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Title: +14
Post by: catzacker on September 30, 2013, 09:36:39 AM
seems about right for a line.  we might backdoor cover that if jake doesn't fumble at the 3 or something.

what will the line be for Baylor?  I'm guessing 19.5
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Post by: steve dave on September 30, 2013, 09:38:17 AM
 :frown:
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Post by: KITNfury on September 30, 2013, 09:41:12 AM
I hate be all Kim Carnes, but I kinda think the spread should be bigger.
Title: Re: +14
Post by: puniraptor on September 30, 2013, 09:42:02 AM
I dont know what to think after watching them lose like losers to losers.
Title: Re: +14
Post by: yoga-like_abana on September 30, 2013, 09:43:02 AM
I dont know what to think after watching them lose like losers to losers.
they are probably going to be super pissed
Title: Re: +14
Post by: puniraptor on September 30, 2013, 09:45:21 AM
if you asked me before saturday, I would have said they put 70 on us. Now I think we can get out of there giving up less than 50.
Title: Re: +14
Post by: pissclams on September 30, 2013, 09:46:36 AM
I dont know what to think after watching them lose like losers to losers.

legitimate concern.  snyder does a good job of teaching his teams how to win.  i'm worried that this team won't have that opportunity before it's too late. 
Title: Re: +14
Post by: KITNfury on September 30, 2013, 09:57:45 AM
I dont know what to think after watching them lose like losers to losers.
I remember UT looking like cripples on defense until they sniffed out all of our creative plays.
Title: Re: +14
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on September 30, 2013, 10:00:25 AM
I dont know what to think after watching them lose like losers to losers.
I remember UT looking like cripples on defense until they sniffed out all of our creative plays.

You're talking about short side speed options w/ Waters, correct?
Title: Re: +14
Post by: KITNfury on September 30, 2013, 10:02:00 AM
I dont know what to think after watching them lose like losers to losers.
I remember UT looking like cripples on defense until they sniffed out all of our creative plays.

You're talking about short side speed options w/ Waters, correct?
Some of that post may have been in jest, however, the fact that the UT defense was a wet sack of marshmallows until they played us was not.
Title: Re: +14
Post by: MadCat on September 30, 2013, 10:56:30 AM
Everyone gives the defending Big 12 champs their best shot. 
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Post by: kslim on September 30, 2013, 12:32:01 PM
we win
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Post by: deputy dawg on September 30, 2013, 02:38:33 PM
 :ohno:

Gundy is a man > 40.
Title: Re: +14
Post by: KITNfury on September 30, 2013, 04:35:09 PM
:ohno:

Gundy is a man > 40.
What is this in reference to?
Title: Re: +14
Post by: MixBerryCrunch on September 30, 2013, 05:15:31 PM
63-24 OSU...Unless we see a couple more redshirts burnt, Burns playing over Dorian, and a QB at least as effective as Coffman (I do not give a crap which one). In that case it will be 49-35, which is a little more respectable.
Title: Re: +14
Post by: cDubya on September 30, 2013, 05:38:49 PM
If WVU's defense can hold them to 21, you guys should at least be able to keep them under 40. Don't give the Mountaineers all the credit for that win.

Watch that game, SO much wrong with their offense.
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Post by: BostonPancake on September 30, 2013, 05:40:49 PM
If WVU's defense can hold them to 21, you guys should at least be able to keep them under 40. Don't give the Mountaineers all the credit for that win.

Watch that game, SO much wrong with their offense.

OSU will have most of what they did wrong worked out by this Saturday.  I have no doubts about that.
Title: Re: +14
Post by: Mr Bread on September 30, 2013, 05:47:08 PM
If WVU's defense can hold them to 21, you guys should at least be able to keep them under 40. Don't give the Mountaineers all the credit for that win.

Watch that game, SO much wrong with their offense.

cDubya is correct on this.  Gundy's offense is crap this year. 
Title: Re: +14
Post by: catzacker on September 30, 2013, 06:02:33 PM
If WVU's defense can hold them to 21, you guys should at least be able to keep them under 40. Don't give the Mountaineers all the credit for that win.

Watch that game, SO much wrong with their offense.

We have a turnover machine at QB who will give OSU's offense as many opportunities as it wants.
Title: Re: +14
Post by: kslim on September 30, 2013, 06:04:07 PM
All in
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Post by: cDubya on September 30, 2013, 06:19:13 PM
If WVU's defense can hold them to 21, you guys should at least be able to keep them under 40. Don't give the Mountaineers all the credit for that win.

Watch that game, SO much wrong with their offense.

