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General Discussion => Essentially Flyertalk => Topic started by: The Big Train on January 28, 2014, 10:22:17 PM
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Two short articles about the same thing. I want to ride this thing you guys. I also want to go skydiving, so yeah, bungie jumping is also something I want to do. Don't be scared.
http://roadtrippers.kinja.com/new-video-footage-of-worlds-tallest-waterslide-is-abso-1506535175
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/23/verruckt-tallest-waterslide-kansas-city_n_4653471.html
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Somebody's going to die on that thing this year, right?
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eff that. What keeps the riders in the raft and the raft in the slide? I'll do it but I'm sure I'll second guess it many times during the climb up the stairs.
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'Blast has been all over this on the KC things thread. Confirmed: Many ppl will die.
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'Blast has been all over this on the KC things thread. Confirmed: Many ppl will die.
Probably good for business. It's not really that scary if you can't die doing it.
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'Blast has been all over this on the KC things thread. Confirmed: Many ppl will die.
Probably good for business. It's not really that scary if you can't die doing it.
How do you not die on that thing tho? Obviously good for business if you don't.
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'Blast has been all over this on the KC things thread. Confirmed: Many ppl will die.
Probably good for business. It's not really that scary if you can't die doing it.
How do you not die on that thing tho? Obviously good for business if you don't.
eff if I know. Just saying a single death would bring in thrill seekers from around the world. Two deaths would probably make them resort to scrapping it.
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i have a feeling somebody on goEMAW works at the structural firm that did/does the schlitterbahn work :peek:
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i have a feeling somebody on goEMAW works at the structural firm that did/does the schlitterbahn work :peek:
well I hope for everyones sake that person is better at math than you are. :D
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just to make it clear: i was not implying that i work at the schlitterbahn SE firm, because i do not.
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I do know a couple of the guys that do the SB work and even they are like :sdeek:
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just looking at the thing, it seems like at the bottom of the huge drop people are just going to get their faces smashed in because it sends you right back up over another hill, with not much room to level out first. i mean, that's gotta hurt right?
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just looking at the thing, it seems like at the bottom of the huge drop people are just going to get their faces smashed in because it sends you right back up over another hill, with not much room to level out first. i mean, that's gotta hurt right?
I've always figured dying would be pretty painful. :dunno:
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it was fun seeing the top of the slide lost in the clouds a few weeks ago
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I've been thinking about it, 'blast. They should probably have death row ppl try this thing out first. Thoughts?
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I've been thinking about it, 'blast. They should probably have death row ppl try this thing out first. Thoughts?
why not? i'm sure they could get volunteers.
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Would be too afraid to ride.
I've been thinking about it, 'blast. They should probably have death row ppl try this thing out first. Thoughts?
:thumbs:
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Lotta scaredy 'cats' here. That slide looks awesome sign me up :don'tcare:
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Lotta scaredy 'cats' here. That slide looks awesome sign me up :don'tcare:
I guess some people don't share your death wish. Have fun and try to not land on any innocent bystanders as you plummet to your death.
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eff that. What keeps the riders in the raft and the raft in the slide? I'll do it but I'm sure I'll second guess it many times during the climb up the stairs.
Physics.
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eff that. What keeps the riders in the raft and the raft in the slide? I'll do it but I'm sure I'll second guess it many times during the climb up the stairs.
Physics.
Physics?! More like magic.
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I think the fact that it's at the schlitterbahn makes it less appealing than the potential dangers of riding.
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would ride and wouldn't even be worried about it.
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would ride and wouldn't even be worried about it.
afraid of some mayo on a burger but would ride this death trap. ok.
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would ride and wouldn't even be worried about it.
afraid of some mayo on a burger but would ride this death trap. ok.
cause mayo tastes gross.
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would ride and wouldn't even be worried about it.
afraid of some mayo on a burger but would ride this death trap. ok.
cause mayo tastes gross.
Maybe the key to quit being such a picky eater is to stare death in the face :dunno:
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that's the dumbest thing i've ever heard.
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shut up, dorks. mayo has nothing to do with water slides.
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@seven
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmUO_X9xsFs#t=88
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Seven, do you lump miracle whip in with the mayo hate? IMO miracle whip is bitb.
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Miracle Whip and Mayo can GTFOOMF.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q51JzPVfSuE
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the right combo of people sizes, with the right gust of wind, and that raft is flying over I70.
MARK MY WORDS
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Miracle Whip and Mayo can GTFOOMF.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q51JzPVfSuE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqXoFHZW_J4
You can GTFO.
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Seven, do you lump miracle whip in with the mayo hate? IMO miracle whip is bitb.
Dude, MW is rough ridin' terrible. I bet you find margarine superior to butter as well, don't you?
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It's only appropriate that a thread about a water park in Wyandotte County is now a debate about mayonnaise.
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Miracle Whip and Mayo can GTFOOMF.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q51JzPVfSuE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqXoFHZW_J4
You can GTFO.
:barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf:
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It's only appropriate that a thread about a water park in Wyandotte County is now a debate about mayonnaise.
That's why the dot is the dot.
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http://www.kake.com/home/headlines/Opening-of-worlds-tallest-water-slide-pushed-back-259385051.html?llsms=840021&c=y
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(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.graytvinc.com%2Fimages%2FVerruckt%2BSchlitterbahn%2BKMBC.jpg&hash=ac7d9e26cd063b4f4e41ee8e52fa5367457e3a48)
just look at that setting
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a couple weeks ago, 980 was saying they were testing it with crash test dummies and sandbags and that there was supposedly more than one instance of the dummies flying off the slide :surprised:
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That looks super fun. I'm going to the OG Schlitterbahn next month.
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http://www.kake.com/home/headlines/Opening-of-worlds-tallest-water-slide-pushed-back-259385051.html?llsms=840021&c=y
Umm "more testing" is an interesting way to word what's going on. What until you see a picture taken after June 5th and compare it to what mocat just posted.
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http://www.kake.com/home/headlines/Opening-of-worlds-tallest-water-slide-pushed-back-259385051.html?llsms=840021&c=y
Umm "more testing" is an interesting way to word what's going on. What until you see a picture taken after June 5th and compare it to what mocat just posted.
:peek:
I feel like ArchE_Cat is not BSing Everybody here guys
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(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.graytvinc.com%2Fimages%2FVerruckt%2BSchlitterbahn%2BKMBC.jpg&hash=ac7d9e26cd063b4f4e41ee8e52fa5367457e3a48)
just look at that setting
gonna need a beems ruling.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bQv6xph3T4
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bQv6xph3T4
Great recruiting tool
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bQv6xph3T4
lmao
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http://www.kake.com/home/headlines/Opening-of-worlds-tallest-water-slide-pushed-back-259385051.html?llsms=840021&c=y
Umm "more testing" is an interesting way to word what's going on. What until you see a picture taken after June 5th and compare it to what mocat just posted.
:peek:
I feel like ArchE_Cat is not BSing Everybody here guys
June 5th it will be like 15' tall and have a roof/tube or something. I am guessing that it is way too death trappy as is.
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You & three friends can die together!!!!
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I am excited for this thing to open
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Man, if you make it to the bottom you end up in a tropical paradise, but the trip that it takes to get there. :sdeek:
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BTW, The slide will have a net around it and the 4 person raft will have seatbelts. Snooze city. :zzz:
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http://www.kake.com/home/headlines/Opening-of-worlds-tallest-water-slide-pushed-back-259385051.html?llsms=840021&c=y
Umm "more testing" is an interesting way to word what's going on. What until you see a picture taken after June 5th and compare it to what mocat just posted.
:peek:
I feel like ArchE_Cat is not BSing Everybody here guys
:peek:
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i heard same height, they're just fixing that bump thing
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What they need to do is keep the bump thing and put a zip line up that goes across it and when you take flight, you either snag the zip line down or fly into a huge swimming pool
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http://www.kake.com/home/headlines/Opening-of-worlds-tallest-water-slide-pushed-back-259385051.html?llsms=840021&c=y
Umm "more testing" is an interesting way to word what's going on. What until you see a picture taken after June 5th and compare it to what mocat just posted.
:peek:
I feel like ArchE_Cat is not BSing Everybody here guys
:peek:
Hey guys PM me insidery info. I'm the official amusement park insidery info guy on gE.c
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So I heard this thing is in pieces right now?
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If they have a net around it, that means they're not confident with it. :buh-bye:
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So I heard this thing is in pieces right now?
Thats probably why the tests are failing :dunno:
Put it all the way together guys, then run the crash test dummies. Sheesh.
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If they have a net around it, that means they're not confident with it. :buh-bye:
Not really, there are many smaller slides with nets. Typically water coasters.
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This is the tallest water slide in the whole world, we don't need some sissy net holding us in
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This is the tallest water slide in the whole world, we don't need some sissy net holding us in
Yeah. Pretty lame. I think the first person who tries it should do it w/ out any water too. I think that would really weigh how badass it really is.
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This is the tallest water slide in the whole world, we don't need some sissy net holding us in
Yeah. Pretty lame. I think the first person who tries it should do it w/ out any water too. I think that would really wigh how badass it really is.
I don't even know what word you were going for here.
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Fixed it. :)
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https://roadtrippers.com/blog/opening-for-worlds-tallest-waterslide-halted-after-test-riders-reportedly-launched-into-the-air
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https://roadtrippers.com/blog/opening-for-worlds-tallest-waterslide-halted-after-test-riders-reportedly-launched-into-the-air
Gee, I didn't see that coming. :Ugh:
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That whole Park seems half assed city. Could they clean up the trash parts on the perimeter at least?
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That whole Park seems half assed city. Could they clean up the trash parts on the perimeter at least?
You know it's in Wyandotte Co, right?
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That whole Park seems half assed city. Could they clean up the trash parts on the perimeter at least?
You know it's in Wyandotte Co, right?
Well, yeah...but as you're looking east leaving the Legends, the foreground is this awful overgrown field. Then you see a few random slides in the sky and it looks sort of chernobyl-y. It doesn't make me want to go over there.
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That whole Park seems half assed city. Could they clean up the trash parts on the perimeter at least?
You know it's in Wyandotte Co, right?
Sad part is that's the "nice" part of kck they are actually paying attention to.
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This is why they will need a height/weight minimum, those little kids will be too light and even a breeze will move them. This is a ride for real men.
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This is why they will need a height/weight minimum, those little kids will be too light and even a breeze will move them. This is a ride for real men.
LOL at worrying about white mid-westerners being too light weight for a ride.
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This is why they will need a height/weight minimum, those little kids will be too light and even a breeze will move them. This is a ride for real men.
LOL at worrying about white mid-westerners being too light weight for a ride.
This is true, also 'dot life
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BTW, The slide will have a net around it and the 4 person raft will have seatbelts. Snooze city. :zzz:
If this is the case, I've lost just about all interest in riding. :angry:
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BTW, The slide will have a net around it and the 4 person raft will have seatbelts. Snooze city. :zzz:
If this is the case, I've lost just about all interest in riding. :angry:
Sweet. Seatbelts keeping you strapped in to your future death.
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The physics tell us it's the heavier ones who are at risk.
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The physics tell us it's the heavier ones who are at risk.
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Wind resistance and wide bodies, tho.
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The physics tell us it's the heavier ones who are at risk.
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Wind resistance and wide bodies, tho.
Mass is a function that increases by the cube where drag is only by the square.
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I'll ride it, I'm not scared :comehere:
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The physics tell us it's the heavier ones who are at risk.
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Wind resistance and wide bodies, tho.
Mass is a function that increases by the cube where drag is only by the square.
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Sounds like Big Health is conspiring to end Obesity through any means possible, I guess, because math.
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The physics tell us it's the heavier ones who are at risk.
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Well, that's a relief for me.
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/27/tallest-water-slide/11545601/
A promotional video for the show includes footage of two men riding a raft down a half-size test model of the slide and going slightly airborne as it crests the top of the first big hill.
Just imagine how much fun this will be when you ride the full scale slide :excited:
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If you weight as much as these guys and wear boots, you might be safe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NG-uY2wze2Y&sns=fb
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:eek:
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They really mumped Garmin on that deal.
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It, coupled with the surroundings and staff, looks like something built in a day for a scene in a Jackass movie.
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It belongs in the North Korea thread with half built hotels. What a nightmare.
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That was the cheapest go pro in history
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guys, they are showing the building of the slide on travel channel right now
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Exactly why I don't do water slides anymore. My feet have flown close to the edge. :sdeek:
https://www.facebook.com/fox11la/videos/10157180414395553/
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https://twitter.com/mattflenerkmbc/status/762383181521846272
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https://twitter.com/meganbrilley/status/762385246721486848
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eff
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:sdeek:
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12 year old. :frown:
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We called this from day one. :frown:
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Holy crap! How does this happen?
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Holy crap! How does this happen?
i cant bring myself to try to find the details, i always envision my own kids in this stuff and it hurts too much.
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Horrible
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Son of a state rep. Schwab
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Just looked him up and saw a family photo on his website from 2014. Made me sad. :frown:
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crap, man
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:cry: Awful. Any word on what happened?
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If i had to guess, since the entire slide is covered with a net, preventing him from physically leaving the slide, that he flew up, got caught in the net, twisted around, and suffered some sort of head or neck injury.
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Someone died today? eff.
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Some fire dept folks I know said that the raft flew up on the second bumb and the kid hit either the net or the cross bar support of the net and was decapitated. I guess he was in the raft with two ladies (unrelated) and both were injured but not killed. Mom and dad were waiting at the bottom. The ride is supposedly very weight sensitive in that the total of riders has to be between 400-550#. The person running the ride was really young (17 or so, is what I was told). No word on if the raft was under weight or what.
