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So, I hadn't heard a anything about this until this morning, but Bob Fescoe was on the radio talking up a new $16M basketball dormitory and facility that KU had planned.
This has me pretty concerned. If this thing is as good as Fescoe claims, then KU may start beating us on recruiting. You think we win the battle over Spradling if that thing were done 4 years ago? I really doubt it. Sure Dominique Sutton chose us over KU WITHOUT our new facility, I get that, but not all kids think the same way.
Our new basketball facility is one of the best in the country, but we cannot sit still. We may have better facilities than KU RIGHT NOW, but that's not going to last forever.
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Did you misunderstand him and think he meant football? Because, WGAF about basketball?
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Did you misunderstand him and think he meant football? Because, WGAF about basketball?
I know, I know, but I still really like the idea that we have vastly better facilities than KU, but I fear it's not going to last and we might start losing recruits to them. Heck, I like beating them in Crew as well...the sport doesn't really matter, I guess. :dunno:
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I'm thinking new Jardine is better than anything they can build.
Maybe just take one of the sweet new buildings there and call it the #bruceketball dormitory and call it even? :dunno:
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I'm thinking new Jardine is better than anything they can build.
Maybe just take one of the sweet new buildings there and call it the #bruceketball dormitory and call it even? :dunno:
I'm pretty sure a few players already live there.
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I'm thinking new Jardine is better than anything they can build.
Maybe just take one of the sweet new buildings there and call it the #bruceketball dormitory and call it even? :dunno:
I'm pretty sure a few players already live there.
Yes, but just make it official. A "Hey basketball recruits considering KU and K-State, we have one too." kind of thing.
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This is the next logical move for K-State:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1723178-oklahomas-new-75-million-headington-hall-will-lure-football-recruits (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1723178-oklahomas-new-75-million-headington-hall-will-lure-football-recruits)
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Hopefully if they lock the recruits up in this new advanced dormatory, it will keep them from bashing their gf's heads into sinks at house parties. :dunno: :crossfingers:
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This is the next logical move for K-State:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1723178-oklahomas-new-75-million-headington-hall-will-lure-football-recruits (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1723178-oklahomas-new-75-million-headington-hall-will-lure-football-recruits)
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We would become unbeatable and the rest of college football would throw us out.
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This is the next logical move for K-State:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1723178-oklahomas-new-75-million-headington-hall-will-lure-football-recruits (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1723178-oklahomas-new-75-million-headington-hall-will-lure-football-recruits)
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agreed, someone email currie a link and lets get this done before ku finishes its gridiron club
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So anyway, I can kind of see Pete's concern but in reality this is way too dirty. NCAA won't allow it and even if they would, KU is too classy to do it.
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This is the next logical move for K-State:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1723178-oklahomas-new-75-million-headington-hall-will-lure-football-recruits (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1723178-oklahomas-new-75-million-headington-hall-will-lure-football-recruits)
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I want it so bad
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Its really not that far off of what K-State did with Jardine, we probably just need to promote it for athletes more. As the article said, you can't have athletes-only dorms anymore. Jardine is nearly as close to the stadium as OU's place is as well, from what I understand we "sell" Jardine as a great place for football/basketball players anyway.
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http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2013/dec/20/plans-filed-five-story-apartment-retail-building-a/ (http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2013/dec/20/plans-filed-five-story-apartment-retail-building-a/)
A new five-story apartment and retail building — complete with a robotic-powered parking garage — may be coming to a site across the street from Kansas University's Memorial Stadium.
Plans have been filed at Lawrence City Hall for a major mixed-used development on the existing site of the Berkeley Flats apartment complex at 1101 Indiana St.
"We think it is a very strategic site in the city that is being underutilized currently," said Jim Heffernan, a principal with Chicago-based student housing developer HERE LLC.
The site is directly east of the stadium and is along the Mississippi Street gateway to campus.
Details of the proposed development include:
• 156 apartments —totaling about 600 bedrooms — would be located on three of the building's five floors. Each apartment would include an 18-foot-high great room, designed to give the units the feel of an urban loft.
• Retail and restaurant uses would be located along both the Mississippi Street and Indiana Street levels of the building. In total, the plans call for about 11,000 square feet of retail shops or restaurants.
• The development would have a 592-space parking garage spread out over three levels, including an underground level. The garage would use an "automated, robotic parking garage system" to park and retrieve cars.
The system involves the motorist pulling into a large elevator-like box and exiting the vehicle. The garage then uses an elevator system to place the vehicle on the appropriate floor, and a lift-and-track system that moves the vehicle to the right space.
Cars are retrieved through a sort of electronic valet system. Heffernan estimated it takes about three to five minutes to retrieve a vehicle.
Heffernan says the parking systems are relatively common in Europe and Asia and are becoming more common in the U.S., especially when developing projects in space-constrained areas. Because it doesn't need entrance and exit ramps, Heffernan estimates the garage will use about 40 percent less space than a traditional one.
"We think the system produces a lot of benefits," said Heffernan, noting reduced CO2 emissions and better security for the vehicles.
Heffernan said his company is using the system for a 26-story multi-use development it has under construction near the campus of the University of Illinois. Heffernan said the company's Lawrence plans are part of a strategy for the company to create a national brand of student-living developments.
"We really like the Lawrence market," Heffernan said. "We think it is a progressive community, anchored by a great university."
The project is seeking to rezone the 2.3-acre Berkeley Flats site from its traditional RM-32 apartment zoning to a relatively new mixed-used zoning.
Heffernan said he hopes the project will win the necessary City Hall approvals by mid-2014 and that construction could begin later in the year. He hopes to have the development open by the 2016 school year.
:Wha:
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http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2013/dec/20/plans-filed-five-story-apartment-retail-building-a/ (http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2013/dec/20/plans-filed-five-story-apartment-retail-building-a/)
A new five-story apartment and retail building — complete with a robotic-powered parking garage — may be coming to a site across the street from Kansas University's Memorial Stadium.
Plans have been filed at Lawrence City Hall for a major mixed-used development on the existing site of the Berkeley Flats apartment complex at 1101 Indiana St.
"We think it is a very strategic site in the city that is being underutilized currently," said Jim Heffernan, a principal with Chicago-based student housing developer HERE LLC.
The site is directly east of the stadium and is along the Mississippi Street gateway to campus.
Details of the proposed development include:
• 156 apartments —totaling about 600 bedrooms — would be located on three of the building's five floors. Each apartment would include an 18-foot-high great room, designed to give the units the feel of an urban loft.
• Retail and restaurant uses would be located along both the Mississippi Street and Indiana Street levels of the building. In total, the plans call for about 11,000 square feet of retail shops or restaurants.
• The development would have a 592-space parking garage spread out over three levels, including an underground level. The garage would use an "automated, robotic parking garage system" to park and retrieve cars.
The system involves the motorist pulling into a large elevator-like box and exiting the vehicle. The garage then uses an elevator system to place the vehicle on the appropriate floor, and a lift-and-track system that moves the vehicle to the right space.
Cars are retrieved through a sort of electronic valet system. Heffernan estimated it takes about three to five minutes to retrieve a vehicle.
Heffernan says the parking systems are relatively common in Europe and Asia and are becoming more common in the U.S., especially when developing projects in space-constrained areas. Because it doesn't need entrance and exit ramps, Heffernan estimates the garage will use about 40 percent less space than a traditional one.
"We think the system produces a lot of benefits," said Heffernan, noting reduced CO2 emissions and better security for the vehicles.
Heffernan said his company is using the system for a 26-story multi-use development it has under construction near the campus of the University of Illinois. Heffernan said the company's Lawrence plans are part of a strategy for the company to create a national brand of student-living developments.
"We really like the Lawrence market," Heffernan said. "We think it is a progressive community, anchored by a great university."
The project is seeking to rezone the 2.3-acre Berkeley Flats site from its traditional RM-32 apartment zoning to a relatively new mixed-used zoning.
Heffernan said he hopes the project will win the necessary City Hall approvals by mid-2014 and that construction could begin later in the year. He hopes to have the development open by the 2016 school year.
:Wha:
Havsy has a lot of fun insight on this project.
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The buzz is that the building will incorporate a lot of surveillance and tracking tools (hardware and software) that ku's basketball chumps will never be aware of. The AD wants to stem the tide of alcholism, drug abuse, and domestic violence against women, and the recruits who land in this new dorm won't even realize they're being monitored damn near 24/7. The overlords in Lawrentucky are going to start managing the uncontrollable crime that is the ku basketball program.
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http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2013/dec/20/plans-filed-five-story-apartment-retail-building-a/ (http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2013/dec/20/plans-filed-five-story-apartment-retail-building-a/)
A new five-story apartment and retail building — complete with a robotic-powered parking garage — may be coming to a site across the street from Kansas University's Memorial Stadium.
Plans have been filed at Lawrence City Hall for a major mixed-used development on the existing site of the Berkeley Flats apartment complex at 1101 Indiana St.
"We think it is a very strategic site in the city that is being underutilized currently," said Jim Heffernan, a principal with Chicago-based student housing developer HERE LLC.
The site is directly east of the stadium and is along the Mississippi Street gateway to campus.
Details of the proposed development include:
• 156 apartments —totaling about 600 bedrooms — would be located on three of the building's five floors. Each apartment would include an 18-foot-high great room, designed to give the units the feel of an urban loft.
• Retail and restaurant uses would be located along both the Mississippi Street and Indiana Street levels of the building. In total, the plans call for about 11,000 square feet of retail shops or restaurants.
• The development would have a 592-space parking garage spread out over three levels, including an underground level. The garage would use an "automated, robotic parking garage system" to park and retrieve cars.
The system involves the motorist pulling into a large elevator-like box and exiting the vehicle. The garage then uses an elevator system to place the vehicle on the appropriate floor, and a lift-and-track system that moves the vehicle to the right space.
Cars are retrieved through a sort of electronic valet system. Heffernan estimated it takes about three to five minutes to retrieve a vehicle.
Heffernan says the parking systems are relatively common in Europe and Asia and are becoming more common in the U.S., especially when developing projects in space-constrained areas. Because it doesn't need entrance and exit ramps, Heffernan estimates the garage will use about 40 percent less space than a traditional one.
"We think the system produces a lot of benefits," said Heffernan, noting reduced CO2 emissions and better security for the vehicles.
Heffernan said his company is using the system for a 26-story multi-use development it has under construction near the campus of the University of Illinois. Heffernan said the company's Lawrence plans are part of a strategy for the company to create a national brand of student-living developments.
"We really like the Lawrence market," Heffernan said. "We think it is a progressive community, anchored by a great university."
The project is seeking to rezone the 2.3-acre Berkeley Flats site from its traditional RM-32 apartment zoning to a relatively new mixed-used zoning.
Heffernan said he hopes the project will win the necessary City Hall approvals by mid-2014 and that construction could begin later in the year. He hopes to have the development open by the 2016 school year.
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Cool. Brilliant cover for what amounts to a well-upholstered prison. :fatty:
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18 foot ceilings and robots. Seems pretty pie-in-the-sky but will be cool if they do it as they're talking.
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The buzz is that the building will incorporate a lot of surveillance and tracking tools (hardware and software) that ku's basketball chumps will never be aware of. The AD wants to stem the tide of alcholism, drug abuse, and domestic violence against women, and the recruits who land in this new dorm won't even realize they're being monitored damn near 24/7. The overlords in Lawrentucky are going to start managing the uncontrollable crime that is the ku basketball program.
Maybe make it a reality show/fundraiser type thing where you can pay $9.95 a month to watch them play video games in the lounge area's.
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Honestly if a student athlete is looking for fancy facilities and dorms with robots, I'm not sure I want them to be representing the KSU. I'd rather have student athletes who work hard and are of high character and moral fiber.
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i'm for anything that will start to slowly pick away at the blocks and blocks of student ghetto housing that currently surrounds their fball stadium.
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i'm for anything that will start to slowly pick away at the blocks and blocks of student ghetto housing that currently surrounds their fball stadium.
Dat blight :frown:
Wonder how many drug related murder bodies will be revealed during construction.
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i'm for anything that will start to slowly pick away at the blocks and blocks of student ghetto housing that currently surrounds their fball stadium.
Dat blight :frown:
Wonder how many drug related murder bodies will be revealed during construction.
I suspect this robot valet building thingy is really just a drug murder body silo.
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http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2014/feb/13/lawmaker-tells-ku-strong-opposition-proposed-apart/ (http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2014/feb/13/lawmaker-tells-ku-strong-opposition-proposed-apart/)
A state legislator told Kansas University Chancellor Bernadette Gray-Little on Wednesday that there is strong opposition in the Legislature to the proposed $17.5 million Allen Fieldhouse apartments for KU basketball players.
“There is going to be push-back on that,” state Rep. Amanda Grosserode, R-Lenexa, said during a meeting of the House Education budget committee.
“I have massive heartburn about it,” said Grosserode, who is vice chair of the panel.
Gray-Little said the apartments are needed as a recruiting tool and to monitor and protect student-athletes from professional sports agents.
She said currently “people approach basketball players all of the time.”
KU is seeking authority from the state to issue bonds for the building, which would be paid off by the university. Of the 66 apartments in the building, 32 would be for student-athletes and 34 for students who are not athletes.
The project would also include a commons area, kitchen, parking lot and half-court basketball court.
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http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2014/feb/13/lawmaker-tells-ku-strong-opposition-proposed-apart/ (http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2014/feb/13/lawmaker-tells-ku-strong-opposition-proposed-apart/)
A state legislator told Kansas University Chancellor Bernadette Gray-Little on Wednesday that there is strong opposition in the Legislature to the proposed $17.5 million Allen Fieldhouse apartments for KU basketball players.
“There is going to be push-back on that,” state Rep. Amanda Grosserode, R-Lenexa, said during a meeting of the House Education budget committee.
“I have massive heartburn about it,” said Grosserode, who is vice chair of the panel.
Gray-Little said the apartments are needed as a recruiting tool and to monitor and protect student-athletes from professional sports agents.
She said currently “people approach basketball players all of the time.”
KU is seeking authority from the state to issue bonds for the building, which would be paid off by the university. Of the 66 apartments in the building, 32 would be for student-athletes and 34 for students who are not athletes.
The project would also include a commons area, kitchen, parking lot and half-court basketball court.
Is anybody surprised by this? Seemed like a giant waste of money to begin with. BGL's justification is not very believable. Not like this facility is going to stop people from approaching bball players.
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Is this because big bro kicked them around the other night? :surprised:
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to monitor and protect student-athletes from professional sports agents.
:lol:
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Their bball program is fine. They don't need a $20m dorm for bball athletes. Put that $20m towards something that will benefit the campus and athletics program and have a higher ROI.
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I thought KU was saying this thing was going to be privately funded up front, not bonded and paid off.
At the same time, I have a hard time distinguishing between this basketball dorm and our BBTF, WSC, Vanier 2.0, or any other elite athletic facility. As long as the thing gets paid off, who gives a eff what it's used for?
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Bed bugs
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Yeah, I thought KU was going to have donations pay for that thing, not float bonds, and who was going to float the bonds? Housing or the athletic department? Holy Eff, ku housing already floated bonds a few years ago to renovate the $hithole Jayhawk Towers which has a high athlete population.
Now ku fans, who for the most part never have a clue how this all works want the legislature to block our next round of $62 million dollars in improvements that will be all funded by private donors and media contracts.
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Scott Rothschild ?@ljwrothschild · 37m
house education budget committee rejects $17.5 M bonds for allen fieldhouse apartments for basketball players #ksleg
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OU privately funded a $75 million dollar dorm used by a bunch of athletes, I thought ku had money to burn? Isn't that what squawkville has told us for years?
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stud lenexan
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It's exactly like how all the little ku kids wanted a xbox1 for Christmas but instead got nothing because their parents are so poor :frown:
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TSC embarrassment.
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Kinda funny considering we are talking about an institution that runs over to Topeka and whines like little school girls if they think another Regents school is stepping on their toes. On the admin level they $hit a brick over K-State Olathe.
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i hope this doesn't bite us in the anal area when we go for the vanier redo, like the BoR will feel like the need to reject something from our crap too
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God what a bunch of losers they are
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i hope this doesn't bite us in the anal area when we go for the vanier redo, like the BoR will feel like the need to reject something from our crap too
It's not the BoR it's the legislature, and they have it because it requires the issuance of bonds.
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I would imagine spending that amount of money to benefit the basketball team and 20 other students would be a tough sell
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Scott Rothschild ?@ljwrothschild · 37m
house education budget committee rejects $17.5 M bonds for allen fieldhouse apartments for basketball players #ksleg
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That's too bad.
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The most notable thing about the state of Kansas in the University of Kansas Men's basketball program.
Don't **** with us, legislature.
Thank God the KS GOP can save us from big Government meddling in everything.
This state is going down the toilet.
Have you ever been to the House in KS?
I was there last year and struck me - KSU/WSU certainly outnumber KU - most have little stand-up Jayhawks or other mascot on their desks.
We are out-numbered by the people who hate us most. Those legislators are looking out more for their sports programs than the state of Kansas. If nothing else, the apartments would provide some jobs in Lawrence....
If they want to stop this, they had better turn down the $50 million + ksux wants for their athletics.
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the gems
The most notable thing about the state of Kansas in the University of Kansas Men's basketball program.
Don't **** with us, legislature.
:lol:
Pretty simple solution...
Those KU fans who support the measure who live in her district just bombard her office with calls.
Kansas Gov't keep getting crazier and crazier.
Can Lawrence succeed from Kansas? The could become The Great State Of Basketball
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Candidly, I am surprised the apartments deal hasn't been completed with private donations. For crying out loud, they are building a $300 million arena at Kentucky. KU basketball drives a ton of tax money in the state via sales taxes on goods. I would anticipate this "stomach burning" can be cured quite quickly.
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Have you ever been to the House in KS?
I was there last year and struck me - KSU/WSU certainly outnumber KU - most have little stand-up Jayhawks or other mascot on their desks.
We are out-numbered by the people who hate us most. Those legislators are looking out more for their sports programs than the state of Kansas. If nothing else, the apartments would provide some jobs in Lawrence....
ku is so persecuted
If they want to stop this, they had better turn down the $50 million + ksux wants for their athletics.
Got to love these "small government" jokers who want to control every aspect of peoples lives.
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She just looks like an idiot. Born and raised and went to college in Nebraska yet she wants to F*** with KU basketball.
nebraska! :shakesfist:
KU should just finance this privately. Our basketball program makes at least that much money on an annual basis.
They **** with us when they forced Phog Allen to retire, and they will continue to **** with us as long as rural districts control the Kansas legislature. We're not strong in those districts, and probably never will be. **** 'em.
phog allen? how rough ridin' old are you dude rofl :lol:
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7 Luke's holding hands.
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Kansas Gov't keep getting crazier and crazier.
Can Lawrence succeed from Kansas? The could become The Great State Of Basketball
I assume this KU-educated poster meant "secede"
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:lol: hard at all of this.
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Didn't the article in the paper say it's all funded by private donations?
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While the Regents minutes don't clarify, the first thing to ask is, what entity is securing the private funds and on the hook for the bonds (the minutes do say a mix of private funds and bonds, secured by generally available unrestricted funds)? Since ku athletics can't build anything that resembles an athletic dorm themselves (by NCAA rule), then it's the school and (likely)specifically ku housing services. So, ku has apparently (at least until further notice/clarification) asked the Regents (already approved) and now the Legislature to approve issuing bonds (debt) so that KU Housing (again, speculating on my part since the Regents minutes doesn't clarify) can build a dorm, which, let's be honest, is being built for a handful of basketball players.
If you think about it, IF that is the case, than that's not really a very smart approach, and frankly smells of desperation on some levels.
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Didn't the article in the paper say it's all funded by private donations?
by private donations they meant bonds
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Nevermind. Facility to be paid for by private donations and bonds, to paid off by revenues by the facility. Not really sure what "revenues" are generated by scholarship athletes living there.
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Nevermind. Facility to be paid for by private donations and bonds, to paid off by revenues by the facility. Not really sure what "revenues" are generated by scholarship athletes living there.
probably costs way more than regular dorms
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Nevermind. Facility to be paid for by private donations and bonds, to paid off by revenues by the facility. Not really sure what "revenues" are generated by scholarship athletes living there.
probably costs way more than regular dorms
Costs more to live there? Yeah probably. But, since most of the residents are scholarship athletes, the rent (ie revenues) is being provided by the school. Not like WSC where there revenues flow from private individuals.
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Nevermind. Facility to be paid for by private donations and bonds, to paid off by revenues by the facility. Not really sure what "revenues" are generated by scholarship athletes living there.
probably costs way more than regular dorms
Costs more to live there? Yeah probably. But, since most of the residents are scholarship athletes, the rent (ie revenues) is being provided by the school. Not like WSC where there revenues flow from private individuals.
maybe i'm way off, but scholarships aren't just the school giving stuff for free. sure it's moved from the scholarship department to the housing department, but the rent is still paid.
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Could this be why Vanier 2.0 is slow to be announced? Currie had inside track from BOR that legislature would not approve the bonds, so he's lining up 100% private funding?? I'm not really sure how this stuff works.
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Could this be why Vanier 2.0 is slow to be announced? Currie had inside track from BOR that legislature would not approve the bonds, so he's lining up 100% private funding?? I'm not really sure how this stuff works.
What makes you think Vanier 2.0 is slow to be announced? We just opened a $75 million facility less than six months ago and you think the next project is being slow-played?
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NEZ/Vanier is donor funded, was probably never going to happen without the vast majority being donor funded.
If ku raised all the money privately this would be a rubber stamp, where the Legislature is balking is at the issuance of debt to build a dorm for a select few, mainly athletes.
Plus the argument that ku basketball makes a lot of money is immaterial, because I doubt ku athletics inc. is going to be the one incurring the debt. I doubt ku athletics can have their name on it any way in terms of who owns, runs and finances the place, per NCAA rules.
Once again, this is where your typical squawk doesn't have a clue.
This is very Max Urick of Cheyenne Zulu.
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It is a facility that isn't justified. It's housing offered to 24-32 men and women's bball players to protect their privacy (not possible btw). The majority of those players are on scholarship. The rest of the rooms go to students who are probably not picked at random. How does this facility pay for itself? Can it even break even during the year?
At least with Vanier it is privately funded, houses offices and training facities for 100+ athletes, and generates revenue 3-1/2 months out of the year to keep it operational.
Is KU's dorm really going to benefit recruiting? They have the top two NBA draft picks and they managed to pick KU without a dedicated bball dorm. The KU meltdown over this is ridiculous.
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NEZ/Vanier is donor funded, was probably never going to happen without the vast majority being donor funded.
If ku raised all the money privately this would be a rubber stamp, where the Legislature is balking is at the issuance of debt to build a dorm for a select few, mainly athletes.
Plus the argument that ku basketball makes a lot of money is immaterial, because I doubt ku athletics inc. is going to be the one incurring the debt. I doubt ku athletics can have their name on it any way in terms of who owns, runs and finances the place, per NCAA rules.
Once again, this is where your typical squawk doesn't have a clue.
This is very Max Urick of Cheyenne Zulu.
Here's a post by our very own resident 180 IQ OregonSmock at phoggie.net
Pepperjax34 wrote: KU should just finance this privately. Our basketball program makes at least that much money on an annual basis.
Thus rendering the second bolded statement in your post an absolute certainty.
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NEZ/Vanier is donor funded, was probably never going to happen without the vast majority being donor funded.
