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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: bubbles4ksu on January 22, 2014, 07:49:11 PM
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Sounds like a lot of people wanted to get tight with the EU and then Putin put his big nose in and mumped it up and now people are dying and they sent a text to demonstrators notifying them that they are lawbreakers.
That is all I know. Someone link/tell me some better info, please.
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This Russia Olmpics thing is going to be a disaster.
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This Russia Olmpics thing is going to be a disaster.
between this and the qatar world cup, we might as well schedule one of our OOC games at the salina bi-center in the next few years
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eff qatar, what about Brazil TWICE
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eff SOCCER DISCUSSION.
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ukraine bloggers, GO
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuegifwcZh8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuegifwcZh8) live feed (fire barricade)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuegifwcZh8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuegifwcZh8) scene from hell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLV6-o-GetU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLV6-o-GetU) 30 minute pitched battle between protesters and police
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Did you guys see where they freaking beheaded a referee in a Brazilian soccer match? Nightmare. Ukraine too tho
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the ukraine is weak. it's a sitting duck, a road apple.
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http://www.ustream.tv/channel/euromajdan/pop-out (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/euromajdan/pop-out)
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eff qatar, what about Brazil TWICE
Brazil is amazing. :love:
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http://www.ustream.tv/channel/euromajdan/pop-out (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/euromajdan/pop-out)
nice.
here is a link discussing the text that everyone near the protest site received: http://motherboard.vice.com/en_ca/blog/maybe-the-most-orwellian-text-message-ever-sent (http://motherboard.vice.com/en_ca/blog/maybe-the-most-orwellian-text-message-ever-sent)
“Dear subscriber, you are registered as a participant in a mass disturbance.”
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they talked about this on BBC World Radio briefly this morning. it was right after they talked about some lady who fell off a ferry and then got rescued half an hour later which I thought wasn't that interesting of a story and didn't deserve the amount of time and drama they were giving it.
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http://www.ustream.tv/channel/euromajdan/pop-out (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/euromajdan/pop-out)
It looks like they're tailgating. Pretty dedicated
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What I've read seems to say that general public really would like to be part of the EU. The president was elected under shady circumstances in 2010, basically bought and paid for by Putin and Russia. As pressure has mounted to join the EU, the "elected" leadership has completely turned on it's people. They've made protesting illegal, speaking out against a public official is jailable, and now they are pretty much having a war with their own people. Scary stuff.
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Sounds like a lot of people wanted to get tight with the EU and then Putin put his big nose in and mumped it up and now people are dying and they sent a text to demonstrators notifying them that they are lawbreakers.
That is all I know. Someone link/tell me some better info, please.
All the people in Eastern Ukraine want closer relations with the EU, all the peeps in western Ukraine like Russia more. Western Ukranian party is in office now and is establishing closer ties with Russia/Putin...Eastern Ukranians are pissed and rioting.
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http://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/1vx8k5/ukrainian_revolt_information_thread_xpost_from/
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it's really hard for me to get jazzed up over any political upheaval that isn't live tweeted by Felix Rex.
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http://www.ustream.tv/channel/euromajdan/pop-out (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/euromajdan/pop-out)
it sounds like they are hammering away at something and building a huge barricade out of it. amazing. the police at the upper right are lined up, just watching this civilian army prepare.
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the ukraine is weak. it's a sitting duck, a road apple.
:thumbs:
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http://www.thejournal.ie/ukraine-whats-happening-1206239-Jan2014/
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lots of good weapons pics here.
http://www.sharenator.com/weapons-of-euromaidan-in-kiev/ (http://www.sharenator.com/weapons-of-euromaidan-in-kiev/)
i can't stop fantasizing about how exhilarating it would be to form a wedge and smash into these fascists with 8mp and 30 other like-minded buds.
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http://www.ustream.tv/channel/euromajdan/pop-out (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/euromajdan/pop-out)
looks like the cops are reinforcing. maybe going to stage another 6am attack? a handful of priests are in the no man's land.
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More pics:
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These guys are NOT. rough ridin'. AROUND.
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So I just somewhat heard on the radio that the Russian boxer (Kalichko sp? Weren't there two of them?) that was heavy weight champ is the leader of the protesters/rioters. Is that right?
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So I just somewhat heard on the radio that the Russian boxer (Kalichko sp? Weren't there two of them?) that was heavy weight champ is the leader of the protesters/rioters. Is that right?
He's like a member of parliament and one of the opposition leaders. Boxing champ with a Ph.D. Who knew?
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yeah it seems like klitschko is really into this. last night he was close enough to get hosed by a fire extinguisher.
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yeah it seems like klitschko is really into this. last night he was close enough to get hosed by a fire extinguisher.
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We get the joke, you can stop posting DKR stills.
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a couple dozen guys behind the tire wall are throwing rocks and the occasional malotov cocktail. the cops are lobbing molotovs of their own as well. it's pretty exciting to see one in flight.
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/euromajdan/pop-out (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/euromajdan/pop-out)
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a couple dozen guys behind the tire wall are throwing rocks and the occasional malotov cocktail. the cops are lobbing molotovs of their own as well. it's pretty exciting to see one in flight.
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/euromajdan/pop-out (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/euromajdan/pop-out)
dumb question...is this a live feed? :horrorsurprise:
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a couple dozen guys behind the tire wall are throwing rocks and the occasional malotov cocktail. the cops are lobbing molotovs of their own as well. it's pretty exciting to see one in flight.
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/euromajdan/pop-out (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/euromajdan/pop-out)
dumb question...is this a live feed? :horrorsurprise:
yeah, this is about the most visually impressive it's been. it's like helm's deep right now.
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it's boring, but i can't stop watching
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fire :surprised:
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still burning! :lynchmob:
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looks like they stormed a building recently and are waiting for someone to come out?
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/euromajdan/pop-out (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/euromajdan/pop-out)
the president offered klitschko the prime minister position but he said "nope, we need some new elections"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25896786 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25896786)
part of the outrage stems from the president putting the old prime minister, yulia tymoshenko, in prison. the pm says that she made natural gas deals with the EU that cost more than natural gas deals with russia would have.
what kind of monster could put this human into prison?
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If only being in prison was the worst of her problems. Its a really jacked up situation for her.
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The war for control of the periphery of the former Soviet Union rages on.
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ukraine seems to be losing its crap about now
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Live feed from Kiev as it burns: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_LFrMcoEm4
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This seems to be going well:
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megaphone singing guy is really serious about his zeal
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megaphone singing guy is really serious about his zeal
Singing his lungs out now. So much zeal.
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now it sounds like college debate (non championship caliber)
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Holy crap is this luked?
http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/feb/20/ukraine-police-fire-protesters-kiev-video
Like real holy crap.
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I think that was after a protester threw a grenade at police and then an officer realized what it was and tried to kick it away only to have it explode on his foot and injure several other officers.
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Man
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I hope they don't think their shields are bulletproof :frown:
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They're screening The Square
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looks like they stormed a building recently and are waiting for someone to come out?
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/euromajdan/pop-out (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/euromajdan/pop-out)
the president offered klitschko the prime minister position but he said "nope, we need some new elections"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25896786 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25896786)
part of the outrage stems from the president putting the old prime minister, yulia tymoshenko, in prison. the pm says that she made natural gas deals with the EU that cost more than natural gas deals with russia would have.
what kind of monster could put this human into prison?
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I looked her up. She's cute as a button. Kinda milfy
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get out of here headinjun
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Have we already done the before/after pics of independence square? Cuz they're amazing.
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I'm also enjoying the pics of the prez palace, even if most are fake.
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:drool:
get out of here headinjun
No. Make me!!
Sorry for going all tuckish. I was just expounding on a previous comment.
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Things are heating up in Ukraine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9FS1bxaGTg
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Think she'll marry me?
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Holy rough ridin' :facepalm: Take this crap to the GPC thread or something that isn't talking about a serious revolution where lots of people are getting killed.
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get out of here headinjun
Is this acceptable?
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I bet Putin brings the hammer down now that the olympics are over.
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I bet Putin brings the hammer down now that the olympics are over.
As he should. These people clearly don't know what's best for them.
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Would the 2014 Ukranian riot team beat the 1992 LA riot team?
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Would the 2014 Ukranian riot team beat the 1992 LA riot team?
I would take LA if we are including the Korean shop owners that were shoot first, ask questions later
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I like how the Ukrainian protesters are carrying signs saying "We're not like Egypt". Egyptians are in a bit of a tizzy over the whole coup/not coup thing.
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Do any of you guys read Ukraine?
http://yanukovychleaks.org/
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So crap is getting real
Russian troops are miraculously going on vacation to the Crimean and lots of residence there suddenly have a reason to get expedited Russian passports. Paramilitary groups are now securing government buildings and key infrastructure.
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Crimea is now called New East Germany.
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Is that pronounced like crime or cream or creme?
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NPR says crime.
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I bet Putin brings the hammer down now that the olympics are over.
nailed it
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I bet Putin brings the hammer down now that the olympics are over.
nailed it
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I bet Putin brings the hammer down now that the olympics are over.
nailed it
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Not that it was really hard but wow, the torch is still warm and he is sending in the boots. Its time for the Chechneyans (sp) to start making some noise and make him send his guys out on 2 fronts.
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Would Putin still shake the hand of a homosexual today?
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Would Putin still shake the hand of a homosexual today?
Certainly wouldn't give 'em a cuddle
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Have we already done the before/after pics of independence square? Cuz they're amazing.
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Holy crap!
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South Russia. New vacay spot.
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I've got all kinds of insidery scoops as I work with someone who grew up in Ukraine.
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So, would you say Russia is now our number 1 geopolitical foe?
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/02/world/europe/ukraine.html?hp&_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/02/world/europe/ukraine.html?hp&_r=0)
http://news.yahoo.com/upper-house-demand-recall-moscow-ambassador-u-160038208--finance.html;_ylt=AwrBJR9bBBJTxhQAp0nQtDMD (http://news.yahoo.com/upper-house-demand-recall-moscow-ambassador-u-160038208--finance.html;_ylt=AwrBJR9bBBJTxhQAp0nQtDMD)
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/patrick-goodenough/russia-seeks-access-bases-eight-countries-its-ships-and-bombers (http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/patrick-goodenough/russia-seeks-access-bases-eight-countries-its-ships-and-bombers)
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I think they want to be, but we refuse to be their rival.
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Russia is a much better enemy than our current "everyone with brown skin except Mexico. kind of Mexico too I guess."
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Russia is a much better enemy than our current "everyone with brown skin except Mexico. kind of Mexico too I guess."
True, we can talk badly about the russians without being racist, unless you aren't white, then you are racist.
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We can probably hate brown people and Russia if we really work at it.
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Back for more, eh comrades?
