Angel came to play for Frank.Very logical, but I don't think Thomas came to play for oscar so much as the best program that would have him with his academics. With that resolved, there will be lots of options, and given the transfer environment of today's game . . .
Jevon came to play for oscar.
IIRC, Mr Bread had said oscar didn't have many contributors leave.
So probably if you are true BID or TYS then you want Jevon to suck.
Angel came to play for Frank.Very logical, but I don't think Thomas came to play for oscar so much as the best program that would have him with his academics. With that resolved, there will be lots of options, and given the transfer environment of today's game . . .
Jevon came to play for oscar.
IIRC, Mr Bread had said oscar didn't have many contributors leave.
So probably if you are true BID or TYS then you want Jevon to suck.
Angel came to play for Frank.
Jevon came to play for oscar.
IIRC, Mr Bread had said oscar didn't have many contributors leave.
So probably if you are true BID or TYS then you want Jevon to suck.
I don't know how you can be true BID then. That would only make oscar stay around longer.Angel came to play for Frank.
Jevon came to play for oscar.
IIRC, Mr Bread had said oscar didn't have many contributors leave.
So probably if you are true BID or TYS then you want Jevon to suck.
I am a true BID and I hope that Thomas is better than Kobe.
Angel came to play for Frank.
Jevon came to play for oscar.
IIRC, Mr Bread had said oscar didn't have many contributors leave.
So probably if you are true BID or TYS then you want Jevon to suck.
I am a true BID and I hope that Thomas is better than Kobe.
If Jevon isn't lighting in a bottle, this year is going to suck really bad.
I thought oscar already said no
so hes eligible to play Saturday, right? any idea if he actually will play?
How long before he enters the playing rotation? K-State coach oscar Weber can’t say. It won’t be against Gonzaga on Saturday. Thomas needs to learn Weber’s motion offense and to build relationships with teammates in practice before he is a candidate for playing time.
But that could happen quickly. Thomas could see the floor against Tulane on Dec. 28 or in one of K-State’s final nonconference games. At the least, he will be a factor at the start of Big 12 play.
"The transition for us as a team is going to be difficult, because he is a lot faster than our point guard right now," senior guard Shane Southwell said. "It will be different, but he can help us. He will have an impact on the first game, not even offensively. He is a very good on-ball defender. That is something we are going to need."
Angel came to play for Frank.
Jevon came to play for oscar.
IIRC, Mr Bread had said oscar didn't have many contributors leave.
So probably if you are true BID or TYS then you want Jevon to suck.
I am a true BID and I hope that Thomas is better than Kobe.
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So if Jevon is good, we'll assume he takes the lion's share of PG minutes? And Foster will play 30+ at the 2.
Does this mean the Will Spradling experiment finally ends after 4 years??
id be pretty ok with him coming off the bench at 2 and making some 3s and hitting his FTs down the stretch of games. a lot like what he did his freshman year with jake there. good for 6-10 points a game with a >.350 3 pt percentage and >.800 FT%.
anything more than that and hes out of his element and well lose.
So if Jevon is good, we'll assume he takes the lion's share of PG minutes? And Foster will play 30+ at the 2.
Does this mean the Will Spradling experiment finally ends after 4 years??
id be pretty ok with him coming off the bench at 2 and making some 3s and hitting his FTs down the stretch of games. a lot like what he did his freshman year with jake there. good for 6-10 points a game with a >.350 3 pt percentage and >.800 FT%.
anything more than that and hes out of his element and well lose.
I thought oscar already said no
link? he may have... I haven't been paying much attention
Guys, Will is going to play. But hopefully it's more like 25 mpg and not 35+.and he is the third scoring option out of the guards.
He's a fast, explosive guard. He can get into the lane. He's sort of, a little bit like (Oklahoma City Thunder point guard) Russell Westbrook, but he doesn't look to score as much. He looks to get in the lane just as much as Westbrook, but he kicks it out a little bit more. He has that same dog mentality, the same passion, which is good for any team you're on so he's kind of like Westbrook, but I feel he's a little better passer than Westbrook.
HE'S KIND OF LIKE RUSSELL WESTBROOK, GUYS!! :emawkid:
LOL at Shane's comments. Love it.
we're assuming he's playing?
Brett Regan ?@brettregan 2m
oscar Weber on Jevon Thomas: "Every day he's like a baby goose popping out of the egg."
:D
Brett Regan ?@brettregan 2m
oscar Weber on Jevon Thomas: "Every day he's like a baby goose popping out of the egg."
:D
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Gosling!?
Nigel looks sad on the bench. :frown:
I hope he still gets minutes.
Nigel looks sad on the bench. :frown:
I hope he still gets minutes.
Should be playing. Did well last game.
Unfortunately for nigel, will is playing well so far and holding his minutes.
Who knew Angel would be so easy to replace? Other than oscar, I mean.
If you aren't loving Jevon something is really, really wrong with you. He's so fun.
If you aren't loving Jevon something is really, really wrong with you. He's so fun.
Reminds me of the good pressey (sp?) kid!
Who knew Angel would be so easy to replace? Other than oscar, I mean.
Guys, stop
we are making the tourney
George Washington Head Coach Mike Lonergan
On GW’s issue’s during K-State’s 20-0 run…
“In all honesty, I think it was their point guard just dominating us. We could not get into an offense. He got up into our point guard and we really struggled with the ball. We could not get into any of our sets. We ended up not getting good shots and those led to easy shots for K-State, so I thought the kid, Jevon [Thomas], dominated that game, despite not making a field goal, with his defensive ball pressure.”
On the team’s offensive struggles…
“I thought we actually got good looks from three. Mikic was ice cold and so was Maurice Creek. I thought in the second half we would make a run, but we never did. We just could not hit an open three. I just think it was that they took Joe [McDonald] out of the game. He is a terrific point guard for us, not the quickest guy in the world, but he was really struggling handling the ball. He had one assist and eight turnovers and I think is assist to turnover ratio is almost four to one. It just was not his night and we do not have another point guard.
On Jevon Thomas…
“Well I figured he had to be pretty good because in his first eligible he played 19 minutes. It just seems like, reading articles and everything, that he is a point guard for the future. What seems like is missing for them – and Will Spradling does a great job and his assist to turnover ratio is awesome, but he is not a true point guard – so that seems like he might be the guy they are missing. I did not know though because we could not really get film on him, that he was that good defensively. He really manhandled us up top. Like I said, we could not even get into our offensive sets. We are not a great one-on-one team so we have to rely on our half court offense, but I have to give him a lot of credit because he was terrific. He did not have a great game offensively, but six assists and no turnovers along with his defensive pressure that does not show up on the stat sheet changed the complexion of the game completely.”