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sickening :(
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I've always thought that net system would kill someone if a raft actually went flying. The raft needs some kind of roll cage. I guess the net potentially stops everyone from being killed.
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terrible :frown:
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Thank God the other passengers were not relatives. Horrifying regardless, but my goodness.
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I read in some comments that a harness got wrapped around his neck and decapitated him.
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I read in some comments that a harness got wrapped around his neck and decapitated him.
I haven't been on it, but the description I found says that they have velcro seat belts. It doesn't say if they are lap belts or over the shoulder, though. The thing is, if that happened, the harness would have had to catch the net or something. :dunno:
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That ride has been a disaster since the word 'go.' Hopefully it's permanently closed after this fiasco.
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I am no engineer, but the problems they had initially coupled with how controlled the weight requirement has to be leads me to believe that there isn't much of a safety factor in the design. :dunno:
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wait. decapitated meaning liked chopped off his head and his head and body just came down to the bottom of the slide not attached to one another?????
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That's generally what decapitated means
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I'm sure edn/catastrophe will be along shortly to post decapitation pictures
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this makes me very sad.
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wait. decapitated meaning liked chopped off his head and his head and body just came down to the bottom of the slide not attached to one another?????
Yeah. really bad stuff. According to the FD guys I know, you could see evidence of the accident from the road(the road is hundreds of feet from the slide).
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I had been off social media all day yesterday and Mrs wacky and I went out to nebraska furiture mart to do some shopping for the new house. When we left, we went to price chopper down the road and I thought it was very strange I never saw any lines. We were both like "are they closed and why?" It was so weird when we found out. His parents were waiting for him down at the bottom too. :frown:
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I am no engineer, but the problems they had initially coupled with how controlled the weight requirement has to be leads me to believe that there isn't much of a safety factor in the design. :dunno:
I wonder about the weight distribution. Waterparks typically want the heaviest person in the back so the nose of the raft doesn't submarine when it hits the catch pool and try to catapult the rider in the back but this ride clearly had an issue with the raft staying in contact with the water from the beginning.
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i can't even fathom
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Yeah. They should probably rip that ride down and also I hope they get the crap sued out of them. (Two things I almost never would say.)
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Yeah. They should probably rip that ride down and also I hope they get the crap sued out of them. (Two things I almost never would say.)
I just hope it wasn't something as negligent as being the fault of a teen operator. I mean, that position has the most responsibility for safety in that park, imo. If they did put a teen in charge of that, and that teen made a mistake, that should def be the end of the park as it would def call into question the safety of the entire park, imo.
If it was a design issue, I don't think the park needs to close.
Either way, the slide needs to come down.
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After hearing this yesterday, I could be off a little, but pretty sure I read somewhere they designed it like a roller coaster or something, and never even considered how differently rafts would function with flowing water or some crap. And then made adjustments after it was built to try and make it safe. I mean, how incredibly rough ridin' dumb is that?
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The owner of the water park referred to the ride as, "dangerous, but it's a safe dangerous now" after they had gotten the rafts to stop flying off the ride during testing. I'd imagine this guy will lose his shorts on this.
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I mean, I hope so.
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This whole thing sounds like a scene out of final destination :frown:
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Was the ride the super-tall slide they were promoting a couple of years ago, or do they have other even more dangerous slides at the park?
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I had no idea they tore some of it down and rebuilt it until I watched a Travel Channel special. Seems like they built it like someone would build a skate ramp in their backyard. Built-->Test-->Redo until the results are acceptable.
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Yeah, redo until a few dozen rafts don't fly off 75ft in the air....good to go.
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Yeah they had ride path issues originally. the slide sections appear to match the sections used on their master blaster ride exactly. original build likely used standard master blaster sections to create the ride path. same slide piece lengths and curve radius, but didn't mean the ride would work for their desired weight range. the original intent may have been for the slide to be a 4 person ride. So it got built and they couldn't calibrate the rafts going up the little hill for the desired weight range. i believe you get sent up the little hill with jets similar to the master blaster. so they spent tons of money making the initial drop shorter and adjusted the hill. cut down the weight range by dropping a rider and they got a ride that works for a specific weight range. it sounds like what happened is an issue with them posibly becoming lax in enforcing the ride parameters related to the riders and or something not being right with the "harness" in the raft.
old promo artwork:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fschlitterblog.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F01%2FRideVehicle.jpg&hash=47d3fd8b4b666e90ab9ba03d83e873eb057cefe5)
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Was the park doing good business and if so, was it due to that ride? I still can't get past how it appears to be placed in a dirt lot. And I'd guess dirt people.
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I can't imagine getting in a raft with 3 randos that are half naked and likely peeing in the raft
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0% shocked u guys are flying off the handle at the owner
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do we know exactly what happened yet?
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SchlitterGONE.
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I'd be surprised if they could even afford to keep the park open. This sounds a lot like that case that got John Edwards all his money. Zero sympathy for anyone involved in green lighting that ride.
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I need to understand what was different about this raft/boy/operator than the thousands before it.
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Do you actually, though? I can't think of a scenario where it would make a difference from a culpability perspective unless maybe the two other riders actually just murdered the kid and made it look like an accident somehow.
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If the cause was the weight/height/age of the boy then they are in big trouble.
I'm assuming they have a height check thingy before you hope on.
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I need to understand what was different about this raft/boy/operator than the thousands before it.
He wasn't as lucky as those other people.
(i.e. It was dangerous the whole time and this kid just happened to be on the one time it killed someone.)
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I went to the original Schlitterbahn in New Braunfels last Friday.
There were no deaths nor death slides.
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If the cause was the weight/height/age of the boy then they are in big trouble.
I'm assuming they have a height check thingy before you hope on.
It's all weight based from what I understand. 2-3 people must weigh more than 400 but less than 550. From what I saw, they do weigh the groups before they are even allowed to climb the stairs to the ride.
I was there in mid July and almost rode the ride with my 12 year old and 15 year old but we did not want to wait in line.
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I need to understand what was different about this raft/boy/operator than the thousands before it.
He wasn't as lucky as those other people.
(i.e. It was dangerous the whole time and this kid just happened to be on the one time it killed someone.)
Ya ok
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not that it matters because this will never go to trial but kansas tort limits non-economic damages at $300k
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not that it matters because this will never go to trial but kansas tort limits non-economic damages at $300k
Sorry man, we won't rest until schlitterbahn is shutdown
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not that it matters because this will never go to trial but kansas tort limits non-economic damages at $300k
Damn. Kinda think the family deserves more than that. Like a lot more.
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How do you know the kid wasn't being a dumbass, which is usually the case on a ride fatality?
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yeah I need more facts.
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not that it matters because this will never go to trial but kansas tort limits non-economic damages at $300k
Damn. Kinda think the family deserves more than that. Like a lot more.
they'll get more. i can't find the voting record on SB 311 (Link (http://www.kslegislature.org/li_2014/b2013_14/measures/documents/summary_sb_311_2014.pdf)), but read that the victim's dad voted those limits into law.
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How do you know the kid wasn't being a dumbass, which is usually the case on a ride fatality?
these rides are supposed to have dumbass countermeasures built into them
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if there's one thing an amusement park should safely be able to rely on it's people not acting like dumbasses at their amusement park
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Victims dad is a good brownback soldier so of course he voted for those limits.
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I mean works of fun has had people die and survived
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Should the slide people sue the family for lost business if this kid was being a dumbass?
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Victims dad is a good brownback soldier so of course he voted for those limits.
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https://twitter.com/cdotharrison/status/762699302665793536
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not that it matters because this will never go to trial but kansas tort limits non-economic damages at $300k
Too lazy to confirm, but those limits look like they apply to wrongful death actions. I think this could fall under products liability (not sure, though).
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98.1 is saying this afternoon that lots of ppl are texting in saying that they rode the slide this summer and the velcro straps came undone, and would not refasten adequately, so that they effectively were not strapped in during the ride. To be clear, they aren't reporting one way or the other if the kid left the raft, or if the raft left the ride.
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velcro straps? velcro?
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velcro straps? velcro?
I think the technical term is hook and loop closure. Don't start implicating Velcro until we know if it is really Velcro brand hook and loop closure.
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velcro straps? velcro?
yes, they have to be easily removed should a raft flip over to prevent drowning
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News said two ladies on the raft were sisters and received facial injuries.
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Witness reports that he was ejected from the raft up into the netting
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http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article94429257.html
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i hope these were two rather large sisters
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Seems weird the sisters would be hurt if he was ejected.
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Seems weird the sisters would be hurt if he was ejected.
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ever been hit in the face with a 10yr olds head?
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That would bruise my soul
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velcro straps? velcro?
yes, they have to be easily removed should a raft flip over to prevent drowning
I guess but damn velcro on a 17 story plunge that goes that fast? Seems if you can't build the safety measures to account for both speed and drowning, maybe it shouldn't have been built :ck:
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not that it matters because this will never go to trial but kansas tort limits non-economic damages at $300k
Too lazy to confirm, but those limits look like they apply to wrongful death actions. I think this could fall under products liability (not sure, though).
Couldn't the economic damages be significant in his case? If his Dad is a state lawmaker, couldn't they argue the kid was lined up to be pretty successful in the job market for 40ish years?
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Velcro absolutely degrades over time. Strap replacement schedule will be of interest here. Also if the kid was too thin and there wasn't enough contact area where the straps Velcro together
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not that it matters because this will never go to trial but kansas tort limits non-economic damages at $300k
Too lazy to confirm, but those limits look like they apply to wrongful death actions. I think this could fall under products liability (not sure, though).
Couldn't the economic damages be significant in his case? If his Dad is a state lawmaker, couldn't they argue the kid was lined up to be pretty successful in the job market for 40ish years?
Ya, his wife and kids are going to miss out on that income
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not that it matters because this will never go to trial but kansas tort limits non-economic damages at $300k
Too lazy to confirm, but those limits look like they apply to wrongful death actions. I think this could fall under products liability (not sure, though).
Couldn't the economic damages be significant in his case? If his Dad is a state lawmaker, couldn't they argue the kid was lined up to be pretty successful in the job market for 40ish years?
Ya, his wife and kids are going to miss out on that income
Sorry - guess this conversation is above your level. shocker!
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not that it matters because this will never go to trial but kansas tort limits non-economic damages at $300k
Too lazy to confirm, but those limits look like they apply to wrongful death actions. I think this could fall under products liability (not sure, though).
Couldn't the economic damages be significant in his case? If his Dad is a state lawmaker, couldn't they argue the kid was lined up to be pretty successful in the job market for 40ish years?
Ya, his wife and kids are going to miss out on that income
Sorry - guess this conversation is above your level. shocker!
Ya I mean I'm not a lawyer but I think what you're suggesting is going to be a tough sell bc it's completely ludicrous
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Velcro absolutely degrades over time. Strap replacement schedule will be of interest here. Also if the kid was too thin and there wasn't enough contact area where the straps Velcro together
With a 10 year old boy and 2 women on the ride, it's very unlikely they reached the 400 pound limit. It seems like this will be a big factor in this.
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What was their procedure for checking weight? Do they have a scale? Do they just let the teenage employee eyeball it? Never been.
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2 adult females and a ten year old boy average out to be exactly 400 pounds. I had heard the raft was weighed twice prior to going down the slide but don't know that for sure.
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I could also see the effect of a very light person in the front and heavy person in the back being overlooked. The front could have bucked up a little in a water, air, or track bump and then caught major lift.
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2 adult females and a ten year old boy average out to be exactly 400 pounds. I had heard the raft was weighed twice prior to going down the slide but don't know that for sure.
The combined weight of riders per raft must be between 400 and 550 pounds. Riders are weighed at the bottom of the tower and again at the top.
http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article94254507.html
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I just hope that all the dads and moms on here take a moment to show your kids a bit of extra love today. They are taken away from us so suddenly and tragically. Make sure they know you love them, regardless of their ages. Really feel badly for the family.
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Velcro absolutely degrades over time. Strap replacement schedule will be of interest here. Also if the kid was too thin and there wasn't enough contact area where the straps Velcro together
With a 10 year old boy and 2 women on the ride, it's very unlikely they reached the 400 pound limit. It seems like this will be a big factor in this.
You must not spend much time at Midwestern water parks
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Velcro absolutely degrades over time. Strap replacement schedule will be of interest here. Also if the kid was too thin and there wasn't enough contact area where the straps Velcro together
With a 10 year old boy and 2 women on the ride, it's very unlikely they reached the 400 pound limit. It seems like this will be a big factor in this.
You must not spend much time at Midwestern water parks
True. I was just at Schlitterbahn in mid July.
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I wonder if the pressure of the rafts are checked and how often. I would bet that under differing weights and pressures the raft could flex more or less and be more likely to become airborne depending on a combination of variables. A raft with the same amount of air in it would have different pressures at park open time and 3PM on a hot summer day.
Also, safety should have been designed into the slide so that even dumbasses can use it and not get themselves or others killed.
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not that it matters because this will never go to trial but kansas tort limits non-economic damages at $300k
Too lazy to confirm, but those limits look like they apply to wrongful death actions. I think this could fall under products liability (not sure, though).
Couldn't the economic damages be significant in his case? If his Dad is a state lawmaker, couldn't they argue the kid was lined up to be pretty successful in the job market for 40ish years?
Ya, his wife and kids are going to miss out on that income
Jesus Christ dude.
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How any insurance company allowed this thing to be opened is beyond me. Let alone after all the initial issues with the raft going airborne. But installing that netting that looks more like a cheese grater? JFC someone royally mumped up the design and 'fixes' along the way.
