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Title: Making Counter Offers
Post by: hurtsogood on March 07, 2013, 05:52:19 PM
Just got a job offer.  It's a solid promotion, but I want to make a counter offer on salary.

Give me guidance on how to maneuver that conversation.  Elite business pros only, please... oh wait, that's everyone on this board.
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: wetwillie on March 07, 2013, 06:02:17 PM
How much leverage do you have
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: michigancat on March 07, 2013, 06:05:35 PM
Just got a job offer.  It's a solid promotion, but I want to make a counter offer on salary.

Give me guidance on how to maneuver that conversation.  Elite business pros only, please... oh wait, that's everyone on this board.

Would you take the offer as it stands?

What's the minimum you'd accept? 5% more? 10% more?
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: raquetcat on March 07, 2013, 06:05:40 PM
Just tell them with your experience, knowledge, and background you feel like you're a superior candidate, then make a counter offer of 5-10% more of what they initially offered you. If they won't budge on salary, negotiate moving expenses, signing bonus, etc. I got my company to pay for my mortgage until I sold my house in my old city so I wouldn't have to pay 2 mortgages/rents.
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: raquetcat on March 07, 2013, 06:07:12 PM
Just got a job offer.  It's a solid promotion, but I want to make a counter offer on salary.

Give me guidance on how to maneuver that conversation.  Elite business pros only, please... oh wait, that's everyone on this board.

Would you take the offer as it stands?

What's the minimum you'd accept? 5% more? 10% more?

Take michigancat's advice, the dude moves and makes bank like every 2 years
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: AbeFroman on March 07, 2013, 06:11:38 PM
Do they know you're a K-State grad? Cat fans never get lowballed.
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: hurtsogood on March 07, 2013, 06:26:10 PM
Just got a job offer.  It's a solid promotion, but I want to make a counter offer on salary.

Give me guidance on how to maneuver that conversation.  Elite business pros only, please... oh wait, that's everyone on this board.

Would you take the offer as it stands?

What's the minimum you'd accept? 5% more? 10% more?

I'd probably take it as it stands.  It's a pretty nice pay bump from what I make now, and they know that. That being said, the job is going to come with longer hours, more pressure to produce, and just generally more responsibility than the joke of a job that I work now.

I'd like an additional 10 percent-ish more, but would be happy with 5 percent more.

Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: hurtsogood on March 07, 2013, 06:28:50 PM
How much leverage do you have

They said during my first interview that they were "ready to end the process of searching for someone for this position."  I have another job offer on the horizon (not official, but was basically told that the job was mine when it became available this summer).

But, I only have about 15 months of experience, which isn't exactly a bargaining point that will be good for me. 
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: CNS on March 07, 2013, 06:33:35 PM
Ask for the ten pct
Title: Re: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: michigancat on March 07, 2013, 06:36:11 PM
How much of a pay bump are you getting with the current offer?
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: Pete on March 07, 2013, 06:46:01 PM
You can also ask for more vacation.
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: ew2x4 on March 07, 2013, 06:55:41 PM
Just say you accept the offer, but would like to negotiate the salary.
Title: Re: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: hurtsogood on March 07, 2013, 07:01:31 PM
How much of a pay bump are you getting with the current offer?

30 percent increase.
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: pissclams on March 07, 2013, 07:10:54 PM
How much of a pay bump are you getting with the current offer?

30 percent increase.

take the rough ridin' job and be happy they're being so generous. 
Title: Re: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: hurtsogood on March 07, 2013, 07:12:11 PM
How much of a pay bump are you getting with the current offer?

30 percent increase.

Related note: the offer they made me is below average pay for the position by a solid margin (at least according to CNN and a couple other sources that just came up in my google search).
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: michigancat on March 07, 2013, 07:12:53 PM
How much of a pay bump are you getting with the current offer?

30 percent increase.

take the rough ridin' job and be happy they're being so generous. 

x2
Title: Re: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: chum1 on March 07, 2013, 07:20:45 PM
How much of a pay bump are you getting with the current offer?

30 percent increase.

Related note: the offer they made me is below average pay for the position by a solid margin (at least according to CNN and a couple other sources that just came up in my google search).

Email the links to them. 
Title: Re: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: Kat Kid on March 07, 2013, 08:16:31 PM
How much of a pay bump are you getting with the current offer?