On K-State’s defense…
“I think they guard the three real well and they are smart. They are not the most athletic team that we will play, but Spradling is a really smart player. He will pressure you and he is great at taking charges. Their help side defense is good. Even Gipson we thought got to the basket and laid out for charges and changed our shots. Isaiah [Armwood] was 1-of-7 and part of that is the help defense with what Gipson provided for Kansas State. It is a good culture here. They have a very good defensive coach, and that is why I told our guys that this is not the same team that beat us last year. They are totally different players but they are still going to rebound. Last year we gave up 24 offensive rebounds and today we only gave up 12 today. Still, that physical play really hurt us. That is what their coach does and if [Thomas] is good as they think he is, because they are playing him over Nigel Johnson, then that will be a key for their season. That defense is pretty good. Joe [McDonald] has played some pretty good teams and nobody has taken the ball from him like that.”
Does every coach know the opposing players names, down to a guy playing his second game and the back up point guard? Usually they just call then by their numbers.
Those were fun quotes. That was very nice of their coach to say
I was hoping Jevon's 23 would mean less than 28 for will. Instead it appears it means Nigel Johnson gets cut back to negligible minutes.
Jevon-Foster-Westicles-Shane-Gip with the second string being Nigel-Spradling-Omari-Nino-DJamer. This would be just amazing.
I like that line-up.
Will has the highest kenpom Offensive rating on the team tho...
:surprised:
:eye:
I like that line-up.
Will has the highest kenpom Offensive rating on the team tho...
:surprised:
:eye:
I like that line-up.
Will has the highest kenpom Offensive rating on the team tho...
:surprised:
:eye:
As long as zero of those minutes are at point, I can live with that.
Jevon-Foster-Westicles-Shane-Gip with the second string being Nigel-Spradling-Omari-Nino-DJamer. This would be just amazing.For this year, yeah. Next, I want Jevon-Foster-Edwards/Westicles-Gip-Hurt.
In Big 12 play I expect to see MPG something like this (math probably doesn't add up):Why does anyone on the coaching staff think Will is even remotely valuable? He doesn't turn the ball over, but he now is horrible at everything else.
Southwell 30-35.
Foster 30-35.
Thomas 25-30.
Will 25-30.
Gip 25-30.
Westicles 20-25.
Nigel 10-15.
DJamer 10-15.
Omari 5-10.
Nino 5-10.
FWIW, Will probably benefits in the kp ORting because he rarely turns the ball over.
Jevon-Foster-Westicles-Shane-Gip with the second string being Nigel-Spradling-Omari-Nino-DJamer. This would be just amazing.For this year, yeah. Next, I want Jevon-Foster-Edwards/Westicles-Gip-Hurt.
Why does anyone on the coaching staff think Will is even remotely valuable? He doesn't turn the ball over, but he now is horrible at everything else.
Jevon-Foster-Westicles-Shane-Gip with the second string being Nigel-Spradling-Omari-Nino-DJamer. This would be just amazing.For this year, yeah. Next, I want Jevon-Foster-Edwards/Westicles-Gip-Hurt.
It will be interesting to see if oscar continues to play 1 true big next year, I expect that he will. Likely Jevon-Edwards-Foster-Westicles-Gip.
I guess the stats might back him up, but doesn't film show that he's clearly the most worthless guy on the team? Maybe I'm wrong. I would be :horrorsurprise: if I was tho.Why does anyone on the coaching staff think Will is even remotely valuable? He doesn't turn the ball over, but he now is horrible at everything else.
He does lead the team in steals with solid per 100 numbers. 2nd best 3PT shooter. :dunno:Jevon-Foster-Westicles-Shane-Gip with the second string being Nigel-Spradling-Omari-Nino-DJamer. This would be just amazing.For this year, yeah. Next, I want Jevon-Foster-Edwards/Westicles-Gip-Hurt.
It will be interesting to see if oscar continues to play 1 true big next year, I expect that he will. Likely Jevon-Edwards-Foster-Westicles-Gip.
Hurt has good perimeter and inside game, from what I've seen and heard. DJamer doesn't really and Southwell is undersized. Gip would prob be less outmatched by bigger guys in conf play at PF too. Will be interesting like _FAN said.It will be interesting to see if oscar continues to play 1 true big next year, I expect that he will. Likely Jevon-Edwards-Foster-Westicles-Gip.
Good point.
It will be interesting to see if oscar continues to play 1 true big next year, I expect that he will. Likely Jevon-Edwards-Foster-Westicles-Gip.
Good point.
Hurt has good perimeter and inside game, from what I've seen and heard. DJamer doesn't really and Southwell is undersized. Gip would prob be less outmatched by bigger guys in conf play at PF too. Will be interesting like _FAN said.It will be interesting to see if oscar continues to play 1 true big next year, I expect that he will. Likely Jevon-Edwards-Foster-Westicles-Gip.
Good point.
As long as zero of those minutes are at point, I can live with that.
Absolutely, he shouldn't play one more possession at PG all year. But even at the beginning of yesterday's game, Shane essentially played the point until Jevon came in.
Right now my question is when does oscar start Jevon? I would expect that soon we'll see Jevon-Will-Marcus-Shane-Gip with Westicles being the first perimeter and DJamer being the first post off the bench.
Ik, I meant that we would have more size and power by moving Gip to PF and would be able to match up better like that. They may be the same height but Gip has a better inside game overall. With oscar's offense, we might go stretch 4 again though like _FAN said.Hurt has good perimeter and inside game, from what I've seen and heard. DJamer doesn't really and Southwell is undersized. Gip would prob be less outmatched by bigger guys in conf play at PF too. Will be interesting like _FAN said.It will be interesting to see if oscar continues to play 1 true big next year, I expect that he will. Likely Jevon-Edwards-Foster-Westicles-Gip.
Good point.
Shane is a senior.
I think everyone would prefer Saturday.As long as zero of those minutes are at point, I can live with that.
Absolutely, he shouldn't play one more possession at PG all year. But even at the beginning of yesterday's game, Shane essentially played the point until Jevon came in.
Right now my question is when does oscar start Jevon? I would expect that soon we'll see Jevon-Will-Marcus-Shane-Gip with Westicles being the first perimeter and DJamer being the first post off the bench.
