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Here is who I have for each position and who I don't see on the KStateSports.com roster. If I need to strike someone from the list, let me know.
QB (4):
Sam Lamur (SR)
Justin Tuggle (JR)
Collin Klein (JR)
Daniel Sams (FR)
RB (4):
Angelo Pease (JR)
Bryce Brown (SO)
John Hubert (SO)
DeMarcus Robinson (RS FR)
WR (7):
Sheldon Smith (SR)
Brodrick Smith (JR)
Chris Harper (JR)
Torell Miller (SO)
Tremaine Thompson (SO)
Curry Sexton (FR)
Tyler Lockett (FR)
TE (4):
Travis Tannahill (JR)
Andre McDonald (SO)
Zach Trujillo (RS FR)
Tyler Davidson (FR)
OL (17):
Clyde Aufner (SR)
Kaleb Drinkgern (SR)
Colten Freeze (SR)
Zach Hanson (SR)
Manese Foketi (SR)
Nick Puetz (JR)
Ethan Douglas (JR)
Jordan Allred (JR)
Shaun Simon (SO)
William Cooper (SO)
Cornelius Lucas (SO)
Keenan Taylor (SO)
Tomasi Mariner (RS FR)
BJ Finney (RS FR)
Kason Hostrup (FR)
Boston Stiverson (FR)
Cody Whitehair (FR)
DT (9):
Raphael Guidrey (SR)
Ray Kibble (SR)
Payton Kirk (SR)
Javonta Boyd (JR)
Bo Tillman (JR)
Darryl Blackmon (JR)
Vai Lutui (JR)
Lamonte Clark (FR)
Samuel Harvill (FR)
DE (7):
Adam Davis (JR)
Meshak Williams (JR)
Brandon Harold (JR)
Laton Dowling (RS FR)
Kyle Klein (FR)
Marquel Bryant (FR)
Ian Seau (FR)
LB (8):
Alex Hrebec (SR)
Emmanual Lamur (SR)
Arthur Brown (JR)
Blake Slaughter (JR)
Jarrell Childs (JR)
Tre Walker (SO)
Cody Marley (RS FR)
Tate Snyder (RS FR)
S (6):
David Garrett (SR)
Tysyn Hartman (SR)
Logan Dold (SR)
Tanner Burns (JR)
Ty Zimmerman (SO)
Joseph Bonugli (RS FR)
CB (6):
Matthew Pearson (SR)
Nigel Malone (JR)
Thomas Ferguson (JR)
Bubba Chapman (JR)
Kip Daily (JR)
Destin Mosley (FR)
K (2):
Anthony Cantele (JR)
Dillon Wilson (FR)
P (1):
Ryan Doerr (JR)
Total on scholarship: 76
Waiting On (8):
Glenn Gronkowski
Dante Barnett
Jade Cathey
Steven West
Hunter Davis
Mike Moore
Morgan Burns
Darious Thomas (Is he coming back or not?)
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The list looks pretty good to me...I'm placing an asterisk next to those where I think we assume there is a scholarship but can't be certain. I realize that Destin Mosley is listed as a receiver but he was playing corner in the spring and in the spring game...I think there is some weird non-communication between Snyder and the SID. All of the group listed below are greyshirts w/ the exception of Cathey who we believe is a JC placement...it was reported by someone that he was working out w/ the team this summer ala the other greyshirts. Whether that was true or not we don't know. I don't know the answer on Darious Thomas but I think it's weird that he's still taking classes at KSU the second semester of the summer (after taking classes at Navarro or Blinn last fall) if he's not going to be with us. It may be one of those situations like Snyder's had in the past...seems like Joe Hall was off the team for nearly a year before returning. Josh Moore was as well.