If ku raised all the money privately this would be a rubber stamp, where the Legislature is balking is at the issuance of debt to build a dorm for a select few, mainly athletes.
Plus the argument that ku basketball makes a lot of money is immaterial, because I doubt ku athletics inc. is going to be the one incurring the debt. I doubt ku athletics can have their name on it any way in terms of who owns, runs and finances the place, per NCAA rules.
Once again, this is where your typical squawk doesn't have a clue.
This is very Max Urick of Cheyenne Zulu.
Here's a post by our very own resident 180 IQ OregonSmock at phoggie.net
Pepperjax34 wrote: KU should just finance this privately. Our basketball program makes at least that much money on an annual basis.
Thus rendering the second bolded statement in your post an absolute certainty.
Well Bookie, love ya bro, but Beems is right on ku financing the thing privately.
Where they are mislead is thinking that what ku basketball makes income wise is going to somehow sway some legislative thinking. It's not ku basketball or ku athletics that's going to be on the hook for the debt (in all probability), yet it's clearly ku basketball that's deriving all the benefit from the dorm being built. Sure, ku may have plenty of unrestricted funds on reserve to secure the bond debt, but for some legislators it's the principal of the school itself taking on more debt to build a dorm for the basketball team.
What it sounds to me like is Zulu and Self have a little penis envy going with Kentucky's Coal Wildcat Lodge basketball dorm (100% privately funded) so they're trying to get one built at ku ASAP.
I suspect, though I can't be certain, that the reason why ku's apartments are going to be twice as large as say Kentucky's in terms of rooms, is so they can pile more fee paying "regulars" in there, to off set expense for the athletic department on the room rental and fees and to help pay the debt. When you issue bonds through KDFA, just like any where else, you gotta write up how you're going to pay off the debt, and give that report to legislators and ratings agencies. Welp, I suspect that some legislators would get heartburn over this, no matter how butthurt ku T-shirt nation gets. Again only speculation on my part, but there's a good chance that ku housing services will be on the hook for the bond debt. Individual entities within Kansas public universities like athletics, housing services, parking services, student union corps etc. etc. can sell bonds to finance their undertakings with the university/state as the guarantor.
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They really can't fund that privately? I mean, KSU grads are digging $10 mil out of their couch cushions these days. T & P's lil bro
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Will Self leave KU for the NBA because of this?
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NEZ/Vanier is donor funded, was probably never going to happen without the vast majority being donor funded.
If ku raised all the money privately this would be a rubber stamp, where the Legislature is balking is at the issuance of debt to build a dorm for a select few, mainly athletes.
Plus the argument that ku basketball makes a lot of money is immaterial, because I doubt ku athletics inc. is going to be the one incurring the debt. I doubt ku athletics can have their name on it any way in terms of who owns, runs and finances the place, per NCAA rules.
Once again, this is where your typical squawk doesn't have a clue.
This is very Max Urick of Cheyenne Zulu.
Here's a post by our very own resident 180 IQ OregonSmock at phoggie.net
Pepperjax34 wrote: KU should just finance this privately. Our basketball program makes at least that much money on an annual basis.
Thus rendering the second bolded statement in your post an absolute certainty.
Well Bookie, love ya bro, but Beems is right on ku financing the thing privately.
Where they are mislead is thinking that what ku basketball makes income wise is going to somehow sway some legislative thinking. It's not ku basketball or ku athletics that's going to be on the hook for the debt (in all probability), yet it's clearly ku basketball that's deriving all the benefit from the dorm being built. Sure, ku may have plenty of unrestricted funds on reserve to secure the bond debt, but for some legislators it's the principal of the school itself taking on more debt to build a dorm for the basketball team.
What it sounds to me like is Zulu and Self have a little penis envy going with Kentucky's Coal Wildcat Lodge basketball dorm (100% privately funded) so they're trying to get one built at ku ASAP.
I suspect, though I can't be certain, that the reason why ku's apartments are going to be twice as large as say Kentucky's in terms of rooms, is so they can pile more fee paying "regulars" in there, to off set expense for the athletic department on the room rental and fees and to help pay the debt. When you issue bonds through KDFA, just like any where else, you gotta write up how you're going to pay off the debt, and give that report to legislators and ratings agencies. Welp, I suspect that some legislators would get heartburn over this, no matter how butthurt ku T-shirt nation gets. Again only speculation on my part, but there's a good chance that ku housing services will be on the hook for the bond debt. Individual entities within Kansas public universities like athletics, housing services, parking services, student union corps etc. etc. can sell bonds to finance their undertakings with the university/state as the guarantor.
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Okay let's put some numbers to this thing. IIRC, it is $17MM for 66 students. That is $257,500 per student. To repay that at 3.5% over thirty years is $1,156/mo. Add to that utilities and costs to operate and maintain the facility, your talking having to charge around $1,500/mo in rent per student. Add food and misc living expenses to that and it is way more then the average student can afford. Oh wait, I'm sure high $$ donors with kids will be more than willing to shell out that kind of cash so their kids can room with a bball star. So instead of a Compton situation of funneling $$ to his bball roommate, the whole team can have that arrangement. I wonder if the required amount of cash left laying in the room will be based upon who the roommate is?
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Okay let's put some numbers to this thing. IIRC, it is $17MM for 66 students. That is $257,500 per student. To repay that at 3.5% over thirty years is $1,156/mo. Add to that utilities and costs to operate and maintain the facility, your talking having to charge around $1,500/mo in rent per student. Add food and misc living expenses to that and it is way more then the average student can afford. Oh wait, I'm sure high $$ donors with kids will be more than willing to shell out that kind of cash so their kids can room with a bball star. So instead of a Compton situation of funneling $$ to his bball roommate, the whole team can have that arrangement. I wonder if the required amount of cash left laying in the room will be based upon who the roommate is?
I assumed the athletes would have separate wings/quarters. :dunno:
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This is correct.
If ku raised all the money privately this would be a rubber stamp, where the Legislature is balking is at the issuance of debt to build a dorm for a select few, mainly athletes.
Plus the argument that ku basketball makes a lot of money is immaterial, because I doubt ku athletics inc. is going to be the one incurring the debt. I doubt ku athletics can have their name on it any way in terms of who owns, runs and finances the place, per NCAA rules.
What it sounds to me like is Zulu and Self have a little penis envy going with Kentucky's Coal Wildcat Lodge basketball dorm (100% privately funded) so they're trying to get one built at ku ASAP.
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Guys the athletic department is on the hook for the cost of the scholarships. So the revenues would be rent payments from the athletic department to the housing services. Although if I were a housing services credit analyst, I'd take a hard look at the athletic department books before I signed a deal.
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Beems' ljworld quote said there would be about 600 bedrooms. Should be enough to house all the basketball players' illegitimate children, too!
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I hope the bathrooms have break-away sinks
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Beems' ljworld quote said there would be about 600 bedrooms. Should be enough to house all the basketball players' illegitimate children, too!
Shut up
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Thanks. Didn't mean to GPC the place up.
I think the robot parking garage is what did it in. If I was a legislator, I'd see
600 rooms, about half of which would be paid for by athletic scholarships -OK
11,000 sq ft of retail space, brings in some rent money -OK
Giant claw machine parks residents' cars for them -LOL NO
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Thanks. Didn't mean to GPC the place up.
I think the robot parking garage is what did it in. If I was a legislator, I'd see
600 rooms, about half of which would be paid for by athletic scholarships -OK
11,000 sq ft of retail space, brings in some rent money -OK
Giant claw machine parks residents' cars for them -LOL NO
You're thinking of the apartments by the football stadium. That's a separate project from the $17 million, 66-person apartments they're trying to build by AFH.
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Thanks. Didn't mean to GPC the place up.
I think the robot parking garage is what did it in. If I was a legislator, I'd see
600 rooms, about half of which would be paid for by athletic scholarships -OK
11,000 sq ft of retail space, brings in some rent money -OK
Giant claw machine parks residents' cars for them -LOL NO
You're thinking of the apartments by the football stadium. That's a separate project from the $17 million, 66-person apartments they're trying to build by AFH.
Beems do you like this project? Would you want private donors to put the money towards a different Athletics Department type project? I understand if it is a recruiting tool....but you obviously already recruit great (top 5) players without it. I want your perspective because I feel like you are a guy that would say it's unnecessary if it really is unnecessary. I also know you are not a KU BB only type of fan and care about KU Athletics as a whole.
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You're thinking of the apartments by the football stadium. That's a separate project from the $17 million, 66-person apartments they're trying to build by AFH.
You're right, Beems. This was for the Ritz Carlton that was supposed to trump the Kentucky basketball player "Lodge" that Self and the KU fans are all butthurt over not having.
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Slightly OT, but should we build one of these things? Maybe this should be our next project after the NEZ. Build a dorm big enough for the football and basketball teams and put it where the hotel was supposed to go?
We've obviously got a ton of boosters who want to throw more money at our programs, and if we're not willing to pay players then this seems like the next best thing.
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yeah that sounds like just a great idea. let's put one hundred 18-13 yr old uber athletic males from different sports into the same building blocks aways from other students.
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yeah that sounds like just a great idea. let's put one hundred 18-13 yr old uber athletic males from different sports into the same building blocks aways from other students.
as long as they aren't in front of the union I see no problem with this plan
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Slightly OT, but should we build one of these things? Maybe this should be our next project after the NEZ. Build a dorm big enough for the football and basketball teams and put it where the hotel was supposed to go?
We've obviously got a ton of boosters who want to throw more money at our programs, and if we're not willing to pay players then this seems like the next best thing.
Just clear out the closest block of Jardine Buildings. Would be like Olympic Village.
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Surprised somebody hadn't posted this yet. I guess just saying "We are Kansas" isn't enough anymore :frown:
University officials say they need the upscale living to compete for basketball recruits.
http://www.wibw.com/home/localnews/headlines/House-committee-rejects-KU-basketball-apartments-245527991.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&device=phone
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Reading phog.net is always such a treat.
What they don't get is that projects like the WSC have a clear and definable methodology for paying off the debt (and had significant upfront private donations). It's also a working facility that's used nearly every day by every athlete at the training table, as well as SID/Media production people on the media level. It's also a facility that can be rented out for social events etc. etc.
The projects on the table now for K-State will be privately funded and don't need legislative approval of the financing.
As the CJ Online article says, some in the legislature are just saying that ku can build all the penis envy basketball dorms (serving a very select few) they want, they just need to pay for it with private funds. Just like Kentucky and OU did.
Once again I ask, why is ku having to borrow money for this, according to most of squawknet the school has wealth beyond your wildest imagination, so what's $17 million?
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yeah that sounds like just a great idea. let's put one hundred 18-13 yr old uber athletic males from different sports into the same building blocks aways from other students.
The NCAA doesn't allow athletic dorms anymore so you'd have to have regular students in the same facililty. I think it has to be more than half regular students which is why the proposed KU building is a 66 person facility with 32 bball spots.
The problem with this type of facility is you want to make it as small as possible in order to have the lowest number of regular students possible. But when you do that it becomes very hard to justify on a cost per student basis and the revenue projections fall short of what is needed to service a bond issue. If KU wants to do this fine but it sure as hell needs to be done with donar money. I'm surprised they had the nerve to take something like this to the legislature in the first place.
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I'm surprised they had the nerve to take something like this to the legislature in the first place.
I agree. seeing how we've pulled off BBTF (100% privately funded), WSC (largely privately funded), and are embarking upon Vanier2.0 (largely privately funded) all in a 5 year span, I'm kind of surprised they can't come up with the money. Maybe it's not surprising tho. I mean, not all Kansans are :kstategrad:
I almost feel bad for them. If we all chipped in, maybe we could help them reach their goal???
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yeah that sounds like just a great idea. let's put one hundred 18-13 yr old uber athletic males from different sports into the same building blocks aways from other students.
The NCAA doesn't allow athletic dorms anymore so you'd have to have regular students in the same facililty. I think it has to be more than half regular students which is why the proposed KU building is a 66 person facility with 32 bball spots.
The problem with this type of facility is you want to make it as small as possible in order to have the lowest number of regular students possible. But when you do that it becomes very hard to justify on a cost per student basis and the revenue projections fall short of what is needed to service a bond issue. If KU wants to do this fine but it sure as hell needs to be done with donar money. I'm surprised they had the nerve to take something like this to the legislature in the first place.
:D
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guys, the phog is taking up collections so they can run tv commercials during election season and really show kansas "who runs joco".
i'm not even goemawing!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Ku would be smart to not try and compete dollar for dollar with Kentucky bball.
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Makes sense that the State of Kansas passes a bill that permits businesses from serving gays, but when KU Athletics wants to build an apartment building, they don't.
:D
IMO, this is no different than a bond for a hospital expansion
The government has to approve the bonds. It is privately funded.
Maybe take a business class, pal.
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Makes sense that the State of Kansas passes a bill that permits businesses from serving gays, but when KU Athletics wants to build an apartment building, they don't.
:D
IMO, this is no different than a bond for a hospital expansion
The government has to approve the bonds. It is privately funded.
Maybe take a business class, pal.
lol
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You know you're dealing with intellectual giants when they're equating a luxury athletic dorm for basketball players as equal to adding a wing on to a hospital.
Then the posts implying that more progressive types on the political spectrum would welcome a luxury athletic dorm.
You just step back and let phog.net be phog.net. :popcorn:
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IMO, this is no different than a bond for a hospital expansion
this is the best post in that thread, which is saying something, because that's a great thread. I also enjoyed the discussion on KU breaking away from the state over the course of the next couple decades.
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Yes the secession of Lawrence from the state of Kansas or "succession" as they are calling it is by far the best part.
Quick question, if they are taking up a collection to run a political campaign, would it not make sense to use that money instead for their luxury apartment building? I'm probably missing something.
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If they secede the new state should be called Bedbugington
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Guys, this is so pathetic. I knew they were poor, but yeesh.
And why so desperate to throw good money (well, someone else's money) after bad (college basketball)?
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If they can't get the money to build an apartment building, how are they gonna get the money to remove their football track? Serious question.
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If they can't get the money to build an apartment building, how are they gonna get the money to remove their football track? Serious question.
Magic?
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If they can't get the money to build an apartment building, how are they gonna get the money to remove their football track? Serious question.
Selfs gonna be pissed that the money gets dumped into a 1 win team while he's on the verge of a NC every year.
sent from my phone while in the crapper
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If they can't get the money to build an apartment building, how are they gonna get the money to remove their football track? Serious question.
Selfs gonna be pissed that the money gets dumped into a 1 win team while he's on the verge of a NC every year.
sent from my phone while in the crapper
That's the thing. Self will get the money. That's why the track has remained for so long and why it ain't going anywhere anytime soon. At least until they build these dorms.
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If they can't get the money to build an apartment building, how are they gonna get the money to remove their football track? Serious question.
Selfs gonna be pissed that the money gets dumped into a 1 win team while he's on the verge of a NC every year.
sent from my phone while in the crapper
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Thanks. Didn't mean to GPC the place up.
I think the robot parking garage is what did it in. If I was a legislator, I'd see
600 rooms, about half of which would be paid for by athletic scholarships -OK
11,000 sq ft of retail space, brings in some rent money -OK
Giant claw machine parks residents' cars for them -LOL NO
You're thinking of the apartments by the football stadium. That's a separate project from the $17 million, 66-person apartments they're trying to build by AFH.
Beems do you like this project? Would you want private donors to put the money towards a different Athletics Department type project? I understand if it is a recruiting tool....but you obviously already recruit great (top 5) players without it. I want your perspective because I feel like you are a guy that would say it's unnecessary if it really is unnecessary. I also know you are not a KU BB only type of fan and care about KU Athletics as a whole.
I support any facility project that helps give KU a competitive advantage. That being said, my first thought when I heard about the project was "this is a slap in the face to the football program." The football stadium is in desperate need of an upgrade, and here we are building a $17 million luxury apartment complex for our basketball program. It is what it is, I guess.
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If they can't get the money to build an apartment building, how are they gonna get the money to remove their football track? Serious question.
Magic?
Yep, magic
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If they can't get the money to build an apartment building, how are they gonna get the money to remove their football track? Serious question.
Magic?
Yep, magic
Dax... you know how these things work. The state issues bonds, which allows KU to begin construction asap. KU then pays the bonds off through private donations over the course of maybe 10-15 years. If I'm not mistaken, this is exactly how K-State did the WSC expansion.
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Thanks. Didn't mean to GPC the place up.
I think the robot parking garage is what did it in. If I was a legislator, I'd see
600 rooms, about half of which would be paid for by athletic scholarships -OK
11,000 sq ft of retail space, brings in some rent money -OK
Giant claw machine parks residents' cars for them -LOL NO
You're thinking of the apartments by the football stadium. That's a separate project from the $17 million, 66-person apartments they're trying to build by AFH.
Beems do you like this project? Would you want private donors to put the money towards a different Athletics Department type project? I understand if it is a recruiting tool....but you obviously already recruit great (top 5) players without it. I want your perspective because I feel like you are a guy that would say it's unnecessary if it really is unnecessary. I also know you are not a KU BB only type of fan and care about KU Athletics as a whole.
I support any facility project that helps give KU a competitive advantage. That being said, my first thought when I heard about the project was "this is a slap in the face to the football program." The football stadium is in desperate need of an upgrade, and here we are building a $17 million luxury apartment complex for our basketball program. It is what it is, I guess.
You're pretty smart Beems. How would you like to be a D1 athlete at a major conference school, particularly a football player, and see the men's basketball team get a luxury dorm and have their own chef, while you slog it out in a regular dorm or apartment and have to trudge your way over to the training table in the snow on an 8 degree night? If ku or any other school is going to do this, they need to use the OU model, and not the Kentucky model. While Kentucky Basketball makes a lot of money and may drive donations to the general athletic fund at Kentucky. Kentucky Football still makes more money (by sport) and they suck (Louisville hoops makes more money than Kentucky and ku hoops combined).
I am no construction expert, but I know $17 million gets the track torn out at ku's football stadium, with money left over to go towards altering the stands.
Hey, now that I think about it, let's support Self/Zulu Kentucky envy and support the legislative movement to block the issuance of bonds. Then Self will threaten to leave and Zulu will have to hit up boosters to give money to the education side (because it can't go to athletics for a dorm) to build this dorm, likely to the detriment of football.
I support a Privately Funded ku Basketball Dorm!!
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If they can't get the money to build an apartment building, how are they gonna get the money to remove their football track? Serious question.
Magic?
Yep, magic
Dax... you know how these things work. The state issues bonds, which allows KU to begin construction asap. KU then pays the bonds off through private donations over the course of maybe 10-15 years. If I'm not mistaken, this is exactly how K-State did the WSC expansion.
The difference is, the WSC supports all of athletics with the training table and media production center, as well as a facility that's available to anyone who can pay the rental costs for social gatherings and meetings. In addition the bonds were issued to K-State Athletics Inc.
ku athletics cannot take on the bond debt for an athletic dorm because that's an athletic department directly financing an athletic dorm against NCAA rules. The bond debt will likely have to be taken on by ku housing or another entity at ku, with Zulu spearheading along with regular ku development officers the fund raising that's technically donated to a none athletic fund (managed by the ku endowment fund). I could be wrong . . . but I doubt it.
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I could be wrong . . . but I doubt it.
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I could be wrong . . . but I doubt it.
Isn't that the name of a song?
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If they can't get the money to build an apartment building, how are they gonna get the money to remove their football track? Serious question.
Magic?
Yep, magic
Dax... you know how these things work. The state issues bonds, which allows KU to begin construction asap. KU then pays the bonds off through private donations over the course of maybe 10-15 years. If I'm not mistaken, this is exactly how K-State did the WSC expansion.
FYI, this is NOT how it works and that is NOT how the WSC was done.
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I could be wrong . . . but I doubt it.
Isn't that the name of a song?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npj4EHzoeBQ
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This project will get done one way or another. I wouldn't get your hopes up, 'taters.
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This project will get done one way or another. I wouldn't get your hopes up, 'taters.
Every one here knows that, we're just having some fun with the phogtucks who don't understand or get why there would be any push back to the education side of the house at ku taking on debt for a few basketball players. This isn't hard.
But hey, a dorm for basketball players is the same as a hospital wing.
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Boots shakin' :ohno:
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If they can't get the money to build an apartment building, how are they gonna get the money to remove their football track? Serious question.
Magic?
Yep, magic
Dax... you know how these things work. The state issues bonds, which allows KU to begin construction asap. KU then pays the bonds off through private donations over the course of maybe 10-15 years. If I'm not mistaken, this is exactly how K-State did the WSC expansion.
FYI, this is NOT how it works and that is NOT how the WSC was done.
Actually, I think Smock is right. K-State issued debt for both the BTF & WSC. Total debt outstanding at 6/30/13 was $83 million. Those bonds will be paid off over a 20-year period ending in about 2032. Total debt service payments due before 6/30/14 is about $5.5 million, and will increase to $6.3 million every year thereafter.
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This project will get done one way or another. I wouldn't get your hopes up, 'taters.
Every one here knows that, we're just having some fun with the phogtucks who don't understand or get why there would be any push back to the education side of the house at ku taking on debt for a few basketball players. This isn't hard.
But hey, a dorm for basketball players is the same as a hospital wing.
The hilarity that is a result of ku stupidity is a glorious by product of all this...
:Carl:
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If they can't get the money to build an apartment building, how are they gonna get the money to remove their football track? Serious question.
Magic?
Yep, magic
Dax... you know how these things work. The state issues bonds, which allows KU to begin construction asap. KU then pays the bonds off through private donations over the course of maybe 10-15 years. If I'm not mistaken, this is exactly how K-State did the WSC expansion.
FYI, this is NOT how it works and that is NOT how the WSC was done.
Actually, I think Smock is right. K-State issued debt for both the BTF & WSC. Total debt outstanding at 6/30/13 was $83 million. Those bonds will be paid off over a 20-year period ending in about 2032. Total debt service payments due before 6/30/14 is about $5.5 million, and will increase to $6.3 million every year thereafter.
That's been understood from the very beginning of those projects. I have never said there were no bonds. The difference is, with the BTF and WSC, K-State Athletics Inc. is directly on the hook for the bonds for those facilities (and has raised millions in private money to cover the debt or pay for non bonded portions, for example the WSC only has around $53 million in debt issued but cost nearly $86 million dollars, so private money had to make up the difference, there was $20 million contributed towards the BTF/WSC last fiscal year).
ku athletics cannot take on the debt directly to pay for a dorm, because athletic departments can't build dorms, another entity at ku has to take on the debt.
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K-State CBA, two $10 million lead donations, numerous other $1+ million donations. Haven't even started asking the general populas for money.
KU recruiting hostel, price tag $17 million, straight to the State begging for public financing.
:ROFL:
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Kstate raised almost 2/3 of the money up front for the WSC. The balance was financed with IRBs. Revenues from ticket sales and suite leases cash-flow the debt service multiple times over. The BTR was entirely privately funded (as it should, it generates no revenue).
The revenue Ku can expect from its recruiting hostel wouldnt cover half the debt service of the bonds, which is way the proposal was laughed right out of the room. Promising to privately fund debt service shortfalls is the equivalent of telling your lender I cant afford the payments now, but do not worry I'm going to make way more money next year. That's NOT how it works, BMW.
Its not that complicated, yeesh
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I love a good dax financial breakdown
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This project will get done one way or another. I wouldn't get your hopes up, 'taters.