Let's borrow some rubles from China and kick their ass (again)
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Which ones are the "brown" people?
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lots of neocons hoping for a good old fashioned macho-off between barry and vlad
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Exactly why we bought all these drones.
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what handle do you think putin posts under at gE?
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what handle do you think putin posts under at gE?
Poonhound
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yeah i don't know how i didn't think of that earlier.
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lots of neocons hoping for a good old fashioned macho-off between barry and vlad
vlad won this contest a few years ago and mushed barry again in iran and syria.
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to be fair john dougie was my 2nd choice for "most likely handle for Vladimir Putin."
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lol at 40'ish% of the US cheering for Putin to mush Obama.
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lol at 40'ish% of the US cheering for Putin to mush Obama.
I don't think this is true. I do think it's a shame we have given up being the musher.
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lol at 40'ish% of the US cheering for Putin to mush Obama.
I don't think this is true. I do think it's a shame we have given up being the musher.
Oh yeah, waiving our military power around has really paid off
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lol at 40'ish% of the US cheering for Putin to mush Obama.
I don't think this is true. I do think it's a shame we have given up being the musher.
Oh yeah, waiving our military power around has really paid off
:D
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lol at 40'ish% of the US cheering for Putin to mush Obama.
I don't think this is true. I do think it's a shame we have given up being the musher.
Oh yeah, waiving our military power around has really paid off
Reagan was the last president that understood how to use the military.
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I don't remember Reagan as prez but I agree that nobody since then has known WTF they were doing
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lots of neocons hoping for a good old fashioned macho-off between barry and vlad
If macho is the weapon of choice we're beyond mumped. That would be the equivalent of a an Ellen v. Tyson heavy weight bout.
Can't say I blame Russia. We've totally enabled the meltdown of the middle east, and B. "needle-dick-deeply-concerned" O. couldn't scare Benelux out of a fight.
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lots of neocons hoping for a good old fashioned macho-off between barry and vlad
If macho is the weapon of choice we're beyond mumped. That would be the equivalent of a an Ellen v. Tyson heavy weight bout.
Can't say I blame Russia. We've totally enabled the meltdown of the middle east, and B. "needle-dick-deeply-concerned" O. couldn't scare Benelux out of a fight.
Yes!
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That being said, eff Putin. Maybe b.o. can diplomat GWB to go take care of this crap
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is there any doubt that Putinhound69 is causing this crisis for the sake of great message boarding? i certainly don't think there's any doubt.
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Who will stop Putin? Will be interesting to see how far he takes this.
Serious question, do we have a single ally left? Do we even have credibility anymore?
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Putin drawn to gE by his love of champy rings. Nice try Poonhound, but we aren't as weak spined as those sissy Krafts.
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We don't need allies when it comes to russia. We only need to be mutual enemies/frienemies of russia.
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serious answer: Putin is wrecking crap up to put a shadow over their economy and protect their warm water port
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serious answer: Putin is wrecking crap up to put a shadow over their economy and protect their warm water port
And he can do so without recourse. WGAF how many people die?
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serious answer: Putin is wrecking crap up to put a shadow over their economy and protect their warm water port
And he can do so without recourse. WGAF how many people die?
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Go back to bed, weirdo
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I have such a boner for WWIII and a piece of Russia. Let's get this crap started! Get out of eastern Crimea!
#war #dontdraftmetho
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"I was laying in bed last night and i drifted off to sleep and I had a dream that we where beating Russia 14-3, but I woke up kind of sad....(ooooooooo) I cheered up when I realized that it was only a dream, because I know we can beat Russia by way more than that." -Barry
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I don't think we should war Russia. Maybe just send GWB over there to tell Putin to knock it off over a shirtless, horseback bow hunt.
Maybe park an aircraft carrier in the Caspian sea for a week too. Just keep dickless b.o. and Kerry out of it, those two morons couldn't make a decision between equal and sweet&low.
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That being said, eff Putin. Maybe b.o. can diplomat GWB to go take care of this crap
Or maybe Mitt Romney. Remember when he said Russia was now our number one geopolitical foe, and Obama scoffed and said how ridiculous that was?
Of course, Obama does not give two shits about Russia advancing its interests abroad, even as they harm ours (Syria, Iran, democracy, etc.) because American exceptional is so not polite. Off to give another stearnly-worded speech. It's like he's governing like the UN Secretary General, only more of a pussy.
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GWB? Pfft. Would literally paint us into a corner with putin.
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The Ukraine is weak, it's a road apple
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The Ukraine is weak, it's a road apple
The slave that Vigo saves in Eastern Promises was from Irpin!
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What exactly is the foreign policy of the us? I know we bomb Afghans and torture people at gitmo, but shouldn't we have an actual policy?
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I don't care what our foreign policy is as long as we don't look like pussies on the playground.
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The Ukraine is weak, it's a road apple
A sitting duck
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I don't care what our foreign policy is as long as we don't look like pussies on the playground.
If foreign policy were a playground, we'd be in the house across the street peaking through the curtains wondering if the monkey bars were dirty and whether or not we needed a jacket to go outside
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I don't care what our foreign policy is as long as we don't look like pussies on the playground.
If foreign policy were a playground, we'd be in the house across the street peaking through the curtains wondering if the monkey bars were dirty and whether or not we needed a jacket to go outside
:ROFL:
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I like when people root for political left or right like they root for their sports team. Very entertaining.
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I like when people root for political left or right like they root for their sports team. Very entertaining.
I hate Russia. I don't care how it happens i just want someone to mush them in their fat faces.
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I like when people root for political left or right like they root for their sports team. Very entertaining.
I hate Russia. I don't care how it happens i just want someone to mush them in their fat faces.
Sure. Whatever. Lets do it. Lets kick their ass. Fulfill our bloodlust. White people vs white people for all the marbles.
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Imagine all of the Russian dashcam videos where they're calmly weaving in and out of hellfire missiles raining down on the streets until a car with a giant bale of hay attached to it flips over then Mack Brown climbs out of another wrecked car and slips on a banana peel :love:
"What's Mack doing in Russia?!"
"Spying for the US under the guise of visiting a football recruit, of course."
"THAT'S OUR MACK!"
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I think we should probably just let this play out and then if WW3 starts, we should jump in and finish it. That seemed to work out really well for us the last time around.
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A New Cold War? Ukraine Violence Escalates, Leaked Tape Suggests U.S. Was Plotting Coup (http://www.democracynow.org/appearances/stephen_cohen)
has anyone come across the actual recording? i haven't found it, but apparently there is a US diplomat heard saying "eff russia." it also discusses using NGOs to encourage the coup.
it's great to bbs, but the people in charge really shouldn't meddle so near to russia. if we create some sort of east/west split through the slavic heartland the tension will be ongoing. i only lived through two years of the cold war, but i'm pretty sure it represented an exponentially more serious threat than islamic extremism.
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A New Cold War? Ukraine Violence Escalates, Leaked Tape Suggests U.S. Was Plotting Coup (http://www.democracynow.org/appearances/stephen_cohen)
has anyone come across the actual recording? i haven't found it, but apparently there is a US diplomat heard saying "eff russia." it also discusses using NGOs to encourage the coup.
it's great to bbs, but the people in charge really shouldn't meddle so near to russia. if we create some sort of east/west split through the slavic heartland the tension will be ongoing. i only lived through two years of the cold war, but i'm pretty sure it represented an exponentially more serious threat than islamic extremism.
I think islamic extremism is more dangerous than the cold war, which was simply a stand-off. Neither side really had any interest in actually attacking the other because they weren't suicidal or homicidal and knew the retaliation would be instantaneous and catastrophic.
Radical islam is infecting the entire world, has no country, has a complete disregard for life, and is always looking for the next big target and weapon. at some point they will have a nuclear weapon and there will be a line of wackos ready to die and take a million infidels with them. There won't be any retaliation because of the joke that iraq and afghanistan have become.
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A New Cold War? Ukraine Violence Escalates, Leaked Tape Suggests U.S. Was Plotting Coup (http://www.democracynow.org/appearances/stephen_cohen)
has anyone come across the actual recording? i haven't found it, but apparently there is a US diplomat heard saying "eff russia." it also discusses using NGOs to encourage the coup.
it's great to bbs, but the people in charge really shouldn't meddle so near to russia. if we create some sort of east/west split through the slavic heartland the tension will be ongoing. i only lived through two years of the cold war, but i'm pretty sure it represented an exponentially more serious threat than islamic extremism.
I think islamic extremism is more dangerous than the cold war
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Why should I give a crap about Crimea? Is the new government of Ukraine more entitled to claim Crimea than Russia?
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Why should I give a crap about Crimea? Is the new government of Ukraine more entitled to claim Crimea than Russia?
just more evidence that being a liverpool fan contributes to bringing about the fall of the free world imo
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Vlad has had enough. This what I've been talking about, Zbig's Chessboard moves have been pushed back again. First Georgia, now the Ukraine.
Pull out your maps kiddos.
"The momentum of Asia's economic development is already generating massive pressures for the exploration and exploitation of new sources of energy and the Central Asian region and the Caspian Sea basin are known to contain reserves of natural gas and oil that dwarf those of Kuwait, the Gulf of Mexico, or the North Sea." (p.125)
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Why should I give a crap about Crimea? Is the new government of Ukraine more entitled to claim Crimea than Russia?
I think Crimea should be able to join whichever country they prefer and the other country should just butt their stupid head right out of it.
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Vlad has had enough. This what I've been talking about, Zbig's Chessboard moves have been pushed back again. First Georgia, now the Ukraine.
Pull out your maps kiddos.
"The momentum of Asia's economic development is already generating massive pressures for the exploration and exploitation of new sources of energy and the Central Asian region and the Caspian Sea basin are known to contain reserves of natural gas and oil that dwarf those of Kuwait, the Gulf of Mexico, or the North Sea." (p.125)
crimea isn't central asian nor is it in the caspian sea basin. this doesn't have crap to do with oil, you crazy person.
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Vlad has had enough. This what I've been talking about, Zbig's Chessboard moves have been pushed back again. First Georgia, now the Ukraine.
Pull out your maps kiddos.
"The momentum of Asia's economic development is already generating massive pressures for the exploration and exploitation of new sources of energy and the Central Asian region and the Caspian Sea basin are known to contain reserves of natural gas and oil that dwarf those of Kuwait, the Gulf of Mexico, or the North Sea." (p.125)
crimea isn't central asian nor is it in the caspian sea basin. this doesn't have crap to do with oil, you crazy person.
The map I have in my head is, and probably always will be based on the map from Risk. Did not realize there were so many small countries north of Ukraine... :sdeek:
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Vlad has had enough. This what I've been talking about, Zbig's Chessboard moves have been pushed back again. First Georgia, now the Ukraine.