30 percent increase.

Related note: the offer they made me is below average pay for the position by a solid margin (at least according to CNN and a couple other sources that just came up in my google search).

Email the links to them.

Read up on edmunds.com about how to negotiate the price of a car.  You sound like you are already on the right track.  That is pretty much the same for negotiating your salary at a job.  Good luck!
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: Shacks on March 07, 2013, 08:21:28 PM
Roshambo

If you're the last one standing, you get 10% more.  If he's the last one standing, no increase.
Title: Making Counter Offers
Post by: pissclams on March 07, 2013, 08:22:01 PM
How much of a pay bump are you getting with the current offer?

30 percent increase.

Related note: the offer they made me is below average pay for the position by a solid margin (at least according to CNN and a couple other sources that just came up in my google search).
those people have experience, you don't.
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: hurtsogood on March 07, 2013, 08:39:55 PM
Another question: If I put in two weeks notice tomorrow, that will put my last day on March 22, which is the first day of the NCAA tourney.  I requested that day off like two months ago when I bought tickets.  Is it still cool to use that vacation day on March 22 even though it's my last day at my current job?   :dunno:
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: kim carnes on March 07, 2013, 08:41:07 PM
Don't even respond to their offer.  They'll get the message.
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: hurtsogood on March 07, 2013, 08:42:25 PM
Also, what excuse can I use to get a week off in between old job and new job?
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: kim carnes on March 07, 2013, 08:43:08 PM
Also, what excuse can I use to get a week off in between old job and new job?

i think you might be a rough ridin' idiot.
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: hurtsogood on March 07, 2013, 08:44:08 PM
Also, what excuse can I use to get a week off in between old job and new job?

i think you might be a rough ridin' idiot.

I think you might be a meany face.
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: hurtsogood on March 07, 2013, 08:46:32 PM
Also, what excuse can I use to get a week off in between old job and new job?

i think you might be a rough ridin' idiot.

I think you might be a meany face.

But seriously, I need an excuse.  The HR departments will talk to each other.  They're conniving. 
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: chum1 on March 07, 2013, 08:51:46 PM
Oh, please.  Your last day with your current employer is between you and your current employer.  And the same for your first day with your new employer.  And you're entitled to that day off.  What you do with it is your business.
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: CNS on March 07, 2013, 08:52:34 PM
Don't tell them an excuse.  Tell them you want to start on whatever date you want, then tell the others that you are done one week before that.

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Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 07, 2013, 08:56:25 PM
Another question: If I put in two weeks notice tomorrow, that will put my last day on March 22, which is the first day of the NCAA tourney.  I requested that day off like two months ago when I bought tickets.  Is it still cool to use that vacation day on March 22 even though it's my last day at my current job?   :dunno:

It should be ok with your employer, but I would go ahead and work that day. You should always try to leave a job gracefully.
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: CNS on March 07, 2013, 08:59:42 PM
Depends on the employer.  My last employer often escorted ppl out the day the gave their notice for security reasons and simply paid them for those two wks.

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Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: raquetcat on March 07, 2013, 09:00:29 PM
Even if their offer is 30% over what you make now, ask for more, you'll never get an easier raise
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: CNS on March 07, 2013, 09:01:57 PM
Wait, is this a promotion or a dif job and dif employer?

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Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: hurtsogood on March 07, 2013, 09:08:14 PM
Depends on the employer.  My last employer often escorted ppl out the day the gave their notice for security reasons and simply paid them for those two wks.

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This would be great.  Super great.  But I don't think it is going to happen.  They'll just ignore me for two weeks.
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: hurtsogood on March 07, 2013, 09:08:37 PM
Wait, is this a promotion or a dif job and dif employer?

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Dif job and dif employer.
Title: Re: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: CNS on March 07, 2013, 09:09:55 PM
Wait, is this a promotion or a dif job and dif employer?

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Dif job and dif employer.

Yeah start whenever you want and quit a wk earlier

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Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: hurtsogood on March 07, 2013, 09:11:07 PM
Even if their offer is 30% over what you make now, ask for more, you'll never get an easier raise

This is what I was told by a couple of people that I trust.  I've never made a counter offer before, but they made it sound like I'd be an idiot not to make a counter offer.
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: CNS on March 07, 2013, 09:14:19 PM
If they have already offered you the job, all they will do is say that they are firm on their offer. You almost surely won't lose the offer.