I think most kstate fans are happy that ku is going to keep pouring most of their resources into a secondary sport that they have very little room for improved performance or revenue in.
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K-State CBA, two $10 million lead donations, numerous other $1+ million donations. Haven't even started asking the general populas for money.
KU recruiting hostel, price tag $17 million, straight to the State begging for public financing.
:ROFL:
This was AFTER building the glorified HS track in east Topeka, using a lease arrangement that technically keeps the debt off KU AD books.
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This project will get done one way or another. I wouldn't get your hopes up, 'taters.
I think most kstate fans are happy that ku is going to keep pouring most of their resources into a secondary sport that they have very little room for improved performance or revenue in.
This is 1000% correct. Keep chasing the Kentucky Jr. dorm and ignore the gaping wound in the only college sport that matters. Milk your athletic donors for that weird dorm that will likely be the scene of a lot of trouble. Kstate will take football, baseball and a decent basketball program and our AD will continue to lap ku.
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It's going to be pretty funny the next round of conference realignment.
Big 10/Pac 12: So, ku, do you think you have what it takes to join our conference?
ku: Yes, just look at these beautiful apartments we built for our basketball players, we're rolling in money!
Big 10/Pac 12: That's nice, but how is your football program doing
ku: GaryPinkleapartmentfire.gif
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Milking their private money donors for this before fixing football is a massive error.
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Power move by seff to let football know who the boss is
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This project will get done one way or another. I wouldn't get your hopes up, 'taters.
Bake sales? Lemonade stands?
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This project will get done one way or another. I wouldn't get your hopes up, 'taters.
That is fine as long as it is on the backs of the AD/Donors and not on the University and therefore indirectly, all Kansas taxpayers. It is bad enough that the university allows the AD to fleece every enrolled student, whether they support sports or not, to the tune of $500-600 per semester. At some point, some sort of fiscal responsibility must be enforced when taxpayer $$ is involved. As Spock would say " the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the the few."
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http://www.kansascity.com/2014/02/19/4834471/ku-drops-bonding-request-for-athlete.html (http://www.kansascity.com/2014/02/19/4834471/ku-drops-bonding-request-for-athlete.html)
Well, that's an idea. Just raise all the money privately and don't ask for a loan from the taxpayers. I think this is only going to further delay the Gridiron Club, tho.
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it's like ku is the family living in the trailer trying to save up their money so they can get rid of their 2011 escalade and buy a 2014 escalade. just so, so, bizarre on priorities. someone (texas?) needs to sit them down for a chat.
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new better analogy- ku is that guy at the gym that has been doing nothing but upper body for five years and his chest and biceps and all are just huge and ripped but he has teeny tiny itty bitty little bird legs and despite everyone trying to convince him how ridiculous he looks he just thinks their haters and keeps bench pressing.
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new better analogy- ku is that guy at the gym that has been doing nothing but upper body for five years and his chest and biceps and all are just huge and ripped but he has teeny tiny itty bitty little bird legs and despite everyone trying to convince him how ridiculous he looks he just thinks their haters and keeps bench pressing.
there is a guy who goes to my gym who is absolutely yoked. I mean hes got veins popping out of every muscle in his body. anyways... hes in a wheelchair. cant move his legs one bit. coincidentally, he is also a KU fan (wears KU shirts to the gym- generally they rip by the end of his workout, tho). I think this guy might be the perfect model for the KU AD. wheelchair = football program.
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oh and I forgot to mention were best bros. ill see him and give him the chin nod. very TSC.
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University officials, and basketball coach Bill Self, have said the apartments are needed to help the school compete for recruits, and to improve security for the basketball players.
:lol: more like help protect the citizens/girlfriends of Lawrence, amiright!?
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http://www.kansascity.com/2014/02/19/4834471/ku-drops-bonding-request-for-athlete.html (http://www.kansascity.com/2014/02/19/4834471/ku-drops-bonding-request-for-athlete.html)
University spokesman Tim Caboni said Tuesday the decision to withdraw the bonding authority for the $17.5 million apartment project came after a House committee's "disappointing" decision last week to reject it, The Lawrence Journal-World reported.
You can't fire me, I QUIT!
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KU isn't KU without the men's basketball team. If KU doesn't keep up with the Jones's then we lose players. Self is a good coach, but he even knows that you need studs to win.
The project is self-funded, and the legislature needs to focus on more important things.
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KU is like the Nelson Muntz Family from the Simpsons. They have a car and it's sole purpose it to be shot at. Two more payments and it's theirs!
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Building a $17 million basketball dorm and upgrading the football stadium are not mutually exclusive.
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Building a $17 million basketball dorm and upgrading the football stadium are not mutually exclusive.
Not with emaw money, but we're talking ku here
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Building a $17 million basketball dorm and upgrading the football stadium are not mutually exclusive.
i'm gonna totally start doing some squats i swear but let me get a few more curls in first. oh and pushups. i mean, i can't just not do my pushups.
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Building a $17 million basketball dorm and upgrading the football stadium are not mutually exclusive.
i'm gonna totally start doing some squats i swear but let me get a few more curls in first. oh and pushups. i mean, i can't just not do my pushups.
don't ignore the squat thrust. very underrated imo
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Building a $17 million basketball dorm and upgrading the football stadium are not mutually exclusive.
i'm gonna totally start doing some squats i swear but let me get a few more curls in first. oh and pushups. i mean, i can't just not do my pushups.
lunges? my knees hurt from an old football injury...
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Poor Rajon ku
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Building a $17 million basketball dorm and upgrading the football stadium are not mutually exclusive.
Telling that luxury apartments are a higher priority than ripping the track out of Memorial. I mean the robot car-parking scheme sounds a lot more fully developed an idea than anything proposed for that post-apocalypse-looking football stadium.
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I mean the robot car-parking scheme sounds a lot more fully developed an idea than anything proposed for that post-apocalypse-looking football stadium.
maybe if ku is lucky they can get a lawrence land developer to build them a new one over by their new track facility and second walmart.
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I mean the robot car-parking scheme sounds a lot more fully developed an idea than anything proposed for that post-apocalypse-looking football stadium.
maybe if ku is lucky they can get a lawrence land developer to build them a new one over by their new track facility and second walmart.
Lawrence has 2 Wal-marts?! :Wha:
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I mean the robot car-parking scheme sounds a lot more fully developed an idea than anything proposed for that post-apocalypse-looking football stadium.
maybe if ku is lucky they can get a lawrence land developer to build them a new one over by their new track facility and second walmart.
Lawrence has 2 Wal-marts?! :Wha:
yeah. one was apparently not enough for those poor hayseeds.
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i bet they weren't right across the street from each other tho :gocho:
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Love how they're not bringing the story full circle in terms of the likely reason why the finance committee was against the bonds.
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Building a $17 million basketball dorm and upgrading the football stadium are not mutually exclusive.
True, unfortunately private fund raising and Ku are.
Ts and Ps lil tiny baby bro
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I don't know about you guys, but I love how EMAW and shox own the state government and shut KU out because of spite.
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Robot car parking garage? Glad to see the "Minnesota Guys" have relocated to larrytown. Talk about rock bottom for a cre developer tho
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I mean the robot car-parking scheme sounds a lot more fully developed an idea than anything proposed for that post-apocalypse-looking football stadium.
maybe if ku is lucky they can get a lawrence land developer to build them a new one over by their new track facility and second walmart.
Lawrence has 2 Wal-marts?! :Wha:
yeah. one was apparently not enough for those poor hayseeds.
Please tell me one of them is right next to (or very close) to all those tractor dealerships...
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KU has raised over a billion dollars in private funding since 08. Unlike K-State, we have multiple alums who can afford to donate millions to renovating the stadium. Cliff Illig and Cerner are heavily Involved in the process, and renderings will be released after bball season concludes.
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KU has raised over a billion dollars in private funding since 08. Unlike K-State, we have multiple alums who can afford to donate millions to renovating the stadium. Cliff Illig and Cerner are heavily Involved in the process, and renderings will be released after bball season concludes.
:excited: :excited: :excited: My God how I am hankering for some renderings!
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KU has raised over a billion dollars in private funding since 08. Unlike K-State, we have multiple alums who can afford to donate millions to renovating the stadium. Cliff Illig and Cerner are heavily Involved in the process, and renderings will be released after bball season concludes.
After 09-10 basketball season?
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if they really do end up redoing the entire fball stadium then anybody want to guess on the over/under clipart that will be used. 50? 100?
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if they really do end up redoing the entire fball stadium then anybody want to guess on the over/under clipart that will be used. 50? 100?
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im not so sure about clip art but ive heard some rumors from some big time KU donors (Cerner guys- legit) about Comic Sans being used in the end zones.
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KU has raised over a billion dollars in private funding since 08. Unlike K-State, we have multiple alums who can afford to donate millions to renovating the stadium. Cliff Illig and Cerner are heavily Involved in the process, and renderings will be released after bball season concludes.
Yet we've been constantly renovating and building so........
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KU has raised over a billion dollars in private funding since 08. Unlike K-State, we have multiple alums who can afford to donate millions to renovating the stadium. Cliff Illig and Cerner are heavily Involved in the process, and renderings will be released after bball season concludes.
This is excellent. Grats Beems
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if they really do end up redoing the entire fball stadium then anybody want to guess on the over/under clipart that will be used. 50? 100?
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Oh man, good call out. That thing IS really stupid...
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KU has raised over a billion dollars in private funding since 08. Unlike K-State, we have multiple alums who can afford to donate millions to renovating the stadium. Cliff Illig and Cerner are heavily Involved in the process, and renderings will be released after bball season concludes.
Yet we've been constantly renovating and building so........
He said they could afford to, not that anyone actually is
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KU has raised over a billion dollars in private funding since 08. Unlike K-State, we have multiple alums who can afford to donate millions to renovating the stadium. Cliff Illig and Cerner are heavily Involved in the process, and renderings will be released after bball season concludes.
Yet we've been constantly renovating and building so........
He said they could afford to, not that anyone actually is
Oh. Kinda like I COULD lose weight IF I really tried?
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KU has raised over a billion dollars in private funding since 08. Unlike K-State, we have multiple alums who can afford to donate millions to renovating the stadium. Cliff Illig and Cerner are heavily Involved in the process, and renderings will be released after bball season concludes.
Yet we've been constantly renovating and building so........
He said they could afford to, not that anyone actually is
it's all priorities and doing something about the worst football stadium in america apparently lies somewhere behind spending 18 million to keep the rules of basketball dry. maybe next year ku football clipart fans.
http://www.kansascity.com/2013/04/17/4187423/ku-to-build-18-million-home-for.html
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KU has raised over a billion dollars in private funding since 08. Unlike K-State, we have multiple alums who can afford to donate millions to renovating the stadium. Cliff Illig and Cerner are heavily Involved in the process, and renderings will be released after bball season concludes.
I can name multiple people who have given K-State eight figure donations in the last month, and KU still has a track around its football field.
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The "KU has multiple alums who can afford to donate millions" talk is getting old. Either your alums are unwilling to donate or KU has the worst Athletic Department in division 1 when it comes to raising money (or maybe a lethal combo of both). Sounds like a lot of wishful thinking. T's and P's.
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If K-State had just built a brand new sports complex for its national championship track & field program, announced plans for a $17 million luxury apartment for its bball programs, hired HNTB for a complete upgrade of its football stadium, and started construction for a facility that would house the original rules of basketball, I wouldn't be making fun of them. But hey, I guess that's what separates me from the inferiority complex'd herd at goEMAW.com.
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PLANS TO UPGRADE!
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If K-State had just built a brand new sports complex for its national championship track & field program, announced plans for a $17 million luxury apartment for its bball programs, hired HNTB for a complete upgrade of its football stadium, and started construction for a facility that would house the original rules of basketball, I wouldn't be making fun of them. But hey, I guess that's what separates me from the inferiority complex'd herd at goEMAW.com.
I wasn't rooting for TCU last night, but I was rooting for you kicking ass here today if TCU had won. Oh well.
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The "KU has multiple alums who can afford to donate millions" talk is getting old. Either your alums are unwilling to donate or KU has the worst Athletic Department in division 1 when it comes to raising money (or maybe a lethal combo of both). Sounds like a lot of wishful thinking. T's and P's.
KU has raised over a billion dollars since '08 through its Far Above fundraising campaign. There's plenty of deep pockets to help fund the football stadium upgrade once HNTB releases the renderings after bball season. My guess is that Illig and Cerner play a big role in the upgrades, and KU incorporates some of the technology from Sporting Park into the new Memorial.
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If K-State had just built a brand new sports complex for its national championship track & field program, announced plans for a $17 million luxury apartment for its bball programs, hired HNTB for a complete upgrade of its football stadium, and started construction for a facility that would house the original rules of basketball, I wouldn't be making fun of them. But hey, I guess that's what separates me from the inferiority complex'd herd at goEMAW.com.
I wasn't rooting for TCU last night, but I was rooting for you kicking ass here today if TCU had won. Oh well.
I hate to break it to you, but the KSU/TCU game last night was pretty low on beems' totem pole. Congrats on the big win, I guess.
:dunno:
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If K-State had just built a brand new sports complex for its national championship track & field program, announced plans for a $17 million luxury apartment for its bball programs, hired HNTB for a complete upgrade of its football stadium, and started construction for a facility that would house the original rules of basketball, I wouldn't be making fun of them. But hey, I guess that's what separates me from the inferiority complex'd herd at goEMAW.com.
I wasn't rooting for TCU last night, but I was rooting for you kicking ass here today if TCU had won. Oh well.
I hate to break it to you, but the KSU/TCU game last night was pretty low on beems' totem pole. Congrats on the big win, I guess.
:dunno:
You have me pegged.
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KU has raised over a billion dollars in private funding since 08. Unlike K-State, we have multiple alums who can afford to donate millions to renovating the stadium. Cliff Illig and Cerner are heavily Involved in the process, and renderings will be released after bball season concludes.
Yet we've been constantly renovating and building so........
He said they could afford to, not that anyone actually is
Oh. Kinda like I COULD lose weight IF I really tried?
Sort of. But more like you meet up with your brother who's extremely good looking and ripped with hot chicks draped all over him. So on a normal day, you're around a 6, but next to him? pud city.
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KU has raised over a billion dollars in private funding since 08. Unlike K-State, we have multiple alums who can afford to donate millions to renovating the stadium. Cliff Illig and Cerner are heavily Involved in the process, and renderings will be released after bball season concludes.
KU has raised over a billion dollars since '08 through its Far Above fundraising campaign. There's plenty of deep pockets to help fund the football stadium upgrade once HNTB releases the renderings after bball season. My guess is that Illig and Cerner play a big role in the upgrades, and KU incorporates some of the technology from Sporting Park into the new Memorial.
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The "KU has multiple alums who can afford to donate millions" talk is getting old. Either your alums are unwilling to donate or KU has the worst Athletic Department in division 1 when it comes to raising money (or maybe a lethal combo of both). Sounds like a lot of wishful thinking. T's and P's.
KU has raised over a billion dollars since '08 through its Far Above fundraising campaign. There's plenty of deep pockets to help fund the football stadium upgrade once HNTB releases the renderings after bball season. My guess is that Illig and Cerner play a big role in the upgrades, and KU incorporates some of the technology from Sporting Park into the new Memorial.
I know you're smarter than this. The endowment is not an ATM that can be used for athletic facilities upgrades.
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If K-State had just built a brand new sports complex for its national championship track & field program, announced plans for a $17 million luxury apartment for its bball programs, hired HNTB for a complete upgrade of its football stadium, and started construction for a facility that would house the original rules of basketball, I wouldn't be making fun of them. But hey, I guess that's what separates me from the inferiority complex'd herd at goEMAW.com.
is this supposed to mean something to me?? sounds a lot like a virus
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The "KU has multiple alums who can afford to donate millions" talk is getting old. Either your alums are unwilling to donate or KU has the worst Athletic Department in division 1 when it comes to raising money (or maybe a lethal combo of both). Sounds like a lot of wishful thinking. T's and P's.
KU has raised over a billion dollars since '08 through its Far Above fundraising campaign. There's plenty of deep pockets to help fund the football stadium upgrade once HNTB releases the renderings after bball season. My guess is that Illig and Cerner play a big role in the upgrades, and KU incorporates some of the technology from Sporting Park into the new Memorial.
I hope so. We poke fun but we don't want to see Memorial Stadium as part of a "ghost buildings" Buzzfeed article (obviously exaggerating). These campaigns fall into completely different pools of money. KU has great high-salaried grad school programs (Pharmacy, Med, Law, etc.). Many alumns of those programs donate large flows of cash to those educational entities through campaigns like the Far Above. The biggest caveat of what you are comparing is the students that graduated from said grad programs (and who also pump a lot of money back into them) went to undergrad at other Universities. It is more common for fans of college athletics to support their undergrad school than their grad school (if different), especially when you're talking about giving money back to the athletic program. It seems like you are saying that once Far Above is finished, all these donors will start pushing their donations to Athletics and other campaigns. That doesn't make sense...because they are separate entitites.
KU Endowment: An independent, nonprofit organization and the official fundraising foundation for the University of Kansas
KU Athletics could (and should) be campaigning their ass off for donations along side of KU Endowment. Far Above is the same type of campaign as KSU's 2025. The Athletic Department won't see a dime.
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ku is not doing a complete upgrade of memorial
If K-State had just built a brand new sports complex for its national championship track & field program, announced plans for a $17 million luxury apartment for its bball programs, hired HNTB for a complete upgrade of its football stadium, and started construction for a facility that would house the original rules of basketball, I wouldn't be making fun of them. But hey, I guess that's what separates me from the inferiority complex'd herd at goEMAW.com.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but saying that KU built the track complex is a bit of an overstatement. Didn't KU figure out a way to put the city of Lawrence on the hook for that?
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Correct me if I'm wrong but saying that KU built the track complex is a bit of an overstatement. Didn't KU figure out a way to put the city of Lawrence on the hook for that?
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480 more payments and it's paid off.
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The "KU has multiple alums who can afford to donate millions" talk is getting old. Either your alums are unwilling to donate or KU has the worst Athletic Department in division 1 when it comes to raising money (or maybe a lethal combo of both). Sounds like a lot of wishful thinking. T's and P's.
KU has raised over a billion dollars since '08 through its Far Above fundraising campaign. There's plenty of deep pockets to help fund the football stadium upgrade once HNTB releases the renderings after bball season. My guess is that Illig and Cerner play a big role in the upgrades, and KU incorporates some of the technology from Sporting Park into the new Memorial.
I know you're smarter than this. The endowment is not an ATM that can be used for athletic facilities upgrades.
I never implied that it was, although one of the goals of the campaign is to raise around $150 million for facilities upgrades.
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ku is not doing a complete upgrade of memorial
If K-State had just built a brand new sports complex for its national championship track & field program, announced plans for a $17 million luxury apartment for its bball programs, hired HNTB for a complete upgrade of its football stadium, and started construction for a facility that would house the original rules of basketball, I wouldn't be making fun of them. But hey, I guess that's what separates me from the inferiority complex'd herd at goEMAW.com.
to be fair, you can't say that with 100% certainty, because ku doesn't even know with 100% certainty what they're going to do. still just talking about different options.
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If K-State had just built a brand new sports complex for its national championship track & field program, announced plans for a $17 million luxury apartment for its bball programs, hired HNTB for a complete upgrade of its football stadium, and started construction for a facility that would house the original rules of basketball, I wouldn't be making fun of them. But hey, I guess that's what separates me from the inferiority complex'd herd at goEMAW.com.
:ROFL:
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The "KU has multiple alums who can afford to donate millions" talk is getting old. Either your alums are unwilling to donate or KU has the worst Athletic Department in division 1 when it comes to raising money (or maybe a lethal combo of both). Sounds like a lot of wishful thinking. T's and P's.
KU has raised over a billion dollars since '08 through its Far Above fundraising campaign. There's plenty of deep pockets to help fund the football stadium upgrade once HNTB releases the renderings after bball season. My guess is that Illig and Cerner play a big role in the upgrades, and KU incorporates some of the technology from Sporting Park into the new Memorial.
I know you're smarter than this. The endowment is not an ATM that can be used for athletic facilities upgrades.
I never implied that it was, although one of the goals of the campaign is to raise around $150 million for facilities upgrades.
Sorry, you didn't and my bad for wording my post like that. You obviously know the difference but many KU fans like to throw out the billion $ endowment when discussing athletic facilities like it's a piggy bank meant to be raided for that sole purpose.
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The "KU has multiple alums who can afford to donate millions" talk is getting old. Either your alums are unwilling to donate or KU has the worst Athletic Department in division 1 when it comes to raising money (or maybe a lethal combo of both). Sounds like a lot of wishful thinking. T's and P's.
KU has raised over a billion dollars since '08 through its Far Above fundraising campaign. There's plenty of deep pockets to help fund the football stadium upgrade once HNTB releases the renderings after bball season. My guess is that Illig and Cerner play a big role in the upgrades, and KU incorporates some of the technology from Sporting Park into the new Memorial.
I know you're smarter than this. The endowment is not an ATM that can be used for athletic facilities upgrades.
I never implied that it was, although one of the goals of the campaign is to raise around $150 million for facilities upgrades.
Sorry, you didn't and my bad for wording my post like that. You obviously know the difference but many KU fans like to throw out the billion $ endowment when discussing athletic facilities like it's a piggy bank meant to be raided for that sole purpose.
Naw, they just like to throw it in your face because it's something you don't have :kstategrad:
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if $150 million is earmarked for athletics, they'll probably spend it on a fleet of limos to drive the basketball team around to protect them
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Sure do use the words "plan on" a lot there beems. That hasn't worked out so well for you guys in the past
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The "KU has multiple alums who can afford to donate millions" talk is getting old. Either your alums are unwilling to donate or KU has the worst Athletic Department in division 1 when it comes to raising money (or maybe a lethal combo of both). Sounds like a lot of wishful thinking. T's and P's.
KU has raised over a billion dollars since '08 through its Far Above fundraising campaign. There's plenty of deep pockets to help fund the football stadium upgrade once HNTB releases the renderings after bball season. My guess is that Illig and Cerner play a big role in the upgrades, and KU incorporates some of the technology from Sporting Park into the new Memorial.
So why the elaborate leasing agreement for the east Topeka T&F facility? Should be chump change for big wheels like KU, not a leaseback traditionally reserved for the cash poor.
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"k-state is in shambles" "k-state doesn't have the financial horsepower to compete over the long haul"
Welp, $128 million in facilities improvements in 4 years, another $62 million in the final planning phases and nearly $90 million dollars in private giving to K-State athletics in 4 years, with one Elite Booster footing nearly half the bill on the next round.
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There may be a stipulation regarding occupancy, rather than strict number of units. 51% of occupants must be non-athletes in the building. The federal government will fight the tax-exempt status of the athletic department if the occupancy is more athletes than non-athletes. Definitely a slippery slope if they can't find occupants for the other apartments, especially with other new private units being built near Memorial Stadium. This could also raise concerns regarding football housing, volleyball housing, track housing, etc., and whether or not all athletes are treated fairly. This shouldn't matter (in my opinion, based on which teams bring in more $$$) but college athletic departments are considered non-taxable charities, rather than separate entities. I doubt the athletic department will want to pay taxes just so xyz basketball player can live in a nicer apartment unit.
This dormitory will be built though, without a doubt. Those are just the details that must be addressed. Rest easy, Beems.
