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Title: Jevon Thomas
Post by: EMAWzified on December 19, 2013, 12:00:43 PM
Is it best he be a stud or something less. If he's really, really good, chances are he tells smelly old oscar to eff off just like Angel, right?
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kso_FAN on December 19, 2013, 12:06:56 PM
Angel came to play for Frank.

Jevon came to play for oscar.

IIRC, Mr Bread had said oscar didn't have many contributors leave.

So probably if you are true BID or TYS then you want Jevon to suck.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 19, 2013, 12:12:06 PM
I wants him to be a stud/boss just like I want all my Wildcats to be studs/bosses.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: EMAWzified on December 19, 2013, 12:15:55 PM
Angel came to play for Frank.

Jevon came to play for oscar.

IIRC, Mr Bread had said oscar didn't have many contributors leave.

So probably if you are true BID or TYS then you want Jevon to suck.
Very logical, but I don't think Thomas came to play for oscar so much as the best program that would have him with his academics. With that resolved, there will be lots of options, and given the transfer environment of today's game . . .
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: CNS on December 19, 2013, 12:24:53 PM
If Jevon isn't lighting in a bottle, this year is going to suck really bad.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kso_FAN on December 19, 2013, 12:25:39 PM
Angel came to play for Frank.

Jevon came to play for oscar.

IIRC, Mr Bread had said oscar didn't have many contributors leave.

So probably if you are true BID or TYS then you want Jevon to suck.
Very logical, but I don't think Thomas came to play for oscar so much as the best program that would have him with his academics. With that resolved, there will be lots of options, and given the transfer environment of today's game . . .

Possibly.

Its a bit much of me to say oscar, but clearly the recruits like Frazier and Brooks. As long as those guys are around then I don't think oscar will have problems with retaining players.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 19, 2013, 02:12:47 PM
Angel came to play for Frank.

Jevon came to play for oscar.

IIRC, Mr Bread had said oscar didn't have many contributors leave.

So probably if you are true BID or TYS then you want Jevon to suck.

I am a true BID and I hope that Thomas is better than Kobe.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on December 19, 2013, 02:25:10 PM
Angel came to play for Frank.

Jevon came to play for oscar.

IIRC, Mr Bread had said oscar didn't have many contributors leave.

So probably if you are true BID or TYS then you want Jevon to suck.

I am a true BID and I hope that Thomas is better than Kobe.
I don't know how you can be true BID then. That would only make oscar stay around longer.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kso_FAN on December 19, 2013, 02:26:02 PM
Angel came to play for Frank.

Jevon came to play for oscar.

IIRC, Mr Bread had said oscar didn't have many contributors leave.

So probably if you are true BID or TYS then you want Jevon to suck.

I am a true BID and I hope that Thomas is better than Kobe.

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Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on December 19, 2013, 02:29:48 PM
so hes eligible to play Saturday, right? any idea if he actually will play?
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Cire on December 19, 2013, 02:31:19 PM
I thought oscar already said no
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Belvis Noland on December 19, 2013, 02:34:21 PM
If Jevon isn't lighting in a bottle, this year is going to suck really bad.

Even if Jevon is lightning in a bottle, it still doesn't change the fact that Gip is, literally, the only basketball player on our roster's front court.  And he is slow, short and, generally, pretty sucky against taller players. 
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on December 19, 2013, 02:38:31 PM
I thought oscar already said no

link? he may have... I haven't been paying much attention
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kso_FAN on December 19, 2013, 02:40:10 PM
so hes eligible to play Saturday, right? any idea if he actually will play?

http://www.kansas.com/2013/12/18/3186112/kansas-state-anticipates-on-court.html

Quote
How long before he enters the playing rotation? K-State coach oscar Weber can’t say. It won’t be against Gonzaga on Saturday. Thomas needs to learn Weber’s motion offense and to build relationships with teammates in practice before he is a candidate for playing time.

But that could happen quickly. Thomas could see the floor against Tulane on Dec. 28 or in one of K-State’s final nonconference games. At the least, he will be a factor at the start of Big 12 play.

And...

Quote
"The transition for us as a team is going to be difficult, because he is a lot faster than our point guard right now," senior guard Shane Southwell said. "It will be different, but he can help us. He will have an impact on the first game, not even offensively. He is a very good on-ball defender. That is something we are going to need."


Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on December 19, 2013, 02:41:47 PM
thanks, _FAN!
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: AbeFroman on December 19, 2013, 02:46:26 PM
If you are true BID you want our guys to be studs but for oscar to coach them down. Which the motion offense does a great job of.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Belvis Noland on December 19, 2013, 02:55:42 PM
So if Jevon is good, we'll assume he takes the lion's share of PG minutes?  And Foster will play 30+ at the 2. 

Does this mean the Will Spradling experiment finally ends after 4 years??
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: CNS on December 19, 2013, 02:56:50 PM
Welp, it may take all yr to get him in the game.  He is just too fast.  we don't think the rest of the team can play with that right now.

What?
Angel came to play for Frank.

Jevon came to play for oscar.

IIRC, Mr Bread had said oscar didn't have many contributors leave.

So probably if you are true BID or TYS then you want Jevon to suck.

I am a true BID and I hope that Thomas is better than Kobe.

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This is pretty fantastic and fitting.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on December 19, 2013, 03:08:08 PM
So if Jevon is good, we'll assume he takes the lion's share of PG minutes?  And Foster will play 30+ at the 2. 

Does this mean the Will Spradling experiment finally ends after 4 years??

id be pretty ok with him coming off the bench at 2 and making some 3s and hitting his FTs down the stretch of games. a lot like what he did his freshman year with jake there. good for 6-10 points a game with a >.350 3 pt percentage and >.800 FT%.

anything more than that and hes out of his element and well lose.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Belvis Noland on December 19, 2013, 03:12:16 PM

id be pretty ok with him coming off the bench at 2 and making some 3s and hitting his FTs down the stretch of games. a lot like what he did his freshman year with jake there. good for 6-10 points a game with a >.350 3 pt percentage and >.800 FT%.

anything more than that and hes out of his element and well lose.

well, yeah
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on December 19, 2013, 03:13:31 PM
just trying to be positive and set some guidelines for will  :frown:
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: CNS on December 19, 2013, 03:18:24 PM
He should play every min from the instant he is eligible.  Best thing for him to get up to speed (and others to get used to him)as quick as possible. 
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: AbeFroman on December 19, 2013, 03:44:56 PM
So if Jevon is good, we'll assume he takes the lion's share of PG minutes?  And Foster will play 30+ at the 2. 

Does this mean the Will Spradling experiment finally ends after 4 years??

id be pretty ok with him coming off the bench at 2 and making some 3s and hitting his FTs down the stretch of games. a lot like what he did his freshman year with jake there. good for 6-10 points a game with a >.350 3 pt percentage and >.800 FT%.

anything more than that and hes out of his element and well lose.

Yeah, I'm sure Shannon will totally let Currie allow oscar to do this.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kso_FAN on December 19, 2013, 03:56:44 PM
Guys, Will is going to play. But hopefully it's more like 25 mpg and not 35+.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Trim on December 19, 2013, 06:02:16 PM
I thought oscar already said no

link? he may have... I haven't been paying much attention

I first reported this during last week's #oscar radio coverage.

A new episode begins in less than an hour.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on December 19, 2013, 06:10:57 PM
Guys, Will is going to play. But hopefully it's more like 25 mpg and not 35+.
and he is the third scoring option out of the guards.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kso_FAN on December 20, 2013, 09:17:26 AM
Quote from: Shane
He's a fast, explosive guard. He can get into the lane. He's sort of, a little bit like (Oklahoma City Thunder point guard) Russell Westbrook, but he doesn't look to score as much. He looks to get in the lane just as much as Westbrook, but he kicks it out a little bit more. He has that same dog mentality, the same passion, which is good for any team you're on so he's kind of like Westbrook, but I feel he's a little better passer than Westbrook.

 :ksu: :billdance: :emawkid: (https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg9%2F9540%2Fbrucepump.gif&hash=ac98062db14d5226e5909686734b95ec420569e0)
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on December 20, 2013, 09:23:18 AM
HE'S KIND OF LIKE RUSSELL WESTBROOK, GUYS!!  :emawkid:
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: puniraptor on December 20, 2013, 09:24:05 AM
HE'S KIND OF LIKE RUSSELL WESTBROOK, GUYS!!  :emawkid:

but pretty much better, guys  :bball:
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kso_FAN on December 20, 2013, 09:30:41 AM
...the same DOG mentality, the same PASSION...
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: KanSt43 on December 20, 2013, 09:42:01 AM
LOL at Shane's comments. Love it.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kso_FAN on December 20, 2013, 09:46:12 AM
LOL at Shane's comments. Love it.

Entirely different circumstances, but it still reminds me of Bishop's comments about Frank Murphy.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 20, 2013, 09:50:41 AM
I rough ridin' KNEW IT!!!  :ksu:
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on December 20, 2013, 09:55:42 AM
between shane calling Thomas a Russell westbrook type and referring to will as "our current guy" instead of by name, its pretty clear that shane is the biggest stud we have at ksu right now. but we already knew that.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: TownieCat on December 20, 2013, 02:53:40 PM
THREE MORE HOURS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: TownieCat on December 20, 2013, 06:00:04 PM
 :Woohoo:
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Tobias on December 20, 2013, 06:10:23 PM
he is risen!
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: ksupamplemousse on December 20, 2013, 11:36:16 PM
Shane also said that he was the best player on the team  :dubious:
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: eastcat on December 20, 2013, 11:45:56 PM
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Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: TownieCat on December 25, 2013, 07:50:54 PM
@kstatesports: 1st official practice for #KStateMBB's Jevon Thomas, who became eligible on Dec. 21. pic.twitter.com/isSIHByDgE

 :party:
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: scottwildcat on December 25, 2013, 08:10:32 PM
 :bball:
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: ChiComCat on December 28, 2013, 12:32:50 PM
Hopefully we go up 15 on Tulane in the first and Jevon and just figure crap out the rest of the game
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: nicname on December 28, 2013, 01:33:01 PM
I'm excited
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Cire on December 28, 2013, 01:40:58 PM
we're assuming he's playing?
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Tobias on December 28, 2013, 01:42:04 PM
we're assuming he's playing?

yup.  would be a major dick move not to play him in his hometown-ish against a scrub team IMO
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Cire on December 28, 2013, 01:43:39 PM
people on the autism spectrum don't empathize well.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Pete on December 28, 2013, 01:45:40 PM
Jevon is the only reason I am going to watch this game. 
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: CNS on December 28, 2013, 04:25:15 PM
Just checked in for first time

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Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: CNS on December 28, 2013, 04:28:03 PM
Early returns look strong with on ball d

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Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kso_FAN on December 28, 2013, 05:02:51 PM
He looks solid. Extremely quick.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Trogdor on December 28, 2013, 05:13:24 PM
I turned on the radio right before half to find out we were up by 18. It was an instinct to give all the credit to Thomas
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: scottwildcat on December 28, 2013, 06:03:19 PM
Love JT. Will be good for us.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: nicname on December 28, 2013, 06:04:35 PM
Like this kid.  Like all the freshmen. Optimism levels on the rise for EMAW hoops.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kim carnes on December 28, 2013, 06:05:45 PM
 :bball:
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: scottwildcat on December 28, 2013, 06:08:02 PM
Really wish we could of gotten someone better than Krap and taller, to help when Gip and DJamer both fouls out in conference play. then I would be loving this class hard right now.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: chum1 on December 28, 2013, 06:14:05 PM
Two points.  Well, I'm excited.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kso_FAN on December 28, 2013, 08:07:54 PM
Brett Regan ?@brettregan 2m
oscar Weber on Jevon Thomas: "Every day he's like a baby goose popping out of the egg."

:D
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Tobias on December 28, 2013, 08:08:29 PM
Brett Regan ?@brettregan 2m
oscar Weber on Jevon Thomas: "Every day he's like a baby goose popping out of the egg."

:D

respect where respect's due, that's adorable
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: scottwildcat on December 28, 2013, 08:09:07 PM
Brett Regan ?@brettregan 2m
oscar Weber on Jevon Thomas: "Every day he's like a baby goose popping out of the egg."

:D

Most adorable oscar Weber thing oscar has ever said?
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kso_FAN on December 28, 2013, 08:14:38 PM
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Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: slucat on December 28, 2013, 08:39:43 PM
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 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Cire on December 29, 2013, 11:44:23 AM
LOL
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: 0.42 on December 29, 2013, 11:50:14 AM
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oh, wow.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: sunny_cat on December 29, 2013, 11:52:48 AM
:lol:
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: SwiftCat on December 30, 2013, 12:18:37 AM
 :surprised: :lol:
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: scottwildcat on December 30, 2013, 10:28:49 AM
That is great.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 30, 2013, 10:37:10 AM
Gosling!?
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: TownieCat on December 31, 2013, 01:40:10 PM
On my way to the fOOD to check out JT for the first time. I haven't been this excited to see a Cat in person for the first time since Beasley.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Pete on December 31, 2013, 01:51:11 PM
Gosling!?

Jevon Gosling...catchy ring to that.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: sunny_cat on December 31, 2013, 02:52:23 PM
You guys, he just makes me happy.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: SabiNation on December 31, 2013, 02:57:34 PM
He seems really quick on wyatt vision
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: sunny_cat on December 31, 2013, 03:26:52 PM
Nigel looks sad on the bench. :frown:

I hope he still gets minutes.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: CNS on December 31, 2013, 03:27:36 PM
Nigel looks sad on the bench. :frown:

I hope he still gets minutes.

Should be playing.  Did well last game.

Unfortunately for nigel, will is playing well so far and holding his minutes.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: ksupamplemousse on December 31, 2013, 04:40:13 PM
Nigel looks sad on the bench. :frown:

I hope he still gets minutes.

