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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: ednksu on January 08, 2011, 03:15:02 PM
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we're suppose to make our feelings known with a pen or a vote. This is America. This is not how we are suppose to do things.
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/08/several-people-shot-at-arizona-store-police-official-says/
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we're suppose to make our feelings known with a pen or a vote. This is America. This is not how we are suppose to do things.
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/08/several-people-shot-at-arizona-store-police-official-says/
not everyone agrees with you
http://www.americablog.com/2011/01/did-palin-crosshairs-ad-get.html
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A rough ridin' kid got killed. 9 years old.
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:horrorsurprise: < first serious usage ever
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Here's the shooter's Daily Kos page:
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Given his political leanings it seems vanishingly unlikely that Sarah Palin or the Tea Party could have influenced him much one way or another. His YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10) channel features, as his favorite video, a long burning of a US flag & lists among his favorite books The Communist Mannifesto.
Nice try lefties but if he was politically motivated he was clearly one of yours. :users:
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i've been in that safeway. pricey.
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Here's the shooter's Daily Kos page:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fweaselzippers.us%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F01%2FKOS.jpg&hash=cb14c4a2e61f0270aa7b2f1ccd732f1cf4dc3bf6)
Given his political leanings it seems vanishingly unlikely that Sarah Palin or the Tea Party could have influenced him much one way or another. His YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10) channel features, as his favorite video, a long burning of a US flag & lists among his favorite books The Communist Mannifesto.
Nice try lefties but if he was politically motivated he was clearly one of yours. :users:
and he's posting from jail
well dollars to donuts it was a disgruntled (0+ / 0-)
Jesse Kelly supporter. Of course freepers will try to blame this on the Left.
Not a single issue voter, but if I was, gay rights would be it. I just want Democrats to be tough. And I wish Obama were tougher. That's all. I'm a proud gay!
by BoyBlue on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 12:38:32 PM PST
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nice try
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Here's the shooter's Daily Kos page:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fweaselzippers.us%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F01%2FKOS.jpg&hash=cb14c4a2e61f0270aa7b2f1ccd732f1cf4dc3bf6)
Given his political leanings it seems vanishingly unlikely that Sarah Palin or the Tea Party could have influenced him much one way or another. His YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10) channel features, as his favorite video, a long burning of a US flag & lists among his favorite books The Communist Mannifesto.
Nice try lefties but if he was politically motivated he was clearly one of yours. :users:
and he's posting from jail
well dollars to donuts it was a disgruntled (0+ / 0-)
Jesse Kelly supporter. Of course freepers will try to blame this on the Left.
Not a single issue voter, but if I was, gay rights would be it. I just want Democrats to be tough. And I wish Obama were tougher. That's all. I'm a proud gay!
by BoyBlue on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 12:38:32 PM PST
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nice try
Probably on his Crackberry. :opcat:
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http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/01/08/jane-fonda-blames-giffords-shooting-sarah-palin-glenn-beck-and-tea-pa
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Supposed to be to Glenn Beck's account, but it's the wrong "Glen Beck."
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Yes, Jane, the Tea Party encourages everyone to read/favorite Mein Kampf and Communist Manifesto.
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My gut reaction to this guy is that he is some sort of weird anarchist libertarian. Not like a Ron Paul Libertarian. It will be interesting to see where this goes, he lists opposing ideologies in his favorite readings.
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Here's the shooter's Daily Kos page:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fweaselzippers.us%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F01%2FKOS.jpg&hash=cb14c4a2e61f0270aa7b2f1ccd732f1cf4dc3bf6)
Given his political leanings it seems vanishingly unlikely that Sarah Palin or the Tea Party could have influenced him much one way or another. His YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10) channel features, as his favorite video, a long burning of a US flag & lists among his favorite books The Communist Mannifesto.
Nice try lefties but if he was politically motivated he was clearly one of yours. :users:
Az can you tell me where you found out that was his KOS page?
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Seems like a Ron Paulite to me. These Ayn Rand people are off the deep end. By the way I see little difference between them and the uber-left. They agree on most things.
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By the way AzCat, you rough ridin' goober who will believe anything your beloved right-wing media tells you, that diary was retracted by the author after this incident.
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:horrorsurprise: < first serious usage ever
I know. Wow.
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Looks to me like the shooter is just an mentally ill loser, high school drop-out, that got kicked out of a junior college.