QB (4):
Sam Lamur (SR) *
Justin Tuggle (JR)
Collin Klein (JR)
Daniel Sams (FR)
RB (4):
Angelo Pease (JR)
Bryce Brown (SO)
John Hubert (SO)
DeMarcus Robinson (RS FR)
WR (8):
Sheldon Smith (SR)
Brodrick Smith (JR)
Chris Harper (JR)
Torell Miller (SO)
Tremaine Thompson (SO)
Curry Sexton (FR)
Destin Mosley (FR)
Tyler Lockett (FR)
TE (4):
Travis Tannahill (JR)
Andre McDonald (SO)
Zach Trujillo (RS FR)
Tyler Davidson (FR)
OL (17):
Clyde Aufner (SR)
Kaleb Drinkgern (SR)
Colten Freeze (SR)
Zach Hanson (SR)
Manese Foketi (SR)
Nick Puetz (JR) *
Ethan Douglas (JR)
Jordan Allred (JR)
Shaun Simon (SO)
William Cooper (SO)
Cornelius Lucas (SO)
Keenan Taylor (SO)
Tomasi Mariner (RS FR)
BJ Finney (RS FR) *
Kason Hostrup (FR)
Boston Stiverson (FR)
Cody Whitehair (FR)
DT (9):
Raphael Guidrey (SR)
Ray Kibble (SR)
Payton Kirk (SR)
Javonta Boyd (JR)
Bo Tillman (JR)
Darryl Blackmon (JR)
Vai Lutui (JR)
Lamonte Clark (FR)
Samuel Harvill (FR)
DE (7):
Adam Davis (JR)
Meshak Williams (JR)
Brandon Harold (JR)
Laton Dowling (RS FR)
Kyle Klein (FR)
Marquel Bryant (FR)
Ian Seau (FR)
LB (8):
Alex Hrebec (SR) *
Emmanual Lamur (SR)
Arthur Brown (JR)
Blake Slaughter (JR)
Jarrell Childs (JR)
Tre Walker (SO)
Cody Marley (RS FR)
Tate Snyder (RS FR)
S (6):
David Garrett (SR)
Tysyn Hartman (SR)
Logan Dold (SR)
Tanner Burns (JR)
Ty Zimmerman (SO)
Joseph Bonugli (RS FR)
CB (5):
Matthew Pearson (SR)
Nigel Malone (JR)
Thomas Ferguson (JR)
Bubba Chapman (JR)
Kip Daily (JR)
K (2):
Anthony Cantele (JR) *
Dillon Wilson (FR)
P (1):
Ryan Doerr (JR) *
Total on scholarship: 76
Waiting On (8):
Glenn Gronkowski
Dante Barnett
Jade Cathey
Steven West
Hunter Davis
Mike Moore
Morgan Burns
Darious Thomas (Is he coming back or not?)
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The list looks pretty good to me...I'm placing an asterisk next to those where I think we assume there is a scholarship but can't be certain. I realize that Destin Mosley is listed as a receiver but he was playing corner in the spring and in the spring game...I think there is some weird non-communication between Snyder and the SID. All of the group listed below are greyshirts w/ the exception of Cathey who we believe is a JC placement...it was reported by someone that he was working out w/ the team this summer ala the other greyshirts. Whether that was true or not we don't know. I don't know the answer on Darious Thomas but I think it's weird that he's still taking classes at KSU the second semester of the summer (after taking classes at Navarro or Blinn last fall) if he's not going to be with us. It may be one of those situations like Snyder's had in the past...seems like Joe Hall was off the team for nearly a year before returning. Josh Moore was as well.
Corrected Mosely. I remember seeing that, but I never updated my spreadsheet.
Hunter Davis, Morgan Burns, and Mike Moore are grayshirts? How did we convince Davis to grayshirt?
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Also surprised that Burns would greyshirt. Dude looks like he's in really good shape and he had other offers.
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I think I get it if this is the signing class. If this is really the 25, then you're probably right that Finney isn't on scholarship, and it explains why the rest grayshirted. From my count, we didn't have any countbacks from the previous class either.
Lamur, Hrebec, and Cantele most likely have scholarships because we're well under the limit and they won't count against the number since they're above Junior level. I thought Doerr always had a scholarship ever since coming from South Carolina?
No. Name Position Class Scholarship?
1 Blackmon, Darryl DT JR Yes
2 Chapman, Allen CB JR Yes
3 Daily, Kip CB JR Yes
4 Lutui, Vaikalafi DT JR Yes
5 Malone, Nigel CB JR Yes
6 Pease, Angelo ATH JR Yes
7 Tuggle, Justin QB JR Yes
8 Tillman, Bo DT JR Yes
9 Williams, Meshak DE JR Yes
10 Brown, Bryce RB SO Yes
11 Shaun Simon OL SO Yes
12 Bryant, Marquel DE FR Yes
13 Clark, Lamonte DT FR Yes
14 Davidson, Tyler TE FR Yes
15 Harvill, Samuel DT FR Yes
16 Hostrup, Kason OL FR Yes
17 Klein, Kyle DE FR Yes
18 Lockett, Tyler WR FR Yes
19 Mosely, Destin RB FR Yes
20 Sams, Daniel QB FR Yes
21 Seau, Ian DE FR Yes
22 Sexton, Curry WR FR Yes
23 Stiverson, Boston OL FR Yes
24 Whitehair, Cody OL FR Yes
25 Wilson, Dillon K FR Yes
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I think I get it if this is the signing class. If this is really the 25, then you're probably right that Finney isn't on scholarship, and it explains why the rest grayshirted. From my count, we didn't have any countbacks from the previous class either.