Should be playing.  Did well last game.

Unfortunately for nigel, will is playing well so far and holding his minutes.

 :dubious:

Will was 1-6 from the floor, missed his only FT, and had one assist and one turnover. I guess he wasn't actively trying to score buckets for the other team, but he wasn't doing much for the Cats either. Nigel needs to be on the floor more, and not at the expense of Foster and Thomas.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Jackstack99EMAW on December 31, 2013, 04:41:34 PM
Jevon is a stud, hope he improves his finish at the rim and shot tho.  Smart passer with great vision along with great defense.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: puniraptor on December 31, 2013, 05:26:36 PM
oscar said the egg thing again in postgame, so he must have heard how much people liked it.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: chum1 on December 31, 2013, 06:01:36 PM
Who knew Angel would be so easy to replace?  Other than oscar, I mean.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Pete on December 31, 2013, 06:05:20 PM
Who knew Angel would be so easy to replace?  Other than oscar, I mean.

Not me, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kso_FAN on December 31, 2013, 06:21:46 PM
If you aren't loving Jevon something is really, really wrong with you. He's so fun.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: steve dave on December 31, 2013, 06:25:57 PM

If you aren't loving Jevon something is really, really wrong with you. He's so fun.

Reminds me of the good pressey (sp?) kid!
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: UCHADBRO on December 31, 2013, 06:27:08 PM
Can this become the official Kougz was wrong thread?
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: puniraptor on December 31, 2013, 06:34:19 PM

If you aren't loving Jevon something is really, really wrong with you. He's so fun.

Reminds me of the good pressey (sp?) kid!

He's awesome. AND adorable. And now I can't look at him without seeing his little face peeping out of an egg.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: wetwillie on December 31, 2013, 06:41:50 PM
Who knew Angel would be so easy to replace?  Other than oscar, I mean.

Nice to have a pg who isn't out of shape.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: steve dave on December 31, 2013, 06:53:17 PM
Guys, stop
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: sunny_cat on December 31, 2013, 08:03:36 PM
Guys, stop

No, denied.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Jackstack99EMAW on December 31, 2013, 08:04:05 PM
Jevon and Shane overshadowed Foster a bit, but he was a lot more efficient in his scoring today.  I think part of that was how well Shane and Jevon set him up for looks inside and out. 
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: pissclams on December 31, 2013, 09:06:54 PM
he's like a really good blake young mixed with a really good martavious irving. 
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kso_FAN on December 31, 2013, 10:16:11 PM
George Washington Head Coach Mike Lonergan

On GW’s issue’s during K-State’s 20-0 run…
“In all honesty, I think it was their point guard just dominating us. We could not get into an offense. He got up into our point guard and we really struggled with the ball. We could not get into any of our sets. We ended up not getting good shots and those led to easy shots for K-State, so I thought the kid, Jevon [Thomas], dominated that game, despite not making a field goal, with his defensive ball pressure.”

On the team’s offensive struggles…
“I thought we actually got good looks from three. Mikic was ice cold and so was Maurice Creek. I thought in the second half we would make a run, but we never did. We just could not hit an open three. I just think it was that they took Joe [McDonald] out of the game. He is a terrific point guard for us, not the quickest guy in the world, but he was really struggling handling the ball. He had one assist and eight turnovers and I think is assist to turnover ratio is almost four to one. It just was not his night and we do not have another point guard.

On Jevon Thomas…
“Well I figured he had to be pretty good because in his first eligible he played 19 minutes. It just seems like, reading articles and everything, that he is a point guard for the future. What seems like is missing for them – and Will Spradling does a great job and his assist to turnover ratio is awesome, but he is not a true point guard – so that seems like he might be the guy they are missing. I did not know though because we could not really get film on him, that he was that good defensively. He really manhandled us up top. Like I said, we could not even get into our offensive sets. We are not a great one-on-one team so we have to rely on our half court offense, but I have to give him a lot of credit because he was terrific. He did not have a great game offensively, but six assists and no turnovers along with his defensive pressure that does not show up on the stat sheet changed the complexion of the game completely.”

On K-State’s defense…
“I think they guard the three real well and they are smart. They are not the most athletic team that we will play, but Spradling is a really smart player. He will pressure you and he is great at taking charges. Their help side defense is good. Even Gipson we thought got to the basket and laid out for charges and changed our shots. Isaiah [Armwood] was 1-of-7 and part of that is the help defense with what Gipson provided for Kansas State. It is a good culture here. They have a very good defensive coach, and that is why I told our guys that this is not the same team that beat us last year. They are totally different players but they are still going to rebound. Last year we gave up 24 offensive rebounds and today we only gave up 12 today. Still, that physical play really hurt us. That is what their coach does and if [Thomas] is good as they think he is, because they are playing him over Nigel Johnson, then that will be a key for their season. That defense is pretty good. Joe [McDonald] has played some pretty good teams and nobody has taken the ball from him like that.”
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: pissclams on December 31, 2013, 10:45:57 PM
i like lonergan
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: pvegs on December 31, 2013, 10:51:18 PM
we are making the tourney
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Boondock Poonhound on January 01, 2014, 05:46:44 AM
we are making the tourney

Perhaps. If Shane stays away from Western Unions.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kim carnes on January 01, 2014, 09:49:38 AM
I watched the game last night and I like him, but he looks pretty raw offensively.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: wetwillie on January 01, 2014, 09:54:17 AM
I was hoping Jevon's 23 would mean less than 28 for will.  Instead it appears it means Nigel Johnson gets cut back to negligible minutes. 
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: tuck34 on January 01, 2014, 10:04:58 AM
George Washington Head Coach Mike Lonergan

On GW’s issue’s during K-State’s 20-0 run…
“In all honesty, I think it was their point guard just dominating us. We could not get into an offense. He got up into our point guard and we really struggled with the ball. We could not get into any of our sets. We ended up not getting good shots and those led to easy shots for K-State, so I thought the kid, Jevon [Thomas], dominated that game, despite not making a field goal, with his defensive ball pressure.”

On the team’s offensive struggles…
“I thought we actually got good looks from three. Mikic was ice cold and so was Maurice Creek. I thought in the second half we would make a run, but we never did. We just could not hit an open three. I just think it was that they took Joe [McDonald] out of the game. He is a terrific point guard for us, not the quickest guy in the world, but he was really struggling handling the ball. He had one assist and eight turnovers and I think is assist to turnover ratio is almost four to one. It just was not his night and we do not have another point guard.

On Jevon Thomas…
“Well I figured he had to be pretty good because in his first eligible he played 19 minutes. It just seems like, reading articles and everything, that he is a point guard for the future. What seems like is missing for them – and Will Spradling does a great job and his assist to turnover ratio is awesome, but he is not a true point guard – so that seems like he might be the guy they are missing. I did not know though because we could not really get film on him, that he was that good defensively. He really manhandled us up top. Like I said, we could not even get into our offensive sets. We are not a great one-on-one team so we have to rely on our half court offense, but I have to give him a lot of credit because he was terrific. He did not have a great game offensively, but six assists and no turnovers along with his defensive pressure that does not show up on the stat sheet changed the complexion of the game completely.”

On K-State’s defense…
“I think they guard the three real well and they are smart. They are not the most athletic team that we will play, but Spradling is a really smart player. He will pressure you and he is great at taking charges. Their help side defense is good. Even Gipson we thought got to the basket and laid out for charges and changed our shots. Isaiah [Armwood] was 1-of-7 and part of that is the help defense with what Gipson provided for Kansas State. It is a good culture here. They have a very good defensive coach, and that is why I told our guys that this is not the same team that beat us last year. They are totally different players but they are still going to rebound. Last year we gave up 24 offensive rebounds and today we only gave up 12 today. Still, that physical play really hurt us. That is what their coach does and if [Thomas] is good as they think he is, because they are playing him over Nigel Johnson, then that will be a key for their season. That defense is pretty good. Joe [McDonald] has played some pretty good teams and nobody has taken the ball from him like that.”

wow, that's quite a commentary on thomas!
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: SwiftCat on January 01, 2014, 11:06:41 AM
Does every coach know the opposing players names, down to a guy playing his second game and the back up point guard? Usually they just call then by their numbers.

Those were fun quotes. That was very nice of their coach to say
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kostakio on January 01, 2014, 11:14:10 AM
Does every coach know the opposing players names, down to a guy playing his second game and the back up point guard? Usually they just call then by their numbers.

Those were fun quotes. That was very nice of their coach to say

 Nigel was committed to GW before he flipped to KSU.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: SwiftCat on January 01, 2014, 11:20:03 AM
Thanks kostakio. That makes a lot of sense
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: pvegs on January 01, 2014, 12:27:31 PM
I was hoping Jevon's 23 would mean less than 28 for will.  Instead it appears it means Nigel Johnson gets cut back to negligible minutes.

Yeah wasn't happy about that. Pretty sure freshman Nigel can manage senior Will's 1-6 lead the team in fouls stat line.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Stevesie60 on January 01, 2014, 12:47:39 PM
Jevon-Foster-Westicles-Shane-Gip with the second string being Nigel-Spradling-Omari-Nino-DJamer. This would be just amazing.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: sunny_cat on January 01, 2014, 12:53:17 PM
Jevon-Foster-Westicles-Shane-Gip with the second string being Nigel-Spradling-Omari-Nino-DJamer. This would be just amazing.

Exactly.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kso_FAN on January 01, 2014, 12:59:35 PM
I like that line-up.

Will has the highest kenpom Offensive rating on the team tho...

 :surprised:

 :eye:
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: sunny_cat on January 01, 2014, 01:00:22 PM
I like that line-up.

Will has the highest kenpom Offensive rating on the team tho...

 :surprised:

 :eye:

:don'tcare:
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Stevesie60 on January 01, 2014, 01:00:41 PM
I like that line-up.

Will has the highest kenpom Offensive rating on the team tho...

 :surprised:

 :eye:

Shut up _FAN, you don't know anything.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: pvegs on January 01, 2014, 01:06:19 PM
I like that line-up.

Will has the highest kenpom Offensive rating on the team tho...

 :surprised:

 :eye:

That's crazy. He's shooting 33% from the field, 32% from 3, and 68% FTs, all career lows. Guess kenpom forgot to figure in the pvegs hatred factor.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kso_FAN on January 01, 2014, 01:13:40 PM
In Big 12 play I expect to see MPG something like this (math probably doesn't add up):

Southwell 30-35.
Foster 30-35.
Thomas 25-30.
Will 25-30.
Gip 25-30.
Westicles 20-25.
Nigel 10-15.
DJamer 10-15.
Omari 5-10.
Nino 5-10.

FWIW, Will probably benefits in the kp ORting because he rarely turns the ball over.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: EMAWzified on January 01, 2014, 01:37:13 PM
We've heard announcers all season repeat what they had to be hearing from coaches that Will would be much better off when he was able to move to the 2 guard. Didn't see much improvement yesterday, although he did hit a 3 after a nice assist from Jevon. Fact is, he many times won't take open shots and misses them when he does. He's a facilitator, mostly, and with Jevon and Shane on the floor, kind of redundant.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kso_FAN on January 01, 2014, 01:42:04 PM
What will brings this year:

1) Never turns the ball over, offensive facilitator, not a creator; get the ball to the creators in spots to create.
2) Clear understanding of oscar's defense; despite being the most unathletic guy who plays, he's got solid steal numbers.
3) Decent shooting. His 32% is still 2nd on the team. I'd guess he'll finish 33-34% for the year and 2nd/3rd on the team.

Thus he'll play 25-30 MPG most likely. He'll likely go on a run of making 3s at some point this year.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: puniraptor on January 01, 2014, 02:23:21 PM
As long as zero of those minutes are at point, I can live with that.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kso_FAN on January 01, 2014, 02:30:05 PM
As long as zero of those minutes are at point, I can live with that.

Absolutely, he shouldn't play one more possession at PG all year. But even at the beginning of yesterday's game, Shane essentially played the point until Jevon came in.

Right now my question is when does oscar start Jevon? I would expect that soon we'll see Jevon-Will-Marcus-Shane-Gip with Westicles being the first perimeter and DJamer being the first post off the bench.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Jackstack99EMAW on January 01, 2014, 02:30:12 PM
Jevon-Foster-Westicles-Shane-Gip with the second string being Nigel-Spradling-Omari-Nino-DJamer. This would be just amazing.
For this year, yeah.  Next, I want Jevon-Foster-Edwards/Westicles-Gip-Hurt.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Jackstack99EMAW on January 01, 2014, 02:32:48 PM
In Big 12 play I expect to see MPG something like this (math probably doesn't add up):

Southwell 30-35.
Foster 30-35.
Thomas 25-30.
Will 25-30.
Gip 25-30.
Westicles 20-25.
Nigel 10-15.
DJamer 10-15.
Omari 5-10.
Nino 5-10.

FWIW, Will probably benefits in the kp ORting because he rarely turns the ball over.
Why does anyone on the coaching staff think Will is even remotely valuable?  He doesn't turn the ball over, but he now is horrible at everything else.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: sunny_cat on January 01, 2014, 02:33:41 PM
Jevon-Foster-Westicles-Shane-Gip with the second string being Nigel-Spradling-Omari-Nino-DJamer. This would be just amazing.
For this year, yeah.  Next, I want Jevon-Foster-Edwards/Westicles-Gip-Hurt.

With Nigel-Harris-Westicles-Nino-DJamer/Bolden as back-ups.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kso_FAN on January 01, 2014, 02:34:20 PM
Why does anyone on the coaching staff think Will is even remotely valuable?  He doesn't turn the ball over, but he now is horrible at everything else.

