
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on August 08, 2016, 01:51:16 PM
I went to the original Schlitterbahn in New Braunfels last Friday.

There were no deaths nor death slides.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: kso_FAN on August 08, 2016, 01:52:47 PM
If the cause was the weight/height/age of the boy then they are in big trouble.

I'm assuming they have a height check thingy before you hope on.

It's all weight based from what I understand. 2-3 people must weigh more than 400 but less than 550. From what I saw, they do weigh the groups before they are even allowed to climb the stairs to the ride.

I was there in mid July and almost rode the ride with my 12 year old and 15 year old but we did not want to wait in line.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: kim carnes on August 08, 2016, 01:54:53 PM
I need to understand what was different about this raft/boy/operator than the thousands before it.

He wasn't as lucky as those other people.

(i.e. It was dangerous the whole time and this kid just happened to be on the one time it killed someone.)

Ya ok
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: pissclams on August 08, 2016, 01:55:05 PM
not that it matters because this will never go to trial but kansas tort limits non-economic damages at $300k
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: kim carnes on August 08, 2016, 02:09:04 PM
not that it matters because this will never go to trial but kansas tort limits non-economic damages at $300k

Sorry man, we won't rest until schlitterbahn is shutdown
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: SkinnyBenny on August 08, 2016, 02:10:28 PM
not that it matters because this will never go to trial but kansas tort limits non-economic damages at $300k

Damn. Kinda think the family deserves more than that. Like a lot more.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: star seed 7 on August 08, 2016, 02:12:16 PM
How do you know the kid wasn't being a dumbass, which is usually the case on a ride fatality?
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: AppleJack on August 08, 2016, 02:17:05 PM
yeah I need more facts.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: pissclams on August 08, 2016, 02:17:22 PM
not that it matters because this will never go to trial but kansas tort limits non-economic damages at $300k

Damn. Kinda think the family deserves more than that. Like a lot more.

they'll get more.  i can't find the voting record on SB 311 (Link (http://www.kslegislature.org/li_2014/b2013_14/measures/documents/summary_sb_311_2014.pdf)), but read that the victim's dad voted those limits into law.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: pissclams on August 08, 2016, 02:18:29 PM
How do you know the kid wasn't being a dumbass, which is usually the case on a ride fatality?

these rides are supposed to have dumbass countermeasures built into them
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: steve dave on August 08, 2016, 02:19:45 PM
if there's one thing an amusement park should safely be able to rely on it's people not acting like dumbasses at their amusement park
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Cire on August 08, 2016, 02:21:27 PM
Victims dad is a good brownback soldier so of course he voted for those limits.


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Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Cire on August 08, 2016, 02:22:01 PM
I mean works of fun has had people die and survived


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Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: star seed 7 on August 08, 2016, 02:24:06 PM
Should the slide people sue the family for lost business if this kid was being a dumbass?
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 08, 2016, 02:27:18 PM
Victims dad is a good brownback soldier so of course he voted for those limits.


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Title: Schlitterbahn
Post by: catastrophe on August 08, 2016, 02:44:21 PM
not that it matters because this will never go to trial but kansas tort limits non-economic damages at $300k

Too lazy to confirm, but those limits look like they apply to wrongful death actions. I think this could fall under products liability (not sure, though).
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: CNS on August 08, 2016, 02:50:52 PM
98.1 is saying this afternoon that lots of ppl are texting in saying that they rode the slide this summer and the velcro straps came undone, and would not refasten adequately, so that they effectively were not strapped in during the ride.  To be clear, they aren't reporting one way or the other if the kid left the raft, or if the raft left the ride.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: mocat on August 08, 2016, 03:10:11 PM
velcro straps? velcro?
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on August 08, 2016, 03:13:11 PM
velcro straps? velcro?

I think the technical term is hook and loop closure. Don't start implicating Velcro until we know if it is really Velcro brand hook and loop closure.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on August 08, 2016, 03:25:55 PM
velcro straps? velcro?

yes, they have to be easily removed should a raft flip over to prevent drowning
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: WildcatNkilt on August 08, 2016, 05:33:40 PM
News said two ladies on the raft were sisters and received facial injuries.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: puniraptor on August 08, 2016, 07:34:37 PM
Witness reports that he was ejected from the raft up into the netting
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: The Big Train on August 08, 2016, 07:43:31 PM
http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article94429257.html
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Tobias on August 08, 2016, 07:48:28 PM
i hope these were two rather large sisters
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: CNS on August 08, 2016, 08:00:41 PM
Seems weird the sisters would be hurt if he was ejected.

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Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: star seed 7 on August 08, 2016, 08:01:20 PM
Seems weird the sisters would be hurt if he was ejected.

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ever been hit in the face with a 10yr olds head?
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: CNS on August 08, 2016, 08:47:18 PM
That would bruise my soul

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Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Phil Titola on August 08, 2016, 08:59:23 PM
velcro straps? velcro?

yes, they have to be easily removed should a raft flip over to prevent drowning

I guess but damn velcro on a 17 story plunge that goes that fast?  Seems if you can't build the safety measures to account for both speed and drowning, maybe it shouldn't have been built :ck:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Missouriscribe on August 08, 2016, 09:08:35 PM
not that it matters because this will never go to trial but kansas tort limits non-economic damages at $300k

Too lazy to confirm, but those limits look like they apply to wrongful death actions. I think this could fall under products liability (not sure, though).

Couldn't the economic damages be significant in his case?  If his Dad is a state lawmaker, couldn't they argue the kid was lined up to be pretty successful in the job market for 40ish years?
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: puniraptor on August 08, 2016, 09:35:39 PM
Velcro absolutely degrades over time. Strap replacement schedule will be of interest here. Also if the kid was too thin and there wasn't enough contact area where the straps Velcro together
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: kim carnes on August 08, 2016, 09:36:38 PM
not that it matters because this will never go to trial but kansas tort limits non-economic damages at $300k

Too lazy to confirm, but those limits look like they apply to wrongful death actions. I think this could fall under products liability (not sure, though).

Couldn't the economic damages be significant in his case?  If his Dad is a state lawmaker, couldn't they argue the kid was lined up to be pretty successful in the job market for 40ish years?

Ya, his wife and kids are going to miss out on that income
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Missouriscribe on August 08, 2016, 09:39:40 PM
not that it matters because this will never go to trial but kansas tort limits non-economic damages at $300k

Too lazy to confirm, but those limits look like they apply to wrongful death actions. I think this could fall under products liability (not sure, though).

Couldn't the economic damages be significant in his case?  If his Dad is a state lawmaker, couldn't they argue the kid was lined up to be pretty successful in the job market for 40ish years?

Ya, his wife and kids are going to miss out on that income

Sorry - guess this conversation is above your level. shocker!
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: kim carnes on August 08, 2016, 09:42:02 PM
not that it matters because this will never go to trial but kansas tort limits non-economic damages at $300k

Too lazy to confirm, but those limits look like they apply to wrongful death actions. I think this could fall under products liability (not sure, though).

Couldn't the economic damages be significant in his case?  If his Dad is a state lawmaker, couldn't they argue the kid was lined up to be pretty successful in the job market for 40ish years?

Ya, his wife and kids are going to miss out on that income

Sorry - guess this conversation is above your level. shocker!

Ya I mean I'm not a lawyer but I think what you're suggesting is going to be a tough sell bc it's completely ludicrous
Title: Schlitterbahn
Post by: kso_FAN on August 08, 2016, 10:29:55 PM
Velcro absolutely degrades over time. Strap replacement schedule will be of interest here. Also if the kid was too thin and there wasn't enough contact area where the straps Velcro together

With a 10 year old boy and 2 women on the ride, it's very unlikely they reached the 400 pound limit. It seems like this will be a big factor in this.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: SkinnyBenny on August 08, 2016, 10:56:19 PM
What was their procedure for checking weight? Do they have a scale? Do they just let the teenage employee eyeball it? Never been.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: wetwillie on August 08, 2016, 11:00:08 PM
2 adult females and a ten year old boy average out to be exactly 400 pounds.  I had heard the raft was weighed twice prior to going down the slide but don't know that for sure.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: puniraptor on August 09, 2016, 01:39:10 AM
I could also see the effect of a very light person in the front and heavy person in the back being overlooked. The front could have bucked up a little in a water, air, or track bump and then caught major lift.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: bucket on August 09, 2016, 07:21:29 AM
2 adult females and a ten year old boy average out to be exactly 400 pounds.  I had heard the raft was weighed twice prior to going down the slide but don't know that for sure.

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The combined weight of riders per raft must be between 400 and 550 pounds. Riders are weighed at the bottom of the tower and again at the top.

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article94254507.html
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Canary on August 09, 2016, 08:02:04 AM
I just hope that all the dads and moms on here take a moment to show your kids a bit of extra love today.  They are taken away from us so suddenly and tragically.  Make sure they know you love them, regardless of their ages. Really feel badly for the family.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: 8manpick on August 09, 2016, 08:04:52 AM
Velcro absolutely degrades over time. Strap replacement schedule will be of interest here. Also if the kid was too thin and there wasn't enough contact area where the straps Velcro together

With a 10 year old boy and 2 women on the ride, it's very unlikely they reached the 400 pound limit. It seems like this will be a big factor in this.
You must not spend much time at Midwestern water parks
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: kso_FAN on August 09, 2016, 08:15:20 AM
Velcro absolutely degrades over time. Strap replacement schedule will be of interest here. Also if the kid was too thin and there wasn't enough contact area where the straps Velcro together

With a 10 year old boy and 2 women on the ride, it's very unlikely they reached the 400 pound limit. It seems like this will be a big factor in this.
You must not spend much time at Midwestern water parks

True. I was just at Schlitterbahn in mid July.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Emo EMAW on August 09, 2016, 09:11:40 AM
I wonder if the pressure of the rafts are checked and how often.  I would bet that under differing weights and pressures the raft could flex more or less and be more likely to become airborne depending on a combination of variables.  A raft with the same amount of air in it would have different pressures at park open time and 3PM on a hot summer day. 

Also, safety should have been designed into the slide so that even dumbasses can use it and not get themselves or others killed.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: ednksu on August 09, 2016, 09:15:59 AM
not that it matters because this will never go to trial but kansas tort limits non-economic damages at $300k

Too lazy to confirm, but those limits look like they apply to wrongful death actions. I think this could fall under products liability (not sure, though).

Couldn't the economic damages be significant in his case?  If his Dad is a state lawmaker, couldn't they argue the kid was lined up to be pretty successful in the job market for 40ish years?

Ya, his wife and kids are going to miss out on that income
Jesus Christ dude.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: ednksu on August 09, 2016, 09:18:17 AM
How any insurance company allowed this thing to be opened is beyond me.  Let alone after all the initial issues with the raft going airborne.  But installing that netting that looks more like a cheese grater?  JFC someone royally mumped up the design and 'fixes' along the way.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: wetwillie on August 09, 2016, 09:53:13 AM
Velcro absolutely degrades over time. Strap replacement schedule will be of interest here. Also if the kid was too thin and there wasn't enough contact area where the straps Velcro together

With a 10 year old boy and 2 women on the ride, it's very unlikely they reached the 400 pound limit. It seems like this will be a big factor in this.
You must not spend much time at Midwestern water parks

True. I was just at Schlitterbahn in mid July.

Did you ride that death trap? 
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Phil Titola on August 09, 2016, 09:55:49 AM
You would think if the stated minimum weight was 400...then the real safe minimum weight would be like 325 to 350...not 399. If that ends up being a fsctor...shame on this place.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: yoga-like_abana on August 09, 2016, 10:16:03 AM
Feel bad also for the 18 year old kids that were working that slide
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: DQ12 on August 09, 2016, 01:15:05 PM
not that it matters because this will never go to trial but kansas tort limits non-economic damages at $300k

Too lazy to confirm, but those limits look like they apply to wrongful death actions. I think this could fall under products liability (not sure, though).

Couldn't the economic damages be significant in his case?  If his Dad is a state lawmaker, couldn't they argue the kid was lined up to be pretty successful in the job market for 40ish years?

Ya, his wife and kids are going to miss out on that income
Jesus Christ dude.
well...he's right.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: CNS on August 09, 2016, 01:49:41 PM
NY Daily News:
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The famous water slide where a 10-year-old Kansas boy died from a neck injury hasn’t been inspected by the state since its troubled opening two years ago, according to government records.

Documents obtained by the Kansas City Star show the Kansas Department of Labor, which oversees amusement parks, never sent an inspector to the Verrückt slide since it debuted in July 2014.

Instead, the Kansas City attraction — which holds the Guinness World Record for tallest water slide — was only checked by certified inspectors at the Schlitterbahn water park.

Those inspectors, though, were not required to send their reports to the state.

I am going to try to find it, but I saw a quote yesterday from the park manager saying that the slide is inspected at the beginning and end of each season, by an outside inspector, and daily by onsite staff.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: star seed 7 on August 09, 2016, 01:56:48 PM
They inspect for cracked welds, deformities, etc... not safety practices

(I'm pretty sure)
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: mocat on August 09, 2016, 01:58:22 PM
yeah
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: CNS on August 09, 2016, 02:02:05 PM
channel 41 posted on FB that they were locked out of the dept of labor when trying to get access to the inspection records.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on August 09, 2016, 02:07:57 PM
They inspect for cracked welds, deformities, etc... not safety practices

(I'm pretty sure)

Yeah, and they definitely are not doing a fluid dynamics analysis to see what would happen if a specific weight (underweight?) of passengers were on the ride.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: star seed 7 on August 09, 2016, 02:10:18 PM
No, the field inspector wouldn't do that
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: CNS on August 09, 2016, 02:16:08 PM
Is there not protocol for safety inspection for things like this?  I mean, elevators have one, escalators have one, etc.   
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on August 09, 2016, 02:20:42 PM
IMO, this is probably not a safety inspection issue but rather a design safety issue. (Unless the kid running the ride let something way outside of the rules go. But then it's a procedure safety issue which inspecting the ride itself isn't going to fix.)
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: CNS on August 09, 2016, 02:29:18 PM
Well, if the velcro is worn out(which a whole lot of ppl have been saying is, from their own personal ride experience recently), and if the ride is safe with functional velcro, I would say this could definitely be looked at as an inspection, maintenance, and repair issue.
Title: Schlitterbahn
Post by: catastrophe on August 09, 2016, 02:30:01 PM
Wouldn't the inspector just be there to ensure the death trap continued to work as designed?
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: star seed 7 on August 09, 2016, 02:32:03 PM
Well, if the velcro is worn out(which a whole lot of ppl have been saying is, from their own personal ride experience recently), and if the ride is safe with functional velcro, I would say this could definitely be looked at as an inspection, maintenance, and repair issue.

