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General Discussion => Essentially Flyertalk => Topic started by: EPAW on September 21, 2011, 09:23:18 PM
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here is my list
Beretta M9 9mm
S&W M&P 15 .22 Performance Center
Remington 870 12 g
Taurus .38sp 2 in
Springfield 1911 .45 ACP Mil Spec
I am thinking I need a centerfire rifle, and a .22 pistol.
Wish List is AK-47 and 5.56 AR M1Garand
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I always save up for an AWP
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I have a glock 9mm and a remington 1100 special shotgun, love both.
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y-l_a dad bought me a springfield armory xdm 3.8 40 cal. I really don't know what the hell that even means though.
he's obsessed with them and has like a zillion guns and ammo.
me I don't give a crap but enjoy shooting them
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1. My right arm.
2. My left arm.
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jeez what the heck
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=14607.0
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jeez what the heck
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=14607.0
the cox interface at my apt got vandalized and thats why i had no internet for 3 days
after they fixed it they had me go out and look at it and they reenacted exactly what the purpetrators must have done like in anericas most wanted it was hilarious
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jeez what the heck
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=14607.0
the cox interface at my apt got vandalized and thats why i had no internet for 3 days
after they fixed it they had me go out and look at it and they reenacted exactly what the purpetrators must have done like in anericas most wanted it was hilarious
Why in the world would a pony have an apartment? Jesus Emawgeddon must be :kstategrad:
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jeez what the heck
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=14607.0
the cox interface at my apt got vandalized and thats why i had no internet for 3 days
after they fixed it they had me go out and look at it and they reenacted exactly what the purpetrators must have done like in anericas most wanted it was hilarious
Why in the world would a pony have an apartment? Jesus Emawgeddon must be :kstategrad:
?8 balls are not a valid form of currency to the state of KS. They pay me in corn and soy beans then I sell them back to ADM the ethanol company for cash or shiny beads
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So I'm not a "gun guy" (only have a shotgun and a couple handguns) but I found myself somewhat impulsively buying an AR-15 online yesterday. Feels kinda like how I still browse guitars even though I haven't regularly played for years.
Anyway, it's a budget AR. It had some mixed reviews with the bad coming from their initial guns,but I've only seen good reviews from the last few years. This is it https://www.radicalfirearms.com/product-p/fr16-5.56soc-15rpr-mft.htm (https://www.radicalfirearms.com/product-p/fr16-5.56soc-15rpr-mft.htm)
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So I'm not a "gun guy" (only have a shotgun and a couple handguns) but I found myself somewhat impulsively buying an AR-15 online yesterday. Feels kinda like how I still browse guitars even though I haven't regularly played for years.
Anyway, it's a budget AR. It had some mixed reviews with the bad coming from their initial guns,but I've only seen good reviews from the last few years. This is it https://www.radicalfirearms.com/product-p/fr16-5.56soc-15rpr-mft.htm (https://www.radicalfirearms.com/product-p/fr16-5.56soc-15rpr-mft.htm)
Are you worried Joe is gonna ban them?
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So I'm not a "gun guy" (only have a shotgun and a couple handguns) but I found myself somewhat impulsively buying an AR-15 online yesterday. Feels kinda like how I still browse guitars even though I haven't regularly played for years.
Anyway, it's a budget AR. It had some mixed reviews with the bad coming from their initial guns,but I've only seen good reviews from the last few years. This is it https://www.radicalfirearms.com/product-p/fr16-5.56soc-15rpr-mft.htm (https://www.radicalfirearms.com/product-p/fr16-5.56soc-15rpr-mft.htm)
Are you worried Joe is gonna ban them?
Yea and no. I think he might make them hard to get. But if he did, would I be screaming from the rooftops? Nah, like I said in not that serious about it. But given the choice to have one or not, I'd rather have one. I got it for $640, assuming I don't get back ordered, and could probably sell it for more the instant I have it so figured why not
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So I'm not a "gun guy" (only have a shotgun and a couple handguns) but I found myself somewhat impulsively buying an AR-15 online yesterday. Feels kinda like how I still browse guitars even though I haven't regularly played for years.
Anyway, it's a budget AR. It had some mixed reviews with the bad coming from their initial guns,but I've only seen good reviews from the last few years. This is it https://www.radicalfirearms.com/product-p/fr16-5.56soc-15rpr-mft.htm (https://www.radicalfirearms.com/product-p/fr16-5.56soc-15rpr-mft.htm)
Are you worried Joe is gonna ban them?
Oh man, what will we all do if he does? :ohno:
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I am a very casual shooter and holy crap it is impossible to find ammo at the stores
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Ya. No range time with the ammo shortage. Damn preppers and clingers
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Yea, ammo is stupid right now. Luckily I bought 1000 rounds of 9mm JHP before it got too crazy. Only like 33 cents per round, but there was some sort of potential defect in that batch, so they are practice only even though they are hollow points. You can't find any 9mm close to that cheap now.
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What handgun ammo is not for practice? Are you glockin' ducks or something?
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What handgun ammo is not for practice? Are you glockin' ducks or something?
I mean, normally people don't practice with self defense ammo. It costs more.
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How much ammo have you used during self defense?
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How much ammo have you used during self defense?
None. Not sure where you're going with this.
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I just thought it was amusing. How much of the good stuff that you've never used do you keep on hand?
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Everybody buy up your AK-47's. It will protect you and your family when the Russians, Chinese, and Arabs invade our country on the ground. Don't forget to stock up on the chemical warfare fighting bullets.
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I just thought it was amusing. How much of the good stuff that you've never used do you keep on hand?
I think maybe 1 or two boxes? Not many. People do recommend shooting a fair amount of whatever defense ammo you have to be sure your gun likes it.
I have 1000 rounds of hollow points because they were super cheap. They were super cheap because they might be defective, thus not something you want in your gun if you need to shoot someone.
But surely you understand that handguns aren't only for target practice, right? And there are different types of ammo for their uses, right?
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Admitted gun dummy here, but isn't there a chance of defective ammo blowing up in your gun? I've never heard of target ammo and self defense ammo. Not saying it's not a thing just not something my dad ever taught me growing up.
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No I don't, that's why I'm asking! (admittedly in a light-hearted ribbing fashion)
Rifles and shotguns and crap make sense to have multiple ammo types, but handguns pretty much only have one application (outside of killing people) so what is the other stuff for?
