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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: KITNfury on January 13, 2011, 05:48:42 AM
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Feels real close. Like maybe-it-has-already-happened close.
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Until we give them back their Dillards discount, I can't see them putting in much effort.
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It seems like it. The one thing I grew to expect from Frank Martin teams is effort and intensity. And the trend is when the going gets tough, this team slacks for a significant stretch in those two areas. They let bad offense lead to bad defense. Frustrating to watch, and its pretty clear Frank doesn't know which buttons to push to fix it right now.
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This team is the 2004 kansas state wildcat football team.
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This team is the 2004 kansas state wildcat football team.
The process will be complete when someone says "we tried to run an inbounds play we had never practiced" after a late game turnover to lose at home to Iowa State.
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This team mailed it in when they saw they were ranked #3 in the preseason polls.
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It seems like it. The one thing I grew to expect from Frank Martin teams is effort and intensity. And the trend is when the going gets tough, this team slacks for a significant stretch in those two areas. They let bad offense lead to bad defense. Frustrating to watch, and its pretty clear Frank doesn't know which buttons to push to fix it right now.
he might try not pushing buttons. like, quit trying to prove points during a game and just win a f'ing game.
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It seems like it. The one thing I grew to expect from Frank Martin teams is effort and intensity. And the trend is when the going gets tough, this team slacks for a significant stretch in those two areas. They let bad offense lead to bad defense. Frustrating to watch, and its pretty clear Frank doesn't know which buttons to push to fix it right now.
he might try not pushing buttons. like, quit trying to prove points during a game and just win a f'ing game.
This is IMO the truth of the matter. There is no reason for JHR to EVER see the floor. He is an embarrasment to the game of basketball.
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It seems like it. The one thing I grew to expect from Frank Martin teams is effort and intensity. And the trend is when the going gets tough, this team slacks for a significant stretch in those two areas. They let bad offense lead to bad defense. Frustrating to watch, and its pretty clear Frank doesn't know which buttons to push to fix it right now.
he might try not pushing buttons. like, quit trying to prove points during a game and just win a f'ing game.
This is IMO the truth of the matter. There is no reason for JHR to EVER see the floor. He is an embarrasment to the game of basketball.
Not sure how you can say that. He played 10 minutes and scored 0 points and had 0 rebounds...and he's 7 feet tall.
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The fear was we were last year's Texas. We're last year's Oklahoma.
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The fear was we were last year's Texas. We're last year's Oklahoma.
Good call. Ouch, but good call.
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The fear was we were last year's Texas. We're last year's Oklahoma.
We don't have that much talent.
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It seems like it. The one thing I grew to expect from Frank Martin teams is effort and intensity. And the trend is when the going gets tough, this team slacks for a significant stretch in those two areas. They let bad offense lead to bad defense. Frustrating to watch, and its pretty clear Frank doesn't know which buttons to push to fix it right now.
he might try not pushing buttons. like, quit trying to prove points during a game and just win a f'ing game.
Well then he would be failing these young men. He has to get them ready for life.
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Well then he would be failing these young men. He has to get them ready for life.
I still love Frank. Can't help it.
“I am not in the business of blaming people. I do not blame people; I do not criticize people for a living. I try and help people for a living. I teach people for a living. My thought process as a mathematics teacher where your focus is always on solving problems, that is what I do. It is my job to figure this one out. It is not their job. They do not know any better; they are kids. How are they supposed to know any better? It is my job to get them through this and we are going to go after it and fix it.”
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winning helps kids doesn't it?
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Well then he would be failing these young men. He has to get them ready for life.
I still love Frank. Can't help it.
“I am not in the business of blaming people. I do not blame people; I do not criticize people for a living. I try and help people for a living. I teach people for a living. My thought process as a mathematics teacher where your focus is always on solving problems, that is what I do. It is my job to figure this one out. It is not their job. They do not know any better; they are kids. How are they supposed to know any better? It is my job to get them through this and we are going to go after it and fix it.”
that quote makes me hate him (even more). what complete bs.
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Well then he would be failing these young men. He has to get them ready for life.
I still love Frank. Can't help it.
“I am not in the business of blaming people. I do not blame people; I do not criticize people for a living. I try and help people for a living. I teach people for a living. My thought process as a mathematics teacher where your focus is always on solving problems, that is what I do. It is my job to figure this one out. It is not their job. They do not know any better; they are kids. How are they supposed to know any better? It is my job to get them through this and we are going to go after it and fix it.”
that quote makes me hate him (even more). what complete bs.
