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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: Acceleration Man on September 12, 2012, 10:28:00 AM
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Look at tuggle being so beast with only 3 games of defense under his belt
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That's not saying much. Tebow is awful.
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Klien is a Squak
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:D
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What's the most players we have had drafted in one year?
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What's the most players we have had drafted in one year?
that's a good question. i don't know the exact number but this could be a big year for our draft. off the top of my head guys that I think will get drafted:
Klein
Brown
Tannahil
Malone
Harper
Tuggle (maybe)
Wilson
who knows, but 7 would be a lot, and i'm fairly confident that they all have good chances of being drafted. maybe i'm missing someone.
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What's the most players we have had drafted in one year?
1970 - 6
1971 - 6
1974 - 7
After the draft was shortened to only 7 rounds:
1999 - 6
2001 - 6
2002 - 6
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What's the most players we have had drafted in one year?
that's a good question. i don't know the exact number but this could be a big year for our draft. off the top of my head guys that I think will get drafted:
Klein
Brown
Tannahil
Malone
Harper
Tuggle (maybe)
Wilson
who knows, but 7 would be a lot, and i'm fairly confident that they all have good chances of being drafted. maybe i'm missing someone.
If they have a good year, I could see sneaking Davis (or maybe Williams) in there.
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What's the most players we have had drafted in one year?
that's a good question. i don't know the exact number but this could be a big year for our draft. off the top of my head guys that I think will get drafted:
Klein
Brown
Tannahil
Malone
Harper
Tuggle (maybe)
Wilson
who knows, but 7 would be a lot, and i'm fairly confident that they all have good chances of being drafted. maybe i'm missing someone.
Harper & Tuggle would need pretty good years.
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Harper will be drafted for sure.
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Harper will be drafted for sure.
yeah
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Harper will be drafted for sure.
yeah
Don't see it :dunno: hope I'm wrong though...
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Wilson will be on a 53 man roster next year, but I doubt he gets drafted.
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Harper will be drafted for sure.
yeah
Don't see it :dunno: hope I'm wrong though...
His size and 40 time will get him drafted
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i'd draft harper just to oogle at him
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Harper will be drafted for sure.
yeah
Don't see it :dunno: hope I'm wrong though...
His size and 40 time will get him drafted
That's funny because I think it's his size and 40 time that will keep him from getting drafted.
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Harper will be drafted for sure.
yeah
Don't see it :dunno: hope I'm wrong though...
His size and 40 time will get him drafted
That's funny because I think it's his size and 40 time that will keep him from getting drafted.
he ran the fastest 40 time at our pro day last year
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His numbers so far this season, granted small sample size and big leads on the competition, have not been good. He can overcome some of that with "Their offense wasn't suited for Harper" but don't know about all of it. And he never seemed that fast to me, but a good 40 time would go a long ways to dispell.
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Harper will be drafted for sure.
yeah
Don't see it :dunno: hope I'm wrong though...
His size and 40 time will get him drafted
That's funny because I think it's his size and 40 time that will keep him from getting drafted.
he ran the fastest 40 time at our pro day last year
he runs a 4.5 and is 6'-1" 230 lb
imo neither of those are reasons to draft him at wr
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Harper will be drafted for sure.
yeah
Don't see it :dunno: hope I'm wrong though...
His size and 40 time will get him drafted
That's funny because I think it's his size and 40 time that will keep him from getting drafted.
he ran the fastest 40 time at our pro day last year
he runs a 4.5 and is 6'-1" 230 lb
imo neither of those are reasons to draft him at wr
Chris Harper ran a low 4.3
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What's the most players we have had drafted in one year?
Klein
Brown
Tannahil
Malone
Harper
Tuggle (maybe)
Wilson
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Watch the highlight of his '11 laying out to catch all sorts of way off target old klein ducks and you can see he has hands worth drafting.
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-Tries ridiculous behind the back pass – doesn’t work and I have to question the play call rather than the execution.
:D that part was great
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Do people really think Harper won't get drafted?
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I'm more pessimistic about Klein being drafted than Harper.
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IMO, Harper and Brown are the only true locks to get drafted. The NFL will like Harper's versatility. While people may look at a 230lb receiver who doesn't have a ton of productivity they will see his skills as a runner (Oregon QB) and ability to run the ball from receiver position, blocker, and he does present some skill as a receiver though not quite that steady by NFL standards. He may be seen as a unique 3rd down back as a receiver out of the back field. Honestly, someone may draft him as a running back and primarily as a receiver from that position. Either way his complete skill set has some value.
I think there are a handful of players who very well may get drafted and that would include Malone, Wilson, Klein, Tuggle, and...yes, Tannahill.
As for Meshak Williams and Adam Davis? no. Meshak has a limit to his size and he's too rigid to play the OLB position in the league. Adam Davis would have a shot as an OLB if he were more explosive and had more quickness to make plays in space. Neither will be seen as an NFL prospect. But they are quality defensive ends for us in our scheme and what we like to do.
Tuggle and Klein are the two guys that will really intrigue scouts. Tuggle has some upside to play in the league. He is explosive, that was evident in the Miami game and he does have the change of direction and short area quickness to make some plays in space. Biggest drawback on Tuggle now is he has no pass rushing skill in terms of hand-to-hand combat or setting up blockers. He doesn't shoot his hands when he engages blockers. Plus, he doesn't demonstrate upper body pop when he does engage. Scouts will love his movement ability, length, athleticism, range, pedigree, etc. but to get drafted he'll need to demonstrate at some point during this season that he is capable of developing moves with his hands as weapons and the upper body strength to pop blockers and seperate.
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IMO, Harper and Brown are the only true locks to get drafted. The NFL will like Harper's versatility. While people may look at a 230lb receiver who doesn't have a ton of productivity they will see his skills as a runner (Oregon QB) and ability to run the ball from receiver position, blocker, and he does present some skill as a receiver though not quite that steady by NFL standards. He may be seen as a unique 3rd down back as a receiver out of the back field. Honestly, someone may draft him as a running back and primarily as a receiver from that position. Either way his complete skill set has some value.
I think there are a handful of players who very well may get drafted and that would include Malone, Wilson, Klein, Tuggle, and...yes, Tannahill.
As for Meshak Williams and Adam Davis? no. Meshak has a limit to his size and he's too rigid to play the OLB position in the league. Adam Davis would have a shot as an OLB if he were more explosive and had more quickness to make plays in space. Neither will be seen as an NFL prospect. But they are quality defensive ends for us in our scheme and what we like to do.
Tuggle and Klein are the two guys that will really intrigue scouts. Tuggle has some upside to play in the league. He is explosive, that was evident in the Miami game and he does have the change of direction and short area quickness to make some plays in space. Biggest drawback on Tuggle now is he has no pass rushing skill in terms of hand-to-hand combat or setting up blockers. He doesn't shoot his hands when he engages blockers. Plus, he doesn't demonstrate upper body pop when he does engage. Scouts will love his movement ability, length, athleticism, range, pedigree, etc. but to get drafted he'll need to demonstrate at some point during this season that he is capable of developing moves with his hands as weapons and the upper body strength to pop blockers and seperate.
:dance:
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to add to the previous post, I definitely think we're better at 6 of the front 7 positions than we were a year ago. Tuggle is part of that because he is an upgrade over Lamur. He is bigger, more explosive, and capable of making more plays as a pass rusher and around the LOS than Lamur. Lamur had more upper body pop and likely was better in coverage but even then I'm not so sure. Tuggle looked awfully sudden on the play where Miami tried an outside receiver screen and the receiver cutback. That was a much smaller and quicker player and Tuggle made the play look routine and did so in the backfield. He demonstrated a LOT of ability on that one play.
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What I am more interested to know is when our offensive linemen start showing up on their radar. They know about Finney already as he has begun to climb the charts from his first year. Whitehair and Lucas are two that they should notice pretty soon. I can guarantee you this right now...all three WILL play on Sundays. I can say this without hesitation: in terms of ability we have never been more talented than we are from the center out to Left Tackle than we are right now. Finney, Whitehair, and Lucas is a REALLY talented trio for KSU.
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to add to the previous post, I definitely think we're better at 6 of the front 7 positions than we were a year ago. Tuggle is part of that because he is an upgrade over Lamur. He is bigger, more explosive, and capable of making more plays as a pass rusher and around the LOS than Lamur. Lamur had more upper body pop and likely was better in coverage but even then I'm not so sure. Tuggle looked awfully sudden on the play where Miami tried an outside receiver screen and the receiver cutback. That was a much smaller and quicker player and Tuggle made the play look routine and did so in the backfield. He demonstrated a LOT of ability on that one play.
I have even been pleasantly surprised by Boyd/Sua
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Harper will be drafted for sure.
yeah
Don't see it :dunno: hope I'm wrong though...
His size and 40 time will get him drafted
That's funny because I think it's his size and 40 time that will keep him from getting drafted.
he ran the fastest 40 time at our pro day last year
he runs a 4.5 and is 6'-1" 230 lb
imo neither of those are reasons to draft him at wr
Chris Harper ran a low 4.3
:thumbs: did not know that
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to add to the previous post, I definitely think we're better at 6 of the front 7 positions than we were a year ago. Tuggle is part of that because he is an upgrade over Lamur. He is bigger, more explosive, and capable of making more plays as a pass rusher and around the LOS than Lamur. Lamur had more upper body pop and likely was better in coverage but even then I'm not so sure. Tuggle looked awfully sudden on the play where Miami tried an outside receiver screen and the receiver cutback. That was a much smaller and quicker player and Tuggle made the play look routine and did so in the backfield. He demonstrated a LOT of ability on that one play.
I have even been pleasantly surprised by Boyd/Sua
I thought Boyd played fairly well actually. Didn't lack for enthusiasm at least.
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I feel a lot better about the DL through two games then I thought I would. I am not that big on Sua but that has more to do w/ talent and ability than it does his motor and responsibilities. We're pretty damn solid up front in taking care of our assignments. There are not standouts...just hard working, tough, and solid veteran players. If Akinola gets cleared and takes the starting position from Sua then we'll know we're going to have a very salty defense. He won't get that starting position without being in the vicinity of motor and responsible. We know he has a lot more talent. He's got Kibble's size and he's a better athlete.
BTW, the kid I was pleased to see work out there but not surprised by how he did was Travis Britz. The kid fights like hell to gain the shoulder advantage on gap play. He's strong for a freshman, works diligently to do his assignment right, and will help out this year in the run defense. He's definitely limited in a pass rush sense because he's simply not dynamic as an athlete a little bit of a plodder. But he's strong, has some good size, uses his hands surprisingly well for a frosh, and will give you effort every play.
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If you think Harper isn't going to be drafted you are an idiot.
Here's my take:
Locks - ABJ, Harper, Klein, Malone
Possible - Tannelhill, Wilson, Tuggle
I don't know jack about judging skills of linemen on either side of the ball so I will not comment there.
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If you think Harper isn't going to be drafted you are an idiot.
Here's my take:
Locks - ABJ, Harper, Klein, Malone
Possible - Tannelhill, Wilson, Tuggle
I don't know jack about judging skills of linemen on either side of the ball so I will not comment there.
Swap malone and wilson and I think you got it.
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If you think Harper isn't going to be drafted you are an idiot.
Here's my take:
Locks - ABJ, Harper, Klein, Malone
Possible - Tannelhill, Wilson, Tuggle
I don't know jack about judging skills of linemen on either side of the ball so I will not comment there.
Swap malone and wilson and I think you got it.
Most teams dont even carry a FB anymore...I've never seen wilson catch the ball but I would think his only chance in the league is as a hybrid TE/FB. Dont see him getting drafted though.
I could be wrong though
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If you think Harper isn't going to be drafted you are an idiot.
he is not productive and not tall and 230 pounds and drops the ball fairly consistently. why does everyone think harper is a slam dunk draft lock?
he is a projected 7th rounder which means he may or may not be drafted. but yeah i guess i'm an idiot for thinking he may not be drafted
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If you think Harper isn't going to be drafted you are an idiot.
he is not productive and not tall and 230 pounds and drops the ball fairly consistently. why does everyone think harper is a slam dunk draft lock?
he is a projected 7th rounder which means he may or may not be drafted. but yeah i guess i'm an idiot for thinking he may not be drafted
Self-confirmed
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If you think Harper isn't going to be drafted you are an idiot.
he is not productive and not tall and 230 pounds and drops the ball fairly consistently. why does everyone think harper is a slam dunk draft lock?
he is a projected 7th rounder which means he may or may not be drafted. but yeah i guess i'm an idiot for thinking he may not be drafted
Self-confirmed
what round is he going to get drafted legit elite?
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Well that's a great question. I'm not God nor do I have a magic 8-ball so I won't take the bait on this one. All I can say I that it depends on how the rest of his season goes.
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If you think Harper isn't going to be drafted you are an idiot.
Here's my take:
Locks - ABJ, Harper, Klein, Malone
Possible - Tannelhill, Wilson, Tuggle
I don't know jack about judging skills of linemen on either side of the ball so I will not comment there.
klein is far from a lock. he's a less-hyped version of tebow, and tebow hasn't amounted to much (except for unnecessary espn coverage).
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If you think Harper isn't going to be drafted you are an idiot.
he is not productive and not tall and 230 pounds and drops the ball fairly consistently. why does everyone think harper is a slam dunk draft lock?
he is a projected 7th rounder which means he may or may not be drafted. but yeah i guess i'm an idiot for thinking he may not be drafted
Did you happen to see how reliable of hands Niles Paul (Nebraska) had a few years ago? He be of the same build (likely smaller hands as he had tiny hands at combine) and not much more in the way of a downfield threat. And he doesn't have Harper's dynamic ability as a runner. When I say "dynamic" in regards to Harper I don't imply he's Peter Warrick. But he's pretty damned nifty for a biggun.
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I love reading The Manhatter's posts!!!
:dance:
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CH is comparable to Anquan Boldin who is 6' 1" 223lbs and ran a 4.6+ 40 at the combine. Florida State Career: 118 Rec 1790 yds 21 td with an ACL tear. I think Harper is more dynamic than Boldin but with less production in college. That happens to WR when your QB runs for 27 tds.
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If you think Harper isn't going to be drafted you are an idiot.
Here's my take:
Locks - ABJ, Harper, Klein, Malone
Possible - Tannelhill, Wilson, Tuggle
I don't know jack about judging skills of linemen on either side of the ball so I will not comment there.
klein is far from a lock. he's a less-hyped version of tebow, and tebow hasn't amounted to much (except for unnecessary espn coverage).
Not after he scores 1 million on his wonderlic
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If you think Harper isn't going to be drafted you are an idiot.
he is not productive and not tall and 230 pounds and drops the ball fairly consistently. why does everyone think harper is a slam dunk draft lock?
he is a projected 7th rounder which means he may or may not be drafted. but yeah i guess i'm an idiot for thinking he may not be drafted
Did you happen to see how reliable of hands Niles Paul (Nebraska) had a few years ago? He be of the same build (likely smaller hands as he had tiny hands at combine) and not much more in the way of a downfield threat. And he doesn't have Harper's dynamic ability as a runner. When I say "dynamic" in regards to Harper I don't imply he's Peter Warrick. But he's pretty damned nifty for a biggun.
Oh man, what a reference. That guy was like the king of juking. If all football required was juking ability, he would have been a hall of famer. So much fun to watch.
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CH is comparable to Anquan Boldin who is 6' 1" 223lbs and ran a 4.6+ 40 at the combine. Florida State Career: 118 Rec 1790 yds 21 td with an ACL tear. I think Harper is more dynamic than Boldin but with less production in college. That happens to WR when your QB runs for 27 tds.
You know what else happens? You don't get drafted.
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Harper will be drafted for sure.
yeah
Don't see it :dunno: hope I'm wrong though...
His size and 40 time will get him drafted
That's funny because I think it's his size and 40 time that will keep him from getting drafted.
he ran the fastest 40 time at our pro day last year
he runs a 4.5 and is 6'-1" 230 lb
imo neither of those are reasons to draft him at wr
I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that's the reason you're working behind a register and not the general manager of a NFL team. :surprised:
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If you think Harper isn't going to be drafted you are an idiot.
Here's my take:
Locks - ABJ, Harper, Klein, Malone
Possible - Tannelhill, Wilson, Tuggle
I don't know jack about judging skills of linemen on either side of the ball so I will not comment there.
Swap malone and wilson and I think you got it.
Legit Elite nailed it. I hate hate hate how much K-State fans underrate Nigel Malone.
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I always loved Dyshod Carter
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1908cat having an incorrect football opinion again..
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1908cat having an incorrect football opinion again..
what on earth does that even mean?
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Harper will be drafted for sure.
yeah
Don't see it :dunno: hope I'm wrong though...
His size and 40 time will get him drafted
That's funny because I think it's his size and 40 time that will keep him from getting drafted.
he ran the fastest 40 time at our pro day last year
he runs a 4.5 and is 6'-1" 230 lb
imo neither of those are reasons to draft him at wr
I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that's the reason you're working behind a register and not the general manager of a NFL team. :surprised:
stop putting the MF in EMAW
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1908cat having an incorrect football opinion again..
what on earth does that even mean?
Can confirm that indeed opinions cannot be incorrect and that is a fact.
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Heard from a wide receiver friend that Tuggle is our second best linebacker. Possibly NFL caliber. fwiw
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Tuggles measurements are off the chart, that only will get him drafted.
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CH is comparable to Anquan Boldin who is 6' 1" 223lbs and ran a 4.6+ 40 at the combine. Florida State Career: 118 Rec 1790 yds 21 td with an ACL tear. I think Harper is more dynamic than Boldin but with less production in college. That happens to WR when your QB runs for 27 tds.
You know what else happens? You don't get drafted.
All you need is a good 40 time. Ask Donatari Poe.
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I love Nigel. I worry his size might be a factor in the draft.
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Harper will be drafted for sure.
yeah
Don't see it :dunno: hope I'm wrong though...
His size and 40 time will get him drafted
That's funny because I think it's his size and 40 time that will keep him from getting drafted.
he ran the fastest 40 time at our pro day last year
he runs a 4.5 and is 6'-1" 230 lb
imo neither of those are reasons to draft him at wr
Chris Harper ran a low 4.3
:thumbs: did not know that
Thats because its a big ol' pile a bull crap. Harper aint runnin no 4.3 40, he is not Desean Jackson fast.
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Harper will be drafted for sure.
yeah
Don't see it :dunno: hope I'm wrong though...
His size and 40 time will get him drafted
That's funny because I think it's his size and 40 time that will keep him from getting drafted.
he ran the fastest 40 time at our pro day last year
he runs a 4.5 and is 6'-1" 230 lb
imo neither of those are reasons to draft him at wr
Chris Harper ran a low 4.3
:thumbs: did not know that
Thats because its a big ol' pile a bull crap. Harper aint runnin no 4.3 40, he is not Desean Jackson fast.
I'm not sure you know who Big Shot Attorney Cat is.
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I don't give a rats ass what his 40 time is if he puts a DB on his ass or into our soon to be limestone perimeter wall on designed run plays.
Furthermore, let us not forget the adorable catches @UT, @TT, and v. A&M last season. Three of the most memorable and significant catches last year.
Harper is a key to our season offensively.
He will be drafted.
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Harper will be drafted for sure.
yeah
Don't see it :dunno: hope I'm wrong though...
His size and 40 time will get him drafted
That's funny because I think it's his size and 40 time that will keep him from getting drafted.
he ran the fastest 40 time at our pro day last year
he runs a 4.5 and is 6'-1" 230 lb
imo neither of those are reasons to draft him at wr
Chris Harper ran a low 4.3
:thumbs: did not know that
Thats because its a big ol' pile a bull crap. Harper aint runnin no 4.3 40, he is not Desean Jackson fast.
I'm not sure you know who Big Shot Attorney Cat is.
I have a reasonable idea, and am still skeptical. If Harper runs a sub 4.4 at the combine next spring, I'll buy BSAC a case of beer. Not saying he didn't run the fastest at pro day last year, or that someone there didn't clock him that low. The fastest WR last year ran a 4.36 at the combine last year and only 5 broke 4.4. Sorry, Harper just isn't low 4.3 fast.
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Tuggles measurements are off the chart, that only will get him drafted.
Another thing that helps Tuggle is his QB experience. Not because anyone would consider switching him back, but it gives him more understanding of what the opposing offense and QB is trying to do - knowledge that most other linebackers won't have.
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Tuggles measurements are off the chart, that only will get him drafted.
Another thing that helps Tuggle is his QB experience. Not because anyone would consider switching him back, but it gives him more understanding of what the opposing offense and QB is trying to do - knowledge that most other linebackers won't have.
I lol'd
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Tuggles measurements are off the chart, that only will get him drafted.
Another thing that helps Tuggle is his QB experience. Not because anyone would consider switching him back, but it gives him more understanding of what the opposing offense and QB is trying to do - knowledge that most other linebackers won't have.
I lol'd
Scouts call it instincts
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Tuggles measurements are off the chart, that only will get him drafted.
Another thing that helps Tuggle is his QB experience. Not because anyone would consider switching him back, but it gives him more understanding of what the opposing offense and QB is trying to do - knowledge that most other linebackers won't have.
I lol'd
yep. No one in the nfl gives a eff about what some ex-juco running QB thinks about what an NFL qb is gonna do based on his own juco option qb days.
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Harper will be drafted for sure.
yeah
Don't see it :dunno: hope I'm wrong though...
His size and 40 time will get him drafted
That's funny because I think it's his size and 40 time that will keep him from getting drafted.
he ran the fastest 40 time at our pro day last year
he runs a 4.5 and is 6'-1" 230 lb
imo neither of those are reasons to draft him at wr
I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that's the reason you're working behind a register and not the general manager of a NFL team. :surprised:
stop putting the MF in EMAW
EMAW is soft. Adding the MF gives a sense of street/ghetto. "You should get away" doesn't sound nearly as frightening as "Get away from me mother rough rider!". MCMW.
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:flush:
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EMAMFW :facepalm:
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EMAMFW :facepalm:
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EMAMFW is the worst thing ever. Just horrible.
"MFW" is awful. Nails on a chalkboard whenever I hear it.
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how can you pronounce emamfw with your mouth?
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Well, I'm sold. From now on, it's EPAW.
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jesus christ :flush:
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I'll tell you what, EMAMFW came to the WRONG board with that handle.
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I'll take my chances. I guess I should have thought of something more "original" like OK Cat, EMAWmeister, or P1k3. Brimming OVER with originality.
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I'll take my chances. I guess I should have thought of something more "original" like OK Cat, EMAWmeister, or P1k3. Brimming OVER with originality.
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I'll take my chances. I guess I should have thought of something more "original" like OK Cat, EMAWmeister, or P1k3. Brimming OVER with originality.
This guy is DEFINITELY a "home of the chiefs" fan :facepalm:
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O boy I can't wait to watch the PIing that is sure to happen later
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O boy I can't wait to watch the PIing that is sure to happen later
Hate to say it but this board just might be as juvenile as others have said. That's unfortunate.
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O boy I can't wait to watch the PIing that is sure to happen later
Hate to say it but this board just might be as juvenile as others have said. That's unfortunate.
I'm sorry you feel that way Every Man A Mother rough ridin' Wildcat
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I do like that you put Every Man A Mother rough ridin' Wildcat on your avi picture though.... :thumbsup:
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Lol. Go away emamfw.
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EMAMFW. :dubious:
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every man a terrible acronym, might wanna go line up by the ernie barrett statue. i heard you can get some great posting advice there.
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EPAMFW
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Limiting the rough ridin' to mothers is really exclusive IMO
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EPAMFW
Limiting the rough ridin' to mothers is really exclusive IMO
Well, when you are EMAW....it's hard to not knock bitches up.
Mothers, 9 month pre-mothers, what's the difference? really?
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Chris Harper/WR/Kansas State: Scouts stamped Harper as a potential middle-round choice as they love the receivers size (6-foot-1, 220 pounds) and speed (4.45 in the 40-yard dash). Harper is beginning to reward that opinion by transitioning his athletic skills onto the football field. During the lopsided victory over in-state rival Kansas, Harper posted four receptions for 69 yards, an average of 17.3 yards per catch. The past three games Harper's average on 11 receptions is 15.4 yards, a significant improvement from the start of the season. He's a big-play receiver with terrific upside and a player who should only improve over time.
I don't think it's ridiculous to think that Harper was timed at a low 4.3 on a hand held timer.
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You clowns still think Harper will not be drafted? EMAMFW