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Looks to me like the shooter is just an mentally ill loser, high school drop-out, that got kicked out of a junior college.
Like we said, a leftist.
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Yeah, he sounds like a real "right winger".
But super, now more power to Big Sis.
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Looks to me like the shooter is just an mentally ill loser, high school drop-out, that got kicked out of a junior college.
couldn't even get into the army...which says ALOT about him.
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Yeah, he sounds like a real "right winger".
But super, now more power to Big Sis.
not sure how concerns over currency manipulation and calling recent government decisions "tyrannical" is a lefty mindset. Seems very very very extreme anarchistic libertarian to me.
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Yeah, he sounds like a real "right winger".
But super, now more power to Big Sis.
not sure how concerns over currency manipulation and calling recent government decisions "tyrannical" is a lefty mindset. Seems very very very extreme anarchistic libertarian to me.
How about lets just say he was a nutcase.
But like Rahm always says, "never waste a crisis" . . . so get ready for a whole litany of additional big sis crackdown tactics.
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So he lists the communist manifesto as one of his favorite books...
But he's rabidly anti-government with their advanced mind control techniques....
But a classmate of his said he was very left wing...
But he shot a democrat....
He's apparently not religious and probably atheist from his writings...
Sounds like he's transcended any form of political spectrum into the whole 'garden variety lunatic' area to me.
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Yeah, he sounds like a real "right winger".
But super, now more power to Big Sis.
not sure how concerns over currency manipulation and calling recent government decisions "tyrannical" is a lefty mindset. Seems very very very extreme anarchistic libertarian to me.
You know those anarchists who show up at G8 meetings, instigate protests over increases in UK tuition and such? Yeah, supported by left wing groups. Its a ploy--create distrust, use violence to start the revolution, let the strongman take over and "solve" the problems. Anarchy never leads to less government, only more.
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I don't know about you, but I got my unicorn and it's rough ridin' awesome. :cheers:
Still, this fuckwads politics don't matter.
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I don't know about you, but I got my unicorn and it's rough ridin' awesome. :cheers:
Still, this fuckwads politics don't matter.
Apparently to many in the media, the politics do matter. All this "hateful" rhetoric, ya know....
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I don't know about you, but I got my unicorn and it's rough ridin' awesome. :cheers:
Still, this fuckwads politics don't matter.
Exactly
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Yeah, he sounds like a real "right winger".
But super, now more power to Big Sis.
not sure how concerns over currency manipulation and calling recent government decisions "tyrannical" is a lefty mindset. Seems very very very extreme anarchistic libertarian to me.
You know those anarchists who show up at G8 meetings, instigate protests over increases in UK tuition and such? Yeah, supported by left wing groups. Its a ploy--create distrust, use violence to start the revolution, let the strongman take over and "solve" the problems. Anarchy never leads to less government, only more.
not at all what I was talking about. Anarchist do not equal anarchist libertarians.
and others are right, this guy is wacko, making up his political philosophy.
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Crazy. Twenty people shot and the guy had a magazine with 31 bullets in it ready to load and it was hit away. Imagine that bloody mess if he was successful with the rest of the bullets. :barf: :cry:
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It's going to get worse (http://www.statesmanjournal.com/article/20110110/UPDATE/110109025/1001/news/)
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I read the guy was a Nihilist. That makes him an emo lunatic.
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This guys sounds like a terrorist to me.
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Still, this effwads politics don't matter.
People who disagree with you:
Sen. Bob Kerry (D - NE) (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/fmr-senator-claims-gunman-was-angry-over-obamacare-repeal/)
Rep. Robert Brady (D - PA) (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/pa-rep-brady-suggests-gunman-motivated-by-sarah-palins-website/)
Eugene Robinson (D - WaPo) (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/washington-post-eugene-robinson-violent-rhetoric-comes-exclusively-from-the-right/)
Paul Krugman (D - NYT) (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/ny-times-krugman-blames-shooting-on-gop-hate-mongers-beck-limbaugh/)
Keith Olberman (D - Lunatic Fringe) (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/keith-olbermann-compares-glenn-to-shooter-calls-on-beck-to-apologize-for-his-rhetoric/)
Jessica Yellin (D - CNN) (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/cnn-reporter-palin-part-of-rhetoric-that-allowed-this-kind-of-thing-to-happen/)
Pretty obvious where the shrieking politicized hysteria is coming from. Good thing they got out in front with their narrative before the facts started coming to light. Wouldn't do for the American people to learn the truth, namely that to the extent the shooter was motivated by politics it was the politics of the far left.
