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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: KITNfury on October 26, 2013, 02:56:59 PM
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You mean FYBS
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So rough ridin' pointless. His scholly is as useful as tates is
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DJamer wally says he's a better qb than Nick Marshall, tho.
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I missed all but the last 6 min of the half. Someone please tell me Sams is hurt so
There's an excuse for the reason all I saw was Waters sucking ass.
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Credit where due. He's played a nice 2nd half. So has Sams.
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Waters says in your face. Haters.
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Waters has been pretty solid this half.
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Credit where due. He's played a nice 2nd half. So has Sams.
Yes Jake has played a lot better, he looks like he has a little confidence. The coaches need to dial up long passes for Lockett & Thompson when Jake is in there.
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He had a good half. He has moved up from a soggy crap sandwich to just a crap sandwich.
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Credit where due. He's played a nice 2nd half. So has Sams.
Yes Jake has played a lot better, he looks like he has a little confidence. The coaches need to dial up long passes for Lockett & Thompson when Jake is in there.
Jake = big plays
So exciting to see long passes!
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Jakey Football strikes..... er... for the 1st time!! :dunno:
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Pulled the trigger too soon on this thread...:dunno:
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very nice second half. still mad about his first half but he looked really good in the second.
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He was horrible in the first, but came to play in the 2nd. Sams was fine in the 2nd himself, but Waters made really nice throws. Of course Lockett made some really nice catches, but I'm not ready to go the route that Lockett made all those plays on his own, Waters was good. And he had his best rushing day as well.
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I don't get giving Waters every third and long opportunity in the 2nd even though Sams was perfect passing, but it worked, so oh well.
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I don't get giving Waters every third and long opportunity in the 2nd even though Sams was perfect passing, but it worked, so oh well.
I really like Sams, but you have seen him throw down the field this year, correct?
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Bringing waters in on the 3rd and 8 only to have him scramble for 12 yards and pick up the 1st was pretty awesome :Woot:
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Pulled the trigger too soon on this thread...:dunno:
I modified the title as necessary as the game went along.
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Waters says in your face. Haters.
The more he does that the more happier we will all be
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Waters says in your face. Haters.
The more he does that the more happier we will all be
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgQNQEuVKMo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgQNQEuVKMo)
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I made sure to tell Jake how well he played when I saw him at rustys last night.
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I made sure to tell Jake how well he played when I saw him at rustys last night.
if I was Jake I would have beat you to the punch and told you how well I played.
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I made sure to tell Jake how well he played when I saw him at rustys last night.
if I was Jake I would have beat you to the punch and told you how well I played.
there was no beating dlew in his mission to compliment jake on his play. dlew was so effusive that he felt the need to track him down in the parking lot behind rusty's and remind him that his fumble broke his heart so that jake would know he was being honest with him.
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This game was encouraging because both QB's, for the most part, played very well against a marginal opponent. And the back half of our schedule is full of marginal opponents.
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i thought it was nice of the coaches to finally start letting the fans call the plays.
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This game was encouraging because both QB's, for the most part, played very well against a marginal opponent. And the back half of our schedule is full of marginal opponents.
its 60% full of marginal opponents
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We have the fighting flood ags to build up some confidence. :thumbs:
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I just hope this isn't a game that hurts us in the long run. Collin Klein threw for about 300 yards against these guys last year. Sams was a perfect 8/8, and Waters looked great, but we still need to run the ball if we want to have a chance at beating halfway decent teams.
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I just hope this isn't a game that hurts us in the long run. Collin Klein threw for about 300 yards against these guys last year. Sams was a perfect 8/8, and Waters looked great, but we still need to run the ball if we want to have a chance at beating halfway decent teams.
Completely different season, I think it's a stretch to make that comparison.
Also, I think getting Stiverson back will be really good in the long run, but I'm sure working him back in yesterday helped create some of the issues just because he hasn't played all year.
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So what we found out is we need to let Jake fling the ball down field to TT and TL often. Then mix in some Hubert after the defense is spread out. Tell Jake that when he gets within 5 yards of a defender it is two hands on the ball?
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I just hope this isn't a game that hurts us in the long run. Collin Klein threw for about 300 yards against these guys last year. Sams was a perfect 8/8, and Waters looked great, but we still need to run the ball if we want to have a chance at beating halfway decent teams.