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The "KU has multiple alums who can afford to donate millions" talk is getting old. Either your alums are unwilling to donate or KU has the worst Athletic Department in division 1 when it comes to raising money (or maybe a lethal combo of both). Sounds like a lot of wishful thinking. T's and P's.
KU has raised over a billion dollars since '08 through its Far Above fundraising campaign. There's plenty of deep pockets to help fund the football stadium upgrade once HNTB releases the renderings after bball season. My guess is that Illig and Cerner play a big role in the upgrades, and KU incorporates some of the technology from Sporting Park into the new Memorial.
All depends on if the Royals come on the market.
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There may be a stipulation regarding occupancy, rather than strict number of units. 51% of occupants must be non-athletes in the building. The federal government will fight the tax-exempt status of the athletic department if the occupancy is more athletes than non-athletes. Definitely a slippery slope if they can't find occupants for the other apartments, especially with other new private units being built near Memorial Stadium. This could also raise concerns regarding football housing, volleyball housing, track housing, etc., and whether or not all athletes are treated fairly. This shouldn't matter (in my opinion, based on which teams bring in more $$$) but college athletic departments are considered non-taxable charities, rather than separate entities. I doubt the athletic department will want to pay taxes just so xyz basketball player can live in a nicer apartment unit.
This dormitory will be built though, without a doubt. Those are just the details that must be addressed. Rest easy, Beems.
66 apartments. 32 athletes. 34 non-athletes.
34/66 = 51.51%
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If K-State had just built a brand new sports complex for its national championship track & field program, announced plans for a $17 million luxury apartment for its bball programs, hired HNTB for a complete upgrade of its football stadium, and started construction for a facility that would house the original rules of basketball, I wouldn't be making fun of them. But hey, I guess that's what separates me from the inferiority complex'd herd at goEMAW.com.
Lady track and field.
But grats on someday maybe announcing plans to renovate the worst football stadium in DI
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The "KU has multiple alums who can afford to donate millions" talk is getting old. Either your alums are unwilling to donate or KU has the worst Athletic Department in division 1 when it comes to raising money (or maybe a lethal combo of both). Sounds like a lot of wishful thinking. T's and P's.
KU has raised over a billion dollars since '08 through its Far Above fundraising campaign. There's plenty of deep pockets to help fund the football stadium upgrade once HNTB releases the renderings after bball season. My guess is that Illig and Cerner play a big role in the upgrades, and KU incorporates some of the technology from Sporting Park into the new Memorial.
I know you're smarter than this. The endowment is not an ATM that can be used for athletic facilities upgrades.
I never implied that it was, although one of the goals of the campaign is to raise around $150 million for facilities upgrades.
You affirmatively stated they raised over a billion dollars, which is a flat out lie. And 80% of the number they have raised is "deferred giving" so its more like in excess of $200 million.
The cerner guys haven't spent a nickel on Ku athletics to date, but yeah, they'll probably foot the bill for a new stadium.
Meanwhile, the Edgerly family cuts 8 figure checks. Oh the plight of being poor
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Of course Paul Gorup thought so much of Ku that he sent his kids to kstate and donates a substantial amount of money to kstate. And the other cerner guy went to okie state. But yeah, the cerner guy
s are is gonna build Ku a football stadium.
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Havs is right, just a couple minor details to get worked out. Rest easy, Beems.
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FSD is going straight dax on these point plnkrs.
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The "KU has multiple alums who can afford to donate millions" talk is getting old. Either your alums are unwilling to donate or KU has the worst Athletic Department in division 1 when it comes to raising money (or maybe a lethal combo of both). Sounds like a lot of wishful thinking. T's and P's.
KU has raised over a billion dollars since '08 through its Far Above fundraising campaign. There's plenty of deep pockets to help fund the football stadium upgrade once HNTB releases the renderings after bball season. My guess is that Illig and Cerner play a big role in the upgrades, and KU incorporates some of the technology from Sporting Park into the new Memorial.
I know you're smarter than this. The endowment is not an ATM that can be used for athletic facilities upgrades.
I never implied that it was, although one of the goals of the campaign is to raise around $150 million for facilities upgrades.
You affirmatively stated they raised over a billion dollars, which is a flat out lie. And 80% of the number they have raised is "deferred giving" so its more like in excess of $200 million.
The cerner guys haven't spent a nickel on Ku athletics to date, but yeah, they'll probably foot the bill for a new stadium.
Meanwhile, the Edgerly family cuts 8 figure checks. Oh the plight of being poor
False. They paid for almost the entire AFH renovation in like '08. But I'd bet money they try and turn memorial into sporting park west.
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http://www.kuendowment.org/s/1312/endowment/farabove/index.aspx?sid=1312&gid=1&pgid=1570 (http://www.kuendowment.org/s/1312/endowment/farabove/index.aspx?sid=1312&gid=1&pgid=1570)
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KU has raised over a billion dollars in private funding since 08. Unlike K-State, we have multiple alums who can afford to donate millions to renovating the stadium. Cliff Illig and Cerner are heavily Involved in the process, and renderings will be released after bball season concludes.
Just out of curiosity, how strong is your source?
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I really appreciate how uninformed most ku people are.
If it's not begging for the Cerner guys money, it's begging for Anschutz money. It's really kind of pathetic.
Meanwhile EMAW elite donors just whip out the checkbook and hand over another $10 million.
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I really appreciate how uninformed most ku people are.
If it's not begging for the Cerner guys money, it's begging for Anschutz money. It's really kind of pathetic.
Meanwhile EMAW elite donors just whip out the checkbook and hand over another $10 million.
Apparently you've never heard of David Booth, Dana Anderson, or Forrest Hoglund.
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I really appreciate how uninformed most ku people are.
If it's not begging for the Cerner guys money, it's begging for Anschutz money. It's really kind of pathetic.
Meanwhile EMAW elite donors just whip out the checkbook and hand over another $10 million.
Apparently you've never heard of David Booth.
the guy who killed abe Lincoln went to KU?! :runaway:
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I really appreciate how uninformed most ku people are.
If it's not begging for the Cerner guys money, it's begging for Anschutz money. It's really kind of pathetic.
Meanwhile EMAW elite donors just whip out the checkbook and hand over another $10 million.
Apparently you've never heard of David Booth.
the guy who killed abe Lincoln went to KU?! :runaway:
Just another multi-billionaire KU alum who has donated millions to the basketball program.
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I really appreciate how uninformed most ku people are.
If it's not begging for the Cerner guys money, it's begging for Anschutz money. It's really kind of pathetic.
Meanwhile EMAW elite donors just whip out the checkbook and hand over another $10 million.
Apparently you've never heard of David Booth, Dana Anderson, or Forrest Hoglund.
Dana Anderson pretty much admitted he was tapped out a few years ago bro. Plus I wasn't referencing Anderson, Booth or Hoglund in my comments.
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dax usually has several days a week/month where he takes ku fans into the woodshed, but today he won't let them out of the woodshed.
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Maybe cliff illig could donate the collection plates for the dogmatic delusionists known as rock chaulk nation, vice chancellor, bmwjhawk
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Maybe cliff illig could donate the collection plates for the dogmatic delusionists known as rock chaulk nation, vice chancellor, bmwjhawk
ehhhhhhhhhh
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I really appreciate how uninformed most ku people are.
If it's not begging for the Cerner guys money, it's begging for Anschutz money. It's really kind of pathetic.
Meanwhile EMAW elite donors just whip out the checkbook and hand over another $10 million.
Apparently you've never heard of David Booth.
the guy who killed abe Lincoln went to KU?! :runaway:
Just another multi-billionaire KU alum who has donated millions to the basketball program.
Owns financial firm that hired Sparkles.
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Donor for apartments
Kansas announced during the first half of Monday’s game against Oklahoma that the planned “Fieldhouse Apartments” project, which will eventually house the school’s men’s and women’s basketball players, is moving forward.
The primary donation, KU announced, came from the family of Kansas alum Kent McCarthy. The donation will allow KU to begin phase one of the $17 million project. Earlier this month, the Kansas legislature denied the school additional bonds for the project.
The apartments, KU said, will be named for Kent’s late mother, Marie S. McCarthy. Born in 1929, Marie grew up on a farm in central Kansas during the 1930s before attending KU.
“My mother loved everything about the University of Kansas and the state of Kansas,” Kent McCarthy said. “She never missed watching a KU basketball game. My father Charles, who thankfully is still with us, and Marie were married for 62 years, and I think the only thing ‘Grams’ loved more than Kansas basketball was being a grandmother.”
According to a plan submitted to the Kansas Board of Regents in January, the first phase would include a commons area and 33 bedrooms at an estimated cost of $11.6 million. According to the same plan, private donations would finance $7 million to 7.5 million of phase one. KU athletic director Sheahon Zenger said KU was still searching for other donors for the project.
KU officials said Monday that they would meet with architects to review the plans and that the cost estimates could change.
In a statement, KU coach Bill Self said he was looking forward to the new housing for his players.
“We have the best venue, and we will have the best housing,” Self said. “I see a world of positive in this project as we strive to maintain and even exceed what the Kansas basketball program has been achieving.”
Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2014/02/24/4847403/kansas-announces-donor-for-basketball.html#storylink=cpy
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smooth move naming future rapeville city, USA after a sweet ole lady. girls will never see it coming.
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So who gets to live in it after the first phase is completed? Just bball players? Now that it is only privately funded, can they make it just for bball players?
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So who gets to live in it after the first phase is completed? Just bball players? Now that it is only privately funded, can they make it just for bball players?
no but i'm sure they'll figure out a way to cheat the system
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So who gets to live in it after the first phase is completed? Just bball players? Now that it is only privately funded, can they make it just for bball players?
from what I understand it was always going to be privately funded. they just wanted a bond from the state in order to get started while they collected the money. ?
So they just had to go out and get someone to fork over some cash up front instead.
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So who gets to live in it after the first phase is completed? Just bball players? Now that it is only privately funded, can they make it just for bball players?
no but i'm sure they'll figure out a way to cheat the system
if you do it as much as they do its just a normal tuesday
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It took them this long to raise $7 million and they have to finance the rest until they can raise $4 more???......pfffffffffffft...LOLZ
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Should just build an olympic village for all the athletes, but what sense would that make?
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99 year land lease for the
dorm rape facility and 99 year am on the financing. Boom, KU can afford it.
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99 year land lease for the dorm rape facility and 99 year am on the financing. Boom, KU can afford it.
Wait, what?
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The butthurt in this thread is strong enough to give someone hemorrhoids.
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The butthurt in this thread is strong enough to give someone hemorrhoids.
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All the bragging the phog does about how loaded ku boosters are, and yet they're limping along trying to raise a paltry $17 million for their beloved basketball program, even trying to get other departments at ku to go into debt on their behalf.
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:popcorn:
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All the bragging the phog does about how loaded ku boosters are, and yet they're limping along trying to raise a paltry $17 million for their beloved basketball program, even trying to get other departments at ku to go into debt on their behalf.
ku booster's are already paying enough for their athletes
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It's been like two weeks since the budget committee blocked the bond request, and KU already has a private donor financing phase 1 of the project. K-State would be holding a bakesale and praying to God that one of its fans won the lottery if it was in the same situation.
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Would love to see the look on Weis's face when they told him.
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Why in the hell is a $17m pud facility being done in phases?
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Why is K-State too poor and irrelevant to build one of these facilities for themselves?
There's like, 4 schools in the whole country that give a crap about basketball
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Why is K-State too poor and irrelevant to build one of these facilities for themselves?
Because as you stated before, this type of facility is unnecessary and money is better spent on facilities that bring higher margins. You know....better for business. :kstategrad:
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Why is beems so butthurt when he got the Kentucky Jr. facility they have been begging for? :confused:
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K-State's football facilities are a joke compared to other legit football programs. You guys need to relocate your entire stadium and take out the harley track before anyone takes you seriously.
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K-State's football facilities are a joke compared to other legit football programs. You guys need to relocate your entire stadium and take out the harley track before anyone takes you seriously.
It's like Day 5 of the Captain Butthurt rampage.
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Beems is angry again this morning. :frown: Why? :confused:
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K-State's football facilities are a joke compared to other legit football programs. You guys need to relocate your entire stadium and take out the harley track before anyone takes you seriously.
That was a very butthurt comment and has nothing to do with the conversation as a whole. I hope our announcement April 26th doesn't push you over the edge Beems.
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K-State's football facilities are a joke compared to other legit football programs. You guys need to relocate your entire stadium and take out the harley track before anyone takes you seriously.
We do need to add room for Big 12 title banners/bowl win banners. I will admit that much
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I'm just so happy the McCarthys and other generous members of Jayhawk Nation have made this dream of luxury living possible for so many kids from impoverished backgrounds, as well as 30 lucky rich kids who will be co-habitating with them. It is from all of us and is our gift to future Jayhawk Generations.
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I'm just so happy the McCarthys and other generous members of Jayhawk Nation have made this dream of luxury living possible for so many kids from impoverished backgrounds, as well as 30 lucky rich kids who will be co-habitating with them. It is from all of us and is our gift to future Jayhawk Generations.
It is very nice of them. I feel like Beems should be happy they got this thing going after begging so long for it instead of taking shots at K-State.
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K-State's football facilities are a joke compared to other legit football programs. You guys need to relocate your entire stadium and take out the harley track before anyone takes you seriously.
That was a very butthurt comment and has nothing to do with the conversation as a whole. I hope our announcement April 26th doesn't push you over the edge Beems.
Like I said, unless K-State plans on relocating the stadium and digging it out of the hole in the ground that it currently occupies, there's nothing that could be considered anything more than putting lipstick on a pig. Meanwhile, KU will be adding to the already ridiculous gap that exists between us and the rest of college basketball.
:kstategrad:
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one would think players would flock to play at the birthplace of basketball w/o the need to build something this dumb.
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Is this a dorm where the players are able to bash their gf's against the sink without anyone seeing? Is that why this thing is going in? :confused:
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It's been like two weeks since the budget committee blocked the bond request, and KU already has a private donor financing phase 1 of the project. K-State would be holding a bakesale and praying to God that one of its fans won the lottery if it was in the same situation.
Man, just wait until Friday's announcement...
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It's been like two weeks since the budget committee blocked the bond request, and KU already has a private donor financing phase 1 of the project. K-State would be holding a bakesale and praying to God that one of its fans won the lottery if it was in the same situation.
Man, just wait until Friday's announcement...
:emawkid:
Captain the bake sale was a success! BIG SUCCESS!
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Oh... Cap'n.... This gonna be good...
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It's been like two weeks since the budget committee blocked the bond request, and KU already has a private donor financing phase 1 of the project. K-State would be holding a bakesale and praying to God that one of its fans won the lottery if it was in the same situation.
Man, just wait until Friday's announcement...
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Captain the bake sale was a success! BIG SUCCESS!
Yes, it was.
$7M is pretty good, kudos to them. Sucks to be one-upped.
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It's been like two weeks since the budget committee blocked the bond request, and KU already has a private donor financing phase 1 of the project. K-State would be holding a bakesale and praying to God that one of its fans won the lottery if it was in the same situation.
Man, just wait until Friday's announcement...
Are they finally going to relocate the stadium and remove the harley track?
:surprised:
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K-State's football facilities are a joke compared to other legit football programs. You guys need to relocate your entire stadium and take out the harley track before anyone takes you seriously.
That was a very butthurt comment and has nothing to do with the conversation as a whole. I hope our announcement April 26th doesn't push you over the edge Beems.
Like I said, unless K-State plans on relocating the stadium and digging it out of the hole in the ground that it currently occupies, there's nothing that could be considered anything more than putting lipstick on a pig. Meanwhile, KU will be adding to the already ridiculous gap that exists between us and the rest of college basketball.
:kstategrad:
There was enough money contributed to capital athletic projects at K-State in FY 2013 to finance that entire dorm right out of the gate and have $5 million left over.
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K-State's football facilities are a joke compared to other legit football programs. You guys need to relocate your entire stadium and take out the harley track before anyone takes you seriously.
That was a very butthurt comment and has nothing to do with the conversation as a whole. I hope our announcement April 26th doesn't push you over the edge Beems.
Like I said, unless K-State plans on relocating the stadium and digging it out of the hole in the ground that it currently occupies, there's nothing that could be considered anything more than putting lipstick on a pig. Meanwhile, KU will be adding to the already ridiculous gap that exists between us and the rest of college basketball.
:kstategrad:
Don't be so pissed about K-state being the Alpha
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Beems is angry again this morning. :frown: Why? :confused:
The coffee in Oregon sucks.
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K-State's football facilities are a joke compared to other legit football programs. You guys need to relocate your entire stadium and take out the harley track before anyone takes you seriously.
That was a very butthurt comment and has nothing to do with the conversation as a whole. I hope our announcement April 26th doesn't push you over the edge Beems.
Like I said, unless K-State plans on relocating the stadium and digging it out of the hole in the ground that it currently occupies, there's nothing that could be considered anything more than putting lipstick on a pig. Meanwhile, KU will be adding to the already ridiculous gap that exists between us and the rest of college basketball.
:kstategrad:
There was enough money contributed to capital athletic projects at K-State in FY 2013 to finance that entire dorm right out of the gate and have $5 million left over.
Kentucky's Wildcat Coal Lodge cost $7 million, and it's really nice. KU raised that less than 10 days after the KS budget committee denied our bond request. KU will soon have the best athletic housing facility in college basketball.
:kstategrad:
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When you give up on football you can do anything!
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When you give up on football you can do anything!
We went 12-1 and won a BCS bowl with worse facilities than what we have now.
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K-State's football facilities are a joke compared to other legit football programs. You guys need to relocate your entire stadium and take out the harley track before anyone takes you seriously.
That was a very butthurt comment and has nothing to do with the conversation as a whole. I hope our announcement April 26th doesn't push you over the edge Beems.
Like I said, unless K-State plans on relocating the stadium and digging it out of the hole in the ground that it currently occupies, there's nothing that could be considered anything more than putting lipstick on a pig. Meanwhile, KU will be adding to the already ridiculous gap that exists between us and the rest of college basketball.
:kstategrad:
There was enough money contributed to capital athletic projects at K-State in FY 2013 to finance that entire dorm right out of the gate and have $5 million left over.
Kentucky's Wildcat Coal Lodge cost $7 million, and it's really nice. KU raised that less than 10 days after the KS budget committee denied our best request, and will be moving forward with the best athletic housing facility in college basketball.
:kstategrad:
ku has been fund raising for this a lot longer then that, otherwise they wouldn't even have attempted to get the Regents and thus the legislature to approve the project with partial bond financing.
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K-State's football facilities are a joke compared to other legit football programs. You guys need to relocate your entire stadium and take out the harley track before anyone takes you seriously.
That was a very butthurt comment and has nothing to do with the conversation as a whole. I hope our announcement April 26th doesn't push you over the edge Beems.
Like I said, unless K-State plans on relocating the stadium and digging it out of the hole in the ground that it currently occupies, there's nothing that could be considered anything more than putting lipstick on a pig. Meanwhile, KU will be adding to the already ridiculous gap that exists between us and the rest of college basketball.
:kstategrad:
There was enough money contributed to capital athletic projects at K-State in FY 2013 to finance that entire dorm right out of the gate and have $5 million left over.
Kentucky's Wildcat Coal Lodge cost $7 million, and it's really nice. KU raised that less than 10 days after the KS budget committee denied our best request, and will be moving forward with the best athletic housing facility in college basketball.
:kstategrad:
Ben, that $7m was already privately committed which is why the building was submitted to the state in the first place. It's not like KU reached out after it was denied and McCarthy was like "oh, here is $7m." I'm assuming you know this and are just trolling.
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When you give up on football you can do anything!
We went 12-1 and won a BCS bowl with worse facilities than what we have now.
History awaits!
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When you give up on football you can do anything!
We went 12-1 and won a BCS bowl with worse facilities than what we have now.
History awaits!
Doesn't it always?
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When you give up on football you can do anything!
We went 12-1 and won a BCS bowl with worse facilities than what we have now.
History awaits!
Doesn't it always?
Indefinitely
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When you give up on football you can do anything!
We went 12-1 and won a BCS bowl with worse facilities than what we have now.
Honest question... (don't have time to scour past schedules right now), but has ku won 12 games collectively since that season?
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Look kids, they tried to convince themselves for years that K-State didn't have the financial resources to compete, they don't understand how this all works and they clearly don't understand how much private money is now being contributed to the K-State athletic department these days (Nearly $39 million last year, and if CC is right, that number will be surpassed this year).
Now that all their little myths are being destroyed, they have nothing left but to lash out on K-State message boards when we have a little fun at their expense.
The psychological issues at play are varied and broad: Anger, low self-esteem, ego etc. The list is almost endless.
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Look kids, they tried to convince themselves for years that K-State didn't have the financial resources to compete, they don't understand how this all works and they clearly don't understand how much private money is now being contributed to the K-State athletic department these days (Nearly $39 million last year, and if CC is right, that number will be surpassed this year).
Now that all their little myths are being destroyed, they have nothing left to do but lash out on K-State message boards when we have a little fun at their expense.
The psychological issues at play are varied and broad: Anger, low self-esteem, ego etc. The list is almost endless.
There is a sense of entitlement based on 100+ years of KU superiority. However, things don't always continue into the future as they have been in the past. KSU has certainly raised their profile the past few decades. A lot of the current crop of Jayhawks think they can stand around with their hands in their pockets and things will always be as they were.
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Look kids, they tried to convince themselves for years that K-State didn't have the financial resources to compete, they don't understand how this all works and they clearly don't understand how much private money is now being contributed to the K-State athletic department these days (Nearly $39 million last year, and if CC is right, that number will be surpassed this year).
Now that all their little myths are being destroyed, they have nothing left to do but lash out on K-State message boards when we have a little fun at their expense.
The psychological issues at play are varied and broad: Anger, low self-esteem, ego etc. The list is almost endless.
K-State didn't have the financial resources to compete until recently. The university has grown, and the football program and basketball program are both good for the first time in school history. The truth is that you and the rest of the butthurt squad have convinced yourselves that KU is this poor, second-class program that can't afford anything. Then when KU privately finances and announces plans for the best athletic housing facility in college basketball, you continue to manipulate the rhetoric and portray KU as this poor program that has to beg for money. It's really sad just how bitter and jealous you are of all things KU. You are one of those sick people who hates their rival more than they love their own school.
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Look kids, they tried to convince themselves for years that K-State didn't have the financial resources to compete, they don't understand how this all works and they clearly don't understand how much private money is now being contributed to the K-State athletic department these days (Nearly $39 million last year, and if CC is right, that number will be surpassed this year).
Now that all their little myths are being destroyed, they have nothing left to do but lash out on K-State message boards when we have a little fun at their expense.
The psychological issues at play are varied and broad: Anger, low self-esteem, ego etc. The list is almost endless.
K-State didn't have the financial resources to compete until recently. The university has grown, and the football program and basketball program are both good for the first time in school history. The truth is that you and the rest of the butthurt squad have convinced yourselves that KU is this poor, second-class program that can't afford anything. Then when KU privately finances and announces plans for the best athletic housing facility in college basketball, you continue to manipulate the rhetoric and portray KU as this poor program that has to beg for money. It's really sad just how bitter and jealous you are of all things KU. You are one of those sick people who hates their rival more than they love their own school.
You need to realize that part of feeling good about yourself is feeling bad about your foil.