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Admitted gun dummy here, but isn't there a chance of defective ammo blowing up in your gun? I've never heard of target ammo and self defense ammo. Not saying it's not a thing just not something my dad ever taught me growing up.
I think it's just a situation where it does not fire at all. It's not like they accidentally overloaded it with gun chowder or something. No way they would sell it if it might hurt you due to defects.
You can use whatever ammo you want at the range or to kill your wife's lover. They both will put holes in a paper target or big dick Philip. But hollow points make a bigger hole in things 60% water and less likely to go through the body and hitting something you don't want dead (like that sweet new black friday flat screen). And since hollow points cost more, most people will shoot cheaper ammo at the range.
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No I don't, that's why I'm asking! (admittedly in a light-hearted ribbing fashion)
Rifles and shotguns and crap make sense to have multiple ammo types, but handguns pretty much only have one application (outside of killing people) so what is the other stuff for?
I'm not a gun expert either, but there are several options with ammo for a given caliber. As I mentioned, a big one is hollow point vs full metal jacket. Then there are grains (weight of the bullet), and even different pressures of the ammo (more bang).
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Admitted gun dummy here, but isn't there a chance of defective ammo blowing up in your gun? I've never heard of target ammo and self defense ammo. Not saying it's not a thing just not something my dad ever taught me growing up.
If you have a properly working modern firearm and use ammo that is made by a legit manufacturer or competent reloader, the chance of your gun blowing up is zero.
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What if you are using explosive ammo that is designed to blow things up?
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I have two boxes of 16 gauge goose loads in mint condition. How much can I sell these bad boys for in this market?
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I have two boxes of 16 gauge goose loads in mint condition. How much can I sell these bad boys for in this market?
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Someone is funna be a bitcoin king soon
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the venn diagram of people who enjoy owning lots of rental properties and referring to them as "doors", and people who enjoy owning lots of guns and can differentiate between "practice ammo" and "self defense ammo" has got to have a lot of overlap
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the venn diagram of people who enjoy owning lots of rental properties and referring to them as "doors", and people who enjoy owning lots of guns and can differentiate between "practice ammo" and "self defense ammo" has got to have a lot of overlap
I didn't realize I was a gun totin' douche bag, yet here I am. :lol:
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the venn diagram of people who enjoy owning lots of rental properties and referring to them as "doors", and people who enjoy owning lots of guns and can differentiate between "practice ammo" and "self defense ammo" has got to have a lot of overlap
I didn't realize I was a gun totin' property owner, yet here I am. :lol:
hopefully you never have to Judge one of your tenants
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I'm thinking about buying a gun for fun. I really like shooting them.
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the venn diagram of people who enjoy owning lots of rental properties and referring to them as "doors", and people who enjoy owning lots of guns and can differentiate between "practice ammo" and "self defense ammo" has got to have a lot of overlap
I didn't realize I was a gun totin' property owner, yet here I am. :lol:
hopefully you never have to Judge one of your tenants
FWIW I don't know or ever interact with most tenants. The ones I do, I have a good relationship with. I also don't carry a gun, nor ever deal with tenants face to face if there are problems. Landlords have been killed when asking for rent. No thanks!
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I'm thinking about buying a gun for fun. I really like shooting them.
should wait a bit until they start to creep back down. they are insane right now as well
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Everybody buy up your AK-47's. It will protect you and your family when the Russians, Chinese, and Arabs invade our country on the ground. Don't forget to stock up on the chemical warfare fighting bullets.
No dumbass. It isn't the Russians and Arabs we will be fighting. We need them to fight our own military which is way stronger and has more tanks and stuff than those places. Its right there in the constitution that has never changed!!!!
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I just thought it was amusing. How much of the good stuff that you've never used do you keep on hand?
I wouldn't even consider myself a "gun guy" but I keep a box or two of the "good stuff" Hydra-shok in 9mm. But range ammo which is full metal jacket I usually buy in bulk packs (1000 to 1500 round). Usually reup when I get to around 250 rounds. .223 for the AR-15 is the same. A box or two of hollow points for if I ever go coyote hunting and buy 3000 round bulk packs of FMJ for target shooting. I also have a AR-10 which is an AR-15 platform but in .308. I only shoot the "good stuff" in it that is ballistically matched to the reticle of the scope and keep about 200 rounds of it.
This may sound like a lot of ammo but it really isn't at all. Usually a range day with my 9mm I will go through 150 to 200 rounds. The .223 an average range session is 200 rounds or so and the .308 will be around 100.
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Sounds more expensive than golf.
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Admitted gun dummy here, but isn't there a chance of defective ammo blowing up in your gun? I've never heard of target ammo and self defense ammo. Not saying it's not a thing just not something my dad ever taught me growing up.
It usually just jams because the casings over expand and get stuck in the chamber or the slide closes and catches the casing before the ejector clears it from the breach.
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Sounds more expensive than golf.
It can be very expensive, particularly with ammo prices right now. I checked ammo prices for the Ar15 (.223 and 5.56) the other day and I think the cheapest per round price was almost 90 cents. You'd spend less at a strip club.
Edit: Rechecked, 223 can be had for $0.765 each.
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Sounds more expensive than golf.
It can be very expensive, particularly with ammo prices right now. I checked ammo prices for the Ar15 (.223 and 5.56) the other day and I think the cheapest per round price was almost 90 cents. You'd spend less at a strip club.
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Holy crap! I haven't gotten the rifles out in over a year. Last price I paid was around $.31 for .223.
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Sounds more expensive than golf.
It can be very expensive, particularly with ammo prices right now. I checked ammo prices for the Ar15 (.223 and 5.56) the other day and I think the cheapest per round price was almost 90 cents. You'd spend less at a strip club.
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Holy crap! I haven't gotten the rifles out in over a year. Last price I paid was around $.31 for .223.
Yea, I might buy a little just because I'll want to shoot a new gun. But the gun will likely spend a lot of time in the closet collecting dust before I shoot it much. Prices are bonkers right now.
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Sounds more expensive than golf.
It can be very expensive, particularly with ammo prices right now. I checked ammo prices for the Ar15 (.223 and 5.56) the other day and I think the cheapest per round price was almost 90 cents. You'd spend less at a strip club.
Edit: Rechecked, 223 can be had for $0.765 each.
Democrats winning elections are the best things ever for the gun industry.