Lamur, Hrebec, and Cantele most likely have scholarships because we're well under the limit and they won't count against the number since they're above Junior level. I thought Doerr always had a scholarship ever since coming from South Carolina?
No. Name Position Class Scholarship?
1 Blackmon, Darryl DT JR Yes
2 Chapman, Allen CB JR Yes
3 Daily, Kip CB JR Yes
4 Lutui, Vaikalafi DT JR Yes
5 Malone, Nigel CB JR Yes
6 Pease, Angelo ATH JR Yes
7 Tuggle, Justin QB JR Yes
8 Tillman, Bo DT JR Yes
9 Williams, Meshak DE JR Yes
10 Brown, Bryce RB SO Yes
11 Shaun Simon OL SO Yes
12 Bryant, Marquel DE FR Yes
13 Clark, Lamonte DT FR Yes
14 Davidson, Tyler TE FR Yes
15 Harvill, Samuel DT FR Yes
16 Hostrup, Kason OL FR Yes
17 Klein, Kyle DE FR Yes
18 Lockett, Tyler WR FR Yes
19 Mosely, Destin RB FR Yes
20 Sams, Daniel QB FR Yes
21 Seau, Ian DE FR Yes
22 Sexton, Curry WR FR Yes
23 Stiverson, Boston OL FR Yes
24 Whitehair, Cody OL FR Yes
25 Wilson, Dillon K FR Yes
I said that we have "assumed" but I didn't say that was wrong. I think most, if not all, of those you listed are indeed on scholarship.
I don't recall the exact rule governing when a walk-on is put on scholarship it counts against the 25. My thought was that once you have been in the program for a year or taking courses for a year then it won't count against the 25. I believe Finney was at one of the catbacker functions and stated he just went on scholarship sometime this summer.
Davis and Moore both had BCS offers elsewhere but they switched way late. Those options were no longer available once they changed their mind after their coaches left. Davis actually contacted KSU...we told him we still wanted him but could only take him with a greyshirt and that it may change as players leave or don't make it or whatever. That isn't uncommon when kids wait. He seemed like a perfect fit for aTm's 3-4 scheme as an end because he can play a 3 or 5 technique at 280-290lbs and still be explosive off the ball...he's 270-plus right now. I kinda wish there was a way we could get him on the roster right now because I think he could help us this year. I wonder if they asked him to walk on this semester on his own dime and he would be on scholarship come january...I mean it wouldn't be that expensive since it's only a semester.
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How could you forget Braden Wilson.
I have the total count at 77.
The only differences, I don't have SLamur on scholarship and I added Darnell Howard to the list of DE with a scholarship.
Here is who I have for each position and who I don't see on the KStateSports.com roster. If I need to strike someone from the list, let me know.
