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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: Wyatt2115 on April 14, 2012, 12:59:43 PM
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Anyone have a list of potential new guys???
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Anyone have a list of potential new guys???
This Guy (http://illinois.scout.com/a.z?s=169&p=8&c=1&nid=5387828) is on an official visit this weekend. I would be surprised if he leaves Manhattan without pulling the trigger. There has also been speculation that this guy (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/56647/ibby-djimde) may transfer and follow oscar - this seems less likely.
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see roughly the last 5 pages of the 2012 recruiting thread. tia.
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Antonio Gordon in the portal
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Apparently he did something really dumb and got booted bored
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Antonio Gordon in the portal
I think we will be Gordonless soon :frown:
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Antonio Gordon in the portal
I think we will be Gordonless soon :frown:
Say what you know.
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Antonio Gordon in the portal
I think we will be Gordonless soon :frown:
Say what you know.
Lots of innuendo on KSO about D Gordon transferring. I hope it’s not true but there is a lot of smoke.
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Antonio Gordon in the portal
I think we will be Gordonless soon :frown:
maybe the bass player from phish still has some eligibility
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https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/1371822585583910921
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Antonio Gordon in the portal
I think we will be Gordonless soon :frown:
maybe the bass player from phish still has some eligibility
Still eligible to make shitty music
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burn it down if dajuan gordon leaves?
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burn it down if dajuan gordon leaves?
Lol, no. It'd be a mild bummer.
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burn it down if dajuan gordon leaves?
Lol, no. It'd be a mild bummer.
Given oscar’s (in)ability to land impact transfers I would say it’s more of a major bummer.
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we really need him. we'll have nothing from the class of 2019. unless murphy can actually stay healthy. like when pack/bradford/miguel become super studs, probably their junior year, it would have been great to have both gordons and murphy as seniors. that is a potential top 10 team. instead we'd only have one of them, and the biggest question mark of the 3. then we'd have to depend on the new guys and 2021 was a big whiff.
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Kasubke might be able to be a poor mans D Gordon but it would really suck to lose Dajuan.
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If we replaced him with a halfway decent shooter then it would be an upgrade.
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Dajuan has constantly felt to me like he was on the verge of putting it together. He's had some stretches where he and Miguel have gotten aggressive, played off each other, and done pretty well. He also started going to the basket a little more aggressively. I don't know that he'll live up to his recruiting hype but I think he will be really solid for us if he stays.
The kid from American University could be a solid get between his shooting and PG skills.
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burn it down if dajuan gordon leaves?
Lol, no. It'd be a mild bummer.
Given oscar’s (in)ability to land impact transfers I would say it’s more of a major bummer.
Yes, couple this with what ChiCat said, yes losing DaJuan would be a massive bummer. This staff needs to rough ridin' develop some players, any players, please. We can't be a program with no upper classmen, we aren't rough ridin' Kentucky, we have to have players in this lineup for 3 and four years and we never ever get that. If either DaJuan or Montavious leaves we will have 3 out of 10 players in the 17-19 classes who didn't transfer out, that's obviously awful. So we're either going to be at either 20% or 30%, maybe even as low as 10% of players that should be in the program who didn't complete their eligibility. There is no way another program in the country has turnover that awful. Greggggg was cussing out his players and punching them and crap and he didn't lose that many players.
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well said
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also mcguirl is a great example of a bad-mediocre player becoming a solid contributor just by staying around. nino williams, southwell, DJamer also come to mind. our 5-6th best players need to be like this if we're going to be a top 10 kind of team.
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I feel like McGuirl probably became a solid contributor by everyone else leaving more than by himself staying around.
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I feel like McGuirl probably became a solid contributor by everyone else leaving more than by himself staying around.
Yeah
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https://twitter.com/jakelieberman2/status/1372634221743800323?s=21
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Dajuan news will drop tomorrow I think :frown:
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Good, sucks, etc
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I don't particularly care about losing D Gordon, not sure he fits very well into what oscar wants to do on offense, but man, watching half the roster transfer again is not going to leave a good taste in my mouth.
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There is absolutely no rough ridin' way to positively spin losing three of your top seven players, two of which were starters. Two sophomores and one that just transferred here a year ago. I don't give a damn if we're replacing these players with the Monstars. I don't know how oscar can be trusted to do this again.
Gene Smith fired Thad Matta in June because of Matta's inability to build a roster that can win.
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600+ Already swimming in transfer pool, some teams losing 4 or 5 players.
I would hate to see D Gordon leave, good player, good student.
https://www.verbalcommits.com/transfers/2021
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Gordon was mentally weak. He couldn’t buy a bucket.
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There is absolutely no rough ridin' way to positively spin losing three of your top seven players, two of which were starters. Two sophomores and one that just transferred here a year ago. I don't give a damn if we're replacing these players with the Monstars. I don't know how oscar can be trusted to do this again.
Gene Smith fired Thad Matta in June because of Matta's inability to build a roster that can win.
Yeah, I was actually pretty encouraged that oscar found a way to get this team moving in the right direction, but jesus christ, having half your starting lineup transfer, and the attrition is certainly not over, is just a total punch in the gut. eff oscar. eff oscar forever.
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He needs to go yesterday.
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Imagine being in Mikes shoes, seeing everyone transfer after you decided to stay. FeelsBadMan. Its more than likely his fault.
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I don't particularly care about losing D Gordon, not sure he fits very well into what oscar wants to do on offense, but man, watching half the roster transfer again is not going to leave a good taste in my mouth.
It's hard to find any player that fits what oscar does/wants to do... but 9 points, 6 boards pg is big in any system.