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Only gun I need is the one swinging between my legs.
FTR, I always thought taxing the ever living crap outta ammo like Chris Rock suggested was a great way to have gun control w/o controlling guns. I would though wave said tax for ammo bought and discharged at licensed gun ranges.
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Sounds more expensive than golf.
It can be very expensive, particularly with ammo prices right now. I checked ammo prices for the Ar15 (.223 and 5.56) the other day and I think the cheapest per round price was almost 90 cents. You'd spend less at a strip club.
Edit: Rechecked, 223 can be had for $0.765 each.
Democrats winning elections are the best things ever for the gun industry.
That's part of it, but it's more of a perfect storm scenario. Prices already escalated with covid, then a bunch more after George Floyd riots started, and now a Democrat president.
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I just thought it was amusing. How much of the good stuff that you've never used do you keep on hand?
I wouldn't even consider myself a "gun guy" but I keep a box or two of the "good stuff" Hydra-shok in 9mm. But range ammo which is full metal jacket I usually buy in bulk packs (1000 to 1500 round). Usually reup when I get to around 250 rounds. .223 for the AR-15 is the same. A box or two of hollow points for if I ever go coyote hunting and buy 3000 round bulk packs of FMJ for target shooting. I also have a AR-10 which is an AR-15 platform but in .308. I only shoot the "good stuff" in it that is ballistically matched to the reticle of the scope and keep about 200 rounds of it.
This may sound like a lot of ammo but it really isn't at all. Usually a range day with my 9mm I will go through 150 to 200 rounds. The .223 an average range session is 200 rounds or so and the .308 will be around 100.
This is the sort of insider info I come to gE for
I'm thinking about buying a gun for fun. I really like shooting them.
I had a thread about this a few years ago and gE decided I should not buy one, probably the best decision
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I just thought it was amusing. How much of the good stuff that you've never used do you keep on hand?
I wouldn't even consider myself a "gun guy" but I keep a box or two of the "good stuff" Hydra-shok in 9mm. But range ammo which is full metal jacket I usually buy in bulk packs (1000 to 1500 round). Usually reup when I get to around 250 rounds. .223 for the AR-15 is the same. A box or two of hollow points for if I ever go coyote hunting and buy 3000 round bulk packs of FMJ for target shooting. I also have a AR-10 which is an AR-15 platform but in .308. I only shoot the "good stuff" in it that is ballistically matched to the reticle of the scope and keep about 200 rounds of it.
This may sound like a lot of ammo but it really isn't at all. Usually a range day with my 9mm I will go through 150 to 200 rounds. The .223 an average range session is 200 rounds or so and the .308 will be around 100.
This is the sort of insider info I come to gE for
I'm thinking about buying a gun for fun. I really like shooting them.
I had a thread about this a few years ago and gE decided I should not buy one, probably the best decision
I believe that every house hold should have either a handgun or shotgun for home defense depending on your comfort with guns and kid situation. An AR is not a home defense weapon. It is a corvette of guns. Fun to shoot but not really practical for anything other than mass murder.
Edit: I don't feel people should even be allowed to own AR-15 type weapons. I own them because I can. If they were banned tomorrow and there was confiscation (which there never will be) all I would ask is that there be a fair market value buy back and I would be first in line to turn mine in.
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I've almost purchased an AR-15 in .223/5.56 about 100 times, but no matter how bad I want one I keep coming up with the same conclusion. They seem a pointless waste of money.
1. Too small to reliably hunt medium-large game (.308, .30-06, etc. more practical)
2. Not really meant for long range (.308 or 6.65 more practical)
3. Can require close range/precise shot placement to hunt large hogs
4. If you don't hit your target in the first few shots you likely won't have anything left to shoot at anyway, so why 30 rounds?
5. Shotgun with birdshot and slug mix is a better/safer home defense option
6. If they (or their ammo) are outlawed you can't legally shoot them at ranges or use them for hunting. Not sure what happens if you use them for self defense. It's great to be alive, but then what?
7. The ammo is cheap, but .22LR is cheaper, plentiful, and legal
I then looked at AR-10's, but with their weight at full capacity and expense (purchase price, ammo) I just decided I'd stick with traditional hunting rifles.
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I've almost purchased an AR-15 in .223/5.56 about 100 times, but no matter how bad I want one I keep coming up with the same conclusion. They seem a pointless waste of money.
1. Too small to reliably hunt medium-large game (.308, .30-06, etc. more practical)
2. Not really meant for long range (.308 or 6.65 more practical)
3. Can require close range/precise shot placement to hunt large hogs
4. If you don't hit your target in the first few shots you likely won't have anything left to shoot at anyway, so why 30 rounds?
5. Shotgun with birdshot and slug mix is a better/safer home defense option
6. If they (or their ammo) are outlawed you can't legally shoot them at ranges or use them for hunting. Not sure what happens if you use them for self defense. It's great to be alive, but then what?
7. The ammo is cheap, but .22LR is cheaper, plentiful, and legal
I then looked at AR-10's, but with their weight at full capacity and expense (purchase price, ammo) I just decided I'd stick with traditional hunting rifles.
AR-10s are super heavy and expensive. I bought a lower middle priced one and it was $1700. The weight doesn't really bother me because I'll never be carrying it around. It is strictly a bench rifle with a bi-pod.
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Can't you pretty easily swap out an Ar15 upper to 308 to shoot deer?
I'm not much of a hunter to begin with, mine will just be a toy, but thought I might do this if I decide I want a deer.
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depending on your comfort with guns and kid situation.
There was a kid from my home town who was playing at home with a friend of his (they were alone in the house) and they got into the gun cabinet and his friend shot him in the neck at close range. Both of the kids lived in households with guns. The shooter's family kept the guns unloaded, the shootee's family kept 'em loaded. Thank God the shooter wasn't a very good shot and "missed".
Kid was paralyzed from the neck down before he was even a teenager, suffered from horrible depression, and tried to commit suicide multiple times by driving his wheelchair on to the train tracks going through town. He eventually ended up dying before the age of 40 because he was home alone during a power outage one day and his breathing apparatus stopped working. He suffocated to death, and knew it was happening and couldn't do anything about it. His caretaker stopped by to check in on him to find him there dead.
It is a small town and everybody knew everybody else. The kid was probably the nicest kid you could know and was best friends with everyone. It was a goddamn tragedy what happened.
