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Wandered over to Baylorfans.com and found a mini meltdown going on
This is a serious dick move on UT's part to interview an in conference rival that is right down the road...would be an even bigger dick move for CAB to take the job knowing how much it would set us back-I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt until I hear something else. It will be very interesting to see how Ian responds if Patterson calls for permission to interview like he has done other schools. Hopefully, Ian will stand up to him and try to kill this.
This is mostly Drama Queen UT trying to upstage our BCS Bowl Game
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OMG PLEASE HIRE LEACH, would be amazeballs to have him back in the conference at BAYLOR of all places.
Greg Schiano, Larry Fedora, Chad Morris, Dana Holgorsen, Dino Babers, Mike Leach, Bobby Petrino, Mike Singletary
Just a short list of people we should consider if he ends up leaving
Didnt Briles kick but at Houston for a while after destroying the high school ranks?
Ian is a damn good AD who picked Briles out of obscurity and helped him become what is now in the first place. If it comes to that we are in good hands in getting a successor and getting him everything he needs.
A voice of reason?!?
I had hoped that at age 58 some aspects of the UT job would hold less allure and appeal. Having said that -- there was never any guarantee of that. And to succeed at the level CAB is at -- you have to have a competitive fire that most of us can't relate to. And that usually carries with it a tremendous amount of ego. And the pinnacle of his profession in Texas is UT. That feeds a whole lot of ego. It's probably an opportunity that he never dreamed he would have. When something is unattainable its easy to say you're not interested. When it suddenly becomes an option then it can be damn near impossible to turn down. I think the fact that he's not unequivocally nipped this in the bud means that there is about an 80% chance that he takes the job if offered. If so -- let's go get Chad Morris. We could get the better of the trade.
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Rumor that I am hearing is that Briles is (will be) gone and Montgomery is going to be offered the head coach position. Bennett will be the highest paid D-coordinator.
This came from my bro-in-law (who is in Phoenix). He stated that he heard it from "a friend of a friend of friend of Ian".
He isn't one to just text me stuff. I'm not one to post conjecture.
I don't care if you call BS or neg rep me. I'm just passing what I heard.
I hope (pray) that Briles is staying at Baylor. I hope that this is JUST Ian's backup plan.
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This guy gets it
If he leaves, I won't bash him. "Art Briles left us for UT and all we got was an 11 win season, a 10 win season, a Big 12 Championship, a BCS berth, 4 straight bowls, a Heisman Trophy and a new stadium.
This guy gets it.
I recently interviewed for a job that would have paid significantly more and in the end stayed with my current employer because of various factors, some of which included the favorable way my current employer continues to up the anti each year.
Listening to an offer does not mean you take the offer. Chill folks.
Possibly going from Chilli's to Applebee's is not the same as leaving Baylor for Texas.
Has everyone ignored the fact that this is The Austin American Statesman we're talking about here? The "newspaper" that publishes a top 55 recruit list every year that is based on who UT has already signed. They do everything they can to help UT athletics. Do you think it is below their standards to plant a story like this just to make Baylor look bad? I don't! Like CAB asked, "who is the source"?
Never go full aggy
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OK, let's cut to the chase - what, exactly, does UT offer that would entice Art Briles to leave Baylor?
Recruiting? There was a time when UT was king of the blue chips, but Art's worked real hard and by all reports is at a place where a lot of good players come to him, asking if there's a place. If he goes to UT, Briles would no longer have complete control over the kind of players they chase (remember UT didn't consider RG3 a good QB prospect?), and the actual quality of UT's recruits can be judged by the Longhorn players who go on to the NFL. When's the last time you thought of a Longhorn first when you talked about the draft board for Quarterbacks? Receivers? Running Backs? Linebackers? Et cetera, folks.
Facilities? Baylor used to be a sad place for the tools, but besides the new stadium, Baylor has state-of-the-art facilities at every level, every bit as good as anything in Austin. There's no upgrade to moving to UT.
Coaching Staff? Briles just locked in his team with raises in new contracts and pretty much everyone agrees that this was smart, because BU's coordinators and assistants are the best in the Big XII. Again, moving to Austin would surely not be an improvement, it may be a real step down.