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K-State didn't have the financial resources to compete until recently. The university has grown, and the football program and basketball program are both good for the first time in school history. The truth is that you and the rest of the butthurt squad have convinced yourselves that KU is this poor, second-class program that can't afford anything. Then when KU privately finances and announces plans for the best athletic housing facility in college basketball, you continue to manipulate the rhetoric and portray KU as this poor program that has to beg for money. It's really sad just how bitter and jealous you are of all things KU. You are one of those sick people who hates their rival more than they love their own school.
Merriam-Webster needs to go and ahead and slap this post onto its irony definition
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Look kids, they tried to convince themselves for years that K-State didn't have the financial resources to compete, they don't understand how this all works and they clearly don't understand how much private money is now being contributed to the K-State athletic department these days (Nearly $39 million last year, and if CC is right, that number will be surpassed this year).
Now that all their little myths are being destroyed, they have nothing left to do but lash out on K-State message boards when we have a little fun at their expense.
The psychological issues at play are varied and broad: Anger, low self-esteem, ego etc. The list is almost endless.
There is a sense of entitlement based on 100+ years of KU superiority. However, things don't always continue into the future as they have been in the past. KSU has certainly raised their profile the past few decades. A lot of the current crop of Jayhawks think they can stand around with their hands in their pockets and things will always be as they were.
This means K-State absolutely owning football since I was in grade school. With this move, ku has ceded it to kstate for another decade.
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You need to realize that part of feeling good about yourself is feeling bad about your foil.[quote/]
One of the great things about bbs is that you can go away/just lurk for a long time only to return, like the beautiful swallows to Capistrano, to find two or more participants cracking on one another.
Timeless.
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Or you come back to find somebody murdering up the quote function.
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the best athletic housing facility in college basketball
What a weird thing to be best at.
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the best athletic housing facility in college basketball
What a weird thing to be best at.
Having the best facilities in all of college basketball is pretty great, actually.
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the best athletic housing facility in college basketball
What a weird thing to be best at.
Having the best facilities in all of college basketball is pretty great, actually.
:love:
:kugoalposts:
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the best athletic housing facility in college basketball
What a weird thing to be best at.
Having the best facilities in all of college basketball is pretty great, actually.
:love:
The only ppl who care tho, are KU fans. Nationally, this story is nothing. You already land top recruits. This isn't going to change anything.
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the best athletic housing facility in college basketball
What a weird thing to be best at.
Having the best facilities in all of college basketball is pretty great, actually.
:love:
The only ppl who care tho, are KU fans. Nationally, this story is nothing. You already land top recruits. This isn't going to change anything.
except keep the football program as the worst in conference history
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the best athletic housing facility in college basketball
What a weird thing to be best at.
Having the best facilities in all of college basketball is pretty great, actually.
:love:
The only ppl who care tho, are KU fans. Nationally, this story is nothing. You already land top recruits. This isn't going to change anything.
except keep the football program as the worst in conference history
The new luxury condos and commercial space by the football stadium should help.
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Yup, it's gonna be like "Hey, I was just stopping by to grab a 'Sbarro. Is that a football game going on, there?"
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Yup, it's gonna be like "Hey, I was just stopping by to grab a 'Sbarro. Is that a football game going on, there?"
They're not building a shopping mall. Just a 7-story luxury condo/commercial area.
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How do you know 'Sbarro won't be involved? Could be anything. Mercedes show room, Louis Vuitton, 'Sbarro, who knows?
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Look kids, they tried to convince themselves for years that K-State didn't have the financial resources to compete, they don't understand how this all works and they clearly don't understand how much private money is now being contributed to the K-State athletic department these days (Nearly $39 million last year, and if CC is right, that number will be surpassed this year).
Now that all their little myths are being destroyed, they have nothing left to do but lash out on K-State message boards when we have a little fun at their expense.
The psychological issues at play are varied and broad: Anger, low self-esteem, ego etc. The list is almost endless.
K-State didn't have the financial resources to compete until recently. The university has grown, and the football program and basketball program are both good for the first time in school history. The truth is that you and the rest of the butthurt squad have convinced yourselves that KU is this poor, second-class program that can't afford anything. Then when KU privately finances and announces plans for the best athletic housing facility in college basketball, you continue to manipulate the rhetoric and portray KU as this poor program that has to beg for money. It's really sad just how bitter and jealous you are of all things KU. You are one of those sick people who hates their rival more than they love their own school.
LOL, we clown ku because we know it makes you and your ilk angry. No one said ku is poor, but you and the phog have tried to paint a picture that ku has unlimited resources (mainly because dummies confuse endowments with capital giving and such) and can do whatever it wants whenever it wants. Then reality takes a big bite: Gridiron Club, no Olympic Village on Campus, 2015 or later on stadium improvements, going and asking other ku departments to go into debt to build a basketball dorm . . . and we laugh a little at ku and you can't handle it.
From the time AFH was built until around 2004 or 2005; ku did exactly one truly significant sports facilities project, one. Bob Fredrick went and borrowed $30 million dollars to keep memorial stadium from crumbling to the ground, put up a new press box and bought a videoboard.
Other than that the only other things even remotely significant that were done was a few improvements to baseball, some restrooms and fire control system at AFH, some new offices at AFH, a few new playing surfaces, some new scoreboards and a tin shed practice gym/volleyball facility, and the Anschutz Pavilion. That's pretty much it over a span of nearly FIFTY YEARS. So quit acting like ku isn't also a Johnny Come Lately on major facilities projects.
It wasn't until around 2004-5-6 that ku completed anything even remotely substantial AND that was funded significantly with private money and that was the BHOA and the new weightroom at AFH (and Al Bohl had to go borrow $4 million from the KU Endowment to do that). Every major facilities project at ku since 1998 has needed borrowed money, or some type of weird off campus partnership financing except for the BHOA. Hell, Lew conned the students into building the new rowing facility for crying out loud.
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How do you know 'Sbarro won't be involved? Could be anything. Mercedes show room, Louis Vuitton, 'Sbarro, who knows?
Inductive reasoning combined with high 'SIQ.
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How do you know 'Sbarro won't be involved? Could be anything. Mercedes show room, Louis Vuitton, 'Sbarro, who knows?
runza? :pray:
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OU built a $75 million dollar dorm that houses athletes and exactly the legal number or "regular" students, they have a nice basketball practice facility on the Noble Center, they have nice basketball offices. I guess they can claim they have the nicest basketball facilities in the country as well.
See how that works?
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Why doesn't KU just ask us to borrow money? :tsc:
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Look kids, they tried to convince themselves for years that K-State didn't have the financial resources to compete, they don't understand how this all works and they clearly don't understand how much private money is now being contributed to the K-State athletic department these days (Nearly $39 million last year, and if CC is right, that number will be surpassed this year).
Now that all their little myths are being destroyed, they have nothing left to do but lash out on K-State message boards when we have a little fun at their expense.
The psychological issues at play are varied and broad: Anger, low self-esteem, ego etc. The list is almost endless.
K-State didn't have the financial resources to compete until recently. The university has grown, and the football program and basketball program are both good for the first time in school history. The truth is that you and the rest of the butthurt squad have convinced yourselves that KU is this poor, second-class program that can't afford anything. Then when KU privately finances and announces plans for the best athletic housing facility in college basketball, you continue to manipulate the rhetoric and portray KU as this poor program that has to beg for money. It's really sad just how bitter and jealous you are of all things KU. You are one of those sick people who hates their rival more than they love their own school.
LOL, we clown ku because we know it makes you and your ilk angry. No one said ku is poor, but you and the phog have tried to paint a picture that ku has unlimited resources (mainly because dummies confuse endowments with capital giving and such) and can do whatever it wants whenever it wants. Then reality takes a big bite: Gridiron Club, no Olympic Village on Campus, 2015 or later on stadium improvements, going and asking other ku departments to go into debt to build a basketball dorm . . . and we laugh a little at ku and you can't handle it.
From the time AFH was built until around 2004 or 2005; ku did exactly one truly significant sports facilities project, one. Bob Fredrick went and borrowed $30 million dollars to keep memorial stadium from crumbling to the ground, put up a new press box and bought a videoboard.
Other than that the only other things even remotely significant that were done was a few improvements to baseball, some restrooms and fire control system at AFH, some new offices at AFH, a few new playing surfaces, some new scoreboards and a tin shed practice gym/volleyball facility, and the Anschutz Pavilion. That's pretty much it over a span of nearly FIFTY YEARS. So quit acting like ku isn't also a Johnny Come Lately on major facilities projects.
It wasn't until around 2004-5-6 that ku completed anything even remotely substantial AND that was funded significantly with private money and that was the BHOA and the new weightroom at AFH (and Al Bohl had to go borrow $4 million from the KU Endowment to do that). Every major facilities project at ku since 1998 has needed borrowed money, or some type of weird off campus partnership financing except for the BHOA. Hell, Lew conned the students into building the new rowing facility for crying out loud.
1. KU fans have never claimed that we have "unlimited resources." Maybe someone could make that argument for the men's basketball program, but no one would say that about the entire athletic department. The Gridiron Club was a massive failure, and Lew devastated the entire football program by hiring Gill. No one would deny that. As for the Olympic Village, they moved it off campus and will build the athletic dorm in its place. By all accounts, the Rock Chalk Park is going to be a really nice sports complex, and the city of Lawrence will be able to benefit from the new recreation center and the shared facilities. I think it's actually pretty cool that regular citizens will benefit from the project. KU might actually be able to draw more fans to the non-revenue sports because of it.
2. The Anderson Family Strength & Conditioning Center was built in 2002. It is arguably nicer than Vanier, which is funny because that would mean that KU has two strength centers nicer than K-State's.
http://www.kuconnection.org/archive/2002/06/places_anderson.asp (http://www.kuconnection.org/archive/2002/06/places_anderson.asp)
3. AFH and the adjacent facilities underwent over $70 million in upgrades in 2009. The football complex was completed in 2008 and cost $31 million. Baseball, softball, volleyball, track, and rowing have all had facilities upgrades in the past few years as well. With the Rock Chalk Sports Park, KU will have completed over $130 million in athletic facilities upgrades since '07.
4. Last but not least, take a look at KU and K-State's financial statements. Last time I checked, K-State had over $83 million in bonds payable, while KU was somewhere around $40 million (IIRC). K-State has taken on a ton of debt with its recent facilities projects, much more than KU in fact.
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I never understood what an "Olympic village" was anyway.
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Look kids, they tried to convince themselves for years that K-State didn't have the financial resources to compete, they don't understand how this all works and they clearly don't understand how much private money is now being contributed to the K-State athletic department these days (Nearly $39 million last year, and if CC is right, that number will be surpassed this year).
Now that all their little myths are being destroyed, they have nothing left to do but lash out on K-State message boards when we have a little fun at their expense.
The psychological issues at play are varied and broad: Anger, low self-esteem, ego etc. The list is almost endless.
K-State didn't have the financial resources to compete until recently. The university has grown, and the football program and basketball program are both good for the first time in school history. The truth is that you and the rest of the butthurt squad have convinced yourselves that KU is this poor, second-class program that can't afford anything. Then when KU privately finances and announces plans for the best athletic housing facility in college basketball, you continue to manipulate the rhetoric and portray KU as this poor program that has to beg for money. It's really sad just how bitter and jealous you are of all things KU. You are one of those sick people who hates their rival more than they love their own school.
LOL, we clown ku because we know it makes you and your ilk angry. No one said ku is poor, but you and the phog have tried to paint a picture that ku has unlimited resources (mainly because dummies confuse endowments with capital giving and such) and can do whatever it wants whenever it wants. Then reality takes a big bite: Gridiron Club, no Olympic Village on Campus, 2015 or later on stadium improvements, going and asking other ku departments to go into debt to build a basketball dorm . . . and we laugh a little at ku and you can't handle it.
From the time AFH was built until around 2004 or 2005; ku did exactly one truly significant sports facilities project, one. Bob Fredrick went and borrowed $30 million dollars to keep memorial stadium from crumbling to the ground, put up a new press box and bought a videoboard.
Other than that the only other things even remotely significant that were done was a few improvements to baseball, some restrooms and fire control system at AFH, some new offices at AFH, a few new playing surfaces, some new scoreboards and a tin shed practice gym/volleyball facility, and the Anschutz Pavilion. That's pretty much it over a span of nearly FIFTY YEARS. So quit acting like ku isn't also a Johnny Come Lately on major facilities projects.
It wasn't until around 2004-5-6 that ku completed anything even remotely substantial AND that was funded significantly with private money and that was the BHOA and the new weightroom at AFH (and Al Bohl had to go borrow $4 million from the KU Endowment to do that). Every major facilities project at ku since 1998 has needed borrowed money, or some type of weird off campus partnership financing except for the BHOA. Hell, Lew conned the students into building the new rowing facility for crying out loud.
1. KU fans have never claimed that we have "unlimited resources." Maybe someone could make that argument for the men's basketball program, but no one would say that about the entire athletic department. The Gridiron Club was a massive failure, and Lew devastated the entire football program by hiring Gill. No one would deny that. As for the Olympic Village, they moved it off campus and will build the athletic dorm in its place. By all accounts, the Rock Chalk Park is going to be a really nice sports complex, and the city of Lawrence will be able to benefit from the new recreation center and the shared facilities. I think it's actually pretty cool that regular citizens will benefit from the project. KU might actually be able to draw more fans to the non-revenue sports because of it. It's immaterial that Rock Chalk Park will be cool for regular citizens, ku athletics made this move out of financial necessity, not because ku athletics decided one day it would be a good citizen of Lawrence.
2. The Anderson Family Strength & Conditioning Center was built in 2002. It is arguably nicer than Vanier, which is funny because that would mean that KU has two strength centers nicer than K-State's. The really has nothing to do with the actual point, again, ku went nearly 50 years with only one truly substantial facilities project
http://www.kuconnection.org/archive/2002/06/places_anderson.asp (http://www.kuconnection.org/archive/2002/06/places_anderson.asp)
3. AFH and the adjacent facilities underwent over $70 million in upgrades in 2009. The football complex was completed in 2008 and cost $31 million. Baseball, softball, volleyball, track, and rowing have all had facilities upgrades in the past few years as well. With the Rock Chalk Sports Park, KU will have completed over $130 million in athletic facilities upgrades since '07. That's all understood, and that makes my point, ku is every bit the Johnny come lately when it comes to major facilities improvements that K-State is, and if you want to go back to '07 period to now, that would mean K-State has spent $145 million on facilities since '07.
4. Last but not least, take a look at KU and K-State's financial statements. Last time I checked, K-State had over $83 million in bonds payable, while KU was somewhere around $40 million (IIRC). K-State has taken on a ton of debt with its recent facilities projects, much more than KU in fact. Of course what you always leave out is that ku athletics is now saddled with a 50 year lease on its books, and K-State athletics believes that they could retire all of that $80 million in debt early. But that really has nothing to do with nothing. It appears that K-State will be announcing the largest solely privately funded athletics project in KBOR school history, after just finishing the largest athletic facilities project in KBOR school history. No other projects have even come close in either category to date.
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I love when Dax goes into CPA mode, gives me a lot of talking points with KU tucks.
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I love when Dax goes into CPA mode, gives me a lot of talking points with KU tucks.
Yeah, total body bag moment there.
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I love when Dax goes into CPA mode, gives me a lot of talking points with KU tucks.
Yeah, total body bag moment there.
K-State fans think the butthurt, anti-KU guy with incorrect info won the argument. Shocking.
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I love when Dax goes into CPA mode, gives me a lot of talking points with KU tucks.
Yeah, total body bag moment there.
K-State fans think the butthurt, anti-KU guy with incorrect info won the argument. Shocking.
Nothing to see here folks... Beems posts a bunch of false assumptions and conjecture then dax destroys him with facts, causing beems to everybody butthurt, anti-ku, 'taters, etc.
Rinse and repeat.
:buh-bye:
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"You came to Lawrence...To run on this track..."
Welcome to even more non-Basketball eliteness, fans of KU sport:
...school officials announced that the track surface at Rock Chalk Park will be recognized by the International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF) as the fifth Class I Certified track on United States soil, and will be one of only 105 in the entire world.
Rock Chalk Park will join Oregon, Auburn and Arkansas at the collegiate level, and the surface at Icahn Stadium in New York to rank among the nation's elite track and field facilities. A coup in having a world-class facility like Rock Chalk Park has already been seen, as Kansas was selected to host its first NCAA West Preliminary regional meet May 26-28, 2016, which will feature the top-48 student-athletes in each event west of the Mississippi River.
"Our goal was to build one of the three or four highest-end competitive tracks in the nation - a world-class track that would allow KU to host not just state and regional competition, but national competition," said KU athletic director Sheahon Zenger in a press release. "This certification proves that we have accomplished our goals and now have a national championship team competing in a world-class facility."
Kansas head track and field coach Stanley Redwine is also pleased with the news.
"I'm really excited about getting the Class I certification," Redwine said. "That means that we'll have one of the top tracks in the world. It will help draw athletes from around the country knowing that they are competing on an outstanding surface. They can come (to Lawrence) assured that they're going to run fast times and have great performances at all our meets."
...The surface at Rock Chalk Park, installed by Beynon Sports Surfaces, underwent in-situ testing for the certification process. The average depth of the running surface for IAAF Class I certification is 12 mm, while the average depth for Rock Chalk Park ranged from 16mm to 19mm.
"The BSS 2000 system installed at Rock Chalk Park will offer the ultimate edge in performance while providing a safe site for daily training," said John Beynon, founder of Beynon Sport. "A force-reduction layer, constructed with butyl rubber and polyurethane will allow athletes to take advantage of top level control and maximum energy return."
:fatty:
source: http://www2.kusports.com/news/2014/feb/26/new-ku-track-rock-chalk-park-honored-distinct-labe/
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I love when Dax goes into CPA mode, gives me a lot of talking points with KU tucks.
Yeah, total body bag moment there.
K-State fans think the butthurt, anti-KU guy with incorrect info won the argument. Shocking.
Nothing to see here folks... Beems posts a bunch of false assumptions and conjecture then dax destroys him with facts, causing beems to everybody butthurt, anti-ku, 'taters, etc.
Rinse and repeat.
:buh-bye:
:flush:
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"You came to Lawrence...To run on this track..."
Welcome to even more non-Basketball eliteness, fans of KU sport:
...school officials announced that the track surface at Rock Chalk Park will be recognized by the International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF) as the fifth Class I Certified track on United States soil, and will be one of only 105 in the entire world.
Rock Chalk Park will join Oregon, Auburn and Arkansas at the collegiate level, and the surface at Icahn Stadium in New York to rank among the nation's elite track and field facilities. A coup in having a world-class facility like Rock Chalk Park has already been seen, as Kansas was selected to host its first NCAA West Preliminary regional meet May 26-28, 2016, which will feature the top-48 student-athletes in each event west of the Mississippi River.
"Our goal was to build one of the three or four highest-end competitive tracks in the nation - a world-class track that would allow KU to host not just state and regional competition, but national competition," said KU athletic director Sheahon Zenger in a press release. "This certification proves that we have accomplished our goals and now have a national championship team competing in a world-class facility."
Kansas head track and field coach Stanley Redwine is also pleased with the news.
"I'm really excited about getting the Class I certification," Redwine said. "That means that we'll have one of the top tracks in the world. It will help draw athletes from around the country knowing that they are competing on an outstanding surface. They can come (to Lawrence) assured that they're going to run fast times and have great performances at all our meets."
...The surface at Rock Chalk Park, installed by Beynon Sports Surfaces, underwent in-situ testing for the certification process. The average depth of the running surface for IAAF Class I certification is 12 mm, while the average depth for Rock Chalk Park ranged from 16mm to 19mm.
"The BSS 2000 system installed at Rock Chalk Park will offer the ultimate edge in performance while providing a safe site for daily training," said John Beynon, founder of Beynon Sport. "A force-reduction layer, constructed with butyl rubber and polyurethane will allow athletes to take advantage of top level control and maximum energy return."
:fatty:
source: http://www2.kusports.com/news/2014/feb/26/new-ku-track-rock-chalk-park-honored-distinct-labe/
as someone who is a fan of track (still goes to Kstate indoor track meet on occasions) and always enjoyed the Kansas Relays, that's pretty neat.
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"You came to Lawrence...To run on this track..."
Congrats. Will go to RCP, just too see this surface.
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Why is K-State too poor and irrelevant to build one of these facilities for themselves?
There's like, 4 schools in the whole country that give a crap about basketball
Ours is called Jardine and it cost 5x as much and is way awesomer (assuming)
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:love: :love:
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How do you know 'Sbarro won't be involved? Could be anything. Mercedes show room, Louis Vuitton, 'Sbarro, who knows?
http://cjonline.com/news/2014-02-19/sbarro-manager-says-restaurant-will-close-wednesday
:frown:
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I never understood what an "Olympic village" was anyway.
Pound Town.
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That is a very nice running track.
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I love when Dax goes into CPA mode, gives me a lot of talking points with KU tucks.
Yeah, total body bag moment there.
K-State fans think the butthurt, anti-KU guy with incorrect info won the argument. Shocking.
Please correct Dax on what he said then. Everything you've said has attempted to place KU ahead of K-State in this arms race, when Dax has repeatedly shown they are competitive ventures.
K-State didn't have the financial resources to compete until recently. The university has grown, and the football program and basketball program are both good for the first time in school history. The truth is that you and the rest of the butthurt squad have convinced yourselves that KU is this poor, second-class program that can't afford anything. Then when KU privately finances and announces plans for the best athletic housing facility in college basketball, you continue to manipulate the rhetoric and portray KU as this poor program that has to beg for money. It's really sad just how bitter and jealous you are of all things KU. You are one of those sick people who hates their rival more than they love their own school.
This is the problem with your mindset right here. You've been trying to say that K-State is well behind capabilities for years and we've been able to prove you wrong with massive projects supporting our athletics program. The goading, as pointed out, is to poke at your insecurity. The entire KU mindset is built around the Harvard of the Midwest mythology. Every project, title, donation, national recognition K-State receives strikes at that mythology in your mind and exposes your insecurity. I'll bet you respond to all of this with a K-States projects mean nothing talking point or a TLDNR.
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Beems is going to cling to me being off by a couple of years on the $8 million dollar ($4 million borrowed) Anderson Strength Center like a guy knocked overboard in the middle of the Pacific clinging to a piece of drift wood.
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None of K-State's recent facilities projects have translated into getting top recruits or winning national titles. K-State is just trying to keep pace with the rest of the programs in the league. Meanwhile, KU is setting a standard of excellence in college basketball and competing for the best players in the country. That's the main difference.
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None of K-State's recent facilities projects have translated into getting top recruits or winning national titles. K-State is just trying to keep pace with the rest of the programs in the league. Meanwhile, KU is setting a standard of excellence in college basketball and competing for the best players in the country. That's the main difference.
We have one of the best freshman in the country. :dubious:
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None of K-State's recent facilities projects have translated into getting top recruits or winning national titles. K-State is just trying to keep pace with the rest of the programs in the league. Meanwhile, KU is setting a standard of excellence in college basketball and competing for the best players in the country. That's the main difference.
We have one of the best freshman classes in the country. :dubious:
FYP
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A couple chicks I went to high school with lived in the Jayhawk Towers. Word on the street was that they hooked up with basketball players but maybe that was just talk. One was on that group of chicks that would tour recruits around.
One thing was true though, they seemed to fill the non-athlete portion of the towers with good looking girls.