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BREAKING: Minnesota star Marcus Carr has entered the transfer portal, per a source.
The 6-foot-2, 195-pound combo guard averaged 19.4 points, four-rebounds and 4.9 assists this season, earning Third Team All Big Ten honors and earning his place on the Wooden Watch throughout much of the season.
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I don't particularly care about losing D Gordon, not sure he fits very well into what oscar wants to do on offense, but man, watching half the roster transfer again is not going to leave a good taste in my mouth.
It's hard to find any player that fits what oscar does/wants to do... but 9 points, 6 boards pg is big in any system.
Yeah, the only two players even remotely interested in rebounding are apparently gone. I'm sure that's perfectly fine for a team that went 4-14 in conference.
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He was handed the keys to the car, couldn't crack double digits points per game and shot 23% from three. I liked his rebounding, but man, the kid was real limited offensively.
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Weber said. “Although DaJuan has played significant minutes and started most games the past two season, he indicated his desire to have a larger role offensively.
Hard to imagine anyone was stopping him from taking more initiative with scoring.
Maybe we'll get a four star transfer. Lol.
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I don't particularly care about losing D Gordon, not sure he fits very well into what oscar wants to do on offense, but man, watching half the roster transfer again is not going to leave a good taste in my mouth.
It's hard to find any player that fits what oscar does/wants to do... but 9 points, 6 boards pg is big in any system.
Yeah, the only two players even remotely interested in rebounding are apparently gone. I'm sure that's perfectly fine for a team that went 4-14 in conference.
We are basically going to forfeit put backs next year
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Weber said. “Although DaJuan has played significant minutes and started most games the past two season, he indicated his desire to have a larger role offensively.
Hard to imagine anyone was stopping him from taking more initiative with scoring.
Maybe we'll get a four star transfer. Lol.
I'd say this jank ass offense and his starting senior point guard dribbling at the top of the key for 15 seconds every possession can be pretty limiting for most everyone else.
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The best two rebounders on a poor rebounding team have left. Wonderful.
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Oh don't worry oscar will get yet another round of chances by our fan base.
Just look how quick people decided that everything was fine by the end of year.
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Oh don't worry oscar will get yet another round of chances by our fan base.
Just look how quick people decided that everything was fine by the end of year.
I was willing to ride it out because I thought people would actually stick around and we'd see some development. NOPE. This will once again be a roster with one player who has been in the program more than a year. It's over, it's time to cut bait.
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I'll be all in if he gets a four star transfer!
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Oh don't worry oscar will get yet another round of chances by our fan base.
Just look how quick people decided that everything was fine by the end of year.
I was willing to ride it out because I thought people would actually stick around and we'd see some development. NOPE. This will once again be a roster with one player who has been in the program more than a year. It's over, it's time to cut bait.
Carl says you will get oscar and you will like it
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if he can't replace the gordons, i'm out. this is bad.
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Out of what
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Cratering 3.0
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if he can't replace the gordons, i'm out. this is bad.
Replace them with what, with who? It's not like he's had a hard time filling rosters. He'll definitely replace them and whoever else leaves, he's forfeited the right to get the benefit of the doubt that anyone will work out in the short or long term.
Seriously, what makes us think these freshmen won't be out after next year if oscar is still here? DJamer, Wes, Dean, Barry, and Kam were the lone exceptions and he's now going into his 10th recruiting class here.
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How many hands slapped the floor this season and what percentage of those hands will not be slapping the floor next season (at least not as a fighting wild purplecat)?
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equal or better transfers or recruits. not likely so burn it down. recruiting is ass, we need another 2019 kind of class to keep it going and it's not happening.
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Need a baseball only hand sign now instead of bball, football and combo
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Gene needs to do his job and remove this parasite by the end of the day.
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Gene needs to do his job and remove this parasite by the end of the day.
Yeah, there really is nothing left to defend at this point.
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https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/1374107240722993154
Never should have given him a scholarship, oscar!
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can’t blame him for wanting to minutes at a lower tier
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Jesus, lol.
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https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/1374107240722993154
That does it. I am done. Absolutely finished with this motherfucking bullshit. The cupboard is now bare. Time to pick a new team to root for.
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can walkons really enter the portal? aren't they just free to leave whenever?
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can walkons really enter the portal? aren't they just free to leave whenever?
Baker Mayfield wasn't, which was complete bullshit.
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can walkons really enter the portal? aren't they just free to leave whenever?
Baker Mayfield wasn't, which was complete bullshit.
The portal didn't exist when Baker Mayfield transferred. Yes, walk-ons which Petrakis isn't anymore, are subjected to the same transfer rules as scholarship athletes because their non-covid eligibility clock, 5 years to complete 4, is the same regardless of scholarship status. Walk-one do go in the portal because they can go from non-scholarshipped at Arizona, to being on scholarship at Bowling Green.
Baker Mayfield wasn't screwed anymore than anyone else who transferred from Big 12 school to Big 12 school when the school he or she is leaving either doesn't grant the release or is slow to. The rile has now been changed. Tech did eventually release him but it was after the semester started and Baker had already red shirted so OU ended up being granted an extra scholarship. Knowing Baker, it's pretty safe to say that transfer wasn't as simple as him not wanting to be there anymore and he just looked at schools completely on the up-and-up. I'm not willing to give Baker, his family, and OU the benefit of the doubt on there being no shenanigans.
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can walkons really enter the portal? aren't they just free to leave whenever?
Baker Mayfield wasn't, which was complete bullshit.