I would prefer Saturday, but my gut says oscar waits until after the @KU game.
I guess the stats might back him up, but doesn't film show that he's clearly the most worthless guy on the team? Maybe I'm wrong. I would be :horrorsurprise: if I was tho.
Why does anyone on the coaching staff think Will is even remotely valuable? He doesn't turn the ball over, but he now is horrible at everything else.
He does lead the team in steals with solid per 100 numbers. 2nd best 3PT shooter. :dunno:Jevon-Foster-Westicles-Shane-Gip with the second string being Nigel-Spradling-Omari-Nino-DJamer. This would be just amazing.For this year, yeah. Next, I want Jevon-Foster-Edwards/Westicles-Gip-Hurt.
It will be interesting to see if oscar continues to play 1 true big next year, I expect that he will. Likely Jevon-Edwards-Foster-Westicles-Gip.
Glad I'm wrong then, good to have non worthless players! :thumbs: Good news on Gip too. :Woot: But what will we do for 4 then? Westicles? I want Hurt to start. :Crybaby: Could part of him doing well against B12 bigs be Henriquez tho?I guess the stats might back him up, but doesn't film show that he's clearly the most worthless guy on the team? Maybe I'm wrong. I would be :horrorsurprise: if I was tho.
Can the numbers be a bit deceiving? Yes. Do they outright lie? No.
He has had immense value (and played a lot) for each coach he's played for, including one that supposedly hated him. :dunno:
One of those things I guess.
Also, there are no signs that Gip is "outmatched" in conference play. He was a beast (scoring and boarding) last year against Big 12 bigs:
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We really don't need much of anything next year that a freshman or JUCO guy can provide. We actually have pretty decent balance.
We really don't need much of anything next year that a freshman or JUCO guy can provide. We actually have pretty decent balance.
#bruceketball
We really don't need much of anything next year that a freshman or JUCO guy can provide. We actually have pretty decent balance.
#bruceketball
Well, I should elaborate on that. We won't get much of anything from what will be available that we can actually recruit.
I'll say what I've always said about Will; he's at his best when you really don't remember him playing. He hits open shots, but probably not too many. He doesn't get beat badly on defense and gets a few steals. He has a few assists, but nothing eye popping.I've noticed this as well fwiw _FAN, esp yesterday.
He's really frustrating to watch when he doesn't hit shots, but he clearly (in the eyes of his coaches) does some valuable things.
The one thing I've notice most about him this year is that he's hitting the boards much better than last year. His improvement on steals is notable as well.
I guess the stats might back him up, but doesn't film show that he's clearly the most worthless guy on the team? Maybe I'm wrong. I would be :horrorsurprise: if I was tho.
Can the numbers be a bit deceiving? Yes. Do they outright lie? No.
He has had immense value (and played a lot) for each coach he's played for, including one that supposedly hated him. :dunno:
One of those things I guess.
Also, there are no signs that Gip is "outmatched" in conference play. He was a beast (scoring and boarding) last year against Big 12 bigs:
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I don't mind will this year nearly as much as I did last year. It is because he is playing better and his offensive use will decline. We still need him as a 3pt shooter. I wish we had a backyard shooter too, but we don't. We have will. Is what he is. He is actually quite a bit better than Clent Stewart. Mostly because he is not playing point and he doesn't turn the ball over.
I'm pretty sure one of his FTs hit the backboard yesterday.
They said he had the nips or the yips or something on the radio broadcast. It didn't sound to serious. Hopefully clears up quickly what ever it is.I'm pretty sure one of his FTs hit the backboard yesterday.
He's FT shooting this year is weird. He's never had a season below 82% in his career and he's shooting 68%. He has to be playing mind games with himself.
Three emerging role players
1. Jevon Thomas, Kansas State: Jet quick point guard has played just two games for the Wildcats and has dished out 10 assists without committing a single turnover. Ineligible for the first semester for academic reasons, Thomas' presence should only enhance Kansas State's perimeter that already features Will Spradling, Shane Southwell and freshman Marcus Foster.
QuoteThree emerging role players
1. Jevon Thomas, Kansas State: Jet quick point guard has played just two games for the Wildcats and has dished out 10 assists without committing a single turnover. Ineligible for the first semester for academic reasons, Thomas' presence should only enhance Kansas State's perimeter that already features Will Spradling, Shane Southwell and freshman Marcus Foster.
Has played 2 games and CBS is already all over his ball.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/24394423/ok-sts-championship-aspirations-take-blow-with-cobbins-injury (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/24394423/ok-sts-championship-aspirations-take-blow-with-cobbins-injury)
QuoteThree emerging role players
1. Jevon Thomas, Kansas State: Jet quick point guard has played just two games for the Wildcats and has dished out 10 assists without committing a single turnover. Ineligible for the first semester for academic reasons, Thomas' presence should only enhance Kansas State's perimeter that already features Will Spradling, Shane Southwell and freshman Marcus Foster.
Has played 2 games and CBS is already all over his ball.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/24394423/ok-sts-championship-aspirations-take-blow-with-cobbins-injury (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/24394423/ok-sts-championship-aspirations-take-blow-with-cobbins-injury)
I bet JT gets a foul called the first time he says hi to marcus smart.
Spradling actually played really good D last game I thought
Thomas Jevon was an English playwright, and one of the first English Harlequins. He began his career as a dancing master, but worked his way onto the stage
don't worry guys, future looks bright for our guy to start soon:Quote from: WikipediaThomas Jevon was an English playwright, and one of the first English Harlequins. He began his career as a dancing master, but worked his way onto the stage
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Jevon Thomas is shy and hates camera interviews. Now how rough ridin' adorable is that.
Jevon Thomas is shy and hates camera interviews. Now how rough ridin' adorable is that.
It would be even more adorable if he said stuff like Jameis Winston, "I went in there and asked them if dey strong, and dey said we strong if you strong, so I said we strong den!"
I don't hate it! I thought it was adorbsIt would be even more adorable if he said stuff like Jameis Winston, "I went in there and asked them if dey strong, and dey said we strong if you strong, so I said we strong den!"
Ppl that hate that quote are dumbasses.
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real scrappy out there so far today on a shitty teamThat change of ball trajectory. :love:
I am going to start calling Javon, Flashtic = a flashy spastic. He keeps killing runs by making stupid moves or blind dog passes. He can't get good passes to Gipson or to Marcus. His forte last year was defense. He play D likes he is constipated.