Ever since I've had very little use for guns in the house. Always will.
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if someone breaks into my house they probably just want to rob me and like yeah help yourself dude
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if someone breaks into my house they probably just want to rob me and like yeah help yourself dude
Yeah, this is what ultimately keeps me from buying a gun. The fear that it would be stolen and used for a murder is much greater than being concerned about needing any home defense.
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I've learned and tried to relay to my old man that things are replaceable but people aren't. Nothing in my home other than my family is worth killing someone over. Also why my gun is locked in a safe and only I know where the key is.
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My most must have gun is a Remington 16 gauge auto. Carries like a 20, shoots like a 12.
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I've learned and tried to relay to my old man that things are replaceable but people aren't. Nothing in my home other than my family is worth killing someone over. Also why my gun is locked in a safe and only I know where the key is.
I agree, but I have a wife and young daughter. I hope like hell to never to be faced with the decision, but if someone breaks into my house they will likely get shot. I can't guess wrongly that they only want my TV in that scenario.
My shotgun is simply in a zip up case unloaded. My daughter is so young/small it would be about impossible for her to hurt herself with that, but I'll need to put it somewhere more secure soon enough. My pistol is loaded in a biometric safe by my head at night. My finger print is the only thing that opens it.
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i don't understand people that shoot a lot. i'm pretty sure that i've only fired one bullet that didn't kill an animal (unfortunately does not also hold true of shells).
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sys how did you get so good at shooting animals without practicing? That's an incredible hit rate
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Practice makes perfect. I probably put 400 rounds through my 9 mm. I shot it until I was comfortable with the trigger pull and I was accurate. now it rests next to my pillow while I sleep.
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depending on your comfort with guns and kid situation.
There was a kid from my home town who was playing at home with a friend of his (they were alone in the house) and they got into the gun cabinet and his friend shot him in the neck at close range. Both of the kids lived in households with guns. The shooter's family kept the guns unloaded, the shootee's family kept 'em loaded. Thank God the shooter wasn't a very good shot and "missed".
Kid was paralyzed from the neck down before he was even a teenager, suffered from horrible depression, and tried to commit suicide multiple times by driving his wheelchair on to the train tracks going through town. He eventually ended up dying before the age of 40 because he was home alone during a power outage one day and his breathing apparatus stopped working. He suffocated to death, and knew it was happening and couldn't do anything about it. His caretaker stopped by to check in on him to find him there dead.
It is a small town and everybody knew everybody else. The kid was probably the nicest kid you could know and was best friends with everyone. It was a goddamn tragedy what happened.
Ever since I've had very little use for guns in the house. Always will.
That's absolutely horrible.
if someone breaks into my house they probably just want to rob me and like yeah help yourself dude
Yeah, this is what ultimately keeps me from buying a gun. The fear that it would be stolen and used for a murder is much greater than being concerned about needing any home defense.
A guy that went to high school with my sister came home from work one night and a hitchhiker had gotten into his house (small-town, don't need to lock your house, etc) and found a pistol that he kept in his bedroom. He was slaughtered in his own bathroom by the intruder. Just a horrible, senseless waste of a young life.
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I own a gun, but I don’t really understand the subset of gun people who think there is a 35% chance a violent criminal is going to break into their house at some point
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one time some poster posted some obviously ridiculous stat about percent of people who use their guns in self defense or to protect their house against intruders or something ridiculous. it was so obviously false it blew my mind and we all laughed at them. someone find that post. and, if it was you who posted it, know that we are just laughing with you and not directly at you. it was a simpler time and we were all young.
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I own a gun, but I don’t really understand the subset of gun people who think there is a 35% chance a violent criminal is going to break into their house at some point
My b-i-l used to teach concealed carry classes. The amount of time and money that people spend preparing for the remote possibility that they might be in a gun battle with another human seems out of proportion to the actual risk (unless you operate a gas station along I-70 or something). I guess it is the same psychology that makes people afraid of dying in a terrorist attack when they are much more likely to die from diabetes or a car wreck, etc.
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one time some poster posted some obviously ridiculous stat about percent of people who use their guns in self defense or to protect their house against intruders or something ridiculous. it was so obviously false it blew my mind and we all laughed at them. someone find that post. and, if it was you who posted it, know that we are just laughing with you and not directly at you. it was a simpler time and we were all young.
you could probably find them on the World Forum at kso right now (should you wish to punish yourself in that manner).
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also, I've posted this a few times, but my dad has irl had 3 escaped prisoners break into our trucks and try to drive off with them and he fired his gun at them (don't know if that was a good idea tbh) and they flipped over his truck and ran away on foot and a helicopter came in to search for them and it was a pretty big deal.
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I don't conceal carry and am not very worried I will need a gun for protection. I'd just rather have one if I need it over not having one when I do. It's also unlikely I'm ever in a serious vehicle wreck, but I still buckle up, always.
I understand people thinking it's silly, but we all have different levels of precautions we take for unlikely events.
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I don't conceal carry and am not very worried I will need a gun for protection. I'd just rather have one if I need it over not having one when I do. It's also unlikely I'm ever in a serious vehicle wreck, but I still buckle up, always.
I understand people thinking it's silly, but we all have different levels of precautions we take for unlikely events.
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I carry death insurance too. Costs way more than my gun did.
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These are some really hilarious comparos guys
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I spent maybe $500 total between ammunition and my handgun. I don't see it's a big deal but whatever
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I spent maybe $500 total between ammunition and my handgun. I don't see it's a big deal but whatever
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I don’t think a single person in this thread is making it a big deal. I support all the stuff that has been posted (recently anyway, didn’t go back in the thread). only you know what’s best for you.
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I don't conceal carry and am not very worried I will need a gun for protection. I'd just rather have one if I need it over not having one when I do. It's also unlikely I'm ever in a serious vehicle wreck, but I still buckle up, always.
I understand people thinking it's silly, but we all have different levels of precautions we take for unlikely events.
I mean as sd alluded, that's a pretty silly risk assessment comparison.
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I don't conceal carry and am not very worried I will need a gun for protection. I'd just rather have one if I need it over not having one when I do. It's also unlikely I'm ever in a serious vehicle wreck, but I still buckle up, always.
I understand people thinking it's silly, but we all have different levels of precautions we take for unlikely events.