He does lead the team in steals with solid per 100 numbers. 2nd best 3PT shooter. :dunno:

Jevon-Foster-Westicles-Shane-Gip with the second string being Nigel-Spradling-Omari-Nino-DJamer. This would be just amazing.
For this year, yeah.  Next, I want Jevon-Foster-Edwards/Westicles-Gip-Hurt.

It will be interesting to see if oscar continues to play 1 true big next year, I expect that he will. Likely Jevon-Edwards-Foster-Westicles-Gip.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: sunny_cat on January 01, 2014, 02:36:08 PM
It will be interesting to see if oscar continues to play 1 true big next year, I expect that he will. Likely Jevon-Edwards-Foster-Westicles-Gip.

Good point.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: chum1 on January 01, 2014, 02:37:37 PM
Looks like Spradling has had sex with lots of goemawers' girlfriends.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Jackstack99EMAW on January 01, 2014, 02:39:27 PM
Why does anyone on the coaching staff think Will is even remotely valuable?  He doesn't turn the ball over, but he now is horrible at everything else.

He does lead the team in steals with solid per 100 numbers. 2nd best 3PT shooter. :dunno:

Jevon-Foster-Westicles-Shane-Gip with the second string being Nigel-Spradling-Omari-Nino-DJamer. This would be just amazing.
For this year, yeah.  Next, I want Jevon-Foster-Edwards/Westicles-Gip-Hurt.

It will be interesting to see if oscar continues to play 1 true big next year, I expect that he will. Likely Jevon-Edwards-Foster-Westicles-Gip.
I guess the stats might back him up, but doesn't film show that he's clearly the most worthless guy on the team?  Maybe I'm wrong.  I would be  :horrorsurprise: if I was tho. 
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Jackstack99EMAW on January 01, 2014, 02:40:57 PM
It will be interesting to see if oscar continues to play 1 true big next year, I expect that he will. Likely Jevon-Edwards-Foster-Westicles-Gip.

Good point.
Hurt has good perimeter and inside game, from what I've seen and heard.  DJamer doesn't really and Southwell is undersized.  Gip would prob be less outmatched by bigger guys in conf play at PF too.  Will be interesting like _FAN said.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: TownieCat on January 01, 2014, 02:41:22 PM
It will be interesting to see if oscar continues to play 1 true big next year, I expect that he will. Likely Jevon-Edwards-Foster-Westicles-Gip.

Good point.

Wes needs to put on some lbs this summer to play the stretch 4. Shane can do it because he has decent size and strength.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: sunny_cat on January 01, 2014, 02:42:20 PM
It will be interesting to see if oscar continues to play 1 true big next year, I expect that he will. Likely Jevon-Edwards-Foster-Westicles-Gip.

Good point.
Hurt has good perimeter and inside game, from what I've seen and heard.  DJamer doesn't really and Southwell is undersized.  Gip would prob be less outmatched by bigger guys in conf play at PF too.  Will be interesting like _FAN said.

Shane is a senior.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Panjandrum on January 01, 2014, 02:44:23 PM
As long as zero of those minutes are at point, I can live with that.

Absolutely, he shouldn't play one more possession at PG all year. But even at the beginning of yesterday's game, Shane essentially played the point until Jevon came in.

Right now my question is when does oscar start Jevon? I would expect that soon we'll see Jevon-Will-Marcus-Shane-Gip with Westicles being the first perimeter and DJamer being the first post off the bench.

I would prefer Saturday, but my gut says oscar waits until after the @KU game.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Jackstack99EMAW on January 01, 2014, 02:45:39 PM
It will be interesting to see if oscar continues to play 1 true big next year, I expect that he will. Likely Jevon-Edwards-Foster-Westicles-Gip.

Good point.
Hurt has good perimeter and inside game, from what I've seen and heard.  DJamer doesn't really and Southwell is undersized.  Gip would prob be less outmatched by bigger guys in conf play at PF too.  Will be interesting like _FAN said.

Shane is a senior.
Ik, I meant that we would have more size and power by moving Gip to PF and would be able to match up better like that.  They may be the same height but Gip has a better inside game overall.  With oscar's offense, we might go stretch 4 again though like _FAN said. 
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: sunny_cat on January 01, 2014, 02:46:19 PM
 :thumbs:
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Jackstack99EMAW on January 01, 2014, 02:46:24 PM
As long as zero of those minutes are at point, I can live with that.

Absolutely, he shouldn't play one more possession at PG all year. But even at the beginning of yesterday's game, Shane essentially played the point until Jevon came in.

Right now my question is when does oscar start Jevon? I would expect that soon we'll see Jevon-Will-Marcus-Shane-Gip with Westicles being the first perimeter and DJamer being the first post off the bench.

I would prefer Saturday, but my gut says oscar waits until after the @KU game.
I think everyone would prefer Saturday. 
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kso_FAN on January 01, 2014, 02:46:37 PM
I guess the stats might back him up, but doesn't film show that he's clearly the most worthless guy on the team?  Maybe I'm wrong.  I would be  :horrorsurprise: if I was tho. 

Can the numbers be a bit deceiving? Yes. Do they outright lie? No.

He has had immense value (and played a lot) for each coach he's played for, including one that supposedly hated him. :dunno:

One of those things I guess.

Also, there are no signs that Gip is "outmatched" in conference play. He was a beast (scoring and boarding) last year against Big 12 bigs:

(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg803%2F9836%2Fkstate3613big12per100ra.png&hash=1096aef64ff2d4596544ca3410f5a45da4c414a8)
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Panjandrum on January 01, 2014, 02:49:19 PM
Why does anyone on the coaching staff think Will is even remotely valuable?  He doesn't turn the ball over, but he now is horrible at everything else.

He does lead the team in steals with solid per 100 numbers. 2nd best 3PT shooter. :dunno:

Jevon-Foster-Westicles-Shane-Gip with the second string being Nigel-Spradling-Omari-Nino-DJamer. This would be just amazing.
For this year, yeah.  Next, I want Jevon-Foster-Edwards/Westicles-Gip-Hurt.

It will be interesting to see if oscar continues to play 1 true big next year, I expect that he will. Likely Jevon-Edwards-Foster-Westicles-Gip.

If that's the case, we're going to be carrying a lot of bigs: Gipson, Hurt, DJamer, Bolden

I think it's pretty much a given that Krap is going to transfer out.  If we go with Westicles at the four, Nino probably comes off of the bench for him.  Then we rotate Thomas, Foster, Edwards, Nigel, and Harris on the perimeter.

If we get Marvin Clark, I can see him getting a couple of minutes at the four as well behind Westicles/Nino.

I'd like for them to take Krap's scholarship and get the best transfer they can.  We really don't need much of anything next year that a freshman or JUCO guy can provide.  We actually have pretty decent balance.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Jackstack99EMAW on January 01, 2014, 02:49:57 PM
I guess the stats might back him up, but doesn't film show that he's clearly the most worthless guy on the team?  Maybe I'm wrong.  I would be  :horrorsurprise: if I was tho. 

Can the numbers be a bit deceiving? Yes. Do they outright lie? No.

He has had immense value (and played a lot) for each coach he's played for, including one that supposedly hated him. :dunno:

One of those things I guess.

Also, there are no signs that Gip is "outmatched" in conference play. He was a beast (scoring and boarding) last year against Big 12 bigs:

(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg803%2F9836%2Fkstate3613big12per100ra.png&hash=1096aef64ff2d4596544ca3410f5a45da4c414a8)
Glad I'm wrong then, good to have non worthless players!   :thumbs:  Good news on Gip too.   :Woot:  But what will we do for 4 then?  Westicles?  I want Hurt to start.   :Crybaby:  Could part of him doing well against B12 bigs be Henriquez tho?
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: sunny_cat on January 01, 2014, 02:50:51 PM
We really don't need much of anything next year that a freshman or JUCO guy can provide.  We actually have pretty decent balance.

#bruceketball
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Panjandrum on January 01, 2014, 02:54:44 PM
We really don't need much of anything next year that a freshman or JUCO guy can provide.  We actually have pretty decent balance.

#bruceketball

Well, I should elaborate on that.  We won't get much of anything from what will be available that we can actually recruit.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kso_FAN on January 01, 2014, 02:55:02 PM
I'll say what I've always said about Will; he's at his best when you really don't remember him playing. He hits open shots, but probably not too many. He doesn't get beat badly on defense and gets a few steals. He has a few assists, but nothing eye popping.

He's really frustrating to watch when he doesn't hit shots, but he clearly (in the eyes of his coaches) does some valuable things.

The one thing I've notice most about him this year is that he's hitting the boards much better than last year. His improvement on steals is notable as well.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: sunny_cat on January 01, 2014, 02:55:58 PM
We really don't need much of anything next year that a freshman or JUCO guy can provide.  We actually have pretty decent balance.

#bruceketball

Well, I should elaborate on that.  We won't get much of anything from what will be available that we can actually recruit.

Yeah, I knew what you meant.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Jackstack99EMAW on January 01, 2014, 02:57:08 PM
I'll say what I've always said about Will; he's at his best when you really don't remember him playing. He hits open shots, but probably not too many. He doesn't get beat badly on defense and gets a few steals. He has a few assists, but nothing eye popping.

He's really frustrating to watch when he doesn't hit shots, but he clearly (in the eyes of his coaches) does some valuable things.

The one thing I've notice most about him this year is that he's hitting the boards much better than last year. His improvement on steals is notable as well.
I've noticed this as well fwiw _FAN, esp yesterday.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: EMAWzified on January 01, 2014, 03:04:10 PM
I don't see a hell of a lot here to suggest Will has great value. He doesn't make many turnovers, which should be expected of someone who basically reverses the ball. And anyone expecting he is going rain 3s for a stretch hasn't paid attention to his career to date.

I guess the stats might back him up, but doesn't film show that he's clearly the most worthless guy on the team?  Maybe I'm wrong.  I would be  :horrorsurprise: if I was tho. 

Can the numbers be a bit deceiving? Yes. Do they outright lie? No.

He has had immense value (and played a lot) for each coach he's played for, including one that supposedly hated him. :dunno:

One of those things I guess.

Also, there are no signs that Gip is "outmatched" in conference play. He was a beast (scoring and boarding) last year against Big 12 bigs:

(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg803%2F9836%2Fkstate3613big12per100ra.png&hash=1096aef64ff2d4596544ca3410f5a45da4c414a8)
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Kat Kid on January 01, 2014, 03:26:20 PM
I don't mind will this year nearly as much as I did last year.  It is because he is playing better and his offensive use will decline.  We still need him as a 3pt shooter.  I wish we had a backyard shooter too, but we don't.  We have will.  Is what he is.  He is actually quite a bit better than Clent Stewart.  Mostly because he is not playing point and he doesn't turn the ball over.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kso_FAN on January 01, 2014, 03:32:38 PM
I don't mind will this year nearly as much as I did last year.  It is because he is playing better and his offensive use will decline.  We still need him as a 3pt shooter.  I wish we had a backyard shooter too, but we don't.  We have will.  Is what he is.  He is actually quite a bit better than Clent Stewart.  Mostly because he is not playing point and he doesn't turn the ball over.

Good points. Even without Jevon his %Shots was only above DJamer and Westicles (and Wesley is a FT rate machine) and his %Poss was the lowest on the team, so his use is already a ball mover, assists "within the offense", and hit a few shots.

I'm hopeful he can shoot 35% 3PT in Big 12 play (last year he shot 40% 3PT in Big 12 games.)
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kim carnes on January 01, 2014, 03:35:15 PM
There is nothing a person can say to convince me that Spradling should play even 5 mpg.  He is absolutely awful, I'm pretty sure one of his FTs hit the backboard yesterday.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kso_FAN on January 01, 2014, 03:36:50 PM
I'm pretty sure one of his FTs hit the backboard yesterday.

He's FT shooting this year is weird. He's never had a season below 82% in his career and he's shooting 68%. He has to be playing mind games with himself.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: slobber on January 01, 2014, 04:22:20 PM
I'm pretty sure one of his FTs hit the backboard yesterday.

He's FT shooting this year is weird. He's never had a season below 82% in his career and he's shooting 68%. He has to be playing mind games with himself.
They said he had the nips or the yips or something on the radio broadcast. It didn't sound to serious. Hopefully clears up quickly what ever it is.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on January 02, 2014, 04:19:02 PM
Quote
Three emerging role players
1. Jevon Thomas, Kansas State: Jet quick point guard has played just two games for the Wildcats and has dished out 10 assists without committing a single turnover. Ineligible for the first semester for academic reasons, Thomas' presence should only enhance Kansas State's perimeter that already features Will Spradling, Shane Southwell and freshman Marcus Foster.

 Has played 2 games and CBS is already all over his ball.


http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/24394423/ok-sts-championship-aspirations-take-blow-with-cobbins-injury (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/24394423/ok-sts-championship-aspirations-take-blow-with-cobbins-injury)
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: hemmy on January 02, 2014, 04:20:30 PM
Quote
Three emerging role players
1. Jevon Thomas, Kansas State: Jet quick point guard has played just two games for the Wildcats and has dished out 10 assists without committing a single turnover. Ineligible for the first semester for academic reasons, Thomas' presence should only enhance Kansas State's perimeter that already features Will Spradling, Shane Southwell and freshman Marcus Foster.

 Has played 2 games and CBS is already all over his ball.


http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/24394423/ok-sts-championship-aspirations-take-blow-with-cobbins-injury (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/24394423/ok-sts-championship-aspirations-take-blow-with-cobbins-injury)

Only 1 ball? Interesting if true.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: TownieCat on January 02, 2014, 04:21:03 PM
Quote
Three emerging role players
1. Jevon Thomas, Kansas State: Jet quick point guard has played just two games for the Wildcats and has dished out 10 assists without committing a single turnover. Ineligible for the first semester for academic reasons, Thomas' presence should only enhance Kansas State's perimeter that already features Will Spradling, Shane Southwell and freshman Marcus Foster.