4 assists, 1 turnover.
:willtake:
4 assists, 1 turnover.
:willtake:
Yes, he was fantastic today.
Yes, he was fantastic today.
His defense on Hield was garbage, but so was everyone else
Yes, he was fantastic today.
His defense on Hield was garbage, but so was everyone else
Overall our defense was very good, Hield is a also really good player.
Yes, he was fantastic today.
His defense on Hield was garbage, but so was everyone else
Yes, he was fantastic today.
His defense on Hield was garbage, but so was everyone else
I think the standard for Jevon is just set lower. Like, if you imagine he's a 16yr old playing college basketball then he had a good game.
I'll take 6 assists and 2 TOs on the road from Jevon any day.That's pretty much what Zack said
I'll take 6 assists and 2 TOs on the road from Jevon any day.That's pretty much what Zack said
Yes, he was fantastic today.
His defense on Hield was garbage, but so was everyone else
I think the standard for Jevon is just set lower. Like, if you imagine he's a 16yr old playing college basketball then he had a good game.
I'm not as down on Jevon as you seem to be. I think there is a formula for him to be successful.
Yes, he was fantastic today.
His defense on Hield was garbage, but so was everyone else
I think the standard for Jevon is just set lower. Like, if you imagine he's a 16yr old playing college basketball then he had a good game.
I'm not as down on Jevon as you seem to be. I think there is a formula for him to be successful.
I don't see it. Not with oscar. I actually can't stand Jevon. I mean, eff me, be able to shoot the 3 or gtfo.
Nigel missed by the most I have ever seen anyone miss tonight
How far do you have to miss by for the stat man not to count it as a shot?
Did Nigel not get mins bc he was still hurt or just bc he sucks too?
He needs to be recruited over immediately.the worst pg I've seen at ksucats
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can anyone name a worse one?
He needs to be recruited over immediately.the worst pg I've seen at ksucats
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can anyone name a worse one?
Did Nigel not get mins bc he was still hurt or just bc he sucks too?I mean, he was hurt, it was his bday, plus one of our best offensive playing guards. So I'd give him the benefit of the doubt on this one--aka oscar.
oscar implied (he didn't say hurt) that Nigel was hurt. Something like "wasn't available".Maybe it was a DQ ice cream cake that came into play, cause, I'd quit and be all for that. :D
I thought Nigel got hurt during the game. Why is this a mysteryCause this board loves mystery theory.
I thought Nigel got hurt during the game. Why is this a mysteryCause this board loves mystery theory.
I thought Nigel got hurt during the game. Why is this a mysteryCause this board loves mystery theory.
Like, they slow-mo'ed the injury and then showed him being escorted to the locker room.
It sucks, Nigel appears to be a better fit later in games after the tempo is set and we are running more sets.I thought Nigel got hurt during the game. Why is this a mysteryCause this board loves mystery theory.
Like, they slow-mo'ed the injury and then showed him being escorted to the locker room.
I missed the first half, but this makes sense.
Jevon vs SO Stew vs SO Pulls: http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=jacob-pullen&clent-stewart=2005-2006&i=1&jacob-pullen=2008-2009&p1=jevon-thomas&p2=clent-stewart
Jevon vs SO Stew vs SO Pulls: http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=jacob-pullen&clent-stewart=2005-2006&i=1&jacob-pullen=2008-2009&p1=jevon-thomas&p2=clent-stewart
I'm guessing the point here is that the stat profiles are not terribly different, however I never hated the guts out of Jake or Clent. I guess I don't care what the stats say on this one, Jevon should never play basketball for ksu again.
Jevon vs SO Stew vs SO Pulls: http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=jacob-pullen&clent-stewart=2005-2006&i=1&jacob-pullen=2008-2009&p1=jevon-thomas&p2=clent-stewart
I'm guessing the point here is that the stat profiles are not terribly different, however I never hated the guts out of Jake or Clent. I guess I don't care what the stats say on this one, Jevon should never play basketball for ksu again.
Yeah. Just a comparison, but I think Jevon has lots of limitations right now.
Jevon vs SO Stew vs SO Pulls: http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=jacob-pullen&clent-stewart=2005-2006&i=1&jacob-pullen=2008-2009&p1=jevon-thomas&p2=clent-stewart
I'm guessing the point here is that the stat profiles are not terribly different, however I never hated the guts out of Jake or Clent. I guess I don't care what the stats say on this one, Jevon should never play basketball for ksu again.
Yeah. Just a comparison, but I think Jevon has lots of limitations right now.
Jevon is very comparable to Clent but nothing compared to Pullen. I have no idea why you included Pullen.
Jevon vs SO Stew vs SO Pulls: http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=jacob-pullen&clent-stewart=2005-2006&i=1&jacob-pullen=2008-2009&p1=jevon-thomas&p2=clent-stewart
I'm guessing the point here is that the stat profiles are not terribly different, however I never hated the guts out of Jake or Clent. I guess I don't care what the stats say on this one, Jevon should never play basketball for ksu again.
Yeah. Just a comparison, but I think Jevon has lots of limitations right now.
Jevon is very comparable to Clent but nothing compared to Pullen. I have no idea why you included Pullen.
Didn't clent shoot occasionally? I feel like he did but I didn't click those links
Jevon vs SO Stew vs SO Pulls: http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=jacob-pullen&clent-stewart=2005-2006&i=1&jacob-pullen=2008-2009&p1=jevon-thomas&p2=clent-stewart
I'm guessing the point here is that the stat profiles are not terribly different, however I never hated the guts out of Jake or Clent. I guess I don't care what the stats say on this one, Jevon should never play basketball for ksu again.
Yeah. Just a comparison, but I think Jevon has lots of limitations right now.
Jevon is very comparable to Clent but nothing compared to Pullen. I have no idea why you included Pullen.
Jevon vs SO Stew vs SO Pulls: http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=jacob-pullen&clent-stewart=2005-2006&i=1&jacob-pullen=2008-2009&p1=jevon-thomas&p2=clent-stewart
I'm guessing the point here is that the stat profiles are not terribly different, however I never hated the guts out of Jake or Clent. I guess I don't care what the stats say on this one, Jevon should never play basketball for ksu again.
Yeah. Just a comparison, but I think Jevon has lots of limitations right now.
Jevon is very comparable to Clent but nothing compared to Pullen. I have no idea why you included Pullen.