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Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: Bloodfart on March 07, 2013, 09:25:29 PM
If they have already offered you the job, all they will do is say that they are firm on their offer. You almost surely won't lose the offer.

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Then ask for additional vacation.  You will need the extra days off to put all that extra $$$ to good use.  :party:
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: michigancat on March 07, 2013, 11:06:37 PM
Wait, is hurtsogood the clown that said he was too manly to go to a FIDLAR concert?
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: hurtsogood on March 07, 2013, 11:44:57 PM
Wait, is hurtsogood the clown that said he was too manly to go to a FIDLAR concert?

I said my brother was too manly.  He likes guns and jets and boom boom things. 

I am definitely not too manly for anything.  Also, I want to be your friend.
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: hurtsogood on March 07, 2013, 11:47:35 PM
Also, I'm still confused about what kind of counter offer I should make, if any.  Cash?  Vacation days?  Both?  Neither?
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: wetwillie on March 07, 2013, 11:50:24 PM
Your going to need to go to the store first prior to making the counter offer.
Title: Re: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: michigancat on March 07, 2013, 11:52:50 PM
Wait, is hurtsogood the clown that said he was too manly to go to a FIDLAR concert?

I said my brother was too manly.  He likes guns and jets and boom boom things. 

I am definitely not too manly for anything.  Also, I want to be your friend.

I don't think I believe you
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: Bloodfart on March 07, 2013, 11:56:08 PM
You could ask for a signing bonus.
Title: Re: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: hurtsogood on March 07, 2013, 11:56:30 PM
Wait, is hurtsogood the clown that said he was too manly to go to a FIDLAR concert?

I said my brother was too manly.  He likes guns and jets and boom boom things. 

I am definitely not too manly for anything.  Also, I want to be your friend.

I don't think I believe you

About the brother part or the "I want to be your friend" part.  Both are sort of sketchy.
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: hurtsogood on March 07, 2013, 11:58:00 PM
You could ask for a signing bonus.

Great.  Another option to consider.  crap. 

I'm not doing so well with this decision.  I think I'll just turn the whole thing down.
Title: Re: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: 8manpick on March 08, 2013, 12:00:15 AM
You could ask for a signing bonus.

Great.  Another option to consider.  crap. 

I'm not doing so well with this decision.  I think I'll just turn the whole thing down.

I negotiated horribly. Basically just asked for $5k more, couldn't come up with a reason when asked, got $2k more. Can't hurt to ask.
Title: Making Counter Offers
Post by: puniraptor on March 08, 2013, 12:03:02 AM
Tell them to pay off your student loans
Title: Making Counter Offers
Post by: EuroCat on March 08, 2013, 01:39:20 AM
You need to put things in their terms. Want 10% more? How are you going to provide 10% of value to the company. Sell them on your skills.


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Title: Making Counter Offers
Post by: felix rex on March 08, 2013, 03:04:59 AM
You need to put things in their terms. Want 10% more? How are you going to provide 10% of value to the company. Sell them on your skills.


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This is good advice. Don't ask for more. Tell them you're worth more. And don't be all chicken crap nervous about it. They're not gonna take the job away. I hate people that don't negotiate salary. They ruin the curve for everyone else.
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: GoodForAnother on March 08, 2013, 09:25:50 AM
You could ask for a signing bonus.

Great.  Another option to consider.  crap. 

I'm not doing so well with this decision.  I think I'll just turn the whole thing down.

you're kind of dumb.  you just said that the offer is below the average salary for the position.  call them and say you accept their offer but were wondering if the salary can be negotiated as you have done some research and it's below the average market for a comparable position.  they will either say yes or no.  then it will be over.
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 08, 2013, 09:28:11 AM
They EXPECT you to make a counter offer.  If you don't they'll think you're a pussy.  As for 10 or 12%, and they'll come back with 5 or 6%, and take that.  You need to cash in on this now, because from here on out most raises are going to be like "merit increases" and it'll be your standard 3 to 5 % a year, no matter how much you make now.  You need to make this one count. 

