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Title: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Microwave on April 16, 2013, 12:48:55 AM
Saw the uncle advice thread, thought I'd make a generalized one. I'm curious to get some OB opinions of life lessons they have learned
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: star seed 7 on April 16, 2013, 01:01:00 AM
Make sure the juice is worth the squeeze.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: SwiftCat on April 16, 2013, 02:13:14 AM
Nothing good happens after 2 AM.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: SwiftCat on April 16, 2013, 02:13:49 AM
I can't believe you fell for that. All of the best things happen after 2 so stay up late whenever you can.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: slobber on April 16, 2013, 05:42:12 AM
Invest early.
Title: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: steve dave on April 16, 2013, 05:58:07 AM
Travel constantly and make sure you have fantastic credit
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: scottwildcat on April 16, 2013, 07:05:30 AM
I can't believe you fell for that. All of the best things happen after 2 so stay up late whenever you can.

 :excited:
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: ben ji on April 16, 2013, 08:17:01 AM
Go to class, even if you just go to class and read a book or screw around on your phone.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on April 16, 2013, 08:21:35 AM
Don't drink and drive
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Stevesie60 on April 16, 2013, 08:26:17 AM
Don't drink and drive

I think everyone outside of Lawrence, KS probably is born with this ingrained in them.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: AppleJack on April 16, 2013, 08:26:21 AM
If the bar aint bendin, your just pretendin

 :dunno:
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: yoga-like_abana on April 16, 2013, 08:31:45 AM
If the bar aint bendin, your just pretendin

 :dunno:
just had a clean and jerk PR the other day! thanks AJ
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on April 16, 2013, 08:34:32 AM
Don't drink and drive

I think everyone outside of Lawrence, KS probably is born with this ingrained in them.

Easy, Jake, I'm just trying to give some advice to a general audience of young people I don't know.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on April 16, 2013, 08:41:25 AM
Don't get caught drinking and driving
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: puniraptor on April 16, 2013, 08:42:43 AM
try not to impregnate people you don't like
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: TheHamburglar on April 16, 2013, 08:44:44 AM
Don't listen to your dumbass roommates.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 16, 2013, 08:45:29 AM
Always laugh so you don't cry.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on April 16, 2013, 08:45:40 AM
Ok, serious advice....

Money:
1. Be frugal. Don't piss away your money on booze, fast food, new clothes, new cars, etc. Don't be a sucker. Spend wisely.
2. Stop using credit cards.
3. Start investing early. Find a few good no-load mutual funds with good track records and stick with them. The difference between starting your investments at 20 versus 30 is Millions.

Education:
4. Get a college degree, but go to a state school and pay in-state tuition.
5. Student loans are misery. Avoid them.
6. Get a degree that's actually useful for what you want to do.

Career:
7. Find a career you can enjoy at least a majority of the time, while earning a decent income.
8. Put yourself in your employer's shoes, and bust your ass. Be the most valuable employee.
9. Work to live, don't live to work.

Adventure:
10. We get so little time here, see as much of the world as you can.
11. Study abroad in a non-English speaking country, and don't spend all your time with your idiot friends from America.
12. Climb a real mountain (we're talking at least a mile EG) at least once.

Family:
13. Family is the most important thing.
14. Have kids when you're ready, but don't wait until your 30s.
15. Find a wife who is a kind person, reasonably attractive, and who you really think might be fun to spend the rest of your life with, and make sure you agree on (a) kids, (b) church, (c) career, (d) life goals, and (e) where you want to live.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: yoga-like_abana on April 16, 2013, 08:46:57 AM

2. Stop using credit cards.
you lost me
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 16, 2013, 08:47:26 AM
Invest early.

This. 
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on April 16, 2013, 08:47:33 AM
Going to college and working for the man isn't all that life should be about. Enjoy your life, travel, step out of your box, do things you want to do
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on April 16, 2013, 08:48:35 AM
Ok, serious advice....

Money:
1. Be frugal. Don't piss away your money on booze, fast food, new clothes, new cars, etc. Don't be a sucker. Spend wisely.
2. Stop using credit cards.
3. Start investing early. Find a few good no-load mutual funds with good track records and stick with them. The difference between starting your investments at 20 versus 30 is Millions.


Welp wrong audience for this one
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 16, 2013, 08:48:50 AM
Ok, serious advice....

Money:
1. Be frugal. Don't piss away your money on booze, fast food, new clothes, new cars, etc. Don't be a sucker. Spend wisely.
2. Stop using credit cards.
3. Start investing early. Find a few good no-load mutual funds with good track records and stick with them. The difference between starting your investments at 20 versus 30 is Millions.

Education:
4. Get a college degree, but go to a state school and pay in-state tuition.
5. Student loans are misery. Avoid them.
6. Get a degree that's actually useful for what you want to do.

Career:
7. Find a career you can enjoy at least a majority of the time, while earning a decent income.
8. Put yourself in your employer's shoes, and bust your ass. Be the most valuable employee.
9. Work to live, don't live to work.

Adventure:
10. We get so little time here, see as much of the world as you can.
11. Study abroad in a non-English speaking country, and don't spend all your time with your idiot friends from America.
12. Climb a real mountain (we're talking at least a mile EG) at least once.

Family:
13. Family is the most important thing.
14. Have kids when you're ready, but don't wait until your 30s.
15. Find a wife who is a kind person, reasonably attractive, and who you really think might be fun to spend the rest of your life with, and make sure you agree on (a) kids, (b) church, (c) career, (d) life goals, and (e) where you want to live.
Avoid half of this. It's unrealistic.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 16, 2013, 08:50:06 AM
ERII is only partly right.  It's best to partner with the man, figure out how to play the game, and then retire at 50 with your boatloads of cash and enjoy your life for the rest of your life.  Of course you can still enjoy your life while you're working for the man.  So basically you're enjoying it the whole time. 
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Daddy Claxton on April 16, 2013, 09:03:12 AM
Use your brain.  Don't take things too seriously.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: michigancat on April 16, 2013, 09:05:58 AM
Do what you love.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 16, 2013, 09:07:13 AM
There's no exact playbook to life. Sometimes it's best to adlib like Doug Flutie outside the pocket.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: ben ji on April 16, 2013, 09:09:57 AM
Invest early.

This.

Yes, I am shocked at how many of my friends(4 years after graduating) are just now starting to contribute to their 401k's and even think of retirement...

Starting when you are 22/23 is key if you want to retire early.

Also like K-S-U's "Work to live, dont live to work".
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: KSUblumpkin on April 16, 2013, 09:10:27 AM
When you've been through a shitstorm...it is beautiful to say/believe you survived something you never thought you could.  Trials and tribulations are foundations of character.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: mocat on April 16, 2013, 09:11:50 AM
There's no exact playbook to life. Sometimes it's best to ablib like Doug Flutie outside the pocket.

 :D
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on April 16, 2013, 09:13:13 AM
take a personality test your freshman year of college to make sure that you are picking out a major that is compatible with your personality and that you would probably enjoy.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: steve dave on April 16, 2013, 09:15:51 AM
Ok, serious advice....

Money:
1. Be frugal. Don't piss away your money on booze, fast food, new clothes, new cars, etc. Don't be a sucker. Spend wisely.
2. Stop using credit cards.
3. Start investing early. Find a few good no-load mutual funds with good track records and stick with them. The difference between starting your investments at 20 versus 30 is Millions.

Education:
4. Get a college degree, but go to a state school and pay in-state tuition.
5. Student loans are misery. Avoid them.
6. Get a degree that's actually useful for what you want to do.

Career:
7. Find a career you can enjoy at least a majority of the time, while earning a decent income.
8. Put yourself in your employer's shoes, and bust your ass. Be the most valuable employee.
9. Work to live, don't live to work.

Adventure:
10. We get so little time here, see as much of the world as you can.
11. Study abroad in a non-English speaking country, and don't spend all your time with your idiot friends from America.
12. Climb a real mountain (we're talking at least a mile EG) at least once.

Family:
13. Family is the most important thing.
14. Have kids when you're ready, but don't wait until your 30s.
15. Find a wife who is a kind person, reasonably attractive, and who you really think might be fun to spend the rest of your life with, and make sure you agree on (a) kids, (b) church, (c) career, (d) life goals, and (e) where you want to live.

thanks Dave Ramsey
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Daddy Claxton on April 16, 2013, 09:16:55 AM
Success is 100% subjective. First, figure out what your own definition is. Then, pursue it regardless of any other opinions or consequences.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: TheHamburglar on April 16, 2013, 09:17:57 AM
There is no man. It's just a bunch of people just like you who are older and have more experiences that help them make better decisions. Don't be intimidated by any of them. They want you to succeed and they want to reward you for that success.  If you have a job where you don't think this is true, get a new job.
Title: Re: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: michigancat on April 16, 2013, 09:19:33 AM
Do what you love.

And if you find you don't love it as much as you thought you did, do something else.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 16, 2013, 09:22:11 AM
There's no exact playbook to life. Sometimes it's best to ablib like Doug Flutie outside the pocket.

 :D
:thumbs: Great point, mc. The english language is not important. I'm about to make more $ than many ppl with english degrees. It's all about personality, who you know, and networking. Write that down.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on April 16, 2013, 09:22:40 AM
there is no easter bunny. that, over there, that's just a guy in a suit.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 16, 2013, 09:23:26 AM
Get good at time management.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: KSUblumpkin on April 16, 2013, 09:33:01 AM
Ok, serious advice....

Money:
1. Be frugal. Don't piss away your money on booze, fast food, new clothes, new cars, etc. Don't be a sucker. Spend wisely.
2. Stop using credit cards.
3. Start investing early. Find a few good no-load mutual funds with good track records and stick with them. The difference between starting your investments at 20 versus 30 is Millions.

Education:
4. Get a college degree, but go to a state school and pay in-state tuition.
5. Student loans are misery. Avoid them.
6. Get a degree that's actually useful for what you want to do.

Career:
7. Find a career you can enjoy at least a majority of the time, while earning a decent income.
8. Put yourself in your employer's shoes, and bust your ass. Be the most valuable employee.
9. Work to live, don't live to work.

Adventure:
10. We get so little time here, see as much of the world as you can.
11. Study abroad in a non-English speaking country, and don't spend all your time with your idiot friends from America.
12. Climb a real mountain (we're talking at least a mile EG) at least once.

Family:
13. Family is the most important thing.
14. Have kids when you're ready, but don't wait until your 30s.
15. Find a wife who is a kind person, reasonably attractive, and who you really think might be fun to spend the rest of your life with, and make sure you agree on (a) kids, (b) church, (c) career, (d) life goals, and (e) where you want to live.

thanks Dave Ramsey

Zing!!!  Also, studying abroad really isn't in harmony with the money/education tips.  I lived in London for one year after my undergrad and it can be done cheaply, but saving/investing isn't an option when you do this.

The biggest thing that I tell patients is to differentiate between happiness and contentment.  Happiness is fleeting and you cannot be happy all the time.  I hear young people say: "I just want to be happy", and blame themselves/others when they are not.  Its a destructive cycle of searching for a feeling that cannot be maintained.  Be content with the fact you did your effing best...no shame in that my young Cats.  The pursuit of happiness should really be the pursuit of contentment.  To any young Cats out there...be content and enjoy the waves of happiness when they wash on your shore, but like the tides..happiness will recede.  Find contentment in the little things and knowing that this life you have lived (good or bad) is something that has meant something to someone.  Smile knowing you have simply lived.  People take for granted life each day and forget how rare it is in this entire universe. 

/end serious Blumpkin post.

Sidenote: chase a few fillies in there too.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on April 16, 2013, 09:34:48 AM
Don't regret your mistakes, learn from them.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: CNS on April 16, 2013, 09:36:45 AM
take a personality test your freshman year of college to make sure that you are picking out a major that is compatible with your personality and that you would probably enjoy.

Yep. 

Major is an almost unfair thing to have to pick when you are 18 yrs old, unless it is a non-specialized one. 