I thought comparing to what most think is one of our best guards ever and one of our most average seemed appropriate.
You guys this is only tangentially related to this topic, if at all, but look me in the face and tell me you wouldn't like to have some downtown Fred BrownI would never do anything that idiotic
Yeah. Just a comparison, but I think Jevon has lots of limitations right now.
Jevon really makes me pine for the days of Jarrett Hart and Aaron Schwarzendrubber.
Jevon really makes me pine for the days of Jarrett Hart and Aaron Schwarzendrubber.
Here's the ultimate question; Jevon or Stew?
As bad as Jevon is, I still think he is the most improved player on the team and that he should be a lot better next year.but if your "a lot better" is still rough ridin' terrible why bother?
As bad as Jevon is, I still think he is the most improved player on the team and that he should be a lot better next year.but if your "a lot better" is still rough ridin' terrible why bother?
nope, he rough ridin' sucksAs bad as Jevon is, I still think he is the most improved player on the team and that he should be a lot better next year.but if your "a lot better" is still rough ridin' terrible why bother?
I think he has improved from terrible last season to mediocre this season.
Jevon vs SO Stew vs SO Pulls: http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=jacob-pullen&clent-stewart=2005-2006&i=1&jacob-pullen=2008-2009&p1=jevon-thomas&p2=clent-stewart
I'm guessing the point here is that the stat profiles are not terribly different, however I never hated the guts out of Jake or Clent. I guess I don't care what the stats say on this one, Jevon should never play basketball for ksu again.
Yeah. Just a comparison, but I think Jevon has lots of limitations right now.
Jevon is very comparable to Clent but nothing compared to Pullen. I have no idea why you included Pullen.
I thought comparing to what most think is one of our best guards ever and one of our most average seemed appropriate.
perhaps more interesting is how unfavorably he compares to Frank Richards (who I remember really disliking as a player)
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=frank-richards&clent-stewart=2005-2006&frank-richards=2002-2003&i=1&jacob-pullen=2008-2009&p1=jevon-thomas&p2=clent-stewart&p3=jacob-pullen
that rough ridin' clown is not mediocre, my God what's wrong with you to say something like that?People generally confuse "mediocre" with "terrible", I think.
Well I've got bad news for you because Jevon is worseJevon vs SO Stew vs SO Pulls: http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=jacob-pullen&clent-stewart=2005-2006&i=1&jacob-pullen=2008-2009&p1=jevon-thomas&p2=clent-stewart
I'm guessing the point here is that the stat profiles are not terribly different, however I never hated the guts out of Jake or Clent. I guess I don't care what the stats say on this one, Jevon should never play basketball for ksu again.
Yeah. Just a comparison, but I think Jevon has lots of limitations right now.
Jevon is very comparable to Clent but nothing compared to Pullen. I have no idea why you included Pullen.
I thought comparing to what most think is one of our best guards ever and one of our most average seemed appropriate.
perhaps more interesting is how unfavorably he compares to Frank Richards (who I remember really disliking as a player)
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=frank-richards&clent-stewart=2005-2006&frank-richards=2002-2003&i=1&jacob-pullen=2008-2009&p1=jevon-thomas&p2=clent-stewart&p3=jacob-pullen
I've thought JT was Frank Richards reincarnated from the beginning, and I've hated him as a player for that reason
How does he track on oscar's hustle chart tho?
Stew all day long. Also, was it Stew that KK had a personal vendetta against?Jevon really makes me pine for the days of Jarrett Hart and Aaron Schwarzendrubber.
Here's the ultimate question; Jevon or Stew?
Stew all day long. Also, was it Stew that KK had a personal vendetta against?Jevon really makes me pine for the days of Jarrett Hart and Aaron Schwarzendrubber.
Here's the ultimate question; Jevon or Stew?
His turnover rate through 6 Big 12 games is absolutely terrible and he doesn't score.
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=33829.msg1300289#msg1300289
It must be his assist rate that intrigues oscar and staff. :dunno:
Jevon really makes me pine for the days of Jarrett Hart and Aaron Schwarzendrubber.
Here's the ultimate question; Jevon or Stew?
why does he play?
why does he play?
lack of alternatives
Yeah, Nigel was hurt last night but I definitely prefer him if only because he is a threat to make a jump shotwhy does he play?
lack of alternatives
reading _FAN's stats tells me that nigel is better
Yeah, Nigel was hurt last night but I definitely prefer him if only because he is a threat to make a jump shotwhy does he play?
lack of alternatives
reading _FAN's stats tells me that nigel is better
Yeah, Nigel was hurt last night but I definitely prefer him if only because he is a threat to make a jump shotwhy does he play?
lack of alternatives
reading _FAN's stats tells me that nigel is better
Yeah, Nigel was hurt last night but I definitely prefer him if only because he is a threat to make a jump shotwhy does he play?
lack of alternatives
reading _FAN's stats tells me that nigel is better
I don't think Thomas' high assist rate is a fluke, he's pretty decent at creating plays. However, at nearly a 1 to 1 ratio he also turns the ball over and many of them are just terrible decisions. And yes, a scoring rate below 10 points per 100 is bad. Its like we have a bad version of Jacy Holloway out there or something.
Yeah, Nigel was hurt last night but I definitely prefer him if only because he is a threat to make a jump shotwhy does he play?
lack of alternatives
reading _FAN's stats tells me that nigel is better
I don't think Thomas' high assist rate is a fluke, he's pretty decent at creating plays. However, at nearly a 1 to 1 ratio he also turns the ball over and many of them are just terrible decisions. And yes, a scoring rate below 10 points per 100 is bad. Its like we have a bad version of Jacy Holloway out there or something.
He sees the floor well, better than lot of previous point guards. His turnovers come in flurries, he has a long stretch of being a really good point guard. Not having shooters on the court is going to handicap any point guard.
Like, I don't remember a player in KSU history that sucked as much as Jevon that people tried so hard to find positives in, or make him seem better than he is. I mean people were less positive about Bill Walker when he was here.
Like, I don't remember a player in KSU history that sucked as much as Jevon that people tried so hard to find positives in, or make him seem better than he is. I mean people were less positive about Bill Walker when he was here.
i remember you distinctly saying that bill walker would never see the floor. you basically led the hate charge back thenLike, I don't remember a player in KSU history that sucked as much as Jevon that people tried so hard to find positives in, or make him seem better than he is. I mean people were less positive about Bill Walker when he was here.