Pull out your maps kiddos.
"The momentum of Asia's economic development is already generating massive pressures for the exploration and exploitation of new sources of energy and the Central Asian region and the Caspian Sea basin are known to contain reserves of natural gas and oil that dwarf those of Kuwait, the Gulf of Mexico, or the North Sea." (p.125)
crimea isn't central asian nor is it in the caspian sea basin. this doesn't have crap to do with oil, you crazy person.
Lulz
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fen.ria.ru%2Fimages%2F15520%2F63%2F155206369.jpg&hash=e9ba7d8150eb2a62871034d57623f58a5474235f)
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The Ukraine is Top 25 in the world in known Natural Gas reserves, and top 50 oil reserves. Look at the map, if you believe that this is about freedom and democracy you're a complete dumbass.
This is about blunting Russian spheres of influence and control of natural resources and strategic transport routes of various types.
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This is Putin's Middle East but with less terrorists? Just set up the puppet govt and get out before our dumbass govt decides to get super butthurt.
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This is Putin's Middle East but with less terrorists? Just set up the puppet govt and get out before our dumbass govt decides to get super butthurt.
russia already has a sweet fossil fuel set up. this is about russian pride and putin proving to the west that he's the biggest swinging dick in the neighborhood.
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This is Putin's Middle East but with less terrorists? Just set up the puppet govt and get out before our dumbass govt decides to get super butthurt.
russia already has a sweet fossil fuel set up. this is about russian pride and putin proving to the west that he's the biggest swinging dick in the neighborhood.
also protecting their only non-frozen naval access point
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This is Putin's Middle East but with less terrorists? Just set up the puppet govt and get out before our dumbass govt decides to get super butthurt.
russia already has a sweet fossil fuel set up. this is about russian pride and putin proving to the west that he's the biggest swinging dick in the neighborhood.
I'm not sure if Russia has a good way to get those fuels to the market without the Ukraine, though. Still, if they weren't such dicks, I'm sure the Ukraine would be more than willing to work with them.
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ksucatinokc
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Well, Pooty knows that nobody is left to stop him... Reply
and liberals can laugh and laugh about how funny it is to think Russian is a threat to world security...right...remember that liberals?? Remember that idiot Palin talking about Russia being a threat to Ukraine back in 2008?? Remember mocking her??
Of course you don't...cuz it's so much more fun to make fun of people that worry about grown up problems...
Now get back to enjoying barrycare and the latest "Conservatives are da' devil" talking points!!!!
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Todd M.
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ksucatinokc
GoPowercat Ring of Fame member
Re: Well, Pooty knows that nobody is left to stop him... Reply
To be honest, I'm a little curious what the teleprompter is going to tell barry to say about this extremely serious matter???
Will twenty-something speech writers save the day yet again??
Will John F-ing Kerry convince Pooty that he doesn't want to risk losing his precious seat at the Group of Eight nations table??? (GASP)
That's like telling barry he can't golf at his favorite courses...or...it might almost be as bad as telling barry he can't fill out an NCAA bracket and tell the world on ESPN!!!!!!!!! We are talking life changing stuff here!!!
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Todd M.
3/2 8:42 PM | IP: Logged
ksucatinokc
Re: Well, Pooty knows that nobody is left to stop him... Reply
LET THE APPEASEMENT BEGIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Todd M.
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ksucatinokc
Re: Well, Pooty knows that nobody is left to stop him... Reply
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...this does not mean we "declare war on Russia" you f-ing idiots...
What it DOES mean is that the evil people in the world...like Pooty, Iran, and the Chicoms...(forget about the evil fools in the whitehouse for now)...now fully understand they face ZERO serious opposition of any kind.
America "has spoken" by reselecting barry...and we no longer have the will to matter or be relevant any longer. Everyone else in the world IS PAYING ATTENTION to our national suicide while the domestic fools cheer and marry gays while killing 55 million babies...YEAH!!!!!!
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Todd M.
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Wildcatfarm
Re: Well, Pooty knows that nobody is left to stop him... Reply
Obama gives a 3 minute token speech about Ukraine, and then half an hour later across town says the following: "It's Friday, it's after 5, and that means happy hour in the Democrat party! I can do that, it's an executive order!"
How is Putin, the midget in N Korea, the Islams, or any of our enemies or potential enemies supposed to take this guy seriously? Hell, I can't even take him seriously.
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ksucatinokc
GoPowercat Ring of Fame member
Re: Well, Pooty knows that nobody is left to stop him... Reply
Sir, you have nailed the most important point...
We are officially a non-player internationally...and we will laugh and play...smoke pot and marry gays...until the world decides they want to pick our bones clean.
The ONE thing the feds are demanded to do by the once respected Constitution...they are refusing to do...provide for the common defense.
However, because idiots don't understand that if you reduce your military capacity today...you don't always get attacked TOMORROW...no one will "see it coming"...and they will be "SHOCKED" that we are attacked and can't properly defend ourselves.
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Todd M.
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So Russia has told ukranian forces in Crimea they have 11 hours to surrender or "Face storm"
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LOL at stuff getting lost in translation, sucks for ukraine tho.
BREAKING NEWS:
Russian military gives Ukraine forces in Crimea until 0300GMT to surrender or "face storm" - Ukraine Defence sources
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Do you think they will surrender? I think they probably won't.
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Holy crap is this luked?
http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/feb/20/ukraine-police-fire-protesters-kiev-video
Like real holy crap.
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I like how the Ukrainian protesters are carrying signs saying "We're not like Egypt".
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What exactly do they mean by that? I mean I think I have an idea but you know a lot more
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ksucatinokc
GoPowercat Ring of Fame member
Well, Pooty knows that nobody is left to stop him... Reply
and liberals can laugh and laugh about how funny it is to think Russian is a threat to world security...right...remember that liberals?? Remember that idiot Palin talking about Russia being a threat to Ukraine back in 2008?? Remember mocking her??
Of course you don't...cuz it's so much more fun to make fun of people that worry about grown up problems...
Now get back to enjoying barrycare and the latest "Conservatives are da' devil" talking points!!!!
EMAW
Todd M.
3/2 8:37 PM | IP: Logged
ksucatinokc
GoPowercat Ring of Fame member
Re: Well, Pooty knows that nobody is left to stop him... Reply
To be honest, I'm a little curious what the teleprompter is going to tell barry to say about this extremely serious matter???
Will twenty-something speech writers save the day yet again??
Will John F-ing Kerry convince Pooty that he doesn't want to risk losing his precious seat at the Group of Eight nations table??? (GASP)
That's like telling barry he can't golf at his favorite courses...or...it might almost be as bad as telling barry he can't fill out an NCAA bracket and tell the world on ESPN!!!!!!!!! We are talking life changing stuff here!!!
EMAW
Todd M.
3/2 8:42 PM | IP: Logged
ksucatinokc
Re: Well, Pooty knows that nobody is left to stop him... Reply
LET THE APPEASEMENT BEGIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Todd M.
3/2 8:45 PM | IP: Logged
ksucatinokc
Re: Well, Pooty knows that nobody is left to stop him... Reply
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...this does not mean we "declare war on Russia" you f-ing idiots...
What it DOES mean is that the evil people in the world...like Pooty, Iran, and the Chicoms...(forget about the evil fools in the whitehouse for now)...now fully understand they face ZERO serious opposition of any kind.
America "has spoken" by reselecting barry...and we no longer have the will to matter or be relevant any longer. Everyone else in the world IS PAYING ATTENTION to our national suicide while the domestic fools cheer and marry gays while killing 55 million babies...YEAH!!!!!!
EMAW
Todd M.
3/2 8:53 PM | IP: Logged
Wildcatfarm
Re: Well, Pooty knows that nobody is left to stop him... Reply
Obama gives a 3 minute token speech about Ukraine, and then half an hour later across town says the following: "It's Friday, it's after 5, and that means happy hour in the Democrat party! I can do that, it's an executive order!"
How is Putin, the midget in N Korea, the Islams, or any of our enemies or potential enemies supposed to take this guy seriously? Hell, I can't even take him seriously.
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ksucatinokc
GoPowercat Ring of Fame member
Re: Well, Pooty knows that nobody is left to stop him... Reply
Sir, you have nailed the most important point...
We are officially a non-player internationally...and we will laugh and play...smoke pot and marry gays...until the world decides they want to pick our bones clean.
The ONE thing the feds are demanded to do by the once respected Constitution...they are refusing to do...provide for the common defense.
However, because idiots don't understand that if you reduce your military capacity today...you don't always get attacked TOMORROW...no one will "see it coming"...and they will be "SHOCKED" that we are attacked and can't properly defend ourselves.
EMAW
Todd M.
Once again, people who root for political wings like sports teams are awesome.
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Todd seems to think that gays getting married and abortion are a sign of weakness :dunno:
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Todd seems to think that gays getting married and abortion are a sign of weakness :dunno:
also pot
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Back in December Hagel told Russia in the first of what was too be regularly scheduled video conferences between the defense chiefs from the respective countries, that the US was going to deploy ABM systems in Europe.
Russia views that as an offensive threat to them.
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Todd obviously thinks that we should be taking our social behavior ques from Russia and our foreign policy from Palin.
He seems to look up to Putin and Palin. Now, that is a ticket that a red blooded conservative could mobilize and get behind.
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What's hilarious to me is that the majority of Americans simply have no glue as to the Geo-strategery that has evolved over the last 20 years and how a leader like Putin and a country like Russia are only going to be pushed so far before they start pushing back hard.
The even more laughable part to me is that the knee jerk right people who talk about Obama being weak, when it fact it's been Obama along with U.S. partners who have sharpened the sticks and have been poking the bear through the cage for years now.
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He seems to look up to Putin and Palin. Now, that is a ticket that a red blooded conservative could mobilize and get behind.
In fairness, that's a pretty goddamn sexy ticket.
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He seems to look up to Putin and Palin. Now, that is a ticket that a red blooded conservative could mobilize and get behind.
In fairness, that's a pretty goddamn sexy ticket.
yer darn putin
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He seems to look up to Putin and Palin. Now, that is a ticket that a red blooded conservative could mobilize and get behind.
In fairness, that's a pretty goddamn sexy ticket.
The commercials and marketing in general would be hilarious. I mean, the absolute best.
Topless Putin on a horse with Palin riding horse-shotgun with an actual shotgun.
Also, could have a tv commercial with Palin on her front porch reading, then she looks up and says "High, Vlad!(big grin and wave) then camera turns and shows Vlad across the cul-de-sac or something reminding how close Russia is to us.
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What's hilarious to me is that the majority of Americans simply have no glue as to the Geo-strategery that has evolved over the last 20 years and how a leader like Putin and a country like Russia are only going to be pushed so far before they start pushing back hard.
