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Brucing...
Brett Regan ?@brettregan 25s
K-State coach oscar Weber announced Monday that freshman guard Michael Orris will leave the program and transfer to another school.
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that doesn't suck but our non-con backup PG play will!
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will take.
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:emawkid: :billdance: :emawkid:
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Well, I guess this just proves to Orris that his dad doesn't love him as much as other players' dads do.
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damn it.
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If the replacement is better (which doesn't seem like it would be real hard to do), this is a very good move.
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Kinda sucks since it seemed like we passed up on Josh Gray last year for Orris, just to give him the boot the next year? :dunno:
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Kinda sucks since it seemed like we passed up on Josh Gray last year for Orris, just to give him the boot the next year? :dunno:
Yes, this is the worst part of the whole thing. Though I contend that with the timing of Gray's recruitment, that its likely Gray was coming if Angel left. Once Angel stayed he was out, though that's speculation.
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Good news. Now let's get that Seton Hall transfer or Severe
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Kinda sucks since it seemed like we passed up on Josh Gray last year for Orris, just to give him the boot the next year? :dunno:
Yes, this is the worst part of the whole thing. Though I contend that with the timing of Gray's recruitment, that its likely Gray was coming if Angel left. Once Angel stayed he was out, though that's speculation.
That makes sense. good point.
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Kinda sucks since it seemed like we passed up on Josh Gray last year for Orris, just to give him the boot the next year? :dunno:
Yes, this is the worst part of the whole thing. Though I contend that with the timing of Gray's recruitment, that its likely Gray was coming if Angel left. Once Angel stayed he was out, though that's speculation.
but it makes sense. we weren't going to start gray and angel.
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If the replacement is better (which doesn't seem like it would be real hard to do), this is a very good move.
Haven't I read/heard somewhere that the Jevon Thomas kid is already in town, although he can't play until spring semester next year?
If so, he's probably been DESTROYING Orris in open gym runs and the kid saw the writing on the wall.
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I like the way oscar handled this much better than the way Frank used to.
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If the replacement is better (which doesn't seem like it would be real hard to do), this is a very good move.
Haven't I read/heard somewhere that the Jevon Thomas kid is already in town, although he can't play until spring semester next year?
If so, he's probably been DESTROYING Orris in open gym runs and the kid saw the writing on the wall.
Yes, this is likely.
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Better hope we bring in a combo guard. Very excited about all of this. Keeping up on the new recruit, knowing that oscar has the balls to oscar someone, having a competent back-up PG for the first semester.....
Also, maybe after this we will be able to define Franking and Brucing correctly. To me, Franking is when you run someone off to bring in a worse player. Hopefully Brucing is when you run off someone for a better player.
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Adrian will probably be the next one voted off the island. Maybe oscar can get M'Baye or Osby (and his sweet face-up game) to transfer here.
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good for weber. the illinois posters said he wouldn't do it, but they were wrong. he has learned.
now go do johnson, websie!
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This is a Weber April Fool's day move if I have ever seen one.
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good for weber. the illinois posters said he wouldn't do it, but they were wrong. he has learned.
now go do johnson, websie!
Is it bad to oscar an entire recruiting class? What is normal attrition at an elite, conference championship-winning BBall mecca, anyway?
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Adrian will probably be the next one voted off the island. Maybe oscar can get M'Baye or Osby (and his sweet face-up game) to transfer here.
My $$ is on Diaz Red Shirting
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Why would we RS a big? We are short on them for next season as it is. We can't RS him or oscar him unless/until we sign someone that could replace him immediately.
I have no illusions of him being anything more than a warm body that knows the system, but you don't make a 7' warm body unavailable unless you have another one as good or better to plug in his place.
oscar isn't Brucing him unless something big breaks.
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Why would we RS a big? We are short on them for next season as it is. We can't RS him or oscar him unless/until we sign someone that could replace him immediately.
I have no illusions of him being anything more than a warm body that knows the system, but you don't make a 7' warm body unavailable unless you have another one as good or better to plug in his place.
oscar isn't Brucing him unless something big breaks.
Can we stop using the word break please? :barf:
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Adrian will probably be the next one voted off the island. Maybe oscar can get M'Baye or Osby (and his sweet face-up game) to transfer here.
What's with the Osby references?
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Why would we RS a big? We are short on them for next season as it is. We can't RS him or oscar him unless/until we sign someone that could replace him immediately.
I have no illusions of him being anything more than a warm body that knows the system, but you don't make a 7' warm body unavailable unless you have another one as good or better to plug in his place.
oscar isn't Brucing him unless something big breaks.
:facepalm:
Yes, we should keep a 'warm body' available...that'll get us another CC
Besides, there is a quote from oscar basically saying he things Diaz can be a force if he gets stronger & may need a RS...trying to find it, I think it was in the TCJ season wrap up article
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(getting stronger)..."That’s also the case for 6-foot-10 junior-to-be Adrian Diaz, who remains a redshirt possibility.
“He has a lot of ability,” Weber said. “I told him and his family somewhere down the line he should have redshirted. Whether that’s next year for us, we just have to work with him and see if we can get him stronger and where he can be a factor.”
http://cjonline.com/sports/2013-03-28/weber-reflects-first-season-k-state
I am aware that is Luked but apparently some missed it
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Kelly Olynyk was redshirted his junior year and look at his stats!!! :emawkid: :emawkid:
2012-13 GONZ 26.4 6.7-10.7 .629 0.3-0.9 .300 4.1-5.3 .776 7.3 1.7 1.1 0.7 2.3 2.4 17.8
2010-11 GONZ 13.5 2.1-3.7 .574 0.3-0.8 .444 1.2-1.9 .618 3.8 0.7 0.1 0.3 1.6 1.2 5.8
2009-10 GONZ 12.3 1.4-2.9 .500 0.1-0.5 .222 0.8-1.4 .596 2.7 0.8 0.1 0.5 2.0 0.6 3.8
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“He has a lot of ability,” Weber said.
I believed this a year ago. I'm not sure I believe it anymore.
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“He has a lot of ability,” Weber said.
I believed this a year ago. I'm not sure I believe it anymore.
Coach Speak (or Coach Squeak if you prefer)
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I think people are correct re: angel and gray wouldn't play together anyway. Especially since oscar can't/didn't utilize a 7footer to protect the rim - couldn't have those two playing defense without that type of backstop.
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LOL at making Diaz a RS project. It's not like he has shown skill that just needs a third yr of college and some weights to make it so that he can perform said skill. They kid will be a junior next year. One whose sole purpose in life has been to lift weights and play bb with and against other legitimate D1 players for almost two full years as of right now. we should have witnessed more improvement both in skill and in durability, strength, whatevs than we have to date. RS'ing him will only further deplete a bigs corp that is already being depleted with the lost of JO to the point of us having no one available over 6'-7".
Going into conf like that seems like a bad idea.
Bolster the kid up on the D side as much as you can and ride with it. Play for this coming year.
Also, holy crap on a possible Olyniyk comapro.
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(getting stronger)..."That’s also the case for 6-foot-10 junior-to-be Adrian Diaz, who remains a redshirt possibility.
“He has a lot of ability,” Weber said. “I told him and his family somewhere down the line he should have redshirted. Whether that’s next year for us, we just have to work with him and see if we can get him stronger and where he can be a factor.”
http://cjonline.com/sports/2013-03-28/weber-reflects-first-season-k-state
I am aware that is Luked but apparently some missed it
oscar just keeps slapping Greenawalt right in the face :horrorsurprise:
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I guess I'm confused what the downside of redshirting Diaz is.
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I guess I'm confused what the downside of redshirting Diaz is.
our depth at the bigs spot
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I guess I'm confused what the downside of redshirting Diaz is.
having 2 non-frosh bigs on the active roster neither being over 6'8". I'm fine running him but we would need to replace him with another big.
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It's not like he has shown skill that just needs a third yr of college and some weights
I don't hate Diaz when he comes in. He usually turns the ball over once or twice, but he also has shown decent touch around the rim and made somewhat athletic plays in garbage time. So yeah, I disagree. I think a red shirt year would do Diaz quite a bit of good. However I think we need him next year so I don't think it will happen. It should have happened last year if it was going to.
As for Orris leaving. If anyone was going to be oscar'd it pretty much had to be him. However, he was really hot so that makes me kind of sad. Where do you guys think he goes? Back home?
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I guess I'm confused what the downside of redshirting Diaz is.
Height.
Our current bigs that will play next yr will be Gip, Shane, Nino. 6'-7"ish, 6'-4" ish, and 6'-4" ish.
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And DJamer... but that doesn't change your point.
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our depth at the bigs spot
We'll have 3. It's not like we used our 4th (Diaz) this past year.
having 2 non-frosh bigs on the active roster neither being over 6'8"
I'd love to have a competent 6'10" guy too, but Diaz is not that guy.
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It's not like he has shown skill that just needs a third yr of college and some weights
I don't hate Diaz when he comes in. He usually turns the ball over once or twice, but he also has shown decent touch around the rim and made somewhat athletic plays in garbage time. So yeah, I disagree. I think a red shirt year would do Diaz quite a bit of good. However I think we need him next year so I don't think it will happen. It should have happened last year if it was going to.
As for Orris leaving. If anyone was going to be oscar'd it pretty much had to be him. However, he was really hot so that makes me kind of sad. Where do you guys think he goes? Back home?
I can't take anything in your post serious.
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I hope DJamer never cuts his hair for his whole career here
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And DJamer... but that doesn't change your point.
Yeah, forgot about him.
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having 2 non-frosh bigs on the active roster neither being over 6'8"
I'd love to have a competent 6'10" guy too, but Diaz is not that guy.
sometimes you have to settle for just having a 6'10" guy
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I guess I'm confused what the downside of redshirting Diaz is.
Depends on the line-up I suppose, but sizable depth could be an issue.
Right now we have Gip (6-7), DJamer (6-8), Diaz (6-10), and Fincher (6-9) as our biggest players next year. Then Nino (6-5) and Shane (6-6). The interesting things is that most of the time Diaz played, he was in at the 4 spot while Nino or Shane were out.
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LOL at making Diaz a RS project. It's not like he has shown skill that just needs a third yr of college and some weights to make it so that he can perform said skill. They kid will be a junior next year. One whose sole purpose in life has been to lift weights and play bb with and against other legitimate D1 players for almost two full years as of right now. we should have witnessed more improvement both in skill and in durability, strength, whatevs than we have to date. RS'ing him will only further deplete a bigs corp that is already being depleted with the lost of JO to the point of us having no one available over 6'-7".
Going into conf like that seems like a bad idea.
Bolster the kid up on the D side as much as you can and ride with it. Play for this coming year.
Also, holy crap on a possible Olyniyk comapro.
So, let me see if I can sum up your thoughts...
Diaz is terrible, and you haven't seen any promise of potential...yet we need him next year. :horrorsurprise:
Do I have that about right?
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LOL at making Diaz a RS project. It's not like he has shown skill that just needs a third yr of college and some weights to make it so that he can perform said skill. They kid will be a junior next year. One whose sole purpose in life has been to lift weights and play bb with and against other legitimate D1 players for almost two full years as of right now. we should have witnessed more improvement both in skill and in durability, strength, whatevs than we have to date. RS'ing him will only further deplete a bigs corp that is already being depleted with the lost of JO to the point of us having no one available over 6'-7".
Going into conf like that seems like a bad idea.
Bolster the kid up on the D side as much as you can and ride with it. Play for this coming year.
Also, holy crap on a possible Olyniyk comapro.
So, let me see if I can sum up your thoughts...
Diaz is terrible, not a legitimate D1 player and you haven't seen any promise of potential...yet we need him next year. :horrorsurprise:
Do I have that about right?
No, I never said he isn't a legit D1 kid. Also didn't say he was terrible. What I said is that he isn't a project that we need to delay the use of. We need height.
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As for Orris leaving. If anyone was going to be oscar'd it pretty much had to be him. However, he was really hot so that makes me kind of sad. Where do you guys think he goes? Back home?
I can't take anything in your post serious.
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Orris was a good looking kid. I liked his ink too.
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Orris was a good looking kid. I liked his ink too.
I like his right arm. His left arm, not so much.
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diaz has definitely shown skill. rsing him would be unconventional, since we lack big depth, but could make some sense since he's shown a lot more offensively than defensively.
it'd be nice to trade out johnson for another big. but i don't know if it's absolutely necc. in order to rs diaz. they'd have 3 bigs to throw at one position without him. gippy should eat about 25 of those minutes himself.
if you don't rs diaz, you have 4 bigs, none of whom are good enough to justify putting a guard on the bench to play two at a time. either you're talking about diaz continuing to sit on the bench or you're talking about him giving you 15 minutes/game while your other two bigs that are (prolly) about equally as effective sit on the bench. either way, you don't lose a ton by rsing him unless he comes out of the summer vastly improved.
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Did Orris commit to Illinois before or after oscar started recruiting the type of players HE wanted to and not the type the fans wanted?
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LOL at making Diaz a RS project. It's not like he has shown skill that just needs a third yr of college and some weights to make it so that he can perform said skill. They kid will be a junior next year. One whose sole purpose in life has been to lift weights and play bb with and against other legitimate D1 players for almost two full years as of right now. we should have witnessed more improvement both in skill and in durability, strength, whatevs than we have to date. RS'ing him will only further deplete a bigs corp that is already being depleted with the lost of JO to the point of us having no one available over 6'-7".
Going into conf like that seems like a bad idea.
Bolster the kid up on the D side as much as you can and ride with it. Play for this coming year.
Also, holy crap on a possible Olyniyk comapro.
So, let me see if I can sum up your thoughts...
Diaz is terrible, not a legitimate D1 player and you haven't seen any promise of potential...yet we need him next year. :horrorsurprise:
Do I have that about right?
No, I never said he isn't a legit D1 kid. Also didn't say he was terrible. What I said is that he isn't a project that we need to delay the use of. We need height.
Yea, I removed the legitimate D1 thing when I read your post closer...
We do need height...but we needed height THIS YEAR, and oscar consistently went with a lineup that had our biggest guy on the court as Gipson. I think oscar THINKS he can win with bigs of Gipson/DJamer/Fincher/Nino (I refuse to lable Shane as a 'big' even though he played/plays the 4), while giving Diaz another year to get stronger...after all, if he sits a year, and is still a skinny rail, he is still tall for 14-15
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oscar threw JO at a couple teams because of the height need. Next year we will have the same need but without Diaz, won't have any height to do so.
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Did Orris commit to Illinois before or after oscar started recruiting the type of players HE wanted to and not the type the fans wanted?
before. it didn't even occur to weber that he didn't have to keep orris until just now. that's how oppressive the illinois fans' recruiting pressure was.
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I thought this thread was going to be about apathy setting in around K-State basketball.
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oscar threw JO at a couple teams because of the height need. Next year we will have the same need but without Diaz, won't have any height to do so.
if we still had jhr, it'd be ridiculous to rs hypothetical jhr. but diaz doesn't play big, especially defensively, so you aren't really reducing the toolbox at your disposal.
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I thought this thread was going to be about apathy setting in around K-State basketball.
apathy and spring recruiting cannot coexist.
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oscar threw JO at a couple teams because of the height need. Next year we will have the same need but without Diaz, won't have any height to do so.
if we still had jhr, it'd be ridiculous to rs hypothetical jhr. but diaz doesn't play big, especially defensively, so you aren't really reducing the toolbox at your disposal.
If this is the case, we should just oscar him rather than RSing him. The other bigs have shown more ability to score.