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He was also an atheist.
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He was also an atheist.
All signs pointing to a progressive liberal.
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Front page of Yahoo! connecting Palin to the shooter
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_theticket/20110110/ts_yblog_theticket/giffords-tragedy-could-be-a-defining-moment-for-palin
Also,
read an article that said this guy hated Gifford because she mocked/blew off a question he asked at a rally three years ago.
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I don't recall the libs being so upset and finger-pointery after the Ft Hood shootings.
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I don't recall the libs being so upset and finger-pointery after the Ft Hood shootings.
That's because radical Muslims are allowed to kill people because they've been oppressed. Doubly true if they're killing their American oppressors. :users:
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WHY, OH WHY, COULDN'T IT HAVE BEEN KATHY LEE GIFFORD INSTEAD?!!??!???
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WHY, OH WHY, COULDN'T IT HAVE BEEN KATHY LEE GIFFORD INSTEAD?!!??!???
Didn't Mr. Garrison take care of that already?
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Dude looks crazy as hell in his mugshot. Most people don't look that happy in their's.
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:horrorsurprise:
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I just heard Herbstreit say somebody was in somebody's cross-hairs! :ohno: I would expect a shooting by the end of the game.
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I just heard Herbstreit say somebody was in somebody's cross-hairs! :ohno: I would expect a shooting by the end of the game.
dude. Didn't you hear the terrorists are building a celebration mosque at ground zero where the flaming tire of jesus flew off the plane and landed on the holy burlington coat factory? No time for tv. Must. Protect. Country. From. Sharia. Law. Chop Chop!
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I just heard Herbstreit say somebody was in somebody's cross-hairs! :ohno: I would expect a shooting by the end of the game.
dude. Didn't you hear the terrorists are building a celebration mosque at ground zero where the flaming tire of jesus flew off the plane and landed on the holy burlington coat factory? No time for tv. Must. Protect. Country. From. Sharia. Law. Chop Chop!
:facepalm: Flaming tire of Allah. sheeesh.
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Dear conservative retards:
If Mein Kampf is one of your favorite books to read and you worry about currency manipulations you are not a liberal.
Thanks,
People who realize the guy was really crazy
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Dear conservative retards:
If Mein Kampf is one of your favorite books to read and you worry about currency manipulations you are not a liberal.
Thanks,
People who realize the guy was really crazy
So currency manipulation is OK with liberals!?
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Phelps and family are planning on picketing the funeral of the little girl who was killed. Turns out God Hates Catholics now too.
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Dear conservative retards:
If Mein Kampf is one of your favorite books to read and you worry about currency manipulations you are not a liberal.
Thanks,
People who realize the guy was really crazy
mein kampf and the commie festo are both books advocating big government. Not really all that different in the end. Just different means to get there.
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Dear conservative retards:
If Mein Kampf is one of your favorite books to read and you worry about currency manipulations you are not a liberal.
Thanks,
People who realize the guy was really crazy
Sorry, but fascism is a variant form of socialism/communism. Back around the 30s and 40s communists hate fascists because they are sell outs who are no longer ideologically pure, while fascists hated communists/socialists for being stubborn d-bags who weren't willing to adjust their methodologies to achieve the goal. The same goal both sides held - create a workers' paradise.
Hope that cleared that one up for you. If you need further, more in depth explanation, let me know.
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Liberals are by their very nature fascist. This is common knowledge and quite obvious to even the untrained eye.
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the last three posts = :bitchslap:
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Dear conservative retards:
If Mein Kampf is one of your favorite books to read and you worry about currency manipulations you are not a liberal.
Thanks,
People who realize the guy was really crazy
Sorry, but fascism is a variant form of socialism/communism. Back around the 30s and 40s communists hate fascists because they are sell outs who are no longer ideologically pure, while fascists hated communists/socialists for being stubborn d-bags who weren't willing to adjust their methodologies to achieve the goal. The same goal both sides held - create a workers' paradise.