Media love? After Griffin's Heisman and the Big XII Championship, Baylor's claimed a spot in the limelight and with the players and coaches in place, there's already talk about Baylor repeating as conference champion and making real runs at the 2014 Heisman and the first Championship Playoff. Again, nothing to gain by defecting to the Longhorns.
All that's left are legacy and money. Art's already won a level of fame at Baylor that makes him immortal if he stays here. Going to Austin means he'll be supported by the regents only as long as he wins all the time. Briles is smart enough to know the Burnt Manure HC job means politics, kissing up to the regents, and being compared to Royal and Brown for as long as he's there. As for money, when you're already making multi-million every year, and with everything else considered, quitting Baylor for Texas just to make more money when you're already set for life would be short-sighted, mercenary, foolish and naive. Briles is none of those things, but the people pulling these rumors up from the cesspool do strike me as foolish and jerkwad enough to think that way.
Briles could go to Texas. But he won't. And next year, when Briles is leading the Bears to a natty, the losers spreading these rumors now can expect to be reminded and receive the consequences of their disrespect for Briles.
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God's work, ben ji.
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Texas is taking George O'leary :cheers: (<-me and George)
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Briles would have to deal with the insane expectations of the most entitled-feeling fan base in the country. In the last 50 years every Texas coach except for Darrell Royal has been fired, and some high powered regents (Frank Erwin and others) wanted to fire Royal as well.
How long will it take the Longhorn fan base to turn on him if he doesn't immediately start winning conference and national championships?
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OK, let's cut to the chase - what, exactly, does UT offer that would entice Art Briles to leave Baylor?
Recruiting? There was a time when UT was king of the blue chips, but Art's worked real hard and by all reports is at a place where a lot of good players come to him, asking if there's a place. If he goes to UT, Briles would no longer have complete control over the kind of players they chase (remember UT didn't consider RG3 a good QB prospect?), and the actual quality of UT's recruits can be judged by the Longhorn players who go on to the NFL. When's the last time you thought of a Longhorn first when you talked about the draft board for Quarterbacks? Receivers? Running Backs? Linebackers? Et cetera, folks.
Facilities? Baylor used to be a sad place for the tools, but besides the new stadium, Baylor has state-of-the-art facilities at every level, every bit as good as anything in Austin. There's no upgrade to moving to UT.
Coaching Staff? Briles just locked in his team with raises in new contracts and pretty much everyone agrees that this was smart, because BU's coordinators and assistants are the best in the Big XII. Again, moving to Austin would surely not be an improvement, it may be a real step down.
Media love? After Griffin's Heisman and the Big XII Championship, Baylor's claimed a spot in the limelight and with the players and coaches in place, there's already talk about Baylor repeating as conference champion and making real runs at the 2014 Heisman and the first Championship Playoff. Again, nothing to gain by defecting to the Longhorns.
All that's left are legacy and money. Art's already won a level of fame at Baylor that makes him immortal if he stays here. Going to Austin means he'll be supported by the regents only as long as he wins all the time. Briles is smart enough to know the Burnt Manure HC job means politics, kissing up to the regents, and being compared to Royal and Brown for as long as he's there. As for money, when you're already making multi-million every year, and with everything else considered, quitting Baylor for Texas just to make more money when you're already set for life would be short-sighted, mercenary, foolish and naive. Briles is none of those things, but the people pulling these rumors up from the cesspool do strike me as foolish and jerkwad enough to think that way.
Briles could go to Texas. But he won't. And next year, when Briles is leading the Bears to a natty, the losers spreading these rumors now can expect to be reminded and receive the consequences of their disrespect for Briles.
Quite a series of rationalizations.
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OK, let's cut to the chase - what, exactly, does UT offer that would entice Art Briles to leave Baylor?
Recruiting? There was a time when UT was king of the blue chips, but Art's worked real hard and by all reports is at a place where a lot of good players come to him, asking if there's a place. If he goes to UT, Briles would no longer have complete control over the kind of players they chase (remember UT didn't consider RG3 a good QB prospect?), and the actual quality of UT's recruits can be judged by the Longhorn players who go on to the NFL. When's the last time you thought of a Longhorn first when you talked about the draft board for Quarterbacks? Receivers? Running Backs? Linebackers? Et cetera, folks.
Facilities? Baylor used to be a sad place for the tools, but besides the new stadium, Baylor has state-of-the-art facilities at every level, every bit as good as anything in Austin. There's no upgrade to moving to UT.