That should be part of the daily inspection, I doubt very much any state inspector (or contractor) would be looking at that.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Trim on August 09, 2016, 02:36:48 PM
Anyone going to the grand reopening tomorrow?
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on August 09, 2016, 02:38:55 PM
Well, if the velcro is worn out(which a whole lot of ppl have been saying is, from their own personal ride experience recently), and if the ride is safe with functional velcro, I would say this could definitely be looked at as an inspection, maintenance, and repair issue.

They should have determined the life expectancy of the hook-and-loop closure system and determined an appropriate inspection interval and method to guarantee finding it before it became so worn out that it would not function properly. So the flaw is in the design of the inspection.

My understanding is that there are not any national regulations on the design and/or inspection of amusements rides.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on August 09, 2016, 02:39:47 PM
Anyone going to the grand reopening tomorrow?

I guess we could go there instead of Double Shift next Saturday.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: kim carnes on August 09, 2016, 02:46:07 PM
not that it matters because this will never go to trial but kansas tort limits non-economic damages at $300k

Too lazy to confirm, but those limits look like they apply to wrongful death actions. I think this could fall under products liability (not sure, though).

Couldn't the economic damages be significant in his case?  If his Dad is a state lawmaker, couldn't they argue the kid was lined up to be pretty successful in the job market for 40ish years?

Ya, his wife and kids are going to miss out on that income

Sorry - guess this conversation is above your level. shocker!

Apparently it isn't
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: The Big Train on August 09, 2016, 03:41:22 PM
They inspect for cracked welds, deformities, etc... not safety practices

(I'm pretty sure)

Yeah, and they definitely are not doing a fluid dynamics analysis to see what would happen if a specific weight (underweight?) of passengers were on the ride.

Wouldn't it be a hydrodynamics analysis tho?  I mean I usually deal with quantum mechanics and general relativity but I like to dabble in other branches of physics too.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: XocolateThundarr on August 09, 2016, 04:01:01 PM
Anyone going to the grand reopening tomorrow?

I guess we could go there instead of Double Shift next Saturday.

(https://media.riffsy.com/images/464f3b490b06d5be7c50c0503b853b9d/raw)
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on August 09, 2016, 04:13:25 PM
They inspect for cracked welds, deformities, etc... not safety practices

(I'm pretty sure)

Yeah, and they definitely are not doing a fluid dynamics analysis to see what would happen if a specific weight (underweight?) of passengers were on the ride.

Wouldn't it be a hydrodynamics analysis tho?  I mean I usually deal with quantum mechanics and general relativity but I like to dabble in other branches of physics too.

The raft is moving through water and air - both are fluids.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: The Big Train on August 09, 2016, 04:19:42 PM
They inspect for cracked welds, deformities, etc... not safety practices

(I'm pretty sure)

Yeah, and they definitely are not doing a fluid dynamics analysis to see what would happen if a specific weight (underweight?) of passengers were on the ride.

Wouldn't it be a hydrodynamics analysis tho?  I mean I usually deal with quantum mechanics and general relativity but I like to dabble in other branches of physics too.

The raft is moving through water and air - both are fluids.

The raft starts at the crest of the wave and is attracted towards the trough by gravity, while it is in contact with the water(making it a solid body).  Once it reaches the trough the force exerted by the water changes directions and forces it back towards the next crest of the wave.  Meaning that this would be hydrodynamics.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: catastrophe on August 09, 2016, 04:31:22 PM
The hydrodynamics seem like the least problematic part of the whole thing? :dunno:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: ednksu on August 09, 2016, 05:01:40 PM
stuff and things that make for a long quote

There is stating the obvious, and then there is doing it like a dick.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on August 09, 2016, 06:38:38 PM
The hydrodynamics seem like the least problematic part of the whole thing? :dunno:

Right. The aerodynamics are definitely in play here - hence my use of the more general term fluid dynamics.

I'm just speculating here but it could be that the designer thought this was a hydrodynamics problem and ignored the aerodynamics.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: star seed 7 on August 09, 2016, 06:39:55 PM
Lol
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: kim carnes on August 09, 2016, 06:55:11 PM
stuff and things that make for a long quote

There is stating the obvious, and then there is doing it like a dick.

No one understands what your dumbass is trying to say
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: The Big Train on August 09, 2016, 07:31:00 PM
The hydrodynamics seem like the least problematic part of the whole thing? :dunno:

Right. The aerodynamics are definitely in play here - hence my use of the more general term fluid dynamics.

I'm just speculating here but it could be that the designer thought this was a hydrodynamics problem and ignored the aerodynamics.

:D
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: michigancat on August 09, 2016, 07:43:23 PM
Regarding inspections, has this been shared?

http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2016/08/08/a_boy_died_on_a_water_slide_in_kansas_one_of_many_states_that_barely_regulates.html
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: The Big Train on August 09, 2016, 08:11:55 PM
I haven't ridden it in like 10 years but the Typhoon(Tsunami?) at oceans of fun didn't ever have seat belts I don't think.  I remember riding it when I was younger and coming out of my seat a few times
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: CNS on August 09, 2016, 09:30:06 PM
65 mph.  17 stories

Sent from my SM-G900T using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: meow meow on August 09, 2016, 10:16:43 PM
I haven't ridden it in like 10 years but the Typhoon(Tsunami?) at oceans of fun didn't ever have seat belts I don't think.  I remember riding it when I was younger and coming out of my seat a few times

 :lol:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: DQ12 on August 10, 2016, 09:00:39 AM
monsoon?
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on August 10, 2016, 09:02:41 AM
I haven't ridden it in like 10 years but the Typhoon(Tsunami?) at oceans of fun didn't ever have seat belts I don't think.  I remember riding it when I was younger and coming out of my seat a few times

i rememeber being like 7 or 8 and almost coming off the side of the Python Plunge at WOF.    Low sides and inflatable rafts are a bad mix.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: The Big Train on August 10, 2016, 09:13:04 AM
monsoon?

Yes! I knew it was something like that
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: mocat on August 10, 2016, 09:13:45 AM
is everyone for sure about the verruckt rafts being inflatable?
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 10, 2016, 09:14:59 AM
I've almost died at oceans of fun like 30 times. My dimensions aren't meant for water slides. My legs have come over the ledge on open face slides and my body lifted up on one of those straight down hill slides. eff water parks. I don't do slides unless they're totally enclosed anymore.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: CNS on August 10, 2016, 09:19:34 AM
I've almost died at oceans of fun like 30 times. My dimensions aren't meant for water slides. My legs have come over the ledge on open face slides and my body lifted up on one of those straight down hill slides. eff water parks. I don't do slides unless they're totally enclosed anymore now that I am over the age of 30.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: puniraptor on August 10, 2016, 09:23:28 AM
I think I got a concussion on that toilet bowl slide at Kenwood Cove
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: ArchE_Cat on August 10, 2016, 10:14:49 AM
Insano in Brazil:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2228551/Insano-Brazil-Worlds-tallest-scariest-water-slide-high-14-storey-building.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2228551/Insano-Brazil-Worlds-tallest-scariest-water-slide-high-14-storey-building.html)
134 ft, 65 mph, no raft
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: mocat on August 10, 2016, 10:18:17 AM
Insano in Brazil:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2228551/Insano-Brazil-Worlds-tallest-scariest-water-slide-high-14-storey-building.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2228551/Insano-Brazil-Worlds-tallest-scariest-water-slide-high-14-storey-building.html)
134 ft, 65 mph, no raft

Quote
Constructed in 1989

 :sdeek:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Cartierfor3 on August 10, 2016, 10:20:41 AM
i can't get this thing out of my minds eye guys.  :frown:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Tobias on August 10, 2016, 10:22:21 AM
I too am coming to grips with a bearded puni-san being ejected from the bowels of kenwood cove
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: jeans on August 10, 2016, 10:22:35 AM
i can't get this thing out of my minds eye guys.  :frown:
i don't like water


*jeans*
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 10, 2016, 10:27:59 AM
I've almost died at oceans of fun like 30 times. My dimensions aren't meant for water slides. My legs have come over the ledge on open face slides and my body lifted up on one of those straight down hill slides. eff water parks. I don't do slides unless they're totally enclosed anymore now that I am over the age of 30.
I told Mrs wacky I wanted to stay at great wolf lodge for a night to play in their pool and she called me a pedo. Said we'd have to borrow a kid to make that happen.  :frown:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Cartierfor3 on August 10, 2016, 10:29:48 AM
IRL friend WC if you want to take my kids to a water park knock yourself out
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Cartierfor3 on August 10, 2016, 10:30:01 AM
jk
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 10, 2016, 10:32:20 AM
 :frown:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Cartierfor3 on August 10, 2016, 10:33:42 AM
WC you want your water park experience to be a booze filled booby gaze. Kids will slow your roll
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 10, 2016, 10:35:07 AM
Good point. Man tho. One of my favorite childhood memories was playing tarzan from rope to rope at one of those parks across the water. I mean, what a rush!
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: star seed 7 on August 10, 2016, 10:35:27 AM
Like kids don't like booze and boobs, gmafb cf3 smdh
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Cartierfor3 on August 10, 2016, 10:40:22 AM
Good point. Man tho. One of my favorite childhood memories was playing tarzan from rope to rope at one of those parks across the water. I mean, what a rush!

WC get your ass to a water park ASAP and relive that memory. That's an order
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 10, 2016, 10:41:27 AM
 :excited:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: jeans on August 10, 2016, 12:10:57 PM
Like kids don't like booze and boobs, gmafb cf3 smdh
pussification of the us of a continues


*jeans*
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: pissclams on August 10, 2016, 12:52:25 PM
water parks, skin cancer, and urine...what's not to like?
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on August 10, 2016, 01:00:52 PM
Well this article is now actually saying he was decapitated.
/news/nation-world/source-boy-was-decapitated-on-waterslide-at-kansas-park-08-10-2016
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: DQ12 on August 10, 2016, 01:09:19 PM
nailed it, Mrs. Gooch.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on August 10, 2016, 01:27:02 PM
nailed it, Mrs. Gooch.

That link didn't work for you?  :lol:

Try this one.
http://ktul.com/news/nation-world/source-boy-was-decapitated-on-waterslide-at-kansas-park-08-10-2016
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: chum1 on August 10, 2016, 01:33:36 PM
Sounds like a horror movie. Like, the raft came down to the bottom with a bloody, headless body in it and then the head rolled down the slide behind it moments later.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: wetwillie on August 10, 2016, 01:39:50 PM
Sounds like a horror movie. Like, the raft came down to the bottom with a bloody, headless body in it and then the head rolled down the slide behind it moments later.

I don't think I'd ever function properly again if I was his parents at the bottom of that slide
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: MakeItRain on August 10, 2016, 01:50:11 PM
I'm choosing to believe that he was internally decapitated and not what you guys are visualizing.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on August 10, 2016, 01:56:18 PM
I'm choosing to believe that he was internally decapitated and not what you guys are visualizing.

I don't think the bystanders would report it as decapitated if that were the case.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 10, 2016, 01:59:41 PM
My coworker has been calling the net around the slide "the human cheese grater" before the incident for quite some time now. He feels like a jackass now.

 :sdeek:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on August 10, 2016, 02:00:25 PM
My coworker has been calling the net around the slide "the human cheese grater" before the incident for quite some time. He feels like a jackass now.

 :sdeek:

More like a prophet of death.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 10, 2016, 02:06:33 PM
My coworker has been calling the net around the slide "the human cheese grater" before the incident for quite some time. He feels like a jackass now.

 :sdeek:

More like a prophet of death.
He said after it happened, he had like 15 texts from friends saying "Holy eff, man! You called it!"
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on August 10, 2016, 02:10:16 PM
My coworker has been calling the net around the slide "the human cheese grater" before the incident for quite some time. He feels like a jackass now.

 :sdeek:

More like a prophet of death.
He said after it happened, he had like 15 texts from friends saying "Holy eff, man! You called it!"

Ask him what other amusement park rides he thinks are unsafe.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 10, 2016, 02:13:43 PM
Will do.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on August 10, 2016, 02:24:22 PM
Somebody's going to die on that thing this year, right?

Stevesie was a little premature on his prediction.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on August 10, 2016, 03:22:52 PM
I'm choosing to believe that he was internally decapitated and not what you guys are visualizing.

I don't think the bystanders would report it as decapitated if that were the case.

unfortunately the reports I heard and the photo of the tarps over the slide lead me to believe it was not an internal decap.    Plus the blood.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: MakeItRain on August 10, 2016, 05:34:38 PM
uuuuuuuuuuggggggggggghhhhhhhh
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: puniraptor on August 10, 2016, 05:50:51 PM
The park reopening article in the star is really rough ridin' stupid and full of idiots.

"Accidents happen" gmafb

"God has a plan for everything" :barf:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: mocat on August 10, 2016, 05:51:48 PM
i was supposed to go to a bday party this saturday but assumed it would be cancelled. apparently it's still on  :blindfold:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 10, 2016, 07:14:23 PM
i was supposed to go to a bday party this saturday but assumed it would be cancelled. apparently it's still on  :blindfold:

I bet the lines are pretty short.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: catastrophe on August 10, 2016, 09:37:04 PM
Might take awhile to get across the picket line though.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on August 10, 2016, 09:55:47 PM
They should close that park and bulldoze it. I know I'll never go now. The picture of that kid and knowing what happened. crap man.  :frown:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 10, 2016, 10:02:25 PM
Mrs. Wacky just told me one of the first responders who were there (family), said the one of the brothers were waiting for him to come down. First thing that showed was his head, then the girl riders, and his body after that. :frown:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: The Big Train on August 10, 2016, 10:03:17 PM
http://abc7ny.com/news/gruesome-details-revealed-in-boys-water-slide-death/1461927/
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Phil Titola on August 10, 2016, 10:05:28 PM
They should close that park and bulldoze it. I know I'll never go now. The picture of that kid and knowing what happened. crap man.  :frown:

Here...now you won't be able to go to Worlds of Fun either

http://fox4kc.com/2016/08/09/mom-of-girl-who-died-at-worlds-of-fun-in-1995-empathizes-with-family-of-boy-killed-at-schlitterbahn/
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on August 10, 2016, 10:24:57 PM
They should close that park and bulldoze it. I know I'll never go now. The picture of that kid and knowing what happened. crap man.  :frown:

Here...now you won't be able to go to Worlds of Fun either

http://fox4kc.com/2016/08/09/mom-of-girl-who-died-at-worlds-of-fun-in-1995-empathizes-with-family-of-boy-killed-at-schlitterbahn/

That sounds like a sad story too, but the kid that just died is the same age as my son and played traveling baseball for a team that I've seen at tournaments that we've been at. Two very different stories for me.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on August 10, 2016, 10:28:21 PM
This is just another reason not to have kids. If you don't have any kids then they can't get killed at an amusement park.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Phil Titola on August 10, 2016, 10:35:54 PM
This is just another reason not to have kids. If you don't have any kids then they can't get killed at an amusement park.