Also, don't ever EVER tell the truth about how much you currently make when you're interviewing outside.  Always inflate that number. They have no way of knowing anyway.  It'll give you more leverage when it comes to talking salary.
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: CNS on March 08, 2013, 09:35:51 AM
The salary avg thing is tricky.  depending on what kind of job it is and how long ppl stay in that position, there could be quite a discrepancy from starting avg to overall avg.

Also, I fully agree with Emo
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on March 08, 2013, 09:37:58 AM
I negotiated the crap out of my starter job. They gave me a gift card to CostCo for $50 AND everyone in my team signed a card that said welcome aboard and had a guy sailing on it.

Did you try asking for a CostCo gift card?
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: CNS on March 08, 2013, 09:41:10 AM
I tried and was shot down.  That said, I was paid $2k-$4k more than the others in my class whose offers I knew about and was given $5k for moving expenses from a one bedroom in manhattan to Lenexa.  :lol:

so, I wasn't too concerned about it.
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: GoodForAnother on March 08, 2013, 09:49:16 AM
pro-tip: if you're taking a salary job or buying something that costs more than $500, you are expected to negotiate.  if you don't then they are laughing at you behind your back.
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: Willesgirl on March 08, 2013, 10:36:42 AM
They EXPECT you to make a counter offer.  If you don't they'll think you're a pussy.  As for 10 or 12%, and they'll come back with 5 or 6%, and take that.  You need to cash in on this now, because from here on out most raises are going to be like "merit increases" and it'll be your standard 3 to 5 % a year, no matter how much you make now.  You need to make this one count. 

Also, don't ever EVER tell the truth about how much you currently make when you're interviewing outside.  Always inflate that number. They have no way of knowing anyway.  It'll give you more leverage when it comes to talking salary.

Did I screw up then? I said I made a little less than I actually do, because I really, really want this gig I am interviewing for next week.

I just thought I'd be a more attractive candidate if I was willing to work for a little less. (I always negotiate for 4 weeks vacation.)
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: chum1 on March 08, 2013, 10:37:52 AM
You just know all of the avid pro negotiation people are sitting around every afternoon at their super losery jobs, nodding their heads to some conservative talk radio nonsense.
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on March 08, 2013, 10:40:58 AM
They EXPECT you to make a counter offer.  If you don't they'll think you're a pussy.  As for 10 or 12%, and they'll come back with 5 or 6%, and take that.  You need to cash in on this now, because from here on out most raises are going to be like "merit increases" and it'll be your standard 3 to 5 % a year, no matter how much you make now.  You need to make this one count. 

Also, don't ever EVER tell the truth about how much you currently make when you're interviewing outside.  Always inflate that number. They have no way of knowing anyway.  It'll give you more leverage when it comes to talking salary.

Did I screw up then? I said I made a little less than I actually do, because I really, really want this gig I am interviewing for next week.

I just thought I'd be a more attractive candidate if I was willing to work for a little less. (I always negotiate for 4 weeks vacation.)

Unless you mow lawns for a living, you shouldn't act like you are willing to work for less. I wouldn't worry about it too much, if you are the best candidate you will get the job as long as you're not asking for a ridiculous salary.

Good luck with the job hunt.
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: Willesgirl on March 08, 2013, 10:44:33 AM
Thanks, KC-C. Good luck to you on the lady hunt.
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: ben ji on March 08, 2013, 10:45:08 AM
They EXPECT you to make a counter offer.  If you don't they'll think you're a pussy.  As for 10 or 12%, and they'll come back with 5 or 6%, and take that.  You need to cash in on this now, because from here on out most raises are going to be like "merit increases" and it'll be your standard 3 to 5 % a year, no matter how much you make now.  You need to make this one count. 

Also, don't ever EVER tell the truth about how much you currently make when you're interviewing outside.  Always inflate that number. They have no way of knowing anyway.  It'll give you more leverage when it comes to talking salary.

Did I screw up then? I said I made a little less than I actually do, because I really, really want this gig I am interviewing for next week.

I just thought I'd be a more attractive candidate if I was willing to work for a little less. (I always negotiate for 4 weeks vacation.)

Hmmm, willesgirl and fanning are looking for a job at the same time.