That's just not true. Most of us thought Bill was God Jr. when he was here.
I may have been a tad hyperbolicLike, I don't remember a player in KSU history that sucked as much as Jevon that people tried so hard to find positives in, or make him seem better than he is. I mean people were less positive about Bill Walker when he was here.
That's just not true. Most of us thought Bill was God Jr. when he was here.
i remember you distinctly saying that bill walker would never see the floor. you basically led the hate charge back thenLike, I don't remember a player in KSU history that sucked as much as Jevon that people tried so hard to find positives in, or make him seem better than he is. I mean people were less positive about Bill Walker when he was here.
That's just not true. Most of us thought Bill was God Jr. when he was here.
nope. hate on hateri remember you distinctly saying that bill walker would never see the floor. you basically led the hate charge back thenLike, I don't remember a player in KSU history that sucked as much as Jevon that people tried so hard to find positives in, or make him seem better than he is. I mean people were less positive about Bill Walker when he was here.
That's just not true. Most of us thought Bill was God Jr. when he was here.
Your memory must be really bad then. I didn't even message board when Bill Walker was here. I just went to the games and thought he was God Jr.
Fans have hated Walker, Denny and Angel with a passion. I think it just shows how emotional drunk the fan base can become.
nope. hate on hateri remember you distinctly saying that bill walker would never see the floor. you basically led the hate charge back thenLike, I don't remember a player in KSU history that sucked as much as Jevon that people tried so hard to find positives in, or make him seem better than he is. I mean people were less positive about Bill Walker when he was here.
That's just not true. Most of us thought Bill was God Jr. when he was here.
Your memory must be really bad then. I didn't even message board when Bill Walker was here. I just went to the games and thought he was God Jr.
to hatenope. hate on hateri remember you distinctly saying that bill walker would never see the floor. you basically led the hate charge back thenLike, I don't remember a player in KSU history that sucked as much as Jevon that people tried so hard to find positives in, or make him seem better than he is. I mean people were less positive about Bill Walker when he was here.
That's just not true. Most of us thought Bill was God Jr. when he was here.
Your memory must be really bad then. I didn't even message board when Bill Walker was here. I just went to the games and thought he was God Jr.
Bill Walker is my 3rd favorite Cat hoops player of all time.
2 pts on 0 for 11 shooting from the floor. Bill Walker is so amazing.
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=310419002 (http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=310419002)
Yeah, he's terrible.
2 pts on 0 for 11 shooting from the floor. Bill Walker is so amazing.
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=310419002 (http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=310419002)
Yeah, he's terrible.
:surprised:
to hatenope. hate on hateri remember you distinctly saying that bill walker would never see the floor. you basically led the hate charge back thenLike, I don't remember a player in KSU history that sucked as much as Jevon that people tried so hard to find positives in, or make him seem better than he is. I mean people were less positive about Bill Walker when he was here.
That's just not true. Most of us thought Bill was God Jr. when he was here.
Your memory must be really bad then. I didn't even message board when Bill Walker was here. I just went to the games and thought he was God Jr.
Bill Walker is my 3rd favorite Cat hoops player of all time.
I like Jevon more than I should because he takes shots and attacks the rim. It doesn't bother me that much that he's not effective at it, because it feels like he should be effective at it. I can fully acknowledge that he isn't very good at basketball, but I really want to see him get better and feel like he can.
I like Jevon more than I should because he takes shots and attacks the rim. It doesn't bother me that much that he's not effective at it, because it feels like he should be effective at it. I can fully acknowledge that he isn't very good at basketball, but I really want to see him get better and feel like he can.Yeah, this is what I'm getting at. He seems like he's almost there to a lot of people even though he sucks at getting to the rim and shooting (and does both very rarely).
you know what you look like? a rough ridin' liar thats whatto hatenope. hate on hateri remember you distinctly saying that bill walker would never see the floor. you basically led the hate charge back thenLike, I don't remember a player in KSU history that sucked as much as Jevon that people tried so hard to find positives in, or make him seem better than he is. I mean people were less positive about Bill Walker when he was here.
That's just not true. Most of us thought Bill was God Jr. when he was here.
Your memory must be really bad then. I didn't even message board when Bill Walker was here. I just went to the games and thought he was God Jr.
Bill Walker is my 3rd favorite Cat hoops player of all time.
You must be confusing Bill Walker with Alex Putuzak. It's weird because they look nothing alike.
you know what you look like? a rough ridin' liar thats whatto hatenope. hate on hateri remember you distinctly saying that bill walker would never see the floor. you basically led the hate charge back thenLike, I don't remember a player in KSU history that sucked as much as Jevon that people tried so hard to find positives in, or make him seem better than he is. I mean people were less positive about Bill Walker when he was here.
That's just not true. Most of us thought Bill was God Jr. when he was here.
Your memory must be really bad then. I didn't even message board when Bill Walker was here. I just went to the games and thought he was God Jr.
Bill Walker is my 3rd favorite Cat hoops player of all time.
You must be confusing Bill Walker with Alex Putuzak. It's weird because they look nothing alike.
No, I don't. Maybe you should click on my name on Fan's post to see what was actually said.
you know what you look like? a rough ridin' liar thats whatto hatenope. hate on hateri remember you distinctly saying that bill walker would never see the floor. you basically led the hate charge back thenLike, I don't remember a player in KSU history that sucked as much as Jevon that people tried so hard to find positives in, or make him seem better than he is. I mean people were less positive about Bill Walker when he was here.
That's just not true. Most of us thought Bill was God Jr. when he was here.
Your memory must be really bad then. I didn't even message board when Bill Walker was here. I just went to the games and thought he was God Jr.
Bill Walker is my 3rd favorite Cat hoops player of all time.
You must be confusing Bill Walker with Alex Putuzak. It's weird because they look nothing alike.
No, I don't. Maybe you should click on my name on Fan's post to see what was actually said.
2 pts on 0 for 11 shooting from the floor. Bill Walker is so amazing.
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=310419002 (http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=310419002)
i rough ridin' hate bill walker, he is terrible and should transfer
:lol:no crap?
NBA players don't transfer.
I like Jevon more than I should because he takes shots and attacks the rim. It doesn't bother me that much that he's not effective at it, because it feels like he should be effective at it. I can fully acknowledge that he isn't very good at basketball, but I really want to see him get better and feel like he can.Yeah, this is what I'm getting at. He seems like he's almost there to a lot of people even though he sucks at getting to the rim and shooting (and does both very rarely).