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Also, what are we savin Diaz for in 15/16 for? To anchor a post ART team? Screw that. We should be building for Angel's Senior year and RS a marginal big in a time when we need size does not help that.
Diaz can score fine, but needs to spend the offseason chugging protein shakes and living his life like Mutumbo in that commercial.
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It would seem that Fincher might be as big of a RS candidate (if not bigger) than Diaz because his scouting says he is pretty raw offensively. Of course one of his biggest strengths coming in is shot blocking, so perhaps he will be an option as the "backstop of our defense".
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I thought this thread was going to be about apathy setting in around K-State basketball.
I'm sure someone else will start an apathy thread.
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I was hoping Diaz could be come a Jamar type of player (at least on O) when he had that run of 6 conference games where he averaged 5 and 5 in 20 minutes. He has still managed to be 50+% fg shooter in both his seasons, I hope he stays.
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If this is the case, we should just oscar him rather than RSing him. The other bigs have shown more ability to score.
gippy has. johnson definitely has not. the freshman, who knows, but the reports trend towards the idea that he'd have trouble scoring on an empty court.
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It would seem that Fincher might be as big of a RS candidate (if not bigger) than Diaz because his scouting says he is pretty raw offensively. Of course one of his biggest strengths coming in is shot blocking, so perhaps he will be an option as the "backstop of our defense".
i've talked myself into diaz making more sense, since he gives you the same thing as gippy (but not as good), offensive ability but poor defense. fincher, in theory would be the opposite.
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Sys, if you had to choose right now, do you take DJamer or Diaz as your back up 5 next yr?
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It would seem that Fincher might be as big of a RS candidate (if not bigger) than Diaz because his scouting says he is pretty raw offensively. Of course one of his biggest strengths coming in is shot blocking, so perhaps he will be an option as the "backstop of our defense".
i've talked myself into diaz making more sense, since he gives you the same thing as gippy (but not as good), offensive ability but poor defense. fincher, in theory would be the opposite.
At least Gip showed to be a pretty good rebounder (both ends). Diaz's deboarding was only better than Angel's (and barely better) and his oboarding was the worst of the bigs. Limited minutes could factor into that though, but I'm not sure how much.
Fincher will be interesting to see.
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I hope DJamer never cuts his hair for his whole career here
I said that about Tay and look what happened.
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I hope DJamer never cuts his hair for his whole career here
i dont think that's his hair
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I hope DJamer never cuts his hair for his whole career here
i dont think that's his hair
whatev, i hope he gets progressively longer weave.
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I hope DJamer never cuts his hair for his whole career here
i dont think that's his hair
whatev, i hope he gets progressively longer weave.
If it got Carl Hall in to the FF then maybe worth doing? :dunno:
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Diaz's deboarding was only better than Angel's (and barely better) and his oboarding was the worst of the bigs.
yeah.
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Sys, if you had to choose right now, do you take DJamer or Diaz as your back up 5 next yr?
i frank johnson and rs diaz.
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Height is overrated. Should be fine, Gip and Shane both have 7'+ wing spans. Everybody should expect for DJamer to make a big jump. Gip should loose some more weight. Fincher should be able to come in and defend, really raw offensively, but has some good length.
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I hope DJamer never cuts his hair for his whole career here
Carl Hall cut his hair and remainded a badass (reminded me of the days of the Junkyard Cats).
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I still haven't read a good logical reason to RS anyone. This isn't football. Either recruit over diaz via juco or transfer or don't RS anyone so they have it available when you oscar them after next year.
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I still haven't read a good logical reason to RS anyone. This isn't football. Either recruit over diaz via juco or transfer or don't RS anyone so they have it available when you oscar them after next year.
This is my general thought process to RSing in basketball too.
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Height is overrated. Should be fine, Gip and Shane both have 7'+ wing spans. Everybody should expect for DJamer to make a big jump. Gip should loose some more weight. Fincher should be able to come in and defend, really raw offensively, but has some good length.
DJamer has shown a high motor at times. I have seen Diaz do nothing (other than be tall) that DJamer or Nino can't do. I mean he seems totally uninterested in rebounding or blocking shots. Like someone else said, any of out guards are better rebounders... What do you lose by having DJamer or Nino on the floor instead of Diaz.
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I'd love to land Severe solely for his shooting, but we NEED another ball handler for 1st semester next year.
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Stupid question...
If you RS a player that is on Scholy (like Diaz)...his Scholy counts toward the limit for that year correct? I assume so, but if not, that could be a reason to RS
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I like DJamer. He passes my optical sniff test. I bet he is a good player next year. I can't sustain any kind of hbiq argument though.
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I like DJamer. He passes my optical sniff test. I bet he is a good player next year. I can't sustain any kind of hbiq argument though.
I think he has potential to be a solid post player. Good oboarder, solid dboarder, decent shot blocker. He wasn't a scorer though, but the positive was that he shot a pretty high percentage.
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I like DJamer. He passes my optical sniff test. I bet he is a good player next year. I can't sustain any kind of hbiq argument though.
I think he has potential to be a solid post player. Good oboarder, solid dboarder, decent shot blocker. He wasn't a scorer though, but the positive was that he shot a pretty high percentage.
DJamer literally had zero post moves last year. His post move was, try to be so open that you can shoot an unguarded layup. I'm hoping that was a result of never focusing solely on basketball, and with an offseason with our coaching staff he can start to get comfortable with a couple of basic moves down low. He definitely has the size and athleticism to be an effective player at this level.
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Gip is the only "big" that we have. Unimpressed with DJamer and Diaz. oscar should be recruiting jucos to replace diaz and a '14 recruit to replace DJamer.
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I like DJamer. He passes my optical sniff test. I bet he is a good player next year. I can't sustain any kind of hbiq argument though.
Agreed. I think he is better than Diaz. It's hard to believe Diaz was a top 150 player.
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Stupid question...
If you RS a player that is on Scholy (like Diaz)...his Scholy counts toward the limit for that year correct? I assume so, but if not, that could be a reason to RS
yes, he would still eat a scholly. obviously I'd redshirt about everyone at some point in their careers if they didn't.
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I thought this thread was going to be about apathy setting in around K-State basketball.
I'm sure someone else will start an apathy thread.
:D
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I'd love to land Severe solely for his shooting, but we NEED another ball handler for 1st semester next year.
i bet severe would be fine as a secondary ball handler. i'd be really excited if kstate can get him.
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Severe would be a great late signee.
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Hey, remember Frank's late signees? Oh, boy. :lol:
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Hey, remember Frank's late signees? Oh, boy. :lol:
Yes, they were awful and were always made fun of and criticized
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Hey, remember Frank's late signees? Oh, boy. :lol:
Yes, they were awful and were always made fun of and criticized
and sometimes heartbreaking (franking 95 for the jet :cry:)
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Hey, remember Frank's late signees? Oh, boy. :lol:
Yes, they were awful and were always made fun of and criticized
and sometimes heartbreaking (franking 95 for the jet :cry:)
And then the Jet for Orris.
Can't wait to see where this progression goes.
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Hey, remember Frank's late signees? Oh, boy. :lol:
Yes, they were awful and were always made fun of and criticized
and sometimes heartbreaking (franking 95 for the jet :cry:)
And then the Jet for Orris.
Can't wait to see where this progression goes.
It's like that time the guy traded a red paper clip all the way up to a DeLorean, only opposite.
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Tay :gocho:
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I hope Omari leaves and we get Severe and Django...unless Django sucks?
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Hey, remember Frank's late signees? Oh, boy. :lol:
Yes, they were awful and were always made fun of and criticized
and sometimes heartbreaking (franking 95 for the jet :cry:)
And then the Jet for Orris.
Can't wait to see where this progression goes.
It's like that time the guy traded a red paper clip all the way up to a DeLorean, only opposite.
Yes!
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I still haven't read a good logical reason to RS anyone. This isn't football. Either recruit over diaz via juco or transfer or don't RS anyone so they have it available when you oscar them after next year.
If you have a logjam of talent, and somebody is willing to redshirt, you should do it.
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Severe would be a great late signee.
Severe will go play for a coach like Bob Huggins.
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I still haven't read a good logical reason to RS anyone. This isn't football. Either recruit over diaz via juco or transfer or don't RS anyone so they have it available when you oscar them after next year.
If you have a logjam of talent, and somebody is willing to redshirt, you should do it.
I should have been more specific; I haven't heard a reason to redshirt anyone on this roster. That reason, while logical would not apply to this team.
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I don't see Diaz getting any bulkier, even with a rs year, and therefore no more of a force on defense. His only unique attribute is his height, which is useful.
But I think DJamer offers a more realistic option. Someone mentioned on another thread that Diaz doesn't like to play with his back to the goal. And if it is going to come down to teaching one person new tricks, or trying to get someone to forget all of their old tricks before learning the new ones, you go with the simpler process.
oscar Diaz.
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I'd love to land Severe solely for his shooting, but we NEED another ball handler for 1st semester next year.
i bet severe would be fine as a secondary ball handler. i'd be really excited if kstate can get him.
Maybe. For what it's worth Rivals rates his handles as "needs work".
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Why in the hell would we want him to oscar anyone. Our roster is only going to get worse as he makes more signings and crappy roster decisions. :nono:
Orris/oscar Timeline
9/23/2011- Orris Visits Illinois. oscar knew his job was on the line and Orris never signs. Other notable offers include Nebraska, Drake and Pittsburgh. Keep in mind that oscar had given Orris an offer to Illinois according to Rivals.
4/14/2012- Orris follows oscar to Kansas State visits and signs. :ksu: (We stole an Illinois recruit) :dance:
Brazil Trip- Orris goes on the Brazil Trip and apparently impresses oscar enough not to redshirt him. :gocho:
Non Conference play- oscar isn't impressed with him enough to actually give any meaningful minutes in any close games but does play him and loses Orris a year of eligibility. :dubious:
Wildcat Recruiting- While all of this is going on oscar gets commitments from 3 guards (including a point guard) and a small/power forward all before Jan. 7th. :opcat:
In the following months KU kicks our butts because they have better big men than we do and we also lose to LaSalle because we don't have or at least don't trust our bigs. :sdeek:
Now we are happy that oscar "Franked" Orris in order to get a Big Man that we should have already had or been saving a scholarship for. :party:
We also have a head coach that has talked about redshirting Diaz, which should have happened this year if we were ever going to do it. :facepalm:
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Why in the hell would we want him to oscar anyone. Our roster is only going to get worse as he makes more signings and crappy roster decisions. :nono:
Orris/oscar Timeline
9/23/2011- Orris Visits Illinois. oscar knew his job was on the line and Orris never signs. Other notable offers include Nebraska, Drake and Pittsburgh. Keep in mind that oscar had given Orris an offer to Illinois according to Rivals.
4/14/2012- Orris follows oscar to Kansas State visits and signs. :ksu: (We stole an Illinois recruit) :dance:
Brazil Trip- Orris goes on the Brazil Trip and apparently impresses oscar enough not to redshirt him. :gocho:
Non Conference play- oscar isn't impressed with him enough to actually give any meaningful minutes in any close games but does play him and loses Orris a year of eligibility. :dubious:
Wildcat Recruiting- While all of this is going on oscar gets commitments from 3 guards (including a point guard) and a small/power forward all before Jan. 7th. :opcat:
In the following months KU kicks our butts because they have better big men than we do and we also lose to LaSalle because we don't have or at least don't trust our bigs. :sdeek:
Now we are happy that oscar "Franked" Orris in order to get a Big Man that we should have already had or been saving a scholarship for. :party:
We also have a head coach that has talked about redshirting Diaz, which should have happened this year if we were ever going to do it. :facepalm:
wut.
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Why in the hell would we want him to oscar anyone. Our roster is only going to get worse as he makes more signings and crappy roster decisions. :nono:
Orris/oscar Timeline
9/23/2011- Orris Visits Illinois. oscar knew his job was on the line and Orris never signs. Other notable offers include Nebraska, Drake and Pittsburgh. Keep in mind that oscar had given Orris an offer to Illinois according to Rivals.
4/14/2012- Orris follows oscar to Kansas State visits and signs. :ksu: (We stole an Illinois recruit) :dance:
Brazil Trip- Orris goes on the Brazil Trip and apparently impresses oscar enough not to redshirt him. :gocho:
Non Conference play- oscar isn't impressed with him enough to actually give any meaningful minutes in any close games but does play him and loses Orris a year of eligibility. :dubious:
Wildcat Recruiting- While all of this is going on oscar gets commitments from 3 guards (including a point guard) and a small/power forward all before Jan. 7th. :opcat:
In the following months KU kicks our butts because they have better big men than we do and we also lose to LaSalle because we don't have or at least don't trust our bigs. :sdeek:
Now we are happy that oscar "Franked" Orris in order to get a Big Man that we should have already had or been saving a scholarship for. :party:
We also have a head coach that has talked about redshirting Diaz, which should have happened this year if we were ever going to do it. :facepalm:
go away and stuff
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Sys, if you had to choose right now, do you take DJamer or Diaz as your back up 5 next yr?
i frank johnson and rs diaz.
DUMB
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I still haven't read a good logical reason to RS anyone. This isn't football. Either recruit over diaz via juco or transfer or don't RS anyone so they have it available when you oscar them after next year.
If you have a logjam of talent, and somebody is willing to redshirt, you should do it.
I should have been more specific; I haven't heard a reason to redshirt anyone on this roster. That reason, while logical would not apply to this team.
At this point I don't think we should reshirt anyone, but I could see a scenario in which I would support reshirting Thomas. Depends on what happens between now and January. That said, I don't see how it really hurts us if we decide to rs Diaz. I mean, I wouldn't be pissed about it or anything. :dunno:
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Why in the hell would we want him to oscar anyone. Our roster is only going to get worse as he makes more signings and crappy roster decisions. :nono:
Orris/oscar Timeline
9/23/2011- Orris Visits Illinois. oscar knew his job was on the line and Orris never signs. Other notable offers include Nebraska, Drake and Pittsburgh. Keep in mind that oscar had given Orris an offer to Illinois according to Rivals.
4/14/2012- Orris follows oscar to Kansas State visits and signs. :ksu: (We stole an Illinois recruit) :dance:
Brazil Trip- Orris goes on the Brazil Trip and apparently impresses oscar enough not to redshirt him. :gocho:
Non Conference play- oscar isn't impressed with him enough to actually give any meaningful minutes in any close games but does play him and loses Orris a year of eligibility. :dubious:
Wildcat Recruiting- While all of this is going on oscar gets commitments from 3 guards (including a point guard) and a small/power forward all before Jan. 7th. :opcat:
In the following months KU kicks our butts because they have better big men than we do and we also lose to LaSalle because we don't have or at least don't trust our bigs. :sdeek:
Now we are happy that oscar "Franked" Orris in order to get a Big Man that we should have already had or been saving a scholarship for. :party:
We also have a head coach that has talked about redshirting Diaz, which should have happened this year if we were ever going to do it. :facepalm:
go away and stuff
I thought it was a very nice post.
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:dubious:
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and sometimes heartbreaking (franking 95 for the jet :cry:)
95 was a walkon. whatever the reason he was franked was, it wasn't to free up a scholarship.
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I still haven't read a good logical reason to RS anyone. This isn't football. Either recruit over diaz via juco or transfer or don't RS anyone so they have it available when you oscar them after next year.
If you have a logjam of talent, and somebody is willing to redshirt, you should do it.
I should have been more specific; I haven't heard a reason to redshirt anyone on this roster. That reason, while logical would not apply to this team.