We had 43 rushes and 21 passes on Saturday so it's not like we abandoned our usual offense. Waters and Hubert had 29 carries for 141 yards - a pretty solid day for both of them.
WVU has a below average defense that is only good enough to stop one thing. Their coaches probably went into the game thinking that they wouldn't lose because Sams rushed for 200+ yards.
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So what we found out is we need to let Jake fling the ball down field to TT and TL often. Then mix in some Hubert after the defense is spread out. Tell Jake that when he gets within 5 yards of a defender it is two hands on the ball?
This is exactly what I meant by this game potentially hurting us in the long run. WVU is not good against the pass, so we really shouldn't be taking this game as evidence that those deep balls are going to be open against everybody else. I think we should continue to have that as an option and go to that well a few times per game, but against teams like OU, if the ground game is working, I wouldn't stray from it.
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So what we found out is we need to let Jake fling the ball down field to TT and TL often. Then mix in some Hubert after the defense is spread out. Tell Jake that when he gets within 5 yards of a defender it is two hands on the ball?
This is exactly what I meant by this game potentially hurting us in the long run. WVU is not good against the pass, so we really shouldn't be taking this game as evidence that those deep balls are going to be open against everybody else. I think we should continue to have that as an option and go to that well a few times per game, but against teams like OU, if the ground game is working, I wouldn't stray from it.
When you play a bad pass defense why wouldn't you exploit it by passing the ball?
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So what we found out is we need to let Jake fling the ball down field to TT and TL often. Then mix in some Hubert after the defense is spread out. Tell Jake that when he gets within 5 yards of a defender it is two hands on the ball?
This is exactly what I meant by this game potentially hurting us in the long run. WVU is not good against the pass, so we really shouldn't be taking this game as evidence that those deep balls are going to be open against everybody else. I think we should continue to have that as an option and go to that well a few times per game, but against teams like OU, if the ground game is working, I wouldn't stray from it.
When you play a bad pass defense why wouldn't you exploit it by passing the ball?
You would and we did. I just hope we don't start believing that passing the ball is one of our strengths in future games when it really has not been in most of our games.
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You would and we did. I just hope we don't start believing that passing the ball is one of our strengths in future games when it really has not been in most of our games.
I think our passing game is getting better. We actually have the 2nd best passing game rating in the league, complete 66% of our throws, and average over 9 yards per attempt. The key is cleaning up the silly INTs, I think Waters is doing that and I think Sams will. IMHO our numbers are solid enough through 7 games to not just think its a fluke.
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Mistakes haven't really been discussed enough this year imo. It has been remarkable how many stupid mistakes we make between Rooks on the line and all the damn interceptions and fumbles. I don't believe I have seen such a large quantity of drive killing(for us) penatiesby Bill's teams before(excludes delay of game because that is just how bill rolls.).
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Mistakes haven't really been discussed enough this year imo. It has been remarkable how many stupid mistakes we make between Rooks on the line and all the damn interceptions and fumbles. I don't believe I have seen such a large quantity of drive killing(for us) penatiesby Bill's teams before(excludes delay of game because that is just how bill rolls.).
Yeah. If at all possible, I would like to avoid passing the ball just because we have been so bad at protecting the football. Also, Gronk needs to get better or just sit the rest of this year out. We could just use Hubert as the lead blocker when Sams is in the game. He's a better blocker than Gronk, is a much better threat to actually run the ball, and he doesn't jump offsides. A FB should never jump offsides. It's ridiculous.
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I like how people use the WVU game to argue that Waters should have played more in the OSU/BU games when all of his big plays involved guys who weren't available for OSU/BU. I'm not saying he deserves no credit for those plays, I'm saying Curry Sexton and Kyle Klein trying to make those plays would be nightmarish.
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Yeah, the Gronk sucking point cannot be overstated.
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Yeah, the Gronk sucking point cannot be overstated.
he's a rough ridin' redshirt freshman. he'll get better. shut up.
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Yeah, the Gronk sucking point cannot be overstated.
he's a rough ridin' redshirt freshman. he'll get better. shut up.
That is fine, but do we not have someone else that could split time with him that is better for long yardage down blocking or something? I am fine with getting youth experience, but playing him that much seems extreme given his struggles.