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Velcro absolutely degrades over time. Strap replacement schedule will be of interest here. Also if the kid was too thin and there wasn't enough contact area where the straps Velcro together
With a 10 year old boy and 2 women on the ride, it's very unlikely they reached the 400 pound limit. It seems like this will be a big factor in this.
You must not spend much time at Midwestern water parks
True. I was just at Schlitterbahn in mid July.
Did you ride that death trap?
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You would think if the stated minimum weight was 400...then the real safe minimum weight would be like 325 to 350...not 399. If that ends up being a fsctor...shame on this place.
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Feel bad also for the 18 year old kids that were working that slide
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not that it matters because this will never go to trial but kansas tort limits non-economic damages at $300k
Too lazy to confirm, but those limits look like they apply to wrongful death actions. I think this could fall under products liability (not sure, though).
Couldn't the economic damages be significant in his case? If his Dad is a state lawmaker, couldn't they argue the kid was lined up to be pretty successful in the job market for 40ish years?
Ya, his wife and kids are going to miss out on that income
Jesus Christ dude.
well...he's right.
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NY Daily News:
The famous water slide where a 10-year-old Kansas boy died from a neck injury hasn’t been inspected by the state since its troubled opening two years ago, according to government records.
Documents obtained by the Kansas City Star show the Kansas Department of Labor, which oversees amusement parks, never sent an inspector to the Verrückt slide since it debuted in July 2014.
Instead, the Kansas City attraction — which holds the Guinness World Record for tallest water slide — was only checked by certified inspectors at the Schlitterbahn water park.
Those inspectors, though, were not required to send their reports to the state.
I am going to try to find it, but I saw a quote yesterday from the park manager saying that the slide is inspected at the beginning and end of each season, by an outside inspector, and daily by onsite staff.
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They inspect for cracked welds, deformities, etc... not safety practices
(I'm pretty sure)
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yeah
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channel 41 posted on FB that they were locked out of the dept of labor when trying to get access to the inspection records.
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They inspect for cracked welds, deformities, etc... not safety practices
(I'm pretty sure)
Yeah, and they definitely are not doing a fluid dynamics analysis to see what would happen if a specific weight (underweight?) of passengers were on the ride.
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No, the field inspector wouldn't do that
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Is there not protocol for safety inspection for things like this? I mean, elevators have one, escalators have one, etc.
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IMO, this is probably not a safety inspection issue but rather a design safety issue. (Unless the kid running the ride let something way outside of the rules go. But then it's a procedure safety issue which inspecting the ride itself isn't going to fix.)
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Well, if the velcro is worn out(which a whole lot of ppl have been saying is, from their own personal ride experience recently), and if the ride is safe with functional velcro, I would say this could definitely be looked at as an inspection, maintenance, and repair issue.
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Wouldn't the inspector just be there to ensure the death trap continued to work as designed?
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Well, if the velcro is worn out(which a whole lot of ppl have been saying is, from their own personal ride experience recently), and if the ride is safe with functional velcro, I would say this could definitely be looked at as an inspection, maintenance, and repair issue.
That should be part of the daily inspection, I doubt very much any state inspector (or contractor) would be looking at that.
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Anyone going to the grand reopening tomorrow?
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Well, if the velcro is worn out(which a whole lot of ppl have been saying is, from their own personal ride experience recently), and if the ride is safe with functional velcro, I would say this could definitely be looked at as an inspection, maintenance, and repair issue.
They should have determined the life expectancy of the hook-and-loop closure system and determined an appropriate inspection interval and method to guarantee finding it before it became so worn out that it would not function properly. So the flaw is in the design of the inspection.
My understanding is that there are not any national regulations on the design and/or inspection of amusements rides.
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Anyone going to the grand reopening tomorrow?
I guess we could go there instead of Double Shift next Saturday.
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not that it matters because this will never go to trial but kansas tort limits non-economic damages at $300k
Too lazy to confirm, but those limits look like they apply to wrongful death actions. I think this could fall under products liability (not sure, though).
Couldn't the economic damages be significant in his case? If his Dad is a state lawmaker, couldn't they argue the kid was lined up to be pretty successful in the job market for 40ish years?
Ya, his wife and kids are going to miss out on that income
Sorry - guess this conversation is above your level. shocker!
Apparently it isn't
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They inspect for cracked welds, deformities, etc... not safety practices
(I'm pretty sure)
Yeah, and they definitely are not doing a fluid dynamics analysis to see what would happen if a specific weight (underweight?) of passengers were on the ride.
Wouldn't it be a hydrodynamics analysis tho? I mean I usually deal with quantum mechanics and general relativity but I like to dabble in other branches of physics too.
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Anyone going to the grand reopening tomorrow?
I guess we could go there instead of Double Shift next Saturday.
(https://media.riffsy.com/images/464f3b490b06d5be7c50c0503b853b9d/raw)
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They inspect for cracked welds, deformities, etc... not safety practices
(I'm pretty sure)
Yeah, and they definitely are not doing a fluid dynamics analysis to see what would happen if a specific weight (underweight?) of passengers were on the ride.
Wouldn't it be a hydrodynamics analysis tho? I mean I usually deal with quantum mechanics and general relativity but I like to dabble in other branches of physics too.
The raft is moving through water and air - both are fluids.
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They inspect for cracked welds, deformities, etc... not safety practices
(I'm pretty sure)
Yeah, and they definitely are not doing a fluid dynamics analysis to see what would happen if a specific weight (underweight?) of passengers were on the ride.
Wouldn't it be a hydrodynamics analysis tho? I mean I usually deal with quantum mechanics and general relativity but I like to dabble in other branches of physics too.
The raft is moving through water and air - both are fluids.
The raft starts at the crest of the wave and is attracted towards the trough by gravity, while it is in contact with the water(making it a solid body). Once it reaches the trough the force exerted by the water changes directions and forces it back towards the next crest of the wave. Meaning that this would be hydrodynamics.
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The hydrodynamics seem like the least problematic part of the whole thing? :dunno:
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stuff and things that make for a long quote
There is stating the obvious, and then there is doing it like a dick.
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The hydrodynamics seem like the least problematic part of the whole thing? :dunno:
Right. The aerodynamics are definitely in play here - hence my use of the more general term fluid dynamics.
I'm just speculating here but it could be that the designer thought this was a hydrodynamics problem and ignored the aerodynamics.
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Lol
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stuff and things that make for a long quote
There is stating the obvious, and then there is doing it like a dick.
No one understands what your dumbass is trying to say
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The hydrodynamics seem like the least problematic part of the whole thing? :dunno:
Right. The aerodynamics are definitely in play here - hence my use of the more general term fluid dynamics.
I'm just speculating here but it could be that the designer thought this was a hydrodynamics problem and ignored the aerodynamics.
:D
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Regarding inspections, has this been shared?
http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2016/08/08/a_boy_died_on_a_water_slide_in_kansas_one_of_many_states_that_barely_regulates.html
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I haven't ridden it in like 10 years but the Typhoon(Tsunami?) at oceans of fun didn't ever have seat belts I don't think. I remember riding it when I was younger and coming out of my seat a few times
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65 mph. 17 stories
Sent from my SM-G900T using Tapatalk
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I haven't ridden it in like 10 years but the Typhoon(Tsunami?) at oceans of fun didn't ever have seat belts I don't think. I remember riding it when I was younger and coming out of my seat a few times
:lol:
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monsoon?
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I haven't ridden it in like 10 years but the Typhoon(Tsunami?) at oceans of fun didn't ever have seat belts I don't think. I remember riding it when I was younger and coming out of my seat a few times
i rememeber being like 7 or 8 and almost coming off the side of the Python Plunge at WOF. Low sides and inflatable rafts are a bad mix.
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monsoon?
Yes! I knew it was something like that
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is everyone for sure about the verruckt rafts being inflatable?
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I've almost died at oceans of fun like 30 times. My dimensions aren't meant for water slides. My legs have come over the ledge on open face slides and my body lifted up on one of those straight down hill slides. eff water parks. I don't do slides unless they're totally enclosed anymore.
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I've almost died at oceans of fun like 30 times. My dimensions aren't meant for water slides. My legs have come over the ledge on open face slides and my body lifted up on one of those straight down hill slides. eff water parks. I don't do slides unless they're totally enclosed anymore now that I am over the age of 30.
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I think I got a concussion on that toilet bowl slide at Kenwood Cove
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Insano in Brazil:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2228551/Insano-Brazil-Worlds-tallest-scariest-water-slide-high-14-storey-building.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2228551/Insano-Brazil-Worlds-tallest-scariest-water-slide-high-14-storey-building.html)
134 ft, 65 mph, no raft
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Insano in Brazil:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2228551/Insano-Brazil-Worlds-tallest-scariest-water-slide-high-14-storey-building.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2228551/Insano-Brazil-Worlds-tallest-scariest-water-slide-high-14-storey-building.html)
134 ft, 65 mph, no raft
Constructed in 1989
:sdeek:
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i can't get this thing out of my minds eye guys. :frown:
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I too am coming to grips with a bearded puni-san being ejected from the bowels of kenwood cove
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i can't get this thing out of my minds eye guys. :frown:
i don't like water
*jeans*
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I've almost died at oceans of fun like 30 times. My dimensions aren't meant for water slides. My legs have come over the ledge on open face slides and my body lifted up on one of those straight down hill slides. eff water parks. I don't do slides unless they're totally enclosed anymore now that I am over the age of 30.
I told Mrs wacky I wanted to stay at great wolf lodge for a night to play in their pool and she called me a pedo. Said we'd have to borrow a kid to make that happen. :frown:
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IRL friend WC if you want to take my kids to a water park knock yourself out
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jk
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:frown:
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WC you want your water park experience to be a booze filled booby gaze. Kids will slow your roll
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Good point. Man tho. One of my favorite childhood memories was playing tarzan from rope to rope at one of those parks across the water. I mean, what a rush!
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Like kids don't like booze and boobs, gmafb cf3 smdh
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Good point. Man tho. One of my favorite childhood memories was playing tarzan from rope to rope at one of those parks across the water. I mean, what a rush!
WC get your ass to a water park ASAP and relive that memory. That's an order
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:excited:
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Like kids don't like booze and boobs, gmafb cf3 smdh
pussification of the us of a continues
*jeans*
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water parks, skin cancer, and urine...what's not to like?
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Well this article is now actually saying he was decapitated.
/news/nation-world/source-boy-was-decapitated-on-waterslide-at-kansas-park-08-10-2016
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nailed it, Mrs. Gooch.
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nailed it, Mrs. Gooch.
That link didn't work for you? :lol:
Try this one.
http://ktul.com/news/nation-world/source-boy-was-decapitated-on-waterslide-at-kansas-park-08-10-2016
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Sounds like a horror movie. Like, the raft came down to the bottom with a bloody, headless body in it and then the head rolled down the slide behind it moments later.
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Sounds like a horror movie. Like, the raft came down to the bottom with a bloody, headless body in it and then the head rolled down the slide behind it moments later.
I don't think I'd ever function properly again if I was his parents at the bottom of that slide
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I'm choosing to believe that he was internally decapitated and not what you guys are visualizing.
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I'm choosing to believe that he was internally decapitated and not what you guys are visualizing.
I don't think the bystanders would report it as decapitated if that were the case.
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My coworker has been calling the net around the slide "the human cheese grater" before the incident for quite some time now. He feels like a jackass now.
:sdeek:
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My coworker has been calling the net around the slide "the human cheese grater" before the incident for quite some time. He feels like a jackass now.
:sdeek:
More like a prophet of death.
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My coworker has been calling the net around the slide "the human cheese grater" before the incident for quite some time. He feels like a jackass now.
:sdeek:
More like a prophet of death.
He said after it happened, he had like 15 texts from friends saying "Holy eff, man! You called it!"
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My coworker has been calling the net around the slide "the human cheese grater" before the incident for quite some time. He feels like a jackass now.
:sdeek:
More like a prophet of death.
He said after it happened, he had like 15 texts from friends saying "Holy eff, man! You called it!"
Ask him what other amusement park rides he thinks are unsafe.
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Will do.
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Somebody's going to die on that thing this year, right?
Stevesie was a little premature on his prediction.
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I'm choosing to believe that he was internally decapitated and not what you guys are visualizing.
I don't think the bystanders would report it as decapitated if that were the case.
unfortunately the reports I heard and the photo of the tarps over the slide lead me to believe it was not an internal decap. Plus the blood.
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uuuuuuuuuuggggggggggghhhhhhhh
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The park reopening article in the star is really rough ridin' stupid and full of idiots.
"Accidents happen" gmafb
"God has a plan for everything" :barf:
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i was supposed to go to a bday party this saturday but assumed it would be cancelled. apparently it's still on :blindfold:
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i was supposed to go to a bday party this saturday but assumed it would be cancelled. apparently it's still on :blindfold:
I bet the lines are pretty short.
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Might take awhile to get across the picket line though.
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They should close that park and bulldoze it. I know I'll never go now. The picture of that kid and knowing what happened. crap man. :frown:
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Mrs. Wacky just told me one of the first responders who were there (family), said the one of the brothers were waiting for him to come down. First thing that showed was his head, then the girl riders, and his body after that. :frown:
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http://abc7ny.com/news/gruesome-details-revealed-in-boys-water-slide-death/1461927/
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They should close that park and bulldoze it. I know I'll never go now. The picture of that kid and knowing what happened. crap man. :frown:
Here...now you won't be able to go to Worlds of Fun either
http://fox4kc.com/2016/08/09/mom-of-girl-who-died-at-worlds-of-fun-in-1995-empathizes-with-family-of-boy-killed-at-schlitterbahn/
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They should close that park and bulldoze it. I know I'll never go now. The picture of that kid and knowing what happened. crap man. :frown:
Here...now you won't be able to go to Worlds of Fun either
http://fox4kc.com/2016/08/09/mom-of-girl-who-died-at-worlds-of-fun-in-1995-empathizes-with-family-of-boy-killed-at-schlitterbahn/
That sounds like a sad story too, but the kid that just died is the same age as my son and played traveling baseball for a team that I've seen at tournaments that we've been at. Two very different stories for me.