Wasn't in my reasoning but pretty airtight argument here.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: eastcat on August 11, 2016, 01:21:40 AM
It reopened?? It's like a nazi grave site or something.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on August 11, 2016, 01:31:56 PM
http://herviewfromhome.com/to-the-parents-of-caleb-schwab-the-boy-who-was-killed-on-the-worlds-tallest-waterslide/

WTF lady, they don't need you using this tragedy to attract traffic to your blogsite.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Emo EMAW on August 11, 2016, 01:35:50 PM
I'm Lauren and I'm a work-in-progress farmer's wife, coffee addict, follower of Jesus and a recovering perfectionist. When I don't have my two toddlers attached at my hip, you can find me bringing meals into the fields, dancing in my kitchen, making our house a home and chatting over a piece of pie with my girl friends. I'm doing my best to live my life intentionally seeking all that God has for me and my family.
Follow me at www.theeberspachers.blogspot.com

Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on August 11, 2016, 04:03:38 PM
Mrs. Wacky just told me one of the first responders who were there (family), said the one of the brothers were waiting for him to come down. First thing that showed was his head, then the girl riders, and his body after that. :frown:

that matches the photo available of the scene
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: mhkpasa on August 12, 2016, 07:18:22 AM
Mrs. Wacky just told me one of the first responders who were there (family), said the one of the brothers were waiting for him to come down. First thing that showed was his head, then the girl riders, and his body after that. :frown:

that matches the photo available of the scene

 :blindfold:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: chum1 on August 12, 2016, 08:21:27 AM
I may be a bad person, but I'm not going to stop imagining of ways that would be physically possible.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: puniraptor on August 12, 2016, 10:09:38 AM
It's not. No way the head came down first. Pure imagination. *also not a bad person*
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 12, 2016, 10:23:56 AM
It's not. No way the head came down first. Pure imagination. *also not a bad person*

I think the netting makes all sorts of scenarios possible.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 12, 2016, 10:25:00 AM
Yeah, the body could have flipped after impact.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: CNS on August 12, 2016, 10:34:31 AM
The ladies in the raft were in the middle and rear seats and were treated for facial injuries.  It seems obvious that either the body or head came back and struck them.  Given that, who knows what could have been directed where after hitting their faces.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Emo EMAW on August 12, 2016, 11:31:14 AM
Guys, just stop. 
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: XocolateThundarr on August 12, 2016, 11:49:42 AM
My 11 yr old daughter is at WOF and OOF with her friend this weekend.  With everything that has happened lately I'm a nervous wreck.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Gooch on August 12, 2016, 02:29:49 PM
My 11 yr old daughter is at WOF and OOF with her friend this weekend.  With everything that has happened lately I'm a nervous wreck.
What if I told you she was hundreds more times likely to have something bad happen to her on the drive home than actually at the parks? Would that make you feel better?
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: star seed 7 on August 12, 2016, 03:59:18 PM
My 11 yr old daughter is at WOF and OOF with her friend this weekend.  With everything that has happened lately I'm a nervous wreck.
What if I told you she was hundreds more times likely to have something bad happen to her on the drive home than actually at the parks? Would that make you feel better?

Also millions of times more likely to just have a fun time with no bad stuff
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Trim on August 12, 2016, 04:35:06 PM
My 11 yr old daughter is at WOF and OOF with her friend this weekend.  With everything that has happened lately I'm a nervous wreck.
What if I told you she was hundreds more times likely to have something bad happen to her on the drive home than actually at the parks? Would that make you feel better?

I was on the interstate yesterday and saw a ways ahead that there was a yard sign like this laying in the road a ways ahead.

(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.partyworksoutlet.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F03%2FCenter-yard-signs.png&hash=aed45ad02e9233ef509d8dbb444693e9e5bce3f1)

Car in front of me and a lane to my left runs it over, shooting it behind the car and airborne right at me, cow in twister style.  Good thing I had my windshield up or I'd have been beheaded too. 
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: XocolateThundarr on August 12, 2016, 05:24:29 PM
My 11 yr old daughter is at WOF and OOF with her friend this weekend.  With everything that has happened lately I'm a nervous wreck.
What if I told you she was hundreds more times likely to have something bad happen to her on the drive home than actually at the parks? Would that make you feel better?

I know, I know......
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Phil Titola on August 16, 2016, 04:41:02 PM
Really light kid in the front seat, two bigger ladies in the back sounds like it was a contributing factor to this.... That's gotta be hard to swallow for the ladies.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Trim on August 16, 2016, 04:48:43 PM
two bigger ladies in the back .... That's gotta be hard to swallow for the ladies.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/lfoC8HjUQlQT6/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Trim on August 16, 2016, 11:06:52 PM
Quote
Police said 73-pound Caleb Schwab sat in the front seat of the raft, while a woman weighing 197 pounds and another woman weighing 275 pounds occupied the next two seats, respectively.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article95909677.html#storylink=cpy
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: puniraptor on August 17, 2016, 12:13:20 AM
They better have tested it 100 times with a 500 lb person in the back and a 30 lb person in the front.

This thing wasn't engineered. No safety factor and countless uncontrolled variables. This backyard bubbatecture abomination needs to burned to the ground immediately and schlitterbahn needs to be sued into joyland. 
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: puniraptor on August 17, 2016, 12:17:12 AM
Also the state agency that required the net with rigid steel supports needs to be brownbacked tomorrow.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Trim on August 17, 2016, 12:37:35 AM
I'm starting to think the 2 women are as much to blame as anyone.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Phil Titola on August 17, 2016, 07:04:40 AM
Also the state agency that required the net with rigid steel supports needs to be brownbacked tomorrow.

I think KCK officials required that.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: star seed 7 on August 17, 2016, 07:53:41 AM
Quote
Police said 73-pound Caleb Schwab sat in the front seat of the raft, while a woman weighing 197 pounds and another woman weighing 275 pounds occupied the next two seats, respectively.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article95909677.html#storylink=cpy

  :sdeek:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: mocat on August 17, 2016, 08:07:03 AM
obesity can even kill non-obese people
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: SdK on August 17, 2016, 08:13:33 AM
Oh my
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Phil Titola on August 17, 2016, 08:17:00 AM
Put this in the shame thread but I found them on Facebook as I was interested in what ladies of that stature profile pics looked like....
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Tobias on August 17, 2016, 08:17:23 AM
i hope these were two rather large sisters

confirmed
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Emo EMAW on August 17, 2016, 08:18:51 AM
Obesity should be a crime.  At least obesity in public.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: SdK on August 17, 2016, 08:19:47 AM
Put this in the shame thread but I found them on Facebook as I was interested in what ladies of that stature profile pics looked like....
Post pics!
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: kslim on August 17, 2016, 08:28:04 AM
My 11 yr old daughter is at WOF and OOF with her friend this weekend.  With everything that has happened lately I'm a nervous wreck.
What if I told you she was hundreds more times likely to have something bad happen to her on the drive home than actually at the parks? Would that make you feel better?

I was on the interstate yesterday and saw a ways ahead that there was a yard sign like this laying in the road a ways ahead.

(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.partyworksoutlet.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F03%2FCenter-yard-signs.png&hash=aed45ad02e9233ef509d8dbb444693e9e5bce3f1)

Car in front of me and a lane to my left runs it over, shooting it behind the car and airborne right at me, cow in twister style.  Good thing I had my windshield up or I'd have been beheaded too.
really glad you made it out okay.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: star seed 7 on August 17, 2016, 08:54:02 AM
Obesity should be a crime.  At least obesity in public.

 :cry:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Trim on August 17, 2016, 09:01:49 AM
really glad you made it out okay.

It's been a bit of a hassle, but seems to be on track now.  Car goes in Monday to get all fixed up.  No deductible for flying cows or yard signs.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Emo EMAW on August 17, 2016, 09:12:50 AM
Obesity should be a crime.  At least obesity in public.

 :cry:

I'd be willing to agree to make going in public without vaccines a crime if the fatties could meet me halfway on this.  There would be exemptions for doctor verified conditions of course. 

While we're at it, no smoking in public, no body odor in public, no butt crack showing in public, and of course no Nickelback (music played or t-shirts worn).
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Trim on August 17, 2016, 09:23:57 AM
Can someone who's been there break down the weigh'n process to me?  Is it discreet?  Awkward?  Is there a bunch of mixing and matching of disproportionately weighed people to come up with 3 people fitting in their 400-550 pound window?  Are the staff members there put in a position of borderline insulting people when allocating raft spots? 
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Phil Titola on August 17, 2016, 09:27:02 AM
Weighed and put into three lines.... Small, medium, XL.... Three mediums put into raft together... One small, two XL put in rafts together in alternating order
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Trim on August 17, 2016, 09:29:28 AM
Weighed and put into three lines.... Small, medium, XL.... Three mediums put into raft together... One small, two XL put in rafts together in alternating order

What's your estimate on the weight ranges for each lines? 

Lol at no "large."
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: mocat on August 17, 2016, 09:33:42 AM
Can someone who's been there break down the weigh'n process to me?  Is it discreet?  Awkward?  Is there a bunch of mixing and matching of disproportionately weighed people to come up with 3 people fitting in their 400-550 pound window?  Are the staff members there put in a position of borderline insulting people when allocating raft spots?

as i understand it, three people are weighed together, not individually
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: kslim on August 17, 2016, 09:38:12 AM
Can someone who's been there break down the weigh'n process to me?  Is it discreet?  Awkward?  Is there a bunch of mixing and matching of disproportionately weighed people to come up with 3 people fitting in their 400-550 pound window?  Are the staff members there put in a position of borderline insulting people when allocating raft spots?

as i understand it, three people are weighed together, not individually
"oh hey sure you two weigh collectively 490 lbs, that baby is completely safe now"

rough ridin' idiots
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Phil Titola on August 17, 2016, 09:38:25 AM
Weighed and put into three lines.... Small, medium, XL.... Three mediums put into raft together... One small, two XL put in rafts together in alternating order

What's your estimate on the weight ranges for each lines? 

Lol at no "large."

 :peek:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: kslim on August 17, 2016, 09:39:47 AM
really glad you made it out okay.

It's been a bit of a hassle, but seems to be on track now.  Car goes in Monday to get all fixed up.  No deductible for flying cows or yard signs.
the real people to blame here are sign people. just the worst
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Trim on August 17, 2016, 09:42:45 AM
Can someone who's been there break down the weigh'n process to me?  Is it discreet?  Awkward?  Is there a bunch of mixing and matching of disproportionately weighed people to come up with 3 people fitting in their 400-550 pound window?  Are the staff members there put in a position of borderline insulting people when allocating raft spots?

as i understand it, three people are weighed together, not individually

Seems like it would be both, individually at the outset to categorize people into the lines PT described, and then together before riding to make sure grouping people from the categories added up correctly.

So does there end up being an XL line w/tons of somewhat regular dudes and a handful of XL women sprinkled in?  What I'm envisioning at this point is that XL women subject themselves to increasing levels of fat-shame'n as they await the opportunity to ride, culminating with the almost-final humiliation of getting grouped with some random mini-person in order to fall under the safe parameters of what 3 regular people (shout j_rake) should weigh for the ride.  Then when the absolute final humiliation comes of them being told the mini-person has to sit in the middle to even out their weight, they're not having it and the summer worker isn't about to have that argument.  Is that how it goes?
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Trim on August 17, 2016, 09:43:56 AM
really glad you made it out okay.

It's been a bit of a hassle, but seems to be on track now.  Car goes in Monday to get all fixed up.  No deductible for flying cows or yard signs.
the real people to blame here are sign people. just the worst

I think it was red and probably had "____% off" on it.  Couldn't catch the #.  Very likely could've been a leftover sports authority sign.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: kslim on August 17, 2016, 09:44:49 AM
you know whats worse than fat people? wet fat people
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on August 17, 2016, 10:48:19 AM
Obesity should be a crime.  At least obesity in public.

Absolutely.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 17, 2016, 10:51:08 AM
Obesity should be a crime.  At least obesity in public.

Absolutely.
Not fair. You do blow to stay skinny.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on August 17, 2016, 10:53:08 AM
Not fair. You do blow to stay skinny.

No.

My days of cocaine use are way behind me.  Also, doing coke to stay skinny isn't a good strategy.  I exercise to stay in shape (I'm not skinny). 
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: CNS on August 17, 2016, 11:40:14 AM
If places of biz had the correct view of the change in demographics, fat ppl will be the only ppl allowed in public/their businesses, and they will ban skinny ppl for making all the fat ppl feel bad.  I mean, you guys have seen the trend, right?   
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Emo EMAW on August 17, 2016, 11:45:05 AM
Except the correlation between fat and poor is positive.  So I guess this is a poverty issue too.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: CNS on August 17, 2016, 12:04:23 PM
Saw a thing yesterday showing that the avg woman now ways what the avg man did in the 60's. 

I wouldn't limit myself to considering marketing to fat ppl if I was biz offering luxury products. 
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on August 17, 2016, 04:33:05 PM
They better have tested it 100 times with a 500 lb person in the back and a 30 lb person in the front.

This thing wasn't engineered. No safety factor and countless uncontrolled variables. This backyard bubbatecture abomination needs to burned to the ground immediately and schlitterbahn needs to be sued into joyland.

it was engineered.    Fully engineered design would have been required by their insurer, the permit office, etc.   But sometimes designs fail or don't account for every possible factor
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Phil Titola on August 17, 2016, 05:00:11 PM
If this is truly due to all the weight being center and to the back, whoever "engineered" it better already be out of the country.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 18, 2016, 08:10:37 AM
Every water ride I've ever been on puts all of the heavy people in the back.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on August 18, 2016, 08:14:35 AM
Every water ride I've ever been on puts all of the heavy people in the back.