Figure you our early and be honest and realistic in doing so.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: ChiComCat on April 16, 2013, 09:38:42 AM
there is no easter bunny. that, over there, that's just a guy in a suit.

Fear and respect the escalator
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 16, 2013, 09:39:42 AM
Attend as many cats games you can (home and away). You'll miss it if you ever move away.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: KSUblumpkin on April 16, 2013, 09:41:29 AM
Attend as many cats games you can (home and away). You'll miss it if you ever move away.

This.  I miss it so much and didn't realize how awesome it truly was until I moved away.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: CNS on April 16, 2013, 09:44:22 AM
Don't tolerate assholes at work.  If you work somewhere that has a bunch of assholes, you need a new place to work.  Otherwise you will end up being an bad person. 
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on April 16, 2013, 09:45:19 AM
Live, love, laugh.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: steve dave on April 16, 2013, 09:45:47 AM
-start getting into the points/miles game now. it will give you baller credit and let you travel the world in first class for free for the rest of your life.

-if you are smarter than everyone make sure they know it but make sure they don't know you are making sure they know it.

-save money for retirement but spend a lot now on things you love. you can do amazing things in the prime of your life or you can sit on some money when you are old and can no longer do those things no matter how much money you saved.

-leaving a shitload of money for your kids isn't doing them any favors and they won't remember you more fondly for it.

-student loans are one of the greatest government benefits there are. use them. working 40 hours a week while going to school is never a better idea than working 10 and having a small amount of 1.6% long term debt at graduation.

-don't feel like you have to have kids just because the dickwad next door has 7. he's lying to you. he doesn't want to spend 100% of his free time at baseball games.

-but, if you want kids have them. they seem pretty great in certain situations.

-if you're feeling down just hop on an airplane and get out for a day or two.

-carry on whenever possible. usually if you think it's not possible it actually is.

-don't buy garbage, you get more than what you pay for in almost all instances. find the very best of what you are looking to buy and then find the best price for it.

-owning X really high quality Ys is better than owning >X medium quality Ys. (the number and the item aren't important and can be changed to anything).

-relationships are pretty easy, I can't provide much advice there. nature v. nurture or whatever.

-don't stay somewhere cheap because it's just a bed.

-gamble, but don't be a dumbass. it's not an investment.

-try all the less scary drugs at least once. don't do it, like, a ton though.

Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: slobber on April 16, 2013, 09:46:25 AM
There is a lot of great advice in this thread. Choose wisely on which advice you follow.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on April 16, 2013, 09:50:27 AM

-if you're feeling down just hop on an airplane and get out for a day or two.


 :D
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: sys on April 16, 2013, 09:56:36 AM
don't agree with the do what you love crowd.  that's fine if you love to do something in a field where it's fairly easy to find a well-paying job.  if you love to do something in fields where there's a huge glut of qualified people, do something else that you can tolerate and do what you love in your free time.

agree with blumkin on not taking people for granted.  probably impossible to do, but it's still good advice.

don't ever have children, you selfish eff.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: GCJayhawker on April 16, 2013, 09:56:52 AM
3. Start investing early.

I really want to start seriously investing at this point in my life, especially given how much more I can make by starting early, but I really have no idea how to get started.  So I constantly just think I should invest, but then never do.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 16, 2013, 09:58:27 AM
3. Start investing early.

I really want to start seriously investing at this point in my life, especially given how much more I can make by starting early, but I really have no idea how to get started.  So I constantly just think I should invest, but then never do.

You are a college graduate and if your employer doesn't even offer some type of retirement package, I would find a new job.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: steve dave on April 16, 2013, 09:58:57 AM
don't agree with the do what you love crowd.  that's fine if you love to do something in a field where it's fairly easy to find a well-paying job.  if you love to do something in fields where there's a huge glut of qualified people, do something else that you can tolerate and do what you love in your free time.

agree with this
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: GCJayhawker on April 16, 2013, 09:59:54 AM
3. Start investing early.

I really want to start seriously investing at this point in my life, especially given how much more I can make by starting early, but I really have no idea how to get started.  So I constantly just think I should invest, but then never do.

You are a college graduate and if your employer doesn't even offer some type of retirement package, I would find a new job.

I just have a one year position that is not eligible for retirement packages.  I'm moving to a new state at the end of the year, so hopefully a job I get there will have a retirement package.  I'm kind of in career purgatory at the moment.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 16, 2013, 10:00:36 AM
don't agree with the do what you love crowd.  that's fine if you love to do something in a field where it's fairly easy to find a well-paying job.  if you love to do something in fields where there's a huge glut of qualified people, do something else that you can tolerate and do what you love in your free time.

agree with this

I'm not sure. I think you have to at least love what you do.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: steve dave on April 16, 2013, 10:01:00 AM
-don't overlook statistics as a major
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on April 16, 2013, 10:02:00 AM
I need to put more money in my 401K and need to get a portfolio. We need an investment thread if there isn't one already
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Panjandrum on April 16, 2013, 10:04:40 AM
Watch the stress and get good sleep.  A relatively healthy young person can end up in a cardiology unit pretty quickly if they mix stress, lack of sleep, and a lot of caffeine together at the same time for several weeks in a row.

(Speaking from experience.)
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Panjandrum on April 16, 2013, 10:06:42 AM
Also, no, it wouldn't kill you to eat a salad every once in awhile.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on April 16, 2013, 10:10:57 AM
don't agree with the do what you love crowd.  that's fine if you love to do something in a field where it's fairly easy to find a well-paying job.  if you love to do something in fields where there's a huge glut of qualified people, do something else that you can tolerate and do what you love in your free time.

agree with this

I'm not sure. I think you have to at least love what you do.

you actually don't. i've been doing what i'm doing for ten years now and certainly don't love. i don't mind it though. it's also pretty easy and doesn't stress me out at all and allows me to work a normal work day inside of a building and get paid pretty decently for doing it. getting paid decently and not hating your job is prob better than loving it but making minimum wage.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: lopakman on April 16, 2013, 10:11:12 AM
I need to put more money in my 401K and need to get a portfolio. We need an investment thread if there isn't one already

Start one up and I'll answer any questions you have.  I have an MBA with an emphasis on Finance.  I won't tell you what to buy but can help you get started.  This goes for any emaws.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Daddy Claxton on April 16, 2013, 10:16:46 AM
don't agree with the do what you love crowd.  that's fine if you love to do something in a field where it's fairly easy to find a well-paying job.  if you love to do something in fields where there's a huge glut of qualified people, do something else that you can tolerate and do what you love in your free time.

agree with this

I'm not sure. I think you have to at least love what you do.
I apparently agree with sys's point, because that's basically my life.  But I still think it depends on whether you think "success" is a well paying job, or if it is doing what you love. If you're fortunate, the two will come together, but there are a number of people that I'm jealous of because they love their life, even though they don't have a 401k. Evryone has to find their own balance imo.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Microwave on April 16, 2013, 10:18:24 AM
Watch the stress and get good sleep.  A relatively healthy young person can end up in a cardiology unit pretty quickly if they mix stress, lack of sleep, and a lot of caffeine together at the same time for several weeks in a row.

(Speaking from experience.)

As an engineering major this is almost unavoidable for me. 
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on April 16, 2013, 10:18:59 AM
Watch the stress and get good sleep.  A relatively healthy young person can end up in a cardiology unit pretty quickly if they mix stress, lack of sleep, and a lot of caffeine together at the same time for several weeks in a row.

(Speaking from experience.)

As an engineering major this is almost unavoidable for me.

8man!!! Help me out here...
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: RickRampus on April 16, 2013, 10:19:23 AM
sd, I'm too lazy to travel the credit card thread, what would be a good one for me to start with?  I would have roughly $1000 in expenses/month that could be put on a card.  TIA
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: lopakman on April 16, 2013, 10:23:31 AM
sd, I'm too lazy to travel the credit card thread, what would be a good one for me to start with?  I would have roughly $1000 in expenses/month that could be put on a card.  TIA

Discovercard has 0 fees to pay.  Also can't be use everywhere which limits temptations.  Your best bet would be to get a debit/credit card.  Avoid credit card debt at all costs!
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: sys on April 16, 2013, 10:25:23 AM
Discovercard has 0 fees to pay.  Also can't be use everywhere which limits temptations.  Your best bet would be to get a debit/credit card.  Avoid credit card debt at all costs!

lopakman, cut it out.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: steve dave on April 16, 2013, 10:26:21 AM
sd, I'm too lazy to travel the credit card thread, what would be a good one for me to start with?  I would have roughly $1000 in expenses/month that could be put on a card.  TIA

Discovercard has 0 fees to pay.  Also can't be use everywhere which limits temptations.  Your best bet would be to get a debit/credit card.  Avoid credit card debt at all costs!

I'm pretty close to banning you.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: lopakman on April 16, 2013, 10:29:39 AM
sorr for trying to help  :dunno:
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on April 16, 2013, 10:30:42 AM
 :lol:
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: mocat on April 16, 2013, 10:30:57 AM
I bet RickRampus is farther from deciding what to do than he was a few minutes ago
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: RickRampus on April 16, 2013, 10:33:34 AM
yup
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: puniraptor on April 16, 2013, 10:35:08 AM
sorr for trying to help  :dunno:
don't spend money you don't have. spend all the money you DO have with credit cards then pay them off each month and get crap for free.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: RickRampus on April 16, 2013, 10:37:43 AM
sorr for trying to help  :dunno:
don't spend money you don't have. spend all the money you DO have with credit cards then pay them off each month and get crap for free.

that's the plan, any out there with a good deal to jump on right now?
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: 0.42 on April 16, 2013, 10:41:45 AM
don't put her on a pedestal
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: michigancat on April 16, 2013, 10:44:56 AM
Well obviously if you don't love being poor you should do something else. Dumbasses.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 16, 2013, 10:48:51 AM
Well obviously if you don't love being poor you should do something else. Dumbasses.
Kinda the point I was trying to make to you the other day.
Title: Re: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: michigancat on April 16, 2013, 10:48:54 AM
Well obviously if you don't love being poor you should do something else. Dumbasses.

but don't completely rule out doing something you love because some guy who couldn't make six figures hunting snakes or calling juco football games tells you it's not practical. Get an MBA (a real one) or something when snake wranglin doesn't work out.
Title: Re: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 16, 2013, 10:53:09 AM
Well obviously if you don't love being poor you should do something else. Dumbasses.

but don't completely rule out doing something you love because some guy who couldn't make six figures hunting snakes or calling juco football games tells you it's not practical. Get an MBA (a real one) or something when snake wranglin doesn't work out.
Oh JFC.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on April 16, 2013, 10:56:16 AM
if we are just talking about jobs then i would also say to get a skill of some sort. like an actual skill that is obtained and some piece of paper or something that says you are allowed to do it while most other people can't.
Title: Re: Re: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: michigancat on April 16, 2013, 10:58:44 AM
Well obviously if you don't love being poor you should do something else. Dumbasses.

but don't completely rule out doing something you love because some guy who couldn't make six figures hunting snakes or calling juco football games tells you it's not practical. Get an MBA (a real one) or something when snake wranglin doesn't work out.
Oh JFC.

hey, you gave it a shot and couldn't cut it. At least now you know. But that doesn't mean the next guy couldn't make it.

In retrospect, I shouldn't have tried to steer you to media.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on April 16, 2013, 11:03:22 AM
if we are just talking about jobs then i would also say to get a skill of some sort. like an actual skill that is obtained and some piece of paper or something that says you are allowed to do it while most other people can't.

spell my name after 15 beers
Title: Re: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: michigancat on April 16, 2013, 11:03:40 AM
if we are just talking about jobs then i would also say to get a skill of some sort. like an actual skill that is obtained and some piece of paper or something that says you are allowed to do it while most other people can't.

I would go the complete opposite and be as general as possible. What happens when that skill or piece of paper becomes obsolete?