KU is very, very good at the little things that mean a lot. I commend them.
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Beams, we just landed the top KS HS QB prospect of the last couple decades :dunno:
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There's a lot more to getting top recruits than dorm rooms and nice dressing rooms. I wish we did more of it.
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Landed Beasley and Walker and at least one of them is quite a bit better than Wiggins
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None of K-State's recent facilities projects have translated into getting top recruits or winning national titles. K-State is just trying to keep pace with the rest of the programs in the league. Meanwhile, KU is setting a standard of excellence in college basketball and competing for the best players in the country. That's the main difference.
and this is why we laugh at you. have fun while Dax measures you up for your next clown suit.
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ku athletics was so desperate to build a basketball dorm that it doesn't really need, that they were willing to try and get another department at ku to go into debt so they could build it.
Plus, there's no doubt if a couple of EMAW elite boosters (like the one that's about to hand over a huge check to K-State) stood up and said that they'd like K-State to have a penis envy basketball dorm (even though there's a $100 million dollar apartment complex right next door to the $20 million dollar basketball training facility which is just 200 yards away from the new gajillion dollar training table) that K-State would have a penis envy basketball dorm.
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Beams, we just landed the top KS HS QB prospect of the last couple decades :dunno:
I think your BBS'n work had more to do with that than facilities did, Pete. :love:
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None of K-State's recent facilities projects have translated into getting top recruits or winning national titles. K-State is just trying to keep pace with the rest of the programs in the league. Meanwhile, KU is setting a standard of excellence in college basketball and competing for the best players in the country. That's the main difference.
and this is why we laugh at you. have fun while Dax measures you up for your next clown suit.
When you have to rely on another poster to make your arguments for you, you've already lost.
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ku athletics was so desperate to build a basketball dorm that it doesn't really need, that they were willing to try and get another department at ku to go into debt so they could build it.
Plus, there's no doubt if a couple of EMAW elite boosters (like the one that's about to hand over a huge check to K-State) stood up and said that they'd like K-State to have a penis envy basketball dorm (even though there's a $100 million dollar apartment complex right next door to the $20 million dollar basketball training facility which is just 200 yards away from the new gajillion dollar training table) that K-State would have a penis envy basketball dorm.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Psss, ku housing, yeah, hey, we really want a basketball dorm, so could you guys like borrow $9-$10 million so we can build it.
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None of K-State's recent facilities projects have translated into getting top recruits or winning national titles. K-State is just trying to keep pace with the rest of the programs in the league. Meanwhile, KU is setting a standard of excellence in college basketball and competing for the best players in the country. That's the main difference.
and this is why we laugh at you. have fun while Dax measures you up for your next clown suit.
When you have to rely on another poster to make your arguments for you, you've already lost.
Yeah no. Plenty of people do well making fun of you. Its just great that Dax makes you look so foolish with hard numbers you can't "talking point" around. And just because I appreciate Dax and his knowledge doesn't mean I, or many others aren't capable of doing the same. It means we're having fun laughing at the mental gymnastics you have to contort your brain to in order to justify your arrogance. Dax lead on!
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So look, if we can get that non-profit organization, and the endowment fund, and the city, and that land developer to front us all the land and money, we'll sign a 50 year lease because otherwise we couldn't dream of being able to afford to do this.
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Dax for PRESIDENT! :ksu:
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So look, if we can get that non-profit organization, and the endowment fund, and the city, and that land developer to front us all the land and money, we'll sign a 50 year lease because otherwise we couldn't dream of being able to afford to do this.
Oh yeah but KSU will have to pay back their loans in CORN, AMIRITE GUYS! ZOMG hope there isn't a drought or you can't make your next payment! :Carl: :lol::Carl: :lol::Carl: :lol::Carl: :lol::Carl: :lol::Carl: :lol::Carl: :lol::Carl: :lol::Carl: :lol::Carl: :lol:
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None of K-State's recent facilities projects have translated into getting top recruits or winning national titles. K-State is just trying to keep pace with the rest of the programs in the league. Meanwhile, KU is setting a standard of excellence in college basketball and competing for the best players in the country. That's the main difference.
and this is why we laugh at you. have fun while Dax measures you up for your next clown suit.
When you have to rely on another poster to make your arguments for you, you've already lost.
Yeah no. Plenty of people do well making fun of you. Its just great that Dax makes you look so foolish with hard numbers you can't "talking point" around. And just because I appreciate Dax and his knowledge doesn't mean I, or many others aren't capable of doing the same. It means we're having fun laughing at the mental gymnastics you have to contort your brain to in order to justify your arrogance. Dax lead on!
So you appreciate anti-KU propaganda, incorrect information, and letting another person fight your battles for you. Sounds good.
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So look, if we can get that non-profit organization, and the endowment fund, and the city, and that land developer to front us all the land and money, we'll sign a 50 year lease because otherwise we couldn't dream of being able to afford to do this.
Except it's a 30-year lease that's being privately financed. KU didn't go into any debt building the Rock Chalk Sports Park, unlike K-State, who has over $83 million in long-term debt.
:ROFL:
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Total long-term debt for K-State athletics:
$83,340,903.03
:ksu:
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Total long-term debt for K-State athletics:
$83,340,903.03
:ksu:
Wish it was higher. Then we would have more cool stuff.
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None of K-State's recent facilities projects have translated into getting top recruits or winning national titles. K-State is just trying to keep pace with the rest of the programs in the league. Meanwhile, KU is setting a standard of excellence in college basketball and competing for the best players in the country. That's the main difference.
and this is why we laugh at you. have fun while Dax measures you up for your next clown suit.
When you have to rely on another poster to make your arguments for you, you've already lost.
Yeah no. Plenty of people do well making fun of you. Its just great that Dax makes you look so foolish with hard numbers you can't "talking point" around. And just because I appreciate Dax and his knowledge doesn't mean I, or many others aren't capable of doing the same. It means we're having fun laughing at the mental gymnastics you have to contort your brain to in order to justify your arrogance. Dax lead on!
So you appreciate anti-KU propaganda, incorrect information, and letting another person fight your battles for you. Sounds good.
2nd grade reading level much? You did exactly as I predicted. I asked you to specifically state where Dax was wrong, than I predicted you would resort to a talking point retort to duck answering the question....what do you know you're response.....(drum roll).......None of K-State's recent facilities projects have translated into getting top recruits or winning national titles. K-State is just trying to keep pace with the rest of the programs in the league. Meanwhile, KU is setting a standard of excellence in college basketball and competing for the best players in the country. That's the main difference.
Keep in mind I said titles too, wish over the last few years I think we've picked up a few in the Big 12. Oh and we have received national titles so that talking point is still void.
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So proud of K-State Athletics for taking on the full responsibility of building its athletic facilities rather than trying to get other departments on campus to go into debt. Heck K-State athletics has to get annual Student Senate approval to get $500K in student fees, while ku students have to fork over a compulsory $2 plus million a year from a rigged student election 5 years ago every time they write a check for tuition.
We can probably just chalk (pardon the pun) this little unveiling into the same basket as the Gridiron Club, how embarrassing, two failed projects over at ku, remember when you were bragging about this one Beems?
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None of K-State's recent facilities projects have translated into getting top recruits or winning national titles. K-State is just trying to keep pace with the rest of the programs in the league. Meanwhile, KU is setting a standard of excellence in college basketball and competing for the best players in the country. That's the main difference.
and this is why we laugh at you. have fun while Dax measures you up for your next clown suit.
When you have to rely on another poster to make your arguments for you, you've already lost.
Yeah no. Plenty of people do well making fun of you. Its just great that Dax makes you look so foolish with hard numbers you can't "talking point" around. And just because I appreciate Dax and his knowledge doesn't mean I, or many others aren't capable of doing the same. It means we're having fun laughing at the mental gymnastics you have to contort your brain to in order to justify your arrogance. Dax lead on!
So you appreciate anti-KU propaganda, incorrect information, and letting another person fight your battles for you. Sounds good.
2nd grade reading level much? You did exactly as I predicted. I asked you to specifically state where Dax was wrong, than I predicted you would resort to a talking point retort to duck answering the question....what do you know you're response.....(drum roll).......None of K-State's recent facilities projects have translated into getting top recruits or winning national titles. K-State is just trying to keep pace with the rest of the programs in the league. Meanwhile, KU is setting a standard of excellence in college basketball and competing for the best players in the country. That's the main difference.
Keep in mind I said titles too, wish over the last few years I think we've picked up a few in the Big 12. Oh and we have received national titles so that talking point is still void.
There's a 100% likelihood you haven't read any of my posts in this thread beyond this page. I specifically pointed out Dax's incorrect information multiple times over the course of this discussion. Oh and no K-State has never won a national title in any team sport. Sorry. Try again.
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There's a 100% likelihood you haven't read any of my posts in this thread beyond this page.
There is a 100% chance you're wrong.
By the way you still haven't corrected anything. Digging deeper.
wait I need to edit too!
By the way you still haven't corrected anything. Digging deeper.
And now with the extra astrix of TEAM sports. I'll email Erik Kynard and be sure to pass along your message of his accomplishment meaning nothing, hes a FPTC and a terrible, non-American Hero.
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There's a 100% likelihood you haven't read any of my posts in this thread beyond this page.
There is a 100% chance you're wrong.
By the way you still haven't corrected anything. Digging deeper.
Dax thought the Anderson Family Strength Center was built in '04. It was built in '02. Plus he's wrong and/or manipulating rhetoric in regards to the Rock Chalk Sports Park. It's a 30-year lease. Also, the $17 million luxury dorm is being privately financed, and yet, Dax is saying that in a hypothetical alternate universe that KU was begging for money from other departments. It's a bunch of anti-KU bullshit and you eat it up.
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There's a 100% likelihood you haven't read any of my posts in this thread beyond this page.
There is a 100% chance you're wrong.
By the way you still haven't corrected anything. Digging deeper.
Dax thought the Anderson Family Strength Center was built in '04. It was built in '02. Plus he's wrong and/or manipulating rhetoric in regards to the Rock Chalk Sports Park. It's a 30-year lease. Also, the $17 million luxury dorm is being privately financed, and yet, Dax is saying that in a hypothetical alternate universe that KU was begging for money from other departments. It's a bunch of anti-KU bullshit and you eat it up.
LOL, I was off by 2 years, in in the grand scheme of where college athletic facilities was going and had been in the late 90's and early 00's, an $8 million dollar project ($4 million borrowed) isn't that significant. As I said, ku completed exactly 1 major athletic facilities project between 1955 and 2008.
We've discussed the lease before, it is a 50 year lease, the first 30 years are set, the next 20 will be set at FMV.
ku athletics technically can't build a dorm, it has to be done under some other departments management. So if they're asking for bonding, it has to be bonded under the controlling department.
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:users: :users: (ftp://:users: :users:)
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yeah Beems if your entire justification of Dax being wrong is built on a two year error..... :whistle1: :thumbsup:
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Pad's just butthurt that K-State will never approach ten straight Big 12 titles or anything close to the amount of excellence that KU has achieved in the past couple of decades with Roy and Bill. K-State had to go $83+ million in long-term debt just to give its fanbase something to feel good about. Sad.
:rolleyes:
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As an observer who wants to hear all sides of this debate, it is technically one person's word against the other without hard facts. Personally I feel like it is all skewed unless you have real connections withing the department handling it. That all being said, I am pretty TSC in my heart and I love that both schools are bringing prestige to the national athletics stage. It only bothers me that because KSU is younger in its "tradition richness" it should be looked down upon. I don't hear fans in lawrence humbly admitting that their program is worthless compared to the longer storied basketball programs outside the state of Kansas.
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As an observer who wants to hear all sides of this debate, it is technically one person's word against the other without hard facts. Personally I feel like it is all skewed unless you have real connections withing the department handling it. That all being said, I am pretty TSC in my heart and I love that both schools are bringing prestige to the national athletics stage. It only bothers me that because KSU is younger in its "tradition richness" it should be looked down upon. I don't hear fans in lawrence humbly admitting that their program is worthless compared to the longer storied basketball programs outside the state of Kansas.
Pro tip in these threads. Dax uses KBOR University disclosures as 'batin' material. Beems knows the numbers phog posts, which are largely based on rumor and conjecture and the occasional fact.
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All of my information comes from financial statements and articles that provide the numbers for KU's recent facilities projects.
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Pad's just butthurt that K-State will never approach ten straight Big 12 titles or anything close to the amount of excellence that KU has achieved in the past couple of decades with Roy and Bill. K-State had to go $83+ million in long-term debt just to give its fanbase something to feel good about. Sad.
:rolleyes:
K-State has millions in bond reserve funds to help pay for the debt, and ku still has nearly $50 million dollars in long term debt, including a $6 million dollar note on the Anderson Football Center that's been out there for 6 years now. ku can't even pay off a zero percent interest promissory note! ku hasn't paid one dime towards that note.
How many times do we need to acknowledge that ku is good in basketball, how many times do I and others have to affirm and validate that ku basketball is good Beems?
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Long term lease that you have to pay =/= debt, I guess.
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Its a 50 year land lease. Some other entities will own the structure. KuAd will own nothing and rent it,just like an apartment.
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Awaiting beems next nuclear meltdown (https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sherv.net%2Fcm%2Femoticons%2Fhorror%2Fscared-smiley-emoticon.gif&hash=deef2f9985bd4aeb8ef9bded6a3898a0c1f847c1)
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Pretty sure day one of business school is about using leverage properly, and in the right equity ratio. 83 million in long-term debt means nothing to me, hell it may be not nearly enough. It's probably no where near where it should be if this was a for-profit business. Looks like to me KU has no rough ridin' clue how to use leverage.
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Pad's just butthurt that K-State will never approach ten straight Big 12 titles or anything close to the amount of excellence that KU has achieved in the past couple of decades with Roy and Bill. K-State had to go $83+ million in long-term debt just to give its fanbase something to feel good about. Sad.
:rolleyes:
Beems, this is an honest question so please answer truthfully. How many bball titles would you give up for a football title? The last 10? Just 5 of them? I'm curious.
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You have to have millions in hand, and show that you're going to generate millions more, before the KBOR, State and KDFA will even allow you to sell millions of dollars in bonds.
WSC (Master Plan Phase II) Total Price Tag: $86.75 million, but K-State only issued $53 million in bonds. Over $30 million out of pocket for K-State athletics. That out of pocket would have paid for the entirety of the Anderson Football Complex, a project that ku had to borrow millions for in order to complete.
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Oh, I see... I think I finally understand what you're trying to tell us, 'Pad. K-State's $83+ million in long term debt is a sign of financial strength, while KU's $49 million in long-term debt is a sign of weakness. Got it.
:thumbsup:
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Making statements in a vacuum is fun.
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Oh, I see... I think I finally understand what you're trying to tell us, 'Pad. K-State's $83+ million in long term debt is a sign of financial strength, while KU's $49 million in long-term debt is a sign of weakness. Got it.
:thumbsup:
LOL, not true Captain Butthurt.
Hey now that I think about it, the out of pocket portion of the WSC by itself would be the largest cash funded facilities project in KBOR School History, and to think, there's a good chance K-State will soon announce a cash funded project that may dwarf that $33 million out of pocket.
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Oh, I see... I think I finally understand what you're trying to tell us, 'Pad. K-State's $83+ million in long term debt is a sign of financial strength, while KU's $49 million in long-term debt is a sign of weakness. Got it.
:thumbsup:
LOL, not true Captain Butthurt.
Hey now that I think about it, the out of pocket portion of the WSC by itself would be the largest cash funded facilities project in KBOR School History, and to think, there's a good chance K-State will soon announce a cash funded project that may dwarf that $33 million out of pocket.
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Kstate athletics is out performing ku's. I don't think there is a ton of dispute there.
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Kstate athletics is out performing ku's. I don't think there is a ton of dispute there.
There's plenty of dispute if you prioritize winning conference titles, Final Fours, and national championships.
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Kstate athletics is out performing ku's. I don't think there is a ton of dispute there.
Athletics: Titletown. Good at all three men's sports, including national title contender in most important sport in college athletics.
Academics: More Kansas high school seniors choose K-State than any other university in the state. Among Kansas public universities, K-State has the highest percentage of freshmen who return their sophomore year. Highest main-campus enrollment in state. Record Spring enrollment, continuing trend of growth. NBAF arriving to make K-State #1 agriculture university in the country.
City: MHK is fastest growing metro area in the state. Riley is in top-20 counties in the nation for economic growth, the only one in Kansas. One of top 15 fastest growing cities in America.
Good time to be a Wildcat. KU has good stuff too, keep your head up.
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Celebrate good times, oh yeah!!!! :billdance: :ksu: :emawkid:
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Kstate athletics is out performing ku's. I don't think there is a ton of dispute there.
There's plenty of dispute if you prioritize winning conference titles, Final Fours, and national championships.
Your football and baseball programs are a shambles to an humiliating extent.
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Beas, Walker, Brown Bros, Harper, Brod Smith, Delton
Man we have been raking
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Kstate athletics is out performing ku's. I don't think there is a ton of dispute there.
Athletics: Titletown. Good at all three men's sports, including national title contender in most important sport in college athletics.
Academics: More Kansas high school seniors choose K-State than any other university in the state. Among Kansas public universities, K-State has the highest percentage of freshmen who return their sophomore year. Highest main-campus enrollment in state. Record Spring enrollment, continuing trend of growth. NBAF arriving to make K-State #1 agriculture university in the country.
City: MHK is fastest growing metro area in the state. Riley is in top-20 counties in the nation for economic growth, the only one in Kansas. One of top 15 fastest growing cities in America.
Good time to be a Wildcat. KU has good stuff too, keep your head up.
:D
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Kstate athletics is out performing ku's. I don't think there is a ton of dispute there.
Athletics: Titletown. Good at all three men's sports, including national title contender in most important sport in college athletics.
Academics: More Kansas high school seniors choose K-State than any other university in the state. Among Kansas public universities, K-State has the highest percentage of freshmen who return their sophomore year. Highest main-campus enrollment in state. Record Spring enrollment, continuing trend of growth. NBAF arriving to make K-State #1 agriculture university in the country.
City: MHK is fastest growing metro area in the state. Riley is in top-20 counties in the nation for economic growth, the only one in Kansas. One of top 15 fastest growing cities in America.
Good time to be a Wildcat. KU has good stuff too, keep your head up.
You also left out K-state becoming the most diverse campus in Kansas, expansion of university assets at a high rate, and University being top 10 happiest in the nation :)
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Kstate athletics is out performing ku's. I don't think there is a ton of dispute there.
There's plenty of dispute if you prioritize winning conference titles, Final Fours, and national championships.
Your football and baseball programs are a shambles to an humiliating extent.
The baseball program is undefeated this season and finished at the top of the Big 12 last year. K-State is 1-7 and at the bottom of the league right now.
:ROFL:
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The baseball program is undefeated this season and finished at the top of the Big 12 last year.
Wut? KU finished 6th in a 9 team league, which is factually not at the top. Factually, at the top would be #1 seed and outright champion K-State.
You are correct that KU is undefeated this season. Keep your head up.
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:lol:
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bbs angry, beems. Works for the shocks.
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women's team smoked the ladyhawks last night on tv, was hilarious to watch the delicious tears flow down the loserhawks faces as they left their home court in defeat. depression much, ladyhawk? what a joke that place has become.
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Average conference finish in the men's revenue sports last season:
KU: 5.6 (factually, below average)
K-State: 1 (factually, the best)
Keep your head up.
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jfc, CC I take back all the bad things I ever said about you :love:
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Kstate athletics is out performing ku's. I don't think there is a ton of dispute there.
Athletics: Titletown. Good at all three men's sports, including national title contender in most important sport in college athletics.
Academics: More Kansas high school seniors choose K-State than any other university in the state. Among Kansas public universities, K-State has the highest percentage of freshmen who return their sophomore year. Highest main-campus enrollment in state. Record Spring enrollment, continuing trend of growth. NBAF arriving to make K-State #1 agriculture university in the country.
City: MHK is fastest growing metro area in the state. Riley is in top-20 counties in the nation for economic growth, the only one in Kansas. One of top 15 fastest growing cities in America.
Good time to be a Wildcat. KU has good stuff too, keep your head up.
Hilarious. You cite a bunch of K-State propaganda that always comes with a qualifier next to it. Example: "Highest main-campus enrollment in the state."
Meanwhile, at the Mecca...
Athletics: Ten straight Big 12 titles. This single-handedly eclipses anything K-State has accomplished in the history of its athletic department. K-State's last Final Four appearance was 1964... KU's: 2012. K-State's last national title in a team sport - never.... KU's: 2013.
Academics: Highest ranked university in the state. Largest university in the state. Highest academic standards in the state. More professors and faculty members than any university in the state. More grad and undergrad programs than any other university in the state. Raised over a billion dollars for the Far Above campaign since '08.
City: Lawrence is twice the size of Manhattan and has everything Manhattan wishes it had: diversity, culture, art, music, tradition, Mass Street, etc, etc. New buildings and lofts are going up all over the city. A study from lumosity showed that Lawrence has the highest collective IQ of any city in the state of Kansas. It is the home of Naismith, Hughes, and the wang burger.
Enough said.
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Remember kids, just a few short years ago, Beems was over here posting pictures of the Gridiron Club (RIP), on campus Olympic Village (RIP) and telling us that ku was destroying K-State athletics in every possible way. Lew was "building a monster", K-state "was going to get hammered by the NCAA", and K-State athletics was "in a shambles".
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ladyhawks on home court versus k-state women: 0 wins in 2014 :lol:
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Bragging about high academic standards at a school that accepts 93% of its applicants is quite humorous.
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Jesus, beems. Tap out!
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Remember kids, just a few short years ago, Beems was over here posting pictures of the Gridiron Club (RIP), on campus Olympic Village (RIP) and telling us that ku was destroying K-State athletics in every possible way. Lew was "building a monster", K-state "was going to get hammered by the NCAA", and K-State athletics was "in a shambles".
KU:
'08 BCS Bowl
'08 national championship
'12 Final Four
'13 national championship
'13 Big 12 title
'13 Big 12 title
'05-'14 ten straight conference titles in hoops
KSU:
'13 BCS Bowl
'13 Big 12 shared title
'13 Big 12 shared title
'13 Big 12 title
$83 million in long-term debt
:ROFL:
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Bragging about high academic standards at a school that accepts 93% of its applicants is quite humorous.
It really is. Some of the dumbest people I know went to KU.
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Bragging about diversity in a town that's 83% White is quite humorous.
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Average conference finish in the men's revenue sports last season:
KU: 5.6 (factually, below average)
K-State: 1 (factually, the best)
Keep your head up.
Always with the qualifiers. I love it.
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Average conference finish in the men's revenue sports last season:
KU: 5.6 (factually, below average)
K-State: 1 (factually, the best)
Keep your head up.
Always with the qualifiers. I love it.
:love: :love: :love:
yes and 08 was a long ass time ago. What's your point?
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Bragging about diversity in a town that's 83% White is quite humorous.
Wrong again.
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The baseball program is undefeated this season and finished at the top of the Big 12 last year.
Wut? KU finished 6th in a 9 team league, which is factually not at the top. Factually, at the top would be #1 seed and outright champion K-State.
You are correct that KU is undefeated this season. Keep your head up.
Just want to reiterate these posts.
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ku: 2 defunct major facilities projects, asking other departments on campus to take on debt to build facilities for athletics, using local government funds and local non-profit largess to build another.