Hope that cleared that one up for you. If you need further, more in depth explanation, let me know.
please rough ridin' tell me that you have never been to a polsci class at kansas state? please tell me you aren't college educated and that you are some townie who "grew up loving ksu". OMFG this is one of the dumbest rough ridin' things ever posted in bbs history. Its well beyond usual goEMAW posts for trolling purposes.
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Liberals are by their very nature fascist. This is common knowledge and quite obvious to even the untrained eye.
fascism (?fæ??z?m) [Click for IPA pronunciation guide]
—n
1. any ideology or movement inspired by Italian Fascism, such as German National Socialism; any right-wing nationalist ideology or movement with an authoritarian and hierarchical structure that is fundamentally opposed to democracy and liberalism
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nuts don't bring facts in here. Next I would like them to explain to me how Leninism and Stalinism are the same as Marxism or Communism.
God damn this board is getting bad. Fitz would love the type of lock step support AZ gets on this board.
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when cut and past goes awry
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Not very "right winged" sounding, more progressive sounding w/o the overt "we'll decide what's best for you, because we know what's best".
Fascism emerged first in France in the 1880s as an intellectual movement that absorbed and synthesised socialism and nationalism and created a new ideology of "a socialism without the proletariat".[146]
Fascism is based upon a number of ideologies from across the political spectrum. Benito Mussolini had a strong attachment to the works of Plato.[147] In The Republic (c. 380 BCE), Plato advocated a system of elite minority rule by highly educated, intellectual rulers called philosopher kings, who were allowed to exercise total control over the politics and security of a society. This argument has been considered an inspiration for fascism's promotion of elite rule by a supreme leader and a single-party state.[148] Similarly, Vilfredo Pareto's endorsement of an elite minority-led oligarchical government was an influence on fascists.[149] Mussolini and Margherita Sarfatti identified Plato and Pareto as the sources of fascism's constantly changing character.[150] They claimed that movement and correction of flaws in ideas renews an ideology and keeps it from becoming corrupt or outdated.[150]
Regardless, I don't think Fascism fits the Right-Left continuum of American Politics.
As stated above: Liberals and commies use elements of fascism in to achieve their political ends.
If you're a polysci major, you might try supplementing those classes with some History classes and then APPLY what you've learned. It ought to be very "eye-opening".
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Remember Jim David Adkisson...shot up a church a couple of years ago...left behind a letter
This was a symbolic killing. Who I wanted to kill was every Democrat in the Senate & House, the 100 people in Bernard Goldberg's book. I'd like to kill everyone in the mainstream media. But I know those people were inaccessible to me. I couldn't get to the generals & high ranking officers of the Marxist movement so I went after the foot soldiers, the chickenshit liberals that vote in these traitorous people. Someone had to get the ball rolling. I volunteered. I hope others do the same. It's the only way we can rid America of this cancerous pestilence.
sounds like another liberal facist commie to me
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Sorry, ednksu. Apparently the historical roots of fascism aren't that important to you (of course, those roots only help define what it is). Yes, I should have included the internationalism vs. nationalism aspects of each (fascism utilized nationalism for its goals, communism, by original ideology was/is internationalist, though when push came to shove, for the sake of survival, we saw the Soviet Union and their centrally planned socialism become very nationalist in its message to garner support from the masses during WWII. Even as it returned to more of an "internationalist" message once the war was in hand, the Soviets still remained nationalistic in that they believed their leadership should dominate the world wide movement).
Yes, many have called fascism conservative in nature, as I noted especially commies, for to them it is. However, the push to claim fascism is conservative as Americans understand conservatism and liberalism by their experience it is anything but. In practical form, the U.S. itself has been fascist in nature for decades in regard to its economy (light in nature, though turning more of so as late).
Now, you can rant all you want. However, you might want to do some reading. Learn a little bit about Il Duce and his beliefs. Examine how he was regarded in the U.S. into the latter 1930s. See what the media had to say about him. Our political leaders. You will be surprised.
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Not very "right winged" sounding, more progressive sounding w/o the overt "we'll decide what's best for you, because we know what's best".