WHODATHUNK!?!?!?
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: Willesgirl on March 08, 2013, 11:03:30 AM
 :facepalm:

I've been at my current job for several years now. It's time to move on. I do not, nor have I ever, bone anyone I work with. That should clear up any misconceptions, right?
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: hurtsogood on March 08, 2013, 11:54:38 AM
You could ask for a signing bonus.

Great.  Another option to consider.  crap. 

I'm not doing so well with this decision.  I think I'll just turn the whole thing down.

you're kind of dumb. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFh5FzXIeBg
Title: Re: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: 8manpick on March 08, 2013, 12:08:28 PM
:facepalm:

I've been at my current job for several years now. It's time to move on. I do not, nor have I ever, bone anyone I work with. That should clear up any misconceptions, right?
Edward Norton : Brad Pitt :: fanning : willesgirl
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: Brock Landers on March 08, 2013, 12:39:01 PM
I just accepted another position within my company last week.  I was offered a meager raise and I counter offered but was told the raise offered was firm.  This new job is better but the move is considered to be lateral and many of the people on my team have been with the company for 20 plus years.
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 08, 2013, 12:40:18 PM
I just accepted another position within my company last week.  I was offered a meager raise and I counter offered but was told the raise offered was firm.  This new job is better but the move is considered to be lateral and many of the people on my team have been with the company for 20 plus years.

Have done that too.  Hate that crap.  It is what it is, though.  I sorta think if you want make bank (over all else) you have to switch companies every few years.  If you want to be happy then find the place in the company where you want to be and get there, money be damned.
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: hurtsogood on March 08, 2013, 12:55:18 PM
I sorta think if you want make bank (over all else) you have to switch companies every few years. 

My sister works in advertising and this is what she does.  Picks up like 5-10k every time she moves to another agency.  She also takes like 2-3 weeks off in between jobs.  It's a pretty great strategy if you can pull it off.
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: ChiComCat on March 08, 2013, 01:11:39 PM
I sorta think if you want make bank (over all else) you have to switch companies every few years. 

My sister works in advertising and this is what she does.  Picks up like 5-10k every time she moves to another agency.  She also takes like 2-3 weeks off in between jobs.  It's a pretty great strategy if you can pull it off.

I have switched jobs twice in the past 3 years and lied about my previous salary to each new potential employer.  I am now making about double what I was at the start (though I was pretty underpaid at the start and cost of living is higher where I am).
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: pissclams on March 08, 2013, 01:37:29 PM
I sorta think if you want make bank (over all else) you have to switch companies every few years. 

My sister works in advertising and this is what she does.  Picks up like 5-10k every time she moves to another agency.  She also takes like 2-3 weeks off in between jobs.  It's a pretty great strategy if you can pull it off.

I have switched jobs twice in the past 3 years and lied about my previous salary to each new potential employer.  I am now making about double what I was at the start (though I was pretty underpaid at the start and cost of living is higher where I am).
usually a pretty safe route.  your old company won't release your salary info b/c of privacy concerns.  but, clams had a friend who was a former hustler model who tried this when switching companies (not from hustler to another company, this was years ago), but her new company asked for proof of her old salary (pay stub) within 2 weeks of being hired.  she couldn't produce and got canned.
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: ChiComCat on March 08, 2013, 01:43:38 PM
Wow, seems like an odd request.  Either they are worth having at the salary you offered or not.
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: pissclams on March 08, 2013, 01:47:54 PM
ya she's the only person i know that got busted that way.  if someone did ask, i would reply with a "i was speaking in terms of total comp" and just layer in benefits like health insurance/401k, etc until i reached the number that i claimed i was making. 
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: CNS on March 08, 2013, 01:52:26 PM
I sorta think if you want make bank (over all else) you have to switch companies every few years. 

My sister works in advertising and this is what she does.  Picks up like 5-10k every time she moves to another agency.  She also takes like 2-3 weeks off in between jobs.  It's a pretty great strategy if you can pull it off.

I have switched jobs twice in the past 3 years and lied about my previous salary to each new potential employer.  I am now making about double what I was at the start (though I was pretty underpaid at the start and cost of living is higher where I am).
usually a pretty safe route.  your old company won't release your salary info b/c of privacy concerns.  but, clams had a friend who was a former hustler model who tried this when switching companies (not from hustler to another company, this was years ago), but her new company asked for proof of her old salary (pay stub) within 2 weeks of being hired.  she couldn't produce and got canned.