(my "do what you love" advice wasn't necessarily career focused, btw.)
Title: Re: Re: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 16, 2013, 11:04:24 AM
Well obviously if you don't love being poor you should do something else. Dumbasses.

but don't completely rule out doing something you love because some guy who couldn't make six figures hunting snakes or calling juco football games tells you it's not practical. Get an MBA (a real one) or something when snake wranglin doesn't work out.
Oh JFC.

hey, you gave it a shot and couldn't cut it. At least now you know. But that doesn't mean the next guy couldn't make it.

In retrospect, I shouldn't have tried to steer you to media.
You can just be so smug and short minded sometimes. I would never advise for any one to do something they didn't love. Everyone has a different situation growing up and certain ppl have limitations in certain areas.
Title: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: SkinnyBenny on April 16, 2013, 11:05:54 AM
Spend five days in a hurricane sometime.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Teddy_Westside on April 16, 2013, 11:07:28 AM
Don't listen to your dumbass roommates.

 :shakesfist:
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on April 16, 2013, 11:15:54 AM
The problem with credit cards, and the reason all young people should be advised to avoid them, is because it makes it a lot easier to spend money, and the easier it is spend money, the more you will spend.

Doesn't matter if you get 5% cash back or travel points - odds are, any money you "make" using a credit card will be more than offset by all the extra cash you spent because you use the credit card, as opposed to the more painful process of forking over cash.

The only exceptions to this rule are if you have expenses that are more or less fixed and unavoidable. For example, if you've got a job that requires a lot of travel, it's a great idea to charge that travel on a credit card with incentives. You don't have a choice to incur that expense, and you get reimbursed and get to rack up points.

But other than these few exceptions, the general rule holds true: you will save a lot more money using cash than you will "earn" using credit cards.

Yes, your life will probably be a lot more boring until you're rich at the age of 50 and get to retire. Then you'll laugh at all the assholes you preached about what a great deal credit cards are, and how what a great bargain those student loans are that they've been carrying around for the last 20 years.

/Dave Ramsey
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 16, 2013, 11:18:48 AM
The problem with credit cards, and the reason all young people should be advised to avoid them, is because it makes it a lot easier to spend money, and the easier it is spend money, the more you will spend.

Doesn't matter if you get 5% cash back or travel points - odds are, any money you "make" using a credit card will be more than offset by all the extra cash you spent because you use the credit card, as opposed to the more painful process of forking over cash.

The only exceptions to this rule are if you have expenses that are more or less fixed and unavoidable. For example, if you've got a job that requires a lot of travel, it's a great idea to charge that travel on a credit card with incentives. You don't have a choice to incur that expense, and you get reimbursed and get to rack up points.

But other than these few exceptions, the general rule holds true: you will save a lot more money using cash than you will "earn" using credit cards.

Yes, your life will probably be a lot more boring until you're rich at the age of 50 and get to retire. Then you'll laugh at all the assholes you preached about what a great deal credit cards are, and how what a great bargain those student loans are that they've been carrying around for the last 20 years.

/Dave Ramsey

It seems like all of those people will have already experienced all of the things you had to wait until you were 50 for. :dunno:
Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: michigancat on April 16, 2013, 11:20:20 AM
Well obviously if you don't love being poor you should do something else. Dumbasses.

but don't completely rule out doing something you love because some guy who couldn't make six figures hunting snakes or calling juco football games tells you it's not practical. Get an MBA (a real one) or something when snake wranglin doesn't work out.
Oh JFC.

hey, you gave it a shot and couldn't cut it. At least now you know. But that doesn't mean the next guy couldn't make it.

In retrospect, I shouldn't have tried to steer you to media.
You can just be so smug and short minded sometimes. I would never advise for any one to do something they didn't love. Everyone has a different situation growing up and certain ppl have limitations in certain areas.

don't use your background as an excuse. (this is advice for everyone).
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: steve dave on April 16, 2013, 11:22:45 AM
The problem with credit cards, and the reason all young people should be advised to avoid them, is because it makes it a lot easier to spend money, and the easier it is spend money, the more you will spend.

Doesn't matter if you get 5% cash back or travel points - odds are, any money you "make" using a credit card will be more than offset by all the extra cash you spent because you use the credit card, as opposed to the more painful process of forking over cash.

The only exceptions to this rule are if you have expenses that are more or less fixed and unavoidable. For example, if you've got a job that requires a lot of travel, it's a great idea to charge that travel on a credit card with incentives. You don't have a choice to incur that expense, and you get reimbursed and get to rack up points.

But other than these few exceptions, the general rule holds true: you will save a lot more money using cash than you will "earn" using credit cards.

Yes, your life will probably be a lot more boring until you're rich at the age of 50 and get to retire. Then you'll laugh at all the assholes you preached about what a great deal credit cards are, and how what a great bargain those student loans are that they've been carrying around for the last 20 years.

/Dave Ramsey

the above is advice for dumbasses only and should be avoided by most everyone on this message board who I give the benefit of the doubt as being functioning human beings. if you are an idiot who can't handle your finances then credit cards are not a good idea. neither is college probably. look into trade school would be my advice. for the rest of you the world's your oyster.

/steve dave
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: puniraptor on April 16, 2013, 11:40:19 AM
cash is the easiest to spend. I consider cash in my pocket as money already spent because I'm not tracking the numbers in a bank account.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: michigancat on April 16, 2013, 11:41:18 AM
Cash-only bars reduce my spending because I hate carrying cash. (OT: eff you bars in SF for being cash-only).
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 16, 2013, 11:43:57 AM
cash is the easiest to spend. I consider cash in my pocket as money already spent because I'm not tracking the numbers in a bank account.

Yeah. The only time cash is hard to spend is when you don't have enough on you.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Skipper44 on April 16, 2013, 11:48:42 AM
Cash-only bars reduce my spending because I hate carrying cash. (OT: eff you bars in SF for being cash-only).
Is this part of the faux dive bar scene?  That blows
Title: Re: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: mocat on April 16, 2013, 12:02:29 PM
cash is the easiest to spend. I consider cash in my pocket as money already spent because I'm not tracking the numbers in a bank account.

This
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: nicname on April 16, 2013, 12:09:24 PM
Don't eff up your credit. 
Don't worry about things that don't really matter.
Try lots of things.
Mostly, don't eff up your credit.

Title: Re: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Matt Siebrant's Left Hand on April 16, 2013, 12:46:21 PM
Do what you love.

And if you find you don't love it as much as you thought you did, do something else.

What if you just graduated from college with a degree in it? Asking for a friend...  :frown:
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: lopakman on April 16, 2013, 02:00:52 PM
The problem with credit cards, and the reason all young people should be advised to avoid them, is because it makes it a lot easier to spend money, and the easier it is spend money, the more you will spend.

Doesn't matter if you get 5% cash back or travel points - odds are, any money you "make" using a credit card will be more than offset by all the extra cash you spent because you use the credit card, as opposed to the more painful process of forking over cash.

The only exceptions to this rule are if you have expenses that are more or less fixed and unavoidable. For example, if you've got a job that requires a lot of travel, it's a great idea to charge that travel on a credit card with incentives. You don't have a choice to incur that expense, and you get reimbursed and get to rack up points.

But other than these few exceptions, the general rule holds true: you will save a lot more money using cash than you will "earn" using credit cards.

Yes, your life will probably be a lot more boring until you're rich at the age of 50 and get to retire. Then you'll laugh at all the assholes you preached about what a great deal credit cards are, and how what a great bargain those student loans are that they've been carrying around for the last 20 years.

/Dave Ramsey

It seems like all of those people will have already experienced all of the things you had to wait until you were 50 for. :dunno:

Possibly but not necessarily. Plus he may be able to retire by 50 while you're working until 70.  There's no right or wrong, just depends on your individual goals.  Have fun now and pay for it later or pay for it now and have fun later.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: steve dave on April 16, 2013, 02:02:31 PM
or pay for it now and die
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 16, 2013, 02:14:13 PM
Dave Ramsey didn't retire at 50, fwiw.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: steve dave on April 16, 2013, 02:16:06 PM
Dave Ramsey didn't retire at 50, fwiw.

dave ramsey has made millions on rubes. he will continue to as long as there are rubes.

RIP Jeffy
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 16, 2013, 02:16:18 PM
I for one am happy I spent $ I didn't have at the time on spring break trips to padre and panama when I was in college. Those trips are paid for now and I'm pretty sure those trips would suck balls at 50.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 16, 2013, 02:18:25 PM
Dave Ramsey didn't retire at 50, fwiw.

dave ramsey has made millions on rubes. he will continue to as long as there are rubes.

RIP Jeffy

Yes, he sells them on a dream of retiring at 50, which is obviously a dream he doesn't even share. He's made millions, and he could retire today if he wanted to. He doesn't want to, though. I honestly don't know any successful 50 year old who is just dying to retire. They are all making lots of money and enjoy going to work.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: steve dave on April 16, 2013, 02:18:50 PM
I for one am happy I spent $ I didn't have at the time on spring break trips to padre and panama when I was in college. Those trips are paid for now and I'm pretty sure those trips would suck balls at 50.

nobody does crap at 50+ that they would do now, there are windows in your life where doing things are max rewarding and passing them by to be "frugal" is a one time choice that can never be taken back. you can't be a dumbass about it though. sometimes passing them by is the best option, sometimes it's not. but, nobody has ever been on their death bed and said "I wish I had travelled less".
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: CNS on April 16, 2013, 02:24:22 PM
I don't understand retiring.  Sounds boring as crap
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 16, 2013, 02:26:04 PM
I don't understand retiring.  Sounds boring as crap

There will come a time when you are simply too old to keep up with your younger coworkers, and you should retire to gracefully leave without eventually embarrassing yourself. 50 seems way to young for that, though.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: mocat on April 16, 2013, 02:26:33 PM
I don't understand retiring.  Sounds boring as crap

Well you probably don't work down at the old steel mill just milling steel or down at the old Ford plant attaching hoods to F-150s or down at the old cement plant just planting cement
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: ben ji on April 16, 2013, 02:29:55 PM
I don't understand retiring.  Sounds boring as crap

Yeah, who would want to spend all day fishing with their awesome dog or golfing or traveling or just generally doing whatever they want when they want.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 16, 2013, 02:36:17 PM
I for one am happy I spent $ I didn't have at the time on spring break trips to padre and panama when I was in college. Those trips are paid for now and I'm pretty sure those trips would suck balls at 50.

nobody does crap at 50+ that they would do now, there are windows in your life where doing things are max rewarding and passing them by to be "frugal" is a one time choice that can never be taken back. you can't be a dumbass about it though. sometimes passing them by is the best option, sometimes it's not. but, nobody has ever been on their death bed and said "I wish I had travelled less".
:thumbs: Well said.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: lopakman on April 16, 2013, 03:02:01 PM
or pay for it now and die

Always a possibility. 
Title: Re: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: 8manpick on April 16, 2013, 03:13:17 PM
I for one am happy I spent $ I didn't have at the time on spring break trips to padre and panama when I was in college. Those trips are paid for now and I'm pretty sure those trips would suck balls at 50.

This x100. Take as many trips as you can when you are young. Maximize your fun in college.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: 8manpick on April 16, 2013, 03:14:59 PM
Go to road games as often as possible
Title: Re: Re: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: michigancat on April 16, 2013, 03:24:04 PM
I for one am happy I spent $ I didn't have at the time on spring break trips to padre and panama when I was in college. Those trips are paid for now and I'm pretty sure those trips would suck balls at 50.

This x100. Take as many trips as you can when you are young. Maximize your fun in college.

plus student loans are great ways to finance spring break trips.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: 8manpick on April 16, 2013, 03:35:26 PM
I for one am happy I spent $ I didn't have at the time on spring break trips to padre and panama when I was in college. Those trips are paid for now and I'm pretty sure those trips would suck balls at 50.