Coaching Staff? Briles just locked in his team with raises in new contracts and pretty much everyone agrees that this was smart, because BU's coordinators and assistants are the best in the Big XII. Again, moving to Austin would surely not be an improvement, it may be a real step down.
Media love? After Griffin's Heisman and the Big XII Championship, Baylor's claimed a spot in the limelight and with the players and coaches in place, there's already talk about Baylor repeating as conference champion and making real runs at the 2014 Heisman and the first Championship Playoff. Again, nothing to gain by defecting to the Longhorns.
All that's left are legacy and money. Art's already won a level of fame at Baylor that makes him immortal if he stays here. Going to Austin means he'll be supported by the regents only as long as he wins all the time. Briles is smart enough to know the Burnt Manure HC job means politics, kissing up to the regents, and being compared to Royal and Brown for as long as he's there. As for money, when you're already making multi-million every year, and with everything else considered, quitting Baylor for Texas just to make more money when you're already set for life would be short-sighted, mercenary, foolish and naive. Briles is none of those things, but the people pulling these rumors up from the cesspool do strike me as foolish and jerkwad enough to think that way.
Briles could go to Texas. But he won't. And next year, when Briles is leading the Bears to a natty, the losers spreading these rumors now can expect to be reminded and receive the consequences of their disrespect for Briles.
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If this happens do you think we could get Bennett back?
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I hope that guy that posted the super A+ source rumor didn't get neg rep'd.
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If this happens do you think we could get Bennett back?
I think Phil would go to Austin with Briles. He has deep family ties in TX.
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Rumor that I am hearing is that Briles is (will be) gone and Montgomery is going to be offered the head coach position. Bennett will be the highest paid D-coordinator.
This came from my bro-in-law (who is in Phoenix). He stated that he heard it from "a friend of a friend of friend of Ian".
He isn't one to just text me stuff. I'm not one to post conjecture.
I don't care if you call BS or neg rep me. I'm just passing what I heard.
I hope (pray) that Briles is staying at Baylor. I hope that this is JUST Ian's backup plan.
Is this the guy you're referring too? :lol:
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If this happens do you think we could get Bennett back?
I think Phil would go to Austin with Briles. He has deep family ties in TX.
Snyder wouldn't offer anyway.
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If this happens do you think we could get Bennett back?
:ROFL:
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If this happens do you think we could get Bennett back?
we have a good d coord already, fwiw
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If this happens do you think we could get Bennett back?
Would definitely give our defense a bolt of excitement. (Are we doing this, or no?)
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:nono:
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I would be shocked if Bennett ever ends up back at Kansas State.
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I would be shocked if Bennett ever ends up back at Kansas State.
i would rather have tom hayes
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Baylor has really nice facilities, the difference is that UT puts 90-100,000 people in the stands. Baylor needs expanded greatness to remove the tarps in a 50,000 seat stadium and while they're building a really nice stadium, it's smaller than their old one.
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If this happens do you think we could get Bennett back?
I think Phil would go to Austin with Briles. He has deep family ties in TX.
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:dubious:
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The Phil Bennett jokes are really not funny.
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Also, despite their persuasive arguments, I still say Texas is a better job than Baylor
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The Phil Bennett jokes are really not funny.
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The Phil Bennett jokes are really not funny.
Tell us a cancer joke, cf3
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The Phil Bennett jokes are really not funny.
Tell us a cancer joke, cf3
I'm not 100% certain you know the origin of the whole cancer thing
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If this happens do you think we could get Bennett back?
we have a good d coord already, fwiw
Hayes has been amazing. He's effing MacGuyver based on what he had to work with this year.
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The Phil Bennett jokes are really not funny.
Agreed.
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If this happens do you think we could get Bennett back?
we have a good d coord already, fwiw
Hayes has been amazing. He's effing MacGuyver based on what he had to work with this year.
He's partly responsible for what he has to work with FWIW.
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If this happens do you think we could get Bennett back?
we have a good d coord already, fwiw
Hayes has been amazing. He's effing MacGuyver based on what he had to work with this year.
This, you ask anyone august 29th what they thought the cats would do this season and the top answer would be "Rebuilding year for new blood defense" But for losing all we lost after last year, the fighting Hayes' didn't miss a beat. So blessed.
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Our defense was below average.
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Our defense was below average.
