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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: fun muffin on November 07, 2013, 10:56:49 PM
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Very quick!!!!!
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Very quick!!!!!
Surprisingly lengthy.
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not very will-like at all
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After Jevon Thomas takes the court, no one will remember Nigel Johnson.
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After Jevon Thomas takes the court, no one will remember Nigel Johnson.
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Nigel will get good PT next year if he doesn't transfer.
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Nigel will get good PT next year if he doesn't transfer.
He needs PT now tho.
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Nigel will get good PT next year if he doesn't transfer.
He needs PT now tho.
It would be nice, but for who?
We all knew (probably even Nigel) this was coming once Jevon started playing.
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Nigel will get good PT next year if he doesn't transfer.
He needs PT now tho.
It would be nice, but for who?
We all knew (probably even Nigel) this was coming once Jevon started playing.
I agree, but I like his length, and his will (no pun intended) to score. I could see him using Omari's minutes. :dunno:
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Maybe 3 of Jevons minutes when he's being passive aggressive.
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Omari should only play in games where we need size and length defending the perimeter and on the boards. Like tonight. Otherwise, I'd rather Nigel get his minutes.
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Nigel will get good PT next year if he doesn't transfer.
He needs PT now tho.
It would be nice, but for who?
We all knew (probably even Nigel) this was coming once Jevon started playing.
I agree, but I like his length, and his will (no pun intended) to score. I could see him using Omari's minutes. :dunno:
It would be tough because they don't play remotely the same position. Omari is the primary back-up at the 3 spot while Nigel is trying to get minutes from Will and Jevon and its tough to keep those 2 off the floor right now.
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I know. Just wishful thinking. Sleeveless Will is a ruthless bastard and is just mushing this rosters guards apart. :love:
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I know. Just wishful thinking. Sleeveless Will is a ruthless bastard and is just mashing this rosters guards apart. :love:
Pretty much.
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he should transfer.
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he should transfer.
Yes, he's not very good. Not sure why people think otherwise.
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he should transfer.
Yes, he's not very good. Not sure why people think otherwise.
Westicles looked like a dork most of the time on the court until the last few games as well. Freshman get better, it's hard to tell though when they never play. Not saying he should be playing more, but if he was, then we would be seeing improvement.
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he should transfer.
Yes, he's not very good. Not sure why people think otherwise.
He's actually pretty good. If you watched the games you guys might know that.
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Westicles looked like a dork most of the time on the court until the last few games as well. Freshman get better, it's hard to tell though when they never play. Not saying he should be playing more, but if he was, then we would be seeing improvement.
he can't get minutes behind a guy in the same class as himself that shoots like 20% from the floor. if he wants to play, he should transfer.
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Wtf? Sys and Mich, wtf are you talking about? Maybe its been too long since he's played for you to get it? Also, I know the Cali kids didn't get to see a lot of his early work in the season, so I get it
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Westicles looked like a dork most of the time on the court until the last few games as well. Freshman get better, it's hard to tell though when they never play. Not saying he should be playing more, but if he was, then we would be seeing improvement.
he can't get minutes behind a guy in the same class as himself that shoots like 20% from the floor. if he wants to play, he should transfer.
Classic observo from a person who doesn't watch the games
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he should transfer.
Yes, he's not very good. Not sure why people think otherwise.
His assists per 100 and steals per 100 are solid. 2PT shooting is good for a PG and I think he can shoot better than his 28% from 3 for his career. I think he's got plenty to like for a back-up combo guard and could be another Tay-type player for us (In fact he's better at pretty much everything when compared to Tay as a FR).
I'm not sure why you guys think he is so bad. :dunno:
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Westicles looked like a dork most of the time on the court until the last few games as well. Freshman get better, it's hard to tell though when they never play. Not saying he should be playing more, but if he was, then we would be seeing improvement.
he can't get minutes behind a guy in the same class as himself that shoots like 20% from the floor. if he wants to play, he should transfer.
You mean he's behind a guy who has over a 4-1 A/TO ratio. Jevon is a true point and Nigel is a combo guard. Two totally different players. You're just being obstinate.
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he should transfer.
Yes, he's not very good. Not sure why people think otherwise.
His assists per 100 and steals per 100 are solid. 2PT shooting is good for a PG and I think he can shoot better than his 28% from 3 for his career. I think he's got plenty to like for a back-up combo guard and could be another Tay-type player for us (In fact he's better at pretty much everything when compared to Tay as a FR).