This x100. Take as many trips as you can when you are young. Maximize your fun in college.

plus student loans are great ways to finance spring break trips.
Very true. Did you know that you can update how much of the offered loans you accept in the middle of the semester? You can do it online, even at night after several beers, and money will show up in your bank account a few days later. Canadian friend did this once.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Cartierfor3 on April 16, 2013, 03:40:45 PM
Don't hold grudges. Practice forgiving people.

I can't believe how many people I meet who don't speak to their mother, father, sister, brother, etc. We all have flaws, and even if the other person is in the wrong, approach them and seek peace. When you hold onto a grudge, you punish only yourself.

Forgiving people is freeing. Try it.


Also, have time every week where you do nothing but sit outdoors with your thoughts. Even if only for a few minutes.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: CNS on April 16, 2013, 04:02:55 PM
I don't understand retiring.  Sounds boring as crap

Yeah, who would want to spend all day fishing with their awesome dog or golfing or traveling or just generally doing whatever they want when they want.

This sounds pretty fantastic in theory.  However, doing it every day for like 3 months?  Rather than retire, I plan to go part time in the biz until I die or can't function well.  Even if that means I retire from where I work full time, I will start something up for cash on my own or something.   I can't imagine not being productive at least every few days or so.  Would be horrible.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Skipper44 on April 16, 2013, 04:05:27 PM
I don't understand retiring.  Sounds boring as crap

Yeah, who would want to spend all day fishing with their awesome dog or golfing or traveling or just generally doing whatever they want when they want.

This sounds pretty fantastic in theory.  However, doing it every day for like 3 months?  Rather than retire, I plan to go part time in the biz until I die or can't function well.  Even if that means I retire from where I work full time, I will start something up for cash on my own or something.   I can't imagine not being productive at least every few days or so.  Would be horrible.
From what I have seen, the dudes that can afford to retire at 50 (or even early 60's) end up with some pretty major alcohol problems  :frown:
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 16, 2013, 04:07:03 PM
I don't understand retiring.  Sounds boring as crap

Yeah, who would want to spend all day fishing with their awesome dog or golfing or traveling or just generally doing whatever they want when they want.

This sounds pretty fantastic in theory.  However, doing it every day for like 3 months?  Rather than retire, I plan to go part time in the biz until I die or can't function well.  Even if that means I retire from where I work full time, I will start something up for cash on my own or something.   I can't imagine not being productive at least every few days or so.  Would be horrible.
From what I have seen, the dudes that can afford to retire at 50 (or even early 60's) end up with some pretty major alcohol problems  :frown:
Good for them. They've earned it.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Willesgirl on April 16, 2013, 04:18:29 PM
Marry the right person.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on April 16, 2013, 04:19:17 PM
Don't get married
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: EMAWmeister on April 16, 2013, 04:19:39 PM
Watch the stress and get good sleep.  A relatively healthy young person can end up in a cardiology unit pretty quickly if they mix stress, lack of sleep, and a lot of caffeine together at the same time for several weeks in a row.

(Speaking from experience.)

You just described the last 3 years of my life and I'm perfectly healthy.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 16, 2013, 04:20:16 PM
Watch the stress and get good sleep.  A relatively healthy young person can end up in a cardiology unit pretty quickly if they mix stress, lack of sleep, and a lot of caffeine together at the same time for several weeks in a row.

(Speaking from experience.)

You just described the last 3 years of my life and I'm perfectly healthy.
You're young. That will change with age.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Rams on April 16, 2013, 04:21:18 PM
I guess I understand what some of you are saying re: find a job that you can "tolerate" and you don't need to find one that you love.  but if you have to work 8 hours a day, that's a shitload of your life that you spend just "tolerating" something.  that doesn't seem like a very good way to go through life.  :dunno:  I just can't imagine having to get up most days and spending virtually the entire day doing something that I don't love.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 16, 2013, 04:21:47 PM
Marry the right person.
Seeing how there's a 50% historic chance of ppl being wrong on this, there's no way to judge how to do this.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: CNS on April 16, 2013, 04:23:41 PM
The "do what you love" thing is hard.  I mean, there is a bunch of stuff that I love doing that I would absolutely hate doing if I had to do it for other ppl or if I had to do alongside some douchebag as a coworker that was put on my team with zero input from me.  I mean, other ppl(customers, coworkers, vendors, etc) can really eff good things up.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Bloodfart on April 16, 2013, 04:24:32 PM
Marry the right person.
Seeing how there's a 50% historic chance of ppl being wrong on this, there's no way to judge how to do this.

Marry someone smarter than you then.  I did and look at me now bitches.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Rams on April 16, 2013, 04:26:56 PM
start your own business.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: CNS on April 16, 2013, 04:27:25 PM
start your own business.

Yep. 

Do this. 

But first, get good at something.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 16, 2013, 04:28:52 PM
If you're going into business. Take some golf lessons. It will pay off. Every client/boss wants to play golf on Friday.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: ben ji on April 16, 2013, 04:30:44 PM
The "do what you love" thing is hard.  I mean, there is a bunch of stuff that I love doing that I would absolutely hate doing if I had to do it for other ppl or if I had to do alongside some douchebag as a coworker that was put on my team with zero input from me.  I mean, other ppl(customers, coworkers, vendors, etc) can really eff good things up.

Kenny Powers once said "They say money can't buy happiness, but I've never seen a sad mother rough rider on a jet ski"
Title: Re: Re: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: ben ji on April 16, 2013, 04:32:25 PM
I for one am happy I spent $ I didn't have at the time on spring break trips to padre and panama when I was in college. Those trips are paid for now and I'm pretty sure those trips would suck balls at 50.

This x100. Take as many trips as you can when you are young. Maximize your fun in college.

plus student loans are great ways to finance spring break trips.

True story, ben ji's dad is a year younger than his mom and used his student loan money to buy ben ji's mom a ring when she graduated. They got married and she ended up helping pay back his student loans.

Pretty boss move if you ask me.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on April 16, 2013, 04:32:55 PM
The "do what you love" thing is hard.  I mean, there is a bunch of stuff that I love doing that I would absolutely hate doing if I had to do it for other ppl or if I had to do alongside some douchebag as a coworker that was put on my team with zero input from me.  I mean, other ppl(customers, coworkers, vendors, etc) can really eff good things up.

Kenny Powers once said "They say money can't buy happiness, but I've never seen a sad mother rough rider on a jet ski"

 :lol:
Title: Re: Re: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 16, 2013, 04:34:55 PM
I for one am happy I spent $ I didn't have at the time on spring break trips to padre and panama when I was in college. Those trips are paid for now and I'm pretty sure those trips would suck balls at 50.

This x100. Take as many trips as you can when you are young. Maximize your fun in college.

plus student loans are great ways to finance spring break trips.

True story, ben ji's dad is a year younger than his mom and used his student loan money to buy ben ji's mom a ring when she graduated. They got married and she ended up helping pay back his student loans.

Pretty boss move if you ask me.
That's a pretty great story, ben ji.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on April 16, 2013, 04:35:31 PM
Dave Ramsey didn't retire at 50, fwiw.

dave ramsey has made millions on rubes. he will continue to as long as there are rubes.

RIP Jeffy

Yes, he sells them on a dream of retiring at 50, which is obviously a dream he doesn't even share. He's made millions, and he could retire today if he wanted to. He doesn't want to, though. I honestly don't know any successful 50 year old who is just dying to retire. They are all making lots of money and enjoy going to work.

It's a generalization. I don't expect to "retire" for a really long time, maybe ever. It would be nice, however, to get to a point where I can live comfortably (at my standard of living) without a high income job, and I could devote more time to doing other things I enjoy, more charity work, etc. That's what saving a crap-ton and getting rid of debt buys you: freedom to do what you want while maintaining the standard of living you want, and not having to wait until you're 70 to get there.

And you don't have to be a monk to do it. It's all about balance. I have plenty of fun and do plenty of traveling - I'm just not constantly pissing away money on little daily purchases like fast food, booze, the newest clothes, etc.

So you can rationalize all you want about all those great credit card benefits - you're still pissing away money. And you can rationalize all you want about getting a way better return on your investments than you are paying in student loan interest - you're still in debt, and that debt doesn't go away if things come crashing down. Call the Dave Ramsey people rubes if you want - and I'll agree that his advice is very rudimentary - but financial freedom is nothing to laugh at.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 16, 2013, 04:38:01 PM
Fast food and booze are pretty cheap if you do it right.  :dunno:
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 16, 2013, 04:39:03 PM
How is fast food pissing your money away? I mean, you could eat a nice meal off the dollar menu at most fast food places for $3. It's incredibly unhealthy, but I wouldn't really consider it to be an outlandish expense.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Cartierfor3 on April 16, 2013, 04:41:05 PM
Be friends with people different than yourself. If you're a Christian hang out with some atheists. If you're a democrat become friends with some republicans. Etc.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: ChiComCat on April 16, 2013, 04:49:39 PM
How is fast food pissing your money away? I mean, you could eat a nice meal off the dollar menu at most fast food places for $3. It's incredibly unhealthy, but I wouldn't really consider it to be an outlandish expense.

Most times I go and get fast food, I end up spending about $8-10. 

Regardless, clothes is something I don't get his complaining on.  I have bought nice shoes/suits/work shirts and while more expensive up front, they last way longer than cheap crap.  I agree with SD that for most things, shopping around and buying quality is way better than cheap stuff.  I used to buy mediocre looking clothes because they were cheap and they just end up sitting in the closet while I wear the nice stuff.
Title: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: steve dave on April 16, 2013, 05:00:41 PM
So you can rationalize all you want about all those great credit card benefits - you're still pissing away money.

The only people pissing away money because of credit cards are people that shouldn't be trusted with their own finances to begin with.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 16, 2013, 05:01:18 PM
How is fast food pissing your money away? I mean, you could eat a nice meal off the dollar menu at most fast food places for $3. It's incredibly unhealthy, but I wouldn't really consider it to be an outlandish expense.

Most times I go and get fast food, I end up spending about $8-10

Regardless, clothes is something I don't get his complaining on.  I have bought nice shoes/suits/work shirts and while more expensive up front, they last way longer than cheap crap.  I agree with SD that for most things, shopping around and buying quality is way better than cheap stuff.  I used to buy mediocre looking clothes because they were cheap and they just end up sitting in the closet while I wear the nice stuff.
Good god man, what do you order?
Title: Re: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Rams on April 16, 2013, 05:15:55 PM
So you can rationalize all you want about all those great credit card benefits - you're still pissing away money.

The only people pissing away money because of credit cards are people that shouldn't be trusted with their own finances to begin with.
...or sharp objects
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: wiley on April 16, 2013, 05:17:03 PM
Move away from where you grew up.  Like go to college in another region, or take your first job in another region.  I took my first job on the gulf coast.  Looking back i wish i had gone to school somewhere else as well.  As many have pointed out, students loans have many extra benefits besides books and tuition.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: StevieWonderSniperSchool on April 16, 2013, 05:51:57 PM
One of my favorite quotes.

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover."
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Domino on April 16, 2013, 07:55:35 PM
Re: the debate between doing what you and love and income, studies show the the sweet spot between people being happy with their lives in and income is roughly between $50,000 - $75,000 a year.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/learnvest/2012/04/24/the-salary-that-will-make-you-happy-hint-its-less-than-75000/

SD is right as well. Traveling and experiences (concerts, sporting events, etc.) are the best way to spend your money, because they are the most memorable and tend to be the things we enjoy the most.

<---- still very young
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: michigancat on April 16, 2013, 08:03:39 PM
Re: the debate between doing what you and love and income, studies show the the sweet spot between people being happy with their lives in and income is roughly between $50,000 - $75,000 a year.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/learnvest/2012/04/24/the-salary-that-will-make-you-happy-hint-its-less-than-75000/

SD is right as well. Traveling and experiences (concerts, sporting events, etc.) are the best way to spend your money, because they are the most memorable and tend to be the things we enjoy the most.