At this point I don't think we should reshirt anyone, but I could see a scenario in which I would support reshirting Thomas. Depends on what happens between now and January. That said, I don't see how it really hurts us if we decide to rs Diaz. I mean, I wouldn't be pissed about it or anything. :dunno:
I guess I wouldn't see the point of redshirting him. I mean, eff, if you're redshirting diaz just give up on him and send him on his way.I'm just imaginig that it's easier to find some juco banger that is more serviceable than diaz. maybe that's not an accurate assumption.
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It would seem that Fincher might be as big of a RS candidate (if not bigger) than Diaz because his scouting says he is pretty raw offensively. Of course one of his biggest strengths coming in is shot blocking, so perhaps he will be an option as the "backstop of our defense".
i've talked myself into diaz making more sense, since he gives you the same thing as gippy (but not as good), offensive ability but poor defense. fincher, in theory would be the opposite.
At least Gip showed to be a pretty good rebounder (both ends). Diaz's deboarding was only better than Angel's (and barely better) and his oboarding was the worst of the bigs. Limited minutes could factor into that though, but I'm not sure how much.
Fincher will be interesting to see.
We've seen him rebound, the man can't rebound.
The problem with Diaz is he is mentally and physically weak and he seems to have almost zero instincts around the bucket. I think oscar thinks he can turn him in to some sort of pick and pop kid, but this guy will never rebound or play solid D on the block. It is not in him.
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If we could land Severe, that would be great. If we don't, i just think we go after a transfer (like Cosby or Shaw)
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good for weber. the illinois posters said he wouldn't do it, but they were wrong. he has learned.
now go do johnson, websie!
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For a couple of reasons
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I like DJamer. He passes my optical sniff test. I bet he is a good player next year. I can't sustain any kind of hbiq argument though.
I think he has potential to be a solid post player. Good oboarder, solid dboarder, decent shot blocker. He wasn't a scorer though, but the positive was that he shot a pretty high percentage.
DJamer literally had zero post moves last year. His post move was, try to be so open that you can shoot an unguarded layup. I'm hoping that was a result of never focusing solely on basketball, and with an offseason with our coaching staff he can start to get comfortable with a couple of basic moves down low. He definitely has the size and athleticism to be an effective player at this level.
Its very rare to have a true freshman big that does, the differences between a big in high school and a big in D1 is amazing. I was a very good 6A big in high school and I was 6'1" my senior year. Even elite high school big men rarely face another legit big, they often can overpower, out rebound, and/or just score over whomever they are guarded by. Gip didn't have any moves last season. Deandre Jordan has turned into a very good NBA big and he didn't have any moves in college either. That has to be developed in 99.99% of college big men.
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good for weber. the illinois posters said he wouldn't do it, but they were wrong. he has learned.
now go do johnson, websie!
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For a couple of reasons
Best GIF ever!!
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I like DJamer too!
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and sometimes heartbreaking (franking 95 for the jet :cry:)
95 was a walkon. whatever the reason he was franked was, it wasn't to free up a scholarship.
95 wasn't going to play and I'm guessing he wasn't going to stay in Kansas being Potz.
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Personally, I can tolerate the idea of DJamer playing backup minutes at center.
I love the idea of Junior DJamer playing Starting Power Forward.
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Its very rare to have a true freshman big that does, the differences between a big in high school and a big in D1 is amazing. I was a very good 6A big in high school and I was 6'1" my senior year. Even elite high school big men rarely face another legit big, they often can overpower, out rebound, and/or just score over whomever they are guarded by. Gip didn't have any moves last season. Deandre Jordan has turned into a very good NBA big and he didn't have any moves in college either. That has to be developed in 99.99% of college big men.
HAHA!!!!
When did you graduate, 1933?
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So. Is there anyone else getting Bruced? We offered like 3 spring guards, right? Are we just doing a shotgun method and whoever jumps first gets the scholly? If Diaz is gone, shouldn't we at least be looking at another big for this year?
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I still haven't read a good logical reason to RS anyone. This isn't football. Either recruit over diaz via juco or transfer or don't RS anyone so they have it available when you oscar them after next year.
This is my general thought process to RSing in basketball too.
Jamar? Releford? Morningstar? Out of examples.
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I still haven't read a good logical reason to RS anyone. This isn't football. Either recruit over diaz via juco or transfer or don't RS anyone so they have it available when you oscar them after next year.
This is my general thought process to RSing in basketball too.
You make a habit of recruiting over players and then you'll find yourself in APR hell
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For a couple of reasons
:)
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I still haven't read a good logical reason to RS anyone. This isn't football. Either recruit over diaz via juco or transfer or don't RS anyone so they have it available when you oscar them after next year.
This is my general thought process to RSing in basketball too.
Jamar? Releford? Morningstar? Out of examples.
Jamar only had half a season to redshirt, he wasn't eligible for non con.
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I still haven't read a good logical reason to RS anyone. This isn't football. Either recruit over diaz via juco or transfer or don't RS anyone so they have it available when you oscar them after next year.
This is my general thought process to RSing in basketball too.
Jamar? Releford? Morningstar? Out of examples.
As sd pointed out, Jamar was a different situation. And there are situations where it makes sense, I'm not sure this year is one of them. The biggest issue is this year was the best year to do it and oscar even talked about it early in the year; unfortunately the move of Shane to the 4 and their trust of Gip and JO (mainly) manning the 5 spot didn't occur until December, so it was too late. I wouldn't be totally against it this year for Diaz or Fincher because it still makes some sense if DJamer can develop enough to be effective behind Gip. (and if both of those guys can develop enough to be more effective on defense).
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I don't mind redshirting Diaz because his skill set is just so much better than any of our other bigs'. If he does manage to bulk up to the point that he can start rebounding and playing defense, he could end up being better than JO. I think a redshirt would give him a chance at doing that, and if he doesn't show any improvement over the course of his redshirt year, just find somebody better and frank him.
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-johnson isn't going anywhwere. weber loves him. i don't mind him.
-giving orris a scholarship was lol to the point that i'm pretty sure weber did it as a favor to someone or some kind of quid pro quo that didn't work out. the absolute correct call would've been to never give him a scholarship and then give that one to gray. that way we aren't left with a "well we will only offer gray if art leaves scenario." and why the hell is there some kind of assumption that those two couldn't have been on the court at the same time for parts of games? that's the dumbest talk in this whole thread. jesus.
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-johnson isn't going anywhwere. weber loves him. i don't mind him.
-giving orris a scholarship was lol to the point that i'm pretty sure weber did it as a favor to someone or some kind of quid pro quo that didn't work out. the absolute correct call would've been to never give him a scholarship and then give that one to gray. that way we aren't left with a "well we will only offer gray if art leaves scenario." and why the hell is there some kind of assumption that those two couldn't have been on the court at the same time for parts of games? that's the dumbest talk in this whole thread. jesus.
I think they could have played together fine, I just don't think Gray was coming once Angel stayed. I think the oscar favor for Orris makes some sense, but still dumb.
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-johnson isn't going anywhwere. weber loves him. i don't mind him.
-giving orris a scholarship was lol to the point that i'm pretty sure weber did it as a favor to someone or some kind of quid pro quo that didn't work out. the absolute correct call would've been to never give him a scholarship and then give that one to gray. that way we aren't left with a "well we will only offer gray if art leaves scenario." and why the hell is there some kind of assumption that those two couldn't have been on the court at the same time for parts of games? that's the dumbest talk in this whole thread. jesus.
I think they could have played together fine, I just don't think Gray was coming once Angel stayed.
why do you think that? staff wouldn't have wanted them both? gray wouldn't have wanted to come if angel was here? angel was only going to stay if we didn't sign gray? other scenario?
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-johnson isn't going anywhwere. weber loves him. i don't mind him.
-giving orris a scholarship was lol to the point that i'm pretty sure weber did it as a favor to someone or some kind of quid pro quo that didn't work out. the absolute correct call would've been to never give him a scholarship and then give that one to gray. that way we aren't left with a "well we will only offer gray if art leaves scenario." and why the hell is there some kind of assumption that those two couldn't have been on the court at the same time for parts of games? that's the dumbest talk in this whole thread. jesus.
angel and gray are pretty much identical players, more often than not you'd want a shooting guard to play off of the pg.
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-johnson isn't going anywhwere. weber loves him. i don't mind him.
-giving orris a scholarship was lol to the point that i'm pretty sure weber did it as a favor to someone or some kind of quid pro quo that didn't work out. the absolute correct call would've been to never give him a scholarship and then give that one to gray. that way we aren't left with a "well we will only offer gray if art leaves scenario." and why the hell is there some kind of assumption that those two couldn't have been on the court at the same time for parts of games? that's the dumbest talk in this whole thread. jesus.
yeah. it's really hard to defend Oriss over Gray. Hasn't stopped people here from trying though.
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-johnson isn't going anywhwere. weber loves him. i don't mind him.
-giving orris a scholarship was lol to the point that i'm pretty sure weber did it as a favor to someone or some kind of quid pro quo that didn't work out. the absolute correct call would've been to never give him a scholarship and then give that one to gray. that way we aren't left with a "well we will only offer gray if art leaves scenario." and why the hell is there some kind of assumption that those two couldn't have been on the court at the same time for parts of games? that's the dumbest talk in this whole thread. jesus.
I think they could have played together fine, I just don't think Gray was coming once Angel stayed.
why do you think that? staff wouldn't have wanted them both? gray wouldn't have wanted to come if angel was here? angel was only going to stay if we didn't sign gray? other scenario?
well, we did cancel Gray's visit after Angel said he would stay. That move made it pretty likely Gray wouldn't come here.
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-johnson isn't going anywhwere. weber loves him. i don't mind him.
-giving orris a scholarship was lol to the point that i'm pretty sure weber did it as a favor to someone or some kind of quid pro quo that didn't work out. the absolute correct call would've been to never give him a scholarship and then give that one to gray. that way we aren't left with a "well we will only offer gray if art leaves scenario." and why the hell is there some kind of assumption that those two couldn't have been on the court at the same time for parts of games? that's the dumbest talk in this whole thread. jesus.
yeah. it's really hard to defend Oriss over Gray. Hasn't stopped people here from trying though.
really? i didn't realize anyone here was happy with the way that went down.
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angel and gray are pretty much identical players, more often than not you'd want a shooting guard to play off of the pg.
why? how would Gray playing next to Angel be worse than Will, Tay, or Orris?
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-johnson isn't going anywhwere. weber loves him. i don't mind him.
-giving orris a scholarship was lol to the point that i'm pretty sure weber did it as a favor to someone or some kind of quid pro quo that didn't work out. the absolute correct call would've been to never give him a scholarship and then give that one to gray. that way we aren't left with a "well we will only offer gray if art leaves scenario." and why the hell is there some kind of assumption that those two couldn't have been on the court at the same time for parts of games? that's the dumbest talk in this whole thread. jesus.
angel and gray are pretty much identical players, more often than not you'd want a shooting guard to play off of the pg.
well more often than not you'd want kobe bryant to play off the pg, but that still doesn't explain why the two of them couldn't both have scholarships on the same college basketball team.
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-johnson isn't going anywhwere. weber loves him. i don't mind him.
-giving orris a scholarship was lol to the point that i'm pretty sure weber did it as a favor to someone or some kind of quid pro quo that didn't work out. the absolute correct call would've been to never give him a scholarship and then give that one to gray. that way we aren't left with a "well we will only offer gray if art leaves scenario." and why the hell is there some kind of assumption that those two couldn't have been on the court at the same time for parts of games? that's the dumbest talk in this whole thread. jesus.
yeah. it's really hard to defend Oriss over Gray. Hasn't stopped people here from trying though.
really? i didn't realize anyone here was happy with the way that went down.
you and Fan both made excuses for the decision with your last posts. you may not be happy, but you're trying to downplay the impact.
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why do you think that? staff wouldn't have wanted them both? gray wouldn't have wanted to come if angel was here? angel was only going to stay if we didn't sign gray? other scenario?
I think the staff wasn't sure if Angel was going to stay. They recruited Gray as a replacement for Angel and sold it to Gray that way. Once Angel stayed we probably weren't completely done with Gray, but knew our chances were slim because we sold immediate playing time, which he was able to get at Tech. Also, once Angel was back, oscar was more likely to take a chance on Orris, which I think was a mistake.
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-johnson isn't going anywhwere. weber loves him. i don't mind him.
-giving orris a scholarship was lol to the point that i'm pretty sure weber did it as a favor to someone or some kind of quid pro quo that didn't work out. the absolute correct call would've been to never give him a scholarship and then give that one to gray. that way we aren't left with a "well we will only offer gray if art leaves scenario." and why the hell is there some kind of assumption that those two couldn't have been on the court at the same time for parts of games? that's the dumbest talk in this whole thread. jesus.
angel and gray are pretty much identical players, more often than not you'd want a shooting guard to play off of the pg.
well more often than not you'd want kobe bryant to play off the pg, but that still doesn't explain why the two of them couldn't both have scholarships on the same college basketball team.
that's a good point but kobe didn't play college hoops. i doubt gray would want to sit on the bench and watch angel eat his minutes. regardless, you asked the question as to why they wouldn't have been on the courtat the same time for parts of the game. i guess the answer is they wouldn't have been on the same roster which would mean that one of them would have had to suit up for the other one's team and play a few minutes and that would be an ncaa violation. so, riddle solved i guess.
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-johnson isn't going anywhwere. weber loves him. i don't mind him.
-giving orris a scholarship was lol to the point that i'm pretty sure weber did it as a favor to someone or some kind of quid pro quo that didn't work out. the absolute correct call would've been to never give him a scholarship and then give that one to gray. that way we aren't left with a "well we will only offer gray if art leaves scenario." and why the hell is there some kind of assumption that those two couldn't have been on the court at the same time for parts of games? that's the dumbest talk in this whole thread. jesus.
yeah. it's really hard to defend Oriss over Gray. Hasn't stopped people here from trying though.
really? i didn't realize anyone here was happy with the way that went down.
you and Fan both made excuses for the decision with your last posts. you may not be happy, but you're trying to downplay the impact.
the impact? no, i'm not at all. you don't know what you're talking about.
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-johnson isn't going anywhwere. weber loves him. i don't mind him.
-giving orris a scholarship was lol to the point that i'm pretty sure weber did it as a favor to someone or some kind of quid pro quo that didn't work out. the absolute correct call would've been to never give him a scholarship and then give that one to gray. that way we aren't left with a "well we will only offer gray if art leaves scenario." and why the hell is there some kind of assumption that those two couldn't have been on the court at the same time for parts of games? that's the dumbest talk in this whole thread. jesus.
angel and gray are pretty much identical players, more often than not you'd want a shooting guard to play off of the pg.
well more often than not you'd want kobe bryant to play off the pg, but that still doesn't explain why the two of them couldn't both have scholarships on the same college basketball team.
that's a good point but kobe didn't play college hoops. i doubt gray would want to sit on the bench and watch angel eat his minutes. regardless, you asked the question as to why they wouldn't have been on the courtat the same time for parts of the game. i guess the answer is they wouldn't have been on the same roster which would mean that one of them would have had to suit up for the other one's team and play a few minutes and that would be an ncaa violation. so, riddle solved i guess.
well i doubt most players actually want to sit on the bench while other players eat their minutes, but it happens literally (no, literally) every where, every year and has for the last 100 years. so the notion that kstate couldn't sign a top 150 guard because they already had a player with a similar skill set on the roster is therefore and afore too ridiculous to me and has been summarily rejected.