I mean as sd alluded, that's a pretty silly risk assessment comparison.
Then you missed my point entirely. I thought the second paragraph explained it, guess not.
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I want to know more about this 16 gauge auto and the goose loads. Is it a wood stock with nice engraving?
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So one bullet will kill someone harder than another bullet?
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Pretty much.
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I don't conceal carry and am not very worried I will need a gun for protection. I'd just rather have one if I need it over not having one when I do. It's also unlikely I'm ever in a serious vehicle wreck, but I still buckle up, always.
I understand people thinking it's silly, but we all have different levels of precautions we take for unlikely events.
I mean as sd alluded, that's a pretty silly risk assessment comparison.
Then you missed my point entirely. I thought the second paragraph explained it, guess not.
Was your point that you know the way you analyze risk and take precautions in regards to guns and driving is sillier than most? Because yeah I get that
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My must have guns are the two arms I carry with me at all time.
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sys how did you get so good at shooting animals without practicing? That's an incredible hit rate
it's not a hard thing to do. the bullet goes where you point it.
i wasn't shooting at like some wary beast 800 m away. i just walked around until i found a dumb one.
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Have you shot any 22 hand guns?
no.
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sys how did you get so good at shooting animals without practicing? That's an incredible hit rate
it's not a hard thing to do. the bullet goes where you point it.
i wasn't shooting at like some wary beast 800 m away. i just walked around until i found a dumb one.
Well, I still think you're very talented, sys.
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I don't conceal carry and am not very worried I will need a gun for protection. I'd just rather have one if I need it over not having one when I do. It's also unlikely I'm ever in a serious vehicle wreck, but I still buckle up, always.
I understand people thinking it's silly, but we all have different levels of precautions we take for unlikely events.
I mean as sd alluded, that's a pretty silly risk assessment comparison.
Then you missed my point entirely. I thought the second paragraph explained it, guess not.
Was your point that you know the way you analyze risk and take precautions in regards to guns and driving is sillier than most? Because yeah I get that
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I get you KITN. Brothers from another mother.
I asked my buddy who was in law enforcement for 20 years for a recommendation on a gun for personal protection and he told me get a dog.
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What kind of dog
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Chihuahuas are noisy little bastards.
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What kind of dog
He didn’t give me a specific breed. My old weenie dog wouldn’t have scared anyone.
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Well, I still think you're very talented, sys.
i promise you that i'm not. it's just really easy to kill animals with a gun.
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It's one of the big reasons they were invented.
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I get you KITN. Brothers from another mother.
I asked my buddy who was in law enforcement for 20 years for a recommendation on a gun for personal protection and he told me get a dog.
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Sarcasm aside, I agree. My wife has a dog that is small that sucks and is noisy and barky and generally the weakest most scared dog I've ever met in my life, but for real the most likely thing to save our lives if someone tried to break in.
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Chihuahuas are noisy little bastards.
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Confirmed. I have two.
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I want to know more about this 16 gauge auto and the goose loads. Is it a wood stock with nice engraving?
No, just regular
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Probably a bazooka and a machine gun.
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KITNfury, it's ok to be into guns. I don't know why you're going out of your way to convince us you're not that into guns when you clearly are. :th_twocents:
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KITNfury, it's ok to be into guns. I don't know why you're going out of your way to convince us you're not that into guns when you clearly are. :th_twocents:
I know it's ok, and I like them some. There's a very high bar set for the upper limit of what being a "gun guy" is. I'm on the extreme low level because I'm not interested enough. I know next to nothing about guns except the ones I own (4 total with 2 owned less than 3 months).
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Just embrace being a gun guy, it’s not so bad.
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I just prefer to be up front about my inexperience. That could change, who knows. I think it's more likely I get caught up into collecting more than anything. Similar to how some people get with guitars, audio equipment, tattoos, etc.
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There's a very high bar set for the upper limit of what being a "gun guy" is. I'm on the extreme low level because I'm not interested enough. I know next to nothing about guns except the ones I own (4 total with 2 owned less than 3 months).
yeah, i know some legit gun guys and four guns doesn't even enter the conversation. hell, i own four guns myself.
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yeah, i know some legit gun guys and four guns doesn't even enter the conversation. hell, i own four guns myself.
also, counting up my guns, just helped me remember that i have to limit my earlier "one bullet, one dead animal" fanningbrag to adult shooting only or it's not accurate.
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Animals I’ve murdered with a gun that I can think of right now:
Sparrow
Black bird
Meadowlark
Quail
Pheasant (boy and highly illegal girl)
Mallard duck
Dove
Prairie dog
Coyote
Rabbit (jack and cotton)
Squirrel
Snapping turtle
Bull frog
Rattle snake
Cow
None of these after the age of 20
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I think "guns are cool and fun" is a perfectly fine reason to own guns, because at least it's honest
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i wanted to go cow hunting when i was a younger lad, but never had the balls.
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Another honest reason is what if three escaped prisoners are stealing your trucks and you need to run out and blast’em so they flip your truck
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Another honest reason is what if three escaped prisoners are stealing your trucks and you need to run out and blast’em so they flip your truck
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I choose to prepare for shooting at fleeing escaped prisoners in my farm pickup for the same reason I buckle my seatbelt.
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I bought this thing to use against robbers, other bad actors
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005BDBV18/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_RpHdGbEBYHCTB?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
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Amazing algos(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210125/3e99f81c3cc1854b0bd01b7c9cb8e705.jpg)
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I currently have 3 shotguns that are my father in law's property hiding unloaded in my storage room. This is the most gun interaction I have had since shooting clay pigeons (missing clay pigeons) and shooting a rifle at 4-H camp.
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since shooting clay pigeons (missing clay pigeons) and shooting a rifle at 4-H camp.
:bball: I did this too, they didn't tell me what bird shot was. In fact I didn't know bird shot was a thing until like 3 or 4 years ago. I thought those guys on ESPN trap shooting when I was a kid were hitting those clay pigeons with a single bullet.
Side note I just got a buddy of mine a job as the director of operations at Rock Springs.
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I just thought it was amusing. How much of the good stuff that you've never used do you keep on hand?