<---- still very young

I think that depends on where you live. I also think people lied about how happy they were.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: michigancat on April 16, 2013, 08:09:28 PM
Also, don't have a bucket list. They'll only leave you disappointed if you don't complete everything and unfulfilled once you do. Find the beauty and magic around you every day and take it all in.

Alan Watts says this a little bit better than I could (he is talking about careers but I think it applies to "bucket lists" as well): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29atSZKbmS4

So did John Michael Montgomery: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAVeMsFn1Ms
Title: Re: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Rams on April 16, 2013, 08:26:45 PM
Re: the debate between doing what you and love and income...
pro-tip: sometimes you don't have to choose. :dance:
Title: Re: Re: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: michigancat on April 16, 2013, 08:32:50 PM
Re: the debate between doing what you and love and income...
pro-tip: sometimes you don't have to choose. :dance:

no crap Sherlock
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 16, 2013, 08:35:05 PM
-start getting into the points/miles game now. it will give you baller credit and let you travel the world in first class for free for the rest of your life.

-if you are smarter than everyone make sure they know it but make sure they don't know you are making sure they know it.

-save money for retirement but spend a lot now on things you love. you can do amazing things in the prime of your life or you can sit on some money when you are old and can no longer do those things no matter how much money you saved.

-leaving a shitload of money for your kids isn't doing them any favors and they won't remember you more fondly for it.

-student loans are one of the greatest government benefits there are. use them. working 40 hours a week while going to school is never a better idea than working 10 and having a small amount of 1.6% long term debt at graduation.

-don't feel like you have to have kids just because the dickwad next door has 7. he's lying to you. he doesn't want to spend 100% of his free time at baseball games.

-but, if you want kids have them. they seem pretty great in certain situations.

-if you're feeling down just hop on an airplane and get out for a day or two.

-carry on whenever possible. usually if you think it's not possible it actually is.

-don't buy garbage, you get more than what you pay for in almost all instances. find the very best of what you are looking to buy and then find the best price for it.

-owning X really high quality Ys is better than owning >X medium quality Ys. (the number and the item aren't important and can be changed to anything).

-relationships are pretty easy, I can't provide much advice there. nature v. nurture or whatever.

-don't stay somewhere cheap because it's just a bed.

-gamble, but don't be a dumbass. it's not an investment.

-try all the less scary drugs at least once. don't do it, like, a ton though.

Have done all but the points thing.  Regret that, but fortunately work has provided same insane travel that hoarding points does.

Also, don't have a "bucket list" to accomplish when old. Do all of it when young.  I've hit any bucket list of sports in North America except the Masters ( don't love golf)... World Series, Super Bowl, derby, all national titles, baseball playoffs, America's cup, triple crown (silver charm!), Tyson Holyfield
Been to oscars and Grammys
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: sys on April 16, 2013, 08:45:40 PM
I guess I understand what some of you are saying re: find a job that you can "tolerate" and you don't need to find one that you love.  but if you have to work 8 hours a day, that's a shitload of your life that you spend just "tolerating" something.  that doesn't seem like a very good way to go through life.  :dunno:  I just can't imagine having to get up most days and spending virtually the entire day doing something that I don't love.

let's say you loved bball, had practiced bballing your whole life and were pretty good at it.  then let's say you finally decided to get a job in bball and it was really hard because tons of dumbasses also love bball and there isn't that much need for bball players.  but you finally find a bball job that pays pretty well.

you won!  you did it!  congratulations, here's your ball.  go stand in the corner over there and dribble it for 8-12 hours every day.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: _33 on April 16, 2013, 08:47:49 PM
Don't start playing a dumb instrument (trumpet, clarinet, trombone, etc) as a kid. Instead start playing a cool instrument (guitar, piano, etc) and get really good because I bet it would be awesome to be awesome at a cool instrument as an adult.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: sys on April 16, 2013, 08:48:37 PM
financial freedom is nothing to laugh at.

it's great advice for people that are too stupid to figure out anything themselves and have no impulse control whatsoever.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: DQ12 on April 16, 2013, 08:51:37 PM
have opinions, but don't be deadset on sticking to your guns about them.  let your point of view change with new experiences.  even about really important stuff.

when you think you're wrong about something, notice it, and be excited about it, because you're better now than you were.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: sys on April 16, 2013, 08:53:56 PM
i'm going to retire before 50.  hopefully substantially before.  i don't understand people that don't want to retire.  the idea of not having anything you're more interested in than whatever someone is paying you to do is pretty sad to me.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 16, 2013, 08:55:23 PM
Is financial freedom no debt at all?  Like no mortgages, car payments, insurance or anything?

Because wtf?  How does investing for retirement in your 20's clear up your Well's Fargo note on your houses?
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Teddy_Westside on April 16, 2013, 08:56:37 PM
Don't start playing a dumb instrument (trumpet, clarinet, trombone, etc) as a kid. Instead start playing a cool instrument (guitar, piano, etc) and get really good because I bet it would be awesome to be awesome at a cool instrument as an adult.

Welp, failed that one miserably.
Title: Re: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: kitten_mittons on April 16, 2013, 08:58:29 PM
Is financial freedom no debt at all?  Like no mortgages, car payments, insurance or anything?

Because wtf?  How does investing for retirement in your 20's clear up your Well's Fargo note on your houses?
Buy a 12k house with cash. Who cares if you live in a shithole, eating canned soup, during your boring young years. You can retire when you are 50 on this plan and you can go do whatever you want after that.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 16, 2013, 09:03:16 PM
i'm going to retire before 50.  hopefully substantially before.  i don't understand people that don't want to retire.  the idea of not having anything you're more interested in than whatever someone is paying you to do is pretty sad to me.

If you aren't an owner, this is true.  I remember when I wasn't a boss.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Rams on April 16, 2013, 09:04:29 PM
Re: the debate between doing what you and love and income...
pro-tip: sometimes you don't have to choose. :dance:

no crap Sherlock
well every post on this subject in this thread was written as if you can choose to do something you love or you can choose to do something that pays well. just thought it was important to note that it's not either/or.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Domino on April 16, 2013, 09:07:23 PM
Don't start playing a dumb instrument (trumpet, clarinet, trombone, etc) as a kid. Instead start playing a cool instrument (guitar, piano, etc) and get really good because I bet it would be awesome to be awesome at a cool instrument as an adult.

As a child (5th grade,) I started out on a dumb instrument (saxophone) played that for 5 years, then towards the end of that time started playing guitar. Been playing that on and off since, while I've only touched the saxophone a handful of times.

That said, I don't think I'd have as much an appreciation for the guitar and music in general if I didn't start young and on a "dumb" instrument.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on April 16, 2013, 09:08:45 PM
I wish I could go back and tell 14 year old KSC to learn a second language. That or take a personal finance class.
Title: Re: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Rams on April 16, 2013, 09:10:23 PM
I guess I understand what some of you are saying re: find a job that you can "tolerate" and you don't need to find one that you love.  but if you have to work 8 hours a day, that's a shitload of your life that you spend just "tolerating" something.  that doesn't seem like a very good way to go through life.  :dunno:  I just can't imagine having to get up most days and spending virtually the entire day doing something that I don't love.

let's say you loved bball, had practiced bballing your whole life and were pretty good at it.  then let's say you finally decided to get a job in bball and it was really hard because tons of dumbasses also love bball and there isn't that much need for bball players.  but you finally find a bball job that pays pretty well.

you won!  you did it!  congratulations, here's your ball.  go stand in the corner over there and dribble it for 8-12 hours every day.
what in the love of eff are you talking about? how in the eff would you make good money dribbling a ball for 8-12 hours every day and who would want to do that? I didn't say find something you love to do and do it 12 hours a day for a living. don't be a dumbass. I said you should do something you love doing every day. it's a pretty important distinction.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: michigancat on April 16, 2013, 09:12:27 PM
Re: the debate between doing what you and love and income...
pro-tip: sometimes you don't have to choose. :dance:

no crap Sherlock
well every post on this subject in this thread was written as if you can choose to do something you love or you can choose to do something that pays well. just thought it was important to note that it's not either/or.

mine weren't
Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Rams on April 16, 2013, 09:19:44 PM
Re: the debate between doing what you and love and income...
pro-tip: sometimes you don't have to choose. :dance:

no crap Sherlock
well every post on this subject in this thread was written as if you can choose to do something you love or you can choose to do something that pays well. just thought it was important to note that it's not either/or.

mine weren't
I was pointing this out to all the other people that chimed in wanting to make it a choice.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: _33 on April 16, 2013, 09:33:51 PM
Don't get a cat as a kitten because you have no idea what their temperament will be like when they grow up.  They could be really mean and terrible to be around.  If you must get a cat go to a shelter and spend some time with a few cats and ask about their temperament so that you know what you're getting into.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Cartierfor3 on April 16, 2013, 09:59:55 PM
Don't start playing a dumb instrument (trumpet, clarinet, trombone, etc) as a kid. Instead start playing a cool instrument (guitar, piano, etc) and get really good because I bet it would be awesome to be awesome at a cool instrument as an adult.

Learn as many instruments as you can. "Dumb" or "Cool" or other.
Title: Re: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: 8manpick on April 16, 2013, 10:01:56 PM
-start getting into the points/miles game now. it will give you baller credit and let you travel the world in first class for free for the rest of your life.

-if you are smarter than everyone make sure they know it but make sure they don't know you are making sure they know it.

-save money for retirement but spend a lot now on things you love. you can do amazing things in the prime of your life or you can sit on some money when you are old and can no longer do those things no matter how much money you saved.

-leaving a shitload of money for your kids isn't doing them any favors and they won't remember you more fondly for it.

-student loans are one of the greatest government benefits there are. use them. working 40 hours a week while going to school is never a better idea than working 10 and having a small amount of 1.6% long term debt at graduation.

-don't feel like you have to have kids just because the dickwad next door has 7. he's lying to you. he doesn't want to spend 100% of his free time at baseball games.

-but, if you want kids have them. they seem pretty great in certain situations.

-if you're feeling down just hop on an airplane and get out for a day or two.

-carry on whenever possible. usually if you think it's not possible it actually is.

-don't buy garbage, you get more than what you pay for in almost all instances. find the very best of what you are looking to buy and then find the best price for it.

-owning X really high quality Ys is better than owning >X medium quality Ys. (the number and the item aren't important and can be changed to anything).

-relationships are pretty easy, I can't provide much advice there. nature v. nurture or whatever.

-don't stay somewhere cheap because it's just a bed.

-gamble, but don't be a dumbass. it's not an investment.

-try all the less scary drugs at least once. don't do it, like, a ton though.

Have done all but the points thing.  Regret that, but fortunately work has provided same insane travel that hoarding points does.

Also, don't have a "bucket list" to accomplish when old. Do all of it when young.  I've hit any bucket list of sports in North America except the Masters ( don't love golf)... World Series, Super Bowl, derby, all national titles, baseball playoffs, America's cup, triple crown (silver charm!), Tyson Holyfield
Been to oscars and Grammys
SD wins again.
Edit: so does lsoc, meant to just quote sd though
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Rams on April 16, 2013, 10:05:58 PM
learn to cook.  not just grilling and easy crap.  like really learn to cook.  you can have a great meal any time you want and knowing how to cook like a boss is really sexy.
Title: Re: Re: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: TheHamburglar on April 16, 2013, 10:07:17 PM
Re: the debate between doing what you and love and income...
pro-tip: sometimes you don't have to choose. :dance:

no crap Sherlock

Something wrong Mich?
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: sys on April 16, 2013, 10:10:54 PM
Don't get a cat as a kitten because you have no idea what their temperament will be like when they grow up.  They could be really mean and terrible to be around.  If you must get a cat go to a shelter and spend some time with a few cats and ask about their temperament so that you know what you're getting into.

maybe good advice.  sounds good at least.  on the other hand, cats are disposable, so if you get a bad one just try again.

oth, get a puppy, not a dog.  and get a good one.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 16, 2013, 10:11:12 PM
Wait, I always check bags if over 2 days but I have a car service and bag fees paid by work.