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why do you think that? staff wouldn't have wanted them both? gray wouldn't have wanted to come if angel was here? angel was only going to stay if we didn't sign gray? other scenario?
I think the staff wasn't sure if Angel was going to stay. They recruited Gray as a replacement for Angel and sold it to Gray that way. Once Angel stayed we probably weren't completely done with Gray, but knew our chances were slim because we sold immediate playing time, which he was able to get at Tech.
Actually, we were probably completely done with Gray when Angel stayed.
Gray on April 15:
"K-State is the number one school on my list right now. I really like what I have heard about the school and the program so far."
Angel announced he was staying April 16.
From a Bossi update April 25:
Kansas State elected to pass on 2012 Rivals150 point guard Josh Gray. However, they did end up offering another Texan after the weekend.
Gray quote from April 24:
I love the fans they couldn't get any better it's the coach & staff that lost interest I guess because they haven't yet return my call
http://www.bringonthecats.com/2012/4/24/2970749/josh-gray-says-k-state-wouldnt-return-his-calls
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Thanks.
Very dumb. Probably the worst thing oscar has done so far. (worse than losing to La Salle)
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-johnson isn't going anywhwere. weber loves him. i don't mind him.
-giving orris a scholarship was lol to the point that i'm pretty sure weber did it as a favor to someone or some kind of quid pro quo that didn't work out. the absolute correct call would've been to never give him a scholarship and then give that one to gray. that way we aren't left with a "well we will only offer gray if art leaves scenario." and why the hell is there some kind of assumption that those two couldn't have been on the court at the same time for parts of games? that's the dumbest talk in this whole thread. jesus.
angel and gray are pretty much identical players, more often than not you'd want a shooting guard to play off of the pg.
well more often than not you'd want kobe bryant to play off the pg, but that still doesn't explain why the two of them couldn't both have scholarships on the same college basketball team.
that's a good point but kobe didn't play college hoops. i doubt gray would want to sit on the bench and watch angel eat his minutes. regardless, you asked the question as to why they wouldn't have been on the courtat the same time for parts of the game. i guess the answer is they wouldn't have been on the same roster which would mean that one of them would have had to suit up for the other one's team and play a few minutes and that would be an ncaa violation. so, riddle solved i guess.
well i doubt most players actually want to sit on the bench while other players eat their minutes, but it happens literally (no, literally) every where, every year and has for the last 100 years. so the notion that kstate couldn't sign a top 150 guard because they already had a player with a similar skill set on the roster is therefore and afore too ridiculous to me and has been summarily rejected.
you asked why there was some kind of assumption that those two couldn't have been on the court at the same time for parts of games. not why kstate couldn't sign a top 150 guard if we already had a player with a similar skill set on our roster.
why didn't we sign him if he still wanted to come here after angel said he was coming back? the only answer i can come up with is that the staff made a big mistake.
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why do you think that? staff wouldn't have wanted them both? gray wouldn't have wanted to come if angel was here? angel was only going to stay if we didn't sign gray? other scenario?
I think the staff wasn't sure if Angel was going to stay. They recruited Gray as a replacement for Angel and sold it to Gray that way. Once Angel stayed we probably weren't completely done with Gray, but knew our chances were slim because we sold immediate playing time, which he was able to get at Tech.
Actually, we were probably completely done with Gray when Angel stayed.
Gray on April 15:
"K-State is the number one school on my list right now. I really like what I have heard about the school and the program so far."
Angel announced he was staying April 16.
From a Bossi update April 25:
Kansas State elected to pass on 2012 Rivals150 point guard Josh Gray. However, they did end up offering another Texan after the weekend.
Gray quote from April 24:
I love the fans they couldn't get any better it's the coach & staff that lost interest I guess because they haven't yet return my call
http://www.bringonthecats.com/2012/4/24/2970749/josh-gray-says-k-state-wouldnt-return-his-calls
LOL at oscar. JFC
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I think it is difficult to play those two together given how oscar wants to play offensively which limits us defensively (i.e. small 4 man, lack of presence around the rim).
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-johnson isn't going anywhwere. weber loves him. i don't mind him.
-giving orris a scholarship was lol to the point that i'm pretty sure weber did it as a favor to someone or some kind of quid pro quo that didn't work out. the absolute correct call would've been to never give him a scholarship and then give that one to gray. that way we aren't left with a "well we will only offer gray if art leaves scenario." and why the hell is there some kind of assumption that those two couldn't have been on the court at the same time for parts of games? that's the dumbest talk in this whole thread. jesus.
angel and gray are pretty much identical players, more often than not you'd want a shooting guard to play off of the pg.
well more often than not you'd want kobe bryant to play off the pg, but that still doesn't explain why the two of them couldn't both have scholarships on the same college basketball team.
that's a good point but kobe didn't play college hoops. i doubt gray would want to sit on the bench and watch angel eat his minutes. regardless, you asked the question as to why they wouldn't have been on the courtat the same time for parts of the game. i guess the answer is they wouldn't have been on the same roster which would mean that one of them would have had to suit up for the other one's team and play a few minutes and that would be an ncaa violation. so, riddle solved i guess.
well i doubt most players actually want to sit on the bench while other players eat their minutes, but it happens literally (no, literally) every where, every year and has for the last 100 years. so the notion that kstate couldn't sign a top 150 guard because they already had a player with a similar skill set on the roster is therefore and afore too ridiculous to me and has been summarily rejected.
you asked why there was some kind of assumption that those two couldn't have been on the court at the same time for parts of games. not why kstate couldn't sign a top 150 guard if we already had a player with a similar skill set on our roster.
why didn't we sign him if he still wanted to come here after angel said he was coming back? the only answer i can come up with is that the staff made a big mistake.
ok. so i guess my opinion is that it would've been possible to get both, it would've been the correct move to get both and it would have been feasible (if not advisable) to play them both at the same time on the same team. it sure seemed like a lot here didn't agree with all or any of that and i couldn't understand why.
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I think it is difficult to play those two together given how oscar wants to play offensively which limits us defensively (i.e. small 4 man, lack of presence around the rim).
Does oscar even want to play like that? We switched to a 4 guard line-up out of necessity, and JO started the entire second half of the season.
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i wish we had him, especially with angel's injuries. i didn't realize he still wanted to be ksu cat hoops even after angel recommitted himself.
i think we can all agree that king oscar wouldn't start him or anyone including kobe over will though.
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I think it is difficult to play those two together given how oscar wants to play offensively which limits us defensively (i.e. small 4 man, lack of presence around the rim).
So we're better off with Will or Tay or Orris? nope.
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i'm choosing to believe that sr art and jr gray would've been the second coming of senior dc and junior jake and nobody here is going to be able to convince me otherwise. so there.
also can we get an arms crossed emoticon with a kind of smirk on his face or something and call it "daris"? this would've been such a great place for it.
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i'm choosing to believe that sr art and jr gray would've been the second coming of senior dc and junior jake and nobody here is going to be able to convince me otherwise. so there.
100% correct.
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also can we get an arms crossed emoticon with a kind of smirk on his face or something and call it "daris"? this would've been such a great place for it.
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I think it is difficult to play those two together given how oscar wants to play offensively which limits us defensively (i.e. small 4 man, lack of presence around the rim).
So we're better off with Will or Tay or Orris? nope.
It was more of a shot at oscar being stupid than my philosophy. You take talent and figure out how to best use it, not disregard it because he doesn't "fit".
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also can we get an arms crossed emoticon with a kind of smirk on his face or something and call it "daris"? this would've been such a great place for it.
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But with this face:
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also can we get an arms crossed emoticon with a kind of smirk on his face or something and call it "daris"? this would've been such a great place for it.
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But with this face:
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what ever it takes to make this into emote reality
my peggy po was watching rick daris
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refs make a shitty call, daris= (https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.politico.com%2Fglobal%2F2012%2F11%2Fmckayla_impressed_ap_328.jpg&hash=faac88b9612c4f1251cdf529820c76b0a96c3c00)
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dog jumps off a mans back and catches a frisbee, daris= (https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.chicagotribune.com%2Fmedia%2Fphoto%2F2012-07%2F71471081.jpg&hash=3a6f89123409222620bebd3dcb6aafb8ceb74cb7)
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:lol: How did I miss that the first time around? :lol:
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ron anderson jr is averaging 6 ppg/5rpg for the tulsa 66'ers
go ron anderson jr, always a 100% wildcat at heart
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ron anderson jr is averaging 6 ppg/5rpg for the tulsa 66'ers
go ron anderson jr, always a 100% wildcat at heart
Also a fantastic dancer.
Go Ron!
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what is ron anderson jr reminds me of a slightly less athletic but more offensively skilled DJamer? i'll take make a vague ksu hoops comparo for 400 alex.
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what is ron anderson jr reminds me of a slightly less athletic but more offensively skilled DJamer? i'll take make a vague ksu hoops comparo for 400 alex.
Because you are very wise Mr. daris.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?40-ron-anderson=2007-2008&add=40-ron-anderson&i=1&p1=2-DJamer-johnson
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I always like Ron Anderson Jr., too bad he got franked
I think DJamer will be pretty good, he was a FR who played limited minutes, and came up big during the final strech of games, seems ok to me.
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what is maurice brittian? i'll take name a former ksucats player that ron anderson would've reminded you of if he were a couple of inches taller and a couple of pounds heavier for 1,000 alex.
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mo had terrible back problems, cannot confirm whether or not raj did.
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ron anderson jr is averaging 6 ppg/5rpg for the tulsa 66'ers
go ron anderson jr, always a 100% wildcat at heart
His ability to rebound the ball flat footed on the ground was uncanny. Never seen a guy not jump and have more reboundsjust fall into his arms.
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mo had terrible back problems, cannot confirm whether or not raj did.
what is i was just assuming raj did have back problems given that i never saw him attempt to jump ( see czacker post below yours). i'll take pretend like you knew mo britt had back problems by agreeing with an observation made by another poster about a different player for 400 alex.
also big mo :frown:
http://georgia-tech-basketball.blogspot.com/2006/07/maurice-brittian-dead-at-37played-with.html
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oh jeez.
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after thinking about it, i think raj is more of a wylie howard clone than a mo brittian clone.
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also can we get an arms crossed emoticon with a kind of smirk on his face or something and call it "daris"? this would've been such a great place for it.
also a nazi.
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someone named rio adams is leaving the ku hoops team. congrats to rio for breaking the chains.
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Jerome seagears transferring from rutgers, he should have been ours :frown:
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someone named rio adams is leaving the ku hoops team. congrats to rio for breaking the chains.
Good for him. Someone had to take the first step. Maybe he will lead an exodus from the KU morass.
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GREAT PASS ORRIS!!
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after thinking about it, i think raj is more of a wylie howard clone than a mo brittian clone.
More like a slightly taller Stanley Hamilton if you ask this ksu cats fan. Wow. Nailed it.
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Hmmm. I wonder what "ship" this look out has spotted?
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Hmmm. I wonder what "ship" this look out has spotted?
The Essex
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Who are we throwing overboard next? Throwing Josh Gray a life raft :crossfingers:
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Hmmm. I wonder what "ship" this look out has spotted?
It's Titletown, so I imagined the look out spotted a Championship. :lol:
If you want more laughs like you just got, click on my profile and read through some of my other posts. Thanks for reading, everyone.
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That is Sprads and the ship is the Bounty.
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What is it boy?! Did Diaz fall down a well?
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LOOKOUT!
Are we about to run ashore? Pirates coming to steal our treasure? Storm brewing?
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Hmmmmm
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I LOVE IT WHEN WE GET A CAPTAIN CRAP NUGGET! :excited:
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Shoeless Joe Jackson! I can't read these nuggets!
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johnson. :pray:
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I can't get excited over this Captain Crap post, cause it makes no sense too me :dunno:
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I can't get excited over this Captain Crap post, cause it makes no sense too me :dunno:
Shocking
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Saw a tweet earlier that said Wiggins fam said that Wiggins shouldn't go to Kentucky because of how they failed this yr with youth and how loaded they are with this recruiting class.
oscar probs out closing that deal right now as an unnamed darkhorse.
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well, the name of the picture file is lookoutboy.jpg, which means cc did a google image search for "lookout" (https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1280&bih=922&q=lookout&oq=lookout&gs_l=img.3..0l10.402.1074.0.1183.7.7.0.0.0.0.113.527.5j2.7.0.ernk_rqr..0.0...1.1.8.img.DIsK6MXMgE8) to find it so that's probably what he means
so the question is what are we looking out for? pretty exciting!
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well, the name of the picture file is lookoutboy.jpg, which means cc did a google image search for "lookout" (https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1280&bih=922&q=lookout&oq=lookout&gs_l=img.3..0l10.402.1074.0.1183.7.7.0.0.0.0.113.527.5j2.7.0.ernk_rqr..0.0...1.1.8.img.DIsK6MXMgE8) to find it so that's probably what he means
so the question is what are we looking out for? pretty exciting!
Or lookout cause new is coming about who is leaving next. :runaway:
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well, the name of the picture file is lookoutboy.jpg, which means cc did a google image search for "lookout" (https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1280&bih=922&q=lookout&oq=lookout&gs_l=img.3..0l10.402.1074.0.1183.7.7.0.0.0.0.113.527.5j2.7.0.ernk_rqr..0.0...1.1.8.img.DIsK6MXMgE8) to find it so that's probably what he means
so the question is what are we looking out for? pretty exciting!
Or lookout cause new is coming about who is leaving next. :runaway:
or who's coming in :grin:
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johnson. :pray:
I swear to you when I eventually meet you irl I'm going to beat your ass.
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johnson. :pray:
I swear to you when I eventually meet you irl I'm going to beat your ass.
:thumbs:
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I swear to you when I eventually meet you irl I'm going to beat your ass.
i offered to go snake hunting with you in iowa this spring, but now i don't want to.
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I swear to you when I eventually meet you irl I'm going to beat your ass.
i offered to go snake hunting with you in iowa this spring, but now i don't want to.
Damn, I forgot that you can sick those snakes on me, never mind I'm not trippin with you.
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Damn, I forgot that you can sick those snakes on me, never mind I'm not trippin with you.
you'd have fun. it's just like a u-pick apple orchard, but even more fun.
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Shoeless Joe Jackson! I can't read these nuggets!
Yes?
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Shoeless Joe Jackson! I can't read these nuggets!
Yes?
:sdeek:
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do I have to be afraid of oscar just giving orris' scholly to one of the walkons when we cant recruit anyone else?
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do I have to be afraid of oscar just giving orris' scholly to one of the walkons when we cant recruit anyone else?
why would you think he can't recruit anyone to replace orris?
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do I have to be afraid of oscar just giving orris' scholly to one of the walkons when we cant recruit anyone else?
why would you think he can't recruit anyone to replace orris?
he can. probably irrational fear that he wont.
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it's easy to grin,when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat.
but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat
^learn it, know it, live it, puni.
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it's easy to grin,when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat.
but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat
^learn it, know it, live it, puni.
my shorts tightened instantly upon reading that
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hey, YOU SCRATCHED MY ANCHOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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You're probably so high you don't even know it.
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Just saw that Diaz's name is officially on the transfer list.
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welcome to martinville
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:runaway:
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hmmmm......
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And some people actually thought we was going to contribute next year........... :blah:
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i'm glad that foreign guy is out of here. he didn't do things the manhattan way. :emawkid:
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we're just going to recruit a couple of players that are worse, aren't we?
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We def had room for Severe. Too bad he wants to stay on east coast...Later Diaz.