 Has played 2 games and CBS is already all over his ball.


http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/24394423/ok-sts-championship-aspirations-take-blow-with-cobbins-injury (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/24394423/ok-sts-championship-aspirations-take-blow-with-cobbins-injury)


 :flush:
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Cire on January 02, 2014, 04:22:44 PM
I bet JT gets a foul called the first time he says hi to marcus smart.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: bones129 on January 02, 2014, 04:35:41 PM
I bet JT gets a foul called the first time he says hi to marcus smart.

 :lol:
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on January 02, 2014, 09:54:30 PM
Spradling actually played really good D last game I thought
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Belvis Noland on January 02, 2014, 10:29:33 PM
Spradling actually played really good D last game I thought

He did.  Just has issues with players faster and stronger than him. 
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: mocat on January 03, 2014, 08:52:00 AM
don't worry guys, future looks bright for our guy to start soon:

Quote from: Wikipedia
Thomas Jevon was an English playwright, and one of the first English Harlequins. He began his career as a dancing master, but worked his way onto the stage

Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: sunny_cat on January 03, 2014, 11:34:47 AM
don't worry guys, future looks bright for our guy to start soon:

Quote from: Wikipedia
Thomas Jevon was an English playwright, and one of the first English Harlequins. He began his career as a dancing master, but worked his way onto the stage

 :dubious:
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kso_FAN on January 08, 2014, 02:31:55 PM
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Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: puniraptor on January 08, 2014, 02:32:40 PM
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 :D joyous!
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Tobias on January 08, 2014, 02:34:11 PM
omg fan :lol:
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Stevesie60 on January 08, 2014, 02:37:58 PM
Oh man :lol:
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Prince McJunkins on January 08, 2014, 02:44:35 PM
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Amazing. This made my afternoon.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Tobias on January 08, 2014, 02:46:41 PM
like seriously, that's one of my favorite gifs ever :lol:
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: TownieCat on January 08, 2014, 02:53:01 PM
 :love:
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Gooch on January 08, 2014, 02:54:30 PM
This place is worth every penny I pay for the premium subscription.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on January 08, 2014, 03:32:37 PM
OMG! That's great  :lol:
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on January 08, 2014, 03:43:29 PM
that's v funny
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kso_FAN on January 09, 2014, 02:09:26 PM
:love:

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Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: puniraptor on January 09, 2014, 02:59:49 PM
he is just skyrocketing to the top of the pound for pound adorability charts
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Benja on January 09, 2014, 09:24:36 PM
Jevon Thomas is shy and hates camera interviews. Now how rough ridin' adorable is that.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: chunkles on January 09, 2014, 09:31:59 PM
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OMG
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Hurricane Cat on January 09, 2014, 10:05:46 PM
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 :thumbs:  :ROFL:
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Cartierfor3 on January 09, 2014, 10:06:39 PM
Jevon Thomas is shy and hates camera interviews. Now how rough ridin' adorable is that.

You who else was like that? Darren Sproles.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: TownieCat on January 09, 2014, 10:14:25 PM
Jevon Thomas is shy and hates camera interviews. Now how rough ridin' adorable is that.

By many accounts JT never shuts up. My guess is he is guarded from the media.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on January 10, 2014, 01:14:30 PM
It would be even more adorable if he said stuff like Jameis Winston, "I went in there and asked them if dey strong, and dey said we strong if you strong, so I said we strong den!"
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: 'taterblast on January 10, 2014, 01:15:06 PM
 :blank:
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: sunny_cat on January 10, 2014, 01:15:42 PM
 :D I thought it was funny, Luke!
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: CNS on January 10, 2014, 01:38:19 PM
It would be even more adorable if he said stuff like Jameis Winston, "I went in there and asked them if dey strong, and dey said we strong if you strong, so I said we strong den!"

Ppl that hate that quote are dumbasses. 

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Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on January 10, 2014, 01:39:18 PM
It would be even more adorable if he said stuff like Jameis Winston, "I went in there and asked them if dey strong, and dey said we strong if you strong, so I said we strong den!"

Ppl that hate that quote are dumbasses. 

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I don't hate it! I thought it was adorbs
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Stevesie60 on January 10, 2014, 02:34:20 PM
I love Winston interviews. Don't know what everyone was being so complainy about.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: ksupamplemousse on March 23, 2014, 09:45:38 PM
"We have a good group of freshman, Jevon is going to be a heck of a player." - oscar Weber
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: sunny_cat on March 23, 2014, 09:53:10 PM
eff the haters, JT!  :emawkid:

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Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: 'taterblast on November 26, 2014, 10:24:51 PM
i don't think i like him very much
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: star seed 7 on November 26, 2014, 11:06:50 PM
Seems to like handing the ball to the team we are trying to beat
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Cire on November 27, 2014, 08:48:14 AM
All of our young/New guys are making lots of mistakes because they know nothing's going to happen.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: CNS on November 27, 2014, 08:55:01 AM
So far, it seems like the biggest thing the players need to keep PT up is to avoid getting up 10-3 on a team early.  #PullThemAll 
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: 'taterblast on December 06, 2014, 03:07:52 PM
real scrappy out there so far today on a shitty team
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: SdK on December 06, 2014, 03:08:59 PM
real scrappy out there so far today on a shitty team
That change of ball trajectory. :love:
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: renocat on January 07, 2015, 09:43:05 PM
I am going to start calling Javon, Flashtic = a flashy spastic.  He keeps killing runs by making stupid moves or blind dog passes.  He can't get good passes to Gipson or to Marcus.  His forte last year was defense.  He play D likes he is constipated.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: gatoveintisiet on January 08, 2015, 10:11:54 AM
It's a shame that our best guy getting to the basket  can't make a layup, dish it off without a to, or make a free throw if fouled.  Pretty much the anti-triple threat.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: michigancat on January 08, 2015, 11:04:07 AM
I am going to start calling Javon, Flashtic = a flashy spastic.  He keeps killing runs by making stupid moves or blind dog passes.  He can't get good passes to Gipson or to Marcus.  His forte last year was defense.  He play D likes he is constipated.

he isn't flashy at all, he's just not good
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kso_FAN on January 08, 2015, 11:05:47 AM
4 assists, 1 turnover.

:willtake:
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: sunny_cat on January 08, 2015, 11:06:37 AM
4 assists, 1 turnover.

:willtake:

 :love:
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: mocat on January 08, 2015, 11:16:01 AM
if my math is correct that is like a 6:1 A:TO ratio  :love:
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: TownieCat on January 08, 2015, 11:18:14 AM
4 assists, 1 turnover.

:willtake:

IIRC he opted to throw the ball at oscar's face instead of shooting a layup on that one turnover.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Cire on January 08, 2015, 12:43:59 PM
he had a couple good finishes last night in the second half.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 10, 2015, 08:16:13 PM
THIS IS THE JEVON WE NEED, GREAT GAME JEVON!
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: wetwillie on January 10, 2015, 08:17:26 PM
I'd be updating the resume if I were whoever that other sophomore guard is. 
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kso_FAN on January 10, 2015, 08:19:17 PM
Yes, he was fantastic today.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: MakeItRain on January 10, 2015, 08:25:07 PM
Yes, he was fantastic today.

His defense on Hield was garbage, but so was everyone else
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kso_FAN on January 10, 2015, 08:26:36 PM
Yes, he was fantastic today.

His defense on Hield was garbage, but so was everyone else

Overall our defense was very good, Hield is a also really good player.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: MakeItRain on January 10, 2015, 08:31:07 PM
Yes, he was fantastic today.

His defense on Hield was garbage, but so was everyone else

Overall our defense was very good, Hield is a also really good player.

Of course, but you don't want to be giving up 30 to anyone. A lot of his first half points were from slow rotations, second half he was just going around people.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: catzacker on January 10, 2015, 08:31:27 PM
Yes, he was fantastic today.

His defense on Hield was garbage, but so was everyone else

I think the standard for Jevon is just set lower.  Like, if you imagine he's a 16yr old playing college basketball then he had a good game.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kso_FAN on January 10, 2015, 08:34:43 PM
I'll take 6 assists and 2 TOs on the road from Jevon any day.

Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: MakeItRain on January 10, 2015, 08:35:35 PM
Yes, he was fantastic today.

His defense on Hield was garbage, but so was everyone else

I think the standard for Jevon is just set lower.  Like, if you imagine he's a 16yr old playing college basketball then he had a good game.

I'm not as down on Jevon as you seem to be. I think there is a formula for him to be successful.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: michigancat on January 10, 2015, 08:37:59 PM
I'll take 6 assists and 2 TOs on the road from Jevon any day.
That's pretty much what Zack said
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kso_FAN on January 10, 2015, 08:38:46 PM
I'll take 6 assists and 2 TOs on the road from Jevon any day.
That's pretty much what Zack said

Good.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: catzacker on January 10, 2015, 08:38:54 PM
Yes, he was fantastic today.

His defense on Hield was garbage, but so was everyone else

I think the standard for Jevon is just set lower.  Like, if you imagine he's a 16yr old playing college basketball then he had a good game.

I'm not as down on Jevon as you seem to be. I think there is a formula for him to be successful.

I don't see it.  Not with oscar.  I actually can't stand Jevon.  I mean, eff me, be able to shoot the 3 or gtfo.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: MakeItRain on January 10, 2015, 08:40:57 PM
Yes, he was fantastic today.

His defense on Hield was garbage, but so was everyone else

I think the standard for Jevon is just set lower.  Like, if you imagine he's a 16yr old playing college basketball then he had a good game.

I'm not as down on Jevon as you seem to be. I think there is a formula for him to be successful.

I don't see it.  Not with oscar.  I actually can't stand Jevon.  I mean, eff me, be able to shoot the 3 or gtfo.

He doesn't fit what oscar wants to do and neither does Nigel. He needs to play to his personnel next season or send them on their way.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: michigancat on January 10, 2015, 08:41:58 PM
Nigel missed by the most I have ever seen anyone miss tonight
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 10, 2015, 08:44:08 PM
HEY WHINERS, WE rough ridin' WON! ON THE ROAD! AGAINST THE BEST TEAM IN OUR LEAGUE! SHUT UP AND GO AWAY!
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: MakeItRain on January 10, 2015, 08:46:00 PM
Nigel missed by the most I have ever seen anyone miss tonight

I don't know what his minutes were, 3 or 4, but they were historically awful
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: puniraptor on January 10, 2015, 11:49:07 PM
How far do you have to miss by for the stat man not to count it as a shot?
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: wetwillie on January 11, 2015, 07:30:14 AM
How far do you have to miss by for the stat man not to count it as a shot?

Any Nigel Johnson FGA should probably be counted as a turnover IMO
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: AppleJack on January 20, 2015, 06:23:53 PM
There is no hope with this guy
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: pissclams on January 20, 2015, 06:34:11 PM
he's pure crap
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: pissclams on January 20, 2015, 06:34:39 PM
on both ends of the floor
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: AppleJack on January 20, 2015, 06:40:54 PM
ya, he's actually worse on defense than on offense. it's really something to watch.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: wetwillie on January 20, 2015, 06:48:28 PM
#firejevon
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: pvegs on January 20, 2015, 08:05:18 PM
Did Nigel not get mins bc he was still hurt or just bc he sucks too?
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kso_FAN on January 20, 2015, 08:23:22 PM
Did Nigel not get mins bc he was still hurt or just bc he sucks too?

oscar implied he's hurt in postgame. Which sucks.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 20, 2015, 08:43:33 PM
He needs to be recruited over immediately.


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Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: pissclams on January 20, 2015, 08:55:58 PM

He needs to be recruited over immediately.


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the worst pg I've seen at ksucats

can anyone name a worse one?
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Skipper44 on January 20, 2015, 09:25:37 PM

He needs to be recruited over immediately.


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the worst pg I've seen at ksucats
I
can anyone name a worse one?
josh kimm
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kso_FAN on January 20, 2015, 09:31:34 PM
Jevon vs SO Stew vs SO Pulls: http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=jacob-pullen&clent-stewart=2005-2006&i=1&jacob-pullen=2008-2009&p1=jevon-thomas&p2=clent-stewart
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: ltrain on January 20, 2015, 09:33:12 PM

He needs to be recruited over immediately.


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the worst pg I've seen at ksucats

can anyone name a worse one?

Michael Orris
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 20, 2015, 09:37:07 PM
Did Nigel not get mins bc he was still hurt or just bc he sucks too?
I mean, he was hurt, it was his bday, plus one of our best offensive playing guards. So I'd give him the benefit of the doubt on this one--aka oscar.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kso_FAN on January 20, 2015, 09:39:19 PM
oscar implied (he didn't say hurt) that Nigel was hurt. Something like "wasn't available".
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 20, 2015, 09:46:58 PM
oscar implied (he didn't say hurt) that Nigel was hurt. Something like "wasn't available".
Maybe it was a DQ ice cream cake that came into play, cause, I'd quit and be all for that. :D
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 20, 2015, 10:16:59 PM
I thought Nigel got hurt during the game. Why is this a mystery
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 20, 2015, 10:20:55 PM
I thought Nigel got hurt during the game. Why is this a mystery
Cause this board loves mystery theory.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 20, 2015, 10:22:23 PM
I thought Nigel got hurt during the game. Why is this a mystery
Cause this board loves mystery theory.

Like, they slow-mo'ed the injury and then showed him being escorted to the locker room.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kso_FAN on January 20, 2015, 10:32:43 PM

I thought Nigel got hurt during the game. Why is this a mystery
Cause this board loves mystery theory.

Like, they slow-mo'ed the injury and then showed him being escorted to the locker room.