Frank has been consistent with that point his whole tenure at K-State. I knew people would hate it when we didn't have success though.
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Well then he would be failing these young men. He has to get them ready for life.
I still love Frank. Can't help it.
“I am not in the business of blaming people. I do not blame people; I do not criticize people for a living. I try and help people for a living. I teach people for a living. My thought process as a mathematics teacher where your focus is always on solving problems, that is what I do. It is my job to figure this one out. It is not their job. They do not know any better; they are kids. How are they supposed to know any better? It is my job to get them through this and we are going to go after it and fix it.”
that quote makes me hate him (even more). what complete bs.
Frank has been consistent with that point his whole tenure at K-State. I knew people would hate it when we didn't have success though.
it's not the "I'm a math teacher" thing, it's that he doesn't know how to fix it. Or rather, he's only shown the he knows one way to fix it.
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remember when Whitlock said that Wooly was a good coach, but didn't get mean enough to command the team to win?
Frank is mean enough, and we are now back to Wooly quality for now.
Whitlock thought it was Wooly. Turns out it was KState.
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it's not the "I'm a math teacher" thing, it's that he doesn't know how to fix it. Or rather, he's only shown the he knows one way to fix it.
True, its frustrating he hasn't figured out this team yet. I get the complaints about talent, but we should still be better than what we've shown; there really is no excuse for completely falling apart for long stretches like we have in 3 games now. But the staff has clearly not been able to figure out leadership, line-ups, etc. to avoid those stretches. To do it 3 times and now twice in a row is a big concern.
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it's not the "I'm a math teacher" thing, it's that he doesn't know how to fix it. Or rather, he's only shown the he knows one way to fix it.
True, its frustrating he hasn't figured out this team yet. I get the complaints about talent, but we should still be better than what we've shown; there really is no excuse for completely falling apart for long stretches like we have in 3 games now. But the staff has clearly not been able to figure out leadership, line-ups, etc. to avoid those stretches. To do it 3 times and now twice in a row is a big concern.
How hard is it to "figure out" that you don't throw a lineup out there consisting of Myles, Southwell, Spradling (?), JHR, and Asprilla, in the first 6 minutes of a game in which you're up 14-4 and have all the momentum in the building locked down?
There is no excuse for that. None.
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I think this team needs to get back to fundamentals. Passing to be specific, the passing angles were terrible from the little bit I watched last night. passing from the top of the key to the wing and throwing it away instead of taking a couple of dribbles to make a better angle. Or trying to wrap around a pass into the post where you can't even see who you are passing to. Also trying to pass to the post from the top of the key, hard to do and is a bad angle. Don't remember this from last night but has be done many times before. Just my rant and no that is not the only problem but it is a big one, and maybe some dribbling drills so we stop dribbling off of our feet out of bounds or getting the ball stripped in traffic.
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it's not the "I'm a math teacher" thing, it's that he doesn't know how to fix it. Or rather, he's only shown the he knows one way to fix it.
True, its frustrating he hasn't figured out this team yet. I get the complaints about talent, but we should still be better than what we've shown; there really is no excuse for completely falling apart for long stretches like we have in 3 games now. But the staff has clearly not been able to figure out leadership, line-ups, etc. to avoid those stretches. To do it 3 times and now twice in a row is a big concern.
How hard is it to "figure out" that you don't throw a lineup out there consisting of Myles, Southwell, Spradling (?), JHR, and Asprilla, in the first 6 minutes of a game in which you're up 14-4 and have all the momentum in the building locked down?
There is no excuse for that. None.
yeah, sorry you're pissed at russel, martavious, and samuels for whatever reason.
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it's not the "I'm a math teacher" thing, it's that he doesn't know how to fix it. Or rather, he's only shown the he knows one way to fix it.
True, its frustrating he hasn't figured out this team yet. I get the complaints about talent, but we should still be better than what we've shown; there really is no excuse for completely falling apart for long stretches like we have in 3 games now. But the staff has clearly not been able to figure out leadership, line-ups, etc. to avoid those stretches. To do it 3 times and now twice in a row is a big concern.
How hard is it to "figure out" that you don't throw a lineup out there consisting of Myles, Southwell, Spradling (?), JHR, and Asprilla, in the first 6 minutes of a game in which you're up 14-4 and have all the momentum in the building locked down?