QB (4):
Sam Lamur (SR)
Justin Tuggle (JR)
Collin Klein (JR)
Daniel Sams (FR)
RB (4):
Angelo Pease (JR)
Bryce Brown (SO)
John Hubert (SO)
DeMarcus Robinson (RS FR)
WR (7):
Sheldon Smith (SR)
Brodrick Smith (JR)
Chris Harper (JR)
Torell Miller (SO)
Tremaine Thompson (SO)
Curry Sexton (FR)
Tyler Lockett (FR)
TE (4):
Travis Tannahill (JR)
Andre McDonald (SO)
Zach Trujillo (RS FR)
Tyler Davidson (FR)
OL (17):
Clyde Aufner (SR)
Kaleb Drinkgern (SR)
Colten Freeze (SR)
Zach Hanson (SR)
Manese Foketi (SR)
Nick Puetz (JR)
Ethan Douglas (JR)
Jordan Allred (JR)
Shaun Simon (SO)
William Cooper (SO)
Cornelius Lucas (SO)
Keenan Taylor (SO)
Tomasi Mariner (RS FR)
BJ Finney (RS FR)
Kason Hostrup (FR)
Boston Stiverson (FR)
Cody Whitehair (FR)
DT (9):
Raphael Guidrey (SR)
Ray Kibble (SR)
Payton Kirk (SR)
Javonta Boyd (JR)
Bo Tillman (JR)
Darryl Blackmon (JR)
Vai Lutui (JR)
Lamonte Clark (FR)
Samuel Harvill (FR)
DE (7):
Adam Davis (JR)
Meshak Williams (JR)
Brandon Harold (JR)
Laton Dowling (RS FR)
Kyle Klein (FR)
Marquel Bryant (FR)
Ian Seau (FR)
LB (8):
Alex Hrebec (SR)
Emmanual Lamur (SR)
Arthur Brown (JR)
Blake Slaughter (JR)
Jarrell Childs (JR)
Tre Walker (SO)
Cody Marley (RS FR)
Tate Snyder (RS FR)
S (6):
David Garrett (SR)
Tysyn Hartman (SR)
Logan Dold (SR)
Tanner Burns (JR)
Ty Zimmerman (SO)
Joseph Bonugli (RS FR)
CB (6):
Matthew Pearson (SR)
Nigel Malone (JR)
Thomas Ferguson (JR)
Bubba Chapman (JR)
Kip Daily (JR)
Destin Mosley (FR)
K (2):
Anthony Cantele (JR)
Dillon Wilson (FR)
P (1):
Ryan Doerr (JR)
Total on scholarship: 76
Waiting On (8):
Glenn Gronkowski
Dante Barnett
Jade Cathey
Steven West
Hunter Davis
Mike Moore
Morgan Burns
Darious Thomas (Is he coming back or not?)
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:zzz:
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I think we have the capacity, perhaps, to become a deeper football team. By that I mean just more young guys that can create a quality two deep for us. We're not there yet by any stretch of the imagination. We're still struggling with scholarship count. We're at 69 right now. And you just can't go out and get an additional 15, 16 guys just because of the rules and limitations on 25 scholarship limit.
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http://www.kstatesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/072611aaa.html
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OB also said that he was still waiting on a few guys to be there Aug. 3rd.
Is Kellis right?
•Bo Tillman and Vai Lutui have joined the team as walk-ons. Both are defensive linemen who transferred from junior colleges.
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serious question for the football heads on the board- does this roster suck like last years? can i expect anything more than what last year's team gave me?
ya i know last year's team took us pinstriping but i'm more interested in eating at Ruth's Chris steakhouse rather than Sirloin Stockade.
go ksu for america's red white and blue. thanks.
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I'm excited for football season fellas
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Anxious to see if our players fit Cosh's 4-3 better than his 4-2-5.
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serious question for the football heads on the board- does this roster suck like last years? can i expect anything more than what last year's team gave me?
ya i know last year's team took us pinstriping but i'm more interested in eating at Ruth's Chris steakhouse rather than Sirloin Stockade.
go ksu for america's red white and blue. thanks.
I don't think it's a good roster. I think it's a decent to solid roster with a lack of depth on the defensive side and serious question marks in the defensive backfield.
If you want more than seven wins, I don't think this group will give it to you.
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And I should clarify that I think seven wins is the ceiling. I think six and a bowl game are pretty realistic.
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I don't think it's a good roster. I think it's a decent to solid roster...If you want more than seven wins, I don't think this group will give it to you.
I think that is a pretty fair, if not accurate, statement.
with a lack of depth on the defensive side and serious question marks in the defensive backfield.
that depends on your own definition of depth. The depth appears to be much better than last year on the defensive side of the ball primarily because we simply didn't have anybody else on the roster to throw in there at corner or DL...perhaps LB last year. There will be a lot more positions, at least defensively, this year where the 2s are as good or as talented as the 1s. Even some of Snyder's great teams didn't have what one would characterize as great depth.
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thanks guys.
is the overall strength of the roster getting better since LHC Bill Snyder has come back? i would say that it took LHC Bill Snyder about 5-6 years to have a roster of studs (years 1995, or 1996) that later produced the 97-99 teams.
is it simply impossible due to the b12 partial qualifier/JUCO talent rules in place?
not enough DITRs?
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thanks guys.
is the overall strength of the roster getting better since LHC Bill Snyder has come back? i would say that it took LHC Bill Snyder about 5-6 years to have a roster of studs (years 1995, or 1996) that later produced the 97-99 teams.
is it simply impossible due to the b12 partial qualifier/JUCO talent rules in place?
not enough DITRs?