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This is just another reason not to have kids. If you don't have any kids then they can't get killed at an amusement park.
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This is just another reason not to have kids. If you don't have any kids then they can't get killed at an amusement park.
Wasn't in my reasoning but pretty airtight argument here.
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It reopened?? It's like a nazi grave site or something.
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http://herviewfromhome.com/to-the-parents-of-caleb-schwab-the-boy-who-was-killed-on-the-worlds-tallest-waterslide/
WTF lady, they don't need you using this tragedy to attract traffic to your blogsite.
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I'm Lauren and I'm a work-in-progress farmer's wife, coffee addict, follower of Jesus and a recovering perfectionist. When I don't have my two toddlers attached at my hip, you can find me bringing meals into the fields, dancing in my kitchen, making our house a home and chatting over a piece of pie with my girl friends. I'm doing my best to live my life intentionally seeking all that God has for me and my family.
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Mrs. Wacky just told me one of the first responders who were there (family), said the one of the brothers were waiting for him to come down. First thing that showed was his head, then the girl riders, and his body after that. :frown:
that matches the photo available of the scene
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Mrs. Wacky just told me one of the first responders who were there (family), said the one of the brothers were waiting for him to come down. First thing that showed was his head, then the girl riders, and his body after that. :frown:
that matches the photo available of the scene
:blindfold:
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I may be a bad person, but I'm not going to stop imagining of ways that would be physically possible.
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It's not. No way the head came down first. Pure imagination. *also not a bad person*
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It's not. No way the head came down first. Pure imagination. *also not a bad person*
I think the netting makes all sorts of scenarios possible.
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Yeah, the body could have flipped after impact. :dunno:
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The ladies in the raft were in the middle and rear seats and were treated for facial injuries. It seems obvious that either the body or head came back and struck them. Given that, who knows what could have been directed where after hitting their faces.
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Guys, just stop.
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My 11 yr old daughter is at WOF and OOF with her friend this weekend. With everything that has happened lately I'm a nervous wreck.
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My 11 yr old daughter is at WOF and OOF with her friend this weekend. With everything that has happened lately I'm a nervous wreck.
What if I told you she was hundreds more times likely to have something bad happen to her on the drive home than actually at the parks? Would that make you feel better?
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My 11 yr old daughter is at WOF and OOF with her friend this weekend. With everything that has happened lately I'm a nervous wreck.
What if I told you she was hundreds more times likely to have something bad happen to her on the drive home than actually at the parks? Would that make you feel better?
Also millions of times more likely to just have a fun time with no bad stuff
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My 11 yr old daughter is at WOF and OOF with her friend this weekend. With everything that has happened lately I'm a nervous wreck.
What if I told you she was hundreds more times likely to have something bad happen to her on the drive home than actually at the parks? Would that make you feel better?
I was on the interstate yesterday and saw a ways ahead that there was a yard sign like this laying in the road a ways ahead.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.partyworksoutlet.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F03%2FCenter-yard-signs.png&hash=aed45ad02e9233ef509d8dbb444693e9e5bce3f1)
Car in front of me and a lane to my left runs it over, shooting it behind the car and airborne right at me, cow in twister style. Good thing I had my windshield up or I'd have been beheaded too.
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My 11 yr old daughter is at WOF and OOF with her friend this weekend. With everything that has happened lately I'm a nervous wreck.
What if I told you she was hundreds more times likely to have something bad happen to her on the drive home than actually at the parks? Would that make you feel better?
I know, I know......
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Really light kid in the front seat, two bigger ladies in the back sounds like it was a contributing factor to this.... That's gotta be hard to swallow for the ladies.
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two bigger ladies in the back .... That's gotta be hard to swallow for the ladies.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/lfoC8HjUQlQT6/giphy.gif)
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Police said 73-pound Caleb Schwab sat in the front seat of the raft, while a woman weighing 197 pounds and another woman weighing 275 pounds occupied the next two seats, respectively.
Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article95909677.html#storylink=cpy
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They better have tested it 100 times with a 500 lb person in the back and a 30 lb person in the front.
This thing wasn't engineered. No safety factor and countless uncontrolled variables. This backyard bubbatecture abomination needs to burned to the ground immediately and schlitterbahn needs to be sued into joyland.
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Also the state agency that required the net with rigid steel supports needs to be brownbacked tomorrow.
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I'm starting to think the 2 women are as much to blame as anyone.
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Also the state agency that required the net with rigid steel supports needs to be brownbacked tomorrow.
I think KCK officials required that.
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Police said 73-pound Caleb Schwab sat in the front seat of the raft, while a woman weighing 197 pounds and another woman weighing 275 pounds occupied the next two seats, respectively.
Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article95909677.html#storylink=cpy
:sdeek:
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obesity can even kill non-obese people
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Oh my
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Put this in the shame thread but I found them on Facebook as I was interested in what ladies of that stature profile pics looked like....
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i hope these were two rather large sisters
confirmed
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Obesity should be a crime. At least obesity in public.
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Put this in the shame thread but I found them on Facebook as I was interested in what ladies of that stature profile pics looked like....
Post pics!
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My 11 yr old daughter is at WOF and OOF with her friend this weekend. With everything that has happened lately I'm a nervous wreck.
What if I told you she was hundreds more times likely to have something bad happen to her on the drive home than actually at the parks? Would that make you feel better?
I was on the interstate yesterday and saw a ways ahead that there was a yard sign like this laying in the road a ways ahead.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.partyworksoutlet.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F03%2FCenter-yard-signs.png&hash=aed45ad02e9233ef509d8dbb444693e9e5bce3f1)
Car in front of me and a lane to my left runs it over, shooting it behind the car and airborne right at me, cow in twister style. Good thing I had my windshield up or I'd have been beheaded too.
really glad you made it out okay.
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Obesity should be a crime. At least obesity in public.
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really glad you made it out okay.
It's been a bit of a hassle, but seems to be on track now. Car goes in Monday to get all fixed up. No deductible for flying cows or yard signs.
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Obesity should be a crime. At least obesity in public.
:cry:
I'd be willing to agree to make going in public without vaccines a crime if the fatties could meet me halfway on this. There would be exemptions for doctor verified conditions of course.
While we're at it, no smoking in public, no body odor in public, no butt crack showing in public, and of course no Nickelback (music played or t-shirts worn).
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Can someone who's been there break down the weigh'n process to me? Is it discreet? Awkward? Is there a bunch of mixing and matching of disproportionately weighed people to come up with 3 people fitting in their 400-550 pound window? Are the staff members there put in a position of borderline insulting people when allocating raft spots?
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Weighed and put into three lines.... Small, medium, XL.... Three mediums put into raft together... One small, two XL put in rafts together in alternating order
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Weighed and put into three lines.... Small, medium, XL.... Three mediums put into raft together... One small, two XL put in rafts together in alternating order
What's your estimate on the weight ranges for each lines?
Lol at no "large."
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Can someone who's been there break down the weigh'n process to me? Is it discreet? Awkward? Is there a bunch of mixing and matching of disproportionately weighed people to come up with 3 people fitting in their 400-550 pound window? Are the staff members there put in a position of borderline insulting people when allocating raft spots?
as i understand it, three people are weighed together, not individually
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Can someone who's been there break down the weigh'n process to me? Is it discreet? Awkward? Is there a bunch of mixing and matching of disproportionately weighed people to come up with 3 people fitting in their 400-550 pound window? Are the staff members there put in a position of borderline insulting people when allocating raft spots?
as i understand it, three people are weighed together, not individually
"oh hey sure you two weigh collectively 490 lbs, that baby is completely safe now"
rough ridin' idiots
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Weighed and put into three lines.... Small, medium, XL.... Three mediums put into raft together... One small, two XL put in rafts together in alternating order
What's your estimate on the weight ranges for each lines?
Lol at no "large."
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really glad you made it out okay.
It's been a bit of a hassle, but seems to be on track now. Car goes in Monday to get all fixed up. No deductible for flying cows or yard signs.
the real people to blame here are sign people. just the worst
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Can someone who's been there break down the weigh'n process to me? Is it discreet? Awkward? Is there a bunch of mixing and matching of disproportionately weighed people to come up with 3 people fitting in their 400-550 pound window? Are the staff members there put in a position of borderline insulting people when allocating raft spots?
as i understand it, three people are weighed together, not individually
Seems like it would be both, individually at the outset to categorize people into the lines PT described, and then together before riding to make sure grouping people from the categories added up correctly.
So does there end up being an XL line w/tons of somewhat regular dudes and a handful of XL women sprinkled in? What I'm envisioning at this point is that XL women subject themselves to increasing levels of fat-shame'n as they await the opportunity to ride, culminating with the almost-final humiliation of getting grouped with some random mini-person in order to fall under the safe parameters of what 3 regular people (shout j_rake) should weigh for the ride. Then when the absolute final humiliation comes of them being told the mini-person has to sit in the middle to even out their weight, they're not having it and the summer worker isn't about to have that argument. Is that how it goes?
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really glad you made it out okay.
It's been a bit of a hassle, but seems to be on track now. Car goes in Monday to get all fixed up. No deductible for flying cows or yard signs.
the real people to blame here are sign people. just the worst
I think it was red and probably had "____% off" on it. Couldn't catch the #. Very likely could've been a leftover sports authority sign.
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you know whats worse than fat people? wet fat people
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Obesity should be a crime. At least obesity in public.
Absolutely.
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Obesity should be a crime. At least obesity in public.
Absolutely.
Not fair. You do blow to stay skinny.
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Not fair. You do blow to stay skinny.
No.
My days of cocaine use are way behind me. Also, doing coke to stay skinny isn't a good strategy. I exercise to stay in shape (I'm not skinny).
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If places of biz had the correct view of the change in demographics, fat ppl will be the only ppl allowed in public/their businesses, and they will ban skinny ppl for making all the fat ppl feel bad. I mean, you guys have seen the trend, right?
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Except the correlation between fat and poor is positive. So I guess this is a poverty issue too.
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Saw a thing yesterday showing that the avg woman now ways what the avg man did in the 60's.
I wouldn't limit myself to considering marketing to fat ppl if I was biz offering luxury products.
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They better have tested it 100 times with a 500 lb person in the back and a 30 lb person in the front.
This thing wasn't engineered. No safety factor and countless uncontrolled variables. This backyard bubbatecture abomination needs to burned to the ground immediately and schlitterbahn needs to be sued into joyland.
it was engineered. Fully engineered design would have been required by their insurer, the permit office, etc. But sometimes designs fail or don't account for every possible factor
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If this is truly due to all the weight being center and to the back, whoever "engineered" it better already be out of the country.
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Every water ride I've ever been on puts all of the heavy people in the back.
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Every water ride I've ever been on puts all of the heavy people in the back.
I went on roughly 30 different waterslides last week. not lying. some of them specifically made bigger people get in the front and some specifically had bigger people in the back. sometimes these were even rides that were side by side but with different rules and the rules were always very clear and written in multiple places and the park employees would correct people that were messing it up. bigger person placement seems to be pretty important at some waterparks/rides. maybe it wasn't at this one, but it is at others. big person placement seemd to be about 50/50 front vs back.
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If this is truly due to all the weight being center and to the back, whoever "engineered" it better already be out of the country.
Some engineer put their PE stamp on it, and he/she is mumped if the staff did their part in getting the right weight range on board.
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Every water ride I've ever been on puts all of the heavy people in the back.
many of them with pools at the end don't because they don't want the raft to submarine, they want it to skim across and make the end of the pflume
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Regardless of where the bigger people sit and if that was a factor, a person of any weight shouldn't be able to fly out of their seat. Ever.
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That's a fat joke!
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Regardless of where the bigger people sit and if that was a factor, a person of any weight shouldn't be able to fly out of their seat. Ever.
Yeah. This ride should have just been torn down and forgotten about way back when it was first built and test rafts were flying off the track.
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Regardless of where the bigger people sit and if that was a factor, a person of any weight shouldn't be able to fly out of their seat. Ever.
Yeah. This ride should have just been torn down and forgotten about way back when it was first built and test rafts were flying off the track.
Honestly, at the time I thought that was all part of the hype/PR/advertising for the ride. By "letting that info get out", they were only building up the ride and I thought "no way can this thing really be this dangerous, that would never be allowed to happen".
I guess I was way wrong on that one.
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If this is truly due to all the weight being center and to the back, whoever "engineered" it better already be out of the country.
Some engineer put their PE stamp on it, and he/she is mumped if the staff did their part in getting the right weight range on board.
False. The only PE stamps required for stuff like this (in KS at least - California, Ohio and Florida might have different requirements based on the density of parks) are the structural engineer, civil engineer and the MEP engineer. The structural engineer holds no liability for the operation of the ride, just the structural soundness of the physical ride itself. Did the ride topple over and fall to the ground? No.
These attractions hire a firm to design the rides, but they often times aren't licensed professional engineers due to the (somewhat) loose restrictions on designing rides. Most of the rides in the US are all designed by the same 2 or 3 firms. I've had to deal with them before on certain projects i've been associated with.
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That makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside
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i'm not sure what kind of engineer would stamp the "engineering" that emo emaw is talking about. certainly not the structural engineer.
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If this is truly due to all the weight being center and to the back, whoever "engineered" it better already be out of the country.
Some engineer put their PE stamp on it, and he/she is mumped if the staff did their part in getting the right weight range on board.