:lol:no crap?
NBA players don't transfer.
eat crap
I like Jevon more than I should because he takes shots and attacks the rim. It doesn't bother me that much that he's not effective at it, because it feels like he should be effective at it. I can fully acknowledge that he isn't very good at basketball, but I really want to see him get better and feel like he can.Yeah, this is what I'm getting at. He seems like he's almost there to a lot of people even though he sucks at getting to the rim and shooting (and does both very rarely).
I don't think he sucks a getting to the rim. I actually think he excels at it, he has the skill set for it in spades.
if you took a bunch of random basketball terms and phrases heard on ESPN, middle school coaching clinics, and sports talk radio; and then had a robot spit them out into random sentences it would essentially be Mixed Nuts.
Guards have to be able to shoot to be good at basketball. This isn't the '50s. Jevon can't shoot, so he sucks. It's pretty goddam simple. Some idiot will cite Rondo and he'll be wrong. Rondo can shoot, just not from outside the arc. Jevon can't even hit wide open layups. It's no wonder he forces a bunch of stupid passes, when the other team only has to guard four players it makes open shots hard to come by. He needs to get better at shooting or find a spot on the bench (or another roster).
if you took a bunch of random basketball terms and phrases heard on ESPN, middle school coaching clinics, and sports talk radio; and then had a robot spit them out into random sentences it would essentially be Mixed Nuts.
He doesn't have an issue getting into the lane. The problems start once he gets in there. I might be able to count the times he has finished a layup with any resemblance of contact in two years on one hand. He badI like Jevon more than I should because he takes shots and attacks the rim. It doesn't bother me that much that he's not effective at it, because it feels like he should be effective at it. I can fully acknowledge that he isn't very good at basketball, but I really want to see him get better and feel like he can.Yeah, this is what I'm getting at. He seems like he's almost there to a lot of people even though he sucks at getting to the rim and shooting (and does both very rarely).
I don't think he sucks a getting to the rim. I actually think he excels at it, he has the skill set for it in spades. He needs to be more aggressive. Also with the lack of shooters on the team driving lanes aren't always open. I think the staff has to be careful with asking him to do to much. I think his head gets under water at times.
if you took a bunch of random basketball terms and phrases heard on ESPN, middle school coaching clinics, and sports talk radio; and then had a robot spit them out into random sentences it would essentially be Mixed Nuts.
if you took a bunch of random basketball terms and phrases heard on ESPN, middle school coaching clinics, and sports talk radio; and then had a robot spit them out into random sentences it would essentially be Mixed Nuts.
Y'all are rude. Mixed might be a bit nutty but he's one helluva cat fan :emawkid:
Jevon is terrible and the only proof you need is 11-8. With a solid PG, we are 15-4 and a NCAA lock. With Jevon, we're an NIT bubble team.
:blush:
if you took a bunch of random basketball terms and phrases heard on ESPN, middle school coaching clinics, and sports talk radio; and then had a robot spit them out into random sentences it would essentially be Mixed Nuts.what makes this so great is knowing chingon
I'd trade Jevon for about any other point guard in the Big 12.
I wish Nigel got Jevon's minutes. But, yes from another team.I'd trade Jevon for about any other point guard in the Big 12.
I hope u mean from another team.... Cause Nigel is even more pathetic.... But both suck
Nigel is worse than Jevon. Much worse.
Nigel is worse than Jevon. Much worse.
Yes. It makes me very sad.
they both suck, so im not sure why were letting one sucky guy play the whole time. they should split time sucking so maybe one of them gets better and stops sucking.
I'm sorry, in what way is Nigel worse than Jevon? Nigel is at least a moderate threat to make a basket and manages to keep his TO Rate under 30. That's far more valuable (to this team) than Jevon's Assist Rate.
Maybe if Jevon was surrounded by playmakers, he'd be worth more minutes. But, you know, he isn't.
I'm sorry, in what way is Nigel worse than Jevon? Nigel is at least a moderate threat to make a basket and manages to keep his TO Rate under 30. That's far more valuable (to this team) than Jevon's Assist Rate.
Maybe if Jevon was surrounded by playmakers, he'd be worth more minutes. But, you know, he isn't.
Scoring points, getting assists, forcing turnovers, rebounding, and just about any other basketball statistic.
I'm sorry, in what way is Nigel worse than Jevon? Nigel is at least a moderate threat to make a basket and manages to keep his TO Rate under 30. That's far more valuable (to this team) than Jevon's Assist Rate.
Maybe if Jevon was surrounded by playmakers, he'd be worth more minutes. But, you know, he isn't.
Scoring points, getting assists, forcing turnovers, rebounding, and just about any other basketball statistic.
You're dead wrong about scoring points and forcing turnovers, at least on a per possession basis which is the only fair way to compare. The assists don't help us due to the ridiculous volume of turnovers, and looks like you're left with rebounds.
So in short, you think Jevon is a more valuable PG than Nigel because of rebounding.
I'm sorry, in what way is Nigel worse than Jevon? Nigel is at least a moderate threat to make a basket and manages to keep his TO Rate under 30. That's far more valuable (to this team) than Jevon's Assist Rate.
Maybe if Jevon was surrounded by playmakers, he'd be worth more minutes. But, you know, he isn't.
Scoring points, getting assists, forcing turnovers, rebounding, and just about any other basketball statistic.
You're dead wrong about scoring points and forcing turnovers, at least on a per possession basis which is the only fair way to compare. The assists don't help us due to the ridiculous volume of turnovers, and looks like you're left with rebounds.
So in short, you think Jevon is a more valuable PG than Nigel because of rebounding.
I was just using the chart _Fan updates.
I'm sorry, in what way is Nigel worse than Jevon? Nigel is at least a moderate threat to make a basket and manages to keep his TO Rate under 30. That's far more valuable (to this team) than Jevon's Assist Rate.
Maybe if Jevon was surrounded by playmakers, he'd be worth more minutes. But, you know, he isn't.
Scoring points, getting assists, forcing turnovers, rebounding, and just about any other basketball statistic.
You're dead wrong about scoring points and forcing turnovers, at least on a per possession basis which is the only fair way to compare. The assists don't help us due to the ridiculous volume of turnovers, and looks like you're left with rebounds.
So in short, you think Jevon is a more valuable PG than Nigel because of rebounding.