The even more laughable part to me is that the knee jerk right people who talk about Obama being weak, when it fact it's been Obama along with U.S. partners who have sharpened the sticks and have been poking the bear through the cage for years now.
i mostly agree with you. the EU and NATO have humiliated russia by capitalizing on its temporary weakness. putin's rise and actions have been predictable(not to me, but to people ranging from stephen cohen to pat buchanan). our foreign policy has remade an enemy out of the world's 2nd most dangerous country.
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America requires enemies. We'll always have them.
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LOL, Todd.
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CNN right now:
"President Obama warned today that if Moscow continues on this trajectory, The U.S. is examining a series of steps to 'isolate Russia'."
Welp.
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CNN right now:
"President Obama warned today that if Moscow continues on this trajectory, The U.S. is examining a series of steps to 'isolate Russia'."
Welp.
I wish they would isolate their spamming capabilities right rough ridin' now. :shakesfist:
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What's hilarious to me is that the majority of Americans simply have no glue as to the Geo-strategery that has evolved over the last 20 years and how a leader like Putin and a country like Russia are only going to be pushed so far before they start pushing back hard.
The even more laughable part to me is that the knee jerk right people who talk about Obama being weak, when it fact it's been Obama along with U.S. partners who have sharpened the sticks and have been poking the bear through the cage for years now.
i mostly agree with you. the EU and NATO have humiliated russia by capitalizing on its temporary weakness. putin's rise and actions have been predictable(not to me, but to people ranging from stephen cohen to pat buchanan). our foreign policy has remade an enemy out of the world's 2nd most dangerous country.
Our victory lap from the Cold War got a little excessive when we started egging their house and tipping over their trash.
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Maybe the 2nd Cold War will feature a race to Mars.
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Maybe the 2nd Cold War will feature a race to Mars.
This one would have a somewhat large role played by the Tea Party, so probably not.
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Maybe the 2nd Cold War will feature a race to Mars.
This one would have a somewhat large role played by the Tea Party, so probably not.
I've actually been thinking about how this one could (hopefully) play a roll in centering our political parties.
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Maybe the 2nd Cold War will feature a race to Mars.
This one would have a somewhat large role played by the Tea Party, so probably not.
I've actually been thinking about how this one could (hopefully) play a roll in centering our political parties.
There are people who think Russia is doing this because we allow abortions (which they do a lot) and let gays get married. I think it might make it worse.
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Maybe the 2nd Cold War will feature a race to Mars.
This one would have a somewhat large role played by the Tea Party, so probably not.
I've actually been thinking about how this one could (hopefully) play a roll in centering our political parties.
There are people who think Russia is doing this because we allow abortions (which they do a lot) and let gays get married. I think it might make it worse.
Todd is great entertainment, but to be fair, I think he is completely insane. I mean, I posted that entire thread. It looks like Todd was arguing with somebody and I only posted his responses, but there was nobody arguing with him. I think he was just fabricating an opposition in his head and then typing out his response.
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Maybe the 2nd Cold War will feature a race to Mars.
This one would have a somewhat large role played by the Tea Party, so probably not.
I've actually been thinking about how this one could (hopefully) play a roll in centering our political parties.
There are people who think Russia is doing this because we allow abortions (which they do a lot) and let gays get married. I think it might make it worse.
Todd is great entertainment, but to be fair, I think he is completely insane. I mean, I posted that entire thread. It looks like Todd was arguing with somebody and I only posted his responses, but there was nobody arguing with him. I think he was just fabricating an opposition in his head and then typing out his response.
I was wondering about that. Looking at the time stamp on his posts there couldn't have been time for someone to reply and then for him to reply back :sdeek:
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old putin is just trying to get the band back together. leave him alone.
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Why should I give a crap about Crimea? Is the new government of Ukraine more entitled to claim Crimea than Russia?
Crimea river am i rite?
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Someone in the locker room this morning brought up a good point: Why didn't Crimea and Eastern Ukraine just stay with Russia when the Soviet Union broke up?
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Someone in the locker room this morning brought up a good point: Why didn't Crimea and Eastern Ukraine just stay with Russia when the Soviet Union broke up?
the ussr gave crimea to ukraine in the 1950s for some reason.
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Someone in the locker room this morning brought up a good point: Why didn't Crimea and Eastern Ukraine just stay with Russia when the Soviet Union broke up?
the ussr gave crimea to ukraine in the 1950s for some reason.
so weird:
On 19 February 1954, the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the Soviet Union issued a decree transferring the Crimean Oblast from the RSFSR to the Ukrainian SSR.[27] The transfer of the Crimean Oblast to Ukraine has been described as a "symbolic gesture," marking the 300th anniversary of Ukraine becoming a part of the Russian Empire.[28][29] The General Secretary of the Communist Party in Soviet Union was at the time the Ukranian Nikita Khrushchev.
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stalin starved the crap out of the ukrainians in the 30s. he took the machinery ukraine needed for food production back to russia. maybe moscow felt bad for doing that?
Holodomor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor)
it's a wonder any eastern european is sane. generation after generation has lived through an endless chain of tortuous events.
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Nakita was a softee.
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stalin starved the crap out of the ukrainians in the 30s. he took the machinery ukraine needed for food production back to russia. maybe moscow felt bad for doing that?
Holodomor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor)
it's a wonder any eastern european is sane. generation after generation has lived through an endless chain of tortuous events.
Also, Chernobyl
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Someone in the locker room this morning brought up a good point: Why didn't Crimea and Eastern Ukraine just stay with Russia when the Soviet Union broke up?
the ussr gave crimea to ukraine in the 1950s for some reason.
so weird:
On 19 February 1954, the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the Soviet Union issued a decree transferring the Crimean Oblast from the RSFSR to the Ukrainian SSR.[27] The transfer of the Crimean Oblast to Ukraine has been described as a "symbolic gesture," marking the 300th anniversary of Ukraine becoming a part of the Russian Empire.[28][29] The General Secretary of the Communist Party in Soviet Union was at the time the Ukranian Nikita Khrushchev.
I think that may have been during the De-Stalinization period.
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So Crimea parliment voted to leave Ukraine and rejoin Russia, which now goes to a general public vote. My question is what happens if the general public votes to leave Ukraine and join Russia? Can't imagine that Ukraine would just happily give away an area with natural gas resources and access to the black sea.
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WTF is Ukraine going to do about it? They just turned their entire Gov. over with no vote.
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WTF is Ukraine going to do about it? They just turned their entire Gov. over with no vote.
Burn crap
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Welp, Russia just got even bigger. And our weakling in chief's plan is, evidently, to send John Kerry :lol: to deliver an ultimatum they have no intention of following through with. In other words, we're not going to do a damned thing. USA! Diplomacy!
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That thug stole Robert krafts Super Bowl ring and has been shoving us in lockers and giving us swirlies ever since. What a bully.
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Welp, Russia just got even bigger. And our weakling in chief's plan is, evidently, to send John Kerry :lol: to deliver an ultimatum they have no intention of following through with. In other words, we're not going to do a damned thing. USA! Diplomacy!
what is your 5 point plan
please give us details about your extensive FP experience
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Welp, Russia just got even bigger. And our weakling in chief's plan is, evidently, to send John Kerry :lol: to deliver an ultimatum they have no intention of following through with. In other words, we're not going to do a damned thing. USA! Diplomacy!
what is your 5 point plan
please give us details about your extensive FP experience
I think we need to get bigger too. Take over British Columbia or something. Gotta keep up.
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If they vote to go and russia wants them, I don't see what the big deal is. Obviously Ukraine has nothing to offer Crimea.
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If they vote to go and russia wants them, I don't see what the big deal is. Obviously Ukraine has nothing to offer Crimea.
Whatever, Obama.
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anyone else not really care about this? I mean who cares about Ukraine? Why should I care?
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Welp, Russia just got even bigger. And our weakling in chief's plan is, evidently, to send John Kerry :lol: to deliver an ultimatum they have no intention of following through with. In other words, we're not going to do a damned thing. USA! Diplomacy!
mods, pls change this guy's custom title to "a breitbart.com talking point" tia
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Welp, Russia just got even bigger. And our weakling in chief's plan is, evidently, to send John Kerry :lol: to deliver an ultimatum they have no intention of following through with. In other words, we're not going to do a damned thing. USA! Diplomacy!
what is your 5 point plan
please give us details about your extensive FP experience
I think we need to get bigger too. Take over British Columbia or something. Gotta keep up.
would take
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:drool:
Welp, Russia just got even bigger. And our weakling in chief's plan is, evidently, to send John Kerry :lol: to deliver an ultimatum they have no intention of following through with. In other words, we're not going to do a damned thing. USA! Diplomacy!
They didn't do a dam thing when we invaded Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Afghanistn, or Iraq.
So maybe they're the rough ridin' pussys
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Welp, Russia just got even bigger. And our weakling in chief's plan is, evidently, to send John Kerry :lol: to deliver an ultimatum they have no intention of following through with. In other words, we're not going to do a damned thing. USA! Diplomacy!
what is your 5 point plan
please give us details about your extensive FP experience
I think we need to get bigger too. Take over British Columbia or something. Gotta keep up.
Baja Mexico would be great. Cabo without a passport!
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Welp, Russia just got even bigger. And our weakling in chief's plan is, evidently, to send John Kerry :lol: to deliver an ultimatum they have no intention of following through with. In other words, we're not going to do a damned thing. USA! Diplomacy!
what is your 5 point plan
please give us details about your extensive FP experience
I think we need to get bigger too. Take over British Columbia or something. Gotta keep up.
Baja Mexico would be great. Cabo without a passport!
I like were both of your heads are but baja mexico is basically lubbock and BC is a repeat of the pacific NW.
Ima throw a wildcard out there....Cuba
1. MOAR BEACHES
2. They used to be the USSR's BFF, would be a real FU to putin.
3. We could finally turn Havana into the Vegas of the south.
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Welp, Russia just got even bigger. And our weakling in chief's plan is, evidently, to send John Kerry :lol: to deliver an ultimatum they have no intention of following through with. In other words, we're not going to do a damned thing. USA! Diplomacy!
what is your 5 point plan
please give us details about your extensive FP experience
I think we need to get bigger too. Take over British Columbia or something. Gotta keep up.
Baja Mexico would be great. Cabo without a passport!
I like were both of your heads are but baja mexico is basically lubbock and BC is a repeat of the pacific NW.
Ima throw a wildcard out there....Cuba
1. MOAR BEACHES
2. They used to be the USSR's BFF, would be a real FU to putin.
3. We could finally turn Havana into the Vegas of the south.
I like this idea.