False. The only PE stamps required for stuff like this (in KS at least - California, Ohio and Florida might have different requirements based on the density of parks) are the structural engineer, civil engineer and the MEP engineer. The structural engineer holds no liability for the operation of the ride, just the structural soundness of the physical ride itself. Did the ride topple over and fall to the ground? No.
These attractions hire a firm to design the rides, but they often times aren't licensed professional engineers due to the (somewhat) loose restrictions on designing rides. Most of the rides in the US are all designed by the same 2 or 3 firms. I've had to deal with them before on certain projects i've been associated with.
Can confirm. As a structural engineer I've done structural design for a couple of the major players in the aquatics industry. Ride path design for your run-of-the-mill slide is not done by an engineer at all. Most of the design is done by a designer doing a 3D model of the slide based on that company's catalog of slide parts. It's a fairly empirical process.They know the total elevation drop and keep the slope of the slide within a certain range. Never, ever stamped a drawing with ride path design on it. Having worked with a certain infamous family of water parks, I never knew them to use one of the major slide designers for their slides. The same company often bought previously used "ordinary" slides. The most northern location for this company did an expansion and the slide fiberglass and platform came from a defunct water park in a city known for gambling.
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i'm not sure what kind of engineer would stamp the "engineering" that emo emaw is talking about. certainly not the structural engineer.
I was thinking a mechanical engineer. But, it's not like an electrial engineer can't stamp a drawing for an HVAC system or something (a PE is a PE is a PE).
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I am sure mech stamps for pump design, etc, but still not for ride purposes. Just that the volume, pressure, etc will be whatever rates they were asked to design to.
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I was thinking that surely someone would require a PE stamp to make this thing go live, be it regulatory or insurance or something. I thought wrong apparently (which is pretty scary).
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gE should have been consulted on this thing, our ~10 residents PE's would have thrown this thing to the curb before they even bought materials
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i'm not sure what kind of engineer would stamp the "engineering" that emo emaw is talking about. certainly not the structural engineer.
I was thinking a mechanical engineer. But, it's not like an electrial engineer can't stamp a drawing for an HVAC system or something (a PE is a PE is a PE).
no MEP engineer would stamp somebody else's ride design drawings tho.
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the worst case risk scenario for an MEP engineer would go from "it's a little hot in here" or "it's a little dim in this room" to "people may die"
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i'm not sure what kind of engineer would stamp the "engineering" that emo emaw is talking about. certainly not the structural engineer.
I was thinking a mechanical engineer. But, it's not like an electrial engineer can't stamp a drawing for an HVAC system or something (a PE is a PE is a PE).
no MEP engineer would stamp somebody else's ride design drawings tho.
I was thinking a mechanical engineer would design the ride and stamp his own design.
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i'm not sure what kind of engineer would stamp the "engineering" that emo emaw is talking about. certainly not the structural engineer.
Fluid Dynamics Engineer, obv.
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Why is mocat confusing mechanical engineer with MEP? Does he not recognize a difference?
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How's business out there?
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Why is mocat confusing mechanical engineer with MEP? Does he not recognize a difference?
bc you brought up HVAC
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i'm not sure what kind of engineer would stamp the "engineering" that emo emaw is talking about. certainly not the structural engineer.
Fluid Dynamics Engineer, obv.
Smdhmdh
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Why is mocat confusing mechanical engineer with MEP? Does he not recognize a difference?
bc you brought up HVAC
Not specific to this issue, it was as an example.
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Sounds like some of you need to get back to Durand.
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Sounds like some of you need to get back to Durand.
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Sounds like some of you need to get back to Durand.
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Durland? No idea where you engineering brains studied
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Sounds like some of you need to get back to Durand.
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Durland? No idea where you engineering brains studied
Fiedler I think? I don't know, my memory is all fuzzy after spending six years breathing in asbestos over in Willard.
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Sounds like some of you need to get back to Durand.
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Durland? No idea where you engineering brains studied
Fiedler I think? I don't know, my memory is all fuzzy after spending six years breathing in asbestos over in Willard.
Fiedler is the library and Rathbone is the other building beside Durland. Just FYI
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I am sure mech stamps for pump design, etc, but still not for ride purposes. Just that the volume, pressure, etc will be whatever rates they were asked to design to.
This is basically how it works. The mechanical engineer gets drawings from the aquatics folks stating flows/pressures/etc. that they need at certain points of the ride. It's just plug and play from our end on that sort of thing. It's also the same way with Food Service Consultants and large commercial kitchens.
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Do the projectile motion calculations not need a stamp? I'm assuming not at this point.
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http://fox4kc.com/2016/11/22/schlitterbahn-announces-intent-to-close-verruckt-water-slide-following-august-death-of-caleb-schwab/ (http://fox4kc.com/2016/11/22/schlitterbahn-announces-intent-to-close-verruckt-water-slide-following-august-death-of-caleb-schwab/)
Death trap coming down
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you should totally buy it and put it up in your back yard. I bet it goes cheap.
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Has this been posted yet?
http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article148513129.html
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How do they come up with the figures in these cases? Like how much is a life worth?
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Weren't resident assholes literally joking the family wouldn't get crap because of some stupid punitive damage limits that backwards Kansas allegedly has?
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I think they are going to have to pay out quite a bit more to the other people who witnessed the event for mental pain and suffering
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Weren't resident assholes literally joking the family wouldn't get crap because of some stupid punitive damage limits that backwards Kansas allegedly has?
That is pretty normal and the SCOTUS has even limited punis.
They are outlawed in white trash meccas like Nebraska and Washington
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How do they come up with the figures in these cases? Like how much is a life worth?
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actuaries can calculate all sorts of things like the value of a life based on age and expected earnings, etc.
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the 2 girls on the raft with him got some $ I hope
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Isn't them being overweight what caused his death?
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And negligence on the part of the staff
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also a lack of safety measures in the engineering
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also a lack of safety measures in the engineering
state should also be sued for doing a shitty job regulating
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also a lack of safety measures in the engineering
state should also be sued for doing a shitty job regulating
Well, they can't be (unless they've consented to being sued). Do you really think it would be a good idea to open up the courts to suits against states for regulating too little or too much?
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also a lack of safety measures in the engineering
state should also be sued for doing a shitty job regulating
Well, they can't be (unless they've consented to being sued). Do you really think it would be a good idea to open up the courts to suits against states for regulating too little or too much?
when you aren't a law student it makes sense. I know it won't happen but still
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also a lack of safety measures in the engineering
state should also be sued for doing a shitty job regulating
Well, they can't be (unless they've consented to being sued). Do you really think it would be a good idea to open up the courts to suits against states for regulating too little or too much?
when you aren't a law student it makes sense. I know it won't happen but still
:horrorsurprise:
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also a lack of safety measures in the engineering
state should also be sued for doing a shitty job regulating
Well, they can't be (unless they've consented to being sued). Do you really think it would be a good idea to open up the courts to suits against states for regulating too little or too much?
I think you should be able to sue anyone for anything. I do think it would be bad if the courts would rule against the state in a case like this, though.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhjBlPucpd0
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https://twitter.com/mattdpearce/status/977310384842420224
HOLY crap READ THIS THREAD
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i have a feeling somebody on goEMAW works at the structural firm that did/does the schlitterbahn work :peek:
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https://twitter.com/mattdpearce/status/977310384842420224
HOLY crap READ THIS THREAD
Jesus Christ :sdeek:
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Unbelievable
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Insurance might not be able to insulate them.
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They should burn
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There’s not really much to burn but that’s the end for them
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criminal
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That’s insane
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Very bad people run that company.
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You can read the whole indictment here and holy moly schlitterbahn is F'd
https://www.wycocourtks.org/uploads/4/4/1/2/4412070/2018-03-21_indictment__miles_swkc__filed_redacted.pdf
The raft the kid was on had over 10 maintenance reports and had been taken out of service multiple times for injuring guests before the kid died. The notes basically read "Raft b2 went airborne for no reason" "Boat B taken out of service today because it kept coming down the runout too fast and injuring guests"
2 days before the kid died there was a maintenance log saying "Boat b requires less air than other boats in order to go down slower"
Also the braking system was out of order that day and apparently was out of order alot.
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I really don't think I ever want to go to an amusement park or water park again after reading that crap
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Is there a regulatory body that oversees amusement parks and such? I mean it had to have passed some kind of government inspection to the point where someone was satisfied enough that it was going to be safe.
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Is there a regulatory body that oversees amusement parks and such? I mean it had to have passed some kind of government inspection to the point where someone was satisfied enough that it was going to be safe.
Pretty sure Kansas free marketed that department out of existence or something
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Kansas Department of Labor, Division of Industrial Safety and Health
Terri Sanchez, Director
Allegedly it falls under this department’s jurisdiction. After my five minutes of research your assertion that never going to an an amusement park again feels right. No federal oversight exists and the states appear to be very lax in their authority and enforcement.
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You communists can take my guns and bibles, and regulate my amusement parks over my cold dead body.
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Kansas Department of Labor, Division of Industrial Safety and Health
Terri Sanchez, Director
Allegedly it falls under this department’s jurisdiction. After my five minutes of research your assertion that never going to an an amusement park again feels right. No federal oversight exists and the states appear to be very lax in their authority and enforcement.
I remember reading KS (& MO) have pretty lax rules and enforcement at amusement parks...which is a factor in building this kid killer here and moving one of the new rides to WoF from another state that basically banned the ride due to not meeting their standards.
wof - http://www.kctv5.com/story/25019013/troubled-thrill-ride-relocated-to-worlds-of-fun-set-to-open
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Schliterbahn is boned.
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Jeff Henry, the co-owner of Schlitterbahn, was arrested on Monday in Cameron County, Texas, on charges related to the 2016 death of a 10-year-old boy on a water slide in Kansas.
Officials in Cameron County, which is the southernmost county in Texas, said Henry was arrested on a Kansas warrant.
"He was arrested by U.S. Marshals out of Brownsville," Texas, said Capt. Javier Reyna of the Cameron County Sheriff's Office.
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http://www.kansascity.com/news/article206886324.html
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:horrorsurprise:
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So was he attempting to flee the country, or does he happen to have a ranch down there?
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seems like a competent attorney could really hold the state to task for allowing these guys to do what they did, which seems to be within the state’s rules
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seems like a competent attorney could really hold the state to task for allowing these guys to do what they did, which seems to be within the state’s rules
Who is “the state”? I’m hoping you mean the governor that was in office at the time it was approved.
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So was he attempting to flee the country, or does he happen to have a ranch down there?
There's a Schlitterbahn on South Padre Island... so maybe that.
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seems like a competent attorney could really hold the state to task for allowing these guys to do what they did, which seems to be within the state’s rules
Who is “the state”? I’m hoping you mean the governor that was in office at the time it was approved.
The father of the kid was one of the people who allowed these guys to do what they did, so I don't expect him to press charges against the state.
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Putting the owner of a waterpark in an orange jumpsuit and hauling him to a federal jail has to be definition of criminal justice theater.
You put people in jail to protect society from them, did they think he was going to go around building rogue deadly waterslides if left loose on the public?
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Putting the owner of a waterpark in an orange jumpsuit and hauling him to a federal jail has to be definition of criminal justice theater.
You put people in jail to protect society from them, did they think he was going to go around building rogue deadly waterslides if left loose on the public?
I generally agree, but you have to do something to deter other water park owners from failing to follow the nonexistent safety regulations this state has imposed.
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Like destroying their business and forcing them into bankruptcy and a life of depleted opportunities after doing so?
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Putting the owner of a waterpark in an orange jumpsuit and hauling him to a federal jail has to be definition of criminal justice theater.
You put people in jail to protect society from them, did they think he was going to go around building rogue deadly waterslides if left loose on the public?
I generally agree, but you have to do something to deter other water park owners from failing to follow the nonexistent safety regulations this state has imposed.
Really the state should be charged for lack of standards and or enforcement...I don't know how any of that works so don't @ me with "but how" details....I dunno!
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Like destroying their business and forcing them into bankruptcy and a life of depleted opportunities after doing so?
What should happen to them wacks?
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IDK, but locking them away with real murders is not the answer. Their lives are already mumped as it is.
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IDK, but locking them away with real murders is not the answer. Their lives are already mumped as it is.
You said forcing them into bankruptcy like it was a bad thing.... you didn't post anything about jail.
So no monetary penalty...no jail time....just wondering what you were thinking they should do with them.
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IDK, but locking them away with real murders is not the answer. Their lives are already mumped as it is.
You said forcing them into bankruptcy like it was a bad thing.... you didn't post anything about jail.
So no monetary penalty...no jail time....just wondering what you were thinking they should do with them.
Depends on whether they committed a crime
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seems like a competent attorney could really hold the state to task for allowing these guys to do what they did, which seems to be within the state’s rules
Who is “the state”? I’m hoping you mean the governor that was in office at the time it was approved.
The father of the kid was one of the people who allowed these guys to do what they did, so I don't expect him to press charges against the state.
that guy isn’t the only possible plaintiff
hell I could sue them, they did a shitty job protecting the people of kansas and the water park people worked inside the state’s unsafe margins
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Probs can't sue the state here. But given the state's contributory negligence, I feel that the criminal sanctions are a bit heavy handed.
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Good reminder that the systems we assume are in place to protect us might not exist.
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Probs can't sue the state here. But given the state's contributory negligence, I feel that the criminal sanctions are a bit heavy handed.
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What do you expect the state to do? They are there to verify things are in working order that exist, so while they may have caught and corrected the braking system issues (and even that is a stetch given that typically this is an annual inspection basis), they aren't cracking the engineering books and verifying a ride isn't going to decapitate a 9 year old. The lack of state inspection here is really fairly overstated. The ride was inspected upon opening by the state and passed due to the above reasons.