OSU will have most of what they did wrong worked out by this Saturday.  I have no doubts about that.

Wide receivers who couldn't catch a perfect pass last week are not going to learn how in 6 days. Pressure in the box keeps Walsh(?) from running. Oh, and their special teams play was atrooooocious. If they don't have that fixed you can at least be excited about wonderful starting field position. Only 50 yards for Waters to screw it all up!
Title: Re: +14
Post by: cDubya on September 30, 2013, 06:24:01 PM
If WVU's defense can hold them to 21, you guys should at least be able to keep them under 40. Don't give the Mountaineers all the credit for that win.

Watch that game, SO much wrong with their offense.

OSU will have most of what they did wrong worked out by this Saturday.  I have no doubts about that.

Wide receivers who couldn't catch a perfect pass last week are not going to learn how in 6 days. Pressure in the box keeps Walsh(?) from running. Oh, and their special teams play was atrooooocious. If they don't have that fixed you can at least be excited about wonderful starting field position. Only 50 yards for Waters to screw it all up!
Title: Re: +14
Post by: Cartierfor3 on September 30, 2013, 06:24:56 PM
If WVU's defense can hold them to 21, you guys should at least be able to keep them under 40. Don't give the Mountaineers all the credit for that win.

Watch that game, SO much wrong with their offense.

They can score less than 40 and easily cover the +14. 38-20 'pokes
Title: Re: +14
Post by: cDubya on September 30, 2013, 06:27:54 PM
If WVU's defense can hold them to 21, you guys should at least be able to keep them under 40. Don't give the Mountaineers all the credit for that win.

Watch that game, SO much wrong with their offense.

They can score less than 40 and easily cover the +14. 38-20 'pokes

Hey, I never said they couldn't cover. Just saying you all COULD keep it respectable.
Title: Re: +14
Post by: pvegs on September 30, 2013, 06:29:01 PM
Based on what we've seen from our Cats thus far, 38-17 feels about right.
Title: Re: +14
Post by: Mr Bread on September 30, 2013, 06:46:41 PM
No way is this a blowout. 
Title: Re: +14
Post by: AndrewVonLintel on September 30, 2013, 07:38:12 PM
I am going to go with

K-State            37

O-crap State     31

I just feel like we might win the turnover battle for a change and not run Waters 18 times on a dumbass option play that (almost) never works.
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Post by: kim carnes on September 30, 2013, 07:40:53 PM
I am going to go with

K-State            37

O-crap State     31

I just feel like we might win the turnover battle for a change and not run Waters 18 times on a dumbass option play that (almost) never works.

why do you think we're going to win the turnover batter?  i mean, why on earth do you think that?
Title: Re: +14
Post by: TownieCat on September 30, 2013, 08:14:23 PM
I am going to go with

K-State            37

O-crap State     31

I just feel like we might win the turnover battle for a change and not run Waters 18 times on a dumbass option play that (almost) never works.

why do you think we're going to win the turnover batter?  i mean, why on earth do you think that?

That's the benefit of a bye week: You get to work on your own issues for a week without having to game plan for the opponent. I have confidence in our offense taking care of the ball for a change this weekend.
Title: Re: +14
Post by: Steffy08 on September 30, 2013, 08:38:19 PM
If you can find a money line pop it; better bet than the +14
Title: Re: +14
Post by: catzacker on September 30, 2013, 08:39:42 PM
So in 2 weeks we are going to fix the eff ups that we couldn't fix in 4 weeks of the season and like 3 weeks of practice in august? 
Title: Re: +14
Post by: CHONGS on September 30, 2013, 08:41:17 PM
So in 2 weeks we are going to fix the eff ups that we couldn't fix in 4 weeks of the season and like 3 weeks of practice in august?
Anything is possible if you believe in the power of love.

Anything
Title: Re: +14
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 30, 2013, 08:42:11 PM
I believe in the cats this week. :Carl:
Title: Re: +14
Post by: CHONGS on September 30, 2013, 08:43:03 PM
I believe in the cats this week. :Carl:
If you really do, they will win.  If they don't you never truly believed.
Title: Re: +14
Post by: timhawk on September 30, 2013, 08:43:46 PM
KSU won't win....OSU by at least 10
Title: Re: +14
Post by: Mr Bread on September 30, 2013, 08:48:32 PM
KSU won't win....OSU by at least 10

What do you say about the shitbirds' chances against the best looking man in football, Landon? 
Title: Re: +14
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 30, 2013, 08:50:08 PM
KU is done winning games this season FWIW. La Tech has proven they're garbage and so has Rice. T's & P's.
Title: Re: +14
Post by: 0.42 on September 30, 2013, 08:50:25 PM
I believe that I will play at least 14 songs on turntable this week.
Title: Re: +14
Post by: timhawk on September 30, 2013, 09:16:46 PM
KSU won't win....OSU by at least 10

What do you say about the shitbirds' chances against the best looking man in football, Landon?