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Welp, Russia just got even bigger. And our weakling in chief's plan is, evidently, to send John Kerry :lol: to deliver an ultimatum they have no intention of following through with. In other words, we're not going to do a damned thing. USA! Diplomacy!
what is your 5 point plan
please give us details about your extensive FP experience
I think we need to get bigger too. Take over British Columbia or something. Gotta keep up.
Baja Mexico would be great. Cabo without a passport!
I like were both of your heads are but baja mexico is basically lubbock and BC is a repeat of the pacific NW.
Ima throw a wildcard out there....Cuba
1. MOAR BEACHES
2. They used to be the USSR's BFF, would be a real FU to putin.
3. We could finally turn Havana into the Vegas of the south.
Scrap my idea. Going with Ben ji on this one.
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Yucatan, guys. It's already built up. It would be like MX flipped it for us.
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I'd like to see us grab a strip of land to connect the continental US with Alaska. No big reason but it would save some people the hassle of customs. After that I think I'd prefer Cuba, Iceland, and Corsica/Monaco in that order.
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Welp, Russia just got even bigger. And our weakling in chief's plan is, evidently, to send John Kerry :lol: to deliver an ultimatum they have no intention of following through with. In other words, we're not going to do a damned thing. USA! Diplomacy!
what is your 5 point plan
please give us details about your extensive FP experience
I answered this very question a few pages back. Unfortunately, we've dithered so long that we're now past the point of even freezing assets. Most have already been moved.
The truth is, Obama DNGAF and it's easier to simply ignore Russia expanding its spere of influence to the point of actually annexing territory.
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:drool:Welp, Russia just got even bigger. And our weakling in chief's plan is, evidently, to send John Kerry :lol: to deliver an ultimatum they have no intention of following through with. In other words, we're not going to do a damned thing. USA! Diplomacy!
They didn't do a dam thing when we invaded Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Afghanistn, or Iraq.
So maybe they're the rough ridin' pussys
Comparisons like this are hilarious, but it's also sad to think that, deep down, Obama probably shares the same libtarded logic but would never admit it.
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:drool:Welp, Russia just got even bigger. And our weakling in chief's plan is, evidently, to send John Kerry :lol: to deliver an ultimatum they have no intention of following through with. In other words, we're not going to do a damned thing. USA! Diplomacy!
They didn't do a dam thing when we invaded Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Afghanistn, or Iraq.
So maybe they're the rough ridin' pussys
Comparisons like this are hilarious, but it's also sad to think that, deep down, Obama probably shares the same libtarded logic but would never admit it.
What's so hilarious about it?
We can invade and they can't just because were the "good guys".
Guess what KSU we're not the good guys, we just wear that moniker to gain more access to resources and make defense pigs some cash.
Sorry you can't get your head out of Reagans dead ass.
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:drool:Welp, Russia just got even bigger. And our weakling in chief's plan is, evidently, to send John Kerry :lol: to deliver an ultimatum they have no intention of following through with. In other words, we're not going to do a damned thing. USA! Diplomacy!
They didn't do a dam thing when we invaded Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Afghanistn, or Iraq.
So maybe they're the rough ridin' pussys
Comparisons like this are hilarious, but it's also sad to think that, deep down, Obama probably shares the same libtarded logic but would never admit it.
What's so hilarious about it?
We can invade and they can't just because were the "good guys".
Guess what KSU we're not the good guys, we just wear that moniker to gain more access to resources and make defense pigs some cash.
Sorry you can't get your head out of Reagans dead ass.
Almost positive this is not a sock. Thanks for sharing how deeply your anti-American sentiments go.
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Welp, Russia just got even bigger. And our weakling in chief's plan is, evidently, to send John Kerry :lol: to deliver an ultimatum they have no intention of following through with. In other words, we're not going to do a damned thing. USA! Diplomacy!
what is your 5 point plan
please give us details about your extensive FP experience
I answered this very question a few pages back. Unfortunately, we've dithered so long that we're now past the point of even freezing assets. Most have already been moved.
The truth is, Obama DNGAF and it's easier to simply ignore Russia expanding its spere of influence to the point of actually annexing territory.
I would love to take you seriously if you knew how to spell sphere.
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:drool:Welp, Russia just got even bigger. And our weakling in chief's plan is, evidently, to send John Kerry :lol: to deliver an ultimatum they have no intention of following through with. In other words, we're not going to do a damned thing. USA! Diplomacy!
They didn't do a dam thing when we invaded Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Afghanistn, or Iraq.
So maybe they're the rough ridin' pussys
Comparisons like this are hilarious, but it's also sad to think that, deep down, Obama probably shares the same libtarded logic but would never admit it.
What's so hilarious about it?
We can invade and they can't just because were the "good guys".
Guess what KSU we're not the good guys, we just wear that moniker to gain more access to resources and make defense pigs some cash.
Sorry you can't get your head out of Reagans dead ass.
Almost positive this is not a sock. Thanks for sharing how deeply your anti-American sentiments go.
This is the exact type of attitude that makes intelligent conversation on America's role in world affairs impossible to have. If you say that America shouldn't be going into other countries under the guise of giving freedom, you are labeled anti-American.
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Welp, Russia just got even bigger. And our weakling in chief's plan is, evidently, to send John Kerry :lol: to deliver an ultimatum they have no intention of following through with. In other words, we're not going to do a damned thing. USA! Diplomacy!
what is your 5 point plan
please give us details about your extensive FP experience
I answered this very question a few pages back. Unfortunately, we've dithered so long that we're now past the point of even freezing assets. Most have already been moved.
The truth is, Obama DNGAF and it's easier to simply ignore Russia expanding its spere of influence to the point of actually annexing territory.
I would love to take you seriously if you knew how to spell sphere.
Spear?
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:drool:Welp, Russia just got even bigger. And our weakling in chief's plan is, evidently, to send John Kerry :lol: to deliver an ultimatum they have no intention of following through with. In other words, we're not going to do a damned thing. USA! Diplomacy!
They didn't do a dam thing when we invaded Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Afghanistn, or Iraq.
So maybe they're the rough ridin' pussys
Comparisons like this are hilarious, but it's also sad to think that, deep down, Obama probably shares the same libtarded logic but would never admit it.
What's so hilarious about it?
We can invade and they can't just because were the "good guys".
Guess what KSU we're not the good guys, we just wear that moniker to gain more access to resources and make defense pigs some cash.
Sorry you can't get your head out of Reagans dead ass.
Almost positive this is not a sock. Thanks for sharing how deeply your anti-American sentiments go.
Pretty sure this KSU guy has been hoodwinked re: the history of US foreign policy.
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Welp, Russia just got even bigger. And our weakling in chief's plan is, evidently, to send John Kerry :lol: to deliver an ultimatum they have no intention of following through with. In other words, we're not going to do a damned thing. USA! Diplomacy!
what is your 5 point plan
please give us details about your extensive FP experience
I answered this very question a few pages back. Unfortunately, we've dithered so long that we're now past the point of even freezing assets. Most have already been moved.
The truth is, Obama DNGAF and it's easier to simply ignore Russia expanding its spere of influence to the point of actually annexing territory.
Find it and repost your answers.
Here is what we know
Obama has positioned crap tons of ABM systems in Eastern Europe which has scared the crap out of the Russians
Obama has allowed military maneuvers to proceed with Poland and the United States Navy, specifically boats like the USS Truxtun (an Arleigh Burke, not some POS about to be de-commed tug boat)
Obama has deployed US aircraft, such as AWACS, to Lithuania as part of NATO patrol ops to cover Poland, Lithuania, and Romania.
So tell me how Obama isn't sending a bit of a message? Maybe because he isn't stroking himself off on some foxnews panel circle jerking about how Reagan was tough on the Russians you missed the actions he has already taken. At this point what can the US legally do? At a certain point this isn't America's problem, its western Europe's issue. They need to take the lead in this. If our allies are attacked than I know we will respond as long as your chicken hawks Republican demigods don't get in the way.
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I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it.
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Welp, Russia just got even bigger. And our weakling in chief's plan is, evidently, to send John Kerry :lol: to deliver an ultimatum they have no intention of following through with. In other words, we're not going to do a damned thing. USA! Diplomacy!
what is your 5 point plan
please give us details about your extensive FP experience
I answered this very question a few pages back. Unfortunately, we've dithered so long that we're now past the point of even freezing assets. Most have already been moved.
The truth is, Obama DNGAF and it's easier to simply ignore Russia expanding its spere of influence to the point of actually annexing territory.
I would love to take you seriously if you knew how to spell sphere.
Spear?
Well duh. Of course I meant to say spear of influence. We all know that's the phrase. A spear is pointy and influential.
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I really like thinking of the US spear of influence.
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I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it.
protip: when "freedom" is used as a rationale it is a good indication that there isn't much of one to begin with.
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Welp, Russia just got even bigger. And our weakling in chief's plan is, evidently, to send John Kerry :lol: to deliver an ultimatum they have no intention of following through with. In other words, we're not going to do a damned thing. USA! Diplomacy!
what is your 5 point plan
please give us details about your extensive FP experience
I answered this very question a few pages back. Unfortunately, we've dithered so long that we're now past the point of even freezing assets. Most have already been moved.
The truth is, Obama DNGAF and it's easier to simply ignore Russia expanding its spere of influence to the point of actually annexing territory.
I would love to take you seriously if you knew how to spell sphere.
Spear?
Well duh. Of course I meant to say spear of influence. We all know that's the phrase. A spear is pointy and influential.
Plus Putin
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Like I said earlier, we poked the bear with the spear (yep, I did it) long enough and now the bear is biting back.
Because most American's don't pay attention and/or believe everything that its politicians tell them. So that's why we get all the knee jerk idiots who want WWII. They don't understand that we have been off the road of communist containment and on the road of Russian encirclement since the Berlin Wall came down. We've done it under many guises; from economics, to stopping terrorism, to stopping ethnic cleansing. But at some point, you start running out of cover stories.
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You're busted, America!
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I really like thinking of the US spear of influence.
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Same. Poke that bear.
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You're busted, America!
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Pretty much. The gig is up. Vlad Putin has put you on notice bro.
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I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it.
protip: when "freedom" is used as a rationale it is a good indication that there isn't much of one to begin with.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstream1.gifsoup.com%2Fview2%2F4286518%2Fflew-over-your-head-o.gif&hash=8f89b6fa024d01beb65165322e10fc09d605e816)
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Russian markets rallied today after investors saw the extent of Obama's "sanctions." :lol: Time for another warning!!
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What do you want K-S-U? World War III?
It is pretty funny how hard the Russians are clowning the U.S. and Obama here.
When you've invaded 2 countries in the last 15 years (Iraq and Afghanistan), orchestrated the overthrow of another regime using Intelligence operatives and direct military assets (Libya), trying to orchestrate the overthrow of yet another regime (Syria), prosecuted a world wide robotic killing and state sanctioned assassination campaign (drone wars) . . . and in the last 20 years engaged in a nearly 3 month long bombing campaign that didn't comply with the charter of your longest running self-defense charter/alliance, with no UN mandate, nor a mandate from your very own governing body/legislature etc. etc. etc.