The portal didn't exist when Baker Mayfield transferred. Yes, walk-ons which Petrakis isn't anymore, are subjected to the same transfer rules as scholarship athletes because their non-covid eligibility clock, 5 years to complete 4, is the same regardless of scholarship status. Walk-one do go in the portal because they can go from non-scholarshipped at Arizona, to being on scholarship at Bowling Green.
Baker Mayfield wasn't screwed anymore than anyone else who transferred from Big 12 school to Big 12 school when the school he or she is leaving either doesn't grant the release or is slow to. The rile has now been changed. Tech did eventually release him but it was after the semester started and Baker had already red shirted so OU ended up being granted an extra scholarship. Knowing Baker, it's pretty safe to say that transfer wasn't as simple as him not wanting to be there anymore and he just looked at schools completely on the up-and-up. I'm not willing to give Baker, his family, and OU the benefit of the doubt on there being no shenanigans.
All this football talk has reminded me of how big of a POS HCBS was when it came to letting people transfer.
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can walkons really enter the portal? aren't they just free to leave whenever?
Baker Mayfield wasn't, which was complete bullshit.
The portal didn't exist when Baker Mayfield transferred. Yes, walk-ons which Petrakis isn't anymore, are subjected to the same transfer rules as scholarship athletes because their non-covid eligibility clock, 5 years to complete 4, is the same regardless of scholarship status. Walk-one do go in the portal because they can go from non-scholarshipped at Arizona, to being on scholarship at Bowling Green.
Baker Mayfield wasn't screwed anymore than anyone else who transferred from Big 12 school to Big 12 school when the school he or she is leaving either doesn't grant the release or is slow to. The rile has now been changed. Tech did eventually release him but it was after the semester started and Baker had already red shirted so OU ended up being granted an extra scholarship. Knowing Baker, it's pretty safe to say that transfer wasn't as simple as him not wanting to be there anymore and he just looked at schools completely on the up-and-up. I'm not willing to give Baker, his family, and OU the benefit of the doubt on there being no shenanigans.
All this football talk has reminded me of how big of a POS HCBS was when it came to letting people transfer.
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I don't remember him not granting any waivers, and the only one I can think of right off hand that was contentious was Corey Sutton. I'm sure there are others that I am forgetting tho.
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Transfer portal up to 771 now. How many of these kids are going to be left out to dry?
There’s not going to be greener grass for all of them. Some teams losing 7 - 8 players.
How is this good for college basketball? Looks like a disaster to me.
So far: Texas and TCU 3 apiece. Huggins has 2 leaving with one being a 6-9 soph headed to Kentucky.
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Gonna be the new norm
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Transfer portal up to 771 now.
Can you imagine trying to replace Petrakis without being able to draw from this?
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Transfer portal up to 771 now.
Can you imagine trying to replace Petrakis without being able to draw from this?
43% 3pt shooter this season, tops on the team
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Transfer portal up to 771 now.
Can you imagine trying to replace Petrakis without being able to draw from this?
:ROFL: sure. Good point.
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Transfer portal up to 771 now. How many of these kids are going to be left out to dry?
There’s not going to be greener grass for all of them. Some teams losing 7 - 8 players.
How is this good for college basketball? Looks like a disaster to me.
So far: Texas and TCU 3 apiece. Huggins has 2 leaving with one being a 6-9 soph headed to Kentucky.
Way different than football, there will be places for all players who are D1 quality. There are 357 D1 programs and I'm willing to bet that all 357 currently have scholarships available. If anything, in basketball the transfers have more of an adverse effect on late signees.
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Transfer portal up to 771 now. How many of these kids are going to be left out to dry?
There’s not going to be greener grass for all of them. Some teams losing 7 - 8 players.
How is this good for college basketball? Looks like a disaster to me.
So far: Texas and TCU 3 apiece. Huggins has 2 leaving with one being a 6-9 soph headed to Kentucky.
Way different than football, there will be places for all players who are D1 quality. There are 357 D1 programs and I'm willing to bet that all 357 currently have scholarships available. If anything, in basketball the transfers have more of an adverse effect on late signees.
Sigh of relief. I wasn’t sure the 8 guys leaving Wisconsin-Green Bay would all find a new home.
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Transfer portal up to 771 now. How many of these kids are going to be left out to dry?
There’s not going to be greener grass for all of them. Some teams losing 7 - 8 players.
How is this good for college basketball? Looks like a disaster to me.
So far: Texas and TCU 3 apiece. Huggins has 2 leaving with one being a 6-9 soph headed to Kentucky.
Way different than football, there will be places for all players who are D1 quality. There are 357 D1 programs and I'm willing to bet that all 357 currently have scholarships available. If anything, in basketball the transfers have more of an adverse effect on late signees.
Sigh of relief. I wasn’t sure the 8 guys leaving Wisconsin-Green Bay would all find a new home.
Incarnate Word you mean
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Transfer portal up to 771 now. How many of these kids are going to be left out to dry?
There’s not going to be greener grass for all of them. Some teams losing 7 - 8 players.
How is this good for college basketball? Looks like a disaster to me.
So far: Texas and TCU 3 apiece. Huggins has 2 leaving with one being a 6-9 soph headed to Kentucky.
Way different than football, there will be places for all players who are D1 quality. There are 357 D1 programs and I'm willing to bet that all 357 currently have scholarships available. If anything, in basketball the transfers have more of an adverse effect on late signees.
Sigh of relief. I wasn’t sure the 8 guys leaving Wisconsin-Green Bay would all find a new home.
Incarnate Word you mean
word.
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oscar is getting Mark Smith from Mizzou
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He’s probably as good or better than Dajuan so that is nice
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Works for me!