I missed the first half, but this makes sense.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on January 20, 2015, 10:34:27 PM

I thought Nigel got hurt during the game. Why is this a mystery
Cause this board loves mystery theory.

Like, they slow-mo'ed the injury and then showed him being escorted to the locker room.

I missed the first half, but this makes sense.
It sucks,  Nigel appears to be a better fit later in games after the tempo is set and we are running more sets.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 20, 2015, 10:36:57 PM
Jevon vs SO Stew vs SO Pulls: http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=jacob-pullen&clent-stewart=2005-2006&i=1&jacob-pullen=2008-2009&p1=jevon-thomas&p2=clent-stewart

I'm guessing the point here is that the stat profiles are not terribly different, however I never hated the guts out of Jake or Clent.  I guess I don't care what the stats say on this one, Jevon should never play basketball for ksu again.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kso_FAN on January 20, 2015, 10:39:00 PM

Jevon vs SO Stew vs SO Pulls: http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=jacob-pullen&clent-stewart=2005-2006&i=1&jacob-pullen=2008-2009&p1=jevon-thomas&p2=clent-stewart

I'm guessing the point here is that the stat profiles are not terribly different, however I never hated the guts out of Jake or Clent.  I guess I don't care what the stats say on this one, Jevon should never play basketball for ksu again.

Yeah. Just a comparison, but I think Jevon has lots of limitations right now.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: michigancat on January 20, 2015, 10:46:47 PM

Jevon vs SO Stew vs SO Pulls: http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=jacob-pullen&clent-stewart=2005-2006&i=1&jacob-pullen=2008-2009&p1=jevon-thomas&p2=clent-stewart

I'm guessing the point here is that the stat profiles are not terribly different, however I never hated the guts out of Jake or Clent.  I guess I don't care what the stats say on this one, Jevon should never play basketball for ksu again.

Yeah. Just a comparison, but I think Jevon has lots of limitations right now.

Jevon is very comparable to Clent but nothing compared to Pullen. I have no idea why you included Pullen.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on January 20, 2015, 10:49:01 PM
I think putting Jakes numbers up are just a great way to show how fans are typical too hard on young guards.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: mocat on January 20, 2015, 10:51:41 PM

Jevon vs SO Stew vs SO Pulls: http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=jacob-pullen&clent-stewart=2005-2006&i=1&jacob-pullen=2008-2009&p1=jevon-thomas&p2=clent-stewart

I'm guessing the point here is that the stat profiles are not terribly different, however I never hated the guts out of Jake or Clent.  I guess I don't care what the stats say on this one, Jevon should never play basketball for ksu again.

Yeah. Just a comparison, but I think Jevon has lots of limitations right now.

Jevon is very comparable to Clent but nothing compared to Pullen. I have no idea why you included Pullen.

Didn't clent shoot occasionally? I feel like he did but I didn't click those links
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: michigancat on January 20, 2015, 10:53:12 PM

Jevon vs SO Stew vs SO Pulls: http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=jacob-pullen&clent-stewart=2005-2006&i=1&jacob-pullen=2008-2009&p1=jevon-thomas&p2=clent-stewart

I'm guessing the point here is that the stat profiles are not terribly different, however I never hated the guts out of Jake or Clent.  I guess I don't care what the stats say on this one, Jevon should never play basketball for ksu again.

Yeah. Just a comparison, but I think Jevon has lots of limitations right now.

Jevon is very comparable to Clent but nothing compared to Pullen. I have no idea why you included Pullen.

Didn't clent shoot occasionally? I feel like he did but I didn't click those links

no, he amazingly shot less than Jevon. And hit 49% from 3! Although it was for Wooly.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kso_FAN on January 20, 2015, 10:55:28 PM


Jevon vs SO Stew vs SO Pulls: http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=jacob-pullen&clent-stewart=2005-2006&i=1&jacob-pullen=2008-2009&p1=jevon-thomas&p2=clent-stewart

I'm guessing the point here is that the stat profiles are not terribly different, however I never hated the guts out of Jake or Clent.  I guess I don't care what the stats say on this one, Jevon should never play basketball for ksu again.

Yeah. Just a comparison, but I think Jevon has lots of limitations right now.

Jevon is very comparable to Clent but nothing compared to Pullen. I have no idea why you included Pullen.

I thought comparing to what most think is one of our best guards ever and one of our most average seemed appropriate.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: michigancat on January 20, 2015, 10:59:05 PM


Jevon vs SO Stew vs SO Pulls: http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=jacob-pullen&clent-stewart=2005-2006&i=1&jacob-pullen=2008-2009&p1=jevon-thomas&p2=clent-stewart

I'm guessing the point here is that the stat profiles are not terribly different, however I never hated the guts out of Jake or Clent.  I guess I don't care what the stats say on this one, Jevon should never play basketball for ksu again.

Yeah. Just a comparison, but I think Jevon has lots of limitations right now.

Jevon is very comparable to Clent but nothing compared to Pullen. I have no idea why you included Pullen.

I thought comparing to what most think is one of our best guards ever and one of our most average seemed appropriate.

perhaps more interesting is how unfavorably he compares to Frank Richards (who I remember really disliking as a player)

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=frank-richards&clent-stewart=2005-2006&frank-richards=2002-2003&i=1&jacob-pullen=2008-2009&p1=jevon-thomas&p2=clent-stewart&p3=jacob-pullen
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kso_FAN on January 20, 2015, 11:00:50 PM
Frank might be my least favorite Wildcat player of all time. And yeah.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: mocat on January 20, 2015, 11:03:25 PM
You guys this is only tangentially related to this topic, if at all, but look me in the face and tell me you wouldn't like to have some downtown Fred Brown
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: michigancat on January 20, 2015, 11:05:04 PM
You guys this is only tangentially related to this topic, if at all, but look me in the face and tell me you wouldn't like to have some downtown Fred Brown
I would never do anything that idiotic
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: wabash909 on January 21, 2015, 03:44:30 AM

Yeah. Just a comparison, but I think Jevon has lots of limitations right now.

If by limitations, you mean all things related to being a good division one basketball player, then yes, Jevon Thomas is severely limited.



Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Kat Kid on January 21, 2015, 07:36:36 AM
Jevon really makes me pine for the days of Jarrett Hart and Aaron Schwarzendrubber.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kso_FAN on January 21, 2015, 08:21:52 AM
Jevon really makes me pine for the days of Jarrett Hart and Aaron Schwarzendrubber.

Here's the ultimate question; Jevon or Stew?
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 21, 2015, 08:26:10 AM
Jevon really makes me pine for the days of Jarrett Hart and Aaron Schwarzendrubber.

Here's the ultimate question; Jevon or Stew?

I would choose Stew, and then swiftly bench him.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: 8manpick on January 21, 2015, 08:30:33 AM
I think Jevon has more potential based on athleticism alone, so I have slight hope that he may end up better than stew
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: AppleJack on January 21, 2015, 08:35:38 AM
I like when Jevon's man just bombs 3 after 3 on him and all he does is throw his hands up and looks at his bench.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Pett on January 21, 2015, 08:37:54 AM
That missed lay-up in the last five minutes tho :flush:
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 21, 2015, 08:38:55 AM
As bad as Jevon is, I still think he is the most improved player on the team and that he should be a lot better next year.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kslim on January 21, 2015, 08:51:08 AM
As bad as Jevon is, I still think he is the most improved player on the team and that he should be a lot better next year.
but if your "a lot better" is still rough ridin' terrible why bother?
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 21, 2015, 08:51:53 AM
As bad as Jevon is, I still think he is the most improved player on the team and that he should be a lot better next year.
but if your "a lot better" is still rough ridin' terrible why bother?

I think he has improved from terrible last season to mediocre this season.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kslim on January 21, 2015, 08:53:00 AM
As bad as Jevon is, I still think he is the most improved player on the team and that he should be a lot better next year.
but if your "a lot better" is still rough ridin' terrible why bother?

I think he has improved from terrible last season to mediocre this season.
nope, he rough ridin' sucks
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: pissclams on January 21, 2015, 08:54:57 AM
that rough ridin' clown is not mediocre, my God what's wrong with you to say something like that?
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Bill Clarahan on January 21, 2015, 10:14:32 AM


Jevon vs SO Stew vs SO Pulls: http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=jacob-pullen&clent-stewart=2005-2006&i=1&jacob-pullen=2008-2009&p1=jevon-thomas&p2=clent-stewart

I'm guessing the point here is that the stat profiles are not terribly different, however I never hated the guts out of Jake or Clent.  I guess I don't care what the stats say on this one, Jevon should never play basketball for ksu again.

Yeah. Just a comparison, but I think Jevon has lots of limitations right now.

Jevon is very comparable to Clent but nothing compared to Pullen. I have no idea why you included Pullen.

I thought comparing to what most think is one of our best guards ever and one of our most average seemed appropriate.

perhaps more interesting is how unfavorably he compares to Frank Richards (who I remember really disliking as a player)

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=frank-richards&clent-stewart=2005-2006&frank-richards=2002-2003&i=1&jacob-pullen=2008-2009&p1=jevon-thomas&p2=clent-stewart&p3=jacob-pullen

I've thought JT was Frank Richards reincarnated from the beginning, and I've hated him as a player for that reason
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: michigancat on January 21, 2015, 10:21:52 AM
that rough ridin' clown is not mediocre, my God what's wrong with you to say something like that?
People generally confuse "mediocre" with "terrible", I think.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: michigancat on January 21, 2015, 10:22:40 AM


Jevon vs SO Stew vs SO Pulls: http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=jacob-pullen&clent-stewart=2005-2006&i=1&jacob-pullen=2008-2009&p1=jevon-thomas&p2=clent-stewart

I'm guessing the point here is that the stat profiles are not terribly different, however I never hated the guts out of Jake or Clent.  I guess I don't care what the stats say on this one, Jevon should never play basketball for ksu again.

Yeah. Just a comparison, but I think Jevon has lots of limitations right now.

Jevon is very comparable to Clent but nothing compared to Pullen. I have no idea why you included Pullen.

I thought comparing to what most think is one of our best guards ever and one of our most average seemed appropriate.

perhaps more interesting is how unfavorably he compares to Frank Richards (who I remember really disliking as a player)

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=frank-richards&clent-stewart=2005-2006&frank-richards=2002-2003&i=1&jacob-pullen=2008-2009&p1=jevon-thomas&p2=clent-stewart&p3=jacob-pullen

I've thought JT was Frank Richards reincarnated from the beginning, and I've hated him as a player for that reason
Well I've got bad news for you because Jevon is worse
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Brock Landers on January 21, 2015, 10:30:22 AM
I once called Clent the SLTH of point guards and even back then that was probably generous.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: pissclams on January 21, 2015, 10:37:43 AM
i am so mad about this that i want to call into oscar's show and really light a fire under him. some of you here might think that i'm kidding- but i'm not.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 21, 2015, 10:40:07 AM
Jevon started following me on twitter lately and it makes me sad cause I can't share my frustration of watching him like I want to in 140 characters now. He's a scoring liability and that killed us down the stretch last night.  :frown: Also, I'll beat you guys to it. #fanningbrag #fanningbrag #fanningbrag
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: AppleJack on January 21, 2015, 10:44:51 AM
I think my favorite is the 2-3 times a game he just launches the ball out of bounds.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kso_FAN on January 21, 2015, 10:47:16 AM
His turnover rate through 6 Big 12 games is absolutely terrible and he doesn't score.

http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=33829.msg1300289#msg1300289

It must be his assist rate that intrigues oscar and staff. :dunno:
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 21, 2015, 10:48:42 AM
How does he track on oscar's hustle chart tho?
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kso_FAN on January 21, 2015, 10:55:48 AM
How does he track on oscar's hustle chart tho?

I would guess toward the bottom. He doesn't get steals, oboards, or take charges which are all stats that are components of the chart. He also doesn't deflect a lot of balls, he does get on the floor some though and get a few loose balls, which are the other components.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 21, 2015, 10:59:02 AM
 :frown:
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: PIPE on January 21, 2015, 11:02:06 AM
Hey guys, I missed the 2nd half of last nights game..........how did Jevon do?
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Skipper44 on January 21, 2015, 11:24:33 AM
Jevon really makes me pine for the days of Jarrett Hart and Aaron Schwarzendrubber.

Here's the ultimate question; Jevon or Stew?
Stew all day long.  Also, was it Stew that KK had a personal vendetta against?
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: michigancat on January 21, 2015, 11:27:26 AM
Jevon really makes me pine for the days of Jarrett Hart and Aaron Schwarzendrubber.

Here's the ultimate question; Jevon or Stew?
Stew all day long.  Also, was it Stew that KK had a personal vendetta against?

yes and yes

Stew was a solid shooter, which is something.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 21, 2015, 11:29:17 AM
Yeah. I don't even know why this is a debate.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: pissclams on January 21, 2015, 12:11:55 PM
His turnover rate through 6 Big 12 games is absolutely terrible and he doesn't score.

http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=33829.msg1300289#msg1300289

It must be his assist rate that intrigues oscar and staff. :dunno:

lol it's worse than i thought. 
he has no business getting minutes on any b12 team, let alone starting.  and yet he does. 

^this alone might make me more pissed off at oscar than anything else in he's done in his tenure at ksu cats college
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Kat Kid on January 21, 2015, 12:46:13 PM
Jevon really makes me pine for the days of Jarrett Hart and Aaron Schwarzendrubber.

Here's the ultimate question; Jevon or Stew?