There is no excuse for that. None.
this is what I was talking about with "frank only knows one way to fix it". It's was/is absurd.
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It seems like he doesn't get mad at the most obvious bball no-no's (JHR face guarding a big on the perimeter, only to have him get blown by), but he pulls guys after trying to make a play. That's the frustrating part.
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It seems like he doesn't get mad at the most obvious bball no-no's (JHR face guarding a big on the perimeter, only to have him get blown by), but he pulls guys after trying to make a play. That's the frustrating part.
He yells at him to "keep your hands off" after JHR does this. Counts for something?
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It seems like he doesn't get mad at the most obvious bball no-no's (JHR face guarding a big on the perimeter, only to have him get blown by), but he pulls guys after trying to make a play. That's the frustrating part.
This. A million rough ridin' times this.
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I feel like Jamar only plays when he wants to. Which is prob 1/4th of the time.
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I feel like Jamar only plays when he wants to. Which is prob 1/4th of the time.
He only plays well when he feels well. He can't emotionally rebound fast enough. He plays 95% out of pure emotion.
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I feel like Jamar only plays when he wants to. Which is prob 1/4th of the time.
I had to chuckle when he chucked up that FT-line jumper in the 2nd half last night that looked like it could have broken the glass. It was like he turned around and figured he had to shoot because he was wide open, but clearly didn't give a eff about the shot or the game in general.
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you know what i hate? i hate when i'm feeling all meltdowny because kstate has played poorly, and then i open some threads all ready to complain about kstate playing poorly and i have to read a bunch of dumbass posts with Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) posters complaining about crap that never happened, or completely misunderstanding crap that did happen.
i hate that, because when it happens i don't know whether to stick with my original plan of meltingdown about kstate playing poorly, or if i should switch to making fun of Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) posters. i enjoy making fun of retards, don't get me wrong. but during apple harvesting season, you eat apple pie.
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you know what i hate? i hate when i'm feeling all meltdowny because kstate has played poorly, and then i open some threads all ready to complain about kstate playing poorly and i have to read a bunch of dumbass posts with Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) posters complaining about crap that never happened, or completely misunderstanding crap that did happen.
i hate that, because when it happens i don't know whether to stick with my original plan of meltingdown about kstate playing poorly, or if i should switch to making fun of Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) posters. i enjoy making fun of retards, don't get me wrong. but during apple harvesting season, you eat apple pie.
Why can't you do both?
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Why can't you do both?
don't have the energy. we aren't getting any younger, you and me, cns casey.
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It seems like it. The one thing I grew to expect from Frank Martin teams is effort and intensity. And the trend is when the going gets tough, this team slacks for a significant stretch in those two areas. They let bad offense lead to bad defense. Frustrating to watch, and its pretty clear Frank doesn't know which buttons to push to fix it right now.
he might try not pushing buttons. like, quit trying to prove points during a game and just win a f'ing game.
it's hard because he needs to do it, but you can tell there are just too many points to make. he can't leave people in there flailing about like idiots on one hand, but on the other hand his subs go in and immediately do something else he needs to make a point about.
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Why can't you do both?
don't have the energy. we aren't getting any younger, you and me, cns casey.
Tell me about it. Hit the big 32 today.
Anyway, you should try it after the Mizz game. Who knows, pinning down retards may prove to be invigorating after you are able to get your meltdown out. :dunno:
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you know what i hate? i hate when i'm feeling all meltdowny because kstate has played poorly, and then i open some threads all ready to complain about kstate playing poorly and i have to read a bunch of dumbass posts with Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) posters complaining about crap that never happened, or completely misunderstanding crap that did happen.
i hate that, because when it happens i don't know whether to stick with my original plan of meltingdown about kstate playing poorly, or if i should switch to making fun of Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) posters. i enjoy making fun of retards, don't get me wrong. but during apple harvesting season, you eat apple pie.
you have to admit that lineup at the end of the half was pretty bad (although Myles made some nice plays before he was joined by Southwell). I mean, I have no problem with all of those guys playing. I just prefer it not happen all at once.
Still, no real excuse for the second half. But still.
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you know what i hate? i hate when i'm feeling all meltdowny because kstate has played poorly, and then i open some threads all ready to complain about kstate playing poorly and i have to read a bunch of dumbass posts with Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) posters complaining about crap that never happened, or completely misunderstanding crap that did happen.
i hate that, because when it happens i don't know whether to stick with my original plan of meltingdown about kstate playing poorly, or if i should switch to making fun of Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) posters. i enjoy making fun of retards, don't get me wrong. but during apple harvesting season, you eat apple pie.