Fascism emerged first in France in the 1880s as an intellectual movement that absorbed and synthesised socialism and nationalism and created a new ideology of "a socialism without the proletariat".[146]
Fascism is based upon a number of ideologies from across the political spectrum. Benito Mussolini had a strong attachment to the works of Plato.[147] In The Republic (c. 380 BCE), Plato advocated a system of elite minority rule by highly educated, intellectual rulers called philosopher kings, who were allowed to exercise total control over the politics and security of a society. This argument has been considered an inspiration for fascism's promotion of elite rule by a supreme leader and a single-party state.[148] Similarly, Vilfredo Pareto's endorsement of an elite minority-led oligarchical government was an influence on fascists.[149] Mussolini and Margherita Sarfatti identified Plato and Pareto as the sources of fascism's constantly changing character.[150] They claimed that movement and correction of flaws in ideas renews an ideology and keeps it from becoming corrupt or outdated.[150]
Regardless, I don't think Fascism fits the Right-Left continuum of American Politics.
As stated above: Liberals and commies use elements of fascism in to achieve their political ends.
If you're a polysci major, you might try supplementing those classes with some History classes and then APPLY what you've learned. It ought to be very "eye-opening".
if you fact checked this you would know who ever edited the wiki page led you right into the current teaparty trap about obama/fascism/socialism. The book includes socialism in the construction of fascism only because it is anti laissez fair economics. The citation notes that idea is further borrowed from other works/historians. You are now trying to use a misinterpreted definition with at least 3 degree of separation.
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Not very "right winged" sounding, more progressive sounding w/o the overt "we'll decide what's best for you, because we know what's best".
Fascism emerged first in France in the 1880s as an intellectual movement that absorbed and synthesised socialism and nationalism and created a new ideology of "a socialism without the proletariat".[146]
Fascism is based upon a number of ideologies from across the political spectrum. Benito Mussolini had a strong attachment to the works of Plato.[147] In The Republic (c. 380 BCE), Plato advocated a system of elite minority rule by highly educated, intellectual rulers called philosopher kings, who were allowed to exercise total control over the politics and security of a society. This argument has been considered an inspiration for fascism's promotion of elite rule by a supreme leader and a single-party state.[148] Similarly, Vilfredo Pareto's endorsement of an elite minority-led oligarchical government was an influence on fascists.[149] Mussolini and Margherita Sarfatti identified Plato and Pareto as the sources of fascism's constantly changing character.[150] They claimed that movement and correction of flaws in ideas renews an ideology and keeps it from becoming corrupt or outdated.[150]
Regardless, I don't think Fascism fits the Right-Left continuum of American Politics.
As stated above: Liberals and commies use elements of fascism in to achieve their political ends.
If you're a polysci major, you might try supplementing those classes with some History classes and then APPLY what you've learned. It ought to be very "eye-opening".
if you fact checked this you would know who ever edited the wiki page led you right into the current teaparty trap about obama/fascism/socialism. The book includes socialism in the construction of fascism only because it is anti laissez fair economics. The citation notes that idea is further borrowed from other works/historians. You are now trying to use a misinterpreted definition with at least 3 degree of separation.
Regardless, I don't think Fascism fits the Right-Left continuum of American Politics.
As stated above: Liberals and commies use elements of fascism in to achieve their political ends.
If you're a polysci major, you might try supplementing those classes with some History classes and then APPLY what you've learned. It ought to be very "eye-opening".
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Sorry, ednksu. Apparently the historical roots of fascism aren't that important to you (of course, those roots only help define what it is). Yes, I should have included the internationalism vs. nationalism aspects of each (fascism utilized nationalism for its goals, communism, by original ideology was/is internationalist, though when push came to shove, for the sake of survival, we saw the Soviet Union and their centrally planned socialism become very nationalist in its message to garner support from the masses during WWII. Even as it returned to more of an "internationalist" message once the war was in hand, the Soviets still remained nationalistic in that they believed their leadership should dominate the world wide movement).
Yes, many have called fascism conservative in nature, as I noted especially commies, for to them it is. However, the push to claim fascism is conservative as Americans understand conservatism and liberalism by their experience it is anything but. In practical form, the U.S. itself has been fascist in nature for decades in regard to its economy (light in nature, though turning more of so as late).
Now, you can rant all you want. However, you might want to do some reading. Learn a little bit about Il Duce and his beliefs. Examine how he was regarded in the U.S. into the latter 1930s. See what the media had to say about him. Our political leaders. You will be surprised.
to even suggest that the US is fascist in economic principles is academically dishonest and borderline delusional. The US has no state control production mandates in anything comparable to any fascist regime. As noted in that horrid definition from the Wikipedia page the point of fascism is the rejection of laissez fair economics. You are still able to start any business you want without having to report to a national bureau or syndicate which controls that job/workforce.
