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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: wetwillie on February 22, 2012, 06:21:01 PM
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If anyone on this team has a shot at the league I think it is Shane. Pretty crazy what Frank is doing with the talent that he has.
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Maybe JO? Sometimes 7 footers make teams just because they are 7 foot.
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jo
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none of them have a shot. so they're all tied for last.
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Upshaw
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What's holding McGruds back? Size?
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If anyone on this team has a shot at the league I think it is Shane. Pretty crazy what Frank is doing with the talent that he has.
is this a joke?
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What's holding McGruds back? Size?
Nothing's holding Rodney back, his size and skill set are sufficient enough to be an NBA 2, frankly he just needs to get better. I wouldn't be shocked to see Rod as a late pick next year if he continues to improve.
The talking point that the NBA takes 7 rioters as projects is a fallacy. First of all JO is not a true seven footer. When the GMs do take a seven footer they generally look for two things either someone that's a banger with the body to withstand an 82 game season + playoffs. Or if they are a slender guy like JO they need to be able to face up and hit jump shots.
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Ojeleye
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JO can hit the FT extended J? It seems like he rarely misses in that range when he takes them. It's not like Dirk quality fade away awesomeness, but if left open, he hits it. If he has a solid SR campaign he might make it. Though I think his size and skill set is better suited for the way the NBA was, not how it is.
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Ojeleye
I was waiting for some dumbass to throw this out there. DUR DUR DUR.
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Diaz has a chance, 6'10" and a good skill set needs to develop.
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What's holding McGruds back? Size?
Nothing's holding Rodney back, his size and skill set are sufficient enough to be an NBA 2, frankly he just needs to get better. I wouldn't be shocked to see Rod as a late pick next year if he continues to improve.
Rodney is pretty small and weak for an NBA 2 IMO. At least with his skillset. I would be shocked if he is a late round pick.
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Ojeleye
front office maybe
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#TeamAngel
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#TeamAngel
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#TeamAngel
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J.J. Barea
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J.J. Barea
BOTH PLAYED FOR FRANK!
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#teamAngel's on-court awareness and other natural instincts are absolutely incredible. He just needs to harness that crap. I wouldn't be surprised.
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YOU CAN'T TEACH 6"11!!!
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JO can hit the FT extended J? It seems like he rarely misses in that range when he takes them.
Not nearly deep enough, to be a good high major big in college you should be expected to hit a 15 footer. No NBA defense has to try hard at all to defend a skinny 6'10" kid who has a range of 15 feet.
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What's holding McGruds back? Size?
Nothing's holding Rodney back, his size and skill set are sufficient enough to be an NBA 2, frankly he just needs to get better. I wouldn't be shocked to see Rod as a late pick next year if he continues to improve.
Rodney is pretty small and weak for an NBA 2 IMO. At least with his skillset. I would be shocked if he is a late round pick.
Agree to disagree, we both could name two dozen NBA 2s Rodney's size or smaller. He's big enough not to be isolated on the post or elbow by most bigger 2s, problem is he isn't athletic enough to get around anyone else in the league. His shot would be a driveway shooter, and he ain't that either. Like I said he'd have to improve, I should have included the word everything at the end.
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Not saying they have the best shot, but I think both are decent comparos. Gipson needs to build some muscle and gain some athleticism but he has a wide body and is pretty skilled. Rodney is a bit shorter and a lot stronger than Hamilton but both have similar games. Both have solid NBA midrange games, and with Frank's comments about Rodney being a repetition guy the long NBA schedule would be good for him.
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Gottlieb said early in the year JO has a good chance. 82 games is a lot, but not when you play 8 minutes a game like he would.
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If anyone on this team has a shot at the league I think it is Shane. Pretty crazy what Frank is doing with the talent that he has.
is this a joke?
Frank coaching up lesser talent or Shane in the league?
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If anyone on this team has a shot at the league I think it is Shane. Pretty crazy what Frank is doing with the talent that he has.
is this a joke?
Frank coaching up lesser talent or Shane in the league?
shane
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If anyone on this team has a shot at the league I think it is Shane. Pretty crazy what Frank is doing with the talent that he has.
is this a joke?
Frank coaching up lesser talent or Shane in the league?
shane
Freakishly tall and long with great vision, I don't think he will be an nba player but his size at his position makes him the only one that would look even remotely like a pro
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What's holding McGruds back? Size?
Nothing's holding Rodney back, his size and skill set are sufficient enough to be an NBA 2, frankly he just needs to get better. I wouldn't be shocked to see Rod as a late pick next year if he continues to improve.
Rodney is pretty small and weak for an NBA 2 IMO. At least with his skillset. I would be shocked if he is a late round pick.
Agree to disagree, we both could name two dozen NBA 2s Rodney's size or smaller. He's big enough not to be isolated on the post or elbow by most bigger 2s, problem is he isn't athletic enough to get around anyone else in the league. His shot would be a driveway shooter, and he ain't that either. Like I said he'd have to improve, I should have included the word everything at the end.
Yeah, it's kind of a chicken vs. the egg thing. We're on the same page. He's definitely big enough to be an NBA 2, but not unless he gets a hell of a lot better at to either creating his own shot or shooting lights out from deep.
Really, it's kind of silly to say "so-and-so isn't big enough to play in the league". EVERYONE is tall enough - it's always a question of skill.
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so true, michigan and makeit. i have a buddy who worked in the front office of an unnamed NBA franchise out of los angeles. he told me they had a guy on their roster that was so short, he was invisible to the naked eye. no one knew he even existed, except for a few of us that were considered part of the inner circle. hard to believe someone that small could make it in the nba but he's living proof. where there's a will, there's a way, that's what i always say.
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I know it's respected, but I have a horrible feeling Rod is going to be one of those leave early, don't get drafted guys. :ohno:
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so true, michigan and makeit. i have a buddy who worked in the front office of an unnamed NBA franchise out of los angeles. he told me they had a guy on their roster that was so short, he was invisible to the naked eye. no one knew he even existed, except for a few of us that were considered part of the inner circle. hard to believe someone that small could make it in the nba but he's living proof. where there's a will, there's a way, that's what i always say.
bet that dude could ball.
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he could ball, that's why he made it to the nba despite sizable odds against him... :lol:
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I know it's respected, but I have a horrible feeling Rod is going to be one of those leave early, don't get drafted guys. :ohno:
I don't think you know just how respected it is.
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I know it's respected, but I have a horrible feeling Rod is going to be one of those leave early, don't get drafted guys. :ohno:
I don't think you know just how respected it is.
No, I do.
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JO could easily have a very long career in the NBA. He is still a work in progress, but shows touch shooting a midrange J and at the FT stripe. His slender frame is a drawback, his hands are poor and he's not exactly a deft passer...but the shotblocking ability is a potential draw. Needs to show he can rebound consistently next year IMO. Also, maybe not drafted, but could still have the longest career.
Rodney can't create his own shot. But hey, neither could Cariter Martin and he got his cup of tea with a few teams. Rodney is a solid defender and sneaky rebounder as well. Not probable, but possible depending on improvement next year.
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JO is a work in progress wrapping up his junior year, he turns 23 at the beginning of the next school year. NBA executives don't make a practice of using picks on 24 year olds who have played 4 years of college basketball that are projects. He will need to make a huge jump this summer, some of you need to lose the NFL draft philosophy. The NBA has two rounds if these dude want to keep their jobs they can't make a habit of throwing picks away.
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#TeamAngel
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J.J. Barea
I could see him making himself a nice niche as a 15-20 minute pg. The key in my opinion is slashing and distributing inside the paint. I'm thinking JJ's coming out party in the finals and Angel's lob to JO @ Mizzou are where he is and where he needs to go. He just needs to keep developing.
According to stats he is 1" shorter and 5lbs heavier. Now who knows, hes still you. Guys don't usually stop maturing till their early mid 20s.
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Rodney can't create his own shot. But hey, neither could Cariter Martin and he got his cup of tea with a few teams. Rodney is a solid defender and sneaky rebounder as well. Not probable, but possible depending on improvement next year.
Cartier is 3 inches taller and was a better shooter.
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Rodney can't create his own shot. But hey, neither could Cariter Martin and he got his cup of tea with a few teams. Rodney is a solid defender and sneaky rebounder as well. Not probable, but possible depending on improvement next year.
Cartier is 3 inches taller and was a better shooter.
This.
Guys, nobody on this team will play a minute in the league. I think everyone should be completely OK with that, also. Enjoy the ride bros
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JO would get effing destroyed by nba big guys. lmfao
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JO could easily have a very long career in the NBA. He is still a work in progress, but shows touch shooting a midrange J and at the FT stripe. His slender frame is a drawback, his hands are poor and he's not exactly a deft passer...but the shotblocking ability is a potential draw. Needs to show he can rebound consistently next year IMO. Also, maybe not drafted, but could still have the longest career.
Rodney can't create his own shot. But hey, neither could Cariter Martin and he got his cup of tea with a few teams. Rodney is a solid defender and sneaky rebounder as well. Not probable, but possible depending on improvement next year.
JO would not get the blocks he is getting now in the League. Guys like Cousins, Howard, Nene hell, even Noah take it up much stronger than fairies like Withey and Robinson. I love what JO gives us in confernece play and he got so far in MU's head on Tuesday night they wouldn't come inside - poor Flip almost bugged his ugly ferret face out after a block - but the match ups he would see in the league are just too much.
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We have good college basketball players, but not quite NBA guys right now. We all know what Pullen did, and he didn't even get drafted.
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Not saying they have the best shot, but I think both are decent comparos. Gipson needs to build some muscle and gain some athleticism but he has a wide body and is pretty skilled. Rodney is a bit shorter and a lot stronger than Hamilton but both have similar games. Both have solid NBA midrange games, and with Frank's comments about Rodney being a repetition guy the long NBA schedule would be good for him.
A Rodney to Rip Hamilton comparo is a great way to out yourself as an idiot. 'grats
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I am not afraid to say that a totally healthy Rod has a comparable game to Rip.
Let's see what he does next year with a older PG and an offense that he is the undisputed go to guy on. When Rod is on and attacking he is pretty freaking good.
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I am not afraid to say that a totally healthy Rod has a comparable game to Rip.
Let's see what he does next year with a older PG and an offense that he is the undisputed go to guy on. When Rod is on and attacking he is pretty freaking good.
Thank you. Not saying he is as good as Rip, just that the capable range opens up a pretty impressive mid-range game and both players are seemingly tireless offensively.
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Question was "Who has best chance?". Answer is JO.
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Rodney developed his perimeter ball handling and his drive pretty well this past off season. He seems like a very serious d00d. Given another off season, and the freedom that Frank likes to give to senior leaders, it could be remarkable what Rodney becomes his Sr year.
This is in no way meant to say that he will go to the NBA.
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Question was "Who has best chance?". Answer is JO.
This.
As noted, likely not drafted but could still have a long career. Agreed his strength is an issue and understood he's already "old" but he has the wingspan and a little touch. Of all the current players, he still has the best shot IMO.
Not sure Cartier being 3 inches taller really matters that much, Rod is still a superior defender and rebounder IMO. Rod still has a year to blossom as well. Would be the second most likely option.
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We have good college basketball players, but not quite NBA guys right now. We all know what Pullen did, and he didn't even get drafted.
Is it safe to say Frank is the only coach in the top 6 of this league without a legit NBA prospect?
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We have good college basketball players, but not quite NBA guys right now. We all know what Pullen did, and he didn't even get drafted.
Is it safe to say Frank is the only coach in the top 6 of this league without a legit NBA prospect?
You could probably say the Top 7. (OSU - Nash)
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aTm could be included in the NBA prospect group (Middleton, Turner).
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We have good college basketball players, but not quite NBA guys right now. We all know what Pullen did, and he didn't even get drafted.
Is it safe to say Frank is the only coach in the top 6 of this league without a legit NBA prospect?
Who is Mizzou's "legit" NBA prospect? :dunno:
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We have good college basketball players, but not quite NBA guys right now. We all know what Pullen did, and he didn't even get drafted.
