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Title: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: pissclams on October 07, 2013, 12:49:38 PM
was just thinking about how much was made last season of the 16 goals.  so then i wondered- did coach snyder not have the guys recite the goals this offseason?  and if he did, why aren't they leading to more wins this season?   :confused:

but then i did a little more digging.  investigations are one of my specialty areas.  specifically i did a deep dive into goal #4 Improve.  why haven't the goals improved?  is 16 some magic number that a goal list should strive to achieve?  no.  seems like snyder is just a bit of a hypocrite when it comes to the goals b/c why wouldn't we keep trying to make the goals better and improve them, instead of just rolling 16 of them out there and calling it a day?

maybe the goals just don't apply to the goals.  smh, the whole thing just seems like a big sham.  if this season doesn't turn around quickly, i think it's time to throw the current 16 into the dumpster and start fresh.  i'm not sure what's missing from the current set of goals but obviously something is.

go AMERICA, go CATS, USA #viral #1Cat @NBCTheVoice
Title: Re: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: Winters on October 07, 2013, 12:52:02 PM
that's quite the conspiracy but you have my attention


EDIT: Yes, MGMW
Title: Re: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: bubbles4ksu on October 07, 2013, 12:53:04 PM
every monday the team should sit down and set 16 new goals.
Title: Re: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: pissclams on October 07, 2013, 12:54:55 PM
every monday the team should sit down and set 16 new goals.

only if we lose the week before.
Title: Re: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: Brock Landers on October 07, 2013, 12:58:09 PM
16 Goals is too many to keep up with IMO. Probably should have fewer goals and keep it simple.
Title: Re: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: CNS on October 07, 2013, 01:04:41 PM
16 is too many.  Gotta think that some are redundant. 

Three goals is about all anyone needs:
1. Win
2. Boss crap up constantly
3. Be adorable when executing #1 and #2
Title: Re: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: Pete on October 07, 2013, 01:16:29 PM
Clams nailed it (again).

I think they should focus more on heart health (one of America's leading killers).  Less red meat should be in there.  Fish oil too.
Title: Re: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: lopakman on October 07, 2013, 01:17:59 PM
Rule number one should be "Play your best quarterback all game every game."
Title: Re: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: Pete on October 07, 2013, 01:19:06 PM
What about a letter based system instead of numbers for the goals?
Title: Re: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: bubbles4ksu on October 07, 2013, 01:19:57 PM
i shouldn't have to say this, but i don't think the players should be drinking alcohol during the season.
Title: Re: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: Pete on October 07, 2013, 01:21:18 PM
i shouldn't have to say this, but i don't think the players should be drinking alcohol during the season.

I read once that you should set goals that are attainable. How about more than 5 beers on a school night?
Title: Re: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: kso_FAN on October 07, 2013, 01:22:03 PM
Forget
About
Me
I
Love
You
Title: Re: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: bubbles4ksu on October 07, 2013, 01:26:23 PM
i shouldn't have to say this, but i don't think the players should be drinking alcohol during the season.

I read once that you should set goals that are attainable. How about more than 5 beers on a school night?

good point there. wine is the heart-healthy choice. how about two glasses of wine on school nights for the "of age" student-athletes?
Title: Re: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: Pete on October 07, 2013, 01:27:02 PM
You know what is another great goal?  To take on a new hobby.  Waters seems like he would enjoy collecting and painting civil war figurines.

Hubert has stamps written all over him.   The other Klein would probably just chose yet another instrument.
Title: Re: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: michigancat on October 07, 2013, 01:30:20 PM
If 16 goals are good wouldn't 32 be even better?
Title: Re: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on October 07, 2013, 01:32:38 PM
16 Goals is too many to keep up with IMO. Probably should have fewer goals and keep it simple.
The redundancy is a concern. Probably cutting back to 8 goals would be good. Addition by subtraction. The sum is less than the whole of it's parts and such.
Title: Re: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 07, 2013, 01:32:51 PM
A goal a day keeps the losses away!
Title: Re: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: lopakman on October 07, 2013, 01:37:38 PM
If 16 goals are good wouldn't 32 be even better?

No because Snyder would never be able to remember that many.
Title: Re: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: CNS on October 07, 2013, 01:39:42 PM
If 16 goals are good wouldn't 32 be even better?

No because Snyder would never be able to remember that many.