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Very easy name to remember
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after college he should open a car dealership. Mark Smith Ford. Mark Smith Hyundai. dunno which brand but he’s got a future in the car dealership industry
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Mark Smith Kia
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there it is
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Come on in and SEE us at Mark smith KEEyah
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Mark Smith Buick.
Mark Smith Olds.
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And remember folks at Mark smith Kia:
When you swish upon a car
Makes no difference who you are
No credit, bad credit, even bankruptcy
You’re preeeeeaaaappprrrrooooooved (for financing)
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And remember folks at Mark smith Kia:
When you swish upon a car
Makes no difference who you are
No credit, bad credit, even bankruptcy
You’re preeeeeaaaappprrrrooooooved (for financing)
dying.
I actually believe my Congressman is named Mark Smith. And so is your Congressman, in fact. Clams too.
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My dog's name is Mark Smith
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https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/markquis-nowell-1.html
are we getting this guy?
confidence rising
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https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/markquis-nowell-1.html
are we getting this guy?
confidence rising
Yes that is correct, still have one more scholly left after him.
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2021/alston-mason-239278 (https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2021/alston-mason-239278)
Could be this guy that fills it
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is he here for 2 years?
so we lose two sub-30% 3 point shooters and replace them with two guys over 30%. there's highlights of markquis pulling up 10 feet behind the line early in the shot clock. oscar is like lebron, give him shooters and he wins basketball games.
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is he here for 2 years?
so we lose two sub-30% 3 point shooters and replace them with two guys over 30%. there's highlights of markquis pulling up 10 feet behind the line early in the shot clock. oscar is like lebron, give him shooters and he wins basketball games.
Smith has 1 to play Nowell has 2. Smith replaces Dajuan and Nowell replaces Rudi. I think we upgraded both positions for next year. Will be interesting to see if they backfill Antonio’s scholly with another 4 or give it to the high school pg Alston Mason. I think they go small ball with Smith playing the 4. Starting lineup is all 4 star players and a 5th year senior.
Likely starters for next year
Pack
McGuirl
Selton
Smith
Bradford
Subs
EZ
Nowell
Kasubke
Monte(if his knee cooperates) if not maybe we see Lewis
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what if logan landers is really good?
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6th place is ours next year iyam
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Logan Landers is the type of big man that plays at Wisconsin.
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is he here for 2 years?
:ROFL:
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i do think we can mark this offseason as improved, albeit slightly
Smith > Gordon (am i off here?)
Markquis Nowell > Rudi Williams
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i do think we can mark this offseason as improved, albeit slightly
Smith > Gordon (am i off here?)
Markquis Nowell > Rudi Williams
Smith is not better than DaJuan lol. He is probably a better shooter, but defense, rebounding, energy, not even close. Especially for being 2 (3?) years older and playing 2 more seasons of major college basketball.
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Dajuan Gordon in 714 minutes of basketball had 1 block
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Aka he’s garbage
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Aka he’s trash
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Does he even jump on defense
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Jumps into the trash maybe
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Nowell is super tiny. We need a PG and he had good assist numbers but the size difference in P5 could hurt him.
Also, I'm going to need to know slap the floor numbers for Smith to decide if he is a better defender than Dejuan
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Smith had .6 ows and .7 dws last season. For Gordon it was -.2 and .8, aka hot rough ridin' trash
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Nowell is super tiny. We need a PG and he had good assist numbers but the size difference in P5 could hurt him.
Also, I'm going to need to know slap the floor numbers for Smith to decide if he is a better defender than Dejuan
We have done well with Puerto Rican pg’s so he should work out just fine
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as long as he understands he can't just waltz in here and do things his own way. at ksucatsu we slap the dang floor
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So Oscar is bringing in a recruit with an existing foot injury? Bold move.
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BOOM!
https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/1377075854044450821?s=21
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Now just land this guy and we are all set
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2021/wesley-cardet-232605
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I was waiting for something like this to happen one these days
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1377382164723949568?s=20
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Hell yeah, good for that kid.
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Pretty cool, indeed.
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What is the board's take on the Caleb Grill saga?
He jilted my Cats, which is fine cause 'cause he sux, so I am amused by him getting abandoned by TJ.
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No one cares is the consensus
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eff him.
He's leaving a third school as a sophomore, that's ridiculous. His numbers weren't great at UNLV. If he's the caliber of transfer TJ is going to get, I'm very confident that they will remain cemented in d.a.l. TJ is supposed to be a recruiter, imagine landing a transfer, with all of these players in the portal, that you know will only be a role player in your program. Damn, even oscar found two guys who should have significant roles on the team.
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eff him.
He's leaving a third school as a sophomore, that's ridiculous. His numbers weren't great at UNLV. If he's the caliber of transfer TJ is going to get, I'm very confident that they will remain cemented in d.a.l. TJ is supposed to be a recruiter, imagine landing a transfer, with all of these players in the portal, that you know will only be a role player in your program. Damn, even oscar found two guys who should have significant roles on the team.
Thanks MIR, that's the energy I was looking for. eff him indeed. WSU fans are recruiting him hard on Twitter, of course.
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did u guys see D Gordon to Mizzou...so it's a straight Mark Smith for D Gordon trade lol
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Can’t believe they took on his contract, he has a huge signing bonus due soon.
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New transfer possibility from Wake Forest. High volume 3 point shooter, wing/stretch 4.
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2019/ismael-massoud-83774
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New transfer possibility from Wake Forest. High volume 3 point shooter, wing/stretch 4.