Too many other teams taking our JUCOs.
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maybe someone knowledgeable could asterisk all of the possible ditrs on the master roster list.
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is the overall strength of the roster getting better since LHC Bill Snyder has come back? i would say that it took LHC Bill Snyder about 5-6 years to have a roster of studs (years 1995, or 1996) that later produced the 97-99 teams.
Two things stand out to me. One, the current recruiting strategy is more sustainable since we're recruiting more underclassmen. Recruiting a large number of JUCO players is not a sustainable practice. We're going to JUCO for need; we're not going there as a primary source for talent. That is a good thing that's creating a much more balanced roster. Two, Snyder has changed his practice of going after really great players and whiffing and going after solid/good players and securing some. If that practice was followed for several years, it would give us a good roster.
Snyder won't have a roster full of studs like he did before, but if he stuck around for three or four more years, he'd probably have one that could be dangerous year in and year out.
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that's all i want. a dangerous roster.
i was taking a piss yesterday and thought i wanted snyder gone. but if you're telling me that in a few years we'll have a dangerous roster then i'm good to go. i don't have a problem with his coaching, i just think our players have sucked that past few years.
cosh sucks though, little doubt about that.
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And I should clarify that I think seven wins is the ceiling. I think six and a bowl game are pretty realistic.
I think if we're talking absolute ceiling 8-4 would be that. We would have to have a shitload of breaks and have our opponents squawk up the place pretty bad but stranger things have happend. I agree 6 wins is about what I'm looking at right now, dunno if this makes me :powerespect: but a 7-5 season sounds pretty decent at the present time if we could pull that off :dunno:
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thanks guys.
is the overall strength of the roster getting better since LHC Bill Snyder has come back? i would say that it took LHC Bill Snyder about 5-6 years to have a roster of studs (years 1995, or 1996) that later produced the 97-99 teams.
is it simply impossible due to the b12 partial qualifier/JUCO talent rules in place?
not enough DITRs?
Too many other teams taking our JUCOs.
Also, MU owning us in KC
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that's all i want. a dangerous roster.
i was taking a piss yesterday and thought i wanted snyder gone. but if you're telling me that in a few years we'll have a dangerous roster then i'm good to go. i don't have a problem with his coaching, i just think our players have sucked that past few years.
cosh sucks though, little doubt about that.
2012 should be really good. I think we could be 9 or 10 wins type good. The most will lose is about 4 starters on defense and should have everyone returning on offense but the two OTs. I think this 2011 team will be very competitive and push for pontentially 8 wins. I definitely see us beating Baylor, Mizzou, Iowa State, and Kansas this year. Texas Tech is a very winnable road game for us this year unless you still think Leach is coaching there and didn't listen to Tuberville's semi-depressed outlook on his team this year. We may steal one from aTm or OU at home though both are less likely than the previous ones mentioned.
Look at 2012...Mizzou will return 4 starters on offense and will lose some long time contributors defensively (3 on the DL, alone).
Oklahoma State will lose their QB, stud WR, stud LT (4 OL total) and we'll have them at home. Gundy's never produced great defenses
Texas A&M will lose their QB and stud receiver plus a ton of people defensively.
Baylor will likely lose Gordon to an early entry to the draft and Kendall Wright would be gone. It's possible RG3 will be gone to the draft also.
None of those 4 teams will look nearly as formidable going into next season as they appear right now heading into 2011.
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Who on this roster will sign NFL contracts?
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Brown bros. Brod?
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Who on this roster will sign NFL contracts?
hard to say at this point. The ones I'm fairly certain will at this time are Foketi, A. Brown, B. Brown, Braden Wilson, Doerr, and Zimmerman.
Guys I think will have a shot but have yet to see enough from or need more development physically are Harper, Lucas, and Walker
there are some younger players who might possess the physical attributes to one day get there like Clark, Whitehair, Sams (as a receiver), maybe Seau as an 3-4 OLB.
I'm not sure what to think of Meshak Williams, Blackmon, or Tillman at this point but they sure have bodies on them that could be developed. You never know with some of these guys but the JCs need to start producing great stuff, pronto, if they expect to be considered.
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that's all i want. a dangerous roster.
i was taking a piss yesterday and thought i wanted snyder gone. but if you're telling me that in a few years we'll have a dangerous roster then i'm good to go. i don't have a problem with his coaching, i just think our players have sucked that past few years.
cosh sucks though, little doubt about that.