I usually have to have 3-4 pairs of shoes so carry on is not option.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: sys on April 16, 2013, 10:20:56 PM
Wait, I always check bags if over 2 days but I have a car service and bag fees paid by work.

I usually have to have 3-4 pairs of shoes so carry on is not option.

sd gets a little crazy with the carry on stuff.
Title: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: pissclams on April 16, 2013, 10:48:57 PM
never focus on what you do have, only on what you don't
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: bones129 on April 16, 2013, 10:56:50 PM
start your own business.

 :thumbs:
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: _33 on April 16, 2013, 10:58:17 PM
Never buy a telescope.  The ones that are affordable just basically make stuff that you can already see look a little bigger.  Also they are a hassle to set up and have tons of little pieces that are easy to lose.  Also you won't actually take the time to learn how to do it right because you just want to point it at the sky and see neat stuff and it doesn't work like that.  Just look at space pictures online.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: EMAWmeister on April 16, 2013, 11:00:32 PM
One that I've really been noticing lately is to gain as much insight from your parents as possible while you can.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on April 16, 2013, 11:11:42 PM
One that I've really been noticing lately is to gain as much insight from your parents as possible while you can.

When I was a boy of fourteen, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be twenty-one, I was astonished at how much he had learned in seven years.

My dad quotes this all the time, I've stopped telling him he's right.  :dubious:
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: The Whale on April 16, 2013, 11:21:27 PM
I guess I understand what some of you are saying re: find a job that you can "tolerate" and you don't need to find one that you love.  but if you have to work 8 hours a day, that's a shitload of your life that you spend just "tolerating" something.  that doesn't seem like a very good way to go through life.  :dunno:  I just can't imagine having to get up most days and spending virtually the entire day doing something that I don't love.

You only work 40 hours a week.  I guess if you don't mind being poor the rest of the time, then don't worry about career choices -- just do what you love  :dunno:
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: cfbandyman on April 16, 2013, 11:50:07 PM
Can't remember the exact quote but it went something like this:

"No one at the end of their life wishes they had spent more time working/at the office"

While you should always work hard and do you best at your job, it pays off, you should realize there are way more important things in life like family and friends. If I could spend the rest of my life alternating between spending time with my family and porch drinking with my friends, I would be so content with my life. But you gotta work, so work in the good times around work, and do something if not love, at least tolerate and you can see yourself doing for 30+ years.
Also, if you don't love your job but can tolerate it, keep working at it, you never know when the job you love will pop up due to your credentials. Also, be kind and work well with the people you work for/with. Case in point, while I wouldn't take the job my client often reminds me that they are hiring and asks me if the town the plant is in would be something that I could see myself at long term. While mostly in light jest good work often leads to offers from those you work for, so to reiterate even if you aren't in love with your job, keep at it, you never know when that work is noticed by a company you work with and they give you an offer you can't refuse. But always be polite about it, remember you still work for someone else.

Also in the vein of keeping at it, when I was at the airport returning from site the last time out (about 2 months ago) there just happened to be some recruiters going to the KC area for Sandia National Labs, and after my project manager and I just were just talking to them about our jobs, and their jobs, and where to go to in KC, etc. one of the guys essentially told us if we were interested we should give him a call to interview for Sandia. While tempting I don't think I could live too far away from my family, friends and the 'cats just yet, especially since my job currently is pretty good, but once again, always keep at it and be friendly, you never know who you're talking to and what they may be able to do for you. Which leads me to my last point and my dad's favorite quote about work:

"It's not what you know, it's who you know"

And it only gets truer at time goes on.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: bones129 on April 17, 2013, 12:09:38 AM

Work hard at a job you like. I like leaving work every day (I own my own business) knowing I gave it my all that day, and knowing I have quality time that evening to spend with my family. Feel good about what you do and take pride in it. Invest in your retirement early, rather than late. And take in every Cat game you can.
Title: Re: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: michigancat on April 17, 2013, 01:35:12 AM
Can't remember the exact quote but it went something like this:

"No one at the end of their life wishes they had spent more time working/at the office"

,

iirc, that was Tim McGraw in the hit single "Live Like you were dying".

really, instead of reading this thread, you could just listen to country radio for a couple hours and get the same advice with a little folksy patriotism thrown in.
Title: Re: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: michigancat on April 17, 2013, 01:38:10 AM
Can't remember the exact quote but it went something like this:

"No one at the end of their life wishes they had spent more time working/at the office"

While you should always work hard and do you best at your job, it pays off, you should realize there are way more important things in life like family and friends. If I could spend the rest of my life alternating between spending time with my family and porch drinking with my friends, I would be so content with my life. But you gotta work, so work in the good times around work, and do something if not love, at least tolerate and you can see yourself doing for 30+ years.
Also, if you don't love your job but can tolerate it, keep working at it, you never know when the job you love will pop up due to your credentials. Also, be kind and work well with the people you work for/with. Case in point, while I wouldn't take the job my client often reminds me that they are hiring and asks me if the town the plant is in would be something that I could see myself at long term. While mostly in light jest good work often leads to offers from those you work for, so to reiterate even if you aren't in love with your job, keep at it, you never know when that work is noticed by a company you work with and they give you an offer you can't refuse. But always be polite about it, remember you still work for someone else.

Also in the vein of keeping at it, when I was at the airport returning from site the last time out (about 2 months ago) there just happened to be some recruiters going to the KC area for Sandia National Labs, and after my project manager and I just were just talking to them about our jobs, and their jobs, and where to go to in KC, etc. one of the guys essentially told us if we were interested we should give him a call to interview for Sandia. While tempting I don't think I could live too far away from my family, friends and the 'cats just yet, especially since my job currently is pretty good, but once again, always keep at it and be friendly, you never know who you're talking to and what they may be able to do for you. Which leads me to my last point and my dad's favorite quote about work:

"It's not what you know, it's who you know"

And it only gets truer at time goes on.

also, those are pretty lame reasons to not even call to interview. not exactly "livin like you're dyin'", bro.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: star seed 7 on April 17, 2013, 02:32:49 AM
so much of this thread i didn't do when i was young, and now that i'm old as crap it's really caught up with me.

LISTEN TO THE OLD GUYS.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Institutional Control on April 17, 2013, 05:37:50 AM
My advice is, don't take advice from others.
Title: Re: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: cfbandyman on April 17, 2013, 07:37:42 AM
Can't remember the exact quote but it went something like this:

"No one at the end of their life wishes they had spent more time working/at the office"

While you should always work hard and do you best at your job, it pays off, you should realize there are way more important things in life like family and friends. If I could spend the rest of my life alternating between spending time with my family and porch drinking with my friends, I would be so content with my life. But you gotta work, so work in the good times around work, and do something if not love, at least tolerate and you can see yourself doing for 30+ years.
Also, if you don't love your job but can tolerate it, keep working at it, you never know when the job you love will pop up due to your credentials. Also, be kind and work well with the people you work for/with. Case in point, while I wouldn't take the job my client often reminds me that they are hiring and asks me if the town the plant is in would be something that I could see myself at long term. While mostly in light jest good work often leads to offers from those you work for, so to reiterate even if you aren't in love with your job, keep at it, you never know when that work is noticed by a company you work with and they give you an offer you can't refuse. But always be polite about it, remember you still work for someone else.

Also in the vein of keeping at it, when I was at the airport returning from site the last time out (about 2 months ago) there just happened to be some recruiters going to the KC area for Sandia National Labs, and after my project manager and I just were just talking to them about our jobs, and their jobs, and where to go to in KC, etc. one of the guys essentially told us if we were interested we should give him a call to interview for Sandia. While tempting I don't think I could live too far away from my family, friends and the 'cats just yet, especially since my job currently is pretty good, but once again, always keep at it and be friendly, you never know who you're talking to and what they may be able to do for you. Which leads me to my last point and my dad's favorite quote about work:

"It's not what you know, it's who you know"

And it only gets truer at time goes on.

also, those are pretty lame reasons to not even call to interview. not exactly "livin like you're dyin'", bro.

I bet you're way cooler online too

O sorry, that was Brad Paisley,  :jerk:
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Fldermaus on April 17, 2013, 07:56:38 AM

"It's not what you know, it's who you know"

And it only gets truer at time goes on.

This is especially good advice if you are untalented -- don't hang out with or work for people who expect you to know much.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: steve dave on April 17, 2013, 08:05:43 AM

"It's not what you know, it's who you know"

And it only gets truer at time goes on.

This is especially good advice if you are untalented -- don't hang out with or work for people who expect you to know much.

It seems to be more of a crutch for the underachiever than anything.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: _33 on April 17, 2013, 08:28:16 AM
If you like a pair of ladies sunglasses buy them and wear them.  No one will know they are ladies sunglasses.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Boom Roasted on April 17, 2013, 08:30:47 AM
Go to road games as often as possible

This one is way overlooked.  Yeah all this other mumbo jumbo is great but has anyone ever had a bad time on a road trip(other than game outcome)? Seriously they are always some of the most memorable trips and you get to see how other colleges do their games and parties.  Wish I could have seen every BigXII stadium for a Cat game(nub/CO)

Also, listen to old people and chase fillies  :fatty:
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: steve dave on April 17, 2013, 08:42:57 AM
going to road games has always been pretty meh for me. it's fine and I've been to a lot but it's not exactly life advice. there are a lot of other places I'd suggest going.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: mocat on April 17, 2013, 08:44:18 AM
going to road games has always been pretty meh for me. it's fine and I've been to a lot but it's not exactly life advice. there are a lot of other places I'd suggest going.

Yes but now you know that about yourself.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Willesgirl on April 17, 2013, 09:05:51 AM
Whoever started this thread: You probably shouldn't take advice from any of these people.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: steve dave on April 17, 2013, 09:09:37 AM
Whoever started this thread: You probably shouldn't take advice from any of these people.

bullshit. there is some great advice in this thread. you just have to pay attention to who is giving it. never take advice from someone you don't look up to. if some life loser is telling you something feel free to punch him in the face. but I can tell you that most of my real life friends from this board are extremely successful in almost everything they've done. they've also all made some mistakes. if they are giving you advice on how to avoid the mistakes they've made and find the successes they've found you'd be a rough ridin' idiot not to listen.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: scottwildcat on April 17, 2013, 09:11:19 AM
Whoever started this thread: You probably shouldn't take advice from any of these people.

bullshit. there is some great advice in this thread. you just have to pay attention to who is giving it. never take advice from someone you don't look up to. if some life loser is telling you something feel free to punch him in the face. but I can tell you that most of my real life friends from this board are extremely successful in almost everything they've done. they've also all made some mistakes. if they are giving you advice on how to avoid the mistakes they've made and find the successes they've found you'd be a rough ridin' idiot not to listen.

Boom!
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: ben ji on April 17, 2013, 09:16:54 AM
The best time to look for a job is when you currently have one.

Always think one job/promotion ahead, aka how will what I am doing now look on my Resume when I apply for my next job/promotion.
Title: Re: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 17, 2013, 10:45:01 AM
Can't remember the exact quote but it went something like this:

"No one at the end of their life wishes they had spent more time working/at the office"

,

iirc, that was Tim McGraw in the hit single "Live Like you were dying".

really, instead of reading this thread, you could just listen to country radio for a couple hours and get the same advice with a little folksy patriotism thrown in.