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2019/ismael-massoud-83774
I hope you guys are able to secure this stud.
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STEVE
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New transfer possibility from Wake Forest. High volume 3 point shooter, wing/stretch 4.
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2019/ismael-massoud-83774
Is he coming
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New transfer possibility from Wake Forest. High volume 3 point shooter, wing/stretch 4.
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2019/ismael-massoud-83774
I hope you guys are able to secure this stud.
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guess ismael massoud is arabic for trae young
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New transfer possibility from Wake Forest. High volume 3 point shooter, wing/stretch 4.
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2019/ismael-massoud-83774
Is he coming
Decision coming soon. Mid April think it's between us and Vandy. Remember Moyer a few years ago picked Vandy over us. Didn't work out there and ended up playing at George Washington this year.
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If he comes we’ll upgrade on each of the players we lost. He’s definitely better than agordon. I think we win 20 games next year at least
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Vandy signed Liam Robbins on Monday. He's a face up 5. No idea if this has any effect on Massoud. Vandy still has one more scholarship to give out, I believe that doesn't count Scottie Pippen's scholarship.
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Last Chance U stud is coming to the Big 12 now.
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New transfer possibility from Wake Forest. High volume 3 point shooter, wing/stretch 4.
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2019/ismael-massoud-83774
Is he coming
Yes
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This team just got a LOT better at shooting 3’s. We also now have no one to rebound any shots.
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Seriously?! :excited:
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New transfer possibility from Wake Forest. High volume 3 point shooter, wing/stretch 4.
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2019/ismael-massoud-83774
Is he coming
Yes
Tomorrow at 11 AM sounds like it’s good news
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oscar petulantly voicing his disgust at overly lax transfer rules of the day as he reluctantly yanks a couple four stars through the portal.
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it’s going to be weird having shooters
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Shane nabbed Newell and now Massoud, his stock is rising.
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Shane nabbed Newell and now Massoud, his stock is rising.
:love:
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This team just got a LOT better at shooting 3’s. We also now have no one to rebound any shots.
Don't need to rebound if the ball is made through the hoop
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I didn't like losing a couple starters, but the guys we're replacing them with will be better in oscar's system. Credit where it's due. Now go win some rough ridin' games, oscar.
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I'm not as excited about these players as some of you although Massoud certainly seems like a Bruceian player so maybe he'll improve. I'm not sure Nowell can consistently get buckets at the P5 level at his size but we did need a PG to help keep us get under 20 TOs a game.
I'd like to see some guards/forwards that will attack the basket somewhat consistently but that appears to be all on Miguel at this point.
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I'm not as excited about these players as some of you although Massoud certainly seems like a Bruceian player so maybe he'll improve. I'm not sure Nowell can consistently get buckets at the P5 level at his size but we did need a PG to help keep us get under 20 TOs a game.
I'd like to see some guards/forwards that will attack the basket somewhat consistently but that appears to be all on Miguel at this point.
I was genuinely surprised to see how shitty their non-con schedules have been his 3 years there.
Assumed they're the type of school that would schedule a significant amount of those paid to play P6 basketball schools, but not much of a sample size to see how he handled it.
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I’m still not convinced this is a tournament team and it is going to likely put the squeeze on Selton’s minutes which I don’t like. We should be a much improved 3 point shooting team so that will be fun to watch. Hopefully Pack elevates to another level next year and can put us over the top.
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we finished the year 4-2, and took the national champs down to the wire. our young guys get a full offseason to practice and each deflection, we upgraded. we'll have so much more spacing. if we don't win 20 games i'll take a shot of toilet water.
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if we don't win 20 games i'll take a shot of toilet water.
@sys, early contender for thing to pay attention to next season.
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we finished the year 4-2, and took the national champs down to the wire. our young guys get a full offseason to practice and each deflection, we upgraded. we'll have so much more spacing. if we don't win 20 games i'll take a shot of toilet water.
Before or after fat Damon gets a shot at the bowl after 3 walking tacos?
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if we don't have a winning record, fat damon can have his way with the toilet
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My god, a decent year will lead to a big oscar extension and no toilet water drinking.
I will be cheering for Cats U to lose every single game next year
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My vote is cats tournament teams for 3 years and dgaf who the coach is
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if we don't win 20 games i'll take a shot of toilet water.
@sys, early contender for thing to pay attention to next season.
i don't see stunted as a go down with the ship type of guy.
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if we don't win 20 games i'll take a shot of toilet water.
@sys, early contender for thing to pay attention to next season.
i don't see stunted as a go down with the ship type of guy.
He’s a root for K-State no matter the scenario type of guy, and that’s why he’s my guy! These transfers are nothing but good news for us types!
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I'm not as excited about these players as some of you although Massoud certainly seems like a Bruceian player so maybe he'll improve. I'm not sure Nowell can consistently get buckets at the P5 level at his size but we did need a PG to help keep us get under 20 TOs a game.
I'd like to see some guards/forwards that will attack the basket somewhat consistently but that appears to be all on Miguel at this point.
I'm going on record now by saying Nowell will struggle to score efficiently and guard anyone, at all.
Interestingly enough, KU got a very similar player in Joseph Yesufu. I'm confident that Self will be able to get him some shots though. oscar's offense has been trash pretty awful in creating good shots for people though and being 5'7" or whatever Nowell is, won't be beneficial to finding his own shot.
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I'll wait to see the noncon before I predict where we're going, but I feel like this could be an 8-10 conference win team. The Big 12 will still have a gaudy rpi and kenpom, but it will be down, wins could be had.
I'm close to talking myself into WVU to win it next year. Of course the portal can change all of this.