2012 should be really good. I think we could be 9 or 10 wins type good. The most will lose is about 4 starters on defense and should have everyone returning on offense but the two OTs. I think this 2011 team will be very competitive and push for pontentially 8 wins. I definitely see us beating Baylor, Mizzou, Iowa State, and Kansas this year. Texas Tech is a very winnable road game for us this year unless you still think Leach is coaching there and didn't listen to Tuberville's semi-depressed outlook on his team this year. We may steal one from aTm or OU at home though both are less likely than the previous ones mentioned.
Look at 2012...Mizzou will return 4 starters on offense and will lose some long time contributors defensively (3 on the DL, alone).
Oklahoma State will lose their QB, stud WR, stud LT (4 OL total) and we'll have them at home. Gundy's never produced great defenses
Texas A&M will lose their QB and stud receiver plus a ton of people defensively.
Baylor will likely lose Gordon to an early entry to the draft and Kendall Wright would be gone. It's possible RG3 will be gone to the draft also.
None of those 4 teams will look nearly as formidable going into next season as they appear right now heading into 2011.
Thanks The Manhatter. I feel a lot better. I'm glad to hear we're getting better and not just holding on.
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that's all i want. a dangerous roster.
i was taking a piss yesterday and thought i wanted snyder gone. but if you're telling me that in a few years we'll have a dangerous roster then i'm good to go. i don't have a problem with his coaching, i just think our players have sucked that past few years.
cosh sucks though, little doubt about that.
2012 should be really good. I think we could be 9 or 10 wins type good. The most will lose is about 4 starters on defense and should have everyone returning on offense but the two OTs. I think this 2011 team will be very competitive and push for pontentially 8 wins. I definitely see us beating Baylor, Mizzou, Iowa State, and Kansas this year. Texas Tech is a very winnable road game for us this year unless you still think Leach is coaching there and didn't listen to Tuberville's semi-depressed outlook on his team this year. We may steal one from aTm or OU at home though both are less likely than the previous ones mentioned.
Look at 2012...Mizzou will return 4 starters on offense and will lose some long time contributors defensively (3 on the DL, alone).
Oklahoma State will lose their QB, stud WR, stud LT (4 OL total) and we'll have them at home. Gundy's never produced great defenses
Texas A&M will lose their QB and stud receiver plus a ton of people defensively.
Baylor will likely lose Gordon to an early entry to the draft and Kendall Wright would be gone. It's possible RG3 will be gone to the draft also.
None of those 4 teams will look nearly as formidable going into next season as they appear right now heading into 2011.
Let's focus on the oline & safety, shall we?
2011 will lose alot of bodies. We have time to replace CB and RB, but OL and safety are a need.
If we are going to be successful, we need some solid OL and safety commits. I'm still butt hurt about Trent Tuner (not that it would change anything).
I like the DL focas as of late.
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that's all i want. a dangerous roster.
i was taking a piss yesterday and thought i wanted snyder gone. but if you're telling me that in a few years we'll have a dangerous roster then i'm good to go. i don't have a problem with his coaching, i just think our players have sucked that past few years.
cosh sucks though, little doubt about that.
2012 should be really good. I think we could be 9 or 10 wins type good. The most will lose is about 4 starters on defense and should have everyone returning on offense but the two OTs. I think this 2011 team will be very competitive and push for pontentially 8 wins. I definitely see us beating Baylor, Mizzou, Iowa State, and Kansas this year. Texas Tech is a very winnable road game for us this year unless you still think Leach is coaching there and didn't listen to Tuberville's semi-depressed outlook on his team this year. We may steal one from aTm or OU at home though both are less likely than the previous ones mentioned.
Look at 2012...Mizzou will return 4 starters on offense and will lose some long time contributors defensively (3 on the DL, alone).
Oklahoma State will lose their QB, stud WR, stud LT (4 OL total) and we'll have them at home. Gundy's never produced great defenses
Texas A&M will lose their QB and stud receiver plus a ton of people defensively.
Baylor will likely lose Gordon to an early entry to the draft and Kendall Wright would be gone. It's possible RG3 will be gone to the draft also.
None of those 4 teams will look nearly as formidable going into next season as they appear right now heading into 2011.
Let's focus on the oline & safety, shall we?
2011 will lose alot of bodies. We have time to replace CB and RB, but OL and safety are a need.