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Good riddance.
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Well, that sucks.
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So did Diaz get Frank'd or oscar'd? Just want to make sure I have my terminology correct.
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So did Diaz get Frank'd or oscar'd? Just want to make sure I have my terminology correct.
What is the difference, exactly?
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So did Diaz get Frank'd or oscar'd? Just want to make sure I have my terminology correct.
What is the difference, exactly?
That is why I am asking the question.
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Transferring for PT or proximity will be the official.
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So did Diaz get Frank'd or oscar'd? Just want to make sure I have my terminology correct.
What is the difference, exactly?
That is why I am asking the question.
You mean Frank'd. Being "oscar'd" means getting some awkward high fives and high-pitched words of encouragement after sucking ass on the court.
...I'm betting you meant Frank'd.
Kougar explained the difference to me awhile back.
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Guess he's taking that red-shirt season after all.
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Really hope we get someone worth a damn to fill atleast one of these spots.
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Crap... the negative momentum of oscar Weber is impressive. :facepalm:
The guys on gopowercat are convinced that we will find a new recruit that is better than Diaz for this class. :opcat:
I wonder why we didn't get a quality center with the first 6 scholarships if it was so easy? :curse:
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Crap... the negative momentum of oscar Weber is impressive. :facepalm:
The guys on gopowercat are convinced that we will find a new recruit that is better than Diaz for this class. :opcat:
I wonder why we didn't get a quality center with the first 6 scholarships if it was so easy? :curse:
:facepalm:
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eff having players over 6'7"
BRUCEKETBALL
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BECAUSE HEIGHT!
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So who the hell do we get to replace these guys? Shitty juco?
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If we are fortunate, transfers, or extremely fortunate, some foreign guys with game. But, yeah, probably shitty jucos.
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I'd say to balance out classes, it would be wise to get at least one JUCO or a transfer.
And I'd say given the players that are leaving, its likely at least one of the replacements is better, and probably both.
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Someone with HBBIQ tell me how to feel about this. Tia
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Someone with HBBIQ tell me how to feel about this. Tia
Agreed. Little help here...
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Diaz sucked. Let's party
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Guess he's taking that red-shirt season after all.
weber is so manipulative.
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Someone with HBBIQ tell me how to feel about this. Tia
Agreed. Little help here...
I'll wait to see the recruits, but I think it's likely that the replacements will be upgrades.
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Someone with HBBIQ tell me how to feel about this. Tia
Agreed. Little help here...
I'll wait to see the recruits, but I think it's likely that the replacements will be upgrades.
I would assume that we'll take a SG transfer and a JUCO big, and that both will be guys that oscar feels comfortable playing. Orris and Diaz were obviously not going to see the floor, so even if the new guys are equally inept at basketball, it won't be a net loss because they'll be here for the same amount of time that Orris and Diaz were going to be anyway. So...we're looking at a pretty low-risk move by Franking those two as long as we don't replace them with terrible freshman players.
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Someone with HBBIQ tell me how to feel about this. Tia
Should feel meh.
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Should we want Djambo?
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Diaz sucked. Let's party
This
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Guys I'm 6'2, but I also went to K-State for 5 years. I'm not entirely sure this has anything to do with this thread but I'd like to add my mothers favorite movie is My Blue Heaven. Thanks everyone and go cats.
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Someone with HBBIQ tell me how to feel about this. Tia
Agreed. Little help here...
I'll wait to see the recruits, but I think it's likely that the replacements will be upgrades.
I think Orris was a no brainer. When Angel and Irivng were missing games and oscar was like "eff it, Spradling is playing both guards" that pretty much said that Orris was never going to play. Diaz is a little bit harder because it's plausible that we could replace him with somebody worse, but it'll probably be somebody at least as good. Very low risk Brucing for the most part. Neither of these guys (especially Orris) bother me like Anderson, Sutton, Russell, ect.
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Someone with HBBIQ tell me how to feel about this. Tia
Agreed. Little help here...
I'll wait to see the recruits, but I think it's likely that the replacements will be upgrades.
They almost have to be. Neither Diaz nor Orris were going to be legit contributers.
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Here I am hoping that capt crap's Look Out Boy pic means good stuff.
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I'd be happy with Cosby and Djambo.
oscar Omari and get that Onwas kid, and we are in business.
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Here I am hoping that capt crap's Look Out Boy pic means good stuff.
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when was the last time cc brought bad news?
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Why did oscar run off Orris less than a year after he recruited him?
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I'd be happy with Cosby and Djambo.
oscar Omari and get that Onwas kid, and we are in business.
I think Omari has significantly more potential than Orris or Diaz combined.
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Someone with HBBIQ tell me how to feel about this. Tia
Agreed. Little help here...
I'll wait to see the recruits, but I think it's likely that the replacements will be upgrades.
I'd expect the guard to be better. I don't know about Diaz though. Decent bigs are much more difficult to find, we're going to have to get lucky. I'd be willing to bet that when we see the film of whatever big we find, we will give a collective meh.
Why did oscar run off Orris less than a year after he recruited him?
I'm confused as to why he wasn't willing to be patient. It's hard for me to believe that what he saw in practice is drastically different from what he anticipated from Mike when he was evaluating him in recruiting. It kinda feels like he recruited and signed Orris for some reason other than why he should have been recruited and signed.
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Why did oscar run off Orris less than a year after he recruited him?
Why did he bring him to Manhattan in the first place?
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It kinda feels like he recruited and signed Orris for some reason other than why he should have been recruited and signed.
Has to be this, it was almost like it was a favor. Especially Orris over Gray.
As for Diaz; when you are 6-10, it would seem to be difficult to rebound worse than he did (per 100 possessions), even in limited min%.
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Did KSU fans/boosters make oscar recruit Orris?
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I really don't mind losing Orris, but I liked Diaz. I really doubt whoever oscar finds actually ends up being better.
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Did KSU fans/boosters make oscar recruit Orris?
No.
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Did KSU fans/boosters make oscar recruit Orris?
No.
Well someone must have forced him to recruit a guy he hated enough to force out less than a year after recruiting him.
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It kinda feels like he recruited and signed Orris for some reason other than why he should have been recruited and signed.
Has to be this, it was almost like it was a favor. Especially Orris over Gray.
As for Diaz; when you are 6-10, it would seem to be difficult to rebound worse than he did (per 100 possessions), even in limited min%.
Agreed but the potential was there for him to improve. It wouldn't be at all surprising if we got someone just as bad; some D2 community college kid who will completely struggle with the transition to big boy basketball.
Did KSU fans/boosters make oscar recruit Orris?
:lol:
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Agreed but the potential was there for him to improve. It wouldn't be at all surprising if we got someone just as bad; some D2 community college kid who will completely struggle with the transition to big boy basketball.
Fair enough, I suppose I'm hopeful that oscar can at least find another DJamer-ish big.
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How bad would it be to get a decent replacement for this class and leave the other scholarship open for a '14 recruit?
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How bad would it be to get a decent replacement for this class and leave the other scholarship open for a '14 recruit?
Fred Brown approves of this strategy
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I'm hopeful that oscar can at least find another DJamer-ish big.
good lord, _fan.
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I'm hopeful that oscar can at least find another DJamer-ish big.
good lord, _fan.
I know you hate him, but he can board and defend decent. That's the floor, though I'd like someone who can score a little.
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I'm hopeful that oscar can at least find another DJamer-ish big.
good lord, _fan.
I know you hate him, but he can board and defend decent. That's the floor, though I'd like someone who can score a little.
sys conveniently ignored my Carl Hall point
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I'm hopeful that oscar can at least find another DJamer-ish big.
good lord, _fan.
I know you hate him, but he can board and defend decent. That's the floor, though I'd like someone who can score a little.
kstate is a big 12 team. a team that has been in the ncaa tournament in five of the last six years.
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I want a big who is strong as eff and can jump really high and isn't a pussy. Basically someone at least as good as Daryl Cunningham.
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sys conveniently ignored my Carl Hall point
i haven't watch carl hall enough to know if johnson plays like him or not. i can look at the stats and see that senior carl hall produced at a different level that freshman johnson. i can't see if senior johnson will play like carl hall because it hasn't happened. i can't see if freshman carl hall played like freshman johnson because carl hall is a juco.
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sys conveniently ignored my Carl Hall point
i haven't watch carl hall enough to know if johnson plays like him or not. i can look at the stats and see that senior carl hall produced at a different level that freshman johnson. i can't see if senior johnson will play like carl hall because it hasn't happened. i can't see if freshman carl hall played like freshman johnson because carl hall is a juco.
How many minutes did you watch Johnson play?
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I'm hopeful that oscar can at least find another DJamer-ish big.
good lord, _fan.
I know you hate him, but he can board and defend decent. That's the floor, though I'd like someone who can score a little.
If we continue to play 4 guards, then I think scoring from our center is just gravy. We need centers who can board and defend. Diaz couldn't do either of those things, so with what we're looking for from our centers, I can't imagine us signing somebody worse than Diaz.
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How many minutes did you watch Johnson play?
however many he played in the conference season plus a handful from earlier.
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The road to the NIT is paved with DJamer-ish bigs.
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Do you guys remember all the stud bigs that frank recruited? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Do you guys remember all the stud bigs that frank recruited? :lol: :lol: :lol:
Yeah, we made 3 NCAA tourneys with Lu Colon playing significant minutes.
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Do you guys remember all the stud bigs that frank recruited? :lol: :lol: :lol:
Yeah, we made 3 NCAA tourneys with Lu Colon playing significant minutes.
making the NCAA tourney, the goEMAW gold standard of a quality basketball coach
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We still haven't filled Orris's scholarship and we are running off other players.......
oscar must believe in Play Angry or get off my team!!!!!
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i can't see if freshman carl hall played like freshman johnson because carl hall is a juco.
exactly
and you did see enough of Senior Call Hall to know if DJamer can be that guy. He was an undersized big with a high motor, exactly what you saw in the tournament.
The road to the NIT is paved with DJamer-ish bigs.
No one is advocating for DJamer to be our star big, sys doesn't even think he's good enough to be a role player
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after thinking about it, i think raj is more of a wylie howard clone than a mo brittian clone.
More like a slightly taller Stanley Hamilton if you ask this ksu cats fan. Wow. Nailed it.
Stellar EMAW'n and BBS'n right here, folks.
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DJamer is the most athletic and physical big we've recruited since the notion of Wall-E.
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i can't see if freshman carl hall played like freshman johnson because carl hall is a juco.
exactly
and you did see enough of Senior Call Hall to know if DJamer can be that guy. He was an undersized big with a high motor, exactly what you saw in the tournament.
The road to the NIT is paved with DJamer-ish bigs.
No one is advocating for DJamer to be our star big, sys doesn't even think he's good enough to be a role player
I don't either. That's why I don't want more like him. I want star bigs.
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and you did see enough of Senior Call Hall to know if DJamer can be that guy. He was an undersized big with a high motor, exactly what you saw in the tournament.
there are tons of undersized bigs that play hard. i didn't see anything from johnson to suggest he's one of the best of those.
No one is advocating for DJamer to be our star big, sys doesn't even think he's good enough to be a role player
kstate can win with him, they just can't win because of him. if he was going to spend four years on the bench, i'd love him.
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I'm sure oscar will be able to attract star bigs to come to Manhattan to play 12 minutes a night in front of 9,500 fans.
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kstate can win with him, they just can't win because of him.
Has anyone ever claimed otherwise? Not sure how many players have went from 9 MPG as a freshman to a star by graduation.
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Here I am hoping that capt crap's Look Out Boy pic means good stuff.
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when was the last time cc brought bad news?
No trees @ New Dev
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Apparently a portion of this board would rather play a 5 guard lineup, rather than recruit an average center. Mike Beasley ain't walking through that door very many times at K-State, star bigs are few and far between for schools outside of an elite group.
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kstate can win with him, they just can't win because of him.
Has anyone ever claimed otherwise? Not sure how many players have went from 9 MPG as a freshman to a star by graduation.
like every KU player in the Bill Self era
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kstate can win with him, they just can't win because of him.
Has anyone ever claimed otherwise? Not sure how many players have went from 9 MPG as a freshman to a star by graduation.
like every KU player in the Bill Self era
the players on his bench are top 100 players. I would have thought that obvious exception would go without saying, guess not
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kstate can win with him, they just can't win because of him.
Has anyone ever claimed otherwise? Not sure how many players have went from 9 MPG as a freshman to a star by graduation.
like every KU player in the Bill Self era
the players on his bench are top 100 players. I would have thought that obvious exception would go without saying, guess not
Diaz was a top 150 player. Seems like maybe we shouldn't have run him off the team. :dunno:
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i guess my whole thing is that i think kstate should have a fair number of top 100 players. enough so that we don't need to play one DJamer, much less hope to recruit another.
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i guess my whole thing is that i think kstate should have a fair number of top 100 players. enough so that we don't need to play one DJamer, much less hope to recruit another.
Would you have another DJamer or Adrian Diaz? I know this shouldn't be our choice, not advocating for that, just interested in your answer.
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for this kstate team? i'd take diaz. has more upside and is more different from gippy.
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Here I am hoping that capt crap's Look Out Boy pic means good stuff.
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when was the last time cc brought bad news?
No trees @ New Dev
no trees @ fOOD either :block:
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for this kstate team? i'd take diaz. has more upside and is more different from gippy.
the upside thing is highly debatable, the different than gip thing is pretty legit
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I'm sure oscar will be able to attract star bigs to come to Manhattan to play 12 minutes a night in front of 9,500 fans.
there's an awfully good chance that a star big would play more than 12 minutes per game.
Of course I saw what oscar did with the closest thing to a star big on the roster this year, so maybe you've got a point.
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I'm sure oscar will be able to attract star bigs to come to Manhattan to play 12 minutes a night in front of 9,500 fans.
there's an awfully good chance that a star big would play more than 12 minutes per game.
Of course I saw what oscar did with the closest thing to a star big on the roster this year, so maybe you've got a point.
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kstate can win with him, they just can't win because of him.
Has anyone ever claimed otherwise? Not sure how many players have went from 9 MPG as a freshman to a star by graduation.
like every KU player in the Bill Self era
the players on his bench are top 100 players. I would have thought that obvious exception would go without saying, guess not
Diaz was a top 150 player. Seems like maybe we shouldn't have run him off the team. :dunno:
I'm sorry, but there was zero evidence Diaz was ready to be a contributor at the D1 high major level.
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Do you guys remember all the stud bigs that frank recruited? :lol: :lol: :lol:
CK and JO were pretty good. Without anyone bigger than Gipson or DJamer, the ceiling is losing to LaSalle in the first round of the tournament. UMKC would feel pretty good matching up with our bigs right now.
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Also, can someone Slow-motion the Orris2Diaz at the end of that one game for a farewell/what could have been video.
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Its easy to see why Diaz left. oscar had 4 bigs for one spot and Johnson beat out Diaz for the 3rd spot most of the season. There were multiple times during the year where Diaz didn't even play the 5, he came in at the 4, and by the end of the year Johnson was always the first big off the bench and got more consistent minutes if/when JO and Gip were both in foul trouble. And both had every opportunity to earn those minutes; through the first 9 games both guys consistently played double digit minutes.
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I'd be happy with Cosby and Djambo.
oscar Omari and get that Onwas kid, and we are in business.
Cosby is down to the Fighting Breads and the Fighting Haiths after the in-home visits. He's going to take official visits to both and then decide this month.
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kstate can win with him, they just can't win because of him.