One of the many ways the soviets (lenin and stalin) diverged from the actual communist frame work is their over indulgence of nationalism in the East v West cold war. Soviets were not communist and were their own special brand of socialists. The comparison becomes moot once the realization is made that soviets did not care about actual communism and were more concerned with the politbureau's own power.
I tend to believe that instead of plotting political philosophies on a line segment they should be plotted on a hoop or circle. As you look at the 'front' of the circle the far left and right are communism and fascism respectively. Socialism, Republican, Democrat plotting closer to center from their sides. However on the 'back of the hoop' philosophies like Leninism, Stalinism, Nazism and so forth begin to round the bend from their ideological beginnings and will actually approach each other on the back side getting closer in ideology and method. At the back of the circle or hoop message mean nothing, its an authoritarian rule based on centralized power where terror is used instead of discourse.
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This is a terrible thread. Dude was plain nuts, he wasn't a "lib" or a crazy "right winger". But keep trying to say he was one or the other, it's just going to make more people like him do the same crap.
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I'll really stir this pot... have fun with this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4YNLC3h8yI&feature=related)!
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Way to take a thread about a terrible tragedy, commited by an obviously sick individual, and turn it into a giant pillow fight. Half the problem with this country is retards like you guys who immediately turn every situation into a partisian pissing contest while completely ignoring the actual events. eff you retards, eff your Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) parents, and eff your Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) kids.
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Way to take a thread about a terrible tragedy, commited by an obviously sick individual, and turn it into a giant pillow fight. Half the problem with this country is retards like you guys who immediately turn every situation into a partisian pissing contest while completely ignoring the actual events. eff you retards, eff your Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) parents, and eff your Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) kids.
jtksu with a great post! :horrorsurprise:
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Uh oh, turns out the kid really, really like Drowning Pool's "Let the bodies hit the floor". Right now media outlets are tripping over themselves trying to break down the song and it's "true" meaning.
Didn't we already go through this "evil music" thing back in 1998-99? :facepalm: x 1000000
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what JT said.
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Uh oh, turns out the kid really, really like Drowning Pool's "Let the bodies hit the floor". Right now media outlets are tripping over themselves trying to break down the song and it's "true" meaning.
Didn't we already go through this "evil music" thing back in 1998-99? :facepalm: x 1000000
A lot longer ago than that.
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Way to take a thread about a terrible tragedy, commited by an obviously sick individual, and turn it into a giant pillow fight. Half the problem with this country is retards like you guys who immediately turn every situation into a partisian pissing contest while completely ignoring the actual events. eff you retards, eff your Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) parents, and eff your Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) kids.
FASCIST!!!!
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Way to take a thread about a terrible tragedy, commited by an obviously sick individual, and turn it into a giant pillow fight. Half the problem with this country is retards like you guys who immediately turn every situation into a partisian pissing contest while completely ignoring the actual events. eff you retards, eff your Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) parents, and eff your Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) kids.
jtksu with a great post! :horrorsurprise:
If there's one thing he knows, its retards.
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I do know retards, that's a fact.
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to even suggest that the US is fascist in economic principles is academically dishonest and borderline delusional. The US has no state control production mandates in anything comparable to any fascist regime. As noted in that horrid definition from the Wikipedia page the point of fascism is the rejection of laissez fair economics. You are still able to start any business you want without having to report to a national bureau or syndicate which controls that job/workforce.
If the bolded bit is true, as you seem to believe, then the United States is most certainly fascist in its economic orientation.
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I changed my mind. This guy watched "Loose Change" (who didn't see that coming?) --he's obviously a Liberal.
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Ass clownery reaches new heights
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110113/ap_on_re_us/us_congresswoman_shot_arizona
I only read the first half, but its enough to "get the picture". The comments are more thoughtful and insightful than the article (first time ever I'm guessing).
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As leftist ass-clownery goes that's pretty standard fare. Nothing more there than the typical shotgun blast of lefty memes supported by much emotional hand-wringing.
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You guys are right on
target surveyor's symbol with this one.
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Ass clownery reaches new heights
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110113/ap_on_re_us/us_congresswoman_shot_arizona
I only read the first half, but its enough to "get the picture". The comments are more thoughtful and insightful than the article (first time ever I'm guessing).