Thanks, Captain Obvious :thumbsup:
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we had 7 years of such unbelievably bad defenses that when we are like 50ish it seems very good.
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Our defense was below average.
It was good enough. Would have liked more turnovers.
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Our defense was below average.
It was good enough. Would have liked more turnovers.
Fourth in the Big 12 is pretty impressive when you consider how many new starters they had and how young they were.
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Our defense was below average.
It was good enough. Would have liked more turnovers.
Fourth in the Big 12 is pretty impressive when you consider how many new starters they had and how young they were.
FEI and S&P had us at 50 and 63, respectively. Pretty much right in the middle of the pack.
YPP this year (5.01) was the lowest it's been since at least 2007 (as far back as CFBstats.com goes).
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Our defense was below average.
It was good enough. Would have liked more turnovers.
Yes good enough to go to the bww bowl. Not exactly anything to crow about.
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Also keep in mind my idea of average is with only bcs schools included. I don't give a crap if we barely finish above some sun belt team in yards per game.
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Our defense was below average.
It was good enough. Would have liked more turnovers.
Yes good enough to go to the bww bowl. Not exactly anything to crow about.
Given the lack of experience returning, it was what could be expected, especially with the downgrade at corner.
The only major difference between 2012 and 2013 was the lack of turnovers. We forced seven less and gave up 13 more. Considering that we didn't lose a game by more than ten points, and the OSU and Baylor games were pretty much shot to hell because of turnovers, it could have been a better year.
Obviously, we should expect more next year with everything we have coming back.
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Also keep in mind my idea of average is with only bcs schools included. I don't give a crap if we barely finish above some sun belt team in yards per game.
This is irrelevant since the Big 12 is one of the highest scoring conferences in the nation. If anything K-State's defensive statistics are very underrated.
If you expected this defense to rank higher than fourth in the Big 12 before the year started you're an idiot.
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Also keep in mind my idea of average is with only bcs schools included. I don't give a crap if we barely finish above some sun belt team in yards per game.
This is irrelevant since the Big 12 is one of the highest scoring conferences in the nation. If anything K-State's defensive statistics are very underrated.
If you expected this defense to rank higher than fourth in the Big 12 before the year started you're an idiot.
Our stats are almost certainly overrated if anything due to the fact we played one of the slowest paces. You must take pace into account.
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Also keep in mind my idea of average is with only bcs schools included. I don't give a crap if we barely finish above some sun belt team in yards per game.
This is irrelevant since the Big 12 is one of the highest scoring conferences in the nation. If anything K-State's defensive statistics are very underrated.
If you expected this defense to rank higher than fourth in the Big 12 before the year started you're an idiot.
Our stats are almost certainly overrated if anything due to the fact we played one of the slowest paces. You must take pace into account.
Valid point, but they didn't win the TOP battle to the extreme they did the last few years.
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Our defense was below average.
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Whelp, Baylor doesn't have anything to worry about now. No one will be ready to offer him more than the 4.5 mil he gets from Baylor. :th_twocents:
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3rd in B12 and No. 22 among "major" type teams in Opponents' points per play (.315), which is better than last season (.326).
4th in B12 and No. 22 among "major" type teams in opponents' yards per play (5.08), which is also better than last season (5.40).
I wouldn't consider that average by any stretch of the imagination.
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Really hope Briles leaves, most Baylor fans are awful. I mean, they talked crap on DVONTA!
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Also, Hayes should build a really good D based on JUCO talent and defensive talent from HS we've brought in at LB, DBs, etc. Not so much DLine, but with Mueller, Britz, etc. back, should be solid.
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Whelp, Baylor doesn't have anything to worry about now. No one will be ready to offer him more than the 4.5 mil he gets from Baylor. :th_twocents:
Nope, they are gonna roll with the talking point of "he was distracted by this and gave the tx job more attention than his current job".
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Our defense was above average.
agreed
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So a coach moving to another school in the same conference. Does that happen? Examples please.
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Saban
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Saban
Not directly. Saban NFL'ed between.
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Saban
Not directly. Saban NFL'ed between.
I know, but it was a pretty brief stint.
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So a coach moving to another school in the same conference. Does that happen? Examples please.
Dude from washington to USC
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Tubberville
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Nutt
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Baylor is apparently a lot bigger program than I thought they were.