Rounded out with som,e sweet ass domestic violence
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: michigancat on April 17, 2013, 10:50:00 AM
Can't remember the exact quote but it went something like this:

"No one at the end of their life wishes they had spent more time working/at the office"

While you should always work hard and do you best at your job, it pays off, you should realize there are way more important things in life like family and friends. If I could spend the rest of my life alternating between spending time with my family and porch drinking with my friends, I would be so content with my life. But you gotta work, so work in the good times around work, and do something if not love, at least tolerate and you can see yourself doing for 30+ years.
Also, if you don't love your job but can tolerate it, keep working at it, you never know when the job you love will pop up due to your credentials. Also, be kind and work well with the people you work for/with. Case in point, while I wouldn't take the job my client often reminds me that they are hiring and asks me if the town the plant is in would be something that I could see myself at long term. While mostly in light jest good work often leads to offers from those you work for, so to reiterate even if you aren't in love with your job, keep at it, you never know when that work is noticed by a company you work with and they give you an offer you can't refuse. But always be polite about it, remember you still work for someone else.

Also in the vein of keeping at it, when I was at the airport returning from site the last time out (about 2 months ago) there just happened to be some recruiters going to the KC area for Sandia National Labs, and after my project manager and I just were just talking to them about our jobs, and their jobs, and where to go to in KC, etc. one of the guys essentially told us if we were interested we should give him a call to interview for Sandia. While tempting I don't think I could live too far away from my family, friends and the 'cats just yet, especially since my job currently is pretty good, but once again, always keep at it and be friendly, you never know who you're talking to and what they may be able to do for you. Which leads me to my last point and my dad's favorite quote about work:

"It's not what you know, it's who you know"

And it only gets truer at time goes on.

also, those are pretty lame reasons to not even call to interview. not exactly "livin like you're dyin'", bro.

I bet you're way cooler online too

O sorry, that was Brad Paisley,  :jerk:

oh, man. :thumbs:
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: 8manpick on April 17, 2013, 10:57:46 AM
eff bitches, get money
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: KSUblumpkin on April 17, 2013, 11:55:23 AM
There is some decent advice in here.  Some of the job advice is good/bad (my perception anyhow, but each yours could be different).  Whatever you end up doing, don't let your job define you.  The very first thing I learned in my clinicals is that when I asked the client to tell me about themselves, the first response always was job related.  I hear it again and again.  I respond by saying "this is what you do, but who are you"?  Most struggle with this answer (which is the point). 

Here is my pointa job is there to give you resources needed to live.  It is my professional opinion that a lot of people forget that last part...to live.  How do you live???  Experience, think, reflect and grow.  Stop comparing yourself others, what a waste of energy.  Make mistakes but have empathy for others.  Stop trying to be perfect, perfection is an oxymoron defined differently in the eyes of others. 

Stop trying so damn hard to be different or a hipster.  Just like the movie "Fight Club" states, you are not a unique someone who makes me uncomfortable.  Originality is bull crap.  Most everything has been done before and society recycles ideas (technology, an exception but the acclimation of technology into society is the same).

Realize that to truly understand the world, you must admit that you know nothing (Socrates, not me).  It's okay to say you don't know what you don't know...that is when you learn.

Finally...just be rough ridin' present.  Live in the damn moment.  People get so focused on who they were or who they are going to be.  There is a reason most memories are of you in the third person with how you are now rather than how you were...our brains can't hold that much information. 

/end daily Blumpkin advice post.   
Title: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: steve dave on April 17, 2013, 12:06:56 PM
Good stuff
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: GCJayhawker on April 17, 2013, 12:15:20 PM
There is some decent advice in here.  Some of the job advice is good/bad (my perception anyhow, but each yours could be different).  Whatever you end up doing, don't let your job define you.  The very first thing I learned in my clinicals is that when I asked the client to tell me about themselves, the first response always was job related.  I hear it again and again.  I respond by saying "this is what you do, but who are you"?  Most struggle with this answer (which is the point). 

Here is my pointa job is there to give you resources needed to live.  It is my professional opinion that a lot of people forget that last part...to live.  How do you live???  Experience, think, reflect and grow.  Stop comparing yourself others, what a waste of energy.  Make mistakes but have empathy for others.  Stop trying to be perfect, perfection is an oxymoron defined differently in the eyes of others. 

Stop trying so damn hard to be different or a hipster.  Just like the movie "Fight Club" states, you are not a unique someone who makes me uncomfortable.  Originality is bull crap.  Most everything has been done before and society recycles ideas (technology, an exception but the acclimation of technology into society is the same).

Realize that to truly understand the world, you must admit that you know nothing (Socrates, not me).  It's okay to say you don't know what you don't know...that is when you learn.

Finally...just be rough ridin' present.  Live in the damn moment.  People get so focused on who they were or who they are going to be.  There is a reason most memories are of you in the third person with how you are now rather than how you were...our brains can't hold that much information. 

/end daily Blumpkin advice post.

 :thumbs:
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 17, 2013, 12:18:13 PM
Good points. I never talk about my current job, but that might be because i'm embarrassed of it. I like to talk about my life experiences and do as many things that I can grab my hands on too. I'm way more than who my employer is.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: michigancat on April 17, 2013, 12:42:01 PM
I disagree with everything but the "don't try to be different" advice. Music and art are constantly evolving and thinking "outside the box" can be a positive in any faction of life. the fact is, it hasn't all been done before.

(ot: someone invent a new term for "outside the box".)
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: mocat on April 17, 2013, 12:44:12 PM
Dirk does not think outside the box. Dirk eats the box, then he poops it out. Then he makes a milkshake out of it and makes you drink it.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on April 17, 2013, 12:45:11 PM
There is some decent advice in here.  Some of the job advice is good/bad (my perception anyhow, but each yours could be different).  Whatever you end up doing, don't let your job define you.  The very first thing I learned in my clinicals is that when I asked the client to tell me about themselves, the first response always was job related.  I hear it again and again.  I respond by saying "this is what you do, but who are you"?  Most struggle with this answer (which is the point). 

Here is my pointa job is there to give you resources needed to live.  It is my professional opinion that a lot of people forget that last part...to live.  How do you live???  Experience, think, reflect and grow.  Stop comparing yourself others, what a waste of energy.  Make mistakes but have empathy for others.  Stop trying to be perfect, perfection is an oxymoron defined differently in the eyes of others. 

Stop trying so damn hard to be different or a hipster.  Just like the movie "Fight Club" states, you are not a unique someone who makes me uncomfortable.  Originality is bull crap.  Most everything has been done before and society recycles ideas (technology, an exception but the acclimation of technology into society is the same).

Realize that to truly understand the world, you must admit that you know nothing (Socrates, not me).  It's okay to say you don't know what you don't know...that is when you learn.

Finally...just be rough ridin' present.  Live in the damn moment.  People get so focused on who they were or who they are going to be.  There is a reason most memories are of you in the third person with how you are now rather than how you were...our brains can't hold that much information. 

/end daily Blumpkin advice post.

Great post blump  :thumbs:
Title: Re: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: michigancat on April 17, 2013, 12:47:31 PM
I disagree with everything but the "don't try to be different" advice. Music and art are constantly evolving and thinking "outside the box" can be a positive in any faction of life. the fact is, it hasn't all been done before.

(ot: someone invent a new term for "outside the box".)

and yes, technology is the catalyst for new ideas. It has been since the dawn of mankind. There are so many new tools available to people that weren't even a year ago that the possibilities of non-recycled ideas is incredible and truly unprecedented in history.
Title: Re: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: KSUblumpkin on April 17, 2013, 01:18:00 PM
I disagree with everything but the "don't try to be different" advice. Music and art are constantly evolving and thinking "outside the box" can be a positive in any faction of life. the fact is, it hasn't all been done before.

(ot: someone invent a new term for "outside the box".)

and yes, technology is the catalyst for new ideas. It has been since the dawn of mankind. There are so many new tools available to people that weren't even a year ago that the possibilities of non-recycled ideas is incredible and truly unprecedented in history.

Art and science are so closely related to me (as both an artist and a scientist).  I'm a writer just as much as I am a scientist.  The beauty in both is unquesioned in my eyes.  I'm not debating innovation in technology/music/art.  My point is that societies processing and use of those applications remains the same.  Take the bubonic plague as an example.  Scientists invented a "new" cure for the disease, the world changed.  Now let's look at AIDS, the "new" treatments for AIDS are amazing and have extended life as a result (similar to Penicilin and the bubonic plague).  Though both are innovative/novel, the acclimation by society is the same.  To quote Jean-Baptiste Alphonse Karr: "the more things change the more they stay the same."  I side with him.  I agree that I overstated that everything has beed done before, but to someone young I think it takes a great deal of stress away from the creative process in an effort to just experience, think, reflect and grow.  My point was that young people shouldn't be afraid of who they are as there has been many people who were different yet similar to them that came before them.  My argument should have been stated such that societys' response to novel changes is quite similar.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: michigancat on April 17, 2013, 02:45:56 PM
I disagree with everything but the "don't try to be different" advice. Music and art are constantly evolving and thinking "outside the box" can be a positive in any faction of life. the fact is, it hasn't all been done before.

(ot: someone invent a new term for "outside the box".)

and yes, technology is the catalyst for new ideas. It has been since the dawn of mankind. There are so many new tools available to people that weren't even a year ago that the possibilities of non-recycled ideas is incredible and truly unprecedented in history.

Art and science are so closely related to me (as both an artist and a scientist).  I'm a writer just as much as I am a scientist.  The beauty in both is unquesioned in my eyes.  I'm not debating innovation in technology/music/art.  My point is that societies processing and use of those applications remains the same.  Take the bubonic plague as an example.  Scientists invented a "new" cure for the disease, the world changed.  Now let's look at AIDS, the "new" treatments for AIDS are amazing and have extended life as a result (similar to Penicilin and the bubonic plague).  Though both are innovative/novel, the acclimation by society is the same.  To quote Jean-Baptiste Alphonse Karr: "the more things change the more they stay the same."  I side with him.  I agree that I overstated that everything has beed done before, but to someone young I think it takes a great deal of stress away from the creative process in an effort to just experience, think, reflect and grow.  My point was that young people shouldn't be afraid of who they are as there has been many people who were different yet similar to them that came before them.  My argument should have been stated such that societys' response to novel changes is quite similar.

Was the printing press acclimated by society the same way as the internet, or mobile data the same way as the typewriter? Even if it was, why on Earth would that make originality "bullshit"?

It sounds like you're saying people shouldn't try to be creative. I would encourage everyone to be creative as long as they can learn from their failures. Sure, many will fail, but that's part of being imperfect, constantly learning, and living in the moment, right?

And I would say Karr is correct in that humanity has been progressing at unprecedented rates since the invention of language, but not in the sense that creativity is dead.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: steve dave on April 17, 2013, 03:38:58 PM
wear socks to the airport
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: puniraptor on April 17, 2013, 03:45:53 PM
never wipe from the front
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Mr Bread on April 17, 2013, 03:55:18 PM
Dirk does not think outside the box. Dirk eats the box, then he poops it out. Then he makes a milkshake out of it and makes you drink it.

Thank you for posting this.  I just googled it and have died from lolz.  Never seen it before and now I am dead. 
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Mr Bread on April 17, 2013, 03:55:54 PM
never wipe from the front

So you wipe your ass toward your balls?  Edgy.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: mocat on April 17, 2013, 03:58:18 PM
never wipe from the front

So you wipe your ass toward your balls?  Edgy.

I think you guys are on the same page here. Like, you reach your hand down behind, not from the front. And you wipe towards the back, not towards the front.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Mr Bread on April 17, 2013, 04:03:48 PM
never wipe from the front

So you wipe your ass toward your balls?  Edgy.

I think you guys are on the same page here. Like, you reach your hand down behind, not from the front. And you wipe towards the back, not towards the front.

So in puni's world wiping from the front means pulling the crap from the back towards the front, but your hand is attacking from the front so the description is determined not by the direction of the wipe but rather by the starting placement of the hand.  I was thinking more along the lines of wiping from the "front" of the butt to the "back" of the butt, which as we all know is SOP.  Thanks for clearing that up. 
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 17, 2013, 04:04:33 PM
JFC you guys.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: mocat on April 17, 2013, 04:07:11 PM
Dirk does not think outside the box. Dirk eats the box, then he poops it out. Then he makes a milkshake out of it and makes you drink it.