I wouldn't even consider myself a "gun guy" but I keep a box or two of the "good stuff" Hydra-shok in 9mm. But range ammo which is full metal jacket I usually buy in bulk packs (1000 to 1500 round). Usually reup when I get to around 250 rounds. .223 for the AR-15 is the same. A box or two of hollow points for if I ever go coyote hunting and buy 3000 round bulk packs of FMJ for target shooting. I also have a AR-10 which is an AR-15 platform but in .308. I only shoot the "good stuff" in it that is ballistically matched to the reticle of the scope and keep about 200 rounds of it.
This may sound like a lot of ammo but it really isn't at all. Usually a range day with my 9mm I will go through 150 to 200 rounds. The .223 an average range session is 200 rounds or so and the .308 will be around 100.
This is the sort of insider info I come to gE for
I'm thinking about buying a gun for fun. I really like shooting them.
I had a thread about this a few years ago and gE decided I should not buy one, probably the best decision
I believe that every house hold should have either a handgun or shotgun for home defense depending on your comfort with guns and kid situation. An AR is not a home defense weapon. It is a corvette of guns. Fun to shoot but not really practical for anything other than mass murder.
Edit: I don't feel people should even be allowed to own AR-15 type weapons. I own them because I can. If they were banned tomorrow and there was confiscation (which there never will be) all I would ask is that there be a fair market value buy back and I would be first in line to turn mine in.
Gun guys and gals with kids, how do you convince yourself that you can properly lock your crap up then get to it in the middle of the night if someone is coming into your house and your adrenaline is higher than it's ever been in your life. Seems like executing this flawlessly is even more remote than someone coming into your house while you're there.
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Exactly. The odds are absurd.
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I'm not going to act like some genius here. This summer during the black lives matter protests, amazing how that works right, white people who never see black people scooped up a bunch of guns because they were scared, imagine how black people felt around a bunch of white suburbanites who are all of a sudden much more vocal about black people feel, anyway during this time I asked my wife about getting a handgun, and she made this argument to me.
That damn thing would have been a paperweight, no chance I'd practice with it or bother with whatever you have r do to get ammo.
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My little loaded gun has been in its case so long, I'm afraid it'll be like stiff or jammed or something and not work and/or that I won't remember how to use it. I don't even open the case. I kept planning to go with my gun guy friend to a gun place and have them give it a tune-up or whatever and relearn it, but now that'll have to be after COVID.
I should probably sell it, because more than likely that cycle will repeat itself every time.
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I miss EPAW.
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I just thought it was amusing. How much of the good stuff that you've never used do you keep on hand?
I wouldn't even consider myself a "gun guy" but I keep a box or two of the "good stuff" Hydra-shok in 9mm. But range ammo which is full metal jacket I usually buy in bulk packs (1000 to 1500 round). Usually reup when I get to around 250 rounds. .223 for the AR-15 is the same. A box or two of hollow points for if I ever go coyote hunting and buy 3000 round bulk packs of FMJ for target shooting. I also have a AR-10 which is an AR-15 platform but in .308. I only shoot the "good stuff" in it that is ballistically matched to the reticle of the scope and keep about 200 rounds of it.
This may sound like a lot of ammo but it really isn't at all. Usually a range day with my 9mm I will go through 150 to 200 rounds. The .223 an average range session is 200 rounds or so and the .308 will be around 100.
This is the sort of insider info I come to gE for
I'm thinking about buying a gun for fun. I really like shooting them.
I had a thread about this a few years ago and gE decided I should not buy one, probably the best decision
I believe that every house hold should have either a handgun or shotgun for home defense depending on your comfort with guns and kid situation. An AR is not a home defense weapon. It is a corvette of guns. Fun to shoot but not really practical for anything other than mass murder.
Edit: I don't feel people should even be allowed to own AR-15 type weapons. I own them because I can. If they were banned tomorrow and there was confiscation (which there never will be) all I would ask is that there be a fair market value buy back and I would be first in line to turn mine in.
Gun guys and gals with kids, how do you convince yourself that you can properly lock your crap up then get to it in the middle of the night if someone is coming into your house and your adrenaline is higher than it's ever been in your life. Seems like executing this flawlessly is even more remote than someone coming into your house while you're there.
I can’t speak for all the gun guys/gals but I don’t own mine for a potential home invasion. They make really good bed side safes for handguns though that kids can’t get into and are easy to open for the person they are intended for. Probably a few folks here that could effectively put someone down with their weapon quickly and effectively but 99% of us are better off with a cellphone and dialing 911.
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I’ve blasted a cotton jack rabbit with a .410 running full out from like 30 yards so I feel pretty good about being able to put some shot through my own truck that’s being driven off by escaped bad guys making them do a flip in it if it came to it.
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I just thought it was amusing. How much of the good stuff that you've never used do you keep on hand?
I wouldn't even consider myself a "gun guy" but I keep a box or two of the "good stuff" Hydra-shok in 9mm. But range ammo which is full metal jacket I usually buy in bulk packs (1000 to 1500 round). Usually reup when I get to around 250 rounds. .223 for the AR-15 is the same. A box or two of hollow points for if I ever go coyote hunting and buy 3000 round bulk packs of FMJ for target shooting. I also have a AR-10 which is an AR-15 platform but in .308. I only shoot the "good stuff" in it that is ballistically matched to the reticle of the scope and keep about 200 rounds of it.
This may sound like a lot of ammo but it really isn't at all. Usually a range day with my 9mm I will go through 150 to 200 rounds. The .223 an average range session is 200 rounds or so and the .308 will be around 100.
This is the sort of insider info I come to gE for
I'm thinking about buying a gun for fun. I really like shooting them.
I had a thread about this a few years ago and gE decided I should not buy one, probably the best decision
I believe that every house hold should have either a handgun or shotgun for home defense depending on your comfort with guns and kid situation. An AR is not a home defense weapon. It is a corvette of guns. Fun to shoot but not really practical for anything other than mass murder.
Edit: I don't feel people should even be allowed to own AR-15 type weapons. I own them because I can. If they were banned tomorrow and there was confiscation (which there never will be) all I would ask is that there be a fair market value buy back and I would be first in line to turn mine in.
Gun guys and gals with kids, how do you convince yourself that you can properly lock your crap up then get to it in the middle of the night if someone is coming into your house and your adrenaline is higher than it's ever been in your life. Seems like executing this flawlessly is even more remote than someone coming into your house while you're there.
I already said, but I have a safe in my headboard that can only be opened with my fingerprint. If someone broke in extremely quietly and my wife's crappy dog stayed quiet, it wouldn't matter. But if I woke, I'd have the gun within 5-10 seconds.