Yeah, we are seeing this already with 16.
Title: Re: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: XocolateThundarr on October 07, 2013, 01:39:43 PM
Needs more acronyms.
Title: Re: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: Brock Landers on October 07, 2013, 01:51:25 PM
If 16 goals are good wouldn't 32 be even better?


Having 32 (or any higher number of) goals only dilutes the importance of each goal, or you might say Waters them down. 
Title: Re: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: kso_FAN on October 07, 2013, 01:53:23 PM
Get a little more intrinsic every day.
Title: Re: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: CNS on October 07, 2013, 01:54:46 PM
#17 should have something to do with playing against Greg Robinson coached defenses. 

Glaring.
Title: Re: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: yoEMAW on October 07, 2013, 02:06:32 PM
Whenever I reach a goal, I cross that one off my list and set a new, higher goal. If you aren't achieving your goals, then you just aren't being realistic imo. Adding more unatainable goals isn't going to help you either.

Now, if we're talking adding some easily attainable goals to boost confidence and moral...That, I might be able to get on board with. #babysteps
Title: Re: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: MadCat on October 07, 2013, 02:08:52 PM
1 Rule: Be Awesome
--eff the rest--
Title: Re: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: bubbles4ksu on October 07, 2013, 02:16:00 PM
the people arguing for fewer goals can eff right off. maybe luther should have settled for 7 or 8 theses, huh fellas? GMAFB.

#teammoregoals
Title: Re: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: pissclams on October 07, 2013, 02:18:19 PM

Whenever I reach a goal, I cross that one off my list and set a new, higher goal. If you aren't achieving your goals, then you just aren't being realistic imo. Adding more unatainable goals isn't going to help you either.

Now, if we're talking adding some easily attainable goals to boost confidence and moral...That, I might be able to get on board with. #babysteps
thing is that a new goal could make achieving the other goals easier
Title: Re: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 07, 2013, 02:20:24 PM
I think we should have 85 goals, one for each scholarship athlete. Technically, we should have 86 goals. The goal for all walk ons should be to earn a scholarship.
Title: Re: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: yoEMAW on October 07, 2013, 02:24:15 PM

Whenever I reach a goal, I cross that one off my list and set a new, higher goal. If you aren't achieving your goals, then you just aren't being realistic imo. Adding more unatainable goals isn't going to help you either.

Now, if we're talking adding some easily attainable goals to boost confidence and moral...That, I might be able to get on board with. #babysteps
thing is that a new goal could make achieving the other goals easier

I'm not gonna lie, you blew my mind right there 'clams. Gonna ponder this for a bit.  :eek:
Title: Re: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: Pete on October 07, 2013, 02:36:56 PM
I think we should have 85 goals, one for each scholarship athlete. Technically, we should have 86 goals. The goal for all walk ons should be to earn a scholarship.

Everyone should be forced to memorize everyone else's goal.  If you are a walk-on, you have to pass a test where you have to name every other player's goal correctly, before you earn that scholarship.  That's the 86th goal.
Title: Re: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: MadCat on October 07, 2013, 02:37:14 PM

Whenever I reach a goal, I cross that one off my list and set a new, higher goal. If you aren't achieving your goals, then you just aren't being realistic imo. Adding more unatainable goals isn't going to help you either.

Now, if we're talking adding some easily attainable goals to boost confidence and moral...That, I might be able to get on board with. #babysteps
thing is that a new goal could make achieving the other goals easier

I'm not gonna lie, you blew my mind right there 'clams. Gonna ponder this for a bit.  :eek:

Goal 19: Run faster knowing that your shoes won't fly off. 
--See goal 38--
..
Goal 38: Tie your shoes a little tighter and use a granny knot.
--We'll cut your laces off after the game--
Title: Re: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: Pete on October 07, 2013, 02:39:27 PM
Guys should quiz each other on other guys' goals all the time.

Like you are walking across campus and you see Zimmerman and you just yell "Josh Hubner" and he yells back at you "Get a B+ in Algebra" (which is obviously Hubner's goal), for example.
Title: Re: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 07, 2013, 02:42:04 PM
Players should have to sit down and write a handwritten letter to Bill every Sunday explaining just what they have been doing over the past 7 days to help each of their teammates reach their goal and what they need to do to get better. These papers should be 20 pages minimum, but the expectation should be more like 25 pages.
Title: Re: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: Pete on October 07, 2013, 02:42:54 PM
TLBL:  "BJ Finney!"