Tough question.  Honestly, probably Clent.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: 'taterblast on January 21, 2015, 01:02:39 PM
why does he play?
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: michigancat on January 21, 2015, 01:36:04 PM
why does he play?

lack of alternatives
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: pissclams on January 21, 2015, 01:54:57 PM
why does he play?

lack of alternatives

reading _FAN's stats tells me that nigel is better
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: michigancat on January 21, 2015, 01:56:41 PM
why does he play?

lack of alternatives

reading _FAN's stats tells me that nigel is better
Yeah, Nigel was hurt last night but I definitely prefer him if only because he is a threat to make a jump shot
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kso_FAN on January 21, 2015, 02:01:57 PM
why does he play?

lack of alternatives

reading _FAN's stats tells me that nigel is better
Yeah, Nigel was hurt last night but I definitely prefer him if only because he is a threat to make a jump shot

I don't think Thomas' high assist rate is a fluke, he's pretty decent at creating plays. However, at nearly a 1 to 1 ratio he also turns the ball over and many of them are just terrible decisions. And yes, a scoring rate below 10 points per 100 is bad. Its like we have a bad version of Jacy Holloway out there or something.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: pissclams on January 21, 2015, 02:04:25 PM
why does he play?

lack of alternatives

reading _FAN's stats tells me that nigel is better
Yeah, Nigel was hurt last night but I definitely prefer him if only because he is a threat to make a jump shot

the problem here folks is that i was making a damn good "eye test" argument for nigel a week or so ago and many drug addicts here said i was on drugs.  which is crazy because now who looks like they're on dope?
jevon and everyone on the WRONG side of the argument, that's who. 
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: michigancat on January 21, 2015, 02:04:54 PM
I don't think his assist rate is all that valuable.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: pissclams on January 21, 2015, 02:06:04 PM
of course it's not when he negates his assists with shitty turnovers and no shooting ability
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on January 21, 2015, 02:08:16 PM
why does he play?

lack of alternatives

reading _FAN's stats tells me that nigel is better
Yeah, Nigel was hurt last night but I definitely prefer him if only because he is a threat to make a jump shot

I don't think Thomas' high assist rate is a fluke, he's pretty decent at creating plays. However, at nearly a 1 to 1 ratio he also turns the ball over and many of them are just terrible decisions. And yes, a scoring rate below 10 points per 100 is bad. Its like we have a bad version of Jacy Holloway out there or something.

He sees the floor well, better than lot of previous point guards. His turnovers come in flurries, he has a long stretch of being a really good point guard. Not having shooters on the court is going to handicap any point guard. 
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on January 21, 2015, 02:13:51 PM
why does he play?

lack of alternatives

reading _FAN's stats tells me that nigel is better
Yeah, Nigel was hurt last night but I definitely prefer him if only because he is a threat to make a jump shot

I don't think Thomas' high assist rate is a fluke, he's pretty decent at creating plays. However, at nearly a 1 to 1 ratio he also turns the ball over and many of them are just terrible decisions. And yes, a scoring rate below 10 points per 100 is bad. Its like we have a bad version of Jacy Holloway out there or something.

He sees the floor well, better than lot of previous point guards. His turnovers come in flurries, he has a long stretch of being a really good point guard. Not having shooters on the court is going to handicap any point guard.

especially when said point guard is one of the ones that can't shoot
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: michigancat on January 21, 2015, 02:16:03 PM
Like, I don't remember a player in KSU history that sucked as much as Jevon that people tried so hard to find positives in, or make him seem better than he is. I mean people were less positive about Bill Walker when he was here.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: pissclams on January 21, 2015, 02:17:02 PM
Like, I don't remember a player in KSU history that sucked as much as Jevon that people tried so hard to find positives in, or make him seem better than he is. I mean people were less positive about Bill Walker when he was here.

it's really just mixed nuts who at this point has me convinced that he's one of the team's managers
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 21, 2015, 02:17:19 PM
Like, I don't remember a player in KSU history that sucked as much as Jevon that people tried so hard to find positives in, or make him seem better than he is. I mean people were less positive about Bill Walker when he was here.

That's just not true. Most of us thought Bill was God Jr. when he was here.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kslim on January 21, 2015, 02:24:54 PM
Like, I don't remember a player in KSU history that sucked as much as Jevon that people tried so hard to find positives in, or make him seem better than he is. I mean people were less positive about Bill Walker when he was here.

That's just not true. Most of us thought Bill was God Jr. when he was here.
i remember you distinctly saying that bill walker would never see the floor. you basically led the hate charge back then
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on January 21, 2015, 02:25:41 PM
Fans have hated Walker, Denny and Angel with a passion. I think it just shows how emotional drunk the fan base can become.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: michigancat on January 21, 2015, 02:25:45 PM
Like, I don't remember a player in KSU history that sucked as much as Jevon that people tried so hard to find positives in, or make him seem better than he is. I mean people were less positive about Bill Walker when he was here.

That's just not true. Most of us thought Bill was God Jr. when he was here.
I may have been a tad hyperbolic
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 21, 2015, 02:26:18 PM
Like, I don't remember a player in KSU history that sucked as much as Jevon that people tried so hard to find positives in, or make him seem better than he is. I mean people were less positive about Bill Walker when he was here.

That's just not true. Most of us thought Bill was God Jr. when he was here.
i remember you distinctly saying that bill walker would never see the floor. you basically led the hate charge back then

Your memory must be really bad then. I didn't even message board when Bill Walker was here. I just went to the games and thought he was God Jr.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kslim on January 21, 2015, 02:28:27 PM
Like, I don't remember a player in KSU history that sucked as much as Jevon that people tried so hard to find positives in, or make him seem better than he is. I mean people were less positive about Bill Walker when he was here.

That's just not true. Most of us thought Bill was God Jr. when he was here.
i remember you distinctly saying that bill walker would never see the floor. you basically led the hate charge back then

Your memory must be really bad then. I didn't even message board when Bill Walker was here. I just went to the games and thought he was God Jr.
nope. hate on hater
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kso_FAN on January 21, 2015, 02:28:38 PM
Fans have hated Walker, Denny and Angel with a passion. I think it just shows how emotional drunk the fan base can become.

This.

I really liked all three of those players. Probably haven't really hated a player since Frank Richards. I just don't hate people a lot.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: pissclams on January 21, 2015, 02:29:29 PM
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fbnft0y1.png&hash=7c2af928777061f8ea2a2984f8b24c39c8d6a5e2)
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 21, 2015, 02:30:54 PM
Like, I don't remember a player in KSU history that sucked as much as Jevon that people tried so hard to find positives in, or make him seem better than he is. I mean people were less positive about Bill Walker when he was here.

That's just not true. Most of us thought Bill was God Jr. when he was here.
i remember you distinctly saying that bill walker would never see the floor. you basically led the hate charge back then

Your memory must be really bad then. I didn't even message board when Bill Walker was here. I just went to the games and thought he was God Jr.
nope. hate on hater

Bill Walker is my 3rd favorite Cat hoops player of all time.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kslim on January 21, 2015, 02:31:48 PM
Like, I don't remember a player in KSU history that sucked as much as Jevon that people tried so hard to find positives in, or make him seem better than he is. I mean people were less positive about Bill Walker when he was here.

That's just not true. Most of us thought Bill was God Jr. when he was here.
i remember you distinctly saying that bill walker would never see the floor. you basically led the hate charge back then

Your memory must be really bad then. I didn't even message board when Bill Walker was here. I just went to the games and thought he was God Jr.
nope. hate on hater

Bill Walker is my 3rd favorite Cat hoops player of all time.
to hate
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: michigancat on January 21, 2015, 02:34:04 PM
I don't hate Jevon, I just think he is an awful college basketball player.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 21, 2015, 02:36:12 PM
I like Jevon more than I should because he takes shots and attacks the rim. It doesn't bother me that much that he's not effective at it, because it feels like he should be effective at it. I can fully acknowledge that he isn't very good at basketball, but I really want to see him get better and feel like he can.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kso_FAN on January 21, 2015, 02:36:40 PM


2 pts on 0 for 11 shooting from the floor. Bill Walker is so amazing.

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=310419002 (http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=310419002)

Yeah, he's terrible.

 :surprised:
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kslim on January 21, 2015, 02:37:28 PM


2 pts on 0 for 11 shooting from the floor. Bill Walker is so amazing.

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=310419002 (http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=310419002)

Yeah, he's terrible.

 :surprised:

man  :lol:
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 21, 2015, 02:37:49 PM
Like, I don't remember a player in KSU history that sucked as much as Jevon that people tried so hard to find positives in, or make him seem better than he is. I mean people were less positive about Bill Walker when he was here.

That's just not true. Most of us thought Bill was God Jr. when he was here.
i remember you distinctly saying that bill walker would never see the floor. you basically led the hate charge back then

Your memory must be really bad then. I didn't even message board when Bill Walker was here. I just went to the games and thought he was God Jr.
nope. hate on hater

Bill Walker is my 3rd favorite Cat hoops player of all time.
to hate

You must be confusing Bill Walker with Alex Putuzak. It's weird because they look nothing alike.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kso_FAN on January 21, 2015, 02:38:10 PM
I like Jevon more than I should because he takes shots and attacks the rim. It doesn't bother me that much that he's not effective at it, because it feels like he should be effective at it. I can fully acknowledge that he isn't very good at basketball, but I really want to see him get better and feel like he can.

Yeah, I'm probably too patient, but he basically just finished his first year of college basketball since he sat out last fall. His situation was very strange.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: michigancat on January 21, 2015, 02:38:17 PM
I like Jevon more than I should because he takes shots and attacks the rim. It doesn't bother me that much that he's not effective at it, because it feels like he should be effective at it. I can fully acknowledge that he isn't very good at basketball, but I really want to see him get better and feel like he can.
Yeah, this is what I'm getting at. He seems like he's almost there to a lot of people even though he sucks at getting to the rim and shooting (and does both very rarely).
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kslim on January 21, 2015, 02:39:19 PM
Like, I don't remember a player in KSU history that sucked as much as Jevon that people tried so hard to find positives in, or make him seem better than he is. I mean people were less positive about Bill Walker when he was here.

That's just not true. Most of us thought Bill was God Jr. when he was here.
i remember you distinctly saying that bill walker would never see the floor. you basically led the hate charge back then

Your memory must be really bad then. I didn't even message board when Bill Walker was here. I just went to the games and thought he was God Jr.
nope. hate on hater

Bill Walker is my 3rd favorite Cat hoops player of all time.
to hate

You must be confusing Bill Walker with Alex Putuzak. It's weird because they look nothing alike.
you know what you look like? a rough ridin' liar thats what
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 21, 2015, 02:40:38 PM
Like, I don't remember a player in KSU history that sucked as much as Jevon that people tried so hard to find positives in, or make him seem better than he is. I mean people were less positive about Bill Walker when he was here.

That's just not true. Most of us thought Bill was God Jr. when he was here.
i remember you distinctly saying that bill walker would never see the floor. you basically led the hate charge back then

Your memory must be really bad then. I didn't even message board when Bill Walker was here. I just went to the games and thought he was God Jr.
nope. hate on hater

Bill Walker is my 3rd favorite Cat hoops player of all time.
to hate

You must be confusing Bill Walker with Alex Putuzak. It's weird because they look nothing alike.
you know what you look like? a rough ridin' liar thats what

No, I don't. Maybe you should click on my name on Fan's post to see what was actually said.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kso_FAN on January 21, 2015, 02:41:57 PM
No, I don't. Maybe you should click on my name on Fan's post to see what was actually said.

 :peek:
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kslim on January 21, 2015, 02:43:01 PM
Like, I don't remember a player in KSU history that sucked as much as Jevon that people tried so hard to find positives in, or make him seem better than he is. I mean people were less positive about Bill Walker when he was here.

That's just not true. Most of us thought Bill was God Jr. when he was here.
i remember you distinctly saying that bill walker would never see the floor. you basically led the hate charge back then

Your memory must be really bad then. I didn't even message board when Bill Walker was here. I just went to the games and thought he was God Jr.
nope. hate on hater

Bill Walker is my 3rd favorite Cat hoops player of all time.
to hate

You must be confusing Bill Walker with Alex Putuzak. It's weird because they look nothing alike.
you know what you look like? a rough ridin' liar thats what

No, I don't. Maybe you should click on my name on Fan's post to see what was actually said.


2 pts on 0 for 11 shooting from the floor. Bill Walker is so amazing.

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=310419002 (http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=310419002)

i rough ridin' hate bill walker, he is terrible and should transfer

yep, LIAR!
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 21, 2015, 02:44:36 PM
 :lol:

NBA players don't transfer.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kslim on January 21, 2015, 02:47:05 PM
:lol:

NBA players don't transfer.
no crap?
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on January 21, 2015, 02:52:36 PM
I like Jevon more than I should because he takes shots and attacks the rim. It doesn't bother me that much that he's not effective at it, because it feels like he should be effective at it. I can fully acknowledge that he isn't very good at basketball, but I really want to see him get better and feel like he can.
Yeah, this is what I'm getting at. He seems like he's almost there to a lot of people even though he sucks at getting to the rim and shooting (and does both very rarely).

I don't think he sucks a getting to the rim. I actually think he excels at it, he has the skill set for it in spades. He needs to be more aggressive. Also with the lack of shooters on the team driving lanes aren't always open. I think the staff has to be careful with asking him to do to much. I think his head gets under water at times.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 21, 2015, 02:53:27 PM
:lol:

NBA players don't transfer.
no crap?

eat crap
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: michigancat on January 21, 2015, 02:58:32 PM


I like Jevon more than I should because he takes shots and attacks the rim. It doesn't bother me that much that he's not effective at it, because it feels like he should be effective at it. I can fully acknowledge that he isn't very good at basketball, but I really want to see him get better and feel like he can.
Yeah, this is what I'm getting at. He seems like he's almost there to a lot of people even though he sucks at getting to the rim and shooting (and does both very rarely).

I don't think he sucks a getting to the rim. I actually think he excels at it, he has the skill set for it in spades.