It's a little hard to have a leg to stand on in regards to Russia and the Ukraine.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/18/us-ukraine-crisis-putin-usa-idUSBREA2H0TE20140318
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What do you want K-S-U? World War III?
It is pretty funny how hard the Russians are clowning the U.S. and Obama here.
When you've invaded 2 countries in the last 15 years (Iraq and Afghanistan), orchestrated the overthrow of another regime using Intelligence operatives and direct military assets (Libya), trying to orchestrate the overthrow of yet another regime (Syria), prosecuted a world wide robotic killing and state sanctioned assassination campaign (drone wars) . . . and in the last 20 years engaged in a nearly 3 month long bombing campaign that didn't comply with the charter of your longest running self-defense charter/alliance, with no UN mandate, nor a mandate from your very own governing body/legislature etc. etc. etc.
It's a little hard to have a leg to stand on in regards to Russia and the Ukraine.
:facepalm:
Its sad that the radical right is now slandering the US for political hay.
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What do you want K-S-U? World War III?
It is pretty funny how hard the Russians are clowning the U.S. and Obama here.
When you've invaded 2 countries in the last 15 years (Iraq and Afghanistan), orchestrated the overthrow of another regime using Intelligence operatives and direct military assets (Libya), trying to orchestrate the overthrow of yet another regime (Syria), prosecuted a world wide robotic killing and state sanctioned assassination campaign (drone wars) . . . and in the last 20 years engaged in a nearly 3 month long bombing campaign that didn't comply with the charter of your longest running self-defense charter/alliance, with no UN mandate, nor a mandate from your very own governing body/legislature etc. etc. etc.
It's a little hard to have a leg to stand on in regards to Russia and the Ukraine.
:facepalm:
Its sad that the radical right is now slandering the US for political hay.
:jerk: :jerk: :jerk: :jerk: typical edn
I am slandering for stating reality? What part of that is slander? There weren't CIA Special Operations Teams on the ground, US Drones overhead, US F-15E's flying sorties in Libya? When they captured MQ the CIA operations teams, the CIA's handpicked Libyan "rebel" military leaders, U.S. drones and US/NATO War planes were all involved. That didn't happen?
Which NATO country was attacked by the former Yugoslavia? Where was the UN Mandate? Where was the Congressional Mandate?
Explain yourself.
Clearly it's a "radical right wing" comment to chastise people who want to start WWIII.
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Ukraine, a new and important space on the Eurasian chessboard, is a geopolitical pivot because its very existence as an independent country helps to transform Russia. Without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be a Eurasian empire . ..
However, if Moscow regains control over Ukraine, with its 52 million people and major resources as well as access to the Black Sea, Russia automatically again regains the wherewithal to become a powerful imperial state, spanning Europe and Asia. . . .
. . .it is imperative that no Eurasian challenger emerges, capable of dominating Eurasia and thus also of challenging America . . .
Zbigniew Brzezinski, The Grand Chessboard
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Late last year when Ukraine’s now-ousted president Viktor Yanukovych surprisingly canceled plans for Ukrainian integration into the European Union in favor of stronger ties with Russia, the US may have viewed Ukraine as slipping even further out of its reach.
At that point, with the pieces already in place, the US moved to support the ousting of Yanukovych, as evidenced by the leaked phone conversation between US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland [arch-Neocon Robert Kagan's wife] and US Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt. When peaceful protests were not effective in unseating Yanukovych, the violence of the ultra-nationalist Svoboda party and Right Sector was embraced, if not supported by the west.
In today’s Ukraine, the US runs the risk of being affiliated with anti-Semitic neo-Nazis, a prospect it probably feels can be controlled via a friendly western media. But even if the risk is high, the US likely views it as necessary given the geopolitical importance of Ukraine, as Brzezinski mapped out in 1997.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/03/president-obamas-former-foreign-policy-adviser-said-1997-u-s-gain-control-ukraine.html
http://original.antiwar.com/Chris_Ernesto/2014/03/14/brzezinski-mapped-out-the-battle-for-ukraine-in-1997/
That would be great I think to help glue this thing and have the UN glue it and you know, eff the EU,“ she says, in an apparent reference to differences over their policies.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/06/us-ukraine-russia-eu-victoria-nuland
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First off your position on Libya and Syria is the same tired racist talking point that have been recycled for years. Its sad that your side can't imagine rational actors who aren't white acting in their own self interests. Just because they are brown doesn't mean they can't rebel against their dictators.
Second, you really want to bring Yugo into this? Possibly the best example of intervention working in the modern era?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_War#UN.2C_NATO.2C_and_OSCE_.281998.E2.80.931999.29
http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N99/172/89/PDF/N9917289.pdf?OpenElement
And I'm right there with you on wanting WWIII, right now. But what people have to realize is that there are centuries of principles resting on these decisions. Are we, as the "West" willing to allow hundreds of years of western statecraft to be dismantled by these actions. People need to step outside of their own rigidly constructed, self interested, paradigms and realize some of these acts are tearing down the foundations of the modern western world. The more we allow rogue states to annex countries, indiscriminately use WMDs, and commit genocide the more our principles and moral standards shatter. That is a huge threat to the legitimacy and standing of the West in the world.
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First off your position on Libya and Syria is the same tired racist talking point that have been recycled for years. Its sad that your side can't imagine rational actors who aren't white acting in their own self interests. Just because they are brown doesn't mean they can't rebel against their dictators.
Second, you really want to bring Yugo into this? Possibly the best example of intervention working in the modern era?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_War#UN.2C_NATO.2C_and_OSCE_.281998.E2.80.931999.29
http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N99/172/89/PDF/N9917289.pdf?OpenElement
And I'm right there with you on wanting WWIII, right now. But what people have to realize is that there are centuries of principles resting on these decisions. Are we, as the "West" willing to allow hundreds of years of western statecraft to be dismantled by these actions. People need to step outside of their own rigidly constructed, self interested, paradigms and realize some of these acts are tearing down the foundations of the modern western world. The more we allow rogue states to annex countries, indiscriminately use WMDs, and commit genocide the more our principles and moral standards shatter. That is a huge threat to the legitimacy and standing of the West in the world.
Only you would even bring the race element into play on a topic like Libya, the ultimate strawman. You simply cannot dispute the reality that Libya was a NATO/US/Western Intelligence operation with the various entities within that domain fermenting the unrest in that country.
When the Clinton administration was attacking a sovereign nation, sending in the CIA to train and support entities with clear and indisputable ties to radical Islam and Iran, when Maddie Albright is hugging all over thugs every bit as horrible as Milosevic etc. etc. etc. When the "Balkanization" then occurred and within a very short time frame the various newly created nations start aligning themselves with NATO, the whole selling point for the illegal operation gets tossed out the window entirely. It was a sham.
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Late last year when Ukraine’s now-ousted president Viktor Yanukovych surprisingly canceled plans for Ukrainian integration into the European Union in favor of stronger ties with Russia, the US may have viewed Ukraine as slipping even further out of its reach.
At that point, with the pieces already in place, the US moved to support the ousting of Yanukovych, as evidenced by the leaked phone conversation between US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland [arch-Neocon Robert Kagan's wife] and US Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt. When peaceful protests were not effective in unseating Yanukovych, the violence of the ultra-nationalist Svoboda party and Right Sector was embraced, if not supported by the west.
In today’s Ukraine, the US runs the risk of being affiliated with anti-Semitic neo-Nazis, a prospect it probably feels can be controlled via a friendly western media. But even if the risk is high, the US likely views it as necessary given the geopolitical importance of Ukraine, as Brzezinski mapped out in 1997.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/03/president-obamas-former-foreign-policy-adviser-said-1997-u-s-gain-control-ukraine.html
http://original.antiwar.com/Chris_Ernesto/2014/03/14/brzezinski-mapped-out-the-battle-for-ukraine-in-1997/
That would be great I think to help glue this thing and have the UN glue it and you know, eff the EU,“ she says, in an apparent reference to differences over their policies.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/06/us-ukraine-russia-eu-victoria-nuland
awful reporting and damn near a lie in the timeline. The phone call, which was leaked by the Russians on twitter, came well AFTER the protests were bloody within the last month and half , see the references to Klitschko as a successor.
And the points about the Right Sector are totally wrong as the party leadership doesn't control what the party has been doing, so much so that they have been pushed out to other further right groups. Instead the Right Sector is best described as a nationalist group, well short of their neo-fascist roots. The reason for this is that they used violence after the state attempted to crush the protests with force. Through their own physical action against the state they actually moved further left by incorporating more moderate groups.
The points about neo-nazis are just straight away based on stupidity and a totally lack of journalistic responsibility. I thought I posted Timothy Snyder's piece about this, but anyone who believes this talking point is taking their orders straight from Moscow. Snyder totally destroys that talking point.
Back to the Nuland thing, you've once again totally destroyed your credibility by taking her quote out of context. That was a call to action since the Germans were totally against moving to aide the Ukrainians. It was an off the cuff response based in frustration. If you'd heard the comment in the entire segment released you'd know what she meant.
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First off your position on Libya and Syria is the same tired racist talking point that have been recycled for years. Its sad that your side can't imagine rational actors who aren't white acting in their own self interests. Just because they are brown doesn't mean they can't rebel against their dictators.
Second, you really want to bring Yugo into this? Possibly the best example of intervention working in the modern era?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_War#UN.2C_NATO.2C_and_OSCE_.281998.E2.80.931999.29
http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N99/172/89/PDF/N9917289.pdf?OpenElement
And I'm right there with you on wanting WWIII, right now. But what people have to realize is that there are centuries of principles resting on these decisions. Are we, as the "West" willing to allow hundreds of years of western statecraft to be dismantled by these actions. People need to step outside of their own rigidly constructed, self interested, paradigms and realize some of these acts are tearing down the foundations of the modern western world. The more we allow rogue states to annex countries, indiscriminately use WMDs, and commit genocide the more our principles and moral standards shatter. That is a huge threat to the legitimacy and standing of the West in the world.
Only you would even bring the race element into play on a topic like Libya, the ultimate strawman. You simply cannot dispute the reality that Libya was a NATO/US/Western Intelligence operation with the various entities within that domain fermenting the unrest in that country.