I have no problem with all of those guys playing. I just prefer it not happen all at once.
This is what pisses me off. How hard is it to rotate one or two of our sucky players into a line-up with at least 3 good to decent players? There's no reason to have our worst 5 on the court all at the same time.
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you have to admit that lineup at the end of the half was pretty bad (although Myles made some nice plays before he was joined by Southwell). I mean, I have no problem with all of those guys playing. I just prefer it not happen all at once.
Still, no real excuse for the second half. But still.
when you only have three active players that are clearly better than other players on the roster and two of them have two fouls with a couple minutes to go in the first i kinda expect to see an odd collection of players on the floor. it's also Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) to harp on it. those two minutes didn't give up the other 10ish point runs, or prevent the bigs from rebounding, etc.
two minutes out of 40 minute, 6 pts (maybe 6, dunno, 'cause the whole tp is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)) out of 70something. gmafb.
also, your no bcs offers since judge/mcgruder tp in completely factually inaccurate. would have called you on it earlier, but there were a lot of distractions with the loss and the retards and everything.
i'm really mad about having to change my sig quote too. the meek one was great.
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I had a dream last night that CK came back and was skyhooking like 38 shots in a row and the team rallied and dominated the rest of the season and that the gon was the toughest place to play in the country. Then I woke up and remembered that you can't train a dog by beating him all the time. Sometimes you have to give them treats and handshakes. If Frank acts the same way in practice towards his players as he does during games, these kids don't know what to do. They get railed and benched no matter what they do, so what's the point. It was cute when they were winning, now it's old and tired. Frank loves the math teacher analogies--really? You teach kids math by destroying their confidence and telling them they suck? Whatever. He doesn't recruit, his players are starting to hate him and get in trouble off the court. Maybe he needs to go to Miami. Where is BoobyRuby when u need her anyways?
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also, your no bcs offers since judge/mcgruder tp in completely factually inaccurate. would have called you on it earlier, but there were a lot of distractions with the loss and the retards and everything.
So I might have been exaggerating a bit. It's mostly true.
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remember when Whitlock said that Wooly was a good coach, but didn't get mean enough to command the team to win?
Frank is mean enough, and we are now back to Wooly quality for now.
Whitlock thought it was Wooly. Turns out it was KState.
There is absolutely no reason for any KU fan to berate KSU. Its being done at an excellent level already. :cheers:
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when you only have three active players that are clearly better than other players on the roster and two of them have two fouls with a couple minutes to go in the first i kinda expect to see an odd collection of players on the floor. it's also Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) to harp on it.
Disagree. It's something that is 100% controllable, even with our other shortcomings, and should never ever ever ever ever happen.
We'd be Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) not to harp on it.
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when you only have three active players that are clearly better than other players on the roster and two of them have two fouls with a couple minutes to go in the first i kinda expect to see an odd collection of players on the floor. it's also Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) to harp on it.
Disagree. It's something that is 100% controllable, even with our other shortcomings, and should never ever ever ever ever happen.
We'd be Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) not to harp on it.
I understand why Pullen, McGruds, and Judge were not on the floor.
But you could easily put Sprads, Russell, Irving, Samuels and Asprilla/JHR on the floor and be viable. I don't care how pissed you are at those guys, you put your best options on the floor, especially when 3 of your starters are out. Sure, Myles came in and had an immediate nice drive, then proceded to not play defense on the next possession. Still, we are up 4, and go down the floor and throw it right to CU for two lay-ups. It was ridiculous and was totally on Frank. Call a timeout and get the guys collected when you are up 4, if you have to tell them exactly what you want them to do.
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Myles needs to get his D down. He would play a lot if he did. He has the speed, gotta think it is a want/understanding thing at this point.
I am still riding the Myles bandwagon.
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Myles needs to get his D down. He would play a lot if he did. He has the speed, gotta think it is a want/understanding thing at this point.
I am still riding the Myles bandwagon.
yeah he is easily the second best creator of the dribble.