I'm not sure why you guys think he is so bad. :dunno:
I never thought Tay was very good either. :dunno:
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I never thought Tay was very good either. :dunno:
He developed into a nice guard to bring off the bench his JR and SR seasons. I think its nice to have guys like that, especially when you don't have a program that's rolling out a bunch of NBA players.
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We need Nigel back. Cali peeps are seeing box scores, but that dude was $ in the off season. Looked nice on the floor. More promise than Will, that's for sure.
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Classic observo from a person who doesn't watch the games
i saw the isu game and more than half of tonight's. irregardless, i'm not claiming johnson is bad (that's michigan). i'm saying he should transfer. if he's behind thomas now, and he obviously is, when is that ever going to change? thomas has a lot more room to improve than johnson does. is he going to bump foster to the 3? unlikely
there's already two guys in his same class ahead of him at the only positions he can play. and i doubt if kstate is going to stop recruiting guards for the next three years. if he wants more than a 5-10 a game, with the likely prospect of peaking in minutes during his soph year, he should transfer.
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He's never going to get as much playing time here as he could elsewhere. He's got Thomas and Foster in front of him now and I should hope we recruit over him. A red-shirt year would probably do him a lot of good.
But if he wants to stay knowing all that, I'm fine with it.
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if he wants to stay knowing all that, I'm fine with it.
yeah, me too. i like him. i think he should transfer because it'd be in his best interest. the other johnson is the one i don't like.
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He'd be the best reserve PG in along time tho.
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Classic observo from a person who doesn't watch the games
i saw the isu game and more than half of tonight's. irregardless, i'm not claiming johnson is bad (that's michigan). i'm saying he should transfer. if he's behind thomas now, and he obviously is, when is that ever going to change? thomas has a lot more room to improve than johnson does. is he going to bump foster to the 3? unlikely
there's already two guys in his same class ahead of him at the only positions he can play. and i doubt if kstate is going to stop recruiting guards for the next three years. if he wants more than a 5-10 a game, with the likely prospect of peaking in minutes during his soph year, he should transfer.
That's fair.
It depends what he wants out of his career. He could be like Irving and happy to be at a BCS school with a smaller role. (It's not like he had a bunch of other major offers) If he wants to play more, sure he can always leave for an A10 school.
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I never thought Tay was very good either. :dunno:
He developed into a nice guard to bring off the bench his JR and SR seasons. I think its nice to have guys like that, especially when you don't have a program that's rolling out a bunch of NBA players.
I like to think we could replace him with someone better that isn't an NBA caliber player.
I mean, he's basically getting Michael Orris minutes now, and no one cared when he left.
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I don't pay attention to who comes off the bench at other Big 12 schools, but does Jevon have a decent shot at Big 12 6th man of the year?
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I don't pay attention to who comes off the bench at other Big 12 schools, but does Jevon have a decent shot at Big 12 6th man of the year?
Probably not at this point. Voters pay too much attention to PPG. :dunno:
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I never thought Tay was very good either. :dunno:
He developed into a nice guard to bring off the bench his JR and SR seasons. I think its nice to have guys like that, especially when you don't have a program that's rolling out a bunch of NBA players.
I like to think we could replace him with someone better that isn't an NBA caliber player.
I mean, he's basically getting Michael Orris minutes now, and no one cared when he left.
Someone has to sit on the bench, and unless you're talking about a premiere bball school, good players aren't going to do that. They'll go somewhere where they can play. You're not going to get someone much better than Nigel to sit on the bench and be a role player. If you want to make the argument that we should be recruiting better starters, then I would agree with that.
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I don't pay attention to who comes off the bench at other Big 12 schools, but does Jevon have a decent shot at Big 12 6th man of the year?
Probably not at this point. Voters pay too much attention to PPG. :dunno:
No. He's a creator and has done a great job of doing that, but they look at offensive numbers for that category.
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I never thought Tay was very good either. :dunno:
He developed into a nice guard to bring off the bench his JR and SR seasons. I think its nice to have guys like that, especially when you don't have a program that's rolling out a bunch of NBA players.
I like to think we could replace him with someone better that isn't an NBA caliber player.
I mean, he's basically getting Michael Orris minutes now, and no one cared when he left.
Someone has to sit on the bench, and unless you're talking about a premiere bball school, good players aren't going to do that. They'll go somewhere where they can play. You're not going to get someone much better than Nigel to sit on the bench and be a role player. If you want to make the argument that we should be recruiting better starters, then I would agree with that.
Most players don't sit on the bench for 4 years, anywhere. Tay was an exception, not the rule.