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Good reminder that the systems we assume are in place to protect us might not exist.
yep
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Probs can't sue the state here. But given the state's contributory negligence, I feel that the criminal sanctions are a bit heavy handed.
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What do you expect the state to do? They are there to verify things are in working order that exist, so while they may have caught and corrected the braking system issues (and even that is a stetch given that typically this is an annual inspection basis), they aren't cracking the engineering books and verifying a ride isn't going to decapitate a 9 year old. The lack of state inspection here is really fairly overstated. The ride was inspected upon opening by the state and passed due to the above reasons.
That the ride was inspected and passed such inspection should counsel against criminal prosecution. While I'm not saying the State needs to have its own engineers sign off on individual ride designs*, would it be so hard to require attestations that new rides were engineered by, uhh, professional engineers?
*Although really, how burdensome would that be? It's not like there are that many new amusement park rides built in Kansas on a yearly basis. The real motivation would be avoiding liability, or at least the appearance of liability (because 11th Amendment).
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what structural engineer stamped these plans? you can’t build something like this without that can you?
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what structural engineer stamped these plans? you can’t build something like this without that can you?
I mean, the structure didn't fall down
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what structural engineer stamped these plans? you can’t build something like this without that can you?
There is nothing wrong with the structure
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it operated as intended?
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it operated as intended?
The portion that a structural engineer stamped, yes. To this day.
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we got some hardcore PE's on goEMAW
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The indictment details fourteen injuries suffered by guests who rode the slide. The first report was of a fourteen-year-old’s concussion in 2014. Other injured riders included a 46-year-old man whose eye was swollen shut after his raft collided with a concrete wall (which led operations manager Miles, according to the indictment, to force medical staff to alter their reports), and the ten-year-old Schwab, whose injury is described in the document as “decapitation.”
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we got some hardcore PE's on goEMAW
You gotta know how to protect your ass.
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They should probably take the part about Verruckt out of the Ohio University amusement park online engineering degree section.
https://onlinemasters.ohio.edu/amusement-park-and-roller-coaster-engineering/
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it operated as intended?
The portion that a structural engineer stamped, yes. To this day.
how so? they just go to school to say something won’t blow over in the wind?
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it operated as intended?
The portion that a structural engineer stamped, yes. To this day.
how so? they just go to school to say something won’t blow over in the wind?
Also the impact of the body coming back down onto the slide did not knock it down.
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ya it's pretty sad how the engineers are flocking to this thread to cya
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IDK, but locking them away with real murders is not the answer. Their lives are already mumped as it is.
You said forcing them into bankruptcy like it was a bad thing.... you didn't post anything about jail.
So no monetary penalty...no jail time....just wondering what you were thinking they should do with them.
Depends on whether they committed a crime
Putting the owner of a waterpark in an orange jumpsuit and hauling him to a federal jail has to be definition of criminal justice theater.
You put people in jail to protect society from them, did they think he was going to go around building rogue deadly waterslides if left loose on the public?
I generally agree, but you have to do something to deter other water park owners from failing to follow the nonexistent safety regulations this state has imposed.
Really the state should be charged for lack of standards and or enforcement...I don't know how any of that works so don't @ me with "but how" details....I dunno!
I'm not saying building a criminally negligent structure shouldn't land a person in prison. No, if a jury of your peers thinks you belong in prison for what you've done i don't see a problem with that. What i think is ridiculous is the spectacle of dragging the guy down to get booked and throwing him in an orange jumper for a mug shot to blast around. Its not like the guy was on the lamb and needed to be brought in, just pure theater/
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Wouldn’t this be more on the hydrodynamics engineer(I feel like we’ve already had this discussion). Also how many mechanical engineers does it take to defend a structural engineer?
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ya it's pretty sad how the engineers are flocking to this thread to cya
It's shocking really.
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What i think is ridiculous is the spectacle of dragging the guy down to get booked and throwing him in an orange jumper for a mug shot to blast around. Its not like the guy was on the lamb and needed to be brought in, just pure theater/
I've got some bad news for you about how some law enforcement agencies operate.
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Can't be setting a precedent on the gE court. Tort law will but you in the ass.
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Wouldn’t this be more on the hydrodynamics engineer(I feel like we’ve already had this discussion). Also how many mechanical engineers does it take to defend a structural engineer?
did you read the things?
the dynamics of the actual ride were not engineered, just trial and error cobbled together by bubbas
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Wouldn’t this be more on the hydrodynamics engineer(I feel like we’ve already had this discussion). Also how many mechanical engineers does it take to defend a structural engineer?
did you read the things?
the dynamics of the actual ride were not engineered, just trial and error cobbled together by bubbas
That's the joke puni
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Yes we have had this discussion before and I pointed out that it would be fluid dynamics since the raft traveled through water and air.
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:buh-bye:
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Wouldn’t this be more on the hydrodynamics engineer(I feel like we’ve already had this discussion). Also how many mechanical engineers does it take to defend a structural engineer?
did you read the things?
the dynamics of the actual ride were not engineered, just trial and error cobbled together by bubbas
That's the joke puni
ok I obviously don't get clams' joke either
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Wouldn’t this be more on the hydrodynamics engineer(I feel like we’ve already had this discussion). Also how many mechanical engineers does it take to defend a structural engineer?
Lol we can't pay for all that....it's just a slide
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Wouldn’t this be more on the hydrodynamics engineer(I feel like we’ve already had this discussion). Also how many mechanical engineers does it take to defend a structural engineer?
Lol we can't pay for all that....it's just a slide
Kinetic friction should be the same regardless of the surfaces that are touching, obviously.
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How to kill a thread: a Master's course, from Prof. TBT
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How to kill a thread: a Master's course, from Prof. TBT
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Looking back at this thread your student law talks effectively killed this thread last June.
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How to kill a thread: a Master's course, from Prof. TBT
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lol
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The Dr. is in
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The part about Newton being wrong about how fast the raft would go down this slide was easily my favorite part of what I read from the twitter thread.
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Just assumed the settlement was so excessive in exchange for some agreement not to do this.
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How to kill a thread: a Master's course, from Prof. TBT
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lol
A PE who doesn’t know how derivatives work. :lol:
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Smack train a-comin': How to talk crap seminar, from Dr. Choo-Choo
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Smack train a-comin': How to talk crap seminar, from Dr. Choo-Choo
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I’m interested what my post-doc name would be.
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Dr. Rivative
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Dr. Rivative
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Your recursive crap posting is very riveting, I assume it will continue....
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You ruin all the fun.
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day 1 of engineering school: write “i didn’t do it” a thousand times
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You didn't even need those incident reports to see this coming. There was rough ridin' video out there of sleds flying off the goddamn slide from the get go. Anybody with half a brain saw this coming. You don't need bullshit science smack talk to discover that this was a bad idea. Those dudes shouldn't be in jail tho.
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the fact that clams is having difficulty understanding who to blame is kind of the problem here. there should be a federal testing agency for all amusement park rides. and there already is! but not for water slides, for some reason.
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If its determined that these guys broke a law that can result in jail time, then they 100% should go to jail.
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If its determined that these guys broke a law that can result in jail time, then they 100% should go to jail.
That makes sense, but whoever gave the go on this project should be held responsible. Who's the final person to sign off on this death trap?
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If its determined that these guys broke a law that can result in jail time, then they 100% should go to jail.
That makes sense, but whoever gave the go on this project should be held responsible. Who's the final person to sign off on this death trap?
Nobody signed off on it. They just built a big slide and then tweaked the brakes and ramps and stuff until most of the rafts stopped flying off of it. Then they built a big net with steel bars to catch the few remaining rafts that Newton was wrong about.
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:lol: Well put.
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Remember, these guys gladly and greedily took in money for a product they knew was deadly and they didn't give a crap until a family had to collect their headless son at the end of the day. IMO these guys seem to "deserve" jail time more than some two-bit weed dealer.
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Remember, these guys gladly and greedily took in money for a product they knew was deadly and they didn't give a crap until a family had to collect their headless son at the end of the day. IMO these guys seem to "deserve" jail time more than some two-bit weed dealer.
I agree
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Remember, these guys gladly and greedily took in money for a product they knew was deadly and they didn't give a crap until a family had to collect their headless son at the end of the day. IMO these guys seem to "deserve" jail time more than some two-bit weed dealer.
Surely there's a law about knowingly putting people in danger (regardless of whether it is on a waterslide), right....................
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should have included a waiver of criminal prosecution in their waivers
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the fact that clams is having difficulty understanding who to blame is kind of the problem here. there should be a federal testing agency for all amusement park rides. and there already is! but not for water slides, for some reason.
That and failing to understand it's not the structural's job to determine if ride is tested properly. It's like blaming the structural engineer for posting the wrong off ramp speed from a highway. Not his job.
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I'm a little confused as to why people have their panties in a wad re. this guy being in jail.
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what structural engineer stamped these plans? you can’t build something like this without that can you?
The structure itself would have been engineered and stamped, that is what the AHLJ (Authority Having Local Jurisdiction, i.e. the City or County) would review and approve in the permitting process. The slide itsself would be assumed to be designed in accordance with whatever requirements cover it, just as if it was a garage door or other manufactured item.
The state would have done an inspection prior to opening to look over things such as required safety equipment, egress, etc. They also would be blind towards engineering and manufacturing aspects.
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You didn't even need those incident reports to see this coming. There was rough ridin' video out there of sleds flying off the goddamn slide from the get go. Anybody with half a brain saw this coming. You don't need bullshit science smack talk to discover that this was a bad idea. Those dudes shouldn't be in jail tho.
I mean, anyone can tell a plan is gonna fall outta the sky and kill people. If you build one and knowingly let people fly on it after you are aware the engines sometime stop you shouldn't get sued and charged with a crime.
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i'm pretty sure I get the engineering guys side on this. who should be held responsible though? the park itself for allowing the ride? the ride designers? the state for allowing it to be built? I think the park ownership but I don't know that I have the law or whatever to back me up on that.
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You didn't even need those incident reports to see this coming. There was rough ridin' video out there of sleds flying off the goddamn slide from the get go. Anybody with half a brain saw this coming. You don't need bullshit science smack talk to discover that this was a bad idea. Those dudes shouldn't be in jail tho.
I mean, anyone can tell a plan is gonna fall outta the sky and kill people. If you build one and knowingly let people fly on it after you are aware the engines sometime stop you shouldn't get sued and charged with a crime.
you should take a few minutes to explain whatever it is that you are trying to explain a little better.
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i'm pretty sure I get the engineering guys side on this. who should be held responsible though? the park itself for allowing the ride? the ride designers? the state for allowing it to be built? I think the park ownership but I don't know that I have the law or whatever to back me up on that.
had this been a case of they built it and the first person to ride it was decaptiated, you probably don't see these charges. It's the wanton disregard for the safety of the public after knowing not only from testing and the initial days of operation that this thing was unsafe and the ensuing disregard once they knew that and also began covering up incidents and willfully disregarding safety measures.
Construction negligence is similar. I as an owner of the company can be help PERSONALLY liable if OSHA or the courts find the company grossfully and willfully negligent. If I tell someone to do something that my knowledge and training have proven to be patently unsafe I can be held responsible in addition to the company. For example, we erect a scaffold and I know that that scaffold is rusted through and in danger or catastrophic failure and tell them to do it anyway, I can be found criminally and civilly liable. If I build a building and knowingly and intentionally cut corners that lead to a tragedy, I can be found criminally and civilly liable.
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I'm a little confused as to why people have their panties in a wad re. this guy being in jail.
You should really @ some people. Your statement is very vague, so I can't tell if you are referring to my posts or not.
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I'm a little confused as to why people have their panties in a wad re. this guy being in jail.
You should really @ some people. Your statement is very vague, so I can't tell if you are referring to my posts or not.
i can see how my statement was vague, but i 100% agree with you.
i'm @ing wacky and whoever agreed with him a few pages ago. the talk about the "criminal justice theater." i can't think of a more obvious flight risk on paper than an owner of an international company who lives in brownsville and is facing murder/manslaughter charges.
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You didn't even need those incident reports to see this coming. There was rough ridin' video out there of sleds flying off the goddamn slide from the get go. Anybody with half a brain saw this coming. You don't need bullshit science smack talk to discover that this was a bad idea. Those dudes shouldn't be in jail tho.
I mean, anyone can tell a plan is gonna fall outta the sky and kill people. If you build one and knowingly let people fly on it after you are aware the engines sometime stop you shouldn't get sued and charged with a crime.
you should take a few minutes to explain whatever it is that you are trying to explain a little better.
It's just a response to Wacky's cavalierness. Yes, amusement parks can be unsafe places, but people like Wacky who are excusing the facts here under the guise of "should have known better" are morons. The public has a right to the assumption of reasonable safety. Getting on an airplane is also inherent unsafe, but there is an expectation that safety and maintenance are important. If an airline willfully stops maintainenance and an aircraft crashes, you can bet there will be criminal charges.
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You didn't even need those incident reports to see this coming. There was rough ridin' video out there of sleds flying off the goddamn slide from the get go. Anybody with half a brain saw this coming. You don't need bullshit science smack talk to discover that this was a bad idea. Those dudes shouldn't be in jail tho.
I mean, anyone can tell a plan is gonna fall outta the sky and kill people. If you build one and knowingly let people fly on it after you are aware the engines sometime stop you shouldn't get sued and charged with a crime.
you should take a few minutes to explain whatever it is that you are trying to explain a little better.