Has anyone ever claimed otherwise? Not sure how many players have went from 9 MPG as a freshman to a star by graduation.
like every KU player in the Bill Self era
the players on his bench are top 100 players. I would have thought that obvious exception would go without saying, guess not
Diaz was a top 150 player. Seems like maybe we shouldn't have run him off the team. :dunno:
I'm sorry, but there was zero evidence Diaz was ready to be a contributor at the D1 high major level.
I know the stats aren't there, but Diaz has nice touch and could really be a legitimate scoring threat. His ceiling is pretty high. I like him more than I ever liked Judge. Diaz's biggest problem is that he gets pushed around. He needs to bulk up. It's easier to bulk up than it is to get good at basketball.
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oh good grief.
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Do you guys remember all the stud bigs that frank recruited? :lol: :lol: :lol:
CK and JO were pretty good. Without anyone bigger than Gipson or DJamer, the ceiling is losing to LaSalle in the first round of the tournament. UMKC would feel pretty good matching up with our bigs right now.
we didn't lose to lasalle because of our 4/5s or lack thereof.
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Do you guys remember all the stud bigs that frank recruited? :lol: :lol: :lol:
CK and JO were pretty good. Without anyone bigger than Gipson or DJamer, the ceiling is losing to LaSalle in the first round of the tournament. UMKC would feel pretty good matching up with our bigs right now.
we didn't lose to lasalle because of our 4/5s or lack thereof.
I disagree. We did not take advantage of our size advantage at all in the first half. When we saw how much of a difference JO was making scoring we made an effort to keep him on the court and get him the ball. When we realized how easily it was for him to protect the rim we extended the defense to take away some of those bombs but opened up some driving lanes.
If we did this for 40 or even 30 minutes we win that game.
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that's coaching, not players
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Well that was a fun read. I'm all for MIR being on Doug's staff here in a few years.
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How bad would it be to get a decent replacement for this class and leave the other scholarship open for a '14 recruit?
Fred Brown approves of this strategy
Dax would get his open scholarship talking point back
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Dax would get his open scholarship talking point back
kstate had an open scholarship this year; dax wasn't interested.
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DJamer will be a major contributor to this team down the road. The guy oozes energy, toughness, and at times has shown some good moves around the rim.....How many times did he come in off the bench and provide that spark to the team? He can actually dunk the bball, which I still wonder if Thomas "aint got no verticle and have to make a trillion pump fakes" Gibson can.........
Still wonder why he did not play in the loss to Lasalle, as Gibson was missing point blank layups and fumbling balls out of bounds.........
On to Diaz..........the guy showed "flashes" of offenses skill. I think what was holding him back was his inability to understand that thing called "DEFENSE"...he looked totally lost on defense and was like, "crap, how came nobody told me we were playing man-to-man".....
I wish him well, but there has to be someone better out there.
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DJamer will be a major contributor to this team down the road. The guy oozes energy, toughness, and at times has shown some good moves around the rim.....How many times did he come in off the bench and provide that spark to the team? He can actually dunk the bball, which I still wonder if Thomas "aint got no verticle and have to make a trillion pump fakes" Gibson can.........
Still wonder why he did not play in the loss to Lasalle, as Gibson was missing point blank layups and fumbling balls out of bounds.........
On to Diaz..........the guy showed "flashes" of offenses skill. I think what was holding him back was his inability to understand that thing called "DEFENSE"...he looked totally lost on defense and was like, "crap, how came nobody told me we were playing man-to-man".....
I wish him well, but there has to be someone better out there.
Defense is easy. Anybody can do it. It just takes effort and coaching.
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Meh on Diaz.
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Do you guys remember all the stud bigs that frank recruited? :lol: :lol: :lol:
CK and JO were pretty good. Without anyone bigger than Gipson or DJamer, the ceiling is losing to LaSalle in the first round of the tournament. UMKC would feel pretty good matching up with our bigs right now.
we didn't lose to lasalle because of our 4/5s or lack thereof.
No, but we almost won when we used our only good 5 in spite of the poor coaching. Also, the same people are coaching the team next season, and they won't have a JO to bail them out when the shooters can't get open.
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Thomas "aint got no verticle and have to make a trillion pump fakes" Gibson
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Those that don't see Gip's value are lbbiq and should be ignored.
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Those that don't see Gip's value are lbbiq and should be ignored.
Yeah, pretty much.
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that's coaching, not players
for 2012-13 it was, sure. If we don't have at least one rim protector next season then it won't be on in game coaching, can't game plan what you don't have.
Ole Miss lost to LaSalle because they didn't have quality bigs to exploit the weaknesses of the Explorers.
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Those that don't see Gip's value are lbbiq and should be ignored.
Yeah, pretty much.
That post didn't even need to be responded to, the guy called him "Gibson" FFS.
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Those that don't see Gip's value are lbbiq and should be ignored.
I think you are referring to me, which is fine.....I never said Gibson had no value, he has tremendous value to this team. I was pointing out his weaknesses.
I guess those that don't see DJamer's value are lbbiq and should be ignored
And no, I am not DJamer
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that's coaching, not players
for 2012-13 it was, sure. If we don't have at least one rim protector next season then it won't be on in game coaching, can't game plan what you don't have.
Ole Miss lost to LaSalle because they didn't have quality bigs to exploit the weaknesses of the Explorers.
Murphy Holloway is a good player, 2nd team All SEC.
The opening half was really bad, IMHO it started with a lack of perimeter defense leading to La Salle's wide open looks, which later opened up the penetration. JO should have played more, but he did get 11 first half minutes, so La Salle did plenty of damage when he was in the game as well. And those that say we didn't get open shots are flat wrong, we had a ton of open looks in the first half and didn't hit anything.
We will have to change our defensive philosophy next year without a true rim protector, at least one like JO. But we can still play solid defense with the guys we have, its just going to look different and probably not force quite as many TOs. The keys will be bringing opponents' eFG% down and improving on defensive RB%.
And on Gip; he'll be one of the Top 5 efficient scorers (points per 100) returning in the Big 12 next year.
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Those that don't see Gip's value are lbbiq and should be ignored.
I think you are referring to me, which is fine.....I never said Gibson had no value, he has tremendous value to this team. I was pointing out his weaknesses.
I guess those that don't see DJamer's value are lbbiq and should be ignored
And no, I am not DJamer
I am sure some midmajor somewhere will prove to not be lbbiq and pick up Diaz.
I guess, a good measure of this will be who takes a flyer on him.
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that's coaching, not players
for 2012-13 it was, sure. If we don't have at least one rim protector next season then it won't be on in game coaching, can't game plan what you don't have.
Ole Miss lost to LaSalle because they didn't have quality bigs to exploit the weaknesses of the Explorers.
Murphy Holloway is a good player, 2nd team All SEC.
The opening half was really bad, IMHO it started with a lack of perimeter defense leading to La Salle's wide open looks, which later opened up the penetration. JO should have played more, but he did get 11 first half minutes, so La Salle did plenty of damage when he was in the game as well. And those that say we didn't get open shots are flat wrong, we had a ton of open looks in the first half and didn't hit anything.
We will have to change our defensive philosophy next year without a true rim protector, at least one like JO. But we can still play solid defense with the guys we have, its just going to look different and probably not force quite as many TOs. The keys will be bringing opponents' eFG% down and improving on defensive RB%.
And on Gip; he'll be one of the Top 5 efficient scorers (points per 100) returning in the Big 12 next year.
Holloway is a 6'6" "big" with no defensive presence at all. He had 25 blocks in 1131 minutes played. If my math is right that is less than 1 block every 40 minutes. You can do the blocks per 100 possessions but I believe his number would be worse than all of the bigs on our roster for 12-13, I know his blocks per 40 minutes would be.
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I like Gip and am glad he is on our team, but that doesn't make him 6'10"
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Those that don't see Gip's value are lbbiq and should be ignored.
Yeah, pretty much.
Out of control, can't jump, no right hand, folds against ANY player with height, fouls constantly, not a great finisher, etc....
But I still like him, because he's strong, tough, and someone every team needs. Just not at Big 12 starter IMO. But I know nothing, so carry on.
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Holloway is a 6'6" "big" with no defensive presence at all. He had 25 blocks in 1131 minutes played. If my math is right that is less than 1 block every 40 minutes. You can do the blocks per 100 possessions but I believe his number would be worse than all of the bigs on our roster for 12-13, I know his blocks per 40 minutes would be.
Fair enough. I didn't realize your point on Ole Miss was just about their defense. Murphy is a very good undersized boarder and scorer.
However, Ole Miss overall was actually a pretty good team defensively in the paint, block% of .136 was Top 20 in the nation, and Buckner (their other big) was a great shot blocker. But they did end up losing to La Salle because of an overall poor defensive performance, similar to us.
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I think our defense is going to be god-rough ridin'-awful next year.
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I think our defense is going to be god-rough ridin'-awful next year.
Even oscar's worst teams are decent defensively. I think.
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I think our defense is going to be god-rough ridin'-awful next year.
True, but I don't think diaz on the roster makes any difference at all.
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Those that don't see Gip's value are lbbiq and should be ignored.
Yeah, pretty much.
Out of control, can't jump, no right hand, folds against ANY player with height, fouls constantly, not a great finisher, etc....
But I still like him, because he's strong, tough, and someone every team needs. Just not at Big 12 starter IMO. But I know nothing, so carry on.
Starts off poorly when you say that Gip is out of control. His control has grown leaps and bounds. He has handles for a big. He can control the ball in the air, alter it, then put it back up off a miss and has done so this season well. He plays a very large amt of minutes for the type of body he has in a system that doesn't favor his build and weight and still does so without fouling out due to exhaustion. He isn't an enforcer like you may be indicating with your "strong, tough...." comment.
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I think our defense is going to be god-rough ridin'-awful next year.
Even oscar's worst teams are decent defensively. I think.
Yeah, this year was his worst defense since S. Illinois.
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I think our defense is going to be god-rough ridin'-awful next year.
Even oscar's worst teams are decent defensively. I think.
Yeah, this year was his worst defense since S. Illinois.
Awful big 10 offense?
How can it be bad with a group built for defense?
Better big 12 offenses?
I dunno.
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I think our defense is going to be god-rough ridin'-awful next year.
Even oscar's worst teams are decent defensively. I think.
Did he ever have a team at Illinois with out a good post defender, either man to man or with the ability to protect the rim from a help position? I ask because we don't have one on the roster as of now.
Angel and Cobbins will be the only returners from the conference all defense team, BTW.
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Those that don't see Gip's value are lbbiq and should be ignored.
Yeah, pretty much.
Out of control, can't jump, no right hand, folds against ANY player with height, fouls constantly, not a great finisher, etc....
But I still like him, because he's strong, tough, and someone every team needs. Just not at Big 12 starter IMO. But I know nothing, so carry on.
Starts off poorly when you say that Gip is out of control. His control has grown leaps and bounds. What, from God-awful to slightly terrible? He has handles for a big. Maybe for the first dribble.... He can control the ball in the air, alter it, then put it back up off a miss and has done so this season well. Against who? Texas Tech? Texas? OSU? None of those teams have bigs. He plays a very large amt of minutes for the type of body he has in a system that doesn't favor his build and weight and still does so without fouling out due to exhaustion Only averaged about 2.5 fouls per game, but did have 8 games with 4 fouls, and several games where he barely played in the first half due to foul trouble. You may have an argument there.. He isn't an enforcer like you may be indicating with your "strong, tough...." comment. He bangs. He can tire players. His body is built to take a beating.
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I think our defense is going to be god-rough ridin'-awful next year.
Even oscar's worst teams are decent defensively. I think.
Yeah, this year was his worst defense since S. Illinois.
Awful big 10 offense?
How can it be bad with a group built for defense?
Better big 12 offenses?
I dunno.
I'd guess going to the smaller line-up. He and Lowrey are probably going to have to adjust their philosophy on defense a bit.
Bread, it looks like last year Illinois played small too, is this correct? And was that the first time oscar did that there? Thanks.
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I think our defense is going to be god-rough ridin'-awful next year.
Even oscar's worst teams are decent defensively. I think.
look at the chingon chart thread. They weren't as good as they seemed (and this year wasn't quite as bad as it seemed.)
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I think our defense is going to be god-rough ridin'-awful next year.
Even oscar's worst teams are decent defensively. I think.
Did he ever have a team at Illinois with out a good post defender, either man to man or with the ability to protect the rim from a help position? I ask because we don't have one on the roster as of now.
Angel and Cobbins will be the only returners from the conference all defense team, BTW.
No. Every one of his Illinois teams had better frontcourt size and athleticism than next season's K-State team, not including Fincher as I don't know crap about him. Individually Augustine (2003-2005) and Leonard (2011) were excellent at the five. The respective combinations of Pruitt/Carter (2006), Pruitt/Randle (2007) and Tisdale/Davis (2008-2010) were also good. Tall, less than mobile centers with springy, athletic help side fours.
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I think our defense is going to be god-rough ridin'-awful next year.
Even oscar's worst teams are decent defensively. I think.
Yeah, this year was his worst defense since S. Illinois.
Awful big 10 offense?
How can it be bad with a group built for defense?
Better big 12 offenses?
I dunno.
I'd guess going to the smaller line-up. He and Lowrey are probably going to have to adjust their philosophy on defense a bit.
Bread, it looks like last year Illinois played small too, is this correct? And was that the first time oscar did that there? Thanks.
To a certain extent yes. He gave up on Tyler Griffey at the four and used Joe Bertrand in the Shane role (Bertrand is more athletic, but a poorer shooter particularly last year). The difference is that he also had a 7-1, 230 lb lottery pick at center playing 32 mpg. The collective outside shooting on that team was just too damn bad to go four out. You put Leonard on this squad in place of Gip and oscar probably makes another NC game.
The two worst win-loss seasons oscar had at Illinois were when he had a player at the 4 (Brian Randle/Calvin Brock in 2007-08 and Bertrand/Griffey in 2011-12) that couldn't shoot well. Not coincidentally Calvin Brock was oscar's first foray at Illinois with the Shane role at the 4. Brock was 6-5 and couldn't shoot for crap, but was a tremendous athlete.
Other than the Brock and Bertrand scenarios, he stuck with a three guards/4/5 setup.
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I think our defense is going to be god-rough ridin'-awful next year.
Even oscar's worst teams are decent defensively. I think.
look at the chingon chart thread. They weren't as good as they seemed (and this year wasn't quite as bad as it seemed.)
You're not very good at reading his charts. In every year other than the year he got fired (2011-12) the red dot is below the white line=better than conference average defense. K-State's red dot for this season is below the white line, but touching it. None of oscar's Illinois red dots that were below the white line touched and were therefore normatively better. Just like I said, even his shitty Illinois teams had decent defense. Served you right up.
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I think our defense is going to be god-rough ridin'-awful next year.
Even oscar's worst teams are decent defensively. I think.
look at the chingon chart thread. They weren't as good as they seemed (and this year wasn't quite as bad as it seemed.)
You're not very good at reading his charts. In every year other than the year he got fired (2011-12) the red dot is below the white line=better than conference average defense. K-State's red dot for this season is below the white line, but touching it. None of oscar's Illinois red dots that were below the white line touched and were therefore normatively better. Just like I said, even his shitty Illinois teams had decent defense. Served you right up.
yeah, I was misremembering. his offenses were what was surprisingly subpar, correct? I've been tapatalking so I could be wrong.
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I think our defense is going to be god-rough ridin'-awful next year.