I went on roughly 30 different waterslides last week. not lying. some of them specifically made bigger people get in the front and some specifically had bigger people in the back. sometimes these were even rides that were side by side but with different rules and the rules were always very clear and written in multiple places and the park employees would correct people that were messing it up. bigger person placement seems to be pretty important at some waterparks/rides. maybe it wasn't at this one, but it is at others. big person placement seemd to be about 50/50 front vs back.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Emo EMAW on August 18, 2016, 08:32:17 AM
If this is truly due to all the weight being center and to the back, whoever "engineered" it better already be out of the country.

Some engineer put their PE stamp on it, and he/she is mumped if the staff did their part in getting the right weight range on board.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on August 18, 2016, 08:47:04 AM
Every water ride I've ever been on puts all of the heavy people in the back.

many of them with pools at the end don't because they don't want the raft to submarine, they want it to skim across and make the end of the pflume
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: kso_FAN on August 18, 2016, 09:32:55 AM
Regardless of where the bigger people sit and if that was a factor, a person of any weight shouldn't be able to fly out of their seat. Ever.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: CNS on August 18, 2016, 09:56:25 AM
That's a fat joke!

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Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 18, 2016, 09:59:16 AM
Regardless of where the bigger people sit and if that was a factor, a person of any weight shouldn't be able to fly out of their seat. Ever.

Yeah. This ride should have just been torn down and forgotten about way back when it was first built and test rafts were flying off the track.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: kso_FAN on August 18, 2016, 10:45:23 AM
Regardless of where the bigger people sit and if that was a factor, a person of any weight shouldn't be able to fly out of their seat. Ever.

Yeah. This ride should have just been torn down and forgotten about way back when it was first built and test rafts were flying off the track.

Honestly, at the time I thought that was all part of the hype/PR/advertising for the ride. By "letting that info get out", they were only building up the ride and I thought "no way can this thing really be this dangerous, that would never be allowed to happen".

I guess I was way wrong on that one.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: ShellShock on August 19, 2016, 09:25:12 AM
If this is truly due to all the weight being center and to the back, whoever "engineered" it better already be out of the country.

Some engineer put their PE stamp on it, and he/she is mumped if the staff did their part in getting the right weight range on board.

False. The only PE stamps required for stuff like this (in KS at least - California, Ohio and Florida might have different requirements based on the density of parks) are the structural engineer, civil engineer and the MEP engineer. The structural engineer holds no liability for the operation of the ride, just the structural soundness of the physical ride itself. Did the ride topple over and fall to the ground? No.

These attractions hire a firm to design the rides, but they often times aren't licensed professional engineers due to the (somewhat) loose restrictions on designing rides. Most of the rides in the US are all designed by the same 2 or 3 firms. I've had to deal with them before on certain projects i've been associated with.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: CNS on August 19, 2016, 09:42:51 AM
That makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: mocat on August 19, 2016, 09:48:49 AM
i'm not sure what kind of engineer would stamp the "engineering" that emo emaw is talking about. certainly not the structural engineer.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: ArchE_Cat on August 19, 2016, 10:10:59 AM
If this is truly due to all the weight being center and to the back, whoever "engineered" it better already be out of the country.

Some engineer put their PE stamp on it, and he/she is mumped if the staff did their part in getting the right weight range on board.

False. The only PE stamps required for stuff like this (in KS at least - California, Ohio and Florida might have different requirements based on the density of parks) are the structural engineer, civil engineer and the MEP engineer. The structural engineer holds no liability for the operation of the ride, just the structural soundness of the physical ride itself. Did the ride topple over and fall to the ground? No.

These attractions hire a firm to design the rides, but they often times aren't licensed professional engineers due to the (somewhat) loose restrictions on designing rides. Most of the rides in the US are all designed by the same 2 or 3 firms. I've had to deal with them before on certain projects i've been associated with.

Can confirm. As a structural engineer I've done structural design for a couple of the major players in the aquatics industry. Ride path design for your run-of-the-mill slide is not done by an engineer at all. Most of the design is done by a designer doing a 3D model of the slide based on that company's catalog of slide parts. It's a fairly empirical process.They know the total elevation drop and keep the slope of the slide within a certain range. Never, ever stamped a drawing with ride path design on it. Having worked with a certain infamous family of water parks, I never knew them to use one of the major slide designers for their slides. The same company often bought previously used "ordinary" slides. The most northern location for this company did an expansion and the slide fiberglass and platform came from a defunct water park in a city known for gambling.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Emo EMAW on August 19, 2016, 10:26:24 AM
i'm not sure what kind of engineer would stamp the "engineering" that emo emaw is talking about. certainly not the structural engineer.

I was thinking a mechanical engineer.  But, it's not like an electrial engineer can't stamp a drawing for an HVAC system or something (a PE is a PE is a PE).
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: CNS on August 19, 2016, 10:27:42 AM
I am sure mech stamps for pump design, etc, but still not for ride purposes.   Just that the volume, pressure, etc will be whatever rates they were asked to design to.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Emo EMAW on August 19, 2016, 10:30:56 AM
I was thinking that surely someone would require a PE stamp to make this thing go live, be it regulatory or insurance or something.  I thought wrong apparently (which is pretty scary).
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: The Big Train on August 19, 2016, 10:38:08 AM
gE should have been consulted on this thing, our ~10 residents PE's would have thrown this thing to the curb before they even bought materials
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: mocat on August 19, 2016, 11:00:44 AM
i'm not sure what kind of engineer would stamp the "engineering" that emo emaw is talking about. certainly not the structural engineer.

I was thinking a mechanical engineer.  But, it's not like an electrial engineer can't stamp a drawing for an HVAC system or something (a PE is a PE is a PE).

no MEP engineer would stamp somebody else's ride design drawings tho.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: mocat on August 19, 2016, 11:01:42 AM
the worst case risk scenario for an MEP engineer would go from "it's a little hot in here" or "it's a little dim in this room" to "people may die"
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Emo EMAW on August 19, 2016, 11:05:24 AM
i'm not sure what kind of engineer would stamp the "engineering" that emo emaw is talking about. certainly not the structural engineer.

I was thinking a mechanical engineer.  But, it's not like an electrial engineer can't stamp a drawing for an HVAC system or something (a PE is a PE is a PE).

no MEP engineer would stamp somebody else's ride design drawings tho.

I was thinking a mechanical engineer would design the ride and stamp his own design.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on August 19, 2016, 11:41:01 AM
i'm not sure what kind of engineer would stamp the "engineering" that emo emaw is talking about. certainly not the structural engineer.

Fluid Dynamics Engineer, obv.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Emo EMAW on August 19, 2016, 11:51:31 AM
Why is mocat confusing mechanical engineer with MEP?  Does he not recognize a difference?
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Trim on August 19, 2016, 11:52:24 AM
How's business out there?
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: mocat on August 19, 2016, 11:57:56 AM
Why is mocat confusing mechanical engineer with MEP?  Does he not recognize a difference?

bc you brought up HVAC
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: The Big Train on August 19, 2016, 12:01:58 PM
i'm not sure what kind of engineer would stamp the "engineering" that emo emaw is talking about. certainly not the structural engineer.

Fluid Dynamics Engineer, obv.

Smdhmdh
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Emo EMAW on August 19, 2016, 12:34:40 PM
Why is mocat confusing mechanical engineer with MEP?  Does he not recognize a difference?

bc you brought up HVAC

Not specific to this issue, it was as an example.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Phil Titola on August 19, 2016, 12:45:08 PM
Sounds like some of you need to get back to Durand.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: The Big Train on August 19, 2016, 12:46:10 PM
Sounds like some of you need to get back to Durand.

:confused:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Phil Titola on August 19, 2016, 01:29:46 PM
Sounds like some of you need to get back to Durand.

:confused:

Durland? No idea where you engineering brains studied
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Yard Dog on August 19, 2016, 02:09:54 PM
Sounds like some of you need to get back to Durand.

:confused:

Durland? No idea where you engineering brains studied

Fiedler I think? I don't know, my memory is all fuzzy after spending six years breathing in asbestos over in Willard.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: The Big Train on August 19, 2016, 02:11:42 PM
Sounds like some of you need to get back to Durand.

:confused:

Durland? No idea where you engineering brains studied

Fiedler I think? I don't know, my memory is all fuzzy after spending six years breathing in asbestos over in Willard.

Fiedler is the library and Rathbone is the other building beside Durland.  Just FYI
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: ShellShock on August 19, 2016, 03:05:39 PM
I am sure mech stamps for pump design, etc, but still not for ride purposes.   Just that the volume, pressure, etc will be whatever rates they were asked to design to.

This is basically how it works. The mechanical engineer gets drawings from the aquatics folks stating flows/pressures/etc. that they need at certain points of the ride. It's just plug and play from our end on that sort of thing. It's also the same way with Food Service Consultants and large commercial kitchens.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Emo EMAW on August 19, 2016, 03:07:09 PM
Do the projectile motion calculations not need a stamp?  I'm assuming not at this point.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: mhkpasa on November 23, 2016, 12:51:51 PM
http://fox4kc.com/2016/11/22/schlitterbahn-announces-intent-to-close-verruckt-water-slide-following-august-death-of-caleb-schwab/ (http://fox4kc.com/2016/11/22/schlitterbahn-announces-intent-to-close-verruckt-water-slide-following-august-death-of-caleb-schwab/)

Death trap coming down
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: CNS on November 23, 2016, 01:10:54 PM
you should totally buy it and put it up in your back yard.  I bet it goes cheap.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: SkinnyBenny on May 28, 2017, 06:30:23 PM
Has this been posted yet?

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article148513129.html
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: WarmYellowLight on May 28, 2017, 09:44:40 PM
How do they come up with the figures in these cases? Like how much is a life worth?

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Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 29, 2017, 06:57:43 AM
Weren't resident assholes literally joking the family wouldn't get crap because of some stupid punitive damage limits that backwards Kansas allegedly  has? 
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: wetwillie on May 29, 2017, 07:35:19 AM
I think they are going to have to pay out quite a bit more to the other people who witnessed the event for mental pain and suffering
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on May 29, 2017, 08:43:57 AM
Weren't resident assholes literally joking the family wouldn't get crap because of some stupid punitive damage limits that backwards Kansas allegedly  has?

That is pretty normal and the SCOTUS has even limited punis.

They are outlawed in white trash meccas like Nebraska and Washington
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on May 31, 2017, 01:43:05 PM
How do they come up with the figures in these cases? Like how much is a life worth?

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actuaries can calculate all sorts of things like the value of a life based on age and expected earnings, etc.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Cartierfor3 on May 31, 2017, 01:53:14 PM
the 2 girls on the raft with him got some $ I hope
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: kim carnes on May 31, 2017, 06:02:46 PM
Isn't them being overweight what caused his death?
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: kim carnes on May 31, 2017, 06:03:47 PM
And negligence on the part of the staff
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 01, 2017, 10:16:28 AM
also a lack of safety measures in the engineering
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: michigancat on June 01, 2017, 11:22:47 AM
also a lack of safety measures in the engineering

state should also be sued for doing a shitty job regulating
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Spracne on June 01, 2017, 07:21:02 PM
also a lack of safety measures in the engineering

state should also be sued for doing a shitty job regulating

Well, they can't be (unless they've consented to being sued). Do you really think it would be a good idea to open up the courts to suits against states for regulating too little or too much?
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: michigancat on June 01, 2017, 09:13:41 PM
also a lack of safety measures in the engineering

state should also be sued for doing a shitty job regulating

Well, they can't be (unless they've consented to being sued). Do you really think it would be a good idea to open up the courts to suits against states for regulating too little or too much?
when you aren't a law student it makes sense. I know it won't happen but still
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: wetwillie on June 01, 2017, 09:15:33 PM
also a lack of safety measures in the engineering

state should also be sued for doing a shitty job regulating

Well, they can't be (unless they've consented to being sued). Do you really think it would be a good idea to open up the courts to suits against states for regulating too little or too much?
when you aren't a law student it makes sense. I know it won't happen but still

 :horrorsurprise:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 02, 2017, 08:35:59 AM
also a lack of safety measures in the engineering

state should also be sued for doing a shitty job regulating

Well, they can't be (unless they've consented to being sued). Do you really think it would be a good idea to open up the courts to suits against states for regulating too little or too much?

I think you should be able to sue anyone for anything. I do think it would be bad if the courts would rule against the state in a case like this, though.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: pissclams on June 02, 2017, 08:41:05 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhjBlPucpd0
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Kat Kid on March 23, 2018, 06:04:33 PM
https://twitter.com/mattdpearce/status/977310384842420224

HOLY crap READ THIS THREAD
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: The Big Train on March 23, 2018, 06:09:29 PM
i have a feeling somebody on goEMAW works at the structural firm that did/does the schlitterbahn work  :peek:

:sdeek:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: The Big Train on March 23, 2018, 06:17:43 PM
https://twitter.com/mattdpearce/status/977310384842420224

HOLY crap READ THIS THREAD

Jesus Christ :sdeek:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: chum1 on March 23, 2018, 06:58:43 PM
Unbelievable
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Spracne on March 23, 2018, 07:03:39 PM
Insurance might not be able to insulate them.

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Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: 8manpick on March 23, 2018, 10:00:07 PM
They should burn
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: steve dave on March 23, 2018, 10:14:31 PM
There’s not really much to burn but that’s the end for them


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Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: puniraptor on March 23, 2018, 11:26:12 PM
criminal
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: OK_Cat on March 23, 2018, 11:36:16 PM
That’s insane


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Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Phil Titola on March 24, 2018, 12:00:20 PM
Very bad people run that company.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: ben ji on March 25, 2018, 10:24:49 AM
You can read the whole indictment here and holy moly schlitterbahn is F'd

https://www.wycocourtks.org/uploads/4/4/1/2/4412070/2018-03-21_indictment__miles_swkc__filed_redacted.pdf


The raft the kid was on had over 10 maintenance reports and had been taken out of service multiple times for injuring guests before the kid died. The notes basically read "Raft b2 went airborne for no reason" "Boat B taken out of service today because it kept coming down the runout too fast and injuring guests"

2 days before the kid died there was a maintenance log saying "Boat b requires less air than other boats in order to go down slower"

Also the braking system was out of order that day and apparently was out of order alot.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: michigancat on March 25, 2018, 10:34:35 AM
I really don't think I ever want to go to an amusement park or water park again after reading that crap
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: wetwillie on March 25, 2018, 10:53:23 AM
Is there a regulatory body that oversees amusement parks and such? I mean it had to have passed some kind of government inspection to the point where someone was satisfied enough that it was going to be safe. 
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: michigancat on March 25, 2018, 10:54:31 AM
Is there a regulatory body that oversees amusement parks and such? I mean it had to have passed some kind of government inspection to the point where someone was satisfied enough that it was going to be safe.
Pretty sure Kansas free marketed that department out of existence or something
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: wetwillie on March 25, 2018, 11:01:04 AM
Kansas Department of Labor, Division of Industrial Safety and Health

Terri Sanchez, Director

Allegedly it falls under this department’s jurisdiction.  After my five minutes of research your assertion that never going to an an amusement park again feels right.  No federal oversight exists and the states appear to be very lax in their authority and enforcement.

Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Pete on March 25, 2018, 12:19:42 PM
You communists can take my guns and bibles, and regulate my amusement parks over my cold dead body.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Phil Titola on March 25, 2018, 03:16:49 PM
Kansas Department of Labor, Division of Industrial Safety and Health

Terri Sanchez, Director

Allegedly it falls under this department’s jurisdiction.  After my five minutes of research your assertion that never going to an an amusement park again feels right.  No federal oversight exists and the states appear to be very lax in their authority and enforcement.

I remember reading KS (& MO) have pretty lax rules and enforcement at amusement parks...which is a factor in building this kid killer here and moving one of the new rides to WoF from another state that basically banned the ride due to not meeting their standards.

wof - http://www.kctv5.com/story/25019013/troubled-thrill-ride-relocated-to-worlds-of-fun-set-to-open
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: GregKSU1027 on March 26, 2018, 09:01:39 AM
Schliterbahn is boned.

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Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: mhkpasa on March 26, 2018, 04:49:58 PM
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Jeff Henry, the co-owner of Schlitterbahn, was arrested on Monday in Cameron County, Texas, on charges related to the 2016 death of a 10-year-old boy on a water slide in Kansas.

Officials in Cameron County, which is the southernmost county in Texas, said Henry was arrested on a Kansas warrant.

"He was arrested by U.S. Marshals out of Brownsville," Texas, said Capt. Javier Reyna of the Cameron County Sheriff's Office.

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Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Phil Titola on March 26, 2018, 05:35:36 PM
 :horrorsurprise:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: 8manpick on March 26, 2018, 05:38:00 PM
So was he attempting to flee the country, or does he happen to have a ranch down there?
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: pissclams on March 26, 2018, 06:27:26 PM
seems like a competent attorney could really hold the state to task for allowing these guys to do what they did, which seems to be within the state’s rules
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: wetwillie on March 26, 2018, 06:46:27 PM
seems like a competent attorney could really hold the state to task for allowing these guys to do what they did, which seems to be within the state’s rules

Who is “the state”?  I’m hoping you mean the governor that was in office at the time it was approved.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: BW on March 26, 2018, 09:54:17 PM
So was he attempting to flee the country, or does he happen to have a ranch down there?
There's a Schlitterbahn on South Padre Island... so maybe that.

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Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 27, 2018, 09:50:57 AM
seems like a competent attorney could really hold the state to task for allowing these guys to do what they did, which seems to be within the state’s rules

Who is “the state”?  I’m hoping you mean the governor that was in office at the time it was approved.

The father of the kid was one of the people who allowed these guys to do what they did, so I don't expect him to press charges against the state.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: HerrSonntag on March 27, 2018, 12:20:30 PM
Putting the owner of a waterpark in an orange jumpsuit and hauling him to a federal jail has to be definition of criminal justice theater.

You put people in jail to protect society from them, did they think he was going to go around building rogue deadly waterslides if left loose on the public?
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 27, 2018, 01:10:42 PM
Putting the owner of a waterpark in an orange jumpsuit and hauling him to a federal jail has to be definition of criminal justice theater.

You put people in jail to protect society from them, did they think he was going to go around building rogue deadly waterslides if left loose on the public?

I generally agree, but you have to do something to deter other water park owners from failing to follow the nonexistent safety regulations this state has imposed.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 27, 2018, 01:49:25 PM
Like destroying their business and forcing them into bankruptcy and a life of depleted opportunities after doing so?
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Phil Titola on March 27, 2018, 02:55:44 PM
Putting the owner of a waterpark in an orange jumpsuit and hauling him to a federal jail has to be definition of criminal justice theater.

You put people in jail to protect society from them, did they think he was going to go around building rogue deadly waterslides if left loose on the public?

I generally agree, but you have to do something to deter other water park owners from failing to follow the nonexistent safety regulations this state has imposed.
Really the state should be charged for lack of standards and or enforcement...I don't know how any of that works so don't @ me with "but how" details....I dunno!
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Phil Titola on March 27, 2018, 02:56:19 PM
Like destroying their business and forcing them into bankruptcy and a life of depleted opportunities after doing so?
What should happen to them wacks?
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 27, 2018, 02:58:28 PM
IDK, but locking  them away with real murders is not the answer. Their lives are already mumped as it is.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Phil Titola on March 27, 2018, 03:00:25 PM
IDK, but locking  them away with real murders is not the answer. Their lives are already mumped as it is.
You said forcing them into bankruptcy like it was a bad thing.... you didn't post anything about jail.

So no monetary penalty...no jail time....just wondering what you were thinking they should do with them.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 27, 2018, 03:14:42 PM
IDK, but locking  them away with real murders is not the answer. Their lives are already mumped as it is.
You said forcing them into bankruptcy like it was a bad thing.... you didn't post anything about jail.

So no monetary penalty...no jail time....just wondering what you were thinking they should do with them.

Depends on whether they committed a crime
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: pissclams on March 27, 2018, 03:52:45 PM
seems like a competent attorney could really hold the state to task for allowing these guys to do what they did, which seems to be within the state’s rules

Who is “the state”?  I’m hoping you mean the governor that was in office at the time it was approved.

The father of the kid was one of the people who allowed these guys to do what they did, so I don't expect him to press charges against the state.
that guy isn’t the only possible plaintiff
hell I could sue them, they did a shitty job protecting the people of kansas and the water park people worked inside the state’s unsafe margins
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Spracne on March 27, 2018, 03:56:01 PM
Probs can't sue the state here. But given the state's contributory negligence, I feel that the criminal sanctions are a bit heavy handed.

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Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: puniraptor on March 27, 2018, 04:10:49 PM
Good reminder that the systems we assume are in place to protect us might not exist.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on March 27, 2018, 04:41:53 PM
Probs can't sue the state here. But given the state's contributory negligence, I feel that the criminal sanctions are a bit heavy handed.

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What do you expect the state to do?   They are there to verify things are in working order that exist, so while they may have caught and corrected the braking system issues (and even that is a stetch given that typically this is an annual inspection basis), they aren't cracking the engineering books and verifying a ride isn't going to decapitate a 9 year old.    The lack of state inspection here is really fairly overstated.   The ride was inspected upon opening by the state and passed due to the above reasons.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: michigancat on March 27, 2018, 04:44:50 PM
Good reminder that the systems we assume are in place to protect us might not exist.

yep
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Spracne on March 27, 2018, 05:01:23 PM
Probs can't sue the state here. But given the state's contributory negligence, I feel that the criminal sanctions are a bit heavy handed.

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What do you expect the state to do?   They are there to verify things are in working order that exist, so while they may have caught and corrected the braking system issues (and even that is a stetch given that typically this is an annual inspection basis), they aren't cracking the engineering books and verifying a ride isn't going to decapitate a 9 year old.    The lack of state inspection here is really fairly overstated.   The ride was inspected upon opening by the state and passed due to the above reasons.

That the ride was inspected and passed such inspection should counsel against criminal prosecution. While I'm not saying the State needs to have its own engineers sign off on individual ride designs*, would it be so hard to require attestations that new rides were engineered by, uhh, professional engineers?

*Although really, how burdensome would that be? It's not like there are that many new amusement park rides built in Kansas on a yearly basis. The real motivation would be avoiding liability, or at least the appearance of liability (because 11th Amendment).
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: pissclams on March 27, 2018, 05:04:10 PM
what structural engineer stamped these plans?  you can’t build something like this without that can you?
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: 8manpick on March 27, 2018, 05:10:36 PM
what structural engineer stamped these plans?  you can’t build something like this without that can you?
I mean, the structure didn't fall down
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: mocat on March 27, 2018, 05:25:01 PM
what structural engineer stamped these plans?  you can’t build something like this without that can you?
There is nothing wrong with the structure
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: pissclams on March 27, 2018, 05:28:34 PM
it operated as intended?
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: mhkpasa on March 27, 2018, 05:31:54 PM
it operated as intended?

The portion that a structural engineer stamped, yes. To this day.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: michigancat on March 27, 2018, 05:32:35 PM
we got some hardcore PE's on goEMAW
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: mhkpasa on March 27, 2018, 05:37:19 PM
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The indictment details fourteen injuries suffered by guests who rode the slide. The first report was of a fourteen-year-old’s concussion in 2014. Other injured riders included a 46-year-old man whose eye was swollen shut after his raft collided with a concrete wall (which led operations manager Miles, according to the indictment, to force medical staff to alter their reports), and the ten-year-old Schwab, whose injury is described in the document as “decapitation.”

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Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: cfbandyman on March 27, 2018, 05:38:58 PM
we got some hardcore PE's on goEMAW

You gotta know how to protect your ass.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on March 27, 2018, 05:41:20 PM
They should probably take the part about Verruckt out of the Ohio University amusement park online engineering degree section.

https://onlinemasters.ohio.edu/amusement-park-and-roller-coaster-engineering/
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: pissclams on March 27, 2018, 05:48:56 PM
it operated as intended?

The portion that a structural engineer stamped, yes. To this day.
how so?  they just go to school to say something won’t blow over in the wind?
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on March 27, 2018, 06:03:03 PM
it operated as intended?

The portion that a structural engineer stamped, yes. To this day.
how so?  they just go to school to say something won’t blow over in the wind?

Also the impact of the body coming back down onto the slide did not knock it down.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: pissclams on March 27, 2018, 06:12:58 PM
ya it's pretty sad how the engineers are flocking to this thread to cya
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: HerrSonntag on March 27, 2018, 06:26:29 PM
IDK, but locking  them away with real murders is not the answer. Their lives are already mumped as it is.
You said forcing them into bankruptcy like it was a bad thing.... you didn't post anything about jail.

So no monetary penalty...no jail time....just wondering what you were thinking they should do with them.

Depends on whether they committed a crime
Putting the owner of a waterpark in an orange jumpsuit and hauling him to a federal jail has to be definition of criminal justice theater.

You put people in jail to protect society from them, did they think he was going to go around building rogue deadly waterslides if left loose on the public?

I generally agree, but you have to do something to deter other water park owners from failing to follow the nonexistent safety regulations this state has imposed.
Really the state should be charged for lack of standards and or enforcement...I don't know how any of that works so don't @ me with "but how" details....I dunno!

I'm not saying building a criminally negligent structure shouldn't land a person in prison.  No, if a jury of your peers thinks you belong in prison for what you've done i don't see a problem with that.  What i think is ridiculous is the spectacle of dragging the guy down to get booked and throwing him in an orange jumper for a mug shot to blast around.  Its not like the guy was on the lamb and needed to be brought in, just pure theater/
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: The Big Train on March 27, 2018, 06:29:41 PM
Wouldn’t this be more on the hydrodynamics engineer(I feel like we’ve already had this discussion).  Also how many mechanical engineers does it take to defend a structural engineer?
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: CHONGS on March 27, 2018, 06:30:55 PM
ya it's pretty sad how the engineers are flocking to this thread to cya
It's shocking really.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Trim on March 27, 2018, 07:01:24 PM
What i think is ridiculous is the spectacle of dragging the guy down to get booked and throwing him in an orange jumper for a mug shot to blast around.  Its not like the guy was on the lamb and needed to be brought in, just pure theater/

I've got some bad news for you about how some law enforcement agencies operate.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: IPA4Me on March 27, 2018, 07:03:51 PM
Can't be setting a precedent on the gE court. Tort law will but you in the ass.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: puniraptor on March 27, 2018, 07:15:44 PM
Wouldn’t this be more on the hydrodynamics engineer(I feel like we’ve already had this discussion).  Also how many mechanical engineers does it take to defend a structural engineer?

did you read the things?

the dynamics of the actual ride were not engineered, just trial and error cobbled together by bubbas

Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: The Big Train on March 27, 2018, 07:17:52 PM
Wouldn’t this be more on the hydrodynamics engineer(I feel like we’ve already had this discussion).  Also how many mechanical engineers does it take to defend a structural engineer?

did you read the things?

the dynamics of the actual ride were not engineered, just trial and error cobbled together by bubbas

That's the joke puni
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on March 27, 2018, 07:26:17 PM
Yes we have had this discussion before and I pointed out that it would be fluid dynamics since the raft traveled through water and air.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: mhkpasa on March 27, 2018, 07:28:24 PM
 :buh-bye:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: puniraptor on March 27, 2018, 07:30:51 PM
Wouldn’t this be more on the hydrodynamics engineer(I feel like we’ve already had this discussion).  Also how many mechanical engineers does it take to defend a structural engineer?

did you read the things?

the dynamics of the actual ride were not engineered, just trial and error cobbled together by bubbas

That's the joke puni

ok I obviously don't get clams' joke either
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Phil Titola on March 27, 2018, 07:51:44 PM
Wouldn’t this be more on the hydrodynamics engineer(I feel like we’ve already had this discussion).  Also how many mechanical engineers does it take to defend a structural engineer?
Lol we can't pay for all that....it's just a slide
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: The Big Train on March 27, 2018, 08:04:44 PM
Wouldn’t this be more on the hydrodynamics engineer(I feel like we’ve already had this discussion).  Also how many mechanical engineers does it take to defend a structural engineer?
Lol we can't pay for all that....it's just a slide

Kinetic friction should be the same regardless of the surfaces that are touching, obviously.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Spracne on March 27, 2018, 08:46:56 PM
How to kill a thread: a Master's course, from Prof. TBT

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Title: Schlitterbahn
Post by: The Big Train on March 27, 2018, 08:54:22 PM
How to kill a thread: a Master's course, from Prof. TBT

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Looking back at this thread your student law talks effectively killed this thread last June.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: mocat on March 27, 2018, 09:05:37 PM
How to kill a thread: a Master's course, from Prof. TBT

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lol
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: wetwillie on March 27, 2018, 09:09:04 PM
The Dr. is in
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 27, 2018, 09:41:37 PM
The part about Newton being wrong about how fast the raft would go down this slide was easily my favorite part of what I read from the twitter thread.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 27, 2018, 10:00:22 PM
Just assumed the settlement was so excessive in exchange for some agreement not to do this.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: The Big Train on March 27, 2018, 10:39:20 PM
How to kill a thread: a Master's course, from Prof. TBT

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lol

A PE who doesn’t know how derivatives work.  :lol:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Spracne on March 27, 2018, 10:43:00 PM
Smack train a-comin': How to talk crap seminar, from Dr. Choo-Choo

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Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: The Big Train on March 27, 2018, 10:57:33 PM
Smack train a-comin': How to talk crap seminar, from Dr. Choo-Choo

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I’m interested what my post-doc name would be.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Spracne on March 27, 2018, 11:01:11 PM
Dr. Rivative

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Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: The Big Train on March 27, 2018, 11:03:53 PM
Dr. Rivative

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Your recursive crap posting is very riveting, I assume it will continue....
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Spracne on March 27, 2018, 11:18:18 PM
You ruin all the fun.