Is it safe to say Frank is the only coach in the top 6 of this league without a legit NBA prospect?
Who is Mizzou's "legit" NBA prospect? :dunno:
English at the 2
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We have good college basketball players, but not quite NBA guys right now. We all know what Pullen did, and he didn't even get drafted.
Is it safe to say Frank is the only coach in the top 6 of this league without a legit NBA prospect?
Who is Mizzou's "legit" NBA prospect? :dunno:
Denmon/Ratliffe
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We have good college basketball players, but not quite NBA guys right now. We all know what Pullen did, and he didn't even get drafted.
Is it safe to say Frank is the only coach in the top 6 of this league without a legit NBA prospect?
I would say that is safe to say but is the statement a net positive or negative?
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negative
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We have good college basketball players, but not quite NBA guys right now. We all know what Pullen did, and he didn't even get drafted.
Is it safe to say Frank is the only coach in the top 6 of this league without a legit NBA prospect?
Who is Mizzou's "legit" NBA prospect? :dunno:
Denmon/Ratliffe
Denmon has recently started to show up on Draft boards and in discussion...English not yet...Rat never. No room for beneath the rim bigs that aren't + shot blockers/defenders. I wouldn't say any are "legit" or "surefire" NBA prospects like Robinson, Jones, Miller, etc.
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We have good college basketball players, but not quite NBA guys right now. We all know what Pullen did, and he didn't even get drafted.
Is it safe to say Frank is the only coach in the top 6 of this league without a legit NBA prospect?
I would say that is safe to say but is the statement a net positive or negative?
Negative in regards to recruiting. Positive in regards to coaching. Frank squeezes every little bit of talent out of the players he's given. I love Frank.
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We have good college basketball players, but not quite NBA guys right now. We all know what Pullen did, and he didn't even get drafted.
Is it safe to say Frank is the only coach in the top 6 of this league without a legit NBA prospect?
Who is Mizzou's "legit" NBA prospect? :dunno:
Denmon/Ratliffe
Denmon has recently started to show up on Draft boards and in discussion...English not yet...Rat never. No room for beneath the rim bigs that aren't + shot blockers/defenders. I wouldn't say any are "legit" or "surefire" NBA prospects like Robinson, Jones, Miller, etc.
re: Denmon, I don't get how he goes. I mean, Jake was everything Denmon is and more and didn't go. The only thing Denmon has over Jake is about 2" height, iirc.
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We have good college basketball players, but not quite NBA guys right now. We all know what Pullen did, and he didn't even get drafted.
Is it safe to say Frank is the only coach in the top 6 of this league without a legit NBA prospect?
Who is Mizzou's "legit" NBA prospect? :dunno:
Denmon/Ratliffe
Denmon has recently started to show up on Draft boards and in discussion...English not yet...Rat never. No room for beneath the rim bigs that aren't + shot blockers/defenders. I wouldn't say any are "legit" or "surefire" NBA prospects like Robinson, Jones, Miller, etc.
re: Denmon, I don't get how he goes. I mean, Jake was everything Denmon is and more and didn't go. The only thing Denmon has over Jake is about 2" height, iirc.
And that stuff matters.
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Denmon has recently started to show up on Draft boards and in discussion...English not yet...Rat never. No room for beneath the rim bigs that aren't + shot blockers/defenders. I wouldn't say any are "legit" or "surefire" NBA prospects like Robinson, Jones, Miller, etc.
I was going off of Chad Ford's Draft Top 100.
Big 12 players in Ford's Top 100:
#4 Robinson KU
#10 Jones BU
#17 Miller BU
#29 Kabongo UT
#35 Withey KU
#41 Nash OSU
#50 Middleton aTm
#54 Denmon MU
#57 Ratliffe MU
#66 White ISU
#74 Brown UT
#88 Taylor KU
#92 Johnson KU
The only K-State player Ford has ranked is Jamar at #172.
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https://twitter.com/WashWizards/status/1536423157690683395
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that was unexpected....
props to the pro-Rodney posters earlier in this thread, btw
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oscar was holding mcguirl back this entire time
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not really a hot take anymore, but i bet tomlin gets a look.