When the Clinton administration was attacking a sovereign nation, sending in the CIA to train and support entities with clear and indisputable ties to radical Islam and Iran, when Maddie Albright is hugging all over thugs every bit as horrible as Milosevic etc. etc. etc. When the "Balkanization" then occurred and within a very short time frame the various newly created nations start aligning themselves with NATO, the whole selling point for the illegal operation gets tossed out the window entirely. It was a sham.
yeah I'm totally bringing race into the discussion when your neo-con/neo-libertarianism fails to realize that brown people can be rational actors. yes they can act to overthrow their governments and their actions don't always have to be promoted by someone from the West forcing them to act. There is well documented history here that those were organically grown movements, not the CIA ops of the 70s and 80s. I'm stopping there because I do think the US saw an opportunity to support change, but this prison planet racism that only the West can be actors in these events has to be called out.
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Context or not, you can hear the desperation in Nuland and the U.S. that things weren't going the way the U.S. wanted.
In terms of the neo nazi sliver of a talking point, I probably should have left that out, because I should have known it would be seized upon by opportunitistic left/right paradigm apologists . . . like you. In the grand scheme of the situation, it's pretty much utterly immaterial.
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Context or not, you can hear the desperation in Nuland and the U.S. that things weren't going the way the U.S. wanted.
In terms of the neo nazi sliver of a talking point, I probably should have left that out, because I should have known it would be seized upon by opportunitistic left/right paradigm apologists . . . like you. In the grand scheme of the situation, it's pretty much utterly immaterial.
Yeah that isn't desperation, its frustration, which was totally warranted. *waits for you to make a Hilary crying crack, women can't lead*
And the neo-nazi talking point shouldn't be left out in this discussion. Its important to see how Ukraine is being portrayed by the Russians and other people who are too lazy to educate themselves. Yes Ukraine has some fascist elements, but we should also realize that there is an extremely fluid situation in Ukraine. Its important to understand to prevent the extreme right coming to power in a nationalist struggle. But I think you totally glossed over my comments here with your left/right apologist crack, just as you will gloss over this to fit me into your liberal paradigm.
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First off your position on Libya and Syria is the same tired racist talking point that have been recycled for years. Its sad that your side can't imagine rational actors who aren't white acting in their own self interests. Just because they are brown doesn't mean they can't rebel against their dictators.
Second, you really want to bring Yugo into this? Possibly the best example of intervention working in the modern era?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_War#UN.2C_NATO.2C_and_OSCE_.281998.E2.80.931999.29
http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N99/172/89/PDF/N9917289.pdf?OpenElement
And I'm right there with you on wanting WWIII, right now. But what people have to realize is that there are centuries of principles resting on these decisions. Are we, as the "West" willing to allow hundreds of years of western statecraft to be dismantled by these actions. People need to step outside of their own rigidly constructed, self interested, paradigms and realize some of these acts are tearing down the foundations of the modern western world. The more we allow rogue states to annex countries, indiscriminately use WMDs, and commit genocide the more our principles and moral standards shatter. That is a huge threat to the legitimacy and standing of the West in the world.
Only you would even bring the race element into play on a topic like Libya, the ultimate strawman. You simply cannot dispute the reality that Libya was a NATO/US/Western Intelligence operation with the various entities within that domain fermenting the unrest in that country.
When the Clinton administration was attacking a sovereign nation, sending in the CIA to train and support entities with clear and indisputable ties to radical Islam and Iran, when Maddie Albright is hugging all over thugs every bit as horrible as Milosevic etc. etc. etc. When the "Balkanization" then occurred and within a very short time frame the various newly created nations start aligning themselves with NATO, the whole selling point for the illegal operation gets tossed out the window entirely. It was a sham.
yeah I'm totally bringing race into the discussion when your neo-con/neo-libertarianism fails to realize that brown people can be rational actors. yes they can act to overthrow their governments and their actions don't always have to be promoted by someone from the West forcing them to act. There is well documented history here that those were organically grown movements, not the CIA ops of the 70s and 80s. I'm stopping there because I do think the US saw an opportunity to support change, but this prison planet racism that only the West can be actors in these events has to be called out.
But that's a completely immaterial straw man, bridge to nowhere talking point. (so being against wars of US hegemony makes me a Neo-Con? Fascinating, how do you even discuss this with someone who invokes that kind of idiocy?). To say there were "homegrown" entities within Libya wanting to overthrow the MQ regime is the Captain Obvious talking point of the century. Hey, guess what, there's entities within the United States who want to overthrow the U.S. Gov't (just a comment NSA, so relax). For you to leisurely dismiss what the West/NATO/US did in Libya as mere opportunism is laughable and deserves no further commentary, just as your invocation of racism deserves no further commentary.
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Context or not, you can hear the desperation in Nuland and the U.S. that things weren't going the way the U.S. wanted.
In terms of the neo nazi sliver of a talking point, I probably should have left that out, because I should have known it would be seized upon by opportunitistic left/right paradigm apologists . . . like you. In the grand scheme of the situation, it's pretty much utterly immaterial.
Yeah that isn't desperation, its frustration, which was totally warranted. *waits for you to make a Hilary crying crack, women can't lead*
And the neo-nazi talking point shouldn't be left out in this discussion. Its important to see how Ukraine is being portrayed by the Russians and other people who are too lazy to educate themselves. Yes Ukraine has some fascist elements, but we should also realize that there is an extremely fluid situation in Ukraine. Its important to understand to prevent the extreme right coming to power in a nationalist struggle. But I think you totally glossed over my comments here with your left/right apologist crack, just as you will gloss over this to fit me into your liberal paradigm.
So now it's sexism? Your tank is empty, you've got nothing left at this juncture. Pathetic.
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Context or not, you can hear the desperation in Nuland and the U.S. that things weren't going the way the U.S. wanted.
In terms of the neo nazi sliver of a talking point, I probably should have left that out, because I should have known it would be seized upon by opportunitistic left/right paradigm apologists . . . like you. In the grand scheme of the situation, it's pretty much utterly immaterial.
Yeah that isn't desperation, its frustration, which was totally warranted. *waits for you to make a Hilary crying crack, women can't lead*
And the neo-nazi talking point shouldn't be left out in this discussion. Its important to see how Ukraine is being portrayed by the Russians and other people who are too lazy to educate themselves. Yes Ukraine has some fascist elements, but we should also realize that there is an extremely fluid situation in Ukraine. Its important to understand to prevent the extreme right coming to power in a nationalist struggle. But I think you totally glossed over my comments here with your left/right apologist crack, just as you will gloss over this to fit me into your liberal paradigm.
So now it's sexism? Your tank is empty, you've got nothing left at this juncture. Pathetic.
Yeah that was just a check to see if you had any actual critique of my points or if you were just running off talking points.
And yeah it is sexist you say the woman is in desperation when the man isn't, even though he sounds just as unnerved.
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First off your position on Libya and Syria is the same tired racist talking point that have been recycled for years. Its sad that your side can't imagine rational actors who aren't white acting in their own self interests. Just because they are brown doesn't mean they can't rebel against their dictators.
Second, you really want to bring Yugo into this? Possibly the best example of intervention working in the modern era?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_War#UN.2C_NATO.2C_and_OSCE_.281998.E2.80.931999.29
http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N99/172/89/PDF/N9917289.pdf?OpenElement
And I'm right there with you on wanting WWIII, right now. But what people have to realize is that there are centuries of principles resting on these decisions. Are we, as the "West" willing to allow hundreds of years of western statecraft to be dismantled by these actions. People need to step outside of their own rigidly constructed, self interested, paradigms and realize some of these acts are tearing down the foundations of the modern western world. The more we allow rogue states to annex countries, indiscriminately use WMDs, and commit genocide the more our principles and moral standards shatter. That is a huge threat to the legitimacy and standing of the West in the world.
Only you would even bring the race element into play on a topic like Libya, the ultimate strawman. You simply cannot dispute the reality that Libya was a NATO/US/Western Intelligence operation with the various entities within that domain fermenting the unrest in that country.
When the Clinton administration was attacking a sovereign nation, sending in the CIA to train and support entities with clear and indisputable ties to radical Islam and Iran, when Maddie Albright is hugging all over thugs every bit as horrible as Milosevic etc. etc. etc. When the "Balkanization" then occurred and within a very short time frame the various newly created nations start aligning themselves with NATO, the whole selling point for the illegal operation gets tossed out the window entirely. It was a sham.
yeah I'm totally bringing race into the discussion when your neo-con/neo-libertarianism fails to realize that brown people can be rational actors. yes they can act to overthrow their governments and their actions don't always have to be promoted by someone from the West forcing them to act. There is well documented history here that those were organically grown movements, not the CIA ops of the 70s and 80s. I'm stopping there because I do think the US saw an opportunity to support change, but this prison planet racism that only the West can be actors in these events has to be called out.
But that's a completely immaterial straw man, bridge to nowhere talking point. (so being against wars of US hegemony makes me a Neo-Con? Fascinating, how do you even discuss this with someone who invokes that kind of idiocy?). To say there were "homegrown" entities within Libya wanting to overthrow the MQ regime is the Captain Obvious talking point of the century. Hey, guess what, there's entities within the United States who want to overthrow the U.S. Gov't (just a comment NSA, so relax). For you to leisurely dismiss what the West/NATO/US did in Libya as mere opportunism is laughable and deserves no further commentary, just as your invocation of racism deserves no further commentary.
I didn't leisurely dismiss it, I ended my point there. The amount of time, resources, and military expenditure clearly shows that it wasn't a mere opportunist action. It was a calculated risk to jumpstart a home grown rebellion. There were some dramatic miscalculations and misconceptions, I grant that totally, but this wasn't what you want it to be, a CIA op of the 70s and 80s (once again).
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do we hate russia even if it is no longer the communist version of the vatican? i thought that had a lot to do with the last go round?
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can edn and dax be banned from this thread?
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do we hate russia even if it is no longer the communist version of the vatican? i thought that had a lot to do with the last go round?
This doesn't make sense...are you trying to talk about Solidarity?
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1 dead Ukrainian soldier
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/ukraine-says-conflict-with-russia-entering-military-stage-after-officer-reportedly-shot-in-crimea/story-fni0xs61-1226858598948
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:popcorn:
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:popcorn:
To be clear this was for the battle of words between Dax and EDN, not the dead Ukrainian soldier. All though, if a Ukrainian was killed by Russian forces, the popcorn may be appropriate.
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I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it.
:love:
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:popcorn:
To be clear this was for the battle of words between Dax and EDN, not the dead Ukrainian soldier. All though, if a Ukrainian was killed by Russian forces, the popcorn may be appropriate.
Unsure if Russian forces or Russian backed militias
and Russia has surprised the world and announced, yes those were indeed Russian soldiers all over the region.
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What did Putin say to Obama when he demanded that Russian troops leave the Ukraine?
Crimea river
I JUST THOUGHT OF THIS AND MADE IT UP. AWESOME.