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Yeah, the Gronk sucking point cannot be overstated.
he's a rough ridin' redshirt freshman. he'll get better. shut up.
He can get better in practice.
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I like how people use the WVU game to argue that Waters should have played more in the OSU/BU games when all of his big plays involved guys who weren't available for OSU/BU. I'm not saying he deserves no credit for those plays, I'm saying Curry Sexton and Kyle Klein trying to make those plays would be nightmarish.
Again, we (and almost every program) have dumb fans.
Waters clearly has a nice connection with Lockett; Lockett talked after the game about how he and Waters often stay after practice and work on routes together. If Lockett (and Thompson) are healthy, it makes sense to play Waters more. And when Sams is struggling to run the ball, that's even more the case.
However, a big part of me still wishes that Snyder would just pick one and play him, I think the lack of rhythm the offense has at times is in large part due to the QB rotation.
Yeah, the Gronk sucking point cannot be overstated.
he's a rough ridin' redshirt freshman. he'll get better. shut up.
That is fine, but do we not have someone else that could split time with him that is better for long yardage down blocking or something? I am fine with getting youth experience, but playing him that much seems extreme given his struggles.
I'm really surprised Nemechek hasn't played more.
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I think that teams are going to continue to have the ability to shut down Sams' run game as long as Snyder continues to use the 2 QB system. It's fine when it works, but at some point, we are going to have to find a way to take advantage of defenses loading the box against Sams.
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I think that teams are going to continue to have the ability to shut down Sams' run game as long as Snyder continues to use the 2 QB system. It's fine when it works, but at some point, we are going to have to find a way to take advantage of defenses loading the box against Sams.
He's got to complete some down the field throws to Lockett and/or Thompson.
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On the 1st TD that Waters threw to Lockett, I didn't see that Waters had entered the game* and was all "What a throw, Sams!" Then I saw it was Waters and wasn't as happy, but it was a great throw.
*I was watching at a bar with some friends. . . I hate watching games at bars with friends because it's hard to pay attention to the game. Anyone else have this problem?
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I think that teams are going to continue to have the ability to shut down Sams' run game as long as Snyder continues to use the 2 QB system. It's fine when it works, but at some point, we are going to have to find a way to take advantage of defenses loading the box against Sams.
It seems like we could revert to a lot of last year's play calling and do fine? :dunno:
I think that teams are going to continue to have the ability to shut down Sams' run game as long as Snyder continues to use the 2 QB system. It's fine when it works, but at some point, we are going to have to find a way to take advantage of defenses loading the box against Sams.
He's got to complete some down the field throws to Lockett and/or Thompson.
Yeah, but they don't have to be 40yrd bombs. I mean, Bill could set up some mid distance stuff and accomplish the same relief.
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I think that teams are going to continue to have the ability to shut down Sams' run game as long as Snyder continues to use the 2 QB system. It's fine when it works, but at some point, we are going to have to find a way to take advantage of defenses loading the box against Sams.
He's got to complete some down the field throws to Lockett and/or Thompson.
Agreed. I think if Sams does what he does well, he will get the occasional wide open deep ball. Anything resembling coverage on those, he should avoid like the plague. He's clearly tried to force it too much so far.
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the only way things are going to click for Gronk is with experience. he has the most upside. leave him in. let him grow.
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I like how people use the WVU game to argue that Waters should have played more in the OSU/BU games when all of his big plays involved guys who weren't available for OSU/BU. I'm not saying he deserves no credit for those plays, I'm saying Curry Sexton and Kyle Klein trying to make those plays would be nightmarish.
WTF do you have against Curry Sexton. The kid had the most receiving yards in the game. By the way, he was a "walk on" true freshman last year. He played well enought to have his red shirt pulled. So again what the eff do you have against
Sexton; is because he's white and that's not cool on this board to like the way a he plays. :facepalm:
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I like how people use the WVU game to argue that Waters should have played more in the OSU/BU games when all of his big plays involved guys who weren't available for OSU/BU. I'm not saying he deserves no credit for those plays, I'm saying Curry Sexton and Kyle Klein trying to make those plays would be nightmarish.