Yeah, well, you're wrong
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: pissclams on January 21, 2015, 03:06:13 PM
he certainly doesn't "attack" the rim.  i mean, really? 
wtf.  <--not a question.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: CHONGS on January 21, 2015, 03:13:17 PM
if you took a bunch of random basketball terms and phrases heard on ESPN, middle school coaching clinics, and sports talk radio; and then had a robot spit them out into random sentences it would essentially be Mixed Nuts.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: ksupamplemousse on January 21, 2015, 03:49:55 PM
Guards have to be able to shoot to be good at basketball. This isn't the '50s. Jevon can't shoot, so he sucks. It's pretty goddam simple. Some idiot will cite Rondo and he'll be wrong. Rondo can shoot, just not from outside the arc. Jevon can't even hit wide open layups. It's no wonder he forces a bunch of stupid passes, when the other team only has to guard four players it makes open shots hard to come by. He needs to get better at shooting or find a spot on the bench (or another roster).
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Kat Kid on January 21, 2015, 04:39:48 PM

if you took a bunch of random basketball terms and phrases heard on ESPN, middle school coaching clinics, and sports talk radio; and then had a robot spit them out into random sentences it would essentially be Mixed Nuts.

Lulz
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: The Whale on January 21, 2015, 09:17:16 PM
Guards have to be able to shoot to be good at basketball. This isn't the '50s. Jevon can't shoot, so he sucks. It's pretty goddam simple. Some idiot will cite Rondo and he'll be wrong. Rondo can shoot, just not from outside the arc. Jevon can't even hit wide open layups. It's no wonder he forces a bunch of stupid passes, when the other team only has to guard four players it makes open shots hard to come by. He needs to get better at shooting or find a spot on the bench (or another roster).

It's like having Energy on the court again, except Energy didn't cause horrific turnovers multiple times per game.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Trim on January 23, 2015, 02:30:42 AM
if you took a bunch of random basketball terms and phrases heard on ESPN, middle school coaching clinics, and sports talk radio; and then had a robot spit them out into random sentences it would essentially be Mixed Nuts.

:lol:
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Super fan#99 on January 23, 2015, 08:16:25 AM
I like Jevon more than I should because he takes shots and attacks the rim. It doesn't bother me that much that he's not effective at it, because it feels like he should be effective at it. I can fully acknowledge that he isn't very good at basketball, but I really want to see him get better and feel like he can.
Yeah, this is what I'm getting at. He seems like he's almost there to a lot of people even though he sucks at getting to the rim and shooting (and does both very rarely).

I don't think he sucks a getting to the rim. I actually think he excels at it, he has the skill set for it in spades. He needs to be more aggressive. Also with the lack of shooters on the team driving lanes aren't always open. I think the staff has to be careful with asking him to do to much. I think his head gets under water at times.
He doesn't have an issue getting into the lane.  The problems start once he gets in there.  I might be able to count the times he has finished a layup with any resemblance of contact in two years on one hand.  He bad
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on January 23, 2015, 09:07:27 AM
if you took a bunch of random basketball terms and phrases heard on ESPN, middle school coaching clinics, and sports talk radio; and then had a robot spit them out into random sentences it would essentially be Mixed Nuts.

this is not limited to the internets, fwiw.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: SabiNation on January 23, 2015, 09:10:27 AM
if you took a bunch of random basketball terms and phrases heard on ESPN, middle school coaching clinics, and sports talk radio; and then had a robot spit them out into random sentences it would essentially be Mixed Nuts.

oh man  :lol:
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: EMAWmeister on January 23, 2015, 09:11:39 AM
Well how do you think he got the name "Mixed Nutz"?
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kso_FAN on January 23, 2015, 09:11:59 AM
I like Mixed.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: EMAWmeister on January 23, 2015, 09:13:32 AM
Maybe he's a bot?  :sdeek:
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: DOOM_Catz on January 23, 2015, 09:13:55 AM
Y'all are rude. Mixed might be a bit nutty but he's one helluva cat fan :emawkid:
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kso_FAN on January 23, 2015, 09:17:11 AM

Y'all are rude. Mixed might be a bit nutty but he's one helluva cat fan :emawkid:

Yes, and his basketball iq is solid. He's not just repeating cliches.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on January 23, 2015, 09:30:22 AM
look at all these totally random posters coming crawling from the depths to defend mixed nutz. how weird!
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: CHONGS on January 23, 2015, 10:24:46 AM
You have to be rude and reckless
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Belvis Noland on January 23, 2015, 10:40:37 AM
Jevon is terrible and the only proof you need is 11-8.  With a solid PG, we are 15-4 and a NCAA lock.  With Jevon, we're an NIT bubble team. 

Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: pvegs on January 23, 2015, 01:33:10 PM
Jevon is terrible and the only proof you need is 11-8.  With a solid PG, we are 15-4 and a NCAA lock.  With Jevon, we're an NIT bubble team.

I think this is pretty accurate. I guess oscar thought he could just teach Jevon how to make a wide open set shot in the offseason and that would fix his issues. Bc that's the only way in which he's improved, though it makes no difference since he's too terrified to try most games.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on January 23, 2015, 01:36:22 PM
 :blush:
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: EMAWmeister on January 23, 2015, 02:24:35 PM
:blush:

 :lol:
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: pissclams on January 23, 2015, 02:42:06 PM

if you took a bunch of random basketball terms and phrases heard on ESPN, middle school coaching clinics, and sports talk radio; and then had a robot spit them out into random sentences it would essentially be Mixed Nuts.
what makes this so great is knowing chingon
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: 'taterblast on January 27, 2015, 08:08:15 PM
play Vulture over this loser. i'm sick of watching him.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: AppleJack on January 27, 2015, 08:10:44 PM
trying to remember a worse Big 12 player.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on January 27, 2015, 08:23:06 PM
he's is absolutely awful.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Dirty Mike on January 27, 2015, 08:25:11 PM
I'd trade Jevon for the deaf kid that used to play at Texas Tech.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on January 27, 2015, 08:29:09 PM
I'd trade Jevon for about any other point guard in the Big 12.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: 'taterblast on January 27, 2015, 08:33:50 PM
I would rather have Keiton Page than Jevon Thomas
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Powercat Posse on January 27, 2015, 08:34:49 PM
I'd trade Jevon for about any other point guard in the Big 12.

I hope u mean  from another team.... Cause Nigel is even more pathetic.... But both suck
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on January 27, 2015, 08:37:57 PM
I'd trade Jevon for about any other point guard in the Big 12.

I hope u mean  from another team.... Cause Nigel is even more pathetic.... But both suck
I wish Nigel got Jevon's minutes. But, yes from another team.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 28, 2015, 08:13:38 AM
Nigel is worse than Jevon. Much worse.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Kat Kid on January 28, 2015, 08:18:19 AM
Nigel is worse than Jevon. Much worse.

Yes.  It makes me very sad.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kso_FAN on January 28, 2015, 09:17:30 AM
Nigel is worse than Jevon. Much worse.

Yes.  It makes me very sad.

Yeah, see updated Per 100 numbers above.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on January 29, 2015, 10:00:36 AM
Do you guys remember when you were saying Nigel should have taken the 3 in transition against ISU in the Big 12 tourney last year? Can't find the thread to call out names.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: pissclams on January 29, 2015, 10:07:28 AM
<-- team nigel
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: meow meow on January 29, 2015, 11:54:59 AM
remember after the first couple of games, when Nigel and Jevon both played decent against some shitty team, and oscar called them a 2 headed monster.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: michigancat on January 29, 2015, 12:01:57 PM
I'm sorry, in what way is Nigel worse than Jevon? Nigel is at least a moderate threat to make a basket and manages to keep his TO Rate under 30. That's far more valuable (to this team) than Jevon's Assist Rate.

Maybe if Jevon was surrounded by playmakers, he'd be worth more minutes. But, you know, he isn't.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Mr Bread on January 29, 2015, 12:04:40 PM
Nigel is worse in foot speed. 
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on January 29, 2015, 12:21:05 PM
they both suck, so im not sure why were letting one sucky guy play the whole time. they should split time sucking so maybe one of them gets better and stops sucking.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: pissclams on January 29, 2015, 12:28:14 PM
they both suck, so im not sure why were letting one sucky guy play the whole time. they should split time sucking so maybe one of them gets better and stops sucking.

don't be a simp
give nigel jevon's minutes and see where it takes him.  jevon has maxed out his potential.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 29, 2015, 01:09:44 PM
I'm sorry, in what way is Nigel worse than Jevon? Nigel is at least a moderate threat to make a basket and manages to keep his TO Rate under 30. That's far more valuable (to this team) than Jevon's Assist Rate.

Maybe if Jevon was surrounded by playmakers, he'd be worth more minutes. But, you know, he isn't.

Scoring points, getting assists, forcing turnovers, rebounding, and just about any other basketball statistic.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: michigancat on January 29, 2015, 01:13:53 PM
I'm sorry, in what way is Nigel worse than Jevon? Nigel is at least a moderate threat to make a basket and manages to keep his TO Rate under 30. That's far more valuable (to this team) than Jevon's Assist Rate.

Maybe if Jevon was surrounded by playmakers, he'd be worth more minutes. But, you know, he isn't.

Scoring points, getting assists, forcing turnovers, rebounding, and just about any other basketball statistic.

You're dead wrong about scoring points and forcing turnovers, at least on a per possession basis which is the only fair way to compare. The assists don't help us due to the ridiculous volume of turnovers, and looks like you're left with rebounds.

So in short, you think Jevon is a more valuable PG than Nigel because of rebounding.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Mr Bread on January 29, 2015, 01:15:26 PM
foot speed
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 29, 2015, 01:17:27 PM
I'm sorry, in what way is Nigel worse than Jevon? Nigel is at least a moderate threat to make a basket and manages to keep his TO Rate under 30. That's far more valuable (to this team) than Jevon's Assist Rate.

Maybe if Jevon was surrounded by playmakers, he'd be worth more minutes. But, you know, he isn't.

Scoring points, getting assists, forcing turnovers, rebounding, and just about any other basketball statistic.

You're dead wrong about scoring points and forcing turnovers, at least on a per possession basis which is the only fair way to compare. The assists don't help us due to the ridiculous volume of turnovers, and looks like you're left with rebounds.

So in short, you think Jevon is a more valuable PG than Nigel because of rebounding.

I was just using the chart _Fan updates.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kso_FAN on January 29, 2015, 01:20:07 PM
I'm sorry, in what way is Nigel worse than Jevon? Nigel is at least a moderate threat to make a basket and manages to keep his TO Rate under 30. That's far more valuable (to this team) than Jevon's Assist Rate.

Maybe if Jevon was surrounded by playmakers, he'd be worth more minutes. But, you know, he isn't.

Scoring points, getting assists, forcing turnovers, rebounding, and just about any other basketball statistic.

You're dead wrong about scoring points and forcing turnovers, at least on a per possession basis which is the only fair way to compare. The assists don't help us due to the ridiculous volume of turnovers, and looks like you're left with rebounds.

So in short, you think Jevon is a more valuable PG than Nigel because of rebounding.

Jevon has been better at almost everything in Big 12 play only. Jevon is much better at assists and TOs and he's shooting better and Nigel is our only guard with a negative A:TO ratio. Nigel's scoring rate is slightly better and his steal rate is better, but its really hard to argue that Nigel has been better in Big 12 games.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kso_FAN on January 29, 2015, 01:21:42 PM
I was just using the chart _Fan updates.

Yeah, it depends if you want to debate based on Big 12 only or full season. I prefer Big 12 only at this point and Jevon is better. Nigel's assist to turnover rate is dreadful and it can't make up for his slightly better scoring or a few more steals.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: michigancat on January 29, 2015, 01:22:55 PM
I'm sorry, in what way is Nigel worse than Jevon? Nigel is at least a moderate threat to make a basket and manages to keep his TO Rate under 30. That's far more valuable (to this team) than Jevon's Assist Rate.

Maybe if Jevon was surrounded by playmakers, he'd be worth more minutes. But, you know, he isn't.

Scoring points, getting assists, forcing turnovers, rebounding, and just about any other basketball statistic.

You're dead wrong about scoring points and forcing turnovers, at least on a per possession basis which is the only fair way to compare. The assists don't help us due to the ridiculous volume of turnovers, and looks like you're left with rebounds.

So in short, you think Jevon is a more valuable PG than Nigel because of rebounding.

I was actually wrong about the rebounds and right about scoring points, at least according to the chart _Fan updates.

OK, you were wrong about rebounding in conference play. I was looking at kenpom.

(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.com%2Fa%2Fimg538%2F5917%2Fj5QmID.png&hash=3b09636c52f25b24203c49013c85918c64537895)

so I guess other than scoring, turnovers, creating turnovers, offensive rebounding, and defensive rebounding, Jevon is superior in just about any other basketball statistic.

*Note, I don't think FAN's charts tell us too much about Nigel because he's played so little in conference play
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: michigancat on January 29, 2015, 01:23:48 PM
I was just using the chart _Fan updates.

Yeah, it depends if you want to debate based on Big 12 only or full season. I prefer Big 12 only at this point and Jevon is better. Nigel's assist to turnover rate is dreadful and it can't make up for his slightly better scoring or a few more steals.

what on earth are you looking at?
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 29, 2015, 01:24:49 PM
I'm sorry, in what way is Nigel worse than Jevon? Nigel is at least a moderate threat to make a basket and manages to keep his TO Rate under 30. That's far more valuable (to this team) than Jevon's Assist Rate.

Maybe if Jevon was surrounded by playmakers, he'd be worth more minutes. But, you know, he isn't.

Scoring points, getting assists, forcing turnovers, rebounding, and just about any other basketball statistic.