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if we don't win 20 games i'll take a shot of toilet water.
@sys, early contender for thing to pay attention to next season.
i don't see stunted as a go down with the ship type of guy.
It's a bygone era when posters would wager being run over by a bus.
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board cred meant something back then.
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if we don't win 20 games i'll take a shot of toilet water.
@sys, early contender for thing to pay attention to next season.
i don't see stunted as a go down with the ship type of guy.
It's a bygone era when posters would wager being run over by a bus.
Dlew eat that hat yet?
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board cred meant something back then.
We're aging with responsibilities. Can't be betting with your health when you have a mortgage and two kids.
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I'll wait to see the noncon before I predict where we're going, but I feel like this could be an 8-10 conference win team. The Big 12 will still have a gaudy rpi and kenpom, but it will be down, wins could be had.
I'm close to talking myself into WVU to win it next year. Of course the portal can change all of this.
This non-con schedule is going to be absolute trash
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I'm not as excited about these players as some of you although Massoud certainly seems like a Bruceian player so maybe he'll improve. I'm not sure Nowell can consistently get buckets at the P5 level at his size but we did need a PG to help keep us get under 20 TOs a game.
I'd like to see some guards/forwards that will attack the basket somewhat consistently but that appears to be all on Miguel at this point.
I'm going on record now by saying Nowell will struggle to score efficiently and guard anyone, at all.
Interestingly enough, KU got a very similar player in Joseph Yesufu. I'm confident that Self will be able to get him some shots though. oscar's offense has been trash pretty awful in creating good shots for people though and being 5'7" or whatever Nowell is, won't be beneficial to finding his own shot.
Oscar's trash offense is why I think you take 4-6% off the shooting percentage of the newcomers. They may look like upgrades on paper but by the time they get Bruced, they will be the same players we always have.
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Some of you guys need new material. We've had a great spring in recruiting. I'm optimistic. Go cats!
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Some of you guys need new material. We've had a great spring in recruiting. I'm optimistic. Go cats!
I don't know how you can claim it's no big deal that we lose Dejuan and then do backflips when we get someone objectively worse in every statistical category other than 3pt%.
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Some of you guys need new material. We've had a great spring in recruiting. I'm optimistic. Go cats!
I don't know how you can claim it's no big deal that we lose Dejuan and then do backflips when we get someone objectively worse in every statistical category other than 3pt%.
Dejuan never lived up to his hype. I loved his energy, but he was raw. The #burnitdown crowd wants to elaborate how much oscar sucks for losing shitty players they never liked in the first place and ho hum about legit level transfers coming in. It's so bizarre. The 'zifried's of the world are like "oscar sucks at not getting good juco players like Justin Williams ":lol:" and never lands legit transfers!" and BOOM! He's rough ridin' crickets, planning his next attack on the next goalpost to move. Everything that was requested of oscar to keep his job if he was going to stick around, has been delivered since the end of the season. Let some of us glow a bit and stop stuffing stat sheets down your eyeballs, at these players last stops, at other shitty squads.
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These are all role players.
oscar has put together a nice team of role players which may scratch and claw their way into 6th place next year and possibly be a bubble team.
I hadn't realized that having a revolving door in the basketball training facility and backfilling with role players superseded the requirement to win actual basketball games.
If what WackyTuck says is true, then we have the easiest P5 athletic department to work and coach for in the entire country.
Decent pay, good swag, nice offices, good perks, few expectations. :thumbsup:
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Must suck to be old and grumpy all the time. :frown:
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Oscar's trash offense is why I think you take 4-6% off the shooting percentage of the newcomers. They may look like upgrades on paper but by the time they get Bruced, they will be the same players we always have.
Agreed. We need someone to come in and implement an offense that gets shooters "Ultra Wide Open" rather than just wide open as I'm sure that would've helped these snipers we keep recruiting.
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oscar’s offense doesn’t generate as many good looks as it should, that’s legit. It definitely drops our shooting percentage.
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Must suck to be old and grumpy all the time. :frown:
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Some of you guys need new material. We've had a great spring in recruiting. I'm optimistic. Go cats!
I don't know how you can claim it's no big deal that we lose Dejuan and then do backflips when we get someone objectively worse in every statistical category other than 3pt%.
Dejuan never lived up to his hype. I loved his energy, but he was raw. The #burnitdown crowd wants to elaborate how much oscar sucks for losing shitty players they never liked in the first place and ho hum about legit level transfers coming in. It's so bizarre. The 'zifried's of the world are like "oscar sucks at not getting good juco players like Justin Williams ":lol:" and never lands legit transfers!" and BOOM! He's rough ridin' crickets, planning his next attack on the next goalpost to move. Everything that was requested of oscar to keep his job if he was going to stick around, has been delivered since the end of the season. Let some of us glow a bit and stop stuffing stat sheets down your eyeballs, at these players last stops, at other shitty squads.
My point is you call Dajuan shitty and Massoud legit despite that Massoud has been objectively worse (and was also a highly rated recruit that did not live up to the hype). It isn't that I have a burn it down agenda, I'm looking at data. It's that you want to be right in propping oscar up more than you want KSU to be good at basketball.
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Some of you guys need new material. We've had a great spring in recruiting. I'm optimistic. Go cats!
I don't know how you can claim it's no big deal that we lose Dejuan and then do backflips when we get someone objectively worse in every statistical category other than 3pt%.