And if we can't find someone in 2015 better than Nigel that would have the opportunity to start for 2 years, we are utterly mumped.
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I never thought Tay was very good either. :dunno:
@mocat
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Tay had great minutes his FR yr and was a great part of that run. Unfair comparison. He bought in, thinking he'd be more and accepted it his JR yr.
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I never thought Tay was very good either. :dunno:
He developed into a nice guard to bring off the bench his JR and SR seasons. I think its nice to have guys like that, especially when you don't have a program that's rolling out a bunch of NBA players.
I like to think we could replace him with someone better that isn't an NBA caliber player.
I mean, he's basically getting Michael Orris minutes now, and no one cared when he left.
Someone has to sit on the bench, and unless you're talking about a premiere bball school, good players aren't going to do that. They'll go somewhere where they can play. You're not going to get someone much better than Nigel to sit on the bench and be a role player. If you want to make the argument that we should be recruiting better starters, then I would agree with that.
Most players don't sit on the bench for 4 years, anywhere. Tay was an exception, not the rule.
And if we can't find someone in 2015 better than Nigel that would have the opportunity to start for 2 years, we are utterly mumped.
It is easier to convince a talented kid to come play limited minutes for one or two years, when the coach has promised them that they're next up. So, kind of an apples and oranges comparison you're making there. It's still good to have a competent player on the bench that can play a couple of different positions in a pinch though. You can either Frank that guy and burn through a bunch of guys like Myles, @95, and Gilbert...or you can try to convince a guy like Nigel to stay for four years and continue to try to recruit above him. I'm just not sure you will have a bunch of success recruiting over a guy like that, unless the starter's departure is fairly imminent.
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I never thought Tay was very good either. :dunno:
He developed into a nice guard to bring off the bench his JR and SR seasons. I think its nice to have guys like that, especially when you don't have a program that's rolling out a bunch of NBA players.
I like to think we could replace him with someone better that isn't an NBA caliber player.
I mean, he's basically getting Michael Orris minutes now, and no one cared when he left.
Someone has to sit on the bench, and unless you're talking about a premiere bball school, good players aren't going to do that. They'll go somewhere where they can play. You're not going to get someone much better than Nigel to sit on the bench and be a role player. If you want to make the argument that we should be recruiting better starters, then I would agree with that.
Most players don't sit on the bench for 4 years, anywhere. Tay was an exception, not the rule.
And if we can't find someone in 2015 better than Nigel that would have the opportunity to start for 2 years, we are utterly mumped.
It is easier to convince a talented kid to come play limited minutes for one or two years, when the coach has promised them that they're next up. So, kind of an apples and oranges comparison you're making there. It's still good to have a competent player on the bench that can play a couple of different positions in a pinch though. You can either Frank that guy and burn through a bunch of guys like Myles, @95, and Gilbert...or you can try to convince a guy like Nigel to stay for four years and continue to try to recruit above him. I'm just not sure you will have a bunch of success recruiting over a guy like that, unless the starter's departure is fairly imminent.i
I think you should look at sys's last post more closely.
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Sys' post is irrelevant to your point. If he wants to go, then he should go. We shouldn't be pushing him out the door though.
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if oscar can't recruit over nigel .... :frown:
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Sys' post is irrelevant to your point. If he wants to go, then he should go. We shouldn't be pushing him out the door though.
Yeah, that's all I'm saying too. If
The kid was going to GW and we came and got him. I'm sure a big part of it was because we had Jevon sitting out the first semester. Of course this is what he heard coming in...
"They basically were telling me I could come in right away and play heavy minutes and have a great impact and make a big difference."
So its possible he's pissed and he'll go closer to home to some mid major school like he originally planned.
Of course, oscar needs to recruit over him, but I also contend that programs need guys like him as back ups and at places like K-State, these are generally the types of back-ups you have and I don't have a problem with it.
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I never thought Tay was very good either. :dunno:
He developed into a nice guard to bring off the bench his JR and SR seasons. I think its nice to have guys like that, especially when you don't have a program that's rolling out a bunch of NBA players.
Tay played 19 and 21 mpg as a JR and SR. He also a solid defender who developed into an above average 3PT shooter. We don't win the league last year without him.
I'm not sure this is a good comp for Nigel tho because their body types and skill sets are very different as freshman. Nigel is way ahead offensively and way behind defensively from where Tay was as a freshman.
However, they could have similar roles at the end of their careers. I hope Nigel accepts his role as the backup guard and sticks around.
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:cry:
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