You're dead wrong about scoring points and forcing turnovers, at least on a per possession basis which is the only fair way to compare. The assists don't help us due to the ridiculous volume of turnovers, and looks like you're left with rebounds.

So in short, you think Jevon is a more valuable PG than Nigel because of rebounding.

Jevon has been better at almost everything in Big 12 play only. Jevon is much better at assists and TOs and he's shooting better and Nigel is our only guard with a negative A:TO ratio. Nigel's scoring rate is slightly better and his steal rate is better, but its really hard to argue that Nigel has been better in Big 12 games.

Oh, man. Read the chart wrong.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Trim on January 29, 2015, 01:25:25 PM
Jevon has the best hands on the team, but that's softball.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kso_FAN on January 29, 2015, 01:28:01 PM
I was just using the chart _Fan updates.

Yeah, it depends if you want to debate based on Big 12 only or full season. I prefer Big 12 only at this point and Jevon is better. Nigel's assist to turnover rate is dreadful and it can't make up for his slightly better scoring or a few more steals.

what on earth are you looking at?

The 1/28/15 chart, Big 12 stats only.

Nigel has 8 assists and 11 turnovers in Big 12 play. He's 2-9 from 3. Yeah, limited minutes, but not good. If he wants to play more he needs to be better and not absolutely melt down with the basketball multiple times against WVU.

Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Steffy08 on January 29, 2015, 01:32:31 PM
Jevon is clearly a better player.

Assuming that Nino is healthy and continues to play well (thus spreading the floor), playing Jevon is a no-brainer.  The only reason to play Nigel is that he is probably a better outside shooter (although he hasn't been this year) and free throw shooter, but Jevon is better at everything else.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on January 29, 2015, 01:34:18 PM
It is not a debate, Nigel can't penetrate.

Nigel needs to be a scorer for us, needs to shoot that should be his role. He passed up a couple shots in the WVU game and that is unacceptable for him. He needs to play like Tay in his senior year.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: michigancat on January 29, 2015, 01:37:56 PM
I was just using the chart _Fan updates.

Yeah, it depends if you want to debate based on Big 12 only or full season. I prefer Big 12 only at this point and Jevon is better. Nigel's assist to turnover rate is dreadful and it can't make up for his slightly better scoring or a few more steals.

what on earth are you looking at?

The 1/28/15 chart, Big 12 stats only.

Nigel has 8 assists and 11 turnovers in Big 12 play. He's 2-9 from 3. Yeah, limited minutes, but not good. If he wants to play more he needs to be better and not absolutely melt down with the basketball multiple times against WVU.



Everyone on the team absolutely melted down multiple times against WVU. I mean when Nigel's getting 6.8 TO/100 and Jevon's getting 5.9 that's basically a tie over so few possessions. And when Nigel's steal rate is 4.3 compared to 2.6 for Jevon that absolutely makes up for it. Like, literally makes up for it.*

*Assuming you're using these conference-only stats, which I think are largely statistically insignificant, at least w/ regards to Nigel. Probably for the whole team.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: sys on January 29, 2015, 01:38:20 PM
It is not a debate, Nigel can't penetrate.

this is a good phrase.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kso_FAN on January 29, 2015, 01:55:44 PM
A FWIW comparo; Nigel/Jevon vs Top 100 kenpom compared to >100 kenpom.

(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.com%2Fa%2Fimg661%2F3438%2FX2tFOg.png&hash=091d35084477063a532bf19b6efe721e131c80da)
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: michigancat on January 29, 2015, 02:11:39 PM
A FWIW comparo; Nigel/Jevon vs Top 100 kenpom compared to >100 kenpom.

(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.com%2Fa%2Fimg661%2F3438%2FX2tFOg.png&hash=091d35084477063a532bf19b6efe721e131c80da)

do they not have EFGs for those games?
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: stunted on January 29, 2015, 02:12:17 PM
Nigels made some game changing plays
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kso_FAN on January 29, 2015, 02:13:59 PM
A FWIW comparo; Nigel/Jevon vs Top 100 kenpom compared to >100 kenpom.

(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.com%2Fa%2Fimg661%2F3438%2FX2tFOg.png&hash=091d35084477063a532bf19b6efe721e131c80da)

do they not have EFGs for those games?

I didn't take the time to do those because I did that quick. If I have time I will.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on January 29, 2015, 02:21:53 PM
A FWIW comparo; Nigel/Jevon vs Top 100 kenpom compared to >100 kenpom.

(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.com%2Fa%2Fimg661%2F3438%2FX2tFOg.png&hash=091d35084477063a532bf19b6efe721e131c80da)

So has as schedule has progressed and we have played hard teams Jevon has been improving.... interesting.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kso_FAN on January 29, 2015, 02:31:26 PM
Shooting:

(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.com%2Fa%2Fimg538%2F3537%2FNwNSac.png&hash=2c45be58f8e7690e102f55c0fe9485eac810f0bd)
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kso_FAN on January 29, 2015, 03:08:10 PM
FWIW, 14 of our games are vs Top 100 and 7 vs >100. I counted Pitt at #103 as Top 100.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: stunted on January 29, 2015, 03:09:08 PM
Do Angel next  :ksu:
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: michigancat on January 29, 2015, 03:37:50 PM
since every stat shows Nigel is about even with Jevon (at worst), even in the attempt to skew the numbers in Jevon's favor, Nigel is the clear winner because he's proven he can shoot from 3. On another team, this might not be the case, but this team has a more glaring need for a competent three point shooter than about any team I can think of.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: CNS on January 29, 2015, 03:42:35 PM
I would be willing to try wes and foster as combos and put edwards in the game as the three. 
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: michigancat on January 29, 2015, 03:47:19 PM
I would be willing to try wes and foster as combos and put edwards in the game as the three. 

yes, I've also been saying this, even if it's just for a few minutes a game.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kso_FAN on January 29, 2015, 03:50:07 PM

since every stat shows Nigel is about even with Jevon (at worst), even in the attempt to skew the numbers in Jevon's favor, Nigel is the clear winner because he's proven he can shoot from 3. On another team, this might not be the case, but this team has a more glaring need for a competent three point shooter than about any team I can think of.

Skew the numbers? What?

I thought how each performed against better teams was worthwhile. Do with the stats what you want.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: michigancat on January 29, 2015, 03:56:12 PM

since every stat shows Nigel is about even with Jevon (at worst), even in the attempt to skew the numbers in Jevon's favor, Nigel is the clear winner because he's proven he can shoot from 3. On another team, this might not be the case, but this team has a more glaring need for a competent three point shooter than about any team I can think of.

Skew the numbers? What?

I thought how each performed against better teams was worthwhile. Do with the stats what you want.

the more you chop down the numbers the less relevant they become, and it definitely feels like an attempt to grasp for a Jevon advantage. Because you sure don't find one when you look at full season or career stats.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: chum1 on January 29, 2015, 04:18:45 PM
Chopped down numbers in favor of Jevon: 1
Chopped down numbers in favor of Nigel: 0
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 29, 2015, 04:26:57 PM
I really think Nigel has looked much worse in his recent appearances than he did earlier in the year and last season. Jevon Thomas is also shooting 3s at a higher percentage than he is.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: ksupamplemousse on January 29, 2015, 04:30:34 PM
Watching an argument between two of the better posters on this board over whether Nigel Johnson or Jevon Thomas is the least shitty point guard on our roster is BY FAR the most depressing part of Bruceketball so far. Guys, it doesn't matter. They are both terrible.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: michigancat on January 29, 2015, 04:32:22 PM
Watching an argument between two of the better posters on this board over whether Nigel Johnson or Jevon Thomas is the least shitty point guard on our roster is BY FAR the most depressing part of Bruceketball so far. Guys, it doesn't matter. They are both terrible.

Nigel's shooting could be an asset. Probably won't, but it could be.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: ksupamplemousse on January 29, 2015, 04:34:07 PM
Watching an argument between two of the better posters on this board over whether Nigel Johnson or Jevon Thomas is the least shitty point guard on our roster is BY FAR the most depressing part of Bruceketball so far. Guys, it doesn't matter. They are both terrible.

Nigel's shooting could be an asset. Probably won't, but it could be.

He's like Lance Harris, but less consistent. He has a game about twice a year that makes people think he can shoot. It's fool's gold though.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 29, 2015, 04:37:05 PM
I don't know, I think Nigel can shoot, but the problem is he can't dribble.  :frown:
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: michigancat on January 29, 2015, 04:39:02 PM
what's probably most amazing to me is that they've both shot LESS than they did last year. I mean Jevon shoots significantly less than any season in Will Spradling's career. And he's STILL under 40% from 2 on his career. (Although he has gotten into the 40's this season!!!)
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: michigancat on January 29, 2015, 04:41:00 PM
eh, Lance was a career 35% shooter from 3, and he shot quite a few.

And Nigel's shooting last season was worse than I remembered.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kso_FAN on January 29, 2015, 04:43:02 PM
Both players should play, Jevon should play more. If Nigel had earned more minutes he'd play, it's not like Jevon hasn't tried to give him every opportunity. To be fair, Nigel probably not being 100% healthy hasn't helped him. But I see no reason to believe Nigel has beaten Jevon for the spot.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: michigancat on January 29, 2015, 04:44:05 PM
Both players should play, Jevon should play more. If Nigel had earned more minutes he'd play, it's not like Jevon hasn't tried to give him every opportunity. To be fair, Nigel probably not being 100% healthy hasn't helped him. But I see no reason to believe Nigel has beaten Jevon for the spot.

yes, oscar always gives minutes to the best player
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: sys on January 29, 2015, 04:45:12 PM
And Nigel's shooting last season was worse than I remembered.

he only seems like a good shooter because he is compared to thomas.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kso_FAN on January 29, 2015, 04:46:52 PM

Watching an argument between two of the better posters on this board over whether Nigel Johnson or Jevon Thomas is the least shitty point guard on our roster is BY FAR the most depressing part of Bruceketball so far. Guys, it doesn't matter. They are both terrible.

Pretty much this.

And yeah, I think oscar plays the guys he thinks he can win with. This isn't freaking middle school.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: michigancat on January 29, 2015, 04:47:38 PM
And Nigel's shooting last season was worse than I remembered.

he only seems like a good shooter because he is compared to thomas.
True. I only consider him to be competent enough at shooting that a defense would consider guarding him. Which is what this team needs more than whatever Jevon gives us.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: michigancat on January 29, 2015, 04:48:47 PM



Watching an argument between two of the better posters on this board over whether Nigel Johnson or Jevon Thomas is the least shitty point guard on our roster is BY FAR the most depressing part of Bruceketball so far. Guys, it doesn't matter. They are both terrible.

Pretty much this.

And yeah, I think oscar plays the guys he thinks he can win with. This isn't freaking middle school.

Oh, I have no doubt that oscar thinks Jevon is a better player
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on January 29, 2015, 05:46:21 PM
I think this debate should be about oscar's inability to evaluate point guards. Don't ever forget what he told Jacob Pullen.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: kso_FAN on January 29, 2015, 05:58:08 PM

I think this debate should be about oscar's inability to evaluate point guards. Don't ever forget what he told Jacob Pullen.

Well yeah.

I think Nigel's better position is at the 2. I'm not against scoring points or combos, but I don't think Nigel is either of those at the Big 12 level. The problem is with his size he had to play point. Occasionally he can play the 2 with Jevon at point, bit that can't be a lot of minutes.

Jevon has been disappointing, even with starting a semester late. Nigel is about what I thought he'd be.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: ltrain on February 18, 2015, 09:23:54 PM
The sequence at the end of the game where Jevon was fouled shooting a layup (he missed), missed both free throws, got his own rebound and then turned it over was the most Jevon-y sequence ever. Also, he may have shot a layup off the side of the backboard I`m not sure. I hate him. Like more than any KSU cat ever.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: wetwillie on February 18, 2015, 09:26:26 PM
The sequence at the end of the game where Jevon was fouled shooting a layup (he missed), missed both free throws, got his own rebound and then turned it over was the most Jevon-y sequence ever. Also, he may have shot a layup off the side of the backboard I`m not sure. I hate him. Like more than any KSU cat ever.

Hopper is far worse and much more hate able IMO.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: sys on February 18, 2015, 09:27:41 PM
The sequence at the end of the game where Jevon was fouled shooting a layup (he missed), missed both free throws, got his own rebound and then turned it over was the most Jevon-y sequence ever. Also, he may have shot a layup off the side of the backboard I`m not sure. I hate him. Like more than any KSU cat ever.

if sequences like that make you dislike a player, you may not be cut out for kstate fandom.
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: PIPE on February 18, 2015, 09:28:41 PM
The sequence at the end of the game where Jevon was fouled shooting a layup (he missed), missed both free throws, got his own rebound and then turned it over was the most Jevon-y sequence ever. Also, he may have shot a layup off the side of the backboard I`m not sure. I hate him. Like more than any KSU cat ever.

Hopper is far worse and much more hate able IMO.

Nope....it is jevon
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on April 20, 2015, 06:04:24 PM
https://twitter.com/cerasolisghost/status/590288712669401089
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: steve dave on April 21, 2015, 07:36:30 AM
oh man, jevon and marcus facing off in big east basketball games
Title: Re: Jevon Thomas
Post by: the angry young man on April 21, 2015, 11:20:50 AM
Angel came to play for Frank.

Jevon came to play for oscar.

IIRC, Mr Bread had said oscar didn't have many contributors leave.

So probably if you are true BID or TYS then you want Jevon to suck.
Very logical, but I don't think Thomas came to play for oscar so much as the best program that would have him with his academics. With that resolved, there will be lots of options, and given the transfer environment of today's game . . .
Called it back in 2013.  Can you look into your crystal ball and post tonight's Mega Millions numbers?