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I just thought it was amusing. How much of the good stuff that you've never used do you keep on hand?
I wouldn't even consider myself a "gun guy" but I keep a box or two of the "good stuff" Hydra-shok in 9mm. But range ammo which is full metal jacket I usually buy in bulk packs (1000 to 1500 round). Usually reup when I get to around 250 rounds. .223 for the AR-15 is the same. A box or two of hollow points for if I ever go coyote hunting and buy 3000 round bulk packs of FMJ for target shooting. I also have a AR-10 which is an AR-15 platform but in .308. I only shoot the "good stuff" in it that is ballistically matched to the reticle of the scope and keep about 200 rounds of it.
This may sound like a lot of ammo but it really isn't at all. Usually a range day with my 9mm I will go through 150 to 200 rounds. The .223 an average range session is 200 rounds or so and the .308 will be around 100.
This is the sort of insider info I come to gE for
I'm thinking about buying a gun for fun. I really like shooting them.
I had a thread about this a few years ago and gE decided I should not buy one, probably the best decision
I believe that every house hold should have either a handgun or shotgun for home defense depending on your comfort with guns and kid situation. An AR is not a home defense weapon. It is a corvette of guns. Fun to shoot but not really practical for anything other than mass murder.
Edit: I don't feel people should even be allowed to own AR-15 type weapons. I own them because I can. If they were banned tomorrow and there was confiscation (which there never will be) all I would ask is that there be a fair market value buy back and I would be first in line to turn mine in.
Gun guys and gals with kids, how do you convince yourself that you can properly lock your crap up then get to it in the middle of the night if someone is coming into your house and your adrenaline is higher than it's ever been in your life. Seems like executing this flawlessly is even more remote than someone coming into your house while you're there.
I already said, but I have a safe in my headboard that can only be opened with my fingerprint. If someone broke in extremely quietly and my wife's crappy dog stayed quiet, it wouldn't matter. But if I woke, I'd have the gun within 5-10 seconds.
Do you keep it loaded in that safe? This is the second of multiple questions I'm going to have btw.
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I just thought it was amusing. How much of the good stuff that you've never used do you keep on hand?
I wouldn't even consider myself a "gun guy" but I keep a box or two of the "good stuff" Hydra-shok in 9mm. But range ammo which is full metal jacket I usually buy in bulk packs (1000 to 1500 round). Usually reup when I get to around 250 rounds. .223 for the AR-15 is the same. A box or two of hollow points for if I ever go coyote hunting and buy 3000 round bulk packs of FMJ for target shooting. I also have a AR-10 which is an AR-15 platform but in .308. I only shoot the "good stuff" in it that is ballistically matched to the reticle of the scope and keep about 200 rounds of it.
This may sound like a lot of ammo but it really isn't at all. Usually a range day with my 9mm I will go through 150 to 200 rounds. The .223 an average range session is 200 rounds or so and the .308 will be around 100.
This is the sort of insider info I come to gE for
I'm thinking about buying a gun for fun. I really like shooting them.
I had a thread about this a few years ago and gE decided I should not buy one, probably the best decision
I believe that every house hold should have either a handgun or shotgun for home defense depending on your comfort with guns and kid situation. An AR is not a home defense weapon. It is a corvette of guns. Fun to shoot but not really practical for anything other than mass murder.
Edit: I don't feel people should even be allowed to own AR-15 type weapons. I own them because I can. If they were banned tomorrow and there was confiscation (which there never will be) all I would ask is that there be a fair market value buy back and I would be first in line to turn mine in.
Gun guys and gals with kids, how do you convince yourself that you can properly lock your crap up then get to it in the middle of the night if someone is coming into your house and your adrenaline is higher than it's ever been in your life. Seems like executing this flawlessly is even more remote than someone coming into your house while you're there.
I already said, but I have a safe in my headboard that can only be opened with my fingerprint. If someone broke in extremely quietly and my wife's crappy dog stayed quiet, it wouldn't matter. But if I woke, I'd have the gun within 5-10 seconds.
Do you keep it loaded in that safe? This is the second of multiple questions I'm going to have btw.
Yea, magazine is in and loaded but not a round in the chamber. There's really no reason for me not to, but let's imagine a scenario where my 3yo somehow gets in my safe. She wouldn't be strong enough to chamber a round. And it will only add half a second to my time to draw if needed.
Also, the click-click of any pistol or pump shotgun is universally known. If an intruder bolts, then nobody gets shot. You hear footsteps come towards the bedrooms, well you know their intentions (not to steal a tv).
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When my friends dad passed away a couple of years ago he asked if he could keep his guns at my house since he has small children. My friend told me they were 3 .22's and dropped them off one day and I put them on the shelf in the basement where they sat for about a year.
Last winter I finally decided to check them out and realized one of them was a Ruger mini 14 that shoots .223. I've taken it out to the cat ranch a couple of times to pew pew and its pretty fun to shoot but like many in this thread have pointed out it costs about $1 per round these days.
My friend also left an old lever action .22 that is now my favorite pew pew'n gun. When my brother and I were staying at the cat ranch last spring we would fill empty beer cans with dirt and line them up. He would start from the left and I would start from the right and we would see who could knock them all over and get to the middle first with our .22's.
10/10 good times.
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I also bought a box of clays and a hand tosser thing so we could blast those with shotguns, good times.
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Ben Ji's dad has not shot a gun in maybe 20 years but keeps buying them because Y2K/OBAMA/2012/YELLOWSTONE ERUPTION so we get to shoot those as well. Mainly your normal ass rifles but he did buy a surplus USSR Mosin-Nagat that is probably the coolest just because its different.
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When my brother and I were staying at the cat ranch last spring we would fill empty beer cans with dirt and line them up. He would start from the left and I would start from the right and we would see who could knock them all over and get to the middle first with our .22's.
if possible, it would be advisable if you could find a spot to deposit your lead that was farther from water.
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When my brother and I were staying at the cat ranch last spring we would fill empty beer cans with dirt and line them up. He would start from the left and I would start from the right and we would see who could knock them all over and get to the middle first with our .22's.
if possible, it would be advisable if you could find a spot to deposit your lead that was farther from water.
I've actually thought about that since I started hunting and learned about steel shot etc. Thats where my dad always took us to pew pew but I'm sure I can find a different spot away from the "Creek" :cheers:
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nice.