Daniel Sams: (rolling his eyes) "Try every kind of wing sauce at BW3."
Title: Re: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: kso_FAN on October 07, 2013, 02:43:00 PM
Seems like a lot of you guys don't understand extrinsic vs intrinsic motivation. Extrinsic values are for the weak.
Title: Re: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: yoEMAW on October 07, 2013, 03:19:30 PM
Seems like a lot of you guys don't understand extrinsic vs intrinsic motivation. Extrinsic values are for the weak.

With wins/trophies being like THE ultimate extrinsic goal, I'm not sure where you're going with this. Unless...you're saying that if we work towards all these intrinsic goals then the extrinsic ones will take care of themselves. Is that what you're saying hciw_FAN? It's like we got so caught up in #Titletown, that we all forgot what we did to get here in the first place... This is gonna be hard isn't it?  :frown:
Title: Re: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: Cartierfor3 on October 07, 2013, 03:48:41 PM
What if we used the 16 goals on giant poster board things as a way to call plays? You know how like Oregon will hold up a picture of Woody Woodpecker and it means "run play for a touchdown" and then they execute the play? We could do that. Have the neek in charge of holding up the signs.

This would serve two purposes: 1. Continue to emphasize the goals, even during games. 2. Help the Cats win*






*Probably wouldn't help us win FWIW
Title: Re: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: Cartierfor3 on October 07, 2013, 03:49:44 PM
The band should design formations that spell out the goals word for word for a halftime show.
Title: Re: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: Cartierfor3 on October 07, 2013, 03:50:58 PM
We should quit calling touchdowns touchdowns and call them GOALS

 :lynchmob:
Title: Re: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: Trogdor on October 07, 2013, 03:53:03 PM
What if we used the 16 goals on giant poster board things as a way to call plays? You know how like Oregon will hold up a picture of Woody Woodpecker and it means "run play for a touchdown" and then they execute the play? We could do that. Have the neek in charge of holding up the signs.

This would serve two purposes: 1. Continue to emphasize the goals, even during games. 2. Help the Cats win*






*Probably wouldn't help us win FWIW

What if all we do is run 16 plays off of 1 board. Whoever is taking the snap can read it like the dollar menu at Mcdonalds
Title: Re: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: Cartierfor3 on October 07, 2013, 03:54:42 PM
Quote from: Wyatt Thompson
Sams in the shotgun, rolling to the right, THROWS DOWNFIELD TO LOCKETT! He's at the 15, 10, 5..................


WILDCAT GOAL!!!!!!!!!

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: Cartierfor3 on October 07, 2013, 03:55:56 PM
What if we used the 16 goals on giant poster board things as a way to call plays? You know how like Oregon will hold up a picture of Woody Woodpecker and it means "run play for a touchdown" and then they execute the play? We could do that. Have the neek in charge of holding up the signs.

This would serve two purposes: 1. Continue to emphasize the goals, even during games. 2. Help the Cats win*






*Probably wouldn't help us win FWIW

What if all we do is run 16 plays off of 1 board. Whoever is taking the snap can read it like the dollar menu at Mcdonalds

16 plays is perfect. I only needed like 8  to win a super bowl, a TECMO super bowl that is.
Title: Re: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: catzacker on October 07, 2013, 03:56:03 PM
Guys should quiz each other on other guys' goals all the time.

Like you are walking across campus and you see Zimmerman and you just yell "Josh Hubner" and he yells back at you "Get a B+ in Algebra" (which is obviously Hubner's goal), for example.

I like this idea, but let me tweak it a little.  When you see a teammate doing something wrong you ask him to “Pick a Goal”. 

For example, Jake is throwing a tantrum on the sidelines at the OSU game after coming in to the game and immediately fumbling, Sams comes up to him and says “Pick a Goal”.  Jake responds “Eliminate Mistakes”. 