Dejuan never lived up to his hype. I loved his energy, but he was raw. The #burnitdown crowd wants to elaborate how much oscar sucks for losing shitty players they never liked in the first place and ho hum about legit level transfers coming in. It's so bizarre. The 'zifried's of the world are like "oscar sucks at not getting good juco players like Justin Williams ":lol:" and never lands legit transfers!" and BOOM! He's rough ridin' crickets, planning his next attack on the next goalpost to move. Everything that was requested of oscar to keep his job if he was going to stick around, has been delivered since the end of the season. Let some of us glow a bit and stop stuffing stat sheets down your eyeballs, at these players last stops, at other shitty squads.
My point is you call Dajuan shitty and Massoud legit despite that Massoud has been objectively worse (and was also a highly rated recruit that did not live up to the hype). It isn't that I have a burn it down agenda, I'm looking at data. It's that you want to be right in propping oscar up more than you want KSU to be good at basketball.
Massoud was forced to play out of position at Wake Forest though and this will not happen as a Wildcat. He will be an integral part of the team next year that wins the Big 12 and contends for a national championship.
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I don't gaf about propping oscar up. I care about fun recruiting and making the team better. This seems fun and I hope we're good.
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Some of you guys need new material. We've had a great spring in recruiting. I'm optimistic. Go cats!
I don't know how you can claim it's no big deal that we lose Dejuan and then do backflips when we get someone objectively worse in every statistical category other than 3pt%.
Dejuan never lived up to his hype. I loved his energy, but he was raw. The #burnitdown crowd wants to elaborate how much oscar sucks for losing shitty players they never liked in the first place and ho hum about legit level transfers coming in. It's so bizarre. The 'zifried's of the world are like "oscar sucks at not getting good juco players like Justin Williams ":lol:" and never lands legit transfers!" and BOOM! He's rough ridin' crickets, planning his next attack on the next goalpost to move. Everything that was requested of oscar to keep his job if he was going to stick around, has been delivered since the end of the season. Let some of us glow a bit and stop stuffing stat sheets down your eyeballs, at these players last stops, at other shitty squads.
My point is you call Dajuan shitty and Massoud legit despite that Massoud has been objectively worse (and was also a highly rated recruit that did not live up to the hype). It isn't that I have a burn it down agenda, I'm looking at data. It's that you want to be right in propping oscar up more than you want KSU to be good at basketball.
Smith replaces D Gordon and Massoud replaced A Gordon. Newell replaces Rudi. It’s an upgrade at all three spots. Also Massoud was forced into the 5 spot at Wake last year so his his stats are skewed. It’s why he shot lower from 2Pt than 3Pt last year.
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there is no such thing as a oscar fan, he's a dork. just non-haters. i would have been for his firing if he had a bad offseason. but the oscar haters hate him even when he's in the tourney or winning big 12 titles. we are the objective ones.
these 3 guys aren't home runs but that's fine. i always thought if nobody major left (and no major addition), the freshman class would be pretty good next year, and a top 15 kind of team in 2 years. replacing the lost guys with slight upgrades is a nice bonus. i'm putting a lot of value in their shooting because we had zero last year. it's really going to open things up for miguel and bradford to operate.
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Oscar's trash offense is why I think you take 4-6% off the shooting percentage of the newcomers. They may look like upgrades on paper but by the time they get Bruced, they will be the same players we always have.
Agreed. We need someone to come in and implement an offense that gets shooters "Ultra Wide Open" rather than just wide open as I'm sure that would've helped these snipers we keep recruiting.
I'm certain that you aren't the tuck I had this conversation with on twitter, but oscar's offense at K-State has been inarguably bad. Whatever metric you want to use, shooting percentages or offensive efficiency ratings, K-State has spent most of the last decade in the bottom half of the conference in these stats.
I know his teams struggle to get open, in rhythm shots. If you think it's just payers missing open shots, then you blame oscar for recruiting players who can't hit shots
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If you never learn newcomers' names, it's not a lost investment when they leave.
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Wake fan on reddit re Massoud: "I like ish. But he was one of the most frustrating players to watch. Bad shot selection, no effort on defense, cannot dribble, and is one of the least athletic players I've seen. Other than the insane game against Pitt, he was disappointing."
Another Wake fan: "Was too unathletic to be a 3, and not strong enough to be a 4 this year ... "
Seems to check all the Oscar boxes except that he has outside shooting ability. Obviously, he isn't going to help on the boards or be much inclined to on a team weakened by the loss of its to best rebounders.
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there is no such thing as a oscar fan, he's a dork. just non-haters. i would have been for his firing if he had a bad offseason. but the oscar haters hate him even when he's in the tourney or winning big 12 titles. we are the objective ones.
these 3 guys aren't home runs but that's fine. i always thought if nobody major left (and no major addition), the freshman class would be pretty good next year, and a top 15 kind of team in 2 years. replacing the lost guys with slight upgrades is a nice bonus. i'm putting a lot of value in their shooting because we had zero last year. it's really going to open things up for miguel and bradford to operate.
This
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Wake fan on reddit re Massoud: "I like ish. But he was one of the most frustrating players to watch. Bad shot selection, no effort on defense, cannot dribble, and is one of the least athletic players I've seen. Other than the insane game against Pitt, he was disappointing."
Another Wake fan: "Was too unathletic to be a 3, and not strong enough to be a 4 this year ... "
Seems to check all the Oscar boxes except that he has outside shooting ability. Obviously, he isn't going to help on the boards or be much inclined to on a team weakened by the loss of its to best rebounders.
On this team we slap the rough ridin' floor
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Wake fan on reddit re Massoud: "I like ish. But he was one of the most frustrating players to watch. Bad shot selection, no effort on defense, cannot dribble, and is one of the least athletic players I've seen. Other than the insane game against Pitt, he was disappointing."