Even oscar's worst teams are decent defensively. I think.
look at the chingon chart thread. They weren't as good as they seemed (and this year wasn't quite as bad as it seemed.)
You're not very good at reading his charts. In every year other than the year he got fired (2011-12) the red dot is below the white line=better than conference average defense. K-State's red dot for this season is below the white line, but touching it. None of oscar's Illinois red dots that were below the white line touched and were therefore normatively better. Just like I said, even his shitty Illinois teams had decent defense. Served you right up.
yeah, I was misremembering. his offenses were what was surprisingly subpar, correct? I've been tapatalking so I could be wrong.
Yeah, the offenses were often crap on the back end of his tenure.
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For reference:
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So he only had a below average defense once. Those offenses are tragic though, a hell of a lot worse than sub par.
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out of control is about the last thing that gipson is.
defensively, southie needs to get better. all the other subpar defender have reasons for being subpar, he should be good.
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Do you guys remember all the stud bigs that frank recruited? :lol: :lol: :lol:
CK and JO were pretty good. Without anyone bigger than Gipson or DJamer, the ceiling is losing to LaSalle in the first round of the tournament. UMKC would feel pretty good matching up with our bigs right now.
we didn't lose to lasalle because of our 4/5s or lack thereof.
I disagree. We did not take advantage of our size advantage at all in the first half. When we saw how much of a difference JO was making scoring we made an effort to keep him on the court and get him the ball. When we realized how easily it was for him to protect the rim we extended the defense to take away some of those bombs but opened up some driving lanes.
If we did this for 40 or even 30 minutes we win that game.
Diaz was a top 150 player. Seems like maybe we shouldn't have run him off the team. :dunno:
JO senior year stats are very comparable to Jason Bennett freshman stats. JO had better stamina and shot more frequently*; Bennett was a much better shot blocker. Diaz showed very little improvement over two seasons. I don't get why everyone is so rough ridin' sad about losing these guys.
if we have trouble finding more mediocre players to fill their shoes, that is cause for alarm...
*fix'd for sys!
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people should have been sad when bennett left too. he was a game changer as a shot blocker.
but jhr was not similar to bennett statistically. bennett's %shots was in the single digits, for god's sake.
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people should have been sad when bennett left too. he was a game changer as a shot blocker.
but jhr was not similar to bennett statistically. bennett's %shots was in the single digits, for god's sake.
so the difference in shot% between two guys averaging 2 and 5 ppg means they aren't at all similar? :confused: i could also point out that bennett had much higher FTR and FT%....similar != identical.
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I don't think Bennett D'd on a single B during his tenure at Kansas State. They were not similar at all. JO was capable of taking over games, and it's not really his fault that Weber didn't use him properly during his senior year.
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Fuzzy Wuzzy you shouldn't have a problem posting stats to back this up, so do it. And yes Sys of course is correct that Bennett was a great rim protector.
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http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=curtis-kelly&i=1&p1=jordan-henriguez-roberts&p2=darren-kent&p3=luis-colon&p4=jason-bennett
JO > Bennett by a slight to moderate amount in most areas. In shot blocking, the only area either of them excelled in, they had the same bpg and Bennett did it in half as many possessions per game.
I threw Kent, Colon, and Kelly in there for fun. They were all pretty similar, with Colon being the worst of the three. There is some variety in how they scored, but their production was not all that different.
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I just think it's funny that everyone is freaking out about losing the 61st best shot-blocker in the country and a bench-warmer without a pulse.
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http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=curtis-kelly&i=1&p1=jordan-henriguez-roberts&p2=darren-kent&p3=luis-colon&p4=jason-bennett
JO > Bennett by a slight to moderate amount in most areas. In shot blocking, the only area either of them excelled in, they had the same bpg and Bennett did it in half as many possessions per game.
I threw Kent, Colon, and Kelly in there for fun. They were all pretty similar, with Colon being the worst of the three. There is some variety in how they scored, but their production was not all that different.
The only stat that is adjusted for playing time is points per 40, where JO just demolishes Bennett, as expected. The discrepancy is even greater if you compare JR JO to Bennett.
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I just think it's funny that everyone is freaking out about losing the 61st best shot-blocker in the country and a bench-warmer without a pulse.
9th best
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/stats/block_pct?season=2012-2013
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block % is a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) way to compare players on different teams. also, to adjust for minutes played between JO and Bennett, multiply Bennett by 1.5
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block % is a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) way to compare players on different teams. also, to adjust for minutes played between JO and Bennett, multiply Bennett by 1.5
wut
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block % is a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) way to compare players on different teams. also, to adjust for minutes played between JO and Bennett, multiply Bennett by 1.5
No, it's the best way. Points per possession is also a much better way to compare players than points per minute. These stats are really pretty worthless when you consider they were collected under different coaches who played at different paces. If you want to compare raw numbers, you should at least go back to JO's JR year, when he wasn't quite as good as this year, but his numbers look better due to the extra minutes and faster pace.
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sorry, was looking at minute %. multiply by 1.26
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i will return when the alcohol has left me
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No, it's the best way. Points per possession is also a much better way to compare players than points per minute.
ok, JO had 3 times as many possessions as Bennett. so multiply all Bennett's season totals by 3 if it makes you happy.
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you just have to have some sense of how the numbers translate to the visual. 8% is more than just a guy that has no moves, it's someone that is actively avoiding shooting. like art could throw him a dob and he'd refuse to dob it and kick it out instead.
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No, it's the best way. Points per possession is also a much better way to compare players than points per minute.
ok, JO had 3 times as many possessions as Bennett. so multiply all Bennett's season totals by 3 if it makes you happy.
actually, here's the per possession breakdown. # of possessions is of course approximated and all numbers below are SeasonTotals/SeasonPossessions. sorry for the awful formatting:
JO Bennett
Points: .93 .99
FGM: .41 .34
FGA: .81 .70
FTM: .17 .25
FTA: .43 .5
Reb: .99 1.25
O.Reb: .45 .41
D.Reb: .54 .84
Asst: .08 .14
TO: .16 .20
Steal: .04 .04
Block: .39 .89 :sdeek:
Fouls: .48 .93 :lol:
Bennett was prolific at blocking shots and committing fouls. He was also somewhat better at rebounding. Otherwise, the two were pretty similar. So...why was one a pariah and the other an adorable hero whose loss I should be mourning? i just don't get it
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No, it's the best way. Points per possession is also a much better way to compare players than points per minute.
ok, JO had 3 times as many possessions as Bennett. so multiply all Bennett's season totals by 3 if it makes you happy.
actually, here's the per possession breakdown. # of possessions is of course approximated and all numbers below are SeasonTotals/SeasonPossessions. sorry for the awful formatting:
JO Bennett
Points: .93 .99
FGM: .41 .34
FGA: .81 .70
FTM: .17 .25
FTA: .43 .5
Reb: .99 1.25
O.Reb: .45 .41
D.Reb: .54 .84
Asst: .08 .14
TO: .16 .20
Steal: .04 .04
Block: .39 .89 :sdeek:
Fouls: .48 .93 :lol:
Bennett was prolific at blocking shots and committing fouls. He was also somewhat better at rebounding. Otherwise, the two were pretty similar. So...why was one a pariah and the other an adorable hero whose loss I should be mourning? i just don't get it
It looks like it took one of them, on average, less than 6 possessions to foul out of the game.
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No, it's the best way. Points per possession is also a much better way to compare players than points per minute.
ok, JO had 3 times as many possessions as Bennett. so multiply all Bennett's season totals by 3 if it makes you happy.
actually, here's the per possession breakdown. # of possessions is of course approximated and all numbers below are SeasonTotals/SeasonPossessions. sorry for the awful formatting:
JO Bennett
Points: .93 .99
FGM: .41 .34
FGA: .81 .70
FTM: .17 .25
FTA: .43 .5
Reb: .99 1.25
O.Reb: .45 .41
D.Reb: .54 .84
Asst: .08 .14
TO: .16 .20
Steal: .04 .04
Block: .39 .89 :sdeek:
Fouls: .48 .93 :lol:
Bennett was prolific at blocking shots and committing fouls. He was also somewhat better at rebounding. Otherwise, the two were pretty similar. So...why was one a pariah and the other an adorable hero whose loss I should be mourning? i just don't get it
It looks like it took one of them, on average, less than 6 possessions to foul out of the game.
yeah his math isn't close to right (and I really don't know what he's trying to say, anyway). He should just be ignored on this subject.
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No, it's the best way. Points per possession is also a much better way to compare players than points per minute.
ok, JO had 3 times as many possessions as Bennett. so multiply all Bennett's season totals by 3 if it makes you happy.
actually, here's the per possession breakdown. # of possessions is of course approximated and all numbers below are SeasonTotals/SeasonPossessions. sorry for the awful formatting:
JO Bennett
Points: .93 .99
FGM: .41 .34
FGA: .81 .70
FTM: .17 .25
FTA: .43 .5
Reb: .99 1.25
O.Reb: .45 .41
D.Reb: .54 .84
Asst: .08 .14
TO: .16 .20
Steal: .04 .04
Block: .39 .89 :sdeek:
Fouls: .48 .93 :lol:
Bennett was prolific at blocking shots and committing fouls. He was also somewhat better at rebounding. Otherwise, the two were pretty similar. So...why was one a pariah and the other an adorable hero whose loss I should be mourning? i just don't get it
It looks like it took one of them, on average, less than 6 possessions to foul out of the game.
yea, and it took the other 10. whoopie! but that does bring up the fact that the #possessions estimate appears to be inaccurate for individual players. otherwise, the possessions that JO was in for were 3 minutes long and Bennett's were 6 minutes long. i know for teams they use FGAs - Offrebs + TOs + (0.475 x FTAs) to calculate possesions. i'm not sure how they get to individual players from there. if you find more accurate individual possession numbers, let me know
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yeah his math isn't close to right (and I really don't know what he's trying to say, anyway). He should just be ignored on this subject.
my math is right if you trust statsheet :dunno:
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um, I don't think bennett averaged 1.25 rebounds per possession. If you can show me a link on statsheet that says he did, I may not trust statsheet. Until then, it's you.
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um, I don't think bennett averaged 1.25 rebounds per possession. If you can show me a link on statsheet that says he did, I may not trust statsheet. Until then, it's you.
please see my post above about #possessions reported by statsheet. earlier, i posted links where you can divide the 2 numbers yourself to get rebounds per possession
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um, I don't think bennett averaged 1.25 rebounds per possession. If you can show me a link on statsheet that says he did, I may not trust statsheet. Until then, it's you.
please see my post above about #possessions reported by statsheet. earlier, i posted links where you can divide the 2 numbers yourself to get rebounds per possession
That formula is for calculating a team's total possessions over the course of a game. Where are you finding the box score statistics for only the minutes Jason Bennett was in the game?
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um, I don't think bennett averaged 1.25 rebounds per possession. If you can show me a link on statsheet that says he did, I may not trust statsheet. Until then, it's you.
please see my post above about #possessions reported by statsheet. earlier, i posted links where you can divide the 2 numbers yourself to get rebounds per possession
That formula is for calculating a team's total possessions over the course of a game. Where are you finding the box score statistics for only the minutes Jason Bennett was in the game?
holy crap, i've already explained this. I used the arithmetic expression SeasonTotal/SeasonPossessions to calculate per-possession statistics based on the data at statsheet. Now, to do this I interpreted the individual statistic labelled by the term "possessions" to mean the number of possessions played by a player, because that is most consistent with the definition given for the team statistic which is also called "possessions." maybe i jumped the gun with this assumption. definitions can be found here: http://statsheet.com/basketball_stats_glossary
The individual statistic called "possessions" might have nothing to do with the team statistic called "possessions" but it does not say so explicitly, so I assumed they are related somehow. Obviously I don't know the answer to this "possessions" mystery, or I would have said so. Obviously the Statsheet website does not explain, or I would have read it and relayed the information to you.
if you want me to type another redundant post, i'll be happy to comply. if you want to help me understand what they mean by the individual "possessions" statistic, i would be grateful for your help.
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um, I don't think bennett averaged 1.25 rebounds per possession. If you can show me a link on statsheet that says he did, I may not trust statsheet. Until then, it's you.
please see my post above about #possessions reported by statsheet. earlier, i posted links where you can divide the 2 numbers yourself to get rebounds per possession
That formula is for calculating a team's total possessions over the course of a game. Where are you finding the box score statistics for only the minutes Jason Bennett was in the game?
holy crap, i've already explained this. I used the arithmetic expression SeasonTotal/SeasonPossessions to calculate per-possession statistics based on the data at statsheet. Now, to do this I interpreted the individual statistic labelled by the term "possessions" to mean the number of possessions played by a player, because that is most consistent with the definition given for the team statistic which is also called "possessions." maybe i jumped the gun with this assumption. definitions can be found here: http://statsheet.com/basketball_stats_glossary
The individual statistic called "possessions" might have nothing to do with the team statistic called "possessions" but it does not say so explicitly, so I assumed they are related somehow. Obviously I don't know the answer to this "possessions" mystery, or I would have said so. Obviously the Statsheet website does not explain, or I would have read it and relayed the information to you.
if you want me to type another redundant post, i'll be happy to comply. if you want to help me understand what they mean by the individual "possessions" statistic, i would be grateful for your help.
Well, the stats just don't make sense, so I'm pretty sure "possessions" does not mean what you think it does. I can't find an explanation for "possessions" for individual statistics on statsheet, but basketball-reference.com says they are
Poss: Individual Possessions. Used when a player ends his team's possession, either by attempting a free throw or a field goal, grabbing an offensive rebound, making an assist, or committing a turnover
If that is how statsheet calculates them as well, then the possession statistic wouldn't really be the number of times a player's team had the basketball, which would make sense considering the strange numbers.
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JFC Fuzzy Wuzzy :facepalm:
Also no one has told you that you should mourn the loss of JO and dislike Bennett, do whatever the hell you want to do, none of us care. If you don't like JO that's your problem, it seems pretty clear that you had the preconceived notion that JO and Bennett were the same player. The numbers didn't bear that out. Inventing ways to interpret stats and contriving others talking points to make yourself seem right is pretty dumb, IMHO.
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I'm not sure what happened here. Weird interaction.
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I'm not sure what happened here. Weird interaction.
:lol:
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I'm not sure what happened here. Weird interaction.
:lol:
I mean, there are some pretty decent per 100 possession resources (http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=25815.msg743765#msg743765) available to look at around here. We all agree Bennett was pretty good at shot blocking, but not good at pretty much everything else related to basketball. It takes a huge reach to compare him and is a slap in the face to JO.
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The hope is that FW comes back on here at some point after sleeping off the hangover and apologizes for being a drunken fool
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We all agree Bennett was pretty good at shot blocking, but not good at pretty much everything else related to basketball.
I'm shocked that anyone ever could have thought otherwise.
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So Omari just tweeted 39 days till graduation. He could transfer and play right away, right? If one more leaves, it's gotta be him.
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bennett used to eat like 3 gargantuans from jimmy johns a day
that's a 1.0 gpsm (garg per square meal)
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bennett used to eat like 3 gargantuans from jimmy johns a day
that's a 1.0 gpsm (garg per square meal)
Are you counting the ones he finished (threw away, ate the whole thing, gave to a friend) or the ones he ordered? Because if it's the former you aren't accounting for the ones he left on the table at JJ's.
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I'm going to give Fuzzy Wuzzy the benefit of the doubt and say he let some horrible posting snowball on him and cloud his BBIQ judgement. I think he's smarter than he looked in this thread.