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:lol: at beems for noting our "shared titles", but not doing it for KU.
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Bragging about diversity in a town that's 83% White is quite humorous.
Wrong again.
2010 Census:
The racial makeup of the city was 82.0% White, 4.7% African American, 3.1% Native American, 4.5% Asian, 0.1% Pacific Islander, 1.5% from other races, and 4.1% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 5.7% of the population.
What was wrong about that? :confused:
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The baseball program is undefeated this season and finished at the top of the Big 12 last year.
Wut? KU finished 6th in a 9 team league, which is factually not at the top. Factually, at the top would be #1 seed and outright champion K-State.
You are correct that KU is undefeated this season. Keep your head up.
KU finished 1 game out of 3rd place and lost to OU in the Big 12 tournament championship game. Finished the season with the 4th best overall record in the league. Anything else butthurt boy?
(insert "keep your head up" sign off here)
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ku: 2 defunct major facilities projects, asking other departments on campus to take on debt to build facilities for athletics, using local government funds and local non-profit largess to build another.
Lying and/or living in an alternate universe again. Sad.
:rolleyes:
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The baseball program is undefeated this season and finished at the top of the Big 12 last year.
Wut? KU finished 6th in a 9 team league, which is factually not at the top. Factually, at the top would be #1 seed and outright champion K-State.
You are correct that KU is undefeated this season. Keep your head up.
KU finished 1 game out of 3rd place and lost to OU in the Big 12 tournament championship game. Finished the season with the 4th best overall record in the league. Anything else butthurt boy?
(insert "keep your head up" sign off here)
You are a liar.
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Bragging about diversity in a town that's 83% White is quite humorous.
Wrong again.
2010 Census:
The racial makeup of the city was 82.0% White, 4.7% African American, 3.1% Native American, 4.5% Asian, 0.1% Pacific Islander, 1.5% from other races, and 4.1% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 5.7% of the population.
What was wrong about that? :confused:
Figure it out for yourself. The answer is in your post.
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The baseball program is undefeated this season and finished at the top of the Big 12 last year.
Wut? KU finished 6th in a 9 team league, which is factually not at the top. Factually, at the top would be #1 seed and outright champion K-State.
You are correct that KU is undefeated this season. Keep your head up.
KU finished 1 game out of 3rd place and lost to OU in the Big 12 tournament championship game. Finished the season with the 4th best overall record in the league. Anything else butthurt boy?
(insert "keep your head up" sign off here)
oh my god
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The baseball program is undefeated this season and finished at the top of the Big 12 last year.
Wut? KU finished 6th in a 9 team league, which is factually not at the top. Factually, at the top would be #1 seed and outright champion K-State.
You are correct that KU is undefeated this season. Keep your head up.
KU finished 1 game out of 3rd place and lost to OU in the Big 12 tournament championship game. Finished the season with the 4th best overall record in the league. Anything else butthurt boy?
(insert "keep your head up" sign off here)
You are a liar.
Nope. Just stating some good ol' hard facts.
http://www.big12sports.com/standings/Standings.dbml?SPID=13131&DB_OEM_ID=10410&DEF_FY=2012 (http://www.big12sports.com/standings/Standings.dbml?SPID=13131&DB_OEM_ID=10410&DEF_FY=2012)
Congrats on K-State's 1-7 start to the baseball season. Keep your head up.
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Hey I was off by 1%, highly "diverse" Lawrence is 1% below the Kansas Avg for whites in demographic make-up.
But remember, phogites consider white kids from Chicago suburbs who couldn't get into Big 10 schools "diversity".
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6th place! Top of the Big 12! :Woot:
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Your marriage will never work if you lie consistently like this. :frown:
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The baseball program is undefeated this season and finished at the top of the Big 12 last year.
Wut? KU finished 6th in a 9 team league, which is factually not at the top. Factually, at the top would be #1 seed and outright champion K-State.
You are correct that KU is undefeated this season. Keep your head up.
KU finished 1 game out of 3rd place and lost to OU in the Big 12 tournament championship game. Finished the season with the 4th best overall record in the league. Anything else butthurt boy?
(insert "keep your head up" sign off here)
You are a liar.
Nope. Just stating some good ol' hard facts.
http://www.big12sports.com/standings/Standings.dbml?SPID=13131&DB_OEM_ID=10410&DEF_FY=2012 (http://www.big12sports.com/standings/Standings.dbml?SPID=13131&DB_OEM_ID=10410&DEF_FY=2012)
Congrats on K-State's 1-7 start to the baseball season. Keep your head up.
Looks like a 6th place finish to me but go ahead and hang a banner for finishing one game out of third place. Hey guys we were one game from playing in the national championship two years ago, WHERE'S OUR TROPHY!!!???
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The baseball program is undefeated this season and finished at the top of the Big 12 last year.
Wut? KU finished 6th in a 9 team league, which is factually not at the top. Factually, at the top would be #1 seed and outright champion K-State.
You are correct that KU is undefeated this season. Keep your head up.
KU finished 1 game out of 3rd place and lost to OU in the Big 12 tournament championship game. Finished the season with the 4th best overall record in the league. Anything else butthurt boy?
(insert "keep your head up" sign off here)
You are a liar.
Nope. Just stating some good ol' hard facts.
http://www.big12sports.com/standings/Standings.dbml?SPID=13131&DB_OEM_ID=10410&DEF_FY=2012 (http://www.big12sports.com/standings/Standings.dbml?SPID=13131&DB_OEM_ID=10410&DEF_FY=2012)
Congrats on K-State's 1-7 start to the baseball season. Keep your head up.
Beems, your team tied for 6th in the league. That is what was stated. That is not "Top of the Big 12" as you specifically stated.
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The baseball program is undefeated this season and finished at the top of the Big 12 last year.
Wut? KU finished 6th in a 9 team league, which is factually not at the top. Factually, at the top would be #1 seed and outright champion K-State.
You are correct that KU is undefeated this season. Keep your head up.
KU finished 1 game out of 3rd place and lost to OU in the Big 12 tournament championship game. Finished the season with the 4th best overall record in the league. Anything else butthurt boy?
(insert "keep your head up" sign off here)
oh my god
OU finished 3rd at 13-11. KU was 6th at 12-12. KU had the 4th best overall record in the conference and played OU in the conference tournament championship game.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Big_12_Conference_Baseball_Tournament (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Big_12_Conference_Baseball_Tournament)
KU is undefeated this year and is a much better overall program than K-State. Hate to break it to you.
:dunno:
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Awesome, I can now say that any K-State upper half of the conference finish in any sport is really "finishing at the top".
So in 2011-2012 hoops, K-State's 5th place finish is now re-classified as "at the top of the conference" :billdance:
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Kstate has been finishing at the top of the Big 12 in pretty much everything forever. rough ridin' A, this is pretty big
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K-State hoops has been an above average, top half of the Big 12 program. No doubt.
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K-State hoops has been an above average, top half of the Big 12 program. No doubt.
Every program we have has been finishing at the top. If you count appearing in the standing as "finishing at the top"
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I must have been taught wrong but wouldn't finishing 6th out of 9 teams be considered the lower 3rd?
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The baseball program is undefeated this season and finished at the top of the Big 12 last year.
Wut? KU finished 6th in a 9 team league, which is factually not at the top. Factually, at the top would be #1 seed and outright champion K-State.
You are correct that KU is undefeated this season. Keep your head up.
KU finished 1 game out of 3rd place and lost to OU in the Big 12 tournament championship game. Finished the season with the 4th best overall record in the league. Anything else butthurt boy?
(insert "keep your head up" sign off here)
oh my god
OU finished 3rd at 13-11. KU was 6th at 12-12. KU had the 4th best overall record in the conference and played OU in the conference tournament championship game.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Big_12_Conference_Baseball_Tournament (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Big_12_Conference_Baseball_Tournament)
KU is undefeated this year and is a much better overall program than K-State. Hate to break it to you.
:dunno:
"much better overall program" really? Isn't that like trying to watch old people eat steak. ku hasn't won a regular season conference championship in baseball since 1947. Both schools have the exact same number of NCAA tourney appearences, and yes, ku has 1 college WS appearence 22 years ago. That's your definition of "much better overall" :lol:
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I must have been taught wrong but wouldn't finishing 6th out of 9 teams be considered the lower 3rd?
Nope, at the top.
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6th place! Top of the Big 12! :Woot:
1 game out of 3rd tho
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I must have been taught wrong but wouldn't finishing 6th out of 9 teams be considered the lower 3rd?
Nope, at the top.
cool, so how far do we go back and collect all of our helms?
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Ultimately this is why their football and baseball programs are such huge failures. They think they are actually winning. It's like Charlie Sheen when he got fired from TAAHM
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Okay, if you want to argue semantics and focus on one vague comment about KU baseball, go ahead. They had the 4th best overall record of any team in the league last year and performed well in the Big 12 tourney. They're undefeated this year. It's not a program that's "in shambles" like the butthurt squad tried to claim.
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Ultimately this is why their football and baseball programs are such huge failures. They think they are actually winning. It's like Charlie Sheen when he got fired from TAAHM
Your entire athletic department is a failure. Zero national titles in the history of the school. KU baseball is undefeated while K-State is 1-7, clown boy.
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Okay, if you want to argue semantics and focus on one vague comment about KU baseball, go ahead. They had the 4th best overall record of any team in the league last year and performed well in the Big 12 tourney. They're undefeated this year. It's not a program that's "in shambles" like the butthurt squad tried to claim.
congrats on your continued success!
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Pretty proud of K-State Football this last year, finishing "at the top" of the conference, only 2 games shy of creating a 4 way tie for 2nd.
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Ultimately this is why their football and baseball programs are such huge failures. They think they are actually winning. It's like Charlie Sheen when he got fired from TAAHM
Your entire athletic department is a failure. Zero national titles in the history of the school. KU baseball is undefeated while K-State is 1-7, clown boy.
1 win puts us just out of the top spot of the league
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Thing about overall records is that it doesn't rough ridin' matter when deciding a conference champ. #TheMoreYouKnow
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#tentheredonethat
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#tentheredonethat
1 regular season conference championship in a men's sport other than basketball in the last 31 years.
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#tentheredonethat
1 regular season conference championship in a men's sport other than basketball in the last 31 years.
So many qualifiers.
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Ultimately this is why their football and baseball programs are such huge failures. They think they are actually winning. It's like Charlie Sheen when he got fired from TAAHM
Your entire athletic department is a failure. Zero national titles in the history of the school. KU baseball is undefeated while K-State is 1-7, clown boy.
congrats on your 6th place finish last year. I'd be angry too.
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real conferences have real tie-breakers. if the ACC had the same lethargic tie breaker rule as the b12, duke would have 14 in a row and there certainly wouldn't be t-shirts made about it. #lethargy
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Ultimately this is why their football and baseball programs are such huge failures. They think they are actually winning. It's like Charlie Sheen when he got fired from TAAHM
Your entire athletic department is a failure. Zero national titles in the history of the school. KU baseball is undefeated while K-State is 1-7, clown boy.
congrats on your 6th place finish last year. I'd be angry too.
Thanks. Congrats on 1-7 and zero national titles in the history of the school.
:ksu:
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Jesus can we move this thread to the combo fanning board?
Beems can't make up his mind on what sport he wants to lie about anymore
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Go take a nap, beems. Sheesh.
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Ultimately this is why their football and baseball programs are such huge failures. They think they are actually winning. It's like Charlie Sheen when he got fired from TAAHM
Your entire athletic department is a failure. Zero national titles in the history of the school. KU baseball is undefeated while K-State is 1-7, clown boy.
congrats on your 6th place finish last year. I'd be angry too.
Thanks. Congrats on 1-7 and zero national titles in the history of the school.
:ksu:
keep your head up bro. I know it isn't easy
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Athletics: Ten straight Big 12 titles. This single-handedly eclipses anything K-State has accomplished in the history of its athletic department. K-State's last Final Four appearance was 1964... KU's: 2012. K-State's last national title in a team sport - never.... KU's: 2013.
I am not surprised you think MBB trumps everything else. #GoodAtOneSport. As noted, K-State has a national title contending team in the most important sport in college athletics, and added conference champion teams in the other two just for fun. Yes, you have a very good MBB team. Keep your head up.
Academics: Highest ranked university in the state. Largest university in the state. Highest academic standards in the state. More professors and faculty members than any university in the state. More grad and undergrad programs than any other university in the state. Raised over a billion dollars for the Far Above campaign since '08.
If enrollment numbers continue at the same rate they have for the last 8 semesters at both schools, K-State will have a larger overall enrollment than KU within 4 years. Factually. KU Med is the only thing keeping KU out in front in enrollment figures currently. Yes, KU is highly ranked in several fields and has raised a lot of $ in the last 6 years. Keep your head up.
City: Lawrence is twice the size of Manhattan and has everything Manhattan wishes it had: diversity, culture, art, music, tradition, Mass Street, etc, etc. New buildings and lofts are going up all over the city. A study from lumosity showed that Lawrence has the highest collective IQ of any city in the state of Kansas. It is the home of Naismith, Hughes, and the wang burger.
Lawrence has 30K more people living there (Lawrence 89,512; Manhattan 56,069) Not twice the size. Manhattan metro area added nearly 10,000 people last year, Lawrence area added less than 2,000. That's nearly four times more growth. Yes, Luminosity results from online IQ tests reflected well for Lawrence. Keep your head up.
#AtTheTop
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OMG KU FINISHED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BIG 12 IN BASEBALL LAST YEAR AND BEEMS SAID THEY WERE AT THE TOP AND I'M GOING TO CALL HIM A LIAR EVEN THOUGH HE WAS JUST REFERRING TO THEIR OVERALL BODY OF WORK AND THEIR OVERALL RECORD. GO CATS!
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This is the best meltdown in awhile. #Titletown doing work
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GO CATS!
:ksu:
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Keep your head up!
:excited:
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OMG KU FINISHED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BIG 12 IN BASEBALL LAST YEAR AND BEEMS SAID THEY WERE AT THE TOP AND I'M GOING TO CALL HIM A LIAR EVEN THOUGH HE WAS JUST REFERRING TO THEIR OVERALL BODY OF WORK AND THEIR OVERALL RECORD. GO CATS!
:ksu:
lol
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overall body of work tho
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We're about to hit 8000, Mt. Beemsuvius Rising!!
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I will most assuredly keep my head up when wranglin' sheep and farm humping this season.
I suggest you all do the same
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I will most assuredly keep my head up when wranglin' sheep and farm humping this season.
I suggest you all do the same
Hayseeds gonna hayseed.
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Beems you are a lunatic. Seek help. Seriously.
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I will most assuredly keep my head up when wranglin' sheep and farm humping this season.
I suggest you all do the same
Hayseeds gonna hayseed.
easy GRAPE!
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Beems you are a lunatic. Seek help. Seriously.
Keep your head up.
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I will most assuredly keep my head up when wranglin' sheep and farm humping this season.
I suggest you all do the same
Hayseeds gonna hayseed.
'Taters gonna 'tater
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Athletics: Ten straight Big 12 titles. This single-handedly eclipses anything K-State has accomplished in the history of its athletic department. K-State's last Final Four appearance was 1964... KU's: 2012. K-State's last national title in a team sport - never.... KU's: 2013.
I am not surprised you think MBB trumps everything else. #GoodAtOneSport. As noted, K-State has a national title contending team in the most important sport in college athletics, and added conference champion teams in the other two just for fun. Yes, you have a very good MBB team. Keep your head up.
Academics: Highest ranked university in the state. Largest university in the state. Highest academic standards in the state. More professors and faculty members than any university in the state. More grad and undergrad programs than any other university in the state. Raised over a billion dollars for the Far Above campaign since '08.
If enrollment numbers continue at the same rate they have for the last 8 semesters at both schools, K-State will have a larger overall enrollment than KU within 4 years. Factually. KU Med is the only thing keeping KU out in front in enrollment figures currently. Yes, KU is highly ranked in several fields and has raised a lot of $ in the last 6 years. Keep your head up.
City: Lawrence is twice the size of Manhattan and has everything Manhattan wishes it had: diversity, culture, art, music, tradition, Mass Street, etc, etc. New buildings and lofts are going up all over the city. A study from lumosity showed that Lawrence has the highest collective IQ of any city in the state of Kansas. It is the home of Naismith, Hughes, and the wang burger.
Lawrence has 30K more people living there (Lawrence 89,512; Manhattan 56,069) Not twice the size. Manhattan metro area added nearly 10,000 people last year, Lawrence area added less than 2,000. That's nearly four times more growth. Yes, Luminosity results from online IQ tests reflected well for Lawrence. Keep your head up.
#AtTheTop
Beems got a 180 on an online IQ test... Which would put him in the Top 0.00003% of all people on earth, or the 99.99997th percentile; 3/10,000,000; IQ 175 ?=15 / 180 ?=16; +5?, if you prefer.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/High_IQ_society
I'm just not sure everybody realized what type of savant we are battling here.
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Only one western omelet away from 3rd place in the deluxe breakfast standings!
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Only one western omelet away from 3rd place in the deluxe breakfast standings!
Only 1B bed bugs away from 3rd place in low end motel rankings!
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Well that was a great meltdown read
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Got a tour of the Rock Chalk Sports Park today Reply
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And if any of you haven't been following the construction stories coming out of Lawrence, boy they're hilarious. First off the entire KU Athletics and KU Endowment Association portions of the construction were issued on no bid contracts to a local real estate/construction magnate. There have been multiple articles in the paper here stating that the work that this contractor has done is not up to code, specifically the concrete being too thin in places.
So fast forward to today while out on site my guide tells me that there are places in the concrete for the stands that are so thin that you can literally punch through them with your bare hand. To my untrained eye it looked as if the structure is already under considerable strain, and they haven't even finished construction yet.
This thing could literally fall apart and kill someone if/when it ever gets filled to capacity
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I really liked when Beems made fun of K-State for having a better facilities because they cost more money.
"Hey bro, sweet mansion. How much of your mortgage do you have to pay off still, LIKE THREE MILLION DOLLARS!?!?! :lol: :lol: :lol: "
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Guys, this thread has gotten uncomfortably pathetic and strange. Like, there's enough here that you could make a strong case there's something clinically wrong in BMW's mind. I'm not joking, this is quite concerning.
I think the mods should strongly consider locking this thread before something bad happens IRL.
:(
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If Beems is this persistent and resilient in all aspects of his life. I take my hat of to the guy. Taking punches and keeps coming back. He's the Rocky Balboa of message boarding. I wish you well and hope you put this much energy into your personal and professional life. You will go far!
:D :tsc:
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Where did this come from?
Got a tour of the Rock Chalk Sports Park today Reply
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And if any of you haven't been following the construction stories coming out of Lawrence, boy they're hilarious. First off the entire KU Athletics and KU Endowment Association portions of the construction were issued on no bid contracts to a local real estate/construction magnate. There have been multiple articles in the paper here stating that the work that this contractor has done is not up to code, specifically the concrete being too thin in places.
So fast forward to today while out on site my guide tells me that there are places in the concrete for the stands that are so thin that you can literally punch through them with your bare hand. To my untrained eye it looked as if the structure is already under considerable strain, and they haven't even finished construction yet.
This thing could literally fall apart and kill someone if/when it ever gets filled to capacity
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I really liked when Beems made fun of K-State for having a better facilities because they cost more money.
"Hey bro, sweet mansion. How much of your mortgage do you have to pay off still, LIKE THREE MILLION DOLLARS!?!?! :lol: :lol: :lol: "
lmao sure they have an $83 million dollar building but they have $50 million in outstanding debt on it, losers, lmbo
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Where did this come from?
Got a tour of the Rock Chalk Sports Park today Reply
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And if any of you haven't been following the construction stories coming out of Lawrence, boy they're hilarious. First off the entire KU Athletics and KU Endowment Association portions of the construction were issued on no bid contracts to a local real estate/construction magnate. There have been multiple articles in the paper here stating that the work that this contractor has done is not up to code, specifically the concrete being too thin in places.
So fast forward to today while out on site my guide tells me that there are places in the concrete for the stands that are so thin that you can literally punch through them with your bare hand. To my untrained eye it looked as if the structure is already under considerable strain, and they haven't even finished construction yet.
This thing could literally fall apart and kill someone if/when it ever gets filled to capacity
gopo
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Kirk H. Schulz ?@kstate_pres 4m
This morning we are excited to announce a $60M gift to K-State - the largest personal gift in our history! Happy Friday at Kansas State!
:kstategrad:
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Holy crap just caught up on this thread....what a read.
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FOR RELEASE: Largest private gift in K-State history to benefit Manhattan and Salina campuses
Kansas State University President Kirk Schulz announced today that the Jack Vanier family has made a gift of $60 million - the largest private donation in the history of K-State. The gift provides $40 million to benefit students, faculty, programs and facilities on both the Manhattan and Salina campuses, and $20 million for Phase III of the LHC Bill Snyder Family Stadium master plan.
"We will go ahead and pay cash for that"
:gocho:
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ok so someone mentioned mortgages in this thread. I know this is probably a stupid question and you guys are gonna make fun of me probably but whats a mortgage? is it like a food stamp type thing?
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SUCK IT, BEEMS! :billdance:
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Holy crap
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SUCK IT, BEEMS! :billdance:
he gone
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I don't think we'll see beems again for a while :frown:
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what if Anschutz gives $60,000,001? :surprised:
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FOR RELEASE: Largest private gift in K-State history to benefit Manhattan and Salina campuses
Kansas State University President Kirk Schulz announced today that the Jack Vanier family has made a gift of $60 million - the largest private donation in the history of K-State. The gift provides $40 million to benefit students, faculty, programs and facilities on both the Manhattan and Salina campuses, and $20 million for Phase III of the LHC Bill Snyder Family Stadium master plan.
"We will go ahead and pay cash for that"
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I don't think we'll see beems again for a while :frown:
Good post... Hopefully, the irony in having this discussion literally the day(s) leading up to the donation is lost on as few as possible.
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It's been like two weeks since the budget committee blocked the bond request, and KU already has a private donor financing phase 1 of the project. K-State would be holding a bakesale and praying to God that one of its fans won the lottery if it was in the same situation.
Man, just wait until Friday's announcement...
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Congrats fellas. Unlike the butthurt brigade, my #1 goal in life is not to disparage and make fun of K-State when they get nice things.
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Congrats fellas. Unlike the butthurt brigade, my #1 goal in life is not to disparage and make fun of K-State when they get nice things.
but if it's number 6 then its in your upper half of your goals right?
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We could build a bigger badder basketball dorm than anything KU can afford in straight cash homie. Instead we are doing the smart thing and investing it in a sport that actually makes money. Feels good :kstategrad:
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It's been like two weeks since the budget committee blocked the bond request, and KU already has a private donor financing phase 1 of the project. K-State would be holding a bakesale and praying to God that one of its fans won the lottery if it was in the same situation.
Man, just wait until Friday's announcement...
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:surprised: :love: :Woohoo:
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K-State would need to relocate the stadium and remove the harley track in order to make a splash. Let's hope they can get it done with $20 mil.
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K-State would need to relocate the stadium and remove the harley track in order to make a splash. Let's hope they can get it done with $20 mil.
haha, "harley track" is actually in phase IV iirc.