Another Wake fan: "Was too unathletic to be a 3, and not strong enough to be a 4 this year ... "
Seems to check all the Oscar boxes except that he has outside shooting ability. Obviously, he isn't going to help on the boards or be much inclined to on a team weakened by the loss of its to best rebounders.
On this team we slap the rough ridin' floor
It's an open question whether Massoud is athletic enough to slap the floor. He might just flick it, and call it good. Now the 5-7 midget PG, he'll slap hard with both hands, but still be a midget.
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trying too hard
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Must suck to be old and grumpy all the time. :frown:
WackyTuck just loves to see our school pump millions upon millions of dollars into coaches pockets for shitty results.
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Must suck to be old and grumpy all the time. :frown:
WackyTuck just loves to see our school pump millions upon millions of dollars into coaches pockets for shitty results.
trying too hard
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GUYS!!! :excited:
https://twitter.com/jlkurtz/status/1382779473615986688?s=20
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If top of the league is 6th place I think he is right
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oscar gets a lifetime contract similar to Bill's if we complete the greatest turnaround in college basketball history and make the tourney next season, right?
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That should be the expectation every year. Man we suck if that's something to get excited about.
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If top of the league is 6th place I think he is right
It is. 7-10 are the wednesday losers.
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That should be the expectation every year. Man we suck if that's something to get excited about.
That's 365 colleges goal every year, dork!
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That should be the expectation every year. Man we suck if that's something to get excited about.
That's 365 colleges goal every year, dork!
Then why get all excited about a tweet saying that's the goal for this season?
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Let’s not forget Murphy. What’s up with his knee? He was better than Antonio freshman year so it would be huge if he comes back at even the same level. This team would be so deep.
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Let’s not forget Murphy. What’s up with his knee? He was better than Antonio freshman year so it would be huge if he comes back at even the same level. This team would be so deep.
Don’t sleep on Kasubke, was a top 150 player most of the cycle. We just don’t have a Claws caliber player unfortunately.
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We just don’t have a Claws caliber player unfortunately.
I don't think it's crazy to say that Bradford has that kind of potential.
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I could see Bradford climbing some draft boards next year
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We just don’t have a Claws caliber player unfortunately.
I don't think it's crazy to say that Bradford has that kind of potential.
I do but I hope you are right and I am wrong
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I could see Bradford climbing some draft boards next year
Nope. See Luka Garza
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Would take!
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I think Bradford has the potential to be very good but not a strong NBA prospect in today's game.
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I think Bradford has the potential to be very good but not a strong NBA prospect in today's game.
Yea he won’t be nearly as dominant as a healthy Claws, but he’s a very nice player.
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I think Bradford has the potential to be very good but not a strong NBA prospect in today's game.
he's going to be an awesome college 5 when all is said and done
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Would take!
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I could see Bradford climbing some draft boards next year
Nope. See Luka Garza
Would you say Jahlil Okafor was the straw that broke the camel’s back on that?
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I could see Bradford climbing some draft boards next year
Nope. See Luka Garza
Would you say Jahlil Okafor was the straw that broke the camel’s back on that?
I wouldn't think so. It's more a matter of style of play. That viral tweet of Candace Parker dunking on Shaq about the pick and roll in today's NBA is a perfect example of why a limited skills big is no longer something sought after.
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I hear you. Okafor is the last dominant college big I remember being taken really high. He obv floundered and I can’t think of any being highly sought after since.
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I hear you. Okafor is the last dominant college big I remember being taken really high. He obv floundered and I can’t think of any being highly sought after since.
u got people like mo bamba or whatever, but arguably he's not a classic big (plus he's bustin' pretty hard...got him in my damn keeper league too)
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https://twitter.com/AntonioGordon_/status/1383196830448504832?s=19
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I'm happy for him that he has signed somewhere, I'm surprised and disappointed that it's with one of the worst programs in D1.
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Antonio Gordon was trash. wgaf
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Did we know Antonio is Puerto Rican?
https://twitter.com/NcaabasketLA/status/1383202847957864450
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Damn, that could have changed everything
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Antonio Gordon was trash. wgaf
i thought he was at least half-decent...probably didn't get great recs from the ksu coaches
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https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/1415005303389700098
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are we going to have 5 players even? maybe start practicing with the MCC Thunder to boost confidence heading into a game against Fort Hays?
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That 2019 class sure was something.
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Minutes are going to be pretty damn easy to find
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Meh
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https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/1415005303389700098
he's blocking his own shot
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“much”
Korn!
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lol @ “much”
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lol @ “much”
Das boot?
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There's only room in my heart for one m**tavious
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Minutes are going to be pretty damn easy to find
We actually have the opposite problem
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Yup!
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https://twitter.com/FrankMartin_SC/status/1414994706459660288?s=19
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https://twitter.com/FrankMartin_SC/status/1414994706459660288?s=19
Yup. I blame oscar for the Cats sucking.
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https://twitter.com/FrankMartin_SC/status/1414994706459660288?s=19
Damn, he’s still got it
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https://twitter.com/FrankMartin_SC/status/1414994706459660288?s=19
Damn, he’s still got it
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Love him.
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He's definitely well established in the transfer game.
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https://twitter.com/lilabbromberg/status/1468409196861222914
Mizzou has the worst NET rating in any of the power 7 conferences. They're in the piss barn on Saturday and they're going to get rekt.
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he really should have stayed. would be great energy off the bench.
can't believe ku and mu haven't played in 9 years. conference realignment is dumb
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It’s going to be a bloodbath
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