I do think it's interesting to compare the freshman years of the two though:
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?jordan-henriguez-roberts=2009-2010&p1=jordan-henriguez-roberts&p2=jason-bennett&remove=curtis-kelly
I really hated to see Bennett go. Was really a waste.
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I'm going to give Fuzzy Wuzzy the benefit of the doubt and say he let some horrible posting snowball on him and cloud his BBIQ judgement. I think he's smarter than he looked in this thread.
I do think it's interesting to compare the freshman years of the two though:
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?jordan-henriguez-roberts=2009-2010&p1=jordan-henriguez-roberts&p2=jason-bennett&remove=curtis-kelly
I really hated to see Bennett go. Was really a waste.
Its reasonable to assume that if Bennett stayed here for 4 years he could have been better than JO. If FW had said that no one would have objected.
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I think JB most defiantly would of been better than JO.
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dont worry Omari, it should all be over soon.
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Would take any player who averages >1 rebound per possession
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Was somebody dogging Colon in this thread? I would feel like a million times better about our post players if he was on our team next year.
Basically my concern is height. Most games Gip is fine, but like LaSalle in the 2nd, there are teams that don't have the answer to it. Diaz may not of been a great option, but I don't think a seven footer is going to be overlooked enough to where you can get one In the late signing period. Would've felt better Diaz improves some and is acceptable enough against mid-majors than take anybody who is out there now. Gip and DJamer are good but are going to be completely ineffective at times.
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Was somebody dogging Colon in this thread? I would feel like a million times better about our post players if he was on our team next year.
Basically my concern is height. Most games Gip is fine, but like LaSalle in the 2nd, there are teams that don't have the answer to it. Diaz may not of been a great option, but I don't think a seven footer is going to be overlooked enough to where you can get one In the late signing period. Would've felt better Diaz improves some and is acceptable enough against mid-majors than take anybody who is out there now. Gip and DJamer are good but are going to be completely ineffective at times.
Colon was the worst player in The modern college basketball era.
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:lol:
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Was somebody dogging Colon in this thread? I would feel like a million times better about our post players if he was on our team next year.
Basically my concern is height. Most games Gip is fine, but like LaSalle in the 2nd, there are teams that don't have the answer to it. Diaz may not of been a great option, but I don't think a seven footer is going to be overlooked enough to where you can get one In the late signing period. Would've felt better Diaz improves some and is acceptable enough against mid-majors than take anybody who is out there now. Gip and DJamer are good but are going to be completely ineffective at times.
Yeah it was me, I like LuCo but he was terrible. I used to call guys like him, 5 to give, because that's all they were really good for.
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Was somebody dogging Colon in this thread? I would feel like a million times better about our post players if he was on our team next year.
Basically my concern is height. Most games Gip is fine, but like LaSalle in the 2nd, there are teams that don't have the answer to it. Diaz may not of been a great option, but I don't think a seven footer is going to be overlooked enough to where you can get one In the late signing period. Would've felt better Diaz improves some and is acceptable enough against mid-majors than take anybody who is out there now. Gip and DJamer are good but are going to be completely ineffective at times.
Yeah it was me, I like LuCo but he was terrible. I used to call guys like him, 5 to give, because that's all they were really good for.
He wasn't great by any stretch, but a big body that could come in and keep another big body out of position would be nice. Ideally he only plays max 10 minutes in any game. Would go a long way on this team with HenRob gone, imo.
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bennett used to eat like 3 gargantuans from jimmy johns a day
that's a 1.0 gpsm (garg per square meal)
Are you counting the ones he finished (threw away, ate the whole thing, gave to a friend) or the ones he ordered? Because if it's the former you aren't accounting for the ones he left on the table at JJ's.
that's an interesting point -- I was just referencing gargs ordered, but now that you mention it, he was a wasteful son of a bitch and often just left more than half a sandwich on the table. I'm not sure how to quantify that though.
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Was somebody dogging Colon in this thread? I would feel like a million times better about our post players if he was on our team next year.
Basically my concern is height. Most games Gip is fine, but like LaSalle in the 2nd, there are teams that don't have the answer to it. Diaz may not of been a great option, but I don't think a seven footer is going to be overlooked enough to where you can get one In the late signing period. Would've felt better Diaz improves some and is acceptable enough against mid-majors than take anybody who is out there now. Gip and DJamer are good but are going to be completely ineffective at times.
Yeah it was me, I like LuCo but he was terrible. I used to call guys like him, 5 to give, because that's all they were really good for.
He wasn't great by any stretch, but a big body that could come in and keep another big body out of position would be nice. Ideally he only plays max 10 minutes in any game. Would go a long way on this team with HenRob gone, imo.
Hey guys! He tried really hard, ok?!!!
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Luis Colon looked better in his Affliction t-shirts than anyone I've ever seen.
And if you're wondering, his affliction was getting poon and being a complete badass.
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I think it is hilarious that FW thought statsheet's statistic on offensive usage was actually possessions of basketball played while in the game.
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I think it is hilarious that FW thought statsheet's statistic on offensive usage was actually possessions of basketball played while in the game.
It's funny, but understandable. It's a very easy mistake to make because "possessions" really is not a very good name for that statistic.
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Is oscar bringing in any of those transfers from Illinois?
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Is oscar bringing in any of those transfers from Illinois?
No, probably not.
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Jevon will be eligible and will play in the spring. We need him. We will have three scholarships to give this semester (One more person is leaving). We will sign another big, another 3/4, and another stud scorer.
from a high-level gpc poster.
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Omari? :frown:
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Omari? :frown:
Whaaaa
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So Omari just tweeted 39 days till graduation. He could transfer and play right away, right? If one more leaves, it's gotta be him.
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So Omari just tweeted 39 days till graduation. He could transfer and play right away, right? If one more leaves, it's gotta be him.
Grats!
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dont worry Omari, it should all be over soon.
quick and painless, like a brucing ought to be.
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Jevon will be eligible and will play in the spring. We need him. We will have three scholarships to give this semester (One more person is leaving). We will sign another big, another 3/4, and another stud scorer.
from a high-level gpc poster.
I like this. I mean, if something isn't yours go rough ridin' make it yours.
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I like Omari and don't want him Bruced. I don't think whoever we get will be an improvement.
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Why? EMAPE hasn't done anything.
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Wow so we are going to bring in 7 guys this season.
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Omari leaving doesn't bother me nearly as much as Diaz, but I'm kind of a sucker for projects with tons of potential.
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Omari leaving doesn't bother me nearly as much as Diaz, but I'm kind of a sucker for projects with tons of potential.
I agree, if we could keep one I keep Diaz, but I shocked we are Brucing 3, when we had 4 to give to start with
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i feel bad for emape that the wishful thinking has unanimously settled on him.
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Maybe it's doc?
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Does the fact that Omari has already transferred in this past affect his transfer eligibility now?
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well, I guess we don't have to worry about the talking point about it not being oscar's team next year.
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Maybe I should ask it in the recruiting threads, but do you high bball recruiting/oscar IQ people think he is going to sign 3 more, or is he going to hold one or two of those back and try to go after kids in the '14 class?
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3 more.
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Does the fact that Omari has already transferred in this past affect his transfer eligibility now?
Normally it would, because he doesn't have a redshirt, but since he's graduating this year, he could enroll in grad school somewhere else and not have to sit out a year.
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Did Vulture get Bruced?
http://kstatesports.cstvauctions.com/auctiondisplay.cfm?auctionnbr=74124
http://kstatesports.cstvauctions.com/auctiondisplay.cfm?auctionnbr=74758
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Did Vulture get Bruced?
http://kstatesports.cstvauctions.com/auctiondisplay.cfm?auctionnbr=74124
http://kstatesports.cstvauctions.com/auctiondisplay.cfm?auctionnbr=74758
Bye Roh :(
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Did Vulture get Bruced?
http://kstatesports.cstvauctions.com/auctiondisplay.cfm?auctionnbr=74124
http://kstatesports.cstvauctions.com/auctiondisplay.cfm?auctionnbr=74758
I may not completely understand Brucing :dunno: but how is this possible if not on scholly?
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Remember the St John's poster that said Omari woudl be good? Well eff him.
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Sorry you didn't have the right stuff, Angel.
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God Damnit.
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:frown:
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Jevon will be eligible and will play in the spring. We need him. We will have three scholarships to give this semester (One more person is leaving). We will sign another big, another 3/4, and another stud scorer.
from a high-level gpc poster.
lets get this guy at gpc a free premium membership stat.
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Was somebody dogging Colon in this thread? I would feel like a million times better about our post players if he was on our team next year.
Basically my concern is height. Most games Gip is fine, but like LaSalle in the 2nd, there are teams that don't have the answer to it. Diaz may not of been a great option, but I don't think a seven footer is going to be overlooked enough to where you can get one In the late signing period. Would've felt better Diaz improves some and is acceptable enough against mid-majors than take anybody who is out there now. Gip and DJamer are good but are going to be completely ineffective at times.
Yeah it was me, I like LuCo but he was terrible. I used to call guys like him, 5 to give, because that's all they were really good for.
If somebody just would have gotten Lu his nlelephant.
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oscar is recruiting speed, speed, and more speed. Coupled with athleticism from the guard position- Angel may not have been able to win a starting spot down the road. No joke. I like what oscar is doing. Clean house. Make it work at K-State. Love this, really do.
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oscar is recruiting speed, speed, and more speed. Coupled with athleticism from the guard position- Angel may not have been able to win a starting spot down the road. No joke. I like what oscar is doing. Clean house. Make it work at K-State. Love this, really do.
Where is that from? I want to know whether I should feel better or not.
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oscar is recruiting speed, speed, and more speed. Coupled with athleticism from the guard position- Angel may not have been able to win a starting spot down the road. No joke. I like what oscar is doing. Clean house. Make it work at K-State. Love this, really do.
:goodbyecruelworld: :goodbyecruelworld: :goodbyecruelworld: :goodbyecruelworld: :goodbyecruelworld:
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gopowercat is the best.
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gopowercat is the best.
Oh no... :frown:
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oscar is recruiting speed, speed, and more speed. Coupled with athleticism from the guard position- Angel may not have been able to win a starting spot down the road. No joke. I like what oscar is doing. Clean house. Make it work at K-State. Love this, really do.
That's....pretty amazing.
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oscar is recruiting speed, speed, and more speed. Coupled with athleticism from the guard position- Angel may not have been able to win a starting spot down the road. No joke. I like what oscar is doing. Clean house. Make it work at K-State. Love this, really do.
Well I no longer believe Angel transferred 100% because of oscar. I bet a majority of it was because of our Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) racist fanbase.
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oscar is recruiting speed, speed, and more speed. Coupled with athleticism from the guard position- Angel may not have been able to win a starting spot down the road. No joke. I like what oscar is doing. Clean house. Make it work at K-State. Love this, really do.
Well I no longer believe Angel transferred 100% because of oscar. I bet a majority of it was because of our Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) racist fanbase.
Do the rest of K-State fans hurt the image of goEMAW? I have to think they do. There really can't be many fanbases with this harsh of polarization of fans.
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That guy is on a roll. It almost must be a sock. It is too bad to be true.
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oscar is recruiting speed, speed, and more speed. Coupled with athleticism from the guard position- Angel may not have been able to win a starting spot down the road. No joke. I like what oscar is doing. Clean house. Make it work at K-State. Love this, really do.
wow. there are no words for that. i mean, there are words, but when you put try to put them together into a coherent response, it just doesn't work.
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That guy is on a roll. It almost must be a sock. It is too bad to be true.
Who is it?
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oscar is recruiting speed, speed, and more speed. Coupled with athleticism from the guard position- Angel may not have been able to win a starting spot down the road. No joke. I like what oscar is doing. Clean house. Make it work at K-State. Love this, really do.
i'm not up to date on our recruiting, can someone bring me up to speed on all of this speed we have coming in, does his/her post have any merit?
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oscar is recruiting speed, speed, and more speed. Coupled with athleticism from the guard position- Angel may not have been able to win a starting spot down the road. No joke. I like what oscar is doing. Clean house. Make it work at K-State. Love this, really do.
i'm not up to date on our recruiting, can someone bring me up to speed on all of this speed we have coming in, does his/her post have any merit?
Yes, we beat out St. Boni for almost our whole new recruiting class. 'Grats, cat fans!
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St. Boni must be recruiting for speed, too.
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Orris to N. Ill
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Orris to N. Ill
GL Orris.
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oscar is recruiting speed, speed, and more speed. Coupled with athleticism from the guard position- Angel may not have been able to win a starting spot down the road. No joke. I like what oscar is doing. Clean house. Make it work at K-State. Love this, really do.
i'm not up to date on our recruiting, can someone bring me up to speed on all of this speed we have coming in, does his/her post have any merit?
Apparently oscar is using stem cells to make 5 more Denis Clemente's
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Apparently oscar is using stem cells to make 5 more Denis Clemente's
Let's hope he has a little genetic material laying around to make a Curt Kelly and/or a decent big.
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Don't need a big if you have 5 Denis'. No one would be able to keep up.
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Orris to N. Ill
Didn't they score 4 points in a half last season in one game?
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Orris to N. Ill
Didn't they score 4 points in a half last season in one game?
how the eff would I know?
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NIU had a 5 point half to set the record, then had a 4 point half later in the season to break their record.
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Their best player also recently transferred to play some Hoiball for the 'lones.
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looks like Michael Orris found the right fit.
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NIU had a 5 point half to set the record, then had a 4 point half later in the season to break their record.
good to see that they just added some scoring punch with the orris signing.
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Orris to N. Ill
Didn't they score 4 points in a half last season in one game?
how the eff would steve dave know? what the eff?
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so then the bartender says to the porcupine "whatever you do, don't have orris go over and talk to her. he's never helped anyone score in his whole life. i'd send over either turtle or beaver if i were you".
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Does anyone know if Orris scored with a girl and Luke Axtell at the same time?
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Does anyone know if Orris scored with a girl and Luke Axtell at the same time?
I do not know.
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Does anyone know if Orris scored with a girl and Luke Axtell at the same time?
how the eff would anyone know that?
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so then the bartender says to the porcupine "whatever you do, don't have orris go over and talk to her. he's never helped anyone score in his whole life. i'd send over either turtle or beaver if i were you".
:lol:
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so then the bartender says to the porcupine "whatever you do, don't have orris go over and talk to her. he's never helped anyone score in his whole life. i'd send over either turtle or beaver if i were you".
:lol:
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so then the bartender says to the porcupine "whatever you do, don't have orris go over and talk to her. he's never helped anyone score in his whole life. i'd send over either turtle or beaver if i were you".
completely baseless claim by ol' ricKKK daris. orris averaged 4 assists a game during his sr year in high school.
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Ricky d is having a hell of a posting week
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so then the bartender says to the porcupine "whatever you do, don't have orris go over and talk to her. he's never helped anyone score in his whole life. i'd send over either turtle or beaver if i were you".
completely baseless claim by ol' ricKKK daris. orris averaged 4 assists a game during his sr year in high school.
wow it only took pissclams zero posts to drop the race card. how typical.
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Does anyone know if Orris scored with a girl and Luke Axtell at the same time?
how the eff would anyone know that?
Luke Axtell has AIDS so I hope not.
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Gtfo Bolden! :shakesfist:
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It is apparent that we are going to have Oscar at least 1 more year unless someone lures him away. So what players do we suggest he run off to try to get a chance at some bench help. We have to make room for at least one for Shaun Williams.
I nominate
Sallah and Patrick.
Would not be suprised if Stokes transfers.