It's just a response to Wacky's cavalierness. Yes, amusement parks can be unsafe places, but people like Wacky who are excusing the facts here under the guise of "should have known better" are morons. The public has a right to the assumption of reasonable safety. Getting on an airplane is also inherent unsafe, but there is an expectation that safety and maintenance are important. If an airline willfully stops maintainenance and an aircraft crashes, you can bet there will be criminal charges.
completely agree
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If the things in this indictment are true, jail time is completely appropriate. This was not a fluke or a freak accident. As has been noted, this was gross negligence and completely preventable.
A death wasn't a matter of if, but when.
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i'm pretty sure I get the engineering guys side on this. who should be held responsible though? the park itself for allowing the ride? the ride designers? the state for allowing it to be built? I think the park ownership but I don't know that I have the law or whatever to back me up on that.
had this been a case of they built it and the first person to ride it was decaptiated, you probably don't see these charges. It's the wanton disregard for the safety of the public after knowing not only from testing and the initial days of operation that this thing was unsafe and the ensuing disregard once they knew that and also began covering up incidents and willfully disregarding safety measures.
Construction negligence is similar. I as an owner of the company can be help PERSONALLY liable if OSHA or the courts find the company grossfully and willfully negligent. If I tell someone to do something that my knowledge and training have proven to be patently unsafe I can be held responsible in addition to the company. For example, we erect a scaffold and I know that that scaffold is rusted through and in danger or catastrophic failure and tell them to do it anyway, I can be found criminally and civilly liable. If I build a building and knowingly and intentionally cut corners that lead to a tragedy, I can be found criminally and civilly liable.
That is it right there. It's them knowing it was unsafe after testing, and still going forward with it anyways, and touting it as "safe". And yes, that guy should be in jail. Blaming engineering or permiters of building the thing is wrong because that is not in their scope of work in this case.
The real cavalier person in all of this isn't so much Wacky IMO but the guy who said "eh, it might cause us problems allowing people this ride but YOLO" when continuing to operate it.
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maybe we can blame the electrical engineers? if they hadn't provided adequate power for the death slide, that kid would still be alive
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did anyone on this blog ride the thing?
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and goddam we got some touchy structural engineers
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i was going to but you had to reserve your spot in line at like 8 am or some ridiculous thing
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and goddam we got some touchy structural engineers
:lol:
Lol if you think I'm structural
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and goddam we got some touchy structural engineers
:lol:
Lol if you think I'm structural
I honestly don't know if I was referring to you but just speaking to the overall vibe the PE's are giving off because clams is clowning on them. but I get it at the same time!
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and goddam we got some touchy structural engineers
:lol:
Lol if you think I'm structural
I honestly don't know if I was referring to you but just speaking to the overall vibe the PE's are giving off because clams is clowning on them. but I get it at the same time!
yeah clams was just clowning around guys!
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and goddam we got some touchy structural engineers
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No joke. Sheesh.
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should have posted it in meme form so all the PE's wouldn't get tricked!
(https://i.imgflip.com/27ba32.jpg)
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someone who makes me uncomfortable central
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I really liked the story about the guy who "designed" this thing bragging about it to some other guy who just broke his foot sliding down it. It really gives you a sense of the overall level of intelligence we are working with.
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Don't make fun of engineers, guys! Sheesh. You rough ridin' downgrades have no idea how hard it is. :shakesfist:
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Don't make fun of engineers, guys! Sheesh. You rough ridin' downgrades have no idea how hard it is. :shakesfist:
It's actually very easy. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
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You didn't even need those incident reports to see this coming. There was rough ridin' video out there of sleds flying off the goddamn slide from the get go. Anybody with half a brain saw this coming. You don't need bullshit science smack talk to discover that this was a bad idea. Those dudes shouldn't be in jail tho.
I mean, anyone can tell a plan is gonna fall outta the sky and kill people. If you build one and knowingly let people fly on it after you are aware the engines sometime stop you shouldn't get sued and charged with a crime.
you should take a few minutes to explain whatever it is that you are trying to explain a little better.
It's just a response to Wacky's cavalierness. Yes, amusement parks can be unsafe places, but people like Wacky who are excusing the facts here under the guise of "should have known better" are morons. The public has a right to the assumption of reasonable safety. Getting on an airplane is also inherent unsafe, but there is an expectation that safety and maintenance are important. If an airline willfully stops maintainenance and an aircraft crashes, you can bet there will be criminal charges.
It is explicitly against the law for an airplane to continue flying without the proper maintenance.
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and goddam we got some touchy structural engineers
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it’s hilarious how the engineers in this thread are devoid of any guilt. the public relied on them to keep us all safe and they failed. I don’t see any reason to trust an engineer again. you can expect the state to overhaul the engineering requirements asap. hopefully they make it retroactive, as it seems many here could use a refresher course or two
if you do the crime you are going to do the time, even if you’re a white collar engineer. this is just as bad as a gang drive by or bank robbery
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should have posted it in meme form so all the PE's wouldn't get tricked!
(https://i.imgflip.com/27ba32.jpg)
what a great meme, I bet this thing goes viral on the asap
pussy ass engineer. kid dies, engineer makes stupid pictures and jokes
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Hey PClams, it's time you post a pic of your PE stamp with signature and today's date.
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Hey PClams, it's time you post a pic of your PE stamp with signature and today's date.
Yeah clams, you best come with your stamp or don't come at all
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Guys I've played rollercoaster tycoon like a lot and I've killed a lot of people....and I kind of enjoyed it....I feel like I am partially to blame here.
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i just can't believe all of the engineers itt didn't catch on that clams was just clowning around and not asking a serious question
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Structural engineer joke: I stand beside my work. But not on it or under it.
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If I build something that I know, or learn later, that is super duper dangerous and highly likely to hurt people, how am I different than a drunk driver who hurts people?
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If I build something that I know, or learn later, that is super duper dangerous and highly likely to hurt people, how am I different than a drunk driver who hurts people?
THIS IS A CLOWNING AROUND TYPE QUESTION; DO NOT RESPOND
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https://www.injuryrelief.com/blog/how-is-representative-scott-schwab-not-a-hypocrite/
leaving here
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If I build something that I know, or learn later, that is super duper dangerous and highly likely to hurt people, how am I different than a drunk driver who hurts people?
The drunk driver has the excuse of at least being impaired.
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My ranking of who I blame for this death slide in order (professional real serious answer here)
* Designer guy
* Owner guy
* Anybody who had knowledge of testing failures and didn't speak up
* Lack of state regulations on super tall joy rides
* Lack of enforcement of any regulations on books by state departments (including waving of those rules through agreements)
* Engineering guys for not using logic to be like...uhh guys...this doesn't look safe
* Local govt for allowing this without proper vetting
* Isaac Newton
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You forgot the lawyer who tried to intimidate a 17 year old lifeguard; or are you leaving him out because that was after the death?
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You forgot the lawyer who tried to intimidate a 17 year old lifeguard; or are you leaving him out because that was after the death?
I thought that was the owner ...but yeah at that point the death slide was fully operational.
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I mean, murder just seems like a bit of a stretch to me...
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You forgot the lawyer who tried to intimidate a 17 year old lifeguard; or are you leaving him out because that was after the death?
I thought that was the owner ...but yeah at that point the death slide was fully operational.
I thought it was a lawyer acting on the owner's behalf but I could be wrong.
How about that dad that got his face smashed on a concrete wall and then let them talk him into changing his story? (At least that's what I understood from the indictment.)
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You forgot the lawyer who tried to intimidate a 17 year old lifeguard; or are you leaving him out because that was after the death?
I thought that was the owner ...but yeah at that point the death slide was fully operational.
I thought it was a lawyer acting on the owner's behalf but I could be wrong.
How about that dad that got his face smashed on a concrete wall and then let them talk him into changing his story? (At least that's what I understood from the indictment.)
I'm listing pre construction....not fault of the kid death....but yes he would be right above Newton if I was.
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I can't believe Phil killed this kid.
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I can't believe Phil killed this kid.
Not my proudest moment on rollercoaster tycoon. Who knew when I hit "print" that meant IRL make this death slide.
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Some Plaintiffs' attorney is going to file a hilarious lawsuit on behalf of everyone who road this slide and could have gotten hurt, and who has suffered extreme emotional distress as a result of finding out they could have been hurt.
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Some Plaintiffs' attorney is going to file a hilarious lawsuit on behalf of everyone who road this slide and could have gotten hurt, and who has suffered extreme emotional distress as a result of finding out they could have been hurt.
phenomenal idea. i'm getting the LLP docs together now.
Limestone, Sprac? You guys want a piece of this cla$$ action?
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i just can't believe all of the engineers itt didn't catch on that clams was just clowning around and not asking a serious question
once again, looks like ol' sleuthcat has me figured out.
can't sneak anything by this crafty lil' brown
you rough ridin' downgrade, i copied and pasted it from the idiots at phog.net, keep up the great work, dumbass
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Some Plaintiffs' attorney is going to file a hilarious lawsuit on behalf of everyone who road this slide and could have gotten hurt, and who has suffered extreme emotional distress as a result of finding out they could have been hurt.
phenomenal idea. i'm getting the LLP docs together now.
Limestone, Sprac? You guys want a piece of this cla$$ action?
My re-tort is a simple no.
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Some Plaintiffs' attorney is going to file a hilarious lawsuit on behalf of everyone who road this slide and could have gotten hurt, and who has suffered extreme emotional distress as a result of finding out they could have been hurt.
phenomenal idea. i'm getting the LLP docs together now.
Limestone, Sprac? You guys want a piece of this cla$$ action?
Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) has some very good ideas sometimes.
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Some Plaintiffs' attorney is going to file a hilarious lawsuit on behalf of everyone who road this slide and could have gotten hurt, and who has suffered extreme emotional distress as a result of finding out they could have been hurt.
phenomenal idea. i'm getting the LLP docs together now.
Limestone, Sprac? You guys want a piece of this cla$$ action?
My re-tort is a simple no.
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fine. more lamborghinis for me and limestone.
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i just can't believe all of the engineers itt didn't catch on that clams was just clowning around and not asking a serious question
once again, looks like ol' sleuthcat has me figured out.
can't sneak anything by this crafty lil' brown
you rough ridin' downgrade, i copied and pasted it from the idiots at phog.net, keep up the great work, dumbass
i can't believe i ever thought you would ask such an obviously moronic question. not surprised to hear that it originated from that cesspool of yard house shift managers, et al
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if you were truly a sleuth you would have known
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100% of the people that were bothered by this guy getting locked up have sided with cops in a dash cam video that shows them merking some guy on the side of the road because they didn't follow orders.
Seeing someone in a desk job get brought to justice is more unsettling to them.
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clams has taught me never to stamp anything ever
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Good grief...
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Reminds me of a news story recently that was talking about the Hyatt skywalk disaster and they said it used to be the biggest engineering disaster in the US....until 9/11 ....
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clams has taught me never to stamp anything ever
except faces
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Reminds me of a news story recently that was talking about the Hyatt skywalk disaster and they said it used to be the biggest engineering disaster in the US....until 9/11 ....
infowars?
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Reminds me of a news story recently that was talking about the Hyatt skywalk disaster and they said it used to be the biggest engineering disaster in the US....until 9/11 ....
infowars?
Local news...so same quality I guess
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the MSM is biased toward structural
what about industrial disasters?
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_City_disaster)
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the MSM is biased toward structural
what about industrial disasters?
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_City_disaster)
okay, maybe that shouldn't count as an engineering disaster
but this one should!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sultana_(steamboat) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sultana_(steamboat))
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100% of the people that were bothered by this guy getting locked up have sided with cops in a dash cam video that shows them merking some guy on the side of the road because they didn't follow orders.
Seeing someone in a desk job get brought to justice is more unsettling to them.
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i just can't believe all of the engineers itt didn't catch on that clams was just clowning around and not asking a serious question
once again, looks like ol' sleuthcat has me figured out.
can't sneak anything by this crafty lil' brown
you rough ridin' downgrade, i copied and pasted it from the idiots at phog.net, keep up the great work, dumbass
:lol:
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i just can't believe all of the engineers itt didn't catch on that clams was just clowning around and not asking a serious question
once again, looks like ol' sleuthcat has me figured out.
can't sneak anything by this crafty lil' brown
you rough ridin' downgrade, i copied and pasted it from the idiots at phog.net, keep up the great work, dumbass
i can't believe i ever thought you would ask such an obviously moronic question. not surprised to hear that it originated from that cesspool of yard house shift managers, et al
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I obviously think jail time is weird, but I don't really understand how these things work. Do you guys think they designed this thing to kill someone? I just find it weird someone is going to jail for trying to create a fun water park for ppl and now they're in jail with real killers. Do you guys think that guy who jumped from a roller coaster because a snake fell in his seat at worlds of fun should ask for the creator of that ride be put in jail because they didn't create a shield for snakes falling in the ride?
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It doesn’t matter if they designed it to kill someone or not. That literally has nothing to do with anything in this specific case. They were negligent in designing it, their intend has exactly 0% to do with what is going on. I mean is that seriously an argument that is being brought up right now?
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I mean that is borderline sub 70 IQ logic
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It doesn’t matter if they designed it to kill someone or not. That literally has nothing to do with anything in this specific case. They were negligent in designing it, their intend has exactly 0% to do with what is going on. I mean is that seriously an argument that is being brought up right now?
Not surprised that TBT is wrong on multiple accounts, here.
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*with respect to the murder charge (for reasons that are probably not of general interest)
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It doesn’t matter if they designed it to kill someone or not. That literally has nothing to do with anything in this specific case. They were negligent in designing it, their intend has exactly 0% to do with what is going on. I mean is that seriously an argument that is being brought up right now?
Not surprised that TBT is wrong on multiple accounts, here.
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Probably in a legality light some of those things matter. The whole argument Wacky just posted is absolutely astonishing. IMO.