Or another example, the team says to Bill, “Pick a Goal” and Bill says “Leadership”.
Title: Re: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: Tobias on October 07, 2013, 04:04:22 PM
We should quit calling touchdowns touchdowns and call them GOALS

 :lynchmob:

WILDCAT DEFENSE HOLDS THE OPPOSING OFFENSE TO NIL  :lynchmob:
Title: Re: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: MadCat on October 07, 2013, 04:16:45 PM
LOVE - 49
Title: Re: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: Pett on October 07, 2013, 04:38:43 PM
Goal #17, in the face of defeat write a hand written letter congratulating your opponent
Title: Re: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on October 07, 2013, 05:13:50 PM
the 16 goals are painted in the middle of the new west side, correct? maybe we dont add a goal or two because the paint has already dried on the first 16? maybe we should have done one of those scrolling boards with the goals on them so they could get updated every time we add or change a goal?

like this:

(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs.eeweb.com%2Fmembers%2Fcircuit_projects%2Fblog%2F2012%2F01%2F13%2FLED-matrix-display-with-scrolling-text-effect-1326484086.jpg&hash=afea3133fc80b5df2972270537028255aa314b09)

idk. maybe we ran out of money. just trying to #4 improve here.
Title: Re: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: CNS on October 07, 2013, 06:12:01 PM
Guys should quiz each other on other guys' goals all the time.

Like you are walking across campus and you see Zimmerman and you just yell "Josh Hubner" and he yells back at you "Get a B+ in Algebra" (which is obviously Hubner's goal), for example.

I like this idea, but let me tweak it a little.  When you see a teammate doing something wrong you ask him to “Pick a Goal”. 

For example, Jake is throwing a tantrum on the sidelines at the OSU game after coming in to the game and immediately fumbling, Sams comes up to him and says “Pick a Goal”.  Jake responds “Eliminate Mistakes”. 

Or another example, the team says to Bill, “Pick a Goal” and Bill says “Leadership”.
  lol
Title: Re: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: W.Churchill on October 07, 2013, 07:18:32 PM
I'm not gonna lie....this thread is a perfect example of why I take the time to come on here. 
Title: Re: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: kso_FAN on October 07, 2013, 07:33:00 PM
Seems like a lot of you guys don't understand extrinsic vs intrinsic motivation. Extrinsic values are for the weak.

With wins/trophies being like THE ultimate extrinsic goal, I'm not sure where you're going with this. Unless...you're saying that if we work towards all these intrinsic goals then the extrinsic ones will take care of themselves. Is that what you're saying hciw_FAN? It's like we got so caught up in #Titletown, that we all forgot what we did to get here in the first place... This is gonna be hard isn't it?  :frown:

You learn well; if you truly seek the intrinsic, then the extrinsic will take care of themselves. Its clear this team has some intrinsic problems that may take some time to work out, so yes it could be difficult.

But that's why you keep sawing wood, rowing the boat, and cheering on the Cats...
Title: Re: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: MadCat on October 07, 2013, 10:34:26 PM
Maybe we can take care of the intrinsic problems extrinsically.  :bitchslap:
Title: Re: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: puniraptor on October 08, 2013, 10:02:49 AM
it makes me sad that "intrinsic values" is too many characters for nikeID
Title: Re: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: 'taterblast on June 28, 2021, 02:10:45 PM
it appears we are subtracting from 16 rather than adding

https://twitter.com/BrodyMcnew/status/1409559856441344006
Title: Re: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: Trim on June 28, 2021, 02:22:10 PM
It's not EMAW to only list toughness once.
Title: Re: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: MadCat on June 29, 2021, 12:37:07 AM
I think I can boil that down to one:
Selfless Discipline in our Commitment to Toughness
Title: Re: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: meow meow on June 29, 2021, 08:05:48 AM
i'll do you one better.... Selfcommittoughline
Title: Re: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: pissclams on June 29, 2021, 03:39:25 PM
heck of a bump, 'tater

Title: Re: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: _33 on June 30, 2021, 11:53:18 AM
Why these coaches don't just boil it down to one goal, Never Ever Lose, and rake in the championships is beyond me.
Title: Re: would adding more goals to the 16 goals = more wins for the cats?
Post by: 'taterblast on June 30, 2021, 11:56:08 AM
 :D

https://www.tiktok.com/@shane_porter/video/6972546549238811909?lang=en&is_copy_url=0&is_from_webapp=v1&sender_device=pc&sender_web_id=6979612333090047494
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Post by: Katpappy on June 30, 2021, 09:22:16 PM
:D

https://www.tiktok.com/@shane_porter/video/6972546549238811909?lang=en&is_copy_url=0&is_from_webapp=v1&sender_device=pc&sender_web_id=6979612333090047494

Good thing they shortened it to 4 goals: there is no way these dumb shits could remember 16.  :lol: