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http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/27/bill-nye-slams-creationism/?hpt=hp_c3 (http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/27/bill-nye-slams-creationism/?hpt=hp_c3)
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B-B-B-B-B-BILL NYE
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The Gallup Poll has been tracking Americans' views on creation and evolution for the past 30 years. In June it released its latest findings, which showed 46% of Americans believed in creationism
It's not just KS rubes. Apparently there are rubes all over the country.
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The Gallup Poll has been tracking Americans' views on creation and evolution for the past 30 years. In June it released its latest findings, which showed 46% of Americans believed in creationism
It's not just KS rubes. Apparently there are rubes all over the country.
No way that's true.
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The Gallup Poll has been tracking Americans' views on creation and evolution for the past 30 years. In June it released its latest findings, which showed 46% of Americans believed in creationism
It's not just KS rubes. Apparently there are rubes all over the country.
No way that's true.
I bet it is. You're used to being around people that have gone to college. This poll got a sample of EVERYONE in America.
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No surprise that Bill is #teamevolution. All the :gocho: are.
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40% to 47% of Americans surveyed saying they believed that God created humans in their present form at one point within the past 10,000 years.
I mean....this is stunning...
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The Gallup Poll has been tracking Americans' views on creation and evolution for the past 30 years. In June it released its latest findings, which showed 46% of Americans believed in creationism
It's not just KS rubes. Apparently there are rubes all over the country.
No way that's true.
I bet it is. You're used to being around people that have gone to college. This poll got a sample of EVERYONE in America.
yeah, I say this to everyone all the time but it really blows my mind what percentage of the world is complete weirdo freakshow types. if you are completely normal and intelligent you are going to surround yourself with normal and intelligent people and kind of forget how large a percentage the mongoloids make up.
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I met a guy who tried to tell me that the earth was only a few thousand years old one time. I would imagine I looked like this: :horrorsurprise:
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The Gallup Poll has been tracking Americans' views on creation and evolution for the past 30 years. In June it released its latest findings, which showed 46% of Americans believed in creationism
It's not just KS rubes. Apparently there are rubes all over the country.
No way that's true.
I bet it is. You're used to being around people that have gone to college. This poll got a sample of EVERYONE in America.
yeah, I say this to everyone all the time but it really blows my mind what percentage of the world is complete weirdo freakshow types. if you are completely normal and intelligent you are going to surround yourself with normal and intelligent people and kind of forget how large a percentage the mongoloids make up.
Pro Tip: many of those people believe it too. They are just intelligent enough to not discuss it with you.
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The Gallup Poll has been tracking Americans' views on creation and evolution for the past 30 years. In June it released its latest findings, which showed 46% of Americans believed in creationism
It's not just KS rubes. Apparently there are rubes all over the country.
No way that's true.
I bet it is. You're used to being around people that have gone to college. This poll got a sample of EVERYONE in America.
yeah, I say this to everyone all the time but it really blows my mind what percentage of the world is complete weirdo freakshow types. if you are completely normal and intelligent you are going to surround yourself with normal and intelligent people and kind of forget how large a percentage the mongoloids make up.
Pro Tip: many of those people believe it too. They are just intelligent enough to not discuss it with you.
my statement was in general and not just specific to this topic.
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The Gallup Poll has been tracking Americans' views on creation and evolution for the past 30 years. In June it released its latest findings, which showed 46% of Americans believed in creationism
It's not just KS rubes. Apparently there are rubes all over the country.
No way that's true.
I bet it is. You're used to being around people that have gone to college. This poll got a sample of EVERYONE in America.
yeah, I say this to everyone all the time but it really blows my mind what percentage of the world is complete weirdo freakshow types. if you are completely normal and intelligent you are going to surround yourself with normal and intelligent people and kind of forget how large a percentage the mongoloids make up.
Pro Tip: many of those people believe it too. They are just intelligent enough to not discuss it with you.
I don't buy this. I can usually sniff out people who believe God created a white Adam and Eve in the past 10,000 years. He did this after he created the planet in that same time frame and dinosaur bones are a trick by the devil.
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The Gallup Poll has been tracking Americans' views on creation and evolution for the past 30 years. In June it released its latest findings, which showed 46% of Americans believed in creationism
It's not just KS rubes. Apparently there are rubes all over the country.
No way that's true.
I bet it is. You're used to being around people that have gone to college. This poll got a sample of EVERYONE in America.
yeah, I say this to everyone all the time but it really blows my mind what percentage of the world is complete weirdo freakshow types. if you are completely normal and intelligent you are going to surround yourself with normal and intelligent people and kind of forget how large a percentage the mongoloids make up.
Pro Tip: many of those people believe it too. They are just intelligent enough to not discuss it with you.
I don't buy this. I can usually sniff out people who believe God created a white Adam and Eve in the past 10,000 years. He did this after he created the planet in that same time frame and dinosaur bones are a trick by the devil.
The one guy (friend of a friend) who told me that the earth was less than 10,000 years old believed that men lived with the dinosaurs and that carbon dating was some liberal conspiracy to debunk Christianity. I have always thought that these people are generally white, clean cut, middle class midwesterners with 4 or more kids, but this guy was a college student with mutton chops and looked kind of homeless. It really threw me for a loop and I spent the rest of the evening trying to ditch him.
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The Gallup Poll has been tracking Americans' views on creation and evolution for the past 30 years. In June it released its latest findings, which showed 46% of Americans believed in creationism
It's not just KS rubes. Apparently there are rubes all over the country.
No way that's true.
I bet it is. You're used to being around people that have gone to college. This poll got a sample of EVERYONE in America.
yeah, I say this to everyone all the time but it really blows my mind what percentage of the world is complete weirdo freakshow types. if you are completely normal and intelligent you are going to surround yourself with normal and intelligent people and kind of forget how large a percentage the mongoloids make up.
Pro Tip: many of those people believe it too. They are just intelligent enough to not discuss it with you.
I don't buy this. I can usually sniff out people who believe God created a white Adam and Eve in the past 10,000 years. He did this after he created the planet in that same time frame and dinosaur bones are a trick by the devil.
Nope, they believe the Dino's were around at the same time as man. Otherwise, yep.
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The only person I've known on a somewhat personal basis (coworker) that didn't believe in evolution, was the same guy that was deathly afraid of black people (he actually thought all black people carry weapons and try to harm white people when no one is looking), and also thought that gay people are just straight guys that couldn't get girlfriends and thought it would be easier to eff guys instead.
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The Gallup Poll has been tracking Americans' views on creation and evolution for the past 30 years. In June it released its latest findings, which showed 46% of Americans believed in creationism
It's not just KS rubes. Apparently there are rubes all over the country.
No way that's true.
I bet it is. You're used to being around people that have gone to college. This poll got a sample of EVERYONE in America.
yeah, I say this to everyone all the time but it really blows my mind what percentage of the world is complete weirdo freakshow types. if you are completely normal and intelligent you are going to surround yourself with normal and intelligent people and kind of forget how large a percentage the mongoloids make up.
Pro Tip: many of those people believe it too. They are just intelligent enough to not discuss it with you.
I don't buy this. I can usually sniff out people who believe God created a white Adam and Eve in the past 10,000 years. He did this after he created the planet in that same time frame and dinosaur bones are a trick by the devil.
Nope, they believe the Dino's were around at the same time as man. Otherwise, yep.
But science has proven that they never existed at the same time. Not just through carbon dating but through the fossil record. You never find dino bones and Adam/Eve bones in the same place...
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I think a large part of the 46% believe evolution and creationism are not necessarily mutually exclusive
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I think a large part of the 46% believe evolution and creationism are not necessarily mutually exclusive
The article states that what you are talking about is an additional 36 (or something) percent, so no, it doesn't include them at all.
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I think a large part of the 46% believe evolution and creationism are not necessarily mutually exclusive
I think you are referring to the difference between creationism and intelligent design.
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I think a large part of the 46% believe evolution and creationism are not necessarily mutually exclusive
The article states that what you are talking about is an additional 36 (or something) percent, so no, it doesn't include them at all.
Didn't read the article. Well thats just alarming then
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You guys crack me up. You think kansas is bad with its anti evolution stance, you should spend some time in the south. I had to take a class at the local CC for work training and in the class we got into a little talk about this very topic. There were 3 different people that told me scientists(They used that word loosely here) explained that things like the Grand Canyon can happen in a few thousand years.
I then had a co-worker attempt to explain religion to me with physics. Basically he was doing the :bs: # and I called him on it.
The people in the south are so brainwashed into anti evolution that they think it happens when a monkey is born as a monkey, then turns into a human later in life. It is such a beautiful cluster eff of things that makes me miss kansas so much :frown:
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The Gallup Poll has been tracking Americans' views on creation and evolution for the past 30 years. In June it released its latest findings, which showed 46% of Americans believed in creationism
It's not just KS rubes. Apparently there are rubes all over the country.
No way that's true.
I bet it is. You're used to being around people that have gone to college. This poll got a sample of EVERYONE in America.
yeah, I say this to everyone all the time but it really blows my mind what percentage of the world is complete weirdo freakshow types. if you are completely normal and intelligent you are going to surround yourself with normal and intelligent people and kind of forget how large a percentage the mongoloids make up.
Pro Tip: many of those people believe it too. They are just intelligent enough to not discuss it with you.
I don't buy this. I can usually sniff out people who believe God created a white Adam and Eve in the past 10,000 years. He did this after he created the planet in that same time frame and dinosaur bones are a trick by the devil.
Nope, they believe the Dino's were around at the same time as man. Otherwise, yep.
But science has proven that they never existed at the same time. Not just through carbon dating but through the fossil record. You never find dino bones and Adam/Eve bones in the same place...
Ppl are more distrusting of science, where it conflicts with religion, now than 10 yrs ago. Saw a poll on CNN. it was something like 10% more.
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There are a number of dumbasses that think science is a political tool
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You guys crack me up. You think kansas is bad with its anti evolution stance, you should spend some time in the south. I had to take a class at the local CC for work training and in the class we got into a little talk about this very topic. There were 3 different people that told me scientists(They used that word loosely here) explained that things like the Grand Canyon can happen in a few thousand years.
I then had a co-worker attempt to explain religion to me with physics. Basically he was doing the :bs: # and I called him on it.
The people in the south are so brainwashed into anti evolution that they think it happens when a monkey is born as a monkey, then turns into a human later in life. It is such a beautiful cluster eff of things that makes me miss kansas so much :frown:
Is putting them in jorts to feed a milk bottle to a tiger cub turning human?
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There are a number of dumbasses that think science is a political tool
Yes, I hate these dumbasses.
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So although the debate did not start out as science versus religion, that is how many people now see it. Paradoxically, this is not how many scientists see it. In the US, according to a survey published in Nature in 1997, four out of 10 scientists believe in God. Just over 45% said they did not believe, and 14.5% described themselves as doubters or agnostics. This ratio of believers to non-believers had not changed in 80 years. Should anybody be surprised?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2003/sep/04/science.research
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We haven't banned anyone from this site, but I'd be up for banning creationists. :popcorn:
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We haven't banned anyone from this site, but I'd be up for banning creationists. :popcorn:
:popcorn:
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We haven't banned anyone from this site, but I'd be up for banning creationists. :popcorn:
Gonna have to merge with the JesusLand Would Freak thread.
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We haven't banned anyone from this site, but I'd be up for banning creationists. :popcorn:
:popcorn:
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We haven't banned anyone from this site, but I'd be up for banning creationists. :popcorn:
You're going to ban top 10 goEMAW poster nouji? (SP?)
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There are holes in evolution as well.
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There are holes in evolution as well.
not really
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There are holes in evolution as well.
:dubious:
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Do you guys know what a transitional form is?
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Do you guys know what a transitional form is?
From our friends at wikipedia:
In 1859, when Charles Darwin's On the Origin of Species was first published, the fossil record was poorly known. Darwin described the perceived lack of transitional fossils as "the most obvious and gravest objection which can be urged against my theory", but explained it by relating it to the extreme imperfection of the geological record. He noted the limited collections available at that time, but described the available information as showing patterns that followed from his theory of descent with modification through natural selection. Indeed, Archaeopteryx was discovered just two years later, in 1861, and represents a classic transitional form between dinosaurs and birds. Many more transitional fossils have been discovered since then, and there is now considered to be abundant evidence of how all classes of vertebrates are related, much of it in the form of transitional fossils. Specific examples include humans and other primates, tetrapods and fish, and birds and dinosaurs.
So the hole in the theory is that not all life forms ever left fossil records/not all fossils have been unearthed yet? :rolleyes:
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At the end of the day, people are going to believe what they WANT to believe. The thing about deism/atheism is that everyone is biased. Some people want to believe there is a purpose to life, some don't. There is plenty of evidence for both sides. No one is going to have any trouble finding a reason (or lots of reasons) to believe what they want to believe. This is noted in the divide of the people who research evolution. 40% believe in a God, 45% do not. (These numbers have remained pretty constant over the years). They are the ones who have all of the evidence in front of them, and it's still split fairly evenly. So if anyone in this thread is trying to change someone else's worldview, it's not going to work.
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At the end of the day, people are going to believe what they WANT to believe. The thing about deism/atheism is that everyone is biased. Some people want to believe there is a purpose to life, some don't. There is plenty of evidence for both sides. No one is going to have any trouble finding a reason (or lots of reasons) to believe what they want to believe. This is noted in the divide of the people who research evolution. 40% believe in a God, 45% do not. (These numbers have remained pretty constant over the years). They are the ones who have all of the evidence in front of them, and it's still split fairly evenly. So if anyone in this thread is trying to change someone else's worldview, it's not going to work.
I'd be hesitant to assert there's much evidence in support of (or against) religion. It's rather mystical. Isn't that the whole thing, taking it on "faith" and all that? That being said I don't see any conflict between understanding evolution and believing in God. As you say, many scientists are in that camp.
What I don't understand is how someone can disbelieve evolution. Can't wrap my head around that. There's heaps of empirical, concrete evidence that you simply have to ignore or explain away by subsuming it to otherwordly, mystical explanations (e.g. the devil planted fossils). Yeah, I don't get these people.
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Nope, they believe the Dino's were around at the same time as man. Otherwise, yep.
They even have a $27MM museum in Kentucky to "prove" it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation_Museum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation_Museum) (An overview for you wikipedia lovers).
http://creationmuseum.org/ (http://creationmuseum.org/)
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That being said I don't see any conflict between understanding evolution and believing in God. As you say, many scientists are in that camp.
This is the biggest difference between Catholics and Baptists/most Evangelicals that no one ever talks about. This is also one of the largest reasons that evolution hasn't been turned into religion vs. politics vs. science debate in any other country. No other country has the Baptists trying to put up this fight.
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Do you guys know what a transitional form is?
From our friends at wikipedia:
In 1859, when Charles Darwin's On the Origin of Species was first published, the fossil record was poorly known. Darwin described the perceived lack of transitional fossils as "the most obvious and gravest objection which can be urged against my theory", but explained it by relating it to the extreme imperfection of the geological record. He noted the limited collections available at that time, but described the available information as showing patterns that followed from his theory of descent with modification through natural selection. Indeed, Archaeopteryx was discovered just two years later, in 1861, and represents a classic transitional form between dinosaurs and birds. Many more transitional fossils have been discovered since then, and there is now considered to be abundant evidence of how all classes of vertebrates are related, much of it in the form of transitional fossils. Specific examples include humans and other primates, tetrapods and fish, and birds and dinosaurs.
So the hole in the theory is that not all life forms ever left fossil records/not all fossils have been unearthed yet? :rolleyes:
There are more holes. Get to them later.
Where are these transitional forms? Even Darwin admits evolution needs them. And if they're not there then evolution must be false. Humans have discovered tons of dinosaur bones, but no transitional bones. Why's that? they don't exist.
Archaeopteryx isn't a transitional form because it had FULLY FORMED parts that were reptilian and avian.
The giraffe itself disproves evolution. Look it up. If evolution were true then there is no way giraffes would be here.
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fun muffin, what's your theory? (not baiting, I won't come back with a "you dumbass" post, seriously curious)
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We can't prove that this thing that was invented in times that people thought the world was flat and the earth was at the center of the universe is right or wrong because it was created in such a way as to prevent proof for or against it. I don't think the existence of a god is mutually exclusive with evolution, but the young earth theory is ludicrous.
However, tons of evidence based on rigorous application of the scientific method (the same scientific method that brought us great things like cars, television, internet, phones, almost everything we use on a daily basis, etc.) scientifically proves that evolution has happened for billions of years. It happens currently, and will continue to happen for as long as life exists.
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Do you guys know what a transitional form is?
From our friends at wikipedia:
In 1859, when Charles Darwin's On the Origin of Species was first published, the fossil record was poorly known. Darwin described the perceived lack of transitional fossils as "the most obvious and gravest objection which can be urged against my theory", but explained it by relating it to the extreme imperfection of the geological record. He noted the limited collections available at that time, but described the available information as showing patterns that followed from his theory of descent with modification through natural selection. Indeed, Archaeopteryx was discovered just two years later, in 1861, and represents a classic transitional form between dinosaurs and birds. Many more transitional fossils have been discovered since then, and there is now considered to be abundant evidence of how all classes of vertebrates are related, much of it in the form of transitional fossils. Specific examples include humans and other primates, tetrapods and fish, and birds and dinosaurs.
So the hole in the theory is that not all life forms ever left fossil records/not all fossils have been unearthed yet? :rolleyes:
There are more holes. Get to them later.
Where are these transitional forms? Even Darwin admits evolution needs them. And if they're not there then evolution must be false. Humans have discovered tons of dinosaur bones, but no transitional bones. Why's that? they don't exist.
Archaeopteryx isn't a transitional form because it had FULLY FORMED parts that were reptilian and avian.
The giraffe itself disproves evolution. Look it up. If evolution were true then there is no way giraffes would be here.
If evolution is false, then why is RoundUp being phased out as an herbicide? Why will penicillin become basically useless within my lifetime? Why are humans taller, stronger and living longer than ever before?
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Fossilization is a pretty rare event. Even 1000 years from now after humans have dug up millions of more fossils we probably still won't have them all.
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Fossilization is a pretty rare event. Even 1000 years from now after humans have dug up millions of more fossils we probably still won't have them all.
WE'RE JUST NOT DIGGING HARD ENOUGH!
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So we've eliminated:
1. Creationism - proven false, less than zero evidence;
2. Evolution - giraffes!
So what do we have left?
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I enjoyed this article today: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-katz-md/science-religion_b_1831217.html
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Fossilization is a pretty rare event. Even 1000 years from now after humans have dug up millions of more fossils we probably still won't have them all.
WE'RE JUST NOT DIGGING HARD ENOUGH!
In a way, yes. Darwin knew damn well he didn't have enough fossils as stated above. Now were about 150 years later and we still don't, although we have quite a lot more and a much better understanding of evolution.
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So we've eliminated:
1. Creationism - proven false, less than zero evidence;
2. Evolution - giraffes!
So what do we have left?
Looks like it must be flying spaghetti monster
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The devil sure did create a lot of giraffe ancestors.
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Do you guys know what a transitional form is?
Where are these transitional forms? Even Darwin admits evolution needs them. And if they're not there then evolution must be false. Humans have discovered tons of dinosaur bones, but no transitional bones. Why's that? they don't exist.
Archaeopteryx isn't a transitional form because it had FULLY FORMED parts that were reptilian and avian.
The giraffe itself disproves evolution. Look it up. If evolution were true then there is no way giraffes would be here.
"No transitional forms" = they think evolution happens when a monkey is born as a monkey, then turns into a human later in life.
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If evolution is false, then why is RoundUp being phased out as an herbicide? Why will penicillin become basically useless within my lifetime? Why are humans taller, stronger and living longer than ever before?
2 excellent examples of evolution, + one secular trend due to improved nutrition & medicine [not evolution].
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What I don't understand is how someone can disbelieve evolution. Can't wrap my head around that. There's heaps of empirical, concrete evidence that you simply have to ignore or explain away by subsuming it to otherwordly, mystical explanations (e.g. the devil planted fossils). Yeah, I don't get these people.
Fear of hell has to be a strong factor here.
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So although the debate did not start out as science versus religion, that is how many people now see it. Paradoxically, this is not how many scientists see it. In the US, according to a survey published in Nature in 1997, four out of 10 scientists believe in God. Just over 45% said they did not believe, and 14.5% described themselves as doubters or agnostics. This ratio of believers to non-believers had not changed in 80 years. Should anybody be surprised?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2003/sep/04/science.research
"Belief in God" is not the same as belief in Christianity or the truth of the Bible.
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So although the debate did not start out as science versus religion, that is how many people now see it. Paradoxically, this is not how many scientists see it. In the US, according to a survey published in Nature in 1997, four out of 10 scientists believe in God. Just over 45% said they did not believe, and 14.5% described themselves as doubters or agnostics. This ratio of believers to non-believers had not changed in 80 years. Should anybody be surprised?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2003/sep/04/science.research
"Belief in God" is not the same as belief in Christianity or the truth of the Bible.
Where did I say it was?
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So although the debate did not start out as science versus religion, that is how many people now see it. Paradoxically, this is not how many scientists see it. In the US, according to a survey published in Nature in 1997, four out of 10 scientists believe in God. Just over 45% said they did not believe, and 14.5% described themselves as doubters or agnostics. This ratio of believers to non-believers had not changed in 80 years. Should anybody be surprised?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2003/sep/04/science.research
"Belief in God" is not the same as belief in Christianity or the truth of the Bible.
Where did I say it was?
Don't think it was meant as a contradiction Jake, just pointing out something that you didn't mention.
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If this thread can't smoke out tannoudji, nothing will
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If this thread can't smoke out tannoudji, nothing will
Who needs tannoudji when we have FSD?
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Do you guys know what a transitional form is?
From our friends at wikipedia:
In 1859, when Charles Darwin's On the Origin of Species was first published, the fossil record was poorly known. Darwin described the perceived lack of transitional fossils as "the most obvious and gravest objection which can be urged against my theory", but explained it by relating it to the extreme imperfection of the geological record. He noted the limited collections available at that time, but described the available information as showing patterns that followed from his theory of descent with modification through natural selection. Indeed, Archaeopteryx was discovered just two years later, in 1861, and represents a classic transitional form between dinosaurs and birds. Many more transitional fossils have been discovered since then, and there is now considered to be abundant evidence of how all classes of vertebrates are related, much of it in the form of transitional fossils. Specific examples include humans and other primates, tetrapods and fish, and birds and dinosaurs.
So the hole in the theory is that not all life forms ever left fossil records/not all fossils have been unearthed yet? :rolleyes:
There are more holes. Get to them later.
Where are these transitional forms? Even Darwin admits evolution needs them. And if they're not there then evolution must be false. Humans have discovered tons of dinosaur bones, but no transitional bones. Why's that? they don't exist.
Archaeopteryx isn't a transitional form because it had FULLY FORMED parts that were reptilian and avian.
The giraffe itself disproves evolution. Look it up. If evolution were true then there is no way giraffes would be here.
If evolution is false, then why is RoundUp being phased out as an herbicide? Why will penicillin become basically useless within my lifetime? Why are humans taller, stronger and living longer than ever before?
Your first two examples are good but you need to go sit in the corner after throwing in that last one, it has nothing to do with evolution and everything to do with medical advances and nutrition. If anything humans are de-evolving?(Not sure about the correct term here). Being smarter/taller/wealthier etc no longer guarantee your offspring a better chance of surviving childhood and reproducing then your dumb/shorter/poor neighbor's kids.
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Do you guys know what a transitional form is?
From our friends at wikipedia:
In 1859, when Charles Darwin's On the Origin of Species was first published, the fossil record was poorly known. Darwin described the perceived lack of transitional fossils as "the most obvious and gravest objection which can be urged against my theory", but explained it by relating it to the extreme imperfection of the geological record. He noted the limited collections available at that time, but described the available information as showing patterns that followed from his theory of descent with modification through natural selection. Indeed, Archaeopteryx was discovered just two years later, in 1861, and represents a classic transitional form between dinosaurs and birds. Many more transitional fossils have been discovered since then, and there is now considered to be abundant evidence of how all classes of vertebrates are related, much of it in the form of transitional fossils. Specific examples include humans and other primates, tetrapods and fish, and birds and dinosaurs.
So the hole in the theory is that not all life forms ever left fossil records/not all fossils have been unearthed yet? :rolleyes:
There are more holes. Get to them later.
Where are these transitional forms? Even Darwin admits evolution needs them. And if they're not there then evolution must be false. Humans have discovered tons of dinosaur bones, but no transitional bones. Why's that? they don't exist.
Archaeopteryx isn't a transitional form because it had FULLY FORMED parts that were reptilian and avian.
The giraffe itself disproves evolution. Look it up. If evolution were true then there is no way giraffes would be here.
If evolution is false, then why is RoundUp being phased out as an herbicide? Why will penicillin become basically useless within my lifetime? Why are humans taller, stronger and living longer than ever before?
Your first two examples are good but you need to go sit in the corner after throwing in that last one, it has nothing to do with evolution and everything to do with medical advances and nutrition. If anything humans are de-evolving?(Not sure about the correct term here). Being smarter/taller/wealthier etc no longer guarantee your offspring a better chance of surviving childhood and reproducing then your dumb/shorter/poor neighbor's kids.
Smart people are more likely to have smart offspring that will live longer, better lives, but they don't have as many kids.
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Do you guys know what a transitional form is?
From our friends at wikipedia:
In 1859, when Charles Darwin's On the Origin of Species was first published, the fossil record was poorly known. Darwin described the perceived lack of transitional fossils as "the most obvious and gravest objection which can be urged against my theory", but explained it by relating it to the extreme imperfection of the geological record. He noted the limited collections available at that time, but described the available information as showing patterns that followed from his theory of descent with modification through natural selection. Indeed, Archaeopteryx was discovered just two years later, in 1861, and represents a classic transitional form between dinosaurs and birds. Many more transitional fossils have been discovered since then, and there is now considered to be abundant evidence of how all classes of vertebrates are related, much of it in the form of transitional fossils. Specific examples include humans and other primates, tetrapods and fish, and birds and dinosaurs.
So the hole in the theory is that not all life forms ever left fossil records/not all fossils have been unearthed yet? :rolleyes:
There are more holes. Get to them later.
Where are these transitional forms? Even Darwin admits evolution needs them. And if they're not there then evolution must be false. Humans have discovered tons of dinosaur bones, but no transitional bones. Why's that? they don't exist.
Archaeopteryx isn't a transitional form because it had FULLY FORMED parts that were reptilian and avian.
The giraffe itself disproves evolution. Look it up. If evolution were true then there is no way giraffes would be here.
If evolution is false, then why is RoundUp being phased out as an herbicide? Why will penicillin become basically useless within my lifetime? Why are humans taller, stronger and living longer than ever before?
Your first two examples are good but you need to go sit in the corner after throwing in that last one, it has nothing to do with evolution and everything to do with medical advances and nutrition. If anything humans are de-evolving?(Not sure about the correct term here). Being smarter/taller/wealthier etc no longer guarantee your offspring a better chance of surviving childhood and reproducing then your dumb/shorter/poor neighbor's kids.
Which probably has something to do with the human brain shrinking and functioning more and more efficiently with each new generation. Next.
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NOT JUST GIRAFFES
One of the most bizarre of all fish is the anglerfish, a deep-water fish which can live more than a mile under the surface. This strange creature has a structure growing out of its head that resembles a fishing rod. On the very tip of this “rod” is a worm-like structure that has an incredible function: it can produce light! This wonderful light-producing organ is held close to the mouth of the anglerfish. Smaller fish are attracted to the light, thinking that it is a food source. When they try to eat the “food,” they become the next meal of the hungry anglerfish!
The anglerfish’s light poses a problem for evolution. Evolutionists might attempt to state that it evolved gradually over long periods of time. Since the anglerfish relies so heavily on its fishing system for food, however, an underdeveloped or non-functioning light would probably lead to the fish’s starvation. The light itself is extremely complex. Involving the compound Luciferin and the enzyme Luciferase, it is remarkable in that it produces no heat[13]. Tireless research has been spent on these two substances (Luc-iferase was found to contain more than 1000 proteins!), but still no one knows for certain how the light is made[14].
Another interesting part of the anglerfish is its body structure. It is specially built to withstand the immense pressures it encounters in the depths of the ocean. The anglerfish lives where the pressure is around 2000 pounds per square inch, but it suffers no damage; it was designed to live in this environment. This prevents a regular fish from evolving into an anglerfish; if it somehow sank into the depths to begin its evolution, it would be crushed! In short, the anglerfish could not have evolved from another animal; it was an anglerfish from the start.
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Do you guys know what a transitional form is?
From our friends at wikipedia:
In 1859, when Charles Darwin's On the Origin of Species was first published, the fossil record was poorly known. Darwin described the perceived lack of transitional fossils as "the most obvious and gravest objection which can be urged against my theory", but explained it by relating it to the extreme imperfection of the geological record. He noted the limited collections available at that time, but described the available information as showing patterns that followed from his theory of descent with modification through natural selection. Indeed, Archaeopteryx was discovered just two years later, in 1861, and represents a classic transitional form between dinosaurs and birds. Many more transitional fossils have been discovered since then, and there is now considered to be abundant evidence of how all classes of vertebrates are related, much of it in the form of transitional fossils. Specific examples include humans and other primates, tetrapods and fish, and birds and dinosaurs.
So the hole in the theory is that not all life forms ever left fossil records/not all fossils have been unearthed yet? :rolleyes:
There are more holes. Get to them later.
Where are these transitional forms? Even Darwin admits evolution needs them. And if they're not there then evolution must be false. Humans have discovered tons of dinosaur bones, but no transitional bones. Why's that? they don't exist.
Archaeopteryx isn't a transitional form because it had FULLY FORMED parts that were reptilian and avian.
The giraffe itself disproves evolution. Look it up. If evolution were true then there is no way giraffes would be here.
If evolution is false, then why is RoundUp being phased out as an herbicide? Why will penicillin become basically useless within my lifetime? Why are humans taller, stronger and living longer than ever before?
Your first two examples are good but you need to go sit in the corner after throwing in that last one, it has nothing to do with evolution and everything to do with medical advances and nutrition. If anything humans are de-evolving?(Not sure about the correct term here). Being smarter/taller/wealthier etc no longer guarantee your offspring a better chance of surviving childhood and reproducing then your dumb/shorter/poor neighbor's kids.
Hey, potato potahto, you know?
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NOT JUST GIRAFFES
One of the most bizarre of all fish is the anglerfish, a deep-water fish which can live more than a mile under the surface. This strange creature has a structure growing out of its head that resembles a fishing rod. On the very tip of this “rod” is a worm-like structure that has an incredible function: it can produce light! This wonderful light-producing organ is held close to the mouth of the anglerfish. Smaller fish are attracted to the light, thinking that it is a food source. When they try to eat the “food,” they become the next meal of the hungry anglerfish!
The anglerfish’s light poses a problem for evolution. Evolutionists might attempt to state that it evolved gradually over long periods of time. Since the anglerfish relies so heavily on its fishing system for food, however, an underdeveloped or non-functioning light would probably lead to the fish’s starvation. The light itself is extremely complex. Involving the compound Luciferin and the enzyme Luciferase, it is remarkable in that it produces no heat[13]. Tireless research has been spent on these two substances (Luc-iferase was found to contain more than 1000 proteins!), but still no one knows for certain how the light is made[14].
Another interesting part of the anglerfish is its body structure. It is specially built to withstand the immense pressures it encounters in the depths of the ocean. The anglerfish lives where the pressure is around 2000 pounds per square inch, but it suffers no damage; it was designed to live in this environment. This prevents a regular fish from evolving into an anglerfish; if it somehow sank into the depths to begin its evolution, it would be crushed! In short, the anglerfish could not have evolved from another animal; it was an anglerfish from the start.
oh my....
http://www.cfnews.org/Denk-ID.htm
"Editor’s Note: The following was written by a Grade 12 Catholic home-schooled student who has nurtured a keen interest in biology from his early years"
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fun muffin, what's your theory? (not baiting, I won't come back with a "you dumbass" post, seriously curious)
I believe that simple logic points to a creator.
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oh my....
http://www.cfnews.org/Denk-ID.htm
"Editor’s Note: The following was written by a Grade 12 Catholic home-schooled student who has nurtured a keen interest in biology from his early years"
yea i saw that before quoting. feel free to point out any lies in it.
also i'm not catholic
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NOT JUST GIRAFFES
One of the most bizarre of all fish is the anglerfish, a deep-water fish which can live more than a mile under the surface. This strange creature has a structure growing out of its head that resembles a fishing rod. On the very tip of this “rod” is a worm-like structure that has an incredible function: it can produce light! This wonderful light-producing organ is held close to the mouth of the anglerfish. Smaller fish are attracted to the light, thinking that it is a food source. When they try to eat the “food,” they become the next meal of the hungry anglerfish!
The anglerfish’s light poses a problem for evolution. Evolutionists might attempt to state that it evolved gradually over long periods of time. Since the anglerfish relies so heavily on its fishing system for food, however, an underdeveloped or non-functioning light would probably lead to the fish’s starvation. The light itself is extremely complex. Involving the compound Luciferin and the enzyme Luciferase, it is remarkable in that it produces no heat[13]. Tireless research has been spent on these two substances (Luc-iferase was found to contain more than 1000 proteins!), but still no one knows for certain how the light is made[14].
Another interesting part of the anglerfish is its body structure. It is specially built to withstand the immense pressures it encounters in the depths of the ocean. The anglerfish lives where the pressure is around 2000 pounds per square inch, but it suffers no damage; it was designed to live in this environment. This prevents a regular fish from evolving into an anglerfish; if it somehow sank into the depths to begin its evolution, it would be crushed! In short, the anglerfish could not have evolved from another animal; it was an anglerfish from the start.
If no other fish could survive that pressure to evolve into an anglerfish, then what are these fish that you say the anglerfish is eating?
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At the end of the day, people are going to believe what they WANT to believe. The thing about deism/atheism is that everyone is biased. Some people want to believe there is a purpose to life, some don't. There is plenty of evidence for both sides. No one is going to have any trouble finding a reason (or lots of reasons) to believe what they want to believe. This is noted in the divide of the people who research evolution. 40% believe in a God, 45% do not. (These numbers have remained pretty constant over the years). They are the ones who have all of the evidence in front of them, and it's still split fairly evenly. So if anyone in this thread is trying to change someone else's worldview, it's not going to work.
I disagree. I've had opinions influenced by message boards several times when either presented with new facts or perspectives. Your post reads like an excuse for people to live with their heads in the sand.
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Also created to exist down there. :dunno:
just skim through this http://www.rae.org/pdf/revev5.pdf (http://www.rae.org/pdf/revev5.pdf)
i'm never going to claim to be an expert on this. i'm neither a scientist or a pastor.
but i'm not going to stick my head in the sand and believe that evolution is true because some scientists claim it is; because there are such glaring holes in evolution.
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Also created to exist down there. :dunno:
just skim through this http://www.rae.org/pdf/revev5.pdf (http://www.rae.org/pdf/revev5.pdf)
i'm never going to claim to be an expert on this. i'm neither a scientist or a pastor.
but i'm not going to stick my head in the sand and believe that evolution is true because some scientists claim it is; because there are such glaring holes in evolution.
I beg you to pick up and read "Why Evolution is Right." Just give it a whirl.
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fun muffin, what's your theory? (not baiting, I won't come back with a "you dumbass" post, seriously curious)
I believe that simple logic points to a creator.
Please explain the logic of a) dinosaur bones with no mammals in the same layers of geology, b) why the fossils record contains the fossils of thousands of species similar to species of today, but fossils of the today's species they are similar to aren't found in the geology, and c) why isn't possible the anglerfish could have evolved over time the ability to down slightly deeper over each generation(s)?
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oh my....
http://www.cfnews.org/Denk-ID.htm
"Editor’s Note: The following was written by a Grade 12 Catholic home-schooled student who has nurtured a keen interest in biology from his early years"
yea i saw that before quoting. feel free to point out any lies in it.
also i'm not catholic
It could have certainly evolved from some other, much simpler life form at that depth. Just because a flounder couldn't have gone to that depth and evolved in to it does not preclude evolution. Taking an example from the deep sea, which is the part of the earth we have the least knowledge about, is pretty silly IMO. We know more about species that have been extinct for millennia than we do about the animals in the deep sea.
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Also created to exist down there. :dunno:
just skim through this http://www.rae.org/pdf/revev5.pdf (http://www.rae.org/pdf/revev5.pdf)
i'm never going to claim to be an expert on this. i'm neither a scientist or a pastor.
but i'm not going to stick my head in the sand and believe that evolution is true because some scientists claim it is; because there are such glaring holes in evolution.
Think of it this way fun muffin: Tommy Tuff Nuts Ugly Fish (and his family, of course) are kind of loaners. So they decide to get away and go deeper into the ocean. They start to swim down, when all of a sudden they're like "whoa, the pressure's getting mighty intense, we better stop here. So Tommy and his family reside at that depth for a while. During that time some of Tommy's family dies. (sad really) What happens to the dead, lifeless uglyfish body you ask? Well it falls to the depths of the ocean where it's unstrengthened skeletal structure is crushed by the intense pressure. (Ya see what just happened there?)
Over the years Tommy's family (descendants at this point) keep going deeper and deeper. All the while developing strengthened skeletons. Unitl finally, Tommy Tuff Nuts Ugly Fish Descendants have a strong enough skeletal structure to reside at the bottom of the ocean. It took awhile, but Tommy's family finally got away from those prick non-ugly fish that kept FI'ing the crap out of his kids. Slowly but surely, over many many years, this family of fish developed the ability to withstand extreme pressure.
Pretty basic stuff really. I used to not like peas, but as I've aged, my taste for them has evolved.
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I'm not comfortable with Pittcats attempt at explaining evolution.
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I'm not comfortable with Pittcats attempt at explaining evolution.
I liked some of it, especially: got away from those prick non-ugly fish that kept FI'ing the crap out of his kids
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Also created to exist down there. :dunno:
just skim through this http://www.rae.org/pdf/revev5.pdf (http://www.rae.org/pdf/revev5.pdf)
i'm never going to claim to be an expert on this. i'm neither a scientist or a pastor.
but i'm not going to stick my head in the sand and believe that evolution is true because some scientists claim it is; because there are such glaring holes in evolution.
Are you from the South?
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Fun muffin, do you think that these scientists that have spent their entire careers rigorously studying the theory of evolution are trying to pull a fast one on us? Do you think they somehow have something to gain by saying they have more confidence in this than they actually do? Many have reconciled evolution with their belief in god or an original creator so most are not trying to discredit that idea. Almost none in the field believe in the young earth theory that posits a creator creating species nearly as they are today.
The scientific community doesn't have quite as much confidence in the earth being billions of years old and life evolving from single-cell organisms as they do in the theory of gravity, but its pretty close.
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NOT JUST GIRAFFES
One of the most bizarre of all fish is the anglerfish, a deep-water fish which can live more than a mile under the surface. This strange creature has a structure growing out of its head that resembles a fishing rod. On the very tip of this “rod” is a worm-like structure that has an incredible function: it can produce light! This wonderful light-producing organ is held close to the mouth of the anglerfish. Smaller fish are attracted to the light, thinking that it is a food source. When they try to eat the “food,” they become the next meal of the hungry anglerfish!
The anglerfish’s light poses a problem for evolution. Evolutionists might attempt to state that it evolved gradually over long periods of time. Since the anglerfish relies so heavily on its fishing system for food, however, an underdeveloped or non-functioning light would probably lead to the fish’s starvation. The light itself is extremely complex. Involving the compound Luciferin and the enzyme Luciferase, it is remarkable in that it produces no heat[13]. Tireless research has been spent on these two substances (Luc-iferase was found to contain more than 1000 proteins!), but still no one knows for certain how the light is made[14].
Another interesting part of the anglerfish is its body structure. It is specially built to withstand the immense pressures it encounters in the depths of the ocean. The anglerfish lives where the pressure is around 2000 pounds per square inch, but it suffers no damage; it was designed to live in this environment. This prevents a regular fish from evolving into an anglerfish; if it somehow sank into the depths to begin its evolution, it would be crushed! In short, the anglerfish could not have evolved from another animal; it was an anglerfish from the start.
Great example of how the angler fish evolved to avoid it's predators. The off-spring of each generation developing tolerances to the pressure as they breed and thus avoiding predation and breeding with another, equally adept anglerfish. Evolution marches on undaunted.
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NOT JUST GIRAFFES
One of the most bizarre of all fish is the anglerfish, a deep-water fish which can live more than a mile under the surface. This strange creature has a structure growing out of its head that resembles a fishing rod. On the very tip of this “rod” is a worm-like structure that has an incredible function: it can produce light! This wonderful light-producing organ is held close to the mouth of the anglerfish. Smaller fish are attracted to the light, thinking that it is a food source. When they try to eat the “food,” they become the next meal of the hungry anglerfish!
The anglerfish’s light poses a problem for evolution. Evolutionists might attempt to state that it evolved gradually over long periods of time. Since the anglerfish relies so heavily on its fishing system for food, however, an underdeveloped or non-functioning light would probably lead to the fish’s starvation. The light itself is extremely complex. Involving the compound Luciferin and the enzyme Luciferase, it is remarkable in that it produces no heat[13]. Tireless research has been spent on these two substances (Luc-iferase was found to contain more than 1000 proteins!), but still no one knows for certain how the light is made[14].
Another interesting part of the anglerfish is its body structure. It is specially built to withstand the immense pressures it encounters in the depths of the ocean. The anglerfish lives where the pressure is around 2000 pounds per square inch, but it suffers no damage; it was designed to live in this environment. This prevents a regular fish from evolving into an anglerfish; if it somehow sank into the depths to begin its evolution, it would be crushed! In short, the anglerfish could not have evolved from another animal; it was an anglerfish from the start.
Great example of how the angler fish evolved to avoid it's predators. The off-spring of each generation developing tolerances to the pressure as they breed and thus avoiding predation and breeding with another, equally adept anglerfish. Evolution marches on undaunted.
LOL look at Tom over there with that stupid deformity on his head! Lets call him RUDOLPH!!!!
crap guys, I'm pissed at Tom. That stupid deformity makes it really easy to catch and eat other fish and Now he's bigger and stronger then us. In fact I'm pretty sure my GF is cheating on me with him.
Welp its official, half of me and ms angler fish's kids now have Tom's deformity. At least it will be easier for them to catch fish and survive. THEY STILL LOOK STUPID THOUGH.
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so baffling that so many people are like fun muffin.
why can't you believe in evolution and god? unless you take the bible as a literal word-for-word, and then you're just a dumbass.
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Reading that kid's poorly constructed theories (I prove things by indirect proof!) does more to prove evolution than disprove it. Poor kid was done a pretty big disserive by his parents.
Reading his theories on the marsupials shows he doesn't even acknowledge that Pangea existed.
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high fives to god for being smart and holy and beautiful enough to create evolution!
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high fives to god for being smart and holy and beautiful enough to create evolution!
That's like, your opinion, man
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high fives to god for being smart and holy and beautiful enough to create evolution!
My indirect proof says otherwise.
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But srsly, I've watched enough ancient aliens to be sure that god delegated the creation of life on earth to his alien bros.
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Also created to exist down there. :dunno:
just skim through this http://www.rae.org/pdf/revev5.pdf (http://www.rae.org/pdf/revev5.pdf)
i'm never going to claim to be an expert on this. i'm neither a scientist or a pastor.
but i'm not going to stick my head in the sand and believe that evolution is true because some scientists claim it is; because there are such glaring holes in evolution.
actual quote:
Since there is no significant advantage to the trap forming by itself, I would rather believe that God created it as a curiosity.
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My go to debate topic with the idiots around me in the south is always the Ark.
For real. Dude lives 600 years and builds a boat big enough to house a pair of EVERY type of animal on earth. They even know where the boat landed and haven't found it.
Then of course I bring up black people and holy balls the :opcat: makes me LOL(literally laugh out loud in their faces).
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My go to debate topic with the idiots around me in the south is always the Ark.
For real. Dude lives 600 years and builds a boat big enough to house a pair of EVERY type of animal on earth. They even know where the boat landed and haven't found it.
Then of course I bring up black people and holy balls the :opcat: makes me LOL(literally laugh out loud in their faces).
I don't think we are debating whether the bible should be taken literally, but I'm sure that would be funny.
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But srsly, I've watched enough ancient aliens to be sure that god delegated the creation of life on earth to his alien bros.
This. And weird hair dude emphatically agrees. ('cept maybe about the God part :dunno:)
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Normally evolution takes thousands and thousands of years, making it unobservable in a single life time. But this happened:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/04/080421-lizard-evolution.html
Lizards Rapidly Evolve After Introduction to Island
Kimberly Johnson
for National Geographic News
April 21, 2008
Italian wall lizards introduced to a tiny island off the coast of Croatia are evolving in ways that would normally take millions of years to play out, new research shows.
In just a few decades the 5-inch-long (13-centimeter-long) lizards have developed a completely new gut structure, larger heads, and a harder bite, researchers say.
In 1971, scientists transplanted five adult pairs of the reptiles from their original island home in Pod Kopiste to the tiny neighboring island of Pod Mrcaru, both in the south Adriatic Sea.
Genetic testing on the Pod Mrcaru lizards confirmed that the modern population of more than 5,000 Italian wall lizards are all descendants of the original ten lizards left behind in the 1970s.
(Related: "Evolution's 'Driving Force' Shifts Based on Behavior, Study Says" [November 16, 2006].)
Lizard Swarm
While the experiment was more than 30 years in the making, it was not by design, according to Duncan Irschick, a study author and biology professor at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst.
After scientists transplanted the reptiles, the Croatian War of Independence erupted, ending in the mid-1990s. The researchers couldn't get back to island because of the war, Irschick said.
In 2004, however, tourism began to open back up, allowing researchers access to the island laboratory.
(Read: "Kayaking the New Croatia" in National Geographic Adventure Magazine.)
"We didn't know if we would find a lizard there. We had no idea if the original introductions were successful," Irschick said.
What they found, however, was shocking.
"The island was swarming with lizards," he said.
The findings were published in March in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
Fast-Track Evolution
The new habitat once had its own healthy population of lizards, which were less aggressive than the new implants, Irschick said.
The new species wiped out the indigenous lizard populations, although how it happened is unknown, he said.
The transplanted lizards adapted to their new environment in ways that expedited their evolution physically, Irschick explained.
Pod Mrcaru, for example, had an abundance of plants for the primarily insect-eating lizards to munch on. Physically, however, the lizards were not built to digest a vegetarian diet.
Researchers found that the lizards developed cecal valves—muscles between the large and small intestine—that slowed down food digestion in fermenting chambers, which allowed their bodies to process the vegetation's cellulose into volatile fatty acids.
"They evolved an expanded gut to allow them to process these leaves," Irschick said, adding it was something that had not been documented before. "This was a brand-new structure."
Along with the ability to digest plants came the ability to bite harder, powered by a head that had grown longer and wider.
(Related news: "Komodo Dragon's Bite Is 'Weaker Than a House Cat's'" [April 18, 2008].)
The rapid physical evolution also sparked changes in the lizard's social and behavioral structure, he said. For one, the plentiful food sources allowed for easier reproduction and a denser population.
The lizard also dropped some of its territorial defenses, the authors concluded.
Such physical transformation in just 30 lizard generations takes evolution to a whole new level, Irschick said.
It would be akin to humans evolving and growing a new appendix in several hundred years, he said.
"That's unparalleled. What's most important is how fast this is," he said.
While researchers do know the invader's impact on its reptile brethren, they do not know how the species impacts local vegetation or insects, a subject of future study, Irschick said.
Dramatic Changes
The study demonstrates that a lot of change happens in island environments, said Andrew Hendry, a biology professor at Montreal's McGill University.
What could be debated, however, is how those changes are interpreted—whether or not they had a genetic basis and not a "plastic response to the environment," said Hendry, who was not associated with the study.
There's no dispute that major changes to the lizards' digestive tract occurred. "That kind of change is really dramatic," he added.
"All of this might be evolution," Hendry said. "The logical next step would be to confirm the genetic basis for these changes."
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so baffling that so many people are like fun muffin.
why can't you believe in evolution and god? unless you take the bible as a literal word-for-word, and then you're just a dumbass.
OK Cat i'm not as closed-minded as you might think. i'm still young and learning. i have chosen to focus more on the Gospel and following Jesus than how we got here. and forgive me for throwing evolutionists in with the same people who despise God. the only evolutionists i know don't believe in God. so forgive me for throwing you guys in the same group.
maybe you're right and evolution is the way God created life. i am open to the idea. i don't know how He did it and i repeat i don't claim to know. this is where faith comes in and sadly most of you stop reading. what i do know is how God has changed my life and the lives of others.
i am going to continue to do more research, and please by all means post things that support evolution that i can mull over.
saul i'm from the 316.
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do you think that a guy really was inside of the stomach of a whale and lived to tell about it?
do you really think that a guy built a big boat and put 2 of every animal on it?
guess this discussion is heading somewhere else at this point
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so baffling that so many people are like fun muffin.
why can't you believe in evolution and god? unless you take the bible as a literal word-for-word, and then you're just a dumbass.
OK Cat i'm not as closed-minded as you might think. i'm still young and learning. i have chosen to focus more on the Gospel and following Jesus than how we got here. and forgive me for throwing evolutionists in with the same people who despise God. the only evolutionists i know don't believe in God. so forgive me for throwing you guys in the same group.
maybe you're right and evolution is the way God created life. i am open to the idea. i don't know how He did it and i repeat i don't claim to know. this is where faith comes in and sadly most of you stop reading. what i do know is how God has changed my life and the lives of others.
i am going to continue to do more research, and please by all means post things that support evolution that i can mull over.
saul i'm from the 316.
Yeah, where do you live now? I think you've devolved.
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OK Cat i'm not as closed-minded as you might think. i'm still young and learning. i have chosen to focus more on the Gospel and following Jesus than how we got here. and forgive me for throwing evolutionists in with the same people who despise God. the only evolutionists i know don't believe in God. so forgive me for throwing you guys in the same group.
This blows my mind. Absolutely blows it. Are you home-schooled?
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I think anyone who believes in the literally interpretation of creation, as fabricated in the book of Genesis, is a mother rough ridin' idiot...or not sane.
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I also believe that the notion of God and the notion of evolution are not mutually exclusive.
You can have God and have evolution. You just can't have dinosaurs and a 5,000 year old planet.
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I also believe that the notion of God and the notion of evolution are not mutually exclusive.
You can have God and have evolution. You just can't have dinosaurs and a 5,000 year old planet.
Hey now, the Grand Canyon was carved in a few thousand years.
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I also believe that the notion of God and the notion of evolution are not mutually exclusive.
You can have God and have evolution. You just can't have dinosaurs and a 5,000 year old planet.
Of "God" or "God(s)"?
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Welcome to the D-K Dome! :dance:
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There are more stars in the universe than grains of sand on Earth. No wonder god had to rest on that 7th day!
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To say that the article proves anything is taking a dumbass home-school kids bullshit as gospel. You have to agree with the author's assumptions and premise for it to make any sense. But if you want to believe in a high school student that was sheltered and taught the world by professor mom, and not scientists, go ahead.
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To say that the article proves anything is taking a dumbass home-school kids bullshit as gospel. You have to agree with the author's assumptions and premise for it to make any sense. But if you want to believe in a high school student that was sheltered and taught the world by professor mom, and not scientists, go ahead.
Agreed, but Bill Nye simply asks that the same kid doesn't raise his kids to believe that crap.
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I like bill maher's idiot test of "do you believe in the talking snake?". Much more simple than arcs and such.
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My go to debate topic with the idiots around me in the south is always the Ark.
For real. Dude lives 600 years and builds a boat big enough to house a pair of EVERY type of animal on earth. They even know where the boat landed and haven't found it.
Then of course I bring up black people and holy balls the :opcat: makes me LOL(literally laugh out loud in their faces).
I don't think we are debating whether the bible should be taken literally, but I'm sure that would be funny.
Unless it is the part about hating gay people. That is to be taken very literally.
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I also believe that the notion of God and the notion of evolution are not mutually exclusive.
You can have God and have evolution. You just can't have dinosaurs and a 5,000 year old planet.
You also can't have an all-loving God and hate gay people.
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I also believe that the notion of God and the notion of evolution are not mutually exclusive.
You can have God and have evolution. You just can't have dinosaurs and a 5,000 year old planet.
You also can't have an all-loving God and hate gay people.
Don't you know? They hate the sin, not the person. They want to save the person from eternal damnation in a fiery hell. If they hated the person they wouldn't try to get them to change their ways and repent.
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yeah, if they hated the person then they wouldn't go out of their way to stand in line at a fast food joint to show that they hate them
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yeah, if they hated the person then they wouldn't go out of their way to stand in line at a fast food joint to show that they hate what they do while still loving them
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I also believe that the notion of God and the notion of evolution are not mutually exclusive.
You can have God and have evolution. You just can't have dinosaurs and a 5,000 year old planet.
You also can't have an all-loving God and hate gay people.
Don't you know? They hate the sin, not the person. They want to save the person from eternal damnation in a fiery hell. If they hated the person they wouldn't try to get them to change their ways and repent.
I can assure you that you are not speaking for all of them right now.
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Very little accounts of written history in the Bible, Quran or Torah can be corroborated with the written history of pagan civilizations during the same time periods. What does this tell you?
Also, nearly all monotheistic religions began by 1 man claiming to talk to an angel (who is talking to god), by talking to god himself, or by being god (or his son).
It was only later in these religions history that duality was accepted. (good vs bad). This most likely happened during the rise of Zoroastrianism.
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Plus an all loving God can't hate Arabs and Mexicans too.
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Here's some more science:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_species
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Very little accounts of written history in the Bible, Quran or Torah can be corroborated with the written history of pagan civilizations during the same time periods. What does this tell you?
Also, nearly all monotheistic religions began by 1 man claiming to talk to an angel (who is talking to god), by talking to god himself, or by being god (or his son).
It was only later in these religions history that duality was accepted. (good vs bad). This most likely happened during the rise of Zoroastrianism.
Fun fact, the leader of the Kansas Zoroastrian society is a friend of mine.
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Very little accounts of written history in the Bible, Quran or Torah can be corroborated with the written history of pagan civilizations during the same time periods. What does this tell you?
Also, nearly all monotheistic religions began by 1 man claiming to talk to an angel (who is talking to god), by talking to god himself, or by being god (or his son).
It was only later in these religions history that duality was accepted. (good vs bad). This most likely happened during the rise of Zoroastrianism.
Fun fact, the leader of the Kansas Zoroastrian society is a friend of mine.
How many people can claim they know a Zoroastrian, let alone the leader of a Zoroastrian society? That's impressive.
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Very little accounts of written history in the Bible, Quran or Torah can be corroborated with the written history of pagan civilizations during the same time periods. What does this tell you?
Also, nearly all monotheistic religions began by 1 man claiming to talk to an angel (who is talking to god), by talking to god himself, or by being god (or his son).
It was only later in these religions history that duality was accepted. (good vs bad). This most likely happened during the rise of Zoroastrianism.
Fun fact, the leader of the Kansas Zoroastrian society is a friend of mine.
Looked it up. Those guys worship Mazda...