24-21 KU. KU will be 3-1 and ksu will be 2-3
Title: Re: +14
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 30, 2013, 09:22:15 PM
 :lol:
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Post by: fun muffin on September 30, 2013, 10:33:33 PM
you're a good fan tim
Title: Re: +14
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 01, 2013, 08:06:49 AM
seems about right for a line.  we might backdoor cover that if jake doesn't fumble at the 3 or something.

what will the line be for Baylor?  I'm guessing 19.5

WVU was +21 at home against Okie Lite, so I suppose being +14 on the road can be viewed as a positive.
Title: Re: +14
Post by: catzacker on October 01, 2013, 09:40:52 AM
So in 2 weeks we are going to fix the eff ups that we couldn't fix in 4 weeks of the season and like 3 weeks of practice in august?
Anything is possible if you believe in the power of love.

Anything

my parents are divorced. 
Title: Re: +14
Post by: deputy dawg on October 01, 2013, 09:47:36 AM
How is Okie State doing in turnovers this year?  Last year they were supposedly a crap defense, but they were way positive on TO's. 
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Post by: kso_FAN on October 01, 2013, 09:57:23 AM
How is Okie State doing in turnovers this year?  Last year they were supposedly a crap defense, but they were way positive on TO's. 

They are okay, not great so far.

In TO margin they ave. +.75 per game, good for 6th in the league. We are at -1.25, dead last.
Offense has lost only 4 TOs on the year. WVU is last at 14 lost TOs. We have lost 9.
Defense has forced 7 TOs on the year. TCU is first at 12 forced. We have forced 4, last in the league.

Our lost Turnovers have been a problem this year, but the fact that we have only forced 4 TOs through 4 games is even worse IMHO.
Title: Re: +14
Post by: TownieCat on October 01, 2013, 09:59:27 AM
How is Okie State doing in turnovers this year?  Last year they were supposedly a crap defense, but they were way positive on TO's.

They're +3 on the season with 6 INTs and 1 FR. The +3 has more to do with them not turning it over than it does with them taking it away...
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Post by: cDubya on October 01, 2013, 10:05:03 AM
How is Okie State doing in turnovers this year?  Last year they were supposedly a crap defense, but they were way positive on TO's.

Commited 3 and forced 2 against WVU.
Title: Re: +14
Post by: deputy dawg on October 01, 2013, 10:43:31 AM
How is Okie State doing in turnovers this year?  Last year they were supposedly a crap defense, but they were way positive on TO's.

Commited 3 and forced 2 against WVU.

I guess our hope is that we stop turning the ball over, especially during scoring opportunities.  A tuckism that I embrace (  :gocho: ) is that we'd be 4-0 without the stupidity of turnovers.
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Post by: kso_FAN on October 01, 2013, 11:21:47 AM
How is Okie State doing in turnovers this year?  Last year they were supposedly a crap defense, but they were way positive on TO's.

Commited 3 and forced 2 against WVU.

I guess our hope is that we stop turning the ball over, especially during scoring opportunities.  A tuckism that I embrace (  :gocho: ) is that we'd be 4-0 without the stupidity of turnovers.

I'm of the belief that turnovers will get better simply because the odds are in our favor at some point. There is skill/decision making factor involved in both forcing and having TOs, but there is also luck (like the opening KO vs Texas, the tipped pass by Miller). At some point a few more of those plays are going to go our way and I don't think that is just blind hope.

As far as Waters' decision making, overall it was much better against UT. Even on his bad fumble, there was no bad decision involved, it was just bad technique in running the football. But his lack of comfort in running the football has already been well addressed, and play calling (in part) can help that area, so at least in part its correctable.
Title: Re: +14
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 01, 2013, 11:48:40 AM
Good news guys. I've got the cats by 10 on this one.
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Post by: pissclams on October 01, 2013, 11:52:25 AM
So in 2 weeks we are going to fix the eff ups that we couldn't fix in 4 weeks of the season and like 3 weeks of practice in august?
Anything is possible if you believe in the power of love.

Anything

+ the blackholes
Title: Re: +14
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 01, 2013, 04:36:47 PM
I think we lose, but in heartbreaking fashion, rather than a blowout