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Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: pissclams on March 27, 2018, 11:25:24 PM
day 1 of engineering school:  write “i didn’t do it” a thousand times
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 28, 2018, 08:28:36 AM
You didn't even need those incident reports to see this coming. There was rough ridin' video out there of sleds flying off the goddamn slide from the get go. Anybody with half a brain saw this coming. You don't need bullshit science smack talk to discover that this was a bad idea. Those dudes shouldn't be in jail tho.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: mocat on March 28, 2018, 08:42:58 AM
the fact that clams is having difficulty understanding who to blame is kind of the problem here. there should be a federal testing agency for all amusement park rides. and there already is! but not for water slides, for some reason.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: CHONGS on March 28, 2018, 08:52:57 AM
If its determined that these guys broke a law that can result in jail time, then they 100% should go to jail.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 28, 2018, 09:06:59 AM
If its determined that these guys broke a law that can result in jail time, then they 100% should go to jail.
That makes sense, but whoever gave the go on this project should be held responsible. Who's the final person to sign off on this death trap?
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 28, 2018, 09:09:38 AM
If its determined that these guys broke a law that can result in jail time, then they 100% should go to jail.
That makes sense, but whoever gave the go on this project should be held responsible. Who's the final person to sign off on this death trap?

Nobody signed off on it. They just built a big slide and then tweaked the brakes and ramps and stuff until most of the rafts stopped flying off of it. Then they built a big net with steel bars to catch the few remaining rafts that Newton was wrong about.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 28, 2018, 09:11:49 AM
 :lol: Well put.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: CHONGS on March 28, 2018, 09:15:47 AM
Remember, these guys gladly and greedily took in money for a product they knew was deadly and they didn't give a crap until a family had to collect their headless son at the end of the day. IMO these guys seem to "deserve" jail time more than some two-bit weed dealer.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 28, 2018, 09:17:57 AM
Remember, these guys gladly and greedily took in money for a product they knew was deadly and they didn't give a crap until a family had to collect their headless son at the end of the day. IMO these guys seem to "deserve" jail time more than some two-bit weed dealer.

I agree
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on March 28, 2018, 09:21:45 AM
Remember, these guys gladly and greedily took in money for a product they knew was deadly and they didn't give a crap until a family had to collect their headless son at the end of the day. IMO these guys seem to "deserve" jail time more than some two-bit weed dealer.

Surely there's a law about knowingly putting people in danger (regardless of whether it is on a waterslide), right....................
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 28, 2018, 10:05:56 AM
should have included a waiver of criminal prosecution in their waivers
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: cfbandyman on March 28, 2018, 10:33:02 AM
the fact that clams is having difficulty understanding who to blame is kind of the problem here. there should be a federal testing agency for all amusement park rides. and there already is! but not for water slides, for some reason.

That and failing to understand it's not the structural's job to determine if ride is tested properly. It's like blaming the structural engineer for posting the wrong off ramp speed from a highway. Not his job.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: DQ12 on March 28, 2018, 10:57:47 AM
I'm a little confused as to why people have their panties in a wad re. this guy being in jail. 
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on March 28, 2018, 11:01:57 AM
what structural engineer stamped these plans?  you can’t build something like this without that can you?

The structure itself would have been engineered and stamped, that is what the AHLJ (Authority Having Local Jurisdiction, i.e. the City or County) would review and approve in the permitting process.   The slide itsself would be assumed to be designed in accordance with whatever requirements cover it, just as if it was a garage door or other manufactured item.   

The state would have done an inspection prior to opening to look over things such as required safety equipment, egress, etc.   They also would be blind towards engineering and manufacturing aspects.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on March 28, 2018, 11:06:00 AM
You didn't even need those incident reports to see this coming. There was rough ridin' video out there of sleds flying off the goddamn slide from the get go. Anybody with half a brain saw this coming. You don't need bullshit science smack talk to discover that this was a bad idea. Those dudes shouldn't be in jail tho.

I mean, anyone can tell a plan is gonna fall outta the sky and kill people.   If you build one and knowingly let people fly on it after you are aware the engines sometime stop you shouldn't get sued and charged with a crime.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 28, 2018, 11:07:07 AM
i'm pretty sure I get the engineering guys side on this. who should be held responsible though? the park itself for allowing the ride? the ride designers? the state for allowing it to be built? I think the park ownership but I don't know that I have the law or whatever to back me up on that.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 28, 2018, 11:09:52 AM
You didn't even need those incident reports to see this coming. There was rough ridin' video out there of sleds flying off the goddamn slide from the get go. Anybody with half a brain saw this coming. You don't need bullshit science smack talk to discover that this was a bad idea. Those dudes shouldn't be in jail tho.

I mean, anyone can tell a plan is gonna fall outta the sky and kill people.   If you build one and knowingly let people fly on it after you are aware the engines sometime stop you shouldn't get sued and charged with a crime.

you should take a few minutes to explain whatever it is that you are trying to explain a little better.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on March 28, 2018, 11:12:11 AM
i'm pretty sure I get the engineering guys side on this. who should be held responsible though? the park itself for allowing the ride? the ride designers? the state for allowing it to be built? I think the park ownership but I don't know that I have the law or whatever to back me up on that.

had this been a case of they built it and the first person to ride it was decaptiated, you probably don't see these charges.   It's the wanton disregard for the safety of the public after knowing not only from testing and the initial days of operation that this thing was unsafe and the ensuing disregard once they knew that and also began covering up incidents and willfully disregarding safety measures.

Construction negligence is similar.  I as an owner of the company can be help PERSONALLY liable if OSHA or the courts find the company grossfully and willfully negligent.  If I tell someone to do something that my knowledge and training have proven to be patently unsafe I can be held responsible in addition to the company.   For example, we erect a scaffold and I know that that scaffold is rusted through and in danger or catastrophic failure and tell them to do it anyway, I can be found criminally and civilly liable.    If I build a building and knowingly and intentionally cut corners that lead to a tragedy, I can be found criminally and civilly liable.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: CHONGS on March 28, 2018, 11:22:12 AM
I'm a little confused as to why people have their panties in a wad re. this guy being in jail.
You should really @ some people. Your statement is very vague, so I can't tell if you are referring to my posts or not.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: DQ12 on March 28, 2018, 11:26:15 AM
I'm a little confused as to why people have their panties in a wad re. this guy being in jail.
You should really @ some people. Your statement is very vague, so I can't tell if you are referring to my posts or not.
i can see how my statement was vague, but i 100% agree with you. 

i'm @ing wacky and whoever agreed with him a few pages ago.  the talk about the "criminal justice theater."  i can't think of a more obvious flight risk on paper than an owner of an international company who lives in brownsville and is facing murder/manslaughter charges.

Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on March 28, 2018, 11:26:32 AM
You didn't even need those incident reports to see this coming. There was rough ridin' video out there of sleds flying off the goddamn slide from the get go. Anybody with half a brain saw this coming. You don't need bullshit science smack talk to discover that this was a bad idea. Those dudes shouldn't be in jail tho.

I mean, anyone can tell a plan is gonna fall outta the sky and kill people.   If you build one and knowingly let people fly on it after you are aware the engines sometime stop you shouldn't get sued and charged with a crime.

you should take a few minutes to explain whatever it is that you are trying to explain a little better.

It's just a response to Wacky's cavalierness.     Yes, amusement parks can be unsafe places, but people like Wacky who are excusing the facts here under the guise of "should have known better" are morons.   The public has a right to the assumption of reasonable safety.   Getting on an airplane is also inherent unsafe, but there is an expectation that safety and maintenance are important.    If an airline willfully stops maintainenance and an aircraft crashes, you can bet there will be criminal charges.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 28, 2018, 11:39:07 AM
You didn't even need those incident reports to see this coming. There was rough ridin' video out there of sleds flying off the goddamn slide from the get go. Anybody with half a brain saw this coming. You don't need bullshit science smack talk to discover that this was a bad idea. Those dudes shouldn't be in jail tho.

I mean, anyone can tell a plan is gonna fall outta the sky and kill people.   If you build one and knowingly let people fly on it after you are aware the engines sometime stop you shouldn't get sued and charged with a crime.

you should take a few minutes to explain whatever it is that you are trying to explain a little better.

It's just a response to Wacky's cavalierness.     Yes, amusement parks can be unsafe places, but people like Wacky who are excusing the facts here under the guise of "should have known better" are morons.   The public has a right to the assumption of reasonable safety.   Getting on an airplane is also inherent unsafe, but there is an expectation that safety and maintenance are important.    If an airline willfully stops maintainenance and an aircraft crashes, you can bet there will be criminal charges.

completely agree
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 28, 2018, 12:09:47 PM
If the things in this indictment are true, jail time is completely appropriate. This was not a fluke or a freak accident. As has been noted, this was gross negligence and completely preventable.

A death wasn't a matter of if, but when.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: cfbandyman on March 28, 2018, 12:57:22 PM
i'm pretty sure I get the engineering guys side on this. who should be held responsible though? the park itself for allowing the ride? the ride designers? the state for allowing it to be built? I think the park ownership but I don't know that I have the law or whatever to back me up on that.

had this been a case of they built it and the first person to ride it was decaptiated, you probably don't see these charges.   It's the wanton disregard for the safety of the public after knowing not only from testing and the initial days of operation that this thing was unsafe and the ensuing disregard once they knew that and also began covering up incidents and willfully disregarding safety measures.

Construction negligence is similar.  I as an owner of the company can be help PERSONALLY liable if OSHA or the courts find the company grossfully and willfully negligent.  If I tell someone to do something that my knowledge and training have proven to be patently unsafe I can be held responsible in addition to the company.   For example, we erect a scaffold and I know that that scaffold is rusted through and in danger or catastrophic failure and tell them to do it anyway, I can be found criminally and civilly liable.    If I build a building and knowingly and intentionally cut corners that lead to a tragedy, I can be found criminally and civilly liable.

That is it right there. It's them knowing it was unsafe after testing, and still going forward with it anyways, and touting it as "safe". And yes, that guy should be in jail. Blaming engineering or permiters of building the thing is wrong because that is not in their scope of work in this case.

The real cavalier person in all of this isn't so much Wacky IMO but the guy who said "eh, it might cause us problems allowing people this ride but YOLO" when continuing to operate it.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: mocat on March 28, 2018, 12:58:59 PM
maybe we can blame the electrical engineers? if they hadn't provided adequate power for the death slide, that kid would still be alive
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: michigancat on March 28, 2018, 12:59:29 PM
did anyone on this blog ride the thing?
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: michigancat on March 28, 2018, 12:59:56 PM
and goddam we got some touchy structural engineers

:lol:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: mocat on March 28, 2018, 01:00:29 PM
i was going to but you had to reserve your spot in line at like 8 am or some ridiculous thing
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: cfbandyman on March 28, 2018, 01:03:06 PM
and goddam we got some touchy structural engineers

:lol:

Lol if you think I'm structural
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: michigancat on March 28, 2018, 01:05:55 PM
and goddam we got some touchy structural engineers

:lol:

Lol if you think I'm structural

I honestly don't know if I was referring to you but just speaking to the overall vibe the PE's are giving off because clams is clowning on them. but I get it at the same time!
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: mocat on March 28, 2018, 01:11:14 PM
and goddam we got some touchy structural engineers

:lol:

Lol if you think I'm structural

I honestly don't know if I was referring to you but just speaking to the overall vibe the PE's are giving off because clams is clowning on them. but I get it at the same time!

yeah clams was just clowning around guys!
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 28, 2018, 01:12:54 PM
and goddam we got some touchy structural engineers

:lol:
No joke. Sheesh.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: mocat on March 28, 2018, 01:13:32 PM
should have posted it in meme form so all the PE's wouldn't get tricked!

(https://i.imgflip.com/27ba32.jpg)
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 28, 2018, 01:13:55 PM
someone who makes me uncomfortable central
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 28, 2018, 01:14:54 PM
I really liked the story about the guy who "designed" this thing bragging about it to some other guy who just broke his foot sliding down it. It really gives you a sense of the overall level of intelligence we are working with.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 28, 2018, 01:15:25 PM
Don't make fun of engineers, guys! Sheesh. You rough ridin' downgrades have no idea how hard it is.  :shakesfist:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 28, 2018, 01:16:08 PM
Don't make fun of engineers, guys! Sheesh. You rough ridin' downgrades have no idea how hard it is.  :shakesfist:

It's actually very easy. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on March 28, 2018, 01:55:50 PM
You didn't even need those incident reports to see this coming. There was rough ridin' video out there of sleds flying off the goddamn slide from the get go. Anybody with half a brain saw this coming. You don't need bullshit science smack talk to discover that this was a bad idea. Those dudes shouldn't be in jail tho.

I mean, anyone can tell a plan is gonna fall outta the sky and kill people.   If you build one and knowingly let people fly on it after you are aware the engines sometime stop you shouldn't get sued and charged with a crime.

you should take a few minutes to explain whatever it is that you are trying to explain a little better.

It's just a response to Wacky's cavalierness.     Yes, amusement parks can be unsafe places, but people like Wacky who are excusing the facts here under the guise of "should have known better" are morons.   The public has a right to the assumption of reasonable safety.   Getting on an airplane is also inherent unsafe, but there is an expectation that safety and maintenance are important.    If an airline willfully stops maintainenance and an aircraft crashes, you can bet there will be criminal charges.