Thank you for posting this.  I just googled it and have died from lolz.  Never seen it before and now I am dead.

mocat's favorite part: The other dinosaurs think they are very coooool and niiiiiice
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Mr Bread on April 17, 2013, 04:09:19 PM
Dirk does not think outside the box. Dirk eats the box, then he poops it out. Then he makes a milkshake out of it and makes you drink it.

Thank you for posting this.  I just googled it and have died from lolz.  Never seen it before and now I am dead.

mocat's favorite part: The other dinosaurs think they are very coooool and niiiiiice

I plan to spend a significant amount of time watching more of his videos.
Title: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: puniraptor on April 17, 2013, 04:09:27 PM
never wipe from the front

So you wipe your ass toward your balls?  Edgy.

I think you guys are on the same page here. Like, you reach your hand down behind, not from the front. And you wipe towards the back, not towards the front.

So in puni's world wiping from the front means pulling the crap from the back towards the front, but your hand is attacking from the front so the description is determined not by the direction of the wipe but rather by the starting placement of the hand.  I was thinking more along the lines of wiping from the "front" of the butt to the "back" of the butt, which as we all know is SOP.  Thanks for clearing that up.

Right, I meant don't access from the front and wipe towards your balls.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: mocat on April 17, 2013, 04:17:07 PM
Dirk does not think outside the box. Dirk eats the box, then he poops it out. Then he makes a milkshake out of it and makes you drink it.

Thank you for posting this.  I just googled it and have died from lolz.  Never seen it before and now I am dead.

mocat's favorite part: The other dinosaurs think they are very coooool and niiiiiice

I plan to spend a significant amount of time watching more of his videos.

Why Breaking Bad is great is great. Also him recording the Game of Thrones theme in a public bathroom with a collection of brass instruments.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: KSUblumpkin on April 17, 2013, 04:21:25 PM
I disagree with everything but the "don't try to be different" advice. Music and art are constantly evolving and thinking "outside the box" can be a positive in any faction of life. the fact is, it hasn't all been done before.

(ot: someone invent a new term for "outside the box".)

and yes, technology is the catalyst for new ideas. It has been since the dawn of mankind. There are so many new tools available to people that weren't even a year ago that the possibilities of non-recycled ideas is incredible and truly unprecedented in history.

Art and science are so closely related to me (as both an artist and a scientist).  I'm a writer just as much as I am a scientist.  The beauty in both is unquesioned in my eyes.  I'm not debating innovation in technology/music/art.  My point is that societies processing and use of those applications remains the same.  Take the bubonic plague as an example.  Scientists invented a "new" cure for the disease, the world changed.  Now let's look at AIDS, the "new" treatments for AIDS are amazing and have extended life as a result (similar to Penicilin and the bubonic plague).  Though both are innovative/novel, the acclimation by society is the same.  To quote Jean-Baptiste Alphonse Karr: "the more things change the more they stay the same."  I side with him.  I agree that I overstated that everything has beed done before, but to someone young I think it takes a great deal of stress away from the creative process in an effort to just experience, think, reflect and grow.  My point was that young people shouldn't be afraid of who they are as there has been many people who were different yet similar to them that came before them.  My argument should have been stated such that societys' response to novel changes is quite similar.

Was the printing press acclimated by society the same way as the internet, or mobile data the same way as the typewriter? Even if it was, why on Earth would that make originality "bullshit"?

It sounds like you're saying people shouldn't try to be creative. I would encourage everyone to be creative as long as they can learn from their failures. Sure, many will fail, but that's part of being imperfect, constantly learning, and living in the moment, right?

And I would say Karr is correct in that humanity has been progressing at unprecedented rates since the invention of language, but not in the sense that creativity is dead.

Yes.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 17, 2013, 04:34:29 PM
Just getting to this thread, and relating to ben ji's dad's story:

Young Emo EMAW met a girl that he decided he would rather be poor and have her than rich without her, so he made the cardinal sin of pulling a loan from his 401k to buy the ring.  It ended up working out because he paid back the loan after the crash and they're planning a trip to the Basque country where she will buy him a fine Spanish side-by-side. 
Title: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: puniraptor on April 17, 2013, 06:34:35 PM
inject snake venom
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Mr Bread on April 17, 2013, 06:38:06 PM
Pretty sure you're just supposed to take whiffs of that stuff for maximum healthful effects.  Five second inhale before bed and you're on your way to a better you. 
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: cfbandyman on April 17, 2013, 10:31:40 PM
Can't remember the exact quote but it went something like this:

"No one at the end of their life wishes they had spent more time working/at the office"

While you should always work hard and do you best at your job, it pays off, you should realize there are way more important things in life like family and friends. If I could spend the rest of my life alternating between spending time with my family and porch drinking with my friends, I would be so content with my life. But you gotta work, so work in the good times around work, and do something if not love, at least tolerate and you can see yourself doing for 30+ years.
Also, if you don't love your job but can tolerate it, keep working at it, you never know when the job you love will pop up due to your credentials. Also, be kind and work well with the people you work for/with. Case in point, while I wouldn't take the job my client often reminds me that they are hiring and asks me if the town the plant is in would be something that I could see myself at long term. While mostly in light jest good work often leads to offers from those you work for, so to reiterate even if you aren't in love with your job, keep at it, you never know when that work is noticed by a company you work with and they give you an offer you can't refuse. But always be polite about it, remember you still work for someone else.

Also in the vein of keeping at it, when I was at the airport returning from site the last time out (about 2 months ago) there just happened to be some recruiters going to the KC area for Sandia National Labs, and after my project manager and I just were just talking to them about our jobs, and their jobs, and where to go to in KC, etc. one of the guys essentially told us if we were interested we should give him a call to interview for Sandia. While tempting I don't think I could live too far away from my family, friends and the 'cats just yet, especially since my job currently is pretty good, but once again, always keep at it and be friendly, you never know who you're talking to and what they may be able to do for you. Which leads me to my last point and my dad's favorite quote about work:

"It's not what you know, it's who you know"

And it only gets truer at time goes on.

also, those are pretty lame reasons to not even call to interview. not exactly "livin like you're dyin'", bro.

I bet you're way cooler online too

O sorry, that was Brad Paisley,  :jerk:

oh, man. :thumbs:

 :thumbs:
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on April 17, 2013, 10:42:58 PM
Dirk does not think outside the box. Dirk eats the box, then he poops it out. Then he makes a milkshake out of it and makes you drink it.

Thank you for posting this.  I just googled it and have died from lolz.  Never seen it before and now I am dead.

mocat's favorite part: The other dinosaurs think they are very coooool and niiiiiice

I plan to spend a significant amount of time watching more of his videos.

Why Breaking Bad is great is great. Also him recording the Game of Thrones theme in a public bathroom with a collection of brass instruments.

Thanks, titties of Walt!!!  :lol:

The daddy long legs one gets me too
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: GoodForAnother on April 18, 2013, 09:00:12 PM
The biggest thing that I tell patients is to differentiate between happiness and contentment.  Happiness is fleeting and you cannot be happy all the time.  I hear young people say: "I just want to be happy", and blame themselves/others when they are not.  Its a destructive cycle of searching for a feeling that cannot be maintained.  Be content with the fact you did your effing best...no shame in that my young Cats.  The pursuit of happiness should really be the pursuit of contentment.  To any young Cats out there...be content and enjoy the waves of happiness when they wash on your shore, but like the tides..happiness will recede.  Find contentment in the little things and knowing that this life you have lived (good or bad) is something that has meant something to someone.  Smile knowing you have simply lived.  People take for granted life each day and forget how rare it is in this entire universe. 

/end serious Blumpkin post.

Sidenote: chase a few fillies in there too.

this was great. had a shitty day and found the cure on goEMAW. didn't see that coming.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Stupid Fitz on April 12, 2023, 01:12:04 PM
10 year bump here fellas. If you have a family please get a will. It rough ridin' sucks so rough ridin' bad for the people that have to deal with your crap if you don't. or if you really hate your kids/family, also don't have a will and also have a whore bitch girlfriend to throw into the mix.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Spracne on April 12, 2023, 01:14:22 PM
10 year bump here fellas. If you have a family please get a will. It rough ridin' sucks so rough ridin' bad for the people that have to deal with your crap if you don't. or if you really hate your kids/family, also don't have a will and also have a whore bitch girlfriend to throw into the mix.

Sounds like there's a story here you need to get off your chest.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: ChiComCat on April 12, 2023, 01:22:16 PM
Sorry about whatever terrible crap you seem to be going through SF.  It sounds like a lot.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: cfbandyman on April 12, 2023, 02:27:32 PM
NGL I need to get one for myself. But it's still "just me" and most of my stuff is org'd to my parents, but can't do that forever.

Also, hope things work out SF
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Stupid Fitz on April 12, 2023, 03:08:04 PM
10 year bump here fellas. If you have a family please get a will. It rough ridin' sucks so rough ridin' bad for the people that have to deal with your crap if you don't. or if you really hate your kids/family, also don't have a will and also have a whore bitch girlfriend to throw into the mix.

Sounds like there's a story here you need to get off your chest.

Its just a constant kick in the nuts and a reminder that there are a lot of awful human beings out there.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: star seed 7 on April 12, 2023, 03:38:26 PM
so much of this thread i didn't do when i was young, and now that i'm old as crap it's really caught up with me.

LISTEN TO THE OLD GUYS.

Well now I'm even older than crap and all the financial crap is fixed so my new advice is that it all works out in the end so don't worry about that crap when you're young.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Skipper44 on April 12, 2023, 03:49:10 PM


-don't feel like you have to have kids just because the dickwad next door has 7. he's lying to you. he doesn't want to spend 100% of his free time at baseball games.

lol
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Spracne on April 12, 2023, 03:50:26 PM


-don't feel like you have to have kids just because the dickwad next door has 7. he's lying to you. he doesn't want to spend 100% of his free time at baseball games.

lol

:lol:
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: mocat on April 12, 2023, 03:50:34 PM
oh wow
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: star seed 7 on April 12, 2023, 03:52:08 PM
Son of a bitch, I had that one qued up next
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Pete on April 12, 2023, 04:14:20 PM
Don't hold grudges. Practice forgiving people.

I can't believe how many people I meet who don't speak to their mother, father, sister, brother, etc. We all have flaws, and even if the other person is in the wrong, approach them and seek peace. When you hold onto a grudge, you punish only yourself.

Forgiving people is freeing. Try it.


Also, have time every week where you do nothing but sit outdoors with your thoughts. Even if only for a few minutes.
This is wonderful advice.
Title: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Pete on April 12, 2023, 04:18:46 PM
For the young people, choose a job/career that you are good at, where you believe you will learn a lot, and that you don’t hate the job. Then 10,000 work hours later (give or take), you will get the $, colleagues and contacts, and accomplishments that allow you to be content with your vocation.  Maybe if you get lucky, you will develop a passion for it.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Pete on April 12, 2023, 04:19:41 PM
Also, if you think you are good at nothing, you are wrong.  But if you insist, then just choose something you suck at less.
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Pete on April 12, 2023, 04:20:10 PM
Also, very important to not hate it. 
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: puniraptor on April 12, 2023, 09:23:37 PM
try sometimes
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: CHONGS on April 12, 2023, 10:24:48 PM
Everybody hurts, sometimes
Title: Re: General Advice You'd Give Someone Younger
Post by: Stupid Fitz on April 13, 2023, 08:22:53 AM
Don't hold grudges. Practice forgiving people.

I can't believe how many people I meet who don't speak to their mother, father, sister, brother, etc. We all have flaws, and even if the other person is in the wrong, approach them and seek peace. When you hold onto a grudge, you punish only yourself.

Forgiving people is freeing. Try it.


Also, have time every week where you do nothing but sit outdoors with your thoughts. Even if only for a few minutes.
This is wonderful advice.

This does not apply to your dad's stupid bitch whore girlfriend though. Other than that, its good advice probably.