That's pretty mumped up.  either she was worth the salary they agreed to or she wasn't.  what she made at her old gig is irrelevant at that point. 
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: ben ji on March 08, 2013, 01:53:38 PM
I sorta think if you want make bank (over all else) you have to switch companies every few years. 

My sister works in advertising and this is what she does.  Picks up like 5-10k every time she moves to another agency.  She also takes like 2-3 weeks off in between jobs.  It's a pretty great strategy if you can pull it off.

I have switched jobs twice in the past 3 years and lied about my previous salary to each new potential employer.  I am now making about double what I was at the start (though I was pretty underpaid at the start and cost of living is higher where I am).
usually a pretty safe route.  your old company won't release your salary info b/c of privacy concerns.  but, clams had a friend who was a former hustler model who tried this when switching companies (not from hustler to another company, this was years ago), but her new company asked for proof of her old salary (pay stub) within 2 weeks of being hired.  she couldn't produce and got canned.

That's pretty mumped up.  either she was worth the salary they agreed to or she wasn't.  what she made at her old gig is irrelevant at that point.

Yeah. Seems to me like the company that hired her realized they agreed to pay her to much after they hired her and were looking for a way to get rid of her.
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 08, 2013, 01:53:43 PM
I sorta think if you want make bank (over all else) you have to switch companies every few years. 

My sister works in advertising and this is what she does.  Picks up like 5-10k every time she moves to another agency.  She also takes like 2-3 weeks off in between jobs.  It's a pretty great strategy if you can pull it off.

I have switched jobs twice in the past 3 years and lied about my previous salary to each new potential employer.  I am now making about double what I was at the start (though I was pretty underpaid at the start and cost of living is higher where I am).
usually a pretty safe route.  your old company won't release your salary info b/c of privacy concerns.  but, clams had a friend who was a former hustler model who tried this when switching companies (not from hustler to another company, this was years ago), but her new company asked for proof of her old salary (pay stub) within 2 weeks of being hired.  she couldn't produce and got canned.

There are people you can pay to make these things for you.  It's not that much.
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: pissclams on March 08, 2013, 01:57:37 PM
welp, the good news is that one time when ol clams was at her house with his gf, she brought out the hustler she was in and there were pics of her with another girl in it.  so anyway. 
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: chum1 on March 08, 2013, 01:58:55 PM
I seriously would have photoshopped a paystub in that situation.  But I wouldn't have lied in the first place, though.
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: pissclams on March 08, 2013, 01:59:31 PM
I seriously would have photoshopped a paystub in that situation.  But I wouldn't have lied in the first place, though.

if you're not lying, you're not doing it right.  and i doubt she could spell photoshop.
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: ChiComCat on March 08, 2013, 02:05:15 PM
ya she's the only person i know that got busted that way.  if someone did ask, i would reply with a "i was speaking in terms of total comp" and just layer in benefits like health insurance/401k, etc until i reached the number that i claimed i was making. 

Yea, just say an end of year bonus of 20% and be done with it.
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: michigancat on March 08, 2013, 02:06:15 PM
welp, the good news is that one time when ol clams was at her house with his gf, she brought out the hustler she was in and there were pics of her with another girl in it.  so anyway. 

I'm glad there was a happy ending to this story.
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: pissclams on March 08, 2013, 02:10:44 PM
welp, the good news is that one time when ol clams was at her house with his gf, she brought out the hustler she was in and there were pics of her with another girl in it.  so anyway. 

I'm glad there was a happy ending to this story.

it isn't over yet, here's another curve ball.   then she got out the pictures of when she dated glen danzig. 
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: Brock Landers on March 08, 2013, 02:17:10 PM
This is actually a cool story, bro.
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: SkinnyBenny on May 14, 2013, 12:45:56 AM
welp, the good news is that one time when ol clams was at her house with his gf, she brought out the hustler she was in and there were pics of her with another girl in it.  so anyway. 

I'm glad there was a happy ending to this story.

it isn't over yet, here's another curve ball.   then she got out the pictures of when she dated glen danzig.

Did NOT see that coming.


Also this thread is gonna come in handy for me 2maro
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: Tobias on May 14, 2013, 12:52:33 AM
Did NOT see that coming.


Also this thread is gonna come in handy for me 2maro

GL SB  :users:
Title: Making Counter Offers
Post by: SkinnyBenny on May 14, 2013, 01:02:31 AM
T-y Tb
Title: Making Counter Offers
Post by: SkinnyBenny on May 14, 2013, 07:33:52 AM
:nervous:
Title: Making Counter Offers
Post by: Tobias on May 14, 2013, 08:04:47 AM
have access to xanax? :cool:
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: Tobias on May 15, 2013, 12:09:12 AM
SO WHAT HAPPENED SB? :foottappingguy:
Title: Making Counter Offers
Post by: SkinnyBenny on May 15, 2013, 08:00:52 AM
They're waiting on a call back from HR to see if it's in the budget. :dubious:  Seemed to be chipper about it and open to it, though. :dunno:
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: star seed 7 on May 15, 2013, 01:00:48 PM
They're waiting on a call back from HR to see if it's in the budget. :dubious:  Seemed to be chipper about it and open to it, though. :dunno:

so they can be all "aw shucks" and buddy buddy with you when "HR" says no.
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: wetwillie on May 15, 2013, 01:07:29 PM
Be prepared to walk away SB
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: SkinnyBenny on May 17, 2013, 11:12:35 AM
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Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: CNS on May 17, 2013, 11:16:27 AM
Crunk Ain't Dead indeed.

'Grats SkiBen!
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: raquetcat on May 17, 2013, 01:03:25 PM
Way to go skinny Benny! I can imagine you doing this :gocho: to all the non EMAW grads around you
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: SkinnyBenny on May 17, 2013, 01:05:53 PM
Way to go skinny Benny! I can imagine you doing this :gocho: to all the non EMAW grads around you

I had double bargaining power and superb leverage because not only am I an EMAW but I am also an MHS Indian. racquetcat you know how that goes.
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: Institutional Control on May 17, 2013, 01:33:20 PM
Congrats, SB.  :dance:
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: WonderMeal on June 07, 2013, 09:55:57 AM
Welp:

 :kstategrad: :kstategrad: :kstategrad:


Here's me this weekend:
 :billdance: :bill: :kstatriot: :ksu:  :party: :emawkid: :cheese: :excited: :cheers: :lynchmob:  :dance: :block: :adored: :AA:  :gocho:
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: SkinnyBenny on May 14, 2015, 04:22:56 PM
oh hai


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Here's me this weekend:
 :combofan:   :katpak:  :cheers: :excited: :ksu: :whistle1: :weirdrobert: :alleyoop: :ump: :cheese: :moreira: :comeatme: :bill: :Jammin':
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: puniraptor on May 14, 2015, 04:29:04 PM
maybe you can get that garage you always wanted!
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: SkinnyBenny on May 14, 2015, 04:39:52 PM
maybe you can get that garage you always wanted!

:pray:

Here are three good articles for anybody interested in asking for a raise or negotiating a counter offer or whatever. Got 'em yesterday from a solid clone.

https://hbr.org/2014/04/15-rules-for-negotiating-a-job-offer

https://hbr.org/2014/06/how-to-negotiate-with-someone-more-powerful-than-you

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/04/ask-a-hostage-negotiator-whats-the-best-way-to-talk-about-a-raise/391943/



Oh, by the way. This thread has it all, as you'll see when you re-read from the beginning.
--Honest inquiry from a nice young chap
--PI from kim carnes
--Some legitimately good advice
--Crazy 'clams story pt. 1
--Crazy 'clams story pt. 2
--Posters celebrating each others' achievements
--a picture of Huell's pointy head now
--talk about SB's garage (dream world)
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: 8manpick on February 09, 2018, 12:13:16 PM
:billdance:
Did pretty good at this in my annual review today! :party:
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: SkinnyBenny on February 16, 2018, 07:15:20 PM
Is it time to ask for a raise?  :impatient:
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: steve dave on February 16, 2018, 07:51:41 PM
this is right in my wheelhouse. AMA on this.
Title: Re: Making Counter Offers
Post by: SkinnyBenny on February 16, 2018, 09:29:59 PM
What's the biggest raise/bonus/counter-offer percentage SD ever got?