It is explicitly against the law for an airplane to continue flying without the proper maintenance.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: pissclams on March 28, 2018, 01:57:41 PM
and goddam we got some touchy structural engineers

:lol:

it’s hilarious how the engineers in this thread are devoid of any guilt.  the public relied on them to keep us all safe and they failed.  I don’t see any reason to trust an engineer again.  you can expect the state to overhaul the engineering requirements asap.  hopefully they make it retroactive, as it seems many here could use a refresher course or two

if you do the crime you are going to do the time, even if you’re a white collar engineer.  this is just as bad as a gang drive by or bank robbery
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: pissclams on March 28, 2018, 02:00:21 PM
should have posted it in meme form so all the PE's wouldn't get tricked!

(https://i.imgflip.com/27ba32.jpg)

what a great meme, I bet this thing goes viral on the asap

pussy ass engineer.  kid dies, engineer makes stupid pictures and jokes
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: EMAWican on March 28, 2018, 02:03:51 PM
Hey PClams, it's time you post a pic of your PE stamp with signature and today's date.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: michigancat on March 28, 2018, 02:06:42 PM
Hey PClams, it's time you post a pic of your PE stamp with signature and today's date.
Yeah clams, you best come with your stamp or don't come at all
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Phil Titola on March 28, 2018, 02:26:18 PM
Guys I've played rollercoaster tycoon like a lot and I've killed a lot of people....and I kind of enjoyed it....I feel like I am partially to blame here.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: mocat on March 28, 2018, 02:28:15 PM
i just can't believe all of the engineers itt didn't catch on that clams was just clowning around and not asking a serious question
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Brock Landers on March 28, 2018, 02:33:00 PM
Structural engineer joke:  I stand beside my work. But not on it or under it.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Pete on March 28, 2018, 02:37:24 PM
If I build something that I know, or learn later, that is super duper dangerous and highly likely to hurt people, how am I different than a drunk driver who hurts people?
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: mocat on March 28, 2018, 02:40:27 PM
If I build something that I know, or learn later, that is super duper dangerous and highly likely to hurt people, how am I different than a drunk driver who hurts people?

THIS IS A CLOWNING AROUND TYPE QUESTION; DO NOT RESPOND
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Cire on March 28, 2018, 02:41:47 PM
https://www.injuryrelief.com/blog/how-is-representative-scott-schwab-not-a-hypocrite/

leaving here
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 28, 2018, 02:42:13 PM
If I build something that I know, or learn later, that is super duper dangerous and highly likely to hurt people, how am I different than a drunk driver who hurts people?

The drunk driver has the excuse of at least being impaired.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Phil Titola on March 28, 2018, 02:51:23 PM
My ranking of who I blame for this death slide in order (professional real serious answer here)

* Designer guy
* Owner guy
* Anybody who had knowledge of testing failures and didn't speak up
* Lack of state regulations on super tall joy rides
* Lack of enforcement of any regulations on books by state departments (including waving of those rules through agreements)
* Engineering guys for not using logic to be like...uhh guys...this doesn't look safe
* Local govt for allowing this without proper vetting
* Isaac Newton
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on March 28, 2018, 02:55:11 PM
You forgot the lawyer who tried to intimidate a 17 year old lifeguard; or are you leaving him out because that was after the death?
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Phil Titola on March 28, 2018, 02:59:07 PM
You forgot the lawyer who tried to intimidate a 17 year old lifeguard; or are you leaving him out because that was after the death?
I thought that was the owner ...but yeah at that point the death slide was fully operational.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Spracne on March 28, 2018, 03:00:06 PM
I mean, murder just seems like a bit of a stretch to me...

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Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on March 28, 2018, 03:03:25 PM
You forgot the lawyer who tried to intimidate a 17 year old lifeguard; or are you leaving him out because that was after the death?
I thought that was the owner ...but yeah at that point the death slide was fully operational.

I thought it was a lawyer acting on the owner's behalf but I could be wrong.

How about that dad that got his face smashed on a concrete wall and then let them talk him into changing his story? (At least that's what I understood from the indictment.)
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Phil Titola on March 28, 2018, 03:04:44 PM
You forgot the lawyer who tried to intimidate a 17 year old lifeguard; or are you leaving him out because that was after the death?
I thought that was the owner ...but yeah at that point the death slide was fully operational.

I thought it was a lawyer acting on the owner's behalf but I could be wrong.

How about that dad that got his face smashed on a concrete wall and then let them talk him into changing his story? (At least that's what I understood from the indictment.)
I'm listing pre construction....not fault of the kid death....but yes he would be right above Newton if I was.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 28, 2018, 03:27:21 PM
I can't believe Phil killed this kid.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Phil Titola on March 28, 2018, 03:36:23 PM
I can't believe Phil killed this kid.
Not my proudest moment on rollercoaster tycoon. Who knew when I hit "print" that meant IRL make this death slide.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 28, 2018, 03:58:16 PM
Some Plaintiffs' attorney is going to file a hilarious lawsuit on behalf of everyone who road this slide and could have gotten hurt, and who has suffered extreme emotional distress as a result of finding out they could have been hurt.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: DQ12 on March 28, 2018, 04:02:05 PM
Some Plaintiffs' attorney is going to file a hilarious lawsuit on behalf of everyone who road this slide and could have gotten hurt, and who has suffered extreme emotional distress as a result of finding out they could have been hurt.
phenomenal idea.  i'm getting the LLP docs together now. 

Limestone, Sprac?  You guys want a piece of this cla$$ action?
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: pissclams on March 28, 2018, 04:18:23 PM
i just can't believe all of the engineers itt didn't catch on that clams was just clowning around and not asking a serious question

once again, looks like ol' sleuthcat has me figured out.
can't sneak anything by this crafty lil' brown


you rough ridin' downgrade, i copied and pasted it from the idiots at phog.net, keep up the great work, dumbass
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Spracne on March 28, 2018, 04:18:53 PM
Some Plaintiffs' attorney is going to file a hilarious lawsuit on behalf of everyone who road this slide and could have gotten hurt, and who has suffered extreme emotional distress as a result of finding out they could have been hurt.
phenomenal idea.  i'm getting the LLP docs together now. 

Limestone, Sprac?  You guys want a piece of this cla$$ action?
My re-tort is a simple no.

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Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Pete on March 28, 2018, 04:19:06 PM
Some Plaintiffs' attorney is going to file a hilarious lawsuit on behalf of everyone who road this slide and could have gotten hurt, and who has suffered extreme emotional distress as a result of finding out they could have been hurt.
phenomenal idea.  i'm getting the LLP docs together now. 

Limestone, Sprac?  You guys want a piece of this cla$$ action?


Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) has some very good ideas sometimes.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: DQ12 on March 28, 2018, 04:20:20 PM
Some Plaintiffs' attorney is going to file a hilarious lawsuit on behalf of everyone who road this slide and could have gotten hurt, and who has suffered extreme emotional distress as a result of finding out they could have been hurt.
phenomenal idea.  i'm getting the LLP docs together now. 

Limestone, Sprac?  You guys want a piece of this cla$$ action?
My re-tort is a simple no.

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fine.  more lamborghinis for me and limestone.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: mocat on March 28, 2018, 04:56:10 PM
i just can't believe all of the engineers itt didn't catch on that clams was just clowning around and not asking a serious question

once again, looks like ol' sleuthcat has me figured out.
can't sneak anything by this crafty lil' brown


you rough ridin' downgrade, i copied and pasted it from the idiots at phog.net, keep up the great work, dumbass

i can't believe i ever thought you would ask such an obviously moronic question. not surprised to hear that it originated from that cesspool of yard house shift managers, et al
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: pissclams on March 28, 2018, 04:58:43 PM
if you were truly a sleuth you would have known
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Kat Kid on March 28, 2018, 05:20:20 PM
100% of the people that were bothered by this guy getting locked up have sided with cops in a dash cam video that shows them merking some guy on the side of the road because they didn't follow orders.

Seeing someone in a desk job get brought to justice is more unsettling to them.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: puniraptor on March 28, 2018, 05:32:42 PM
clams has taught me never to stamp anything ever
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Spracne on March 28, 2018, 06:08:56 PM
Good grief...

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Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Phil Titola on March 28, 2018, 06:19:18 PM
Reminds me of a news story recently that was talking about the Hyatt skywalk disaster and they said it used to be the biggest engineering disaster in the US....until 9/11 ....
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: puniraptor on March 28, 2018, 06:24:21 PM
clams has taught me never to stamp anything ever

except faces
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: puniraptor on March 28, 2018, 06:25:47 PM
Reminds me of a news story recently that was talking about the Hyatt skywalk disaster and they said it used to be the biggest engineering disaster in the US....until 9/11 ....

infowars?
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Phil Titola on March 28, 2018, 06:32:10 PM
Reminds me of a news story recently that was talking about the Hyatt skywalk disaster and they said it used to be the biggest engineering disaster in the US....until 9/11 ....

infowars?
Local news...so same quality I guess
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: puniraptor on March 28, 2018, 06:35:45 PM
the MSM is biased toward structural

what about industrial disasters?
 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_City_disaster)
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: puniraptor on March 28, 2018, 07:00:08 PM
the MSM is biased toward structural

what about industrial disasters?
 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_City_disaster)

okay, maybe that shouldn't count as an engineering disaster

but this one should!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sultana_(steamboat) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sultana_(steamboat))

Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 28, 2018, 07:44:45 PM
100% of the people that were bothered by this guy getting locked up have sided with cops in a dash cam video that shows them merking some guy on the side of the road because they didn't follow orders.

Seeing someone in a desk job get brought to justice is more unsettling to them.
:facepalm:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 28, 2018, 07:45:32 PM
i just can't believe all of the engineers itt didn't catch on that clams was just clowning around and not asking a serious question

once again, looks like ol' sleuthcat has me figured out.
can't sneak anything by this crafty lil' brown


you rough ridin' downgrade, i copied and pasted it from the idiots at phog.net, keep up the great work, dumbass
:lol:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: michigancat on March 28, 2018, 07:48:39 PM
i just can't believe all of the engineers itt didn't catch on that clams was just clowning around and not asking a serious question

once again, looks like ol' sleuthcat has me figured out.
can't sneak anything by this crafty lil' brown


you rough ridin' downgrade, i copied and pasted it from the idiots at phog.net, keep up the great work, dumbass

i can't believe i ever thought you would ask such an obviously moronic question. not surprised to hear that it originated from that cesspool of yard house shift managers, et al

:lol:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 28, 2018, 07:52:21 PM
I obviously think jail time is weird, but I don't really understand how these things work. Do you guys think they designed this thing to kill someone? I just find it weird someone is going to jail for trying to create a fun water park for ppl and now they're in jail with real killers. Do you guys think that guy who jumped from a roller coaster because a snake fell in his seat at worlds of fun should ask for the creator of that ride be put in jail because they didn't create a shield for snakes falling in the ride?
Title: Schlitterbahn
Post by: The Big Train on March 28, 2018, 08:09:50 PM
It doesn’t matter if they designed it to kill someone or not. That literally has nothing to do with anything in this specific case. They were negligent in designing it, their intend has exactly 0% to do with what is going on. I mean is that seriously an argument that is being brought up right now?
Title: Schlitterbahn
Post by: The Big Train on March 28, 2018, 08:13:27 PM
I mean that is borderline sub 70 IQ logic
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Spracne on March 28, 2018, 08:14:33 PM
It doesn’t matter if they designed it to kill someone or not. That literally has nothing to do with anything in this specific case. They were negligent in designing it, their intend has exactly 0% to do with what is going on. I mean is that seriously an argument that is being brought up right now?
Not surprised that TBT is wrong on multiple accounts, here.

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Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Spracne on March 28, 2018, 08:15:23 PM
*with respect to the murder charge (for reasons that are probably not of general interest)

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Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: The Big Train on March 28, 2018, 08:16:32 PM
It doesn’t matter if they designed it to kill someone or not. That literally has nothing to do with anything in this specific case. They were negligent in designing it, their intend has exactly 0% to do with what is going on. I mean is that seriously an argument that is being brought up right now?
Not surprised that TBT is wrong on multiple accounts, here.

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Probably in a legality light some of those things matter.  The whole argument Wacky just posted is absolutely astonishing.  IMO.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: 8manpick on March 28, 2018, 08:17:47 PM
Murder is weird, but maybe it's the same as negligent homicide in Kansas, I dunno. Manslaughter at the least seems appropriate.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Phil Titola on March 28, 2018, 08:18:16 PM
I obviously think jail time is weird, but I don't really understand how these things work. Do you guys think they designed this thing to kill someone? I just find it weird someone is going to jail for trying to create a fun water park for ppl and now they're in jail with real killers. Do you guys think that guy who jumped from a roller coaster because a snake fell in his seat at worlds of fun should ask for the creator of that ride be put in jail because they didn't create a shield for snakes falling in the ride?

I'll ask again...what should happen to them wacks?  You've spoken out against jail and monetary damages.....maybe they should just say they are really sorry and let this thing go?
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Spracne on March 28, 2018, 08:22:07 PM
I suppose I should clarify where I stand. I feel that civil penalties are sufficient to deter future conduct. While you could make a colorable argument that the conduct fits one of the definitions of second degree murder in Kansas, it doesn't seem to me to jive with the spirit of the law. I don't like the fact that the family is availed of extraordinary measures simply due to their political position. I don't take issue with every single criminal charge, but at the very least, the murder charge has me very side-eye-y.

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Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Phil Titola on March 28, 2018, 08:38:47 PM
yeah 2nd degree murder only seems like a charge because of the dad's position in gov't...and didn't his dad vote to ease these regulations?
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Spracne on March 28, 2018, 08:41:49 PM
yeah 2nd degree murder only seems like a charge because of the dad's position in gov't...and didn't his dad vote to ease these regulations?
He voted on a bill to cap non-economic tort damages at 300,000 dollars, then turned around and settled for 20M.

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Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: catastrophe on March 28, 2018, 09:47:35 PM
I don’t think it’s crazy for people to be expecting criminal charges here. We all have seen folks like Bernie Madoff or the Pharma guy (Skreli?) get put in jail for a long time for screwing people out of their money. If these guys really did knowingly build a death trap and then convince people to ride it so they could get rich, it sure seems like they should suffer at least the same fate.

Haven’t read the statutes but I’ve got to imagine this kind of reckless attitude toward safety (again, if the risks really were as apparent as people now seem to think) is sufficient for some kind of manslaughter charge.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: catastrophe on March 28, 2018, 09:48:59 PM
And for the JV lawyers, I don’t know how in the world you could prove pain & suffering damages on a class-wide basis.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Spracne on March 28, 2018, 09:56:46 PM
You couldn't. It would need to be more like a mass action (think: Mesothelioma or drug injury cases) than a class action. Plus, Kansas requires proof of actual injury if proceeding on a theory of negligent infliction of emotional distress. And it excludes PTSD-type diagnoses from those injuries. In short, Kansas is not very friendly to tort victims.

That said, any family members who witnessed this catastrophe do have a potential claim (But ironically their damages are capped at $300K due to the aforementioned bill voted on by the father).

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Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: The Big Train on March 28, 2018, 10:02:32 PM
What constitutes a class/mass action suit to begin with?  I mean there are a relative(strictly how many injuries per total riders) small amount of people affected, and only the people there to witness the actual death result.  I guess I think of class/mass action as more than one site, plus a larger group of people.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: wetwillie on March 28, 2018, 10:06:08 PM
Making late night house calls!
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Spracne on March 28, 2018, 10:20:59 PM


What constitutes a class/mass action suit to begin with?  I mean there are a relative(strictly how many injuries per total riders) small amount of people affected, and only the people there to witness the actual death result.  I guess I think of class/mass action as more than one site, plus a larger group of people.

I don't think many people are interested in my response to this, but if you genuinely are, feel free to slide in my DMs.

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Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 28, 2018, 10:23:47 PM
I mean that is borderline sub 70 IQ logic
if someone is questioning your expertise is sub human and dumb than eff human kind. I'm legit trying to get to reason here. I had to handle for profit for education questions many times without judging a persons IQ. Sorry your craft is being judged right now. Grow up.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 28, 2018, 10:26:52 PM
Also, eff off.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 28, 2018, 10:29:05 PM
I obviously think jail time is weird, but I don't really understand how these things work. Do you guys think they designed this thing to kill someone? I just find it weird someone is going to jail for trying to create a fun water park for ppl and now they're in jail with real killers. Do you guys think that guy who jumped from a roller coaster because a snake fell in his seat at worlds of fun should ask for the creator of that ride be put in jail because they didn't create a shield for snakes falling in the ride?

I'll ask again...what should happen to them wacks?  You've spoken out against jail and monetary damages.....maybe they should just say they are really sorry and let this thing go?
You should probably give up KC reviews for punishment
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 28, 2018, 10:31:49 PM
I mean that is borderline sub 70 IQ logic
if someone is questioning your expertise is sub human and dumb than eff human kind. I'm legit trying to get to reason here. I had to handle for profit for education questions many times without judging a persons IQ. Sorry your craft is being judged right now. Grow up.
I also judge double majors. Sack up and pick something already or declare a major.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 28, 2018, 10:56:00 PM
Merking?
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: puniraptor on March 28, 2018, 11:37:59 PM
Sorry your craft is being judged right now. Grow up.

blockchain didn't kill that kid
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: The Big Train on March 29, 2018, 07:12:12 AM
I mean that is borderline sub 70 IQ logic
if someone is questioning your expertise is sub human and dumb than eff human kind. I'm legit trying to get to reason here. I had to handle for profit for education questions many times without judging a persons IQ. Sorry your craft is being judged right now. Grow up.
I also judge double majors. Sack up and pick something already or declare a major.

:confused:

So you judge people who want to obtain more knowledge?  Seems weird.  My craft isn’t being questioned, I don’t do structural or mechanical engineering.  I just think saying someone should be absolved of everything because they just wanted to create a fun water park is pretty simplistic reasoning.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: GregKSU1027 on March 29, 2018, 07:23:58 AM
I mean that is borderline sub 70 IQ logic
if someone is questioning your expertise is sub human and dumb than eff human kind. I'm legit trying to get to reason here. I had to handle for profit for education questions many times without judging a persons IQ. Sorry your craft is being judged right now. Grow up.
I also judge double majors. Sack up and pick something already or declare a major.

:confused:

So you judge people who want to obtain more knowledge?  Seems weird.  My craft isn’t being questioned, I don’t do structural or mechanical engineering.  I just think saying someone should be absolved of everything because they just wanted to create a fun water park is pretty simplistic reasoning.
I have the utmost respect for double majors because I know that I couldn't do it.

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Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Woogy on March 29, 2018, 08:23:46 AM
I obviously think jail time is weird, but I don't really understand how these things work. Do you guys think they designed this thing to kill someone? I just find it weird someone is going to jail for trying to create a fun water park for ppl and now they're in jail with real killers. Do you guys think that guy who jumped from a roller coaster because a snake fell in his seat at worlds of fun should ask for the creator of that ride be put in jail because they didn't create a shield for snakes falling in the ride?

I'll ask again...what should happen to them wacks?  You've spoken out against jail and monetary damages.....maybe they should just say they are really sorry and let this thing go?


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Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: ChiComCat on March 29, 2018, 08:48:00 AM
I just find it weird someone is going to jail for trying to create a fun water park for ppl and now they're in jail with real killers.

He's not going to jail for trying to create a fun water park ride for people.  He's going to jail for showing a pretty blatant disregard if those people live or not.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: DQ12 on March 29, 2018, 09:00:34 AM
I suppose I should clarify where I stand. I feel that civil penalties are sufficient to deter future conduct. While you could make a colorable argument that the conduct fits one of the definitions of second degree murder in Kansas, it doesn't seem to me to jive with the spirit of the law. I don't like the fact that the family is availed of extraordinary measures simply due to their political position. I don't take issue with every single criminal charge, but at the very least, the murder charge has me very side-eye-y.
Kansas' second degree murder statute is fairly standard in that it provides for an unintentional killing with an extreme indifference to the value of human life.

I'm not sure that the his dad's political status has much to do with the prosecutor's decision.  It's a gruesome and horrifically tragic episode -- a final destination movie come to life.  Anytime a child's head gets lopped off at an amusement park, it's going to be a pretty emotional case, no matter who the kid's dad is.  The community wants retribution for this, and given that the conduct (arguably) fits the second degree murder elements, I don't have a problem with the charge.  I also wouldn't have a problem if the guy gets acquitted.

No doubt the prosecutor swung for the fences -- and the case is far from a slam dunk.  It'll be interesting to see if a plea deal happens.

Title: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Pete on March 30, 2018, 10:11:07 PM
Sure does seem like a high level of indifference can be easily proven by the info that’s available to us. 

Again, I mentioned it earlier, but it really doesn’t seem too much different to me than killing someone while driving drunk.  Didn’t MEAN to do it, but you knew you were taking unnecessary risk for selfish reasons.  A person can drive drunk thousands of times successfully without getting in a wreck....but then...
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 31, 2018, 04:17:16 AM
Sure does seem like a high level of indifference can be easily proven by the info that’s available to us. 

Again, I mentioned it earlier, but it really doesn’t seem too much different to me than killing someone while driving drunk.  Didn’t MEAN to do it, but you knew you were taking unnecessary risk for selfish reasons.  A person can drive drunk thousands of times successfully without getting in a wreck....but then...
this is a fair logic.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: MakeItRain on March 31, 2018, 09:42:59 AM
https://www.injuryrelief.com/blog/how-is-representative-scott-schwab-not-a-hypocrite/

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Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 03, 2018, 08:31:59 AM
https://twitter.com/knssradio/status/981161506862780416
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: chum1 on April 03, 2018, 08:53:56 AM
Not saying those dudes don't deserve what they have coming to them. In hindsight, though, they maybe should have gone into hiding in another country for their own sakes. Pretty bad mix of public outcry against them and a person of means hell bent on taking them down. Seems like a no win situation.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 03, 2018, 09:34:28 AM
Is it Schwab driving this? 
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on April 03, 2018, 09:51:58 AM
That really is like the craziest design ever. I just don't understand the thought process behind putting metal bars across the top on something that had to have a weight limit to ensure people didnt go airborne.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: ChiComCat on April 03, 2018, 09:53:24 AM
That really is like the craziest design ever. I just don't understand the thought process behind putting metal bars across the top on something that had to have a weight limit to ensure people didnt go airborne.

Buncha dumbass engineers
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: dmartin on April 03, 2018, 10:14:20 AM
That really is like the craziest design ever. I just don't understand the thought process behind putting metal bars across the top on something that had to have a weight limit to ensure people didnt go airborne.

I mean, it did stop them from going too airborne...
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 03, 2018, 10:18:40 AM
I would have designed that top net to be covered by fluffy pillows, but I know more than those guys, so who knows.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 03, 2018, 10:22:15 AM
I'd have made the slide so that it didn't launch rafts up into the air.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: chum1 on April 03, 2018, 11:42:49 AM
I hadn't actually looked at a pic of the thing before. There's a giant hump in the middle. When you're going really fast, I believe that's known to physicists and engineers as a "ramp."
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 03, 2018, 11:46:51 AM
I hadn't actually looked at a pic of the thing before. There's a giant hump in the middle. When you're going really fast, I believe that's known to physicists and engineers as a "ramp."

Yeah, I think that portion is probably this slide's danger zone.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: wetwillie on April 03, 2018, 11:49:51 AM
How long did this slide operate before killing someone? I was thinking it went a few years since opening of the ride without anyone dying.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Trim on April 03, 2018, 11:53:39 AM
Nice setting.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: cfbandyman on April 03, 2018, 11:56:06 AM
https://www.injuryrelief.com/blog/how-is-representative-scott-schwab-not-a-hypocrite/

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Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on April 03, 2018, 01:03:16 PM
I hadn't actually looked at a pic of the thing before. There's a giant hump in the middle. When you're going really fast, I believe that's known to physicists and engineers as a "ramp."

I think the hump was changed after some airborne rafts during testing, to be less deathy.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: pissclams on April 03, 2018, 01:27:09 PM
would you believe it if i told you that they put the ramp/jump in as an afterthought b/c the boats were going too fast without it and the original set up was too dangerous?  because that’s what happened
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: mhkpasa on April 03, 2018, 01:29:07 PM
How long did this slide operate before killing someone? I was thinking it went a few years since opening of the ride without anyone dying.

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The indictment details fourteen injuries suffered by guests who rode the slide. The first report was of a fourteen-year-old’s concussion in 2014. Other injured riders included a 46-year-old man whose eye was swollen shut after his raft collided with a concrete wall (which led operations manager Miles, according to the indictment, to force medical staff to alter their reports), and the ten-year-old Schwab, whose injury is described in the document as “decapitation.”

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Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on April 03, 2018, 01:43:31 PM
would you believe it if i told you that they put the ramp/jump in as an afterthought b/c the boats were going too fast without it and the original set up was too dangerous?  because that’s what happened

Oh yeah, by "changed the hump" I really meant "changed from no to a hump".
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on April 03, 2018, 04:58:21 PM
would you believe it if i told you that they put the ramp/jump in as an afterthought b/c the boats were going too fast without it and the original set up was too dangerous?  because that’s what happened
that's not what happened, they changed the design to alter the shape of the hump, and even though it was still problematic they said hold my beer, we're gonna get this thing done so we can be on tv and not get more embarrassed by missing out on more summer after missing our original 2 opening dates.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: pissclams on April 03, 2018, 05:52:41 PM
would you believe it if i told you that they put the ramp/jump in as an afterthought b/c the boats were going too fast without it and the original set up was too dangerous?  because that’s what happened
that's not what happened, they changed the design to alter the shape of the hump, and even though it was still problematic they said hold my beer, we're gonna get this thing done so we can be on tv and not get more embarrassed by missing out on more summer after missing our original 2 opening dates.

it’s exactly what happened
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: puniraptor on April 03, 2018, 08:49:22 PM
another clams joke goes over my head I guess
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Kat Kid on April 04, 2018, 08:13:14 AM
another clams joke goes over my head I guess

It didn't go over your head, your head collided with the protective netting.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 04, 2018, 10:56:22 AM
another clams joke goes over my head I guess

It didn't go over your head, your head collided with the protective netting.

yet we can't lol at Wainright's mug shot?

Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on April 04, 2018, 11:15:21 AM
another clams joke goes over my head I guess

It didn't go over your head, your head collided with the protective netting.

yet we can't lol at Wainright's mug shot?

i can't speak for kk about anything, but you can lol at it all you want about the wainright thing i guess. i just don't get the waiting around for it and then being excited when it comes out and then laughing at it. knock yourself out though. nothing quite as entertaining about a normal looking dude in a mug shot that may or may not have done anything. yay! party! let's laugh at him!  :party: :party: :party:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 04, 2018, 11:19:51 AM
I didn't even lol.  Just said if Greg wants to no reason to beat him up.  I hope AW assists the police in catching the person who is shooting at cars
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on April 04, 2018, 11:28:59 AM
I didn't even lol.  Just said if Greg wants to no reason to beat him up.  I hope AW assists the police in catching the person who is shooting at cars

fair. lol all you want greg.

still a weird look in my opinion. just overzealous and with no reason. did wainright actually do something? no clue. is the picture weird or loly? nope. knock himself out though and continue lolling at the guy for whatever reason he's lolling at him though i guess.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: sys on April 04, 2018, 11:32:15 AM
i think he was lolling because of how wainright's losing a scholarship.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: chum1 on April 04, 2018, 11:37:35 AM
Do you think maybe he typed "Hahahaha" but was not actually lolling?
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: GregKSU1027 on April 04, 2018, 11:38:37 AM
I didn't even lol.  Just said if Greg wants to no reason to beat him up.  I hope AW assists the police in catching the person who is shooting at cars

fair. lol all you want greg.

still a weird look in my opinion. just overzealous and with no reason. did wainright actually do something? no clue. is the picture weird or loly? nope. knock himself out though and continue lolling at the guy for whatever reason he's lolling at him though i guess.
Did AW design the slide?  :dubious:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: sys on April 04, 2018, 11:39:28 AM
Do you think maybe he typed "Hahahaha" but was not actually lolling?

oh, i don't think so.  greg has always presented himself as an honest poster, i'd hate to think it was all an elaborate ruse.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: GregKSU1027 on April 04, 2018, 11:46:09 AM
 
Do you think maybe he typed "Hahahaha" but was not actually lolling?

oh, i don't think so.  greg has always presented himself as an honest poster, i'd hate to think it was all an elaborate ruse.
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Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: GregKSU1027 on April 04, 2018, 11:46:55 AM
All i know that decapitation and these charges are nothing to lol about.  :'bye cruel world:
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: catastrophe on April 04, 2018, 02:30:40 PM
This will be a fun motif to play out in the coming days.
Title: Re: Schlitterbahn
Post by: DaBigTrain on February 24, 2019, 02:13:06 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/24/us/water-slide-death-charges.html