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K-State would need to relocate the stadium and remove the harley track in order to make a splash. Let's hope they can get it done with $20 mil.
haha, "harley track" is actually in phase IV iirc.
yep:
Limestone Field Wall and Field Perimeter Surface Upgrades
The existing concrete field level seating wall and surface pavement has deteriorated. The installation of a hewn limestone wall at the lower bowl of the football stadium will surround the field with the heritage of the K-State campus to the stadium and tie into the façade of the new north end zone Vanier Complex.
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K-State would need to relocate the stadium and remove the harley track in order to make a splash. Let's hope they can get it done with $20 mil.
butt hurt beaker snarf snarf
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So phase 3 is getting the football complex on par with the rest of the Big 12? Huge news for EMAW.
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So phase 3 is getting the football complex on par with the rest of the Big 12? Huge news for EMAW.
YOU HAVE A TRACK AROUND YOUR FIELD AND A PRESS BOX THE SIZE OF A 3A HIGH SCHOOLS
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So phase 3 is getting the football complex on par with the rest of the Big 12? Huge news for EMAW.
YOU HAVE A TRACK AROUND YOUR FIELD AND A PRESS BOX THE SIZE OF A 3A HIGH SCHOOLS
I've honestly been in better high school press boxes than KU's. I'm not goemawing here.
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So phase 3 is getting the football complex on par with the rest of the Big 12? Huge news for EMAW.
I'm not sure you understand what that means
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So phase 3 is getting the football complex on par with the rest of the Big 12? Huge news for EMAW.
eh, I don't see anything as "par". we'll still be seen as below some of the best stadiums but we will be passing others on our way towards the upper half. I'm very happy about it.
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Congrats fellas. Unlike the butthurt brigade, my #1 goal in life is not to disparage and make fun of K-State when they get nice things.
but if it's number 6 then its in your upper half of your goals right?
:lol:
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Congrats fellas. Unlike the butthurt brigade, my #1 goal in life is not to disparage and make fun of K-State when they get nice things.
but if it's number 6 then its in your upper half of your goals right?
:lol:
hell of a post by kslim
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Congrats fellas. Unlike the butthurt brigade, my #1 goal in life is not to disparage and make fun of K-State when they get nice things.
but if it's number 6 then its in your upper half of your goals right?
:lol:
hell of a post by kslim
Yup :ROFL:
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:lol:
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We just finished spending $10 million dollars on renovating and expanding Vanier 5 or 6 years ago, and now we're going to tear the whole thing down and start over. :kstategrad:
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We just finished spending $10 million dollars on renovating and expanding Vanier 5 or 6 years ago, and now we're going to tear the whole thing down and start over. :kstategrad:
So K-State basically wasted $10 million trying to put lipstick on a pig? Now you're going to build a new football complex more than six years after KU just built our $31 million football-only facility. Impressive.
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We just finished spending $10 million dollars on renovating and expanding Vanier 5 or 6 years ago, and now we're going to tear the whole thing down and start over. :kstategrad:
So K-State basically wasted $10 million trying to put lipstick on a pig? Now you're going to build a new football complex more than six years after KU just built our $31 million football-only facility. Impressive.
We know you're mad about being lapped again Beems. It's ok. We're here for you.
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We just finished spending $10 million dollars on renovating and expanding Vanier 5 or 6 years ago, and now we're going to tear the whole thing down and start over. :kstategrad:
So K-State basically wasted $10 million trying to put lipstick on a pig? Now you're going to build a new football complex more than six years after KU just built our $31 million football-only facility. Impressive.
And now look at you guys!! Winning conference games and at the top of the league!
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We just finished spending $10 million dollars on renovating and expanding Vanier 5 or 6 years ago, and now we're going to tear the whole thing down and start over. :kstategrad:
So K-State basically wasted $10 million trying to put lipstick on a pig? Now you're going to build a new football complex more than six years after KU just built our $31 million football-only facility. Impressive.
And now look at you guys!! Winning conference games and at the top of the league!
Out-recruiting K-State with nicer facilities, tho
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We just finished spending $10 million dollars on renovating and expanding Vanier 5 or 6 years ago, and now we're going to tear the whole thing down and start over. :kstategrad:
So K-State basically wasted $10 million trying to put lipstick on a pig? Now you're going to build a new football complex more than six years after KU just built our $31 million football-only facility. Impressive.
And now look at you guys!! Winning conference games and at the top of the league!
Out-recruiting K-State with nicer facilities, tho
Link?
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We just finished spending $10 million dollars on renovating and expanding Vanier 5 or 6 years ago, and now we're going to tear the whole thing down and start over. :kstategrad:
So K-State basically wasted $10 million trying to put lipstick on a pig? Now you're going to build a new football complex more than six years after KU just built our $31 million football-only facility. Impressive.
And now look at you guys!! Winning conference games and at the top of the league!
Out-recruiting K-State with nicer facilities, tho
And now look at you guys!! Winning conference games and at the top of the league!
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Glen Mason asked for something compareable to Vanier in 1995, 3 coaches and 13 years later it opened in 2008 at ku.
That's one of the primary reasons that Mason tried to bail to Georgia in 1995, and ultimately did bail to Minn. the following year.
You were nearly 2 decades behind K-State Beems.
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This whole thread….. :flush:
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We should flip the couch cushions and build one of these Kentucky Jr., dorms just for the hell of it. I dunno :dunno:
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We have an extra 20 million in straight cash laying around now, why not?
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We should flip the couch cushions and build one of these Kentucky Jr., dorms just for the hell of it. I dunno :dunno:
:lol:
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or, we could do the right thing and throw some coin to lil bro.
Remember this guys...and how happy they were? Didn't that make you feel good inside? mmmmm?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWUBDi5EEZU
(also, video should be updated with another Big 12 trophy but there might not be room)
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or, we could do the right thing and throw some coin to lil bro.
Remember this guys...and how happy they were? Didn't that make you feel good inside? mmmmm?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWUBDi5EEZU
(also, video should be updated with another Big 12 trophy but there might not be room)
just an amazing video.
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We should flip the couch cushions and build one of these Kentucky Jr., dorms just for the hell of it. I dunno :dunno:
Limestone we didn't get as rich as we are by investing our money in stupid pointless things out of butt envy and making someone else pay for it.
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We should flip the couch cushions and build one of these Kentucky Jr., dorms just for the hell of it. I dunno :dunno:
Limestone we didn't get as rich as we are by investing our money in stupid pointless things out of butt envy and making someone else pay for it.
Damn. I guess with all this cash laying around I forgot about sound investing. It just seems like there is an endless supply, you know?
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4-48 is just too steep of a mountain for lil bro to overcome. Focus on squeezing every last drop out of Snyder and replacing the harley track.
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twenty mill, tho. chump change.
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How many times has Beems mentioned "Harley Track" in this thread alone? I'm not psychologist, but I'm pretty sure he's in love with/jealous as hell of Harley Day. Cheer up Beems, maybe with your awesome new track you guys can ride Harleys around the old track?
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http://www2.kusports.com/news/2005/feb/28/fieldhouse_built_to/ (http://www2.kusports.com/news/2005/feb/28/fieldhouse_built_to/)
Straight from lil bro's mouth you guys. Feels great to be a solid role model for them.
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Imagine the ridicule K-State would receive if K-State unveiled drawings for 2 major facilities projects, one of which had a press conference and full blown press releases. Only to turn around and have neither of them built? What if K-State went and put up a giant banner and announced to the world that it was going to build a big fancy project and even go so far as to tell everyone on that banner the thing was going to be built and opened by a certain date? Only to never move one pinch of dirt, nor pour a single foot of concrete for the thing??
Sadly for lil Bro over in Lawrence, that has been the case.
Then to top it all off, imagine if K-State athletics wanted a building that technically it can't build by NCAA rule, and subsequently went over to Topeka and tried to get another department at K-State to take on the debt to build the building, only to be told no??
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Imagine the ridicule K-State would receive if K-State unveiled drawings for 2 major facilities projects, one of which had a press conference and full blown press releases. Only to turn around and have neither of them built? What if K-State went and put up a giant banner and announced to the world that it was going to build a big fancy project and even go so far as to tell everyone on that banner the thing was going to be built and opened by a certain date? Only to never move one pinch of dirt, nor pour a single foot of concrete for the thing??
Sadly for lil Bro over in Lawrence, that has been the case.
Then to top it all off, imagine if K-State athletics wanted a building that technically it can't build by NCAA rule, and subsequently went over to Topeka and tried to get another department at K-State to take on the debt to build the building, only to be told no??
seriously cant even imagine something like that. our donors just snap their fingers and open the checkbook and boom a year later we have another elite facility. hard to imagine it any other way.
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Imagine the ridicule K-State would receive if K-State unveiled drawings for 2 major facilities projects, one of which had a press conference and full blown press releases. Only to turn around and have neither of them built? What if K-State went and put up a giant banner and announced to the world that it was going to build a big fancy project and even go so far as to tell everyone on that banner the thing was going to be built and opened by a certain date? Only to never move one pinch of dirt, nor pour a single foot of concrete for the thing??
Sadly for lil Bro over in Lawrence, that has been the case.
Then to top it all off, imagine if K-State athletics wanted a building that technically it can't build by NCAA rule, and subsequently went over to Topeka and tried to get another department at K-State to take on the debt to build the building, only to be told no??
seriously cant even imagine something like that. our donors just snap their fingers and open the checkbook and boom a year later we have another elite facility. hard to imagine it any other way.
:kstategrad:
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We should flip the couch cushions and build one of these Kentucky Jr., dorms just for the hell of it. I dunno :dunno:
I mean, since these things pretty much guarantee top recruits, and we've got cash laying around, why not, you know?
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KU football, stepping stone program to powerhouse Minnesota Gold Gophers since 1995
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http://www2.kusports.com/news/2005/feb/28/fieldhouse_built_to/ (http://www2.kusports.com/news/2005/feb/28/fieldhouse_built_to/)
Straight from lil bro's mouth you guys. Feels great to be a solid role model for them.
Before anyone could count the number of seats, Phog Allen declared that the capacity was 17,000, and who was going to dispute the legendary KU coach and the building's namesake? Privately, KU officials said 16,000 was more like it.
I guess the history of bluster and exaggeration isn't a new thing over there.
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Imagine the ridicule K-State would receive if K-State unveiled drawings for 2 major facilities projects, one of which had a press conference and full blown press releases. Only to turn around and have neither of them built? What if K-State went and put up a giant banner and announced to the world that it was going to build a big fancy project and even go so far as to tell everyone on that banner the thing was going to be built and opened by a certain date? Only to never move one pinch of dirt, nor pour a single foot of concrete for the thing??
Sadly for lil Bro over in Lawrence, that has been the case.
Then to top it all off, imagine if K-State athletics wanted a building that technically it can't build by NCAA rule, and subsequently went over to Topeka and tried to get another department at K-State to take on the debt to build the building, only to be told no??
:Wha:
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Ku is so small time
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4-48 is just too steep of a mountain for lil bro to overcome. Focus on squeezing every last drop out of Snyder and replacing the harley track.
pro tip: Harley's parading around our track generates 10x more revenue than track athletes running around your track
We win again
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Imagine the ridicule K-State would receive if K-State unveiled drawings for 2 major facilities projects, one of which had a press conference and full blown press releases. Only to turn around and have neither of them built? What if K-State went and put up a giant banner and announced to the world that it was going to build a big fancy project and even go so far as to tell everyone on that banner the thing was going to be built and opened by a certain date? Only to never move one pinch of dirt, nor pour a single foot of concrete for the thing??
Sadly for lil Bro over in Lawrence, that has been the case.
Then to top it all off, imagine if K-State athletics wanted a building that technically it can't build by NCAA rule, and subsequently went over to Topeka and tried to get another department at K-State to take on the debt to build the building, only to be told no??
that is seriously pathetic
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Imagine the ridicule K-State would receive if K-State unveiled drawings for 2 major facilities projects, one of which had a press conference and full blown press releases. Only to turn around and have neither of them built? What if K-State went and put up a giant banner and announced to the world that it was going to build a big fancy project and even go so far as to tell everyone on that banner the thing was going to be built and opened by a certain date? Only to never move one pinch of dirt, nor pour a single foot of concrete for the thing??
Sadly for lil Bro over in Lawrence, that has been the case.
Then to top it all off, imagine if K-State athletics wanted a building that technically it can't build by NCAA rule, and subsequently went over to Topeka and tried to get another department at K-State to take on the debt to build the building, only to be told no??
Good God, SODJ with another tape measure job. Touch em all, Dax!
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Imagine the ridicule K-State would receive if K-State unveiled drawings for 2 major facilities projects, one of which had a press conference and full blown press releases. Only to turn around and have neither of them built? What if K-State went and put up a giant banner and announced to the world that it was going to build a big fancy project and even go so far as to tell everyone on that banner the thing was going to be built and opened by a certain date? Only to never move one pinch of dirt, nor pour a single foot of concrete for the thing??
Sadly for lil Bro over in Lawrence, that has been the case.
Then to top it all off, imagine if K-State athletics wanted a building that technically it can't build by NCAA rule, and subsequently went over to Topeka and tried to get another department at K-State to take on the debt to build the building, only to be told no??
They didn't want that stuff tho.
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4-48 is just too steep of a mountain for lil bro to overcome. Focus on squeezing every last drop out of Snyder and replacing the harley track.
pro tip: Harley's parading around our track generates 10x more revenue than track athletes running around your track
We win again
This post is :lol: . :jayhook:
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KU football, stepping stone program to powerhouse Minnesota Gold Gophers since 1995
The Gopher's record of success would be a huge upgrade for futility u
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One thing was true though, they seemed to fill the non-athlete portion of the towers with good looking girls.
Can confirm. I lived in Jayhawk Towers my one semester at KU. :blush:
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Obviously, they need something to beat on to keep them focused.
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Heck K-State athletics has to get annual Student Senate approval to get $500K in student fees, while ku students have to fork over a compulsory $2 plus million a year from a rigged student election 5 years ago every time they write a check for tuition.
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2014/mar/07/ku-students-set-vote-eliminating-athletics-fee/
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Heck K-State athletics has to get annual Student Senate approval to get $500K in student fees, while ku students have to fork over a compulsory $2 plus million a year from a rigged student election 5 years ago every time they write a check for tuition.
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2014/mar/07/ku-students-set-vote-eliminating-athletics-fee/
The veiled threats are already coming, just like the last time the students tried to stop the fees.
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Guys, when Rome is burning to the ground, all we need to do is stand back and watch that mother burn.
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Dr. Zenger loves the students almost as much as he loves his alma mater, Kansas State. I bet he let's the students make their own decision on this one and doesn't come to the meeting to exert pressure.
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We're smoking these fools :crossfingers: :ROFL:
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http://www.kansascity.com/2014/03/27/4920525/ku-to-lower-student-fee-for-athletics.html
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Jesus those last 5 pages were awesome.
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So BGL basically veto'd the student senate without actually veto'ing? Stud move
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If K-State had just built a brand new sports complex for its national championship track & field program, announced plans for a $17 million luxury apartment for its bball programs, hired HNTB for a complete upgrade of its football stadium, and started construction for a facility that would house the original rules of basketball, I wouldn't be making fun of them. But hey, I guess that's what separates me from the inferiority complex'd herd at goEMAW.com.
http://www.gouldevans.com/portfolio/ku-debruce-center
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If K-State had just built a brand new sports complex for its national championship track & field program, announced plans for a $17 million luxury apartment for its bball programs, hired HNTB for a complete upgrade of its football stadium, and started construction for a facility that would house the original rules of basketball, I wouldn't be making fun of them. But hey, I guess that's what separates me from the inferiority complex'd herd at goEMAW.com.
http://www.gouldevans.com/portfolio/ku-debruce-center
Nice find. Beems sure is making fun of our cruise ship, so this is quite the contradiction.
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"de oscar center" ?
as in "of oscar" ? as in, they named the rules place after oscar weber, owner of all things squawk. what a joke those guys are, disgusting. oscar totally is their master and commander. when de oscar tells them to jump, these squawks ask how high :lol:
hello of oscar!
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De oscar De oscar De oscar is on fire!
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"de oscar center" ?
as in "of oscar" ? as in, they named the rules place after oscar weber, owner of all things squawk. what a joke those guys are, disgusting. oscar totally is their master and commander. when de oscar tells them to jump, these squawks ask how high :lol:
hello of oscar!
Isn't it:
oscar: 1
Self: 4
?
If I may invoke original rule #13, "The side making the most points in that time is declared the winner."
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"de oscar center" ?
as in "of oscar" ? as in, they named the rules place after oscar weber, owner of all things squawk. what a joke those guys are, disgusting. oscar totally is their master and commander. when de oscar tells them to jump, these squawks ask how high :lol:
hello of oscar!
Isn't it:
oscar: 1
Self: 4
?
If I may invoke original rule #13, "The side making the most points in that time is declared the winner."
that's weird. did they name it the de bill center? nope. de oscar completely shadowed what self did at illinois, de oscar has already begun complete ownage of self in the big 12. of course he is going to need some time to bring in his recruits after the crap show that martin left here but even with those recruits, de oscar clownsuited self on national tv. hilarious that squawks are in self-denial, even after the evidence is lined up.
then you name the rules building after de oscar and just /ignore that simple fact. wow.
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de oscar is in de pudding :dunno:
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If K-State had just built a brand new sports complex for its national championship track & field program, announced plans for a $17 million luxury apartment for its bball programs, hired HNTB for a complete upgrade of its football stadium, and started construction for a facility that would house the original rules of basketball, I wouldn't be making fun of them. But hey, I guess that's what separates me from the inferiority complex'd herd at goEMAW.com.
http://www.gouldevans.com/portfolio/ku-debruce-center
Nice find. Beems sure is making fun of our cruise ship, so this is quite the contradiction.
Cruise ship, Basketball Rules Aquarium, Lazy River... whatever. You guys all want the water features that stud schools Iowa State and Washington have. Quit being butthurt and just let us enjoy what we have and you don't.
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:horrorsurprise:
If K-State had just built a brand new sports complex for its national championship track & field program, announced plans for a $17 million luxury apartment for its bball programs, hired HNTB for a complete upgrade of its football stadium, and started construction for a facility that would house the original rules of basketball, I wouldn't be making fun of them. But hey, I guess that's what separates me from the inferiority complex'd herd at goEMAW.com.
http://www.gouldevans.com/portfolio/ku-debruce-center
Nice find. Beems sure is making fun of our cruise ship, so this is quite the contradiction.
Cruise ship, Basketball Rules Aquarium, Lazy River... whatever. You guys all want the water features that stud schools Iowa State and Washington have. Quit being butthurt and just let us enjoy what we have and you don't.
I enjoyed this post
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RULE 13: the side making the most goals in that time shall be declared the winner.
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What an eye sore
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:lol: Poors
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2014/jun/26/bids-building-house-original-rules-basketball-came/?sports (http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2014/jun/26/bids-building-house-original-rules-basketball-came/?sports)
Construction of the DeBruce Center, which will house the original rules of basketball, will be delayed by a few weeks, officials said Thursday.
Construction bids for the $18 million project came in higher than expected, Kansas University Endowment Association President Dale Seuferling said.
So, Seuferling said the project architect would go over the proposal to identify areas where savings can be made.
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:lol: Poors
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2014/jun/26/bids-building-house-original-rules-basketball-came/?sports (http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2014/jun/26/bids-building-house-original-rules-basketball-came/?sports)
Construction of the DeBruce Center, which will house the original rules of basketball, will be delayed by a few weeks, officials said Thursday.
Construction bids for the $18 million project came in higher than expected, Kansas University Endowment Association President Dale Seuferling said.
So, Seuferling said the project architect would go over the proposal to identify areas where savings can be made.
LOL can you imagine living in a world where you cut corners instead of just fronting the extra cash? We're really lucky to be us.
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:lol: Poors
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2014/jun/26/bids-building-house-original-rules-basketball-came/?sports (http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2014/jun/26/bids-building-house-original-rules-basketball-came/?sports)
Construction of the DeBruce Center, which will house the original rules of basketball, will be delayed by a few weeks, officials said Thursday.
Construction bids for the $18 million project came in higher than expected, Kansas University Endowment Association President Dale Seuferling said.
So, Seuferling said the project architect would go over the proposal to identify areas where savings can be made.
LOL can you imagine living in a world where you cut corners instead of just fronting the extra cash? We're really lucky to be us.
Didn't you guys literally cut corners with the N.E. section of BSFS?
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:lol: Poors
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2014/jun/26/bids-building-house-original-rules-basketball-came/?sports (http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2014/jun/26/bids-building-house-original-rules-basketball-came/?sports)
Construction of the DeBruce Center, which will house the original rules of basketball, will be delayed by a few weeks, officials said Thursday.
Construction bids for the $18 million project came in higher than expected, Kansas University Endowment Association President Dale Seuferling said.
So, Seuferling said the project architect would go over the proposal to identify areas where savings can be made.
LOL can you imagine living in a world where you cut corners instead of just fronting the extra cash? We're really lucky to be us.
Didn't you guys literally cut corners with the N.E. section of BSFS?
You mean delay it a season?
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:lol: Poors
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2014/jun/26/bids-building-house-original-rules-basketball-came/?sports (http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2014/jun/26/bids-building-house-original-rules-basketball-came/?sports)
Construction of the DeBruce Center, which will house the original rules of basketball, will be delayed by a few weeks, officials said Thursday.
Construction bids for the $18 million project came in higher than expected, Kansas University Endowment Association President Dale Seuferling said.
So, Seuferling said the project architect would go over the proposal to identify areas where savings can be made.
LOL can you imagine living in a world where you cut corners instead of just fronting the extra cash? We're really lucky to be us.
Didn't you guys literally cut corners with the N.E. section of BSFS?
You can only do so many 50+ million a piece upgrades at a time and pay straight cash homie
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The whole project is lame, I think the endowment realized it and pumped the brakes.
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maybe they could sell the rules to come up with the extra cash for the building.
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maybe they could sell the rules to come up with the extra cash for the building.
They already have a lien against the rules at 120% LTV :frown:
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maybe they could sell the rules to come up with the extra cash for the building.
They already have a lien against the rules at 120% LTV :frown:
:lol:
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Given what the DA oscar will actually function as, is it even fair to call it an athletic facilities upgrade?
I mean hell, at what point will ku athletics actually pay for something outright again?
It's always somebody else paying for their stuff these days.
I thought the kuad was loaded? :confused:
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Given what the DA oscar will actually function as, is it even fair to call it an athletic facilities upgrade?
I mean hell, at what point will ku athletics actually pay for something outright again?
It's always somebody else paying for their stuff these days.
I thought the kuad was loaded? :confused:
Dax,
You must be thinking of the endowment...it's loaded.
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Spracs can you give us an update on the progress of this?
I am a little jelly, because ku hoopsters pretty much only take online classes, or at least that was the case at one time, so hell . . . they may never have to leave this little pleasuredome (full of JCCC's best jersey chasers) until basketball practice or games.
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Spracs can you give us an update on the progress of this?
I am a little jelly, because ku hoopsters pretty much only take online classes, or at least that was the case at one time, so hell . . . they may never have to leave this little pleasuredome (full of JCCC's best jersey chasers) until basketball practice or games.
I have no clue. You're probably closer to the situation than I am. Construction should be under way? :dunno: This says the completion date is July 2015: https://housingdev.drupal.ku.edu/mccarthy (https://housingdev.drupal.ku.edu/mccarthy)
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Hey teasip, beems would know
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Hey teasip, beems would know
That's some elite Aggie smack there, son.