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First off your position on Libya and Syria is the same tired racist talking point that have been recycled for years. Its sad that your side can't imagine rational actors who aren't white acting in their own self interests. Just because they are brown doesn't mean they can't rebel against their dictators.
Second, you really want to bring Yugo into this? Possibly the best example of intervention working in the modern era?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_War#UN.2C_NATO.2C_and_OSCE_.281998.E2.80.931999.29
http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N99/172/89/PDF/N9917289.pdf?OpenElement
And I'm right there with you on wanting WWIII, right now. But what people have to realize is that there are centuries of principles resting on these decisions. Are we, as the "West" willing to allow hundreds of years of western statecraft to be dismantled by these actions. People need to step outside of their own rigidly constructed, self interested, paradigms and realize some of these acts are tearing down the foundations of the modern western world. The more we allow rogue states to annex countries, indiscriminately use WMDs, and commit genocide the more our principles and moral standards shatter. That is a huge threat to the legitimacy and standing of the West in the world.
Only you would even bring the race element into play on a topic like Libya, the ultimate strawman. You simply cannot dispute the reality that Libya was a NATO/US/Western Intelligence operation with the various entities within that domain fermenting the unrest in that country.
When the Clinton administration was attacking a sovereign nation, sending in the CIA to train and support entities with clear and indisputable ties to radical Islam and Iran, when Maddie Albright is hugging all over thugs every bit as horrible as Milosevic etc. etc. etc. When the "Balkanization" then occurred and within a very short time frame the various newly created nations start aligning themselves with NATO, the whole selling point for the illegal operation gets tossed out the window entirely. It was a sham.
yeah I'm totally bringing race into the discussion when your neo-con/neo-libertarianism fails to realize that brown people can be rational actors. yes they can act to overthrow their governments and their actions don't always have to be promoted by someone from the West forcing them to act. There is well documented history here that those were organically grown movements, not the CIA ops of the 70s and 80s. I'm stopping there because I do think the US saw an opportunity to support change, but this prison planet racism that only the West can be actors in these events has to be called out.
But that's a completely immaterial straw man, bridge to nowhere talking point. (so being against wars of US hegemony makes me a Neo-Con? Fascinating, how do you even discuss this with someone who invokes that kind of idiocy?). To say there were "homegrown" entities within Libya wanting to overthrow the MQ regime is the Captain Obvious talking point of the century. Hey, guess what, there's entities within the United States who want to overthrow the U.S. Gov't (just a comment NSA, so relax). For you to leisurely dismiss what the West/NATO/US did in Libya as mere opportunism is laughable and deserves no further commentary, just as your invocation of racism deserves no further commentary.
I didn't leisurely dismiss it, I ended my point there. The amount of time, resources, and military expenditure clearly shows that it wasn't a mere opportunist action. It was a calculated risk to jumpstart a home grown rebellion. There were some dramatic miscalculations and misconceptions, I grant that totally, but this wasn't what you want it to be, a CIA op of the 70s and 80s (once again).
No one thought for a second that Libya was an old timey 70's or 80's (or before) CIA operation. Come on dude.
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First off your position on Libya and Syria is the same tired racist talking point that have been recycled for years. Its sad that your side can't imagine rational actors who aren't white acting in their own self interests. Just because they are brown doesn't mean they can't rebel against their dictators.
Second, you really want to bring Yugo into this? Possibly the best example of intervention working in the modern era?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_War#UN.2C_NATO.2C_and_OSCE_.281998.E2.80.931999.29
http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N99/172/89/PDF/N9917289.pdf?OpenElement
And I'm right there with you on wanting WWIII, right now. But what people have to realize is that there are centuries of principles resting on these decisions. Are we, as the "West" willing to allow hundreds of years of western statecraft to be dismantled by these actions. People need to step outside of their own rigidly constructed, self interested, paradigms and realize some of these acts are tearing down the foundations of the modern western world. The more we allow rogue states to annex countries, indiscriminately use WMDs, and commit genocide the more our principles and moral standards shatter. That is a huge threat to the legitimacy and standing of the West in the world.
Only you would even bring the race element into play on a topic like Libya, the ultimate strawman. You simply cannot dispute the reality that Libya was a NATO/US/Western Intelligence operation with the various entities within that domain fermenting the unrest in that country.
When the Clinton administration was attacking a sovereign nation, sending in the CIA to train and support entities with clear and indisputable ties to radical Islam and Iran, when Maddie Albright is hugging all over thugs every bit as horrible as Milosevic etc. etc. etc. When the "Balkanization" then occurred and within a very short time frame the various newly created nations start aligning themselves with NATO, the whole selling point for the illegal operation gets tossed out the window entirely. It was a sham.
yeah I'm totally bringing race into the discussion when your neo-con/neo-libertarianism fails to realize that brown people can be rational actors. yes they can act to overthrow their governments and their actions don't always have to be promoted by someone from the West forcing them to act. There is well documented history here that those were organically grown movements, not the CIA ops of the 70s and 80s. I'm stopping there because I do think the US saw an opportunity to support change, but this prison planet racism that only the West can be actors in these events has to be called out.
But that's a completely immaterial straw man, bridge to nowhere talking point. (so being against wars of US hegemony makes me a Neo-Con? Fascinating, how do you even discuss this with someone who invokes that kind of idiocy?). To say there were "homegrown" entities within Libya wanting to overthrow the MQ regime is the Captain Obvious talking point of the century. Hey, guess what, there's entities within the United States who want to overthrow the U.S. Gov't (just a comment NSA, so relax). For you to leisurely dismiss what the West/NATO/US did in Libya as mere opportunism is laughable and deserves no further commentary, just as your invocation of racism deserves no further commentary.
I didn't leisurely dismiss it, I ended my point there. The amount of time, resources, and military expenditure clearly shows that it wasn't a mere opportunist action. It was a calculated risk to jumpstart a home grown rebellion. There were some dramatic miscalculations and misconceptions, I grant that totally, but this wasn't what you want it to be, a CIA op of the 70s and 80s (once again).
No one thought for a second that Libya was an old timey 70's or 80's (or before) CIA operation. Come on dude.
Thats what I thought for a second, hence the note.
But I back on track the US and Western Europe is on the clock now. Visa restrictions mean crap when shots are being fired. I'd love to see the gas lines to gazprom get shut off and see what Putin does.
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Well, we've been forewarned as to where this is all headed.
http://youtu.be/NHWjlCaIrQo?t=1m31s
Iodine tablets: Not just for breakfast
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Well, we've been forewarned as to where this is all headed.
http://youtu.be/NHWjlCaIrQo?t=1m31s
Iodine tablets: Not just for breakfast
pffff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iF0l2DKCh_8
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Did you guys see my joke? pfffffffffffffffffft. :grin:
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Did you guys see my joke? pfffffffffffffffffft. :grin:
it was a great joke. also a great song
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when was the last time henichesk raionCAT2010 posted? :ohno:
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crap still crazy over there FYI. Ukraine is claiming to have clashed with Russian armour in the east.
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I am cheering hard for Ukraine. Scrappy underdogs
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NATO says 1k+ ruskies in Ukraine with "sophisticated weaponry" (important to inoculate against volunteer talking point from Moscow) about 20k over the border.
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they had to send in professionals because the volunteers proved irresponsible with the sophisticated weaponry
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listening to BBC over lunch and they were interviewing the russian guy who talks to the media for russia or whatever.
it was like:
BBC guy: here is a ton of evidence that russia is invading ukraine, thoughts?
russian guy: all lies by the west
BBC guy: what about all this stuff
russian guy: proven false tons of times
BBC guy: that doesn't seem to be the case
russian guy: it is the case
BBC guy: ......
it was pretty lol
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That sounds very lol. I like the Russian debating style
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my take, Russia is going for a land bridge to Crimea, German cowardness in the face of the approaching winter months will allow their gains to be consolidated and things will calm down a bit.
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my take, Russia is going for a land bridge to Crimea, German cowardness in the face of the approaching winter months will allow their gains to be consolidated and things will calm down a bit.
Russian winters are really a weakness for these guys
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listening to BBC over lunch and they were interviewing the russian guy who talks to the media for russia or whatever.
it was like:
BBC guy: here is a ton of evidence that russia is invading ukraine, thoughts?
russian guy: all lies by the west
BBC guy: what about all this stuff
russian guy: proven false tons of times
BBC guy: that doesn't seem to be the case
russian guy: it is the case
BBC guy: ......
it was pretty lol
This sounds like that Iraqi guy that kept denying the America was in country and at war when war was in the background and stuff.
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Man. Stud Obama is crushing the Russian economy and Putin is watching everything around him crumble.
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Man. Stud Obama is crushing the Russian economy and Putin is watching everything around him crumble.
Never would have pegged KK as a "Obama is a Muslim Saudi opec guy". The Pit really keeps you on your toes.
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Can't really debate this thing has blown up on Putin like a infected toe.
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Man. Stud Obama is crushing the Russian economy and Putin is watching everything around him crumble.
Never would have pegged KK as a "Obama is a Muslim Saudi opec guy". The Pit really keeps you on your toes.
This is exactly how the Saudi's wanted their OPEC meetings to go, and when Venezuela and other nations howled after it was over, the Saudi contingency walked out the room smiling form ear to ear.
I will say that I'm surprised their plan is working this quickly...
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Ukraine saying their ammo dump explosion was sabotage. That region fights by seasons.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/03/ukraine-calls-depot-explosion-act-sabotage-170323112000208.html
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Ahhh, the days when we ignored whatever it was russia was doing
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https://twitter.com/camanpour/status/1067498129384124416
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thanks killary....
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The European army will save them
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Sounds familiar.
https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1225472960972165120
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Surprised Dax hasn’t jumped in to defend this one yet.
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It’s easily defensible if you understood how corrupt the Ukrainian military and arms industry is.
I’ll also repost the article from The Nation documenting the Nazi’s again if you’d like. Da Big Dummy wouldn’t understand but the rest might.
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Dax, sometimes you remind me of that scene in Battle of the Bastards where Jon Snow wields his sword, standing alone, facing Ramsey Bolton's charging army. Other times you remind me of those stories of Japanese soldiers emerging from remote islands decades later, unaware than WWII was over...
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Dax, sometimes you remind me of that scene in Battle of the Bastards where Jon Snow wields his sword, standing alone, facing Ramsey Bolton's charging army. Other times you remind me of those stories of Japanese soldiers emerging from remote islands decades later, unaware than WWII was over...
It’s not nearly that dramatic. This is just another example of the demand that OrangeMan bad just send stuff to everybody (and anybody) no questions asked . . . Something that historically LibDork Nation has lost their minds about. It’s just incredibly weird. Could be something nefarious, who knows. This number is like a rounding error, but let’s not stop yet another fantastic meltdown.
A modicum of reading will yield a lot of corruption in the Ukraine.