If we are going to be successful, we need some solid OL and safety commits. I'm still butt hurt about Trent Tuner (not that it would change anything).
I like the DL focas as of late.
As far as safety is concerned we have two greyshirts so they will be here next spring and will likely pick up another one this class. I like Bonugli for strong safety and Ferguson is back another year. Zimmerman will have two years left after this one.
OL...you can be resourceful. I could see McDonald finally maturing and getting that he could be a first day pick as a tackle and will be merely an afterthought as a TE. If he wants to stay at TE the only thing he'll go pro in is wrestling. Tyler Davidson will likely move to tackle...these big TE prospects who are not necessarily gifted as receiving TEs or don't possess quite that talent turn into good OTs many times. Seems like it happens all of the time. If those two shift over we have 15 OL for next spring. Remember that Lucas is a really nice talent there and Douglas and Hostrup are two more bodies. I could see us adding a JC. Sure, it's a need but we're sitting pretty well for OL right now.
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that's all i want. a dangerous roster.
i was taking a piss yesterday and thought i wanted snyder gone. but if you're telling me that in a few years we'll have a dangerous roster then i'm good to go. i don't have a problem with his coaching, i just think our players have sucked that past few years.
cosh sucks though, little doubt about that.
2012 should be really good. I think we could be 9 or 10 wins type good. The most will lose is about 4 starters on defense and should have everyone returning on offense but the two OTs. I think this 2011 team will be very competitive and push for pontentially 8 wins. I definitely see us beating Baylor, Mizzou, Iowa State, and Kansas this year. Texas Tech is a very winnable road game for us this year unless you still think Leach is coaching there and didn't listen to Tuberville's semi-depressed outlook on his team this year. We may steal one from aTm or OU at home though both are less likely than the previous ones mentioned.
Look at 2012...Mizzou will return 4 starters on offense and will lose some long time contributors defensively (3 on the DL, alone).
Oklahoma State will lose their QB, stud WR, stud LT (4 OL total) and we'll have them at home. Gundy's never produced great defenses
Texas A&M will lose their QB and stud receiver plus a ton of people defensively.
Baylor will likely lose Gordon to an early entry to the draft and Kendall Wright would be gone. It's possible RG3 will be gone to the draft also.
None of those 4 teams will look nearly as formidable going into next season as they appear right now heading into 2011.
Let's focus on the oline & safety, shall we?
2011 will lose alot of bodies. We have time to replace CB and RB, but OL and safety are a need.
If we are going to be successful, we need some solid OL and safety commits. I'm still butt hurt about Trent Tuner (not that it would change anything).
I like the DL focas as of late.
As far as safety is concerned we have two greyshirts so they will be here next spring and will likely pick up another one this class. I like Bonugli for strong safety and Ferguson is back another year. Zimmerman will have two years left after this one.
OL...you can be resourceful. I could see McDonald finally maturing and getting that he could be a first day pick as a tackle and will be merely an afterthought as a TE. If he wants to stay at TE the only thing he'll go pro in is wrestling. Tyler Davidson will likely move to tackle...these big TE prospects who are not necessarily gifted as receiving TEs or don't possess quite that talent turn into good OTs many times. Seems like it happens all of the time. If those two shift over we have 15 OL for next spring. Remember that Lucas is a really nice talent there and Douglas and Hostrup are two more bodies. I could see us adding a JC. Sure, it's a need but we're sitting pretty well for OL right now.
2001
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Who on this roster will sign NFL contracts?
hard to say at this point. The ones I'm fairly certain will at this time are Foketi, A. Brown, B. Brown, Braden Wilson, Doerr, and Zimmerman.
Braden Wilson? Manhatter, you dumbass.
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Wilson will sign a contract. It'll probably be a free agent contract but the dude will be one of the top 4 or 5 FBs his senior yr.
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:facepalm: wgaf
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:ck:
What did Tubbs say?
Does Pinky know how to tie a tie?
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:ck:
What did Tubbs say?
Does Pinky know how to tie a tie?
Thoughts:
Need at least 3 of the SO OL to get significant reps this year
Roster looks better from a physical and speed aspect. Only time will tell if the newcomers improve depth.
If the D finishes in the top 25 statistically or even top 50, should I still hate on Cosh?
6 wins is major disappointment. Only way it is not is that every position improves but the trigger man can't make plays, Ala Jason Smargiasso in 1992. I expect to have a shot at 9 and would be satisfied with 8 and a decent bowl.
