if i'm a student, no way i go to this game. no rough ridin' way.
I thought I ventured over to GPC for second... Bunch of ol' balls on the board tonight.
BTW... You can't get your panties in a bunch when the students chant eff and then complain when they don't show up because the game experience has been watered down.
Its a Monday night. What the heck are you gonna do, study? LOL. I would have dreamed of having a ranked team to watch when i was in school.
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if i'm a student, no way i go to this game. no rough ridin' way.
F that. If I'm a student I'm a EVERY game. Would have been even during Woolly years.
A lot of dumbasses in this thread that are within driving distance, calling out other dumbasses for not showing up. :popcorn:
the students don't want to go to the game. either some one in K-State marketing is dropping the ball, or there are too many students seats. the team is doing great.A lot of dumbasses in this thread that are within driving distance, calling out other dumbasses for not showing up. :popcorn:
no. denied. calling out the students who live on campus is a different.
oscar sucks.
Doesn't change that oscar sucks.
Doesn't change that oscar sucks.he may suck but he doesn't this season. the product on the floor isn't (or shouldn't be) why they're not showing up.
This is not one of those intentionally pompous thoughts, but maybe students are tired of watching us blow people out? Maybe they just think "meh, we'll rough ridin' kill them. I'll catch the first half on ESPN and then go study for my Finance 450 test".
oscar EVEN BROUGHT PIZZA FOR YOU DUMBASS STUDENTSlol that email went out an hour and a half after tip
AND FREE T-SHIRTS!
This is not one of those intentionally pompous thoughts, but maybe students are tired of watching us blow people out? Maybe they just think "meh, we'll rough ridin' kill them. I'll catch the first half on ESPN and then go study for my Finance 450 test".
Pfffffttt
Can't really expect them to show up for these late season games against non con teams.
Just occurred to me: The higher your percentage enrollment of hayseed chicken fuckers, the lower percentage of the student body that appreciates good college basketball. Maybe we can combat this by giving away free chewing tobacco.:bait:
Big Monday, AP top #15, first place in the Big XII.
:lol:
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if i'm a student, no way i go to this game. no rough ridin' way.
Was it full against Baylor? Dumb, boring discussion either way.
students shouldn't have 4000+ seats. That's just a fact. yeah its fun when we fill it, but the excitement is not there and probably won't be for a very long time. If we have a normal sized student section of 2000 or so its packed every game. Fact of the matter is the fence sitting students won't show up to see us play a .500 team at 8 o clock the week teachers are pounding out their first tests of the semester. The AD shouldn't allow SGA a vote to renew the agreement to have the certain amount of seats when the current one is up in 3 years.
Remember when we played teams that we cared about?
Missouri? Nebraska? Colorado?
Baylor?? West rough ridin' Virginia? JFC :dubious:
There seems to be a belief that people would fill those seats if only the students did not have those seats.we fill them sometimes over the christmas break townie garbage games.
Less tickets is the obvious answer. That whole tarp / end needs fixed. Even full it looks like crap and the band setup makes it look empty. Pretty strange to look over there tonight and see 2 whole sections empty.
Less tickets is the obvious answer. That whole tarp / end needs fixed. Even full it looks like crap and the band setup makes it look empty. Pretty strange to look over there tonight and see 2 whole sections empty.
Maybe the band is the issue, I wouldn't want to sit behind those smelly losers either.
Yeah, and I bet you only went to FB games when team was top 10 and on way to DP.if i'm a student, no way i go to this game. no rough ridin' way.
F that. If I'm a student I'm a EVERY game. Would have been even during Woolly years.
thats the difference between you and I, (ksu)brian
There seems to be a belief that people would fill those seats if only the students did not have those seats.
Maybe you guys should have actual seats throughout your arena instead of cheap bleacher seating... I mean, it looks worse than the Jack Trice South Endzone.:eek:
students shouldn't have 4000+ seats. That's just a fact. yeah its fun when we fill it, but the excitement is not there and probably won't be for a very long time. If we have a normal sized student section of 2000 or so its packed every game. Fact of the matter is the fence sitting students won't show up to see us play a .500 team at 8 o clock the week teachers are pounding out their first tests of the semester. The AD shouldn't allow SGA a vote to renew the agreement to have the certain amount of seats when the current one is up in 3 years.
4000 would be perfect, right now it's at 6000.
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the problem is that oscar is a has-been and people don't get behind second chance stories like they do for charismatic underdogs unless the person had a spectacular meltdown during their first chance (Josh Hamilton, Tiger Woods, Ray Lewis). so unless I hear about some slutiness, homicide, or heroin addiction, the oscar Weber Show isn't compelling enough for me to be at every game.
Really, making the student section look like Bennettville was probably the best way to greet Huggins. I imagine that hurt him more than any amount of booing could have.
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I HATE our students right now. No students in the history of our school have ever had it so good.
HATE.
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I HATE our students right now. No students in the history of our school have ever had it so good.
HATE.
Is this the first year for the cards instead of tickets? It works seem that would make it tougher to give tickets to other people.
Is this the first year for the cards instead of tickets? It works seem that would make it tougher to give tickets to other people.
Is this the first year for the cards instead of tickets? It works seem that would make it tougher to give tickets to other people.
This is the second year.
You know what's really pathetic? Grown ups worrying about the social habits of 19 year olds.
it would be cool to be one of those schools that are really really good but still has a completely apathetic and disinterested fanbase. that's my vote.
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I HATE our students right now. No students in the history of our school have ever had it so good.
HATE.
Sucks that those are student seats, but K-State is probably always going to struggle with attendance for most midweek games. It's great and all that we're got :AA:, but it's still a 2 hour drive from KC. That's why we have such a bigass student section to begin with.they already pretty much do this.
Why not require that all student ticketholders be through the turnstiles at least 5 minutes to tip, then close the student entry and sell cheap GAs to the townies, like flying standby?
After reading this thread, I feel less bad for mushing a dumbass student last night. A part of me was like "Fanning, you're 28, in the student section, are you really doing this?" However, after I thought about it, it was warranted and I'm happy.
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I HATE our non-student athlete students right now. No non-student athlete students in the history of our school have ever had it so good.
HATE.
technically the players are students. :peek:
After reading this thread, I feel less bad for mushing a dumbass student last night. A part of me was like "Fanning, you're 28, in the student section, are you really doing this?" However, after I thought about it, it was warranted and I'm happy.
What would this thread have to do with mushing a student that was actually at the game? TIA.
Nothing. But 4 pages later with grown men bitching about students filling the seats during test week, I feel less Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) for my actions, cause they're both petty. Not all of them are die hard like us. They need to find a better way to give away the tickets.After reading this thread, I feel less bad for mushing a dumbass student last night. A part of me was like "Fanning, you're 28, in the student section, are you really doing this?" However, after I thought about it, it was warranted and I'm happy.
What would this thread have to do with mushing a student that was actually at the game? TIA.
Nothing. But 4 pages later with grown men bitching about students filling the seats during test week, I feel less Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) for my actions. Not all of them are die hard like us. They need to find a better way to give away the tickets.After reading this thread, I feel less bad for mushing a dumbass student last night. A part of me was like "Fanning, you're 28, in the student section, are you really doing this?" However, after I thought about it, it was warranted and I'm happy.
What would this thread have to do with mushing a student that was actually at the game? TIA.
I think student attendance is a valid concern and I'm not sure why people are quick to dismiss it.
I think student attendance is a valid concern and I'm not sure why people are quick to dismiss it.How do you plan to fix it, dlew?
I don't care one way or another what a student does with their time . . . it's just time to reduce the size of the student section and to start selling those tickets to the general population.
I think student attendance is a valid concern and I'm not sure why people are quick to dismiss it.
I think student attendance is a valid concern and I'm not sure why people are quick to dismiss it.
Yeah! Let's start by calling students "pathetic"!
it's odd that a lot of you fail to realize the real solution to an empty venue is to not hire a coach that people hate, nor want to see.
it's odd that a lot of you fail to realize the real solution to an empty venue is to not hire a coach that people hate, nor want to see.
Yeah, I think that's ridiculous. The students who aren't going don't want to go. I don't blame them for that.I think student attendance is a valid concern and I'm not sure why people are quick to dismiss it.
Yeah! Let's start by calling students "pathetic"!
I think student attendance is a valid concern and I'm not sure why people are quick to dismiss it.
I do think the Athletic Department, in general, could do much more to improve the in-game atmosphere to encourage attendance of younger people. Our in-game presentation is pretty tired and uninspiring.
I think student attendance is a valid concern and I'm not sure why people are quick to dismiss it.
I do think the Athletic Department, in general, could do much more to improve the in-game atmosphere to encourage attendance of younger people. Our in-game presentation is pretty tired and uninspiring.
I would like to see wifi and free shuttle buses from the residence halls/aggievillie, even if it is only for the students. I sure it won't fill the 1000+ that were empty last night but it would help remove one of the biggest obstacles (paying for parking/walking in the cold) and maybe the wifi makes it more fun for the less hardcore fans (assuming they have the same problems with Verizon that I seem to have).
I don't know. If it were up to me, we'd cut student seating by about 500 or so (for starters) and create a super cheap GA section behind the basket. I don't know if this is feasible because I'm not a business guy.I think student attendance is a valid concern and I'm not sure why people are quick to dismiss it.How do you plan to fix it, dlew?
it's odd that a lot of you fail to realize the real solution to an empty venue is to not hire a coach that people hate, nor want to see.
I think the general student population likes oscar Weber. That isn't why they aren't coming.
I don't know. If it were up to me, we'd cut student seating by about 500 or so (for starters) and create a super cheap GA section behind the basket. I don't know if this is feasible because I'm not a business guy.I think student attendance is a valid concern and I'm not sure why people are quick to dismiss it.How do you plan to fix it, dlew?
But a first place conference team against a personality like Huggins should be an easy sell.
I did not know that, :curse: at paying $5 bucks when I was driving both ways uphill in the snow to the Bram back in the day.I think student attendance is a valid concern and I'm not sure why people are quick to dismiss it.
I do think the Athletic Department, in general, could do much more to improve the in-game atmosphere to encourage attendance of younger people. Our in-game presentation is pretty tired and uninspiring.
I would like to see wifi and free shuttle buses from the residence halls/aggievillie, even if it is only for the students. I sure it won't fill the 1000+ that were empty last night but it would help remove one of the biggest obstacles (paying for parking/walking in the cold) and maybe the wifi makes it more fun for the less hardcore fans (assuming they have the same problems with Verizon that I seem to have).
Parking is free for students
to some degree i think it did. the OOD brand made going to games exciting. it was a party. i also think the novelty of a big time bball program had something to do with it.it's odd that a lot of you fail to realize the real solution to an empty venue is to not hire a coach that people hate, nor want to see.
I think the general student population likes oscar Weber. That isn't why they aren't coming.
did they like frank more that made their decision to attend easier?
another idea is to decrease the entire arena by a few thousand seats by expanding the concourses inwards instead of outwardsActually, a big stadium club with a view of the game like the big suite behind the South(?) basket at the Sprint Center would be pretty cool and get rid of some of the worst seats in the building.
to some degree i think it did. the OOD brand made going to games exciting. it was a party. i also think the novelty of a big time bball program had something to do with it.it's odd that a lot of you fail to realize the real solution to an empty venue is to not hire a coach that people hate, nor want to see.
I think the general student population likes oscar Weber. That isn't why they aren't coming.
did they like frank more that made their decision to attend easier?
I don't know. If it were up to me, we'd cut student seating by about 500 or so (for starters) and create a super cheap GA section behind the basket. I don't know if this is feasible because I'm not a business guy.I think student attendance is a valid concern and I'm not sure why people are quick to dismiss it.How do you plan to fix it, dlew?
But a first place conference team against a personality like Huggins should be an easy sell.
Big Monday, Top 15, 1st place; those are plenty.
To be fair, our general student population probably could care less about Bob Huggins. They were in middle school or early high school when he was at K-State, and many probably don't even know he coached here.
Again, I think the empties in Section 24/25 are somewhat being addressed by the "Wildcat Victory Plan" promotion, so something is being done for next season.
Again, I think the empties in Section 24/25 are somewhat being addressed by the "Wildcat Victory Plan" promotion, so something is being done for next season.
What does that involve?
2013-14 WILDCAT VICTORY PLAN
For the 2013-14 season, receive all non-conference and all mid-week conference games (excluding any Big Monday games and KU) in general admission (sections 24-25) for only $129.
But act fast... the price goes up $10 after each victory for the remainder of the regular season, and quantities are limited. Package will include a minimum of 10 games.
Here is how I see it. I am a student and was at the game last night. I own an ICat season ticket pass and have been to all of the home games excluding 1 of the Christmas break games. Last night there were classes that have many students enrolled(calculus, chemistry, bio etc) that had tests during the game. The ICat section was completely full for most of the game until students started leaving because it was a very boring game. I know atleast 3 people that had tests last night. I also have realized that most GA ticket pass holders only care about Football. They were not willing to pay an extra 70 dollars to get mid court seats in basketball. They also only care about showing up for the big games like KU. I think the solution is to do something about tickets for GA pass holders so that we can get more people to go to the game. Maybe just allow them to buy football passes then buy tickets for games that they would like to go to in basketball. Then sell the tickets that won't be used to the general public for a very discounted price.
We're doing a pretty poor job of promoting games, IMO. I am a pretty big K-State :bball: fan and didn't realize we were playing a Big Monday game until yesterday morning.The scan on entry and exit suggested earlier in this thread would address that and think any idea that rewards the die hard is a good one.
Easiest fix: go back to print your own student tickets, set up a ticket exchange sit. Facebook works, and was good for this before season pass style tickets. That way you can give and get your tickets from anyone without worrying if they are going to return it.
You could try connecting your ability / priority for buying iCAT combo packages (or young alumni for graduating students) for the the next year to the number of games you attended, although that would create more of the scan and leave issue that connecting the KU game priority to games attended.
Anybody that thinks every student has to be at every game is an old tuck. The problem is simply too many student tickets because AD doesn't want to have to sell more seats to non students. That's harder than just making students buy them. Everybody has obligations during some games...the AD needs To quit relying on students to fill up an already fairly small gym.So what you're saying is our AD is a lazy POS
Anybody that thinks every student has to be at every game is an old tuck. The problem is simply too many student tickets because AD doesn't want to have to sell more seats to non students. That's harder than just making students buy them. Everybody has obligations during some games...the AD needs To quit relying on students to fill up an already fairly small gym.
Less tickets is the obvious answer. That whole tarp / end needs fixed. Even full it looks like crap and the band setup makes it look empty. Pretty strange to look over there tonight and see 2 whole sections empty.
lil bro gon' lil bro
How many students stayed home when they found out we weren't doing a Harlem Shake video?
Less tickets is the obvious answer. That whole tarp / end needs fixed. Even full it looks like crap and the band setup makes it look empty. Pretty strange to look over there tonight and see 2 whole sections empty.
Do you have any idea how many arenas, even new arenas have tarps and what they are used for? It isn't getting "fixed" because it doesn't need to be.
Here is how I see it. I am a student and was at the game last night. I own an ICat season ticket pass and have been to all of the home games excluding 1 of the Christmas break games. Last night there were classes that have many students enrolled(calculus, chemistry, bio etc) that had tests during the game. The ICat section was completely full for most of the game until students started leaving because it was a very boring game. I know atleast 3 people that had tests last night.I also have realized that most GA ticket pass holders only care about Football. They were not willing to pay an extra 70 dollars to get mid court seats in basketball. They also only care about showing up for the big games like KU.I think the solution is to do something about tickets for GA pass holders so that we can get more people to go to the game. Maybe just allow them to buy football passes then buy tickets for games that they would like to go to in basketball. Then sell the tickets that won't be used to the general public for a very discounted price.
Do you have any idea how many arenas, even new arenas have tarps and what they are used for? It isn't getting "fixed" because it doesn't need to be.
The hyping of one game with awarding points etc should also be stopped. It basically tells the average pud tshirt fan, you only should care about one game.I agree. I really think they should do rewards points to designate sections for the next season. That way we have students spread throughout and don't have completely empty sections. Those sections would be full of freshmen. It also gives a reward to people who actually attend games.
The problem is simply too many student tickets because AD doesn't want to have to sell more seats to non students.
lil bro gon' lil bro
Why do you think he's banging the attendance smack drum? This is the only talking point he has right now. He's trying to distract himself from bill banging every filly in Lawrence. It's about to blow up.lil bro gon' lil bro
Uh oh, let's hope Beemsy doesn't see the new developments in that thread about how his scumbag coach knocked up a coed and is getting divorced. He'd be SO pissed.
Really, when you look at the size of our student body, 6000 tickets is just an enormous amount. That's about 25% of the student body.
What an awesome thread. 'Grats, Beems: http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=172&f=2481&t=11300565&p=1
Southwell has been playing so far over his head. The reaching and grabbing that Rodriguez gets away with is ridiculous compared to the fouls that got called on West Virginia early.
How the hell can KSU get away with so many arm slaps. Its like they do it so much, they are hardly called for it.
Also seems like every team brings their D game to play Ksu while we get the A game from teams... Minus tejas
My favorite part of watching a grape home game is the constant booing. Do the Hayseeds even know what they are booing about? Is it instinct to disagree with things they don't understand?
I think its the fact that Ksucks fans dont think they ever get any calls. Ksucks hack attack defense gets the kindness whistle in the league by far. This is the only year you have been good enough to make it matter
Do you have any idea how many arenas, even new arenas have tarps and what they are used for? It isn't getting "fixed" because it doesn't need to be.
No. how many?
a lot, pretty much every multi purpose building
Guys, the GA ticket idea for next year is pretty smart on the AD's part. The only part that they probably messed up was the "Big Monday" thing. Let that promotion run next year and see how it works out. I'm sure they can go down a similar path with the SGA in the future if they need to start selling GA single games for $35 to conference, in-week games as student attendance dictates. All they have to say is if the students start to show up again, we'll stop selling the extra tickets and there will be pleanty of room for the students.
Also, why did they do away with the "download your own paper tickets with barcodes" idea. Was there an actual issue with that or was that some eco-friendly for the sake of eco-friendly change?
What an awesome thread. 'Grats, Beems: http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=172&f=2481&t=11300565&p=1QuoteSouthwell has been playing so far over his head. The reaching and grabbing that Rodriguez gets away with is ridiculous compared to the fouls that got called on West Virginia early.QuoteHow the hell can KSU get away with so many arm slaps. Its like they do it so much, they are hardly called for it.
Also seems like every team brings their D game to play Ksu while we get the A game from teams... Minus tejasQuoteMy favorite part of watching a grape home game is the constant booing. Do the Hayseeds even know what they are booing about? Is it instinct to disagree with things they don't understand?QuoteI think its the fact that Ksucks fans dont think they ever get any calls. Ksucks hack attack defense gets the kindness whistle in the league by far. This is the only year you have been good enough to make it matter
I don't know what to think of their logic.
they're right about the booing. its losery
Did the AD sell out of student tickets? Maybe instead of selling 6000 tickets for 4000 seats, they should be selling 8000 tickets for 4000 seats.
Dr. J is the most butthurt poster I've ever ran into in my bbs career. KCSF is up there too
His favorite talking point on the phog is all things K-State. Kinda weird since it's a KU board, you know? Anyways, I'm pretty sure a K-Stater banged his wife.Dr. J is the most butthurt poster I've ever ran into in my bbs career. KCSF is up there too
Seems like a real capital "b" bitch.
confirmedHis favorite talking point on the phog is all things K-State. Kinda weird since it's a KU board, you know? Anyways, I'm pretty sure a K-Stater banged his wife.Dr. J is the most butthurt poster I've ever ran into in my bbs career. KCSF is up there too
Seems like a real capital "b" bitch.
His favorite talking point on the phog is all things K-State. Kinda weird since it's a KU board, you know? Anyways, I'm pretty sure a K-Stater banged his wife.Dr. J is the most butthurt poster I've ever ran into in my bbs career. KCSF is up there too
Seems like a real capital "b" bitch.
confirmedHis favorite talking point on the phog is all things K-State. Kinda weird since it's a KU board, you know? Anyways, I'm pretty sure a K-Stater banged his wife.Dr. J is the most butthurt poster I've ever ran into in my bbs career. KCSF is up there too
Seems like a real capital "b" bitch.
"if you're a student just sitting in your apartment watching the game on ESPN, saying you don't wanna walk through the cold to Bramlage, you're missing out on college!"
-BITB
they're right about the booing. its losery
You don't belong here if you believe that.
they're right about the booing. its losery
You don't belong here if you believe that.
You most certainly do not. goEMAW has quite a love affair with booing.
Random question but how do I change the little icon under my name to get a KU one?Mods have to change it. Plus you aren't worthy IMO
AFH - (16,300) (4,000 students) = 25%
Hilton - (14,356) (3,900 students) = 27%
OOD - (12,600) (6,000) students) = 48%
Random question but how do I change the little icon under my name to get a KU one?Mods have to change it. Plus you aren't worthy IMO
Random question but how do I change the little icon under my name to get a KU one?Mods have to change it. Plus you aren't worthy IMO
Thanks for letting me know the procedure. :surprised: for the rest
they're right about the booing. its losery
You don't belong here if you believe that.
You most certainly do not. goEMAW has quite a love affair with booing.
BlueHairFieldHouse can get the boo machine cranking pretty hard as well.
Random question but how do I change the little icon under my name to get a KU one?
Random question but how do I change the little icon under my name to get a KU one?i updated it i think
Random question but how do I change the little icon under my name to get a KU one?i updated it i think
Random question but how do I change the little icon under my name to get a KU one?
Random question but how do I change the little icon under my name to get a KU one?
Mods, get CGIchabod a Washurn Salsa Bottle STAT!
Random question but how do I change the little icon under my name to get a KU one?
Mods, get CGIchabod a Washurn Salsa Bottle STAT!
I second this motion.
Beems being a half game out of first place (behind big bro) is just killing him. :love:
they're right about the booing. its losery
Random question but how do I change the little icon under my name to get a KU one?
Mods, get CGIchabod a Washurn Salsa Bottle STAT!
I second this motion.
Yes, 'Clams. It must be done.
Random question but how do I change the little icon under my name to get a KU one?i updated it i think
Random question but how do I change the little icon under my name to get a KU one?
Mods, get CGIchabod a Washurn Salsa Bottle STAT!
I second this motion.
Yes, 'Clams. It must be done.
Agreed. Have we ever had a Washburn fan post on here before?
Random question but how do I change the little icon under my name to get a KU one?
Mods, get CGIchabod a Washurn Salsa Bottle STAT!
I second this motion.
Yes, 'Clams. It must be done.
Agreed. Have we ever had a Washburn fan post on here before?
Random question but how do I change the little icon under my name to get a KU one?
Mods, get CGIchabod a Washurn Salsa Bottle STAT!
I second this motion.
Yes, 'Clams. It must be done.
Agreed. Have we ever had a Washburn fan post on here before?
KU has been mentioned at least 50 times in this thread.
:love:
I have student tix. Didn't go.
I have student tix. Didn't go.
I have student tix. Didn't go.
I have student tix. Didn't go.Gah!