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Murder is weird, but maybe it's the same as negligent homicide in Kansas, I dunno. Manslaughter at the least seems appropriate.
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I obviously think jail time is weird, but I don't really understand how these things work. Do you guys think they designed this thing to kill someone? I just find it weird someone is going to jail for trying to create a fun water park for ppl and now they're in jail with real killers. Do you guys think that guy who jumped from a roller coaster because a snake fell in his seat at worlds of fun should ask for the creator of that ride be put in jail because they didn't create a shield for snakes falling in the ride?
I'll ask again...what should happen to them wacks? You've spoken out against jail and monetary damages.....maybe they should just say they are really sorry and let this thing go?
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I suppose I should clarify where I stand. I feel that civil penalties are sufficient to deter future conduct. While you could make a colorable argument that the conduct fits one of the definitions of second degree murder in Kansas, it doesn't seem to me to jive with the spirit of the law. I don't like the fact that the family is availed of extraordinary measures simply due to their political position. I don't take issue with every single criminal charge, but at the very least, the murder charge has me very side-eye-y.
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yeah 2nd degree murder only seems like a charge because of the dad's position in gov't...and didn't his dad vote to ease these regulations?
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yeah 2nd degree murder only seems like a charge because of the dad's position in gov't...and didn't his dad vote to ease these regulations?
He voted on a bill to cap non-economic tort damages at 300,000 dollars, then turned around and settled for 20M.
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I don’t think it’s crazy for people to be expecting criminal charges here. We all have seen folks like Bernie Madoff or the Pharma guy (Skreli?) get put in jail for a long time for screwing people out of their money. If these guys really did knowingly build a death trap and then convince people to ride it so they could get rich, it sure seems like they should suffer at least the same fate.
Haven’t read the statutes but I’ve got to imagine this kind of reckless attitude toward safety (again, if the risks really were as apparent as people now seem to think) is sufficient for some kind of manslaughter charge.
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And for the JV lawyers, I don’t know how in the world you could prove pain & suffering damages on a class-wide basis.
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You couldn't. It would need to be more like a mass action (think: Mesothelioma or drug injury cases) than a class action. Plus, Kansas requires proof of actual injury if proceeding on a theory of negligent infliction of emotional distress. And it excludes PTSD-type diagnoses from those injuries. In short, Kansas is not very friendly to tort victims.
That said, any family members who witnessed this catastrophe do have a potential claim (But ironically their damages are capped at $300K due to the aforementioned bill voted on by the father).
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What constitutes a class/mass action suit to begin with? I mean there are a relative(strictly how many injuries per total riders) small amount of people affected, and only the people there to witness the actual death result. I guess I think of class/mass action as more than one site, plus a larger group of people.
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Making late night house calls!
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What constitutes a class/mass action suit to begin with? I mean there are a relative(strictly how many injuries per total riders) small amount of people affected, and only the people there to witness the actual death result. I guess I think of class/mass action as more than one site, plus a larger group of people.
I don't think many people are interested in my response to this, but if you genuinely are, feel free to slide in my DMs.
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I mean that is borderline sub 70 IQ logic
if someone is questioning your expertise is sub human and dumb than eff human kind. I'm legit trying to get to reason here. I had to handle for profit for education questions many times without judging a persons IQ. Sorry your craft is being judged right now. Grow up.
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Also, eff off.
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I obviously think jail time is weird, but I don't really understand how these things work. Do you guys think they designed this thing to kill someone? I just find it weird someone is going to jail for trying to create a fun water park for ppl and now they're in jail with real killers. Do you guys think that guy who jumped from a roller coaster because a snake fell in his seat at worlds of fun should ask for the creator of that ride be put in jail because they didn't create a shield for snakes falling in the ride?
I'll ask again...what should happen to them wacks? You've spoken out against jail and monetary damages.....maybe they should just say they are really sorry and let this thing go?
You should probably give up KC reviews for punishment
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I mean that is borderline sub 70 IQ logic
if someone is questioning your expertise is sub human and dumb than eff human kind. I'm legit trying to get to reason here. I had to handle for profit for education questions many times without judging a persons IQ. Sorry your craft is being judged right now. Grow up.
I also judge double majors. Sack up and pick something already or declare a major.
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Merking?
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Sorry your craft is being judged right now. Grow up.
blockchain didn't kill that kid
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I mean that is borderline sub 70 IQ logic
if someone is questioning your expertise is sub human and dumb than eff human kind. I'm legit trying to get to reason here. I had to handle for profit for education questions many times without judging a persons IQ. Sorry your craft is being judged right now. Grow up.
I also judge double majors. Sack up and pick something already or declare a major.
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So you judge people who want to obtain more knowledge? Seems weird. My craft isn’t being questioned, I don’t do structural or mechanical engineering. I just think saying someone should be absolved of everything because they just wanted to create a fun water park is pretty simplistic reasoning.
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I mean that is borderline sub 70 IQ logic
if someone is questioning your expertise is sub human and dumb than eff human kind. I'm legit trying to get to reason here. I had to handle for profit for education questions many times without judging a persons IQ. Sorry your craft is being judged right now. Grow up.
I also judge double majors. Sack up and pick something already or declare a major.
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So you judge people who want to obtain more knowledge? Seems weird. My craft isn’t being questioned, I don’t do structural or mechanical engineering. I just think saying someone should be absolved of everything because they just wanted to create a fun water park is pretty simplistic reasoning.
I have the utmost respect for double majors because I know that I couldn't do it.
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I obviously think jail time is weird, but I don't really understand how these things work. Do you guys think they designed this thing to kill someone? I just find it weird someone is going to jail for trying to create a fun water park for ppl and now they're in jail with real killers. Do you guys think that guy who jumped from a roller coaster because a snake fell in his seat at worlds of fun should ask for the creator of that ride be put in jail because they didn't create a shield for snakes falling in the ride?
I'll ask again...what should happen to them wacks? You've spoken out against jail and monetary damages.....maybe they should just say they are really sorry and let this thing go?
Live ride safety boundary test subjects.
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I just find it weird someone is going to jail for trying to create a fun water park for ppl and now they're in jail with real killers.
He's not going to jail for trying to create a fun water park ride for people. He's going to jail for showing a pretty blatant disregard if those people live or not.
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I suppose I should clarify where I stand. I feel that civil penalties are sufficient to deter future conduct. While you could make a colorable argument that the conduct fits one of the definitions of second degree murder in Kansas, it doesn't seem to me to jive with the spirit of the law. I don't like the fact that the family is availed of extraordinary measures simply due to their political position. I don't take issue with every single criminal charge, but at the very least, the murder charge has me very side-eye-y.
Kansas' second degree murder statute is fairly standard in that it provides for an unintentional killing with an extreme indifference to the value of human life.
I'm not sure that the his dad's political status has much to do with the prosecutor's decision. It's a gruesome and horrifically tragic episode -- a final destination movie come to life. Anytime a child's head gets lopped off at an amusement park, it's going to be a pretty emotional case, no matter who the kid's dad is. The community wants retribution for this, and given that the conduct (arguably) fits the second degree murder elements, I don't have a problem with the charge. I also wouldn't have a problem if the guy gets acquitted.
No doubt the prosecutor swung for the fences -- and the case is far from a slam dunk. It'll be interesting to see if a plea deal happens.
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Sure does seem like a high level of indifference can be easily proven by the info that’s available to us.
Again, I mentioned it earlier, but it really doesn’t seem too much different to me than killing someone while driving drunk. Didn’t MEAN to do it, but you knew you were taking unnecessary risk for selfish reasons. A person can drive drunk thousands of times successfully without getting in a wreck....but then...
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Sure does seem like a high level of indifference can be easily proven by the info that’s available to us.
Again, I mentioned it earlier, but it really doesn’t seem too much different to me than killing someone while driving drunk. Didn’t MEAN to do it, but you knew you were taking unnecessary risk for selfish reasons. A person can drive drunk thousands of times successfully without getting in a wreck....but then...
this is a fair logic.
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https://www.injuryrelief.com/blog/how-is-representative-scott-schwab-not-a-hypocrite/
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https://twitter.com/knssradio/status/981161506862780416
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Not saying those dudes don't deserve what they have coming to them. In hindsight, though, they maybe should have gone into hiding in another country for their own sakes. Pretty bad mix of public outcry against them and a person of means hell bent on taking them down. Seems like a no win situation.
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Is it Schwab driving this?
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That really is like the craziest design ever. I just don't understand the thought process behind putting metal bars across the top on something that had to have a weight limit to ensure people didnt go airborne.
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That really is like the craziest design ever. I just don't understand the thought process behind putting metal bars across the top on something that had to have a weight limit to ensure people didnt go airborne.
Buncha dumbass engineers
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That really is like the craziest design ever. I just don't understand the thought process behind putting metal bars across the top on something that had to have a weight limit to ensure people didnt go airborne.
I mean, it did stop them from going too airborne...
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I would have designed that top net to be covered by fluffy pillows, but I know more than those guys, so who knows.
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I'd have made the slide so that it didn't launch rafts up into the air.
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I hadn't actually looked at a pic of the thing before. There's a giant hump in the middle. When you're going really fast, I believe that's known to physicists and engineers as a "ramp."
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I hadn't actually looked at a pic of the thing before. There's a giant hump in the middle. When you're going really fast, I believe that's known to physicists and engineers as a "ramp."
Yeah, I think that portion is probably this slide's danger zone.
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How long did this slide operate before killing someone? I was thinking it went a few years since opening of the ride without anyone dying.
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Nice setting.
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https://www.injuryrelief.com/blog/how-is-representative-scott-schwab-not-a-hypocrite/
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Second that
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I hadn't actually looked at a pic of the thing before. There's a giant hump in the middle. When you're going really fast, I believe that's known to physicists and engineers as a "ramp."
I think the hump was changed after some airborne rafts during testing, to be less deathy.
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would you believe it if i told you that they put the ramp/jump in as an afterthought b/c the boats were going too fast without it and the original set up was too dangerous? because that’s what happened
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How long did this slide operate before killing someone? I was thinking it went a few years since opening of the ride without anyone dying.
The indictment details fourteen injuries suffered by guests who rode the slide. The first report was of a fourteen-year-old’s concussion in 2014. Other injured riders included a 46-year-old man whose eye was swollen shut after his raft collided with a concrete wall (which led operations manager Miles, according to the indictment, to force medical staff to alter their reports), and the ten-year-old Schwab, whose injury is described in the document as “decapitation.”
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would you believe it if i told you that they put the ramp/jump in as an afterthought b/c the boats were going too fast without it and the original set up was too dangerous? because that’s what happened
Oh yeah, by "changed the hump" I really meant "changed from no to a hump".
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would you believe it if i told you that they put the ramp/jump in as an afterthought b/c the boats were going too fast without it and the original set up was too dangerous? because that’s what happened
that's not what happened, they changed the design to alter the shape of the hump, and even though it was still problematic they said hold my beer, we're gonna get this thing done so we can be on tv and not get more embarrassed by missing out on more summer after missing our original 2 opening dates.
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would you believe it if i told you that they put the ramp/jump in as an afterthought b/c the boats were going too fast without it and the original set up was too dangerous? because that’s what happened
that's not what happened, they changed the design to alter the shape of the hump, and even though it was still problematic they said hold my beer, we're gonna get this thing done so we can be on tv and not get more embarrassed by missing out on more summer after missing our original 2 opening dates.
it’s exactly what happened
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another clams joke goes over my head I guess
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another clams joke goes over my head I guess
It didn't go over your head, your head collided with the protective netting.
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another clams joke goes over my head I guess
It didn't go over your head, your head collided with the protective netting.
yet we can't lol at Wainright's mug shot?
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another clams joke goes over my head I guess
It didn't go over your head, your head collided with the protective netting.
yet we can't lol at Wainright's mug shot?
i can't speak for kk about anything, but you can lol at it all you want about the wainright thing i guess. i just don't get the waiting around for it and then being excited when it comes out and then laughing at it. knock yourself out though. nothing quite as entertaining about a normal looking dude in a mug shot that may or may not have done anything. yay! party! let's laugh at him! :party: :party: :party:
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I didn't even lol. Just said if Greg wants to no reason to beat him up. I hope AW assists the police in catching the person who is shooting at cars
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I didn't even lol. Just said if Greg wants to no reason to beat him up. I hope AW assists the police in catching the person who is shooting at cars
fair. lol all you want greg.
still a weird look in my opinion. just overzealous and with no reason. did wainright actually do something? no clue. is the picture weird or loly? nope. knock himself out though and continue lolling at the guy for whatever reason he's lolling at him though i guess.
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i think he was lolling because of how wainright's losing a scholarship.
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Do you think maybe he typed "Hahahaha" but was not actually lolling?
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I didn't even lol. Just said if Greg wants to no reason to beat him up. I hope AW assists the police in catching the person who is shooting at cars
fair. lol all you want greg.
still a weird look in my opinion. just overzealous and with no reason. did wainright actually do something? no clue. is the picture weird or loly? nope. knock himself out though and continue lolling at the guy for whatever reason he's lolling at him though i guess.
Did AW design the slide? :dubious:
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Do you think maybe he typed "Hahahaha" but was not actually lolling?
oh, i don't think so. greg has always presented himself as an honest poster, i'd hate to think it was all an elaborate ruse.
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Do you think maybe he typed "Hahahaha" but was not actually lolling?
oh, i don't think so. greg has always presented himself as an honest poster, i'd hate to think it was all an elaborate ruse.
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All i know that decapitation and these charges are nothing to lol about. :'bye cruel world:
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This will be a fun motif to play out in the coming days.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/24/us/water-slide-death-charges.html