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Who on this roster will sign NFL contracts?
hard to say at this point. The ones I'm fairly certain will at this time are Foketi, A. Brown, B. Brown, Braden Wilson, Doerr, and Zimmerman.
Braden Wilson? Manhatter, you dumbass.
Kiper has him rated #2 fullback for his draft class at the moment...nfldraftscout has him 3rd. they get tipped by nfl scouting personnel. he's 6'3 255 and is just under 4.7...workhorse with good hands. h-back type.
yeah, i'm a dumbass.
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Who on this roster will sign NFL contracts?
hard to say at this point. The ones I'm fairly certain will at this time are Foketi, A. Brown, B. Brown, Braden Wilson, Doerr, and Zimmerman.
Braden Wilson? Manhatter, you dumbass.
Kiper has him rated #2 fullback for his draft class at the moment...nfldraftscout has him 3rd. they get tipped by nfl scouting personnel. he's 6'3 255 and is just under 4.7...workhorse with good hands. h-back type.
yeah, i'm a dumbass.
Wilson will be in a camp somewhere. If he's not drafted, I'm sure he'll secure a free agent contract pretty quickly.
A lot of people don't understand that the NFL still runs a pro style offense with a lot of formations that still require a fullback. Now that college teams are moving more towards the spread offenses, it puts fullbacks in higher demand.
I bet he's a late round pick (5-7) and sticks on a roster long enough to secure retirement benefits provided he stays healthy to get that service time in. He is the prototype of what the NFL wants in a fullback nowadays.
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:facepalm: wgaf
I know. I just like keeping up with this stuff. I always liked doing it and probably will continue to do it for a long time.
It's the geek in me. :dunno:
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Concerns in order:
quality of DT
no depth anywhere on the DL
Lamur at OLB
Cosh (does this count as "roster"?)
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Cosh (does this count as "roster"?)
The roster of coaches. :dunno:
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Who on this roster will sign NFL contracts?
hard to say at this point. The ones I'm fairly certain will at this time are Foketi, A. Brown, B. Brown, Braden Wilson, Doerr, and Zimmerman.
Braden Wilson? Manhatter, you dumbass.
Kiper has him rated #2 fullback for his draft class at the moment...nfldraftscout has him 3rd. they get tipped by nfl scouting personnel. he's 6'3 255 and is just under 4.7...workhorse with good hands. h-back type.
yeah, i'm a dumbass.
Wilson will be in a camp somewhere. If he's not drafted, I'm sure he'll secure a free agent contract pretty quickly.
A lot of people don't understand that the NFL still runs a pro style offense with a lot of formations that still require a fullback. Now that college teams are moving more towards the spread offenses, it puts fullbacks in higher demand.
I bet he's a late round pick (5-7) and sticks on a roster long enough to secure retirement benefits provided he stays healthy to get that service time in. He is the prototype of what the NFL wants in a fullback nowadays.
well put. If Snyder throws him the ball more it will improve his stock. All the NFL wants out of these guys any more is the ability to block and catch passes. All that fullback for the Texans does is crack heads. BW will need to get up in the 265 range but that is doable.
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So it looks like Kellis is (once again) a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) as Tillman hasn't joined the team yet. Snyds says it is still likely that he sill though. Also, the dude signed an LOI so I don't see how he could be a walkon.
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All of the group listed below are greyshirts w/ the exception of Cathey who we believe is a JC placement...it was reported by someone that he was working out w/ the team this summer ala the other greyshirts. Whether that was true or not we don't know.
Jade Cathey is gonzo. Playing basketball at Seward.
http://www.kscbnews.net/news/?nk=6160 (http://www.kscbnews.net/news/?nk=6160)
Cathey originally signed to play football at Kansas State. The Wildcats were going to grayshirt him this season meaning he wouldn't have played for the Wildcats but would not have lost a year of eligibility. Cathey is Liberal's all time and single season leading receiver going for 45 grabs and 691 yards and nine touchdowns last season after 46 grabs for 770 yards as a junior. But Cathey's first love is basketball. The 6'5" Cathey averaged 17 points and nine rebounds a game for the Redskins after averaging 17 points and six boards a game his junior season and 12 points and five boards a game his sophomore year. He'll join a freshman oriented Seward team under Bryan Zollinger which has won the Jayhawk West two of the past four years.
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Harold isn't listed on the most current roster.
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Harold isn't listed on the most current roster.
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