WTF do you have against Curry Sexton. The kid had the most receiving yards in the game. By the way, he was a "walk on" true freshman last year. He played well enought to have his red shirt pulled. So again what the eff do you have against
Sexton; is because he's white and that's not cool on this board to like the way a he plays. :facepalm:
Katdaddy post
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Yeah, but they don't have to be 40yrd bombs. I mean, Bill could set up some mid distance stuff and accomplish the same relief.
IMHO at some point he's got to complete a vertical throw, not just an intermediate route with a nice YAC.
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I like how people use the WVU game to argue that Waters should have played more in the OSU/BU games when all of his big plays involved guys who weren't available for OSU/BU. I'm not saying he deserves no credit for those plays, I'm saying Curry Sexton and Kyle Klein trying to make those plays would be nightmarish.
WTF do you have against Curry Sexton. The kid had the most receiving yards in the game. By the way, he was a "walk on" true freshman last year. He played well enought to have his red shirt pulled. So again what the eff do you have against
Sexton; is because he's white and that's not cool on this board to like the way a he plays. :facepalm:
Katdaddy post
Idiot response.
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I like how people use the WVU game to argue that Waters should have played more in the OSU/BU games when all of his big plays involved guys who weren't available for OSU/BU. I'm not saying he deserves no credit for those plays, I'm saying Curry Sexton and Kyle Klein trying to make those plays would be nightmarish.
WTF do you have against Curry Sexton. The kid had the most receiving yards in the game. By the way, he was a "walk on" true freshman last year. He played well enought to have his red shirt pulled. So again what the eff do you have against
Sexton; is because he's white and that's not cool on this board to like the way a he plays. :facepalm:
I don't think he was trying to say Sexton (or Klein) were bad players, but neither are vertical threats in the passing game like Lockett and Thompson. Clearly those 2 are K-State's only true vertical threats this year, that doesn't make the players who aren't bad receivers. Sexton is clearly our 3rd best receiver, he just has a different role.
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I'm ok sticking waters in on every 3rd and 10+. If it's an obvious passing down, i don't have an issue putting in the better passer (if he is the better passer, which i think he is).
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I don't get giving Waters every third and long opportunity in the 2nd even though Sams was perfect passing, but it worked, so oh well.
I really like Sams, but you have seen him throw down the field this year, correct?
Help me with this, because I feel like I'm losing my mind. Or maybe I am experiencing revisionist history when Sams throws it.
When have we seen him throw it down field? He had two terrible throws in the pocket against OSU. Waters has equally as embarrassing throws.
The INT at the end of the game against Baylor was ill advised considering down and time on the clock, but he was flushed from the pocket and throwing on the run and put a 50/50 ball up to his 6' 5" 240+ TE to make a play on between a DB.
But other than that what have we seen that makes him so terrible that we don't even think about giving him the chance to throw it vertical? Or is it just a combination of well-the-coach's-are-the-ones-at-practice-and-see-him-throw-it-every-day-type situation?
I was at the spring game and I watch him in warm ups, the arm is there to throw 25 yard post routes to TT or TLBL especially if there is no one over the top because the other safety is at the LOS.
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I'm ok sticking waters in on every 3rd and 10+. If it's an obvious passing down, i don't have an issue putting in the better passer (if he is the better passer, which i think he is).
There was a time when this is certain, I think we've passed that time. That said, he's not a bad passer.
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I like how people use the WVU game to argue that Waters should have played more in the OSU/BU games when all of his big plays involved guys who weren't available for OSU/BU. I'm not saying he deserves no credit for those plays, I'm saying Curry Sexton and Kyle Klein trying to make those plays would be nightmarish.
WTF do you have against Curry Sexton. The kid had the most receiving yards in the game. By the way, he was a "walk on" true freshman last year. He played well enought to have his red shirt pulled. So again what the eff do you have against
Sexton; is because he's white and that's not cool on this board to like the way a he plays. :facepalm:
I don't think he was trying to say Sexton (or Klein) were bad players, but neither are vertical threats in the passing game like Lockett and Thompson. Clearly those 2 are K-State's only true vertical threats this year, that doesn't make the players who aren't bad receivers. Sexton is clearly our 3rd best receiver, he just has a different role.
I agree completely. It just that some people will make like any player that isn't as talented as Lockett or TT out to be a handicap to the team. I think it's too early for Sexton to be judged as inferior.