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Ben Ji's dad has not shot a gun in maybe 20 years but keeps buying them because Y2K/OBAMA/2012/YELLOWSTONE ERUPTION so we get to shoot those as well. Mainly your normal ass rifles but he did buy a surplus USSR Mosin-Nagat that is probably the coolest just because its different.
Mosin is a cool gun, the SKS is cool too if he gets his hands on one.
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why don't more companies get into the ammo game if it's so hard to find/expensive? i hear all of the time gun nuts swearing up a storm because ammo prices are too high.
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why don't more companies get into the ammo game if it's so hard to find/expensive? i hear all of the time gun nuts swearing up a storm because ammo prices are too high.
They are scared to ramp up production again and get a repeat of 2016 where the demand dropped off the face of the earth.
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Sounds like a potential anti-trust issue, if there's an actual or tacit agreement between the big manufacturers.
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yup, price fixing is illegal
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gE pew pew bullet company could be rolling in the moola
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Sounds like a potential anti-trust issue, if there's an actual or tacit agreement between the big manufacturers.
Get their asses
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why don't more companies get into the ammo game if it's so hard to find/expensive? i hear all of the time gun nuts swearing up a storm because ammo prices are too high.
They are scared to ramp up production again and get a repeat of 2016 where the demand dropped off the face of the earth.
Steel industry is doing this right now. They idled a big chunk of forges in March 2020. Rather than come back online, we're all getting a 15% price increase while they "complete scheduled maintenance." I guarantee we won't see a price reduction when furnaces come back online.
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More like 30% since October. That's been a fun realization for clients that shelved projects until after the election.
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Ya. Raw market is up 30%. I'm buying/selling flat sheets and mostly fabbed fittings. So I didn't get the 30% number.
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Sup #gunnuts, my father's cousin passed away recently who was a war historian/reenactor and had a bunch of working WWII guns both American and German. We of course put our name in the hat for the 'Merican guns. The two we inherited were M1A1 Carbine and an M1 Garand, they are very neat and nifty pieces of history.
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Sup #gunnuts, my father's cousin passed away recently who was a war historian/reenactor and had a bunch of working WWII guns both American and German. We of course put our name in the hat for the 'Merican guns. The two we inherited were M1A1 Carbine and an M1 Garand, they are very neat and nifty pieces of history.
M1 Garand would be amaze.
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Call of Duty WW2's are my favorite :love: I'm pretty deadly with both of those with a scope on them, but I prefer the German guns. :comehere:
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I have an antique Winchester. Like cowboy and Indian Winchester that my grandpa gave me.
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Sup #gunnuts, my father's cousin passed away recently who was a war historian/reenactor and had a bunch of working WWII guns both American and German. We of course put our name in the hat for the 'Merican guns. The two we inherited were M1A1 Carbine and an M1 Garand, they are very neat and nifty pieces of history.
M1 Garand would be amaze.
I own a shitload of guns but a WWII vintage M1 Garand is absolutely at the top of my wish list.
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We’re in the process of upgrading all nerf dart guns to nerf ball guns.
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I have an antique Winchester. Like cowboy and Indian Winchester that my grandpa gave me.
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If it's a pre 64 and in decent condition, that gun is probably worth a good amount of $$$
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SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED sd
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i don't understand people that shoot a lot. i'm pretty sure that i've only fired one bullet that didn't kill an animal (unfortunately does not also hold true of shells).
Have you shot any 22 hand guns?
22 pistols are a blast to shoot and cheap to feed. I have 2 Browning Buckmark MicroBulls (one for me, one for Mrs. Schreds) and it is one of my favorite guns to shoot.
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i don't understand people that shoot a lot. i'm pretty sure that i've only fired one bullet that didn't kill an animal (unfortunately does not also hold true of shells).
Have you shot any 22 hand guns?
22 pistols are a blast to shoot and cheap to feed. I have 2 Browning Buckmark MicroBulls (one for me, one for Mrs. Schreds) and it is one of my favorite guns to shoot.
But how will you defend yourself against tyrannical overlords?
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Bigger guns
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So I bought another gun, guys. :dunno:
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Pics or it didn't happen
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What's in between my legs
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So I bought another gun, guys. :dunno:
What did you get?
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Pics or it didn't happen
Stock image obviously, but this is it. I bought it lightly used.
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I'd like one of these:
https://www.browning.com/products/firearms/shotguns/citori-725/citori-725-feather.html
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y-l_a dad bought me a springfield armory xdm 3.8 40 cal. I really don't know what the hell that even means though.
he's obsessed with them and has like a zillion guns and ammo.
me I don't give a crap but enjoy shooting them
have since acquired without purchase a few more. think my favorite is my saiga 12. also acquired a neighbor up the road with his own outdoor range and he loves the crap out of cleaning them and repacking his own ammo. Hello Bert, I'm Ernie.
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I'd like one of these:
https://www.browning.com/products/firearms/shotguns/citori-725/citori-725-feather.html
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is that for your stabbin cabin? looks neat
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If so Pete that's smart to bring a gun to a knife fight
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I'd like one of these:
https://www.browning.com/products/firearms/shotguns/citori-725/citori-725-feather.html
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Fantastic sporting clays gun!
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I'd like one of these:
https://www.browning.com/products/firearms/shotguns/citori-725/citori-725-feather.html
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Fantastic sporting clays gun!
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I've never been able to find it.
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It is indeed for my stabbin cabin, and I make no apologies for it. I like to shoot sporting clays, but am new to it and not very good. Decent at trap, but those clays are trickier. I’m not a very big hunter but feel little remorse blasting birds, because they are descended from dinosaurs and I am anti-dinosaur. How I was raised.
I probably won’t get a new Citori. Will probably get a used “field” one so that it’s more useful regardless of circumstances.
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Pete you should get a rifle/shotgun combo.
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It is indeed for my stabbin cabin, and I make no apologies for it. I like to shoot sporting clays, but am new to it and not very good. Decent at trap, but those clays are trickier. I’m not a very big hunter but feel little remorse blasting birds, because they are descended from dinosaurs and I am anti-dinosaur. How I was raised.
I probably won’t get a new Citori. Will probably get a used “field” one so that it’s more useful regardless of circumstances.
Birds are also huge assholes, so this makes sense.