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just rewatched that segment. you people are even more ridiculous than i remembered. the 9 pt lead was largely built with myles, irving, russell, samuels and jhr (pullen replaced russell for the last 2 points). why aren't you tards bitching about playing that crap lineup for 5ish minutes? then pullen & samuels + 3 tards lost 5 points of the lead. why aren't you tards bitching about our having two of our best players give back 5 points in two minutes? finally, for the last 1:30 asprilla replaced samuels (not because martin was mad at him, but because he'd been in the game for about 6 minutes straight) and southwell came in for pullen (not because martin was mad, but because he didn't want a cheap 3rd foul in the last 90 seconds of the half).
unless you're complaining just as much about the crap lineup that built the lead, y'all should stfu for complaining about the crap lineup that lost less than half of it.
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just rewatched that segment. you people are even more ridiculous than i remembered. the 9 pt lead was largely built with myles, irving, russell, samuels and jhr (pullen replaced russell for the last 2 points). why aren't you tards bitching about playing that cac lineup for 5ish minutes? then pullen & samuels + 3 tards lost 5 points of the lead. why aren't you tards bitching about our having two of our best players give back 5 points in two minutes? finally, for the last 1:30 asprilla replaced samuels (not because martin was mad at him, but because he'd been in the game for about 6 minutes straight) and southwell came in for pullen (not because martin was mad, but because he didn't want a cheap 3rd foul in the last 90 seconds of the half).
unless you're complaining just as much about the cac lineup that built the lead, y'all should stfu for complaining about the cac lineup that lost less than half of it.
Thanks for going back to look. Those last two TOs that allowed CU to tie were awful.
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Thanks for going back to look. Those last two TOs that allowed CU to tie were awful.
yeah they were.
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yeah, i just remember the last 2 minutes.
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i'll also add that jhr not closing out on knutson (sp?) in the zone was also ridiculous. asprilla forgot a guy as he was trying to get back in the zone that was horrible, even though the cu player missed the layup. and samuels would have had the rebound off his missed fts if he wasn't concentrating so hard on grimacing so that everyone would know he was hurt.
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funny how easy it is to own message boarding just by going back and rewatching a game
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funny how easy it is to own message boarding just by going back and rewatching a game
Very. It's very hard to see everything watching once.
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After this sys beatdown, I'm not sure what to think about anymore.
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After this sys beatdown, I'm not sure what to think about anymore.
It is pretty clear Frank just hates this team right now and I don't blame him. We're playing more zone than he wants because we suck, we are lacking leadership.
To waste time arguing over who is on the floor for 5ish minutes as if that would have changed the outcome of the game is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). Agree that Frank has to figure something out with this team, but strongly disagree that he sucks as a coach.
Love when tards assume things about Frank purely based on his on court demeanor. 95% of the team's exposure to Frank is off the floor, where most of the time he's not acting like he does on court.
I hope all of you pushing Frank out the door are happy when he leaves and we return to the Siebrandt, Marques Hayden caliber of player....jesus...
We're still going dancing....
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We're still going dancing....
but last year was junior prom...
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It is pretty clear Frank just hates this team right now and I don't blame him. We're playing more zone than he wants because we suck, we are lacking leadership.
To waste time arguing over who is on the floor for 5ish minutes as if that would have changed the outcome of the game is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). Agree that Frank has to figure something out with this team, but strongly disagree that he sucks as a coach.
Love when tards assume things about Frank purely based on his on court demeanor. 95% of the team's exposure to Frank is off the floor, where most of the time he's not acting like he does on court.
I hope all of you pushing Frank out the door are happy when he leaves and we return to the Siebrandt, Marques Hayden caliber of player....jesus...
We're still going dancing....
man, great post.
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I hope all of you pushing Frank out the door are happy when he leaves and we return to the Siebrandt, Marques Hayden caliber of player....jesus...
Actually, a bunch of them are coming back today. Hoping for a photo opp for some Trim-era EMAW legends with the pak head.
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It is pretty clear Frank just hates this team right now and I don't blame him. We're playing more zone than he wants because we suck, we are lacking leadership.
To waste time arguing over who is on the floor for 5ish minutes as if that would have changed the outcome of the game is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). Agree that Frank has to figure something out with this team, but strongly disagree that he sucks as a coach.
Love when tards assume things about Frank purely based on his on court demeanor. 95% of the team's exposure to Frank is off the floor, where most of the time he's not acting like he does on court.
I hope all of you pushing Frank out the door are happy when he leaves and we return to the Siebrandt, Marques Hayden caliber of player....jesus...
We're still going dancing....
man, great post.
I have to say I kind of :blush: when I realized sys liked my post.
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sys is just being a bball tard.
no offense sys.