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does waters always spin the ball in his hands after taking a snap? i'm pretty sure he was doing this during the 4th quarter. i doubt the coaches like it, but it gave me the impression that he was very confident out there. i hadn't noticed it before.
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I'm ok sticking waters in on every 3rd and 10+. If it's an obvious passing down, i don't have an issue putting in the better passer (if he is the better passer, which i think he is).
There was a time when this is certain, I think we've passed that time. That said, he's not a bad passer.
Yeah, it's not certain, but I still think he's a better passer. And the coaches seem to also.
If he's the better passer, then I'm OK sticking him in during downs where it's obvious we're going to pass it anyway.
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I like how people use the WVU game to argue that Waters should have played more in the OSU/BU games when all of his big plays involved guys who weren't available for OSU/BU. I'm not saying he deserves no credit for those plays, I'm saying Curry Sexton and Kyle Klein trying to make those plays would be nightmarish.
WTF do you have against Curry Sexton. The kid had the most receiving yards in the game. By the way, he was a "walk on" true freshman last year. He played well enought to have his red shirt pulled. So again what the eff do you have against
Sexton; is because he's white and that's not cool on this board to like the way a he plays. :facepalm:
I don't think he was trying to say Sexton (or Klein) were bad players, but neither are vertical threats in the passing game like Lockett and Thompson. Clearly those 2 are K-State's only true vertical threats this year, that doesn't make the players who aren't bad receivers. Sexton is clearly our 3rd best receiver, he just has a different role.
I agree completely. It just that some people will make like any player that isn't as talented as Lockett or TT out to be a handicap to the team. I think it's too early for Sexton to be judged as inferior.
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does waters always spin the ball in his hands after taking a snap? i'm pretty sure he was doing this during the 4th quarter. i doubt the coaches like it, but it gave me the impression that he was very confident out there. i hadn't noticed it before.
Maybe that's his version of stotting.
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I'm ok sticking waters in on every 3rd and 10+. If it's an obvious passing down, i don't have an issue putting in the better passer (if he is the better passer, which i think he is).
There was a time when this is certain, I think we've passed that time. That said, he's not a bad passer.
Yeah, it's not certain, but I still think he's a better passer. And the coaches seem to also.
If he's the better passer, then I'm OK sticking him in during downs where it's obvious we're going to pass it anyway.
Did anyone notice Waters had more time to pass in this game. Those extra 2 to 3 seconds makes a world of difference.
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I think Sams is just as good within 15 yards. The deeper ball is the big difference between the two.
If the 3rd down distance is longer than Sams would likely scramble for, I am OK with Waters taking the snap. 3rd and 8ish is where I think they would be about equally effective with Waters for longer and Sams for shorter.
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I'm ok sticking waters in on every 3rd and 10+. If it's an obvious passing down, i don't have an issue putting in the better passer (if he is the better passer, which i think he is).
There was a time when this is certain, I think we've passed that time. That said, he's not a bad passer.
Yeah, it's not certain, but I still think he's a better passer. And the coaches seem to also.
If he's the better passer, then I'm OK sticking him in during downs where it's obvious we're going to pass it anyway.
Did anyone notice Waters had more time to pass in this game. Those extra 2 to 3 seconds makes a world of difference.
Sams is not going to have much time as long as the defense is crashing to stop the draw. He will always have wide open receivers, though. He just has to find them.
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I'm ok sticking waters in on every 3rd and 10+. If it's an obvious passing down, i don't have an issue putting in the better passer (if he is the better passer, which i think he is).
There was a time when this is certain, I think we've passed that time. That said, he's not a bad passer.
Yeah, it's not certain, but I still think he's a better passer. And the coaches seem to also.
If he's the better passer, then I'm OK sticking him in during downs where it's obvious we're going to pass it anyway.
Did anyone notice Waters had more time to pass in this game. Those extra 2 to 3 seconds makes a world of difference.
Sams is not going to have much time as long as the defense is crashing to stop the draw. He will always have wide open receivers, though. He just has to find them.
Waters didn't have as much time (4 to 6 sec) in the previous games. The line is giving him a pocket to pass out of. Also the way they stack the box on Sams, his time to throw the ball is very short (2 to 4 sec).