I was actually wrong about the rebounds and right about scoring points, at least according to the chart _Fan updates.
I was just using the chart _Fan updates.
Yeah, it depends if you want to debate based on Big 12 only or full season. I prefer Big 12 only at this point and Jevon is better. Nigel's assist to turnover rate is dreadful and it can't make up for his slightly better scoring or a few more steals.
I'm sorry, in what way is Nigel worse than Jevon? Nigel is at least a moderate threat to make a basket and manages to keep his TO Rate under 30. That's far more valuable (to this team) than Jevon's Assist Rate.
Maybe if Jevon was surrounded by playmakers, he'd be worth more minutes. But, you know, he isn't.
Scoring points, getting assists, forcing turnovers, rebounding, and just about any other basketball statistic.
You're dead wrong about scoring points and forcing turnovers, at least on a per possession basis which is the only fair way to compare. The assists don't help us due to the ridiculous volume of turnovers, and looks like you're left with rebounds.
So in short, you think Jevon is a more valuable PG than Nigel because of rebounding.
Jevon has been better at almost everything in Big 12 play only. Jevon is much better at assists and TOs and he's shooting better and Nigel is our only guard with a negative A:TO ratio. Nigel's scoring rate is slightly better and his steal rate is better, but its really hard to argue that Nigel has been better in Big 12 games.
I was just using the chart _Fan updates.
Yeah, it depends if you want to debate based on Big 12 only or full season. I prefer Big 12 only at this point and Jevon is better. Nigel's assist to turnover rate is dreadful and it can't make up for his slightly better scoring or a few more steals.
what on earth are you looking at?
I was just using the chart _Fan updates.
Yeah, it depends if you want to debate based on Big 12 only or full season. I prefer Big 12 only at this point and Jevon is better. Nigel's assist to turnover rate is dreadful and it can't make up for his slightly better scoring or a few more steals.
what on earth are you looking at?
The 1/28/15 chart, Big 12 stats only.
Nigel has 8 assists and 11 turnovers in Big 12 play. He's 2-9 from 3. Yeah, limited minutes, but not good. If he wants to play more he needs to be better and not absolutely melt down with the basketball multiple times against WVU.
It is not a debate, Nigel can't penetrate.
A FWIW comparo; Nigel/Jevon vs Top 100 kenpom compared to >100 kenpom.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.com%2Fa%2Fimg661%2F3438%2FX2tFOg.png&hash=091d35084477063a532bf19b6efe721e131c80da)
A FWIW comparo; Nigel/Jevon vs Top 100 kenpom compared to >100 kenpom.
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do they not have EFGs for those games?
A FWIW comparo; Nigel/Jevon vs Top 100 kenpom compared to >100 kenpom.
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I would be willing to try wes and foster as combos and put edwards in the game as the three.
since every stat shows Nigel is about even with Jevon (at worst), even in the attempt to skew the numbers in Jevon's favor, Nigel is the clear winner because he's proven he can shoot from 3. On another team, this might not be the case, but this team has a more glaring need for a competent three point shooter than about any team I can think of.
since every stat shows Nigel is about even with Jevon (at worst), even in the attempt to skew the numbers in Jevon's favor, Nigel is the clear winner because he's proven he can shoot from 3. On another team, this might not be the case, but this team has a more glaring need for a competent three point shooter than about any team I can think of.
Skew the numbers? What?
I thought how each performed against better teams was worthwhile. Do with the stats what you want.
Watching an argument between two of the better posters on this board over whether Nigel Johnson or Jevon Thomas is the least shitty point guard on our roster is BY FAR the most depressing part of Bruceketball so far. Guys, it doesn't matter. They are both terrible.
Watching an argument between two of the better posters on this board over whether Nigel Johnson or Jevon Thomas is the least shitty point guard on our roster is BY FAR the most depressing part of Bruceketball so far. Guys, it doesn't matter. They are both terrible.
Nigel's shooting could be an asset. Probably won't, but it could be.
Both players should play, Jevon should play more. If Nigel had earned more minutes he'd play, it's not like Jevon hasn't tried to give him every opportunity. To be fair, Nigel probably not being 100% healthy hasn't helped him. But I see no reason to believe Nigel has beaten Jevon for the spot.
And Nigel's shooting last season was worse than I remembered.
Watching an argument between two of the better posters on this board over whether Nigel Johnson or Jevon Thomas is the least shitty point guard on our roster is BY FAR the most depressing part of Bruceketball so far. Guys, it doesn't matter. They are both terrible.
True. I only consider him to be competent enough at shooting that a defense would consider guarding him. Which is what this team needs more than whatever Jevon gives us.And Nigel's shooting last season was worse than I remembered.
he only seems like a good shooter because he is compared to thomas.
Watching an argument between two of the better posters on this board over whether Nigel Johnson or Jevon Thomas is the least shitty point guard on our roster is BY FAR the most depressing part of Bruceketball so far. Guys, it doesn't matter. They are both terrible.
Pretty much this.
And yeah, I think oscar plays the guys he thinks he can win with. This isn't freaking middle school.
I think this debate should be about oscar's inability to evaluate point guards. Don't ever forget what he told Jacob Pullen.
The sequence at the end of the game where Jevon was fouled shooting a layup (he missed), missed both free throws, got his own rebound and then turned it over was the most Jevon-y sequence ever. Also, he may have shot a layup off the side of the backboard I`m not sure. I hate him. Like more than any KSU cat ever.
The sequence at the end of the game where Jevon was fouled shooting a layup (he missed), missed both free throws, got his own rebound and then turned it over was the most Jevon-y sequence ever. Also, he may have shot a layup off the side of the backboard I`m not sure. I hate him. Like more than any KSU cat ever.
The sequence at the end of the game where Jevon was fouled shooting a layup (he missed), missed both free throws, got his own rebound and then turned it over was the most Jevon-y sequence ever. Also, he may have shot a layup off the side of the backboard I`m not sure. I hate him. Like more than any KSU cat ever.
Hopper is far worse and much more hate able IMO.
Called it back in 2013. Can you look into your crystal ball and post tonight's Mega Millions numbers?Angel came to play for Frank.Very logical, but I don't think Thomas came to play for oscar so much as the best program that would have him with his academics. With that resolved, there will be lots of options, and given the transfer environment of today's game . . .
Jevon came to play for oscar.
IIRC, Mr Bread had said oscar didn't have many contributors leave.
So probably if you are true BID or TYS then you want Jevon to suck.