You got farther through it than I did, but I found this funny:
Just as the tragedy has prompted national politicians and citizens elsewhere to rethink who we are and where we're going as a country, it has left some here questioning the identity and ideals of a state that has come to exemplify a radical, antiestablishment, we'll-do-things-our-way approach to governing.
Like trying to enforce federal law, that kind of anti establishment?
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I made it as far as the part where the author suggested that requiring a safety class prior to allowing concealed carry would have prevented the Tucson shootings. :driving:
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I made it as far as the part where the author suggested that requiring a safety class prior to allowing concealed carry would have prevented the Tucson shootings. :driving:
Was thinking about this earlier today and it seems like someone with a concealed weapon might have been able to at least deter a few of the injuries or deaths by shooting this guy. I have not read enough to know what he was carrying or how much time went down between the first shot and the last so maybe even someone else with a gun wouldn't have been able to stop him. You hate to see someone with a concealed weapon pull it out and then not have the ability or nerve to use it properly and just end up hurting more people. Guns are a pretty tricky issue.
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Was thinking about this earlier today and it seems like someone with a concealed weapon might have been able to at least deter a few of the injuries or deaths by shooting this guy. I have not read enough to know what he was carrying or how much time went down between the first shot and the last so maybe even someone else with a gun wouldn't have been able to stop him. You hate to see someone with a concealed weapon pull it out and then not have the ability or nerve to use it properly and just end up hurting more people. Guns are a pretty tricky issue.
I don't disagree with any of that but it's pretty much moot since concealed carry is presently legal in AZ with no permit. The author of the linked piece frets about all sorts of gun law issues but fails utterly to note that Arizona prohibits the mentally ill from owning or purchasing firearms thus the legal stance in AZ is already where it needs to be to do everything a gun law can possibly to do prevent this sort of event from happening (to be clear: the best a gun law can do is prohibit a legal purchase, nothing more). The failures are in Sheriff's Dupnik Dept. and Pima CC's unwillingness to get the shooter into the system and have him adjudged mentally ill in time for the law to have its intended effect. No need to penalize citizens for what seems a clear failure of government.
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Was watching a basketball game last night. Guy made a shot and the announcer said, "Bulls Eye!"
:ohno: :ohno:
I think it was a Wizards game (formerly the Bullets). So the next time someone gets shot in the former murder capital of the U.S., a city with the most restrictive gun laws, it'll be his fault, and the city will need to rethink its overly restrictive stance on guns.
At approximately 4-5 murders a week, it shouldn't be too long before this story breaks.
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Was thinking about this earlier today and it seems like someone with a concealed weapon might have been able to at least deter a few of the injuries or deaths by shooting this guy. I have not read enough to know what he was carrying or how much time went down between the first shot and the last so maybe even someone else with a gun wouldn't have been able to stop him. You hate to see someone with a concealed weapon pull it out and then not have the ability or nerve to use it properly and just end up hurting more people. Guns are a pretty tricky issue.
I don't disagree with any of that but it's pretty much moot since concealed carry is presently legal in AZ with no permit. The author of the linked piece frets about all sorts of gun law issues but fails utterly to note that Arizona prohibits the mentally ill from owning or purchasing firearms thus the legal stance in AZ is already where it needs to be to do everything a gun law can possibly to do prevent this sort of event from happening (to be clear: the best a gun law can do is prohibit a legal purchase, nothing more). The failures are in Sheriff's Dupnik Dept. and Pima CC's unwillingness to get the shooter into the system and have him adjudged mentally ill in time for the law to have its intended effect. No need to penalize citizens for what seems a clear failure of government.
I agree. People fail to not that there were reports of several CCW people that rushed to the shooting. One guy (kinda schumkish) did exactly what you are suppose to do. Thought he saw a shooter, verbally ordered the weapon to be dropped and when it was most important put his weapon away when he realized he his weapon was escalating the situation instead of resolving it. He realized he was not approaching the shooter but another good sumerian who had taken the gun. The CCW guy put his weapon away because he feared he would be IDed as a second shooter. He didn't fire, no one fired at him. Shame he wasn't a second or two earlier and maybe someone could have stopped the loon a bit earlier.
And the wacko had a glock 19 (I think) with an extended mag that isn't made anymore (i think). I know the mags were banned for a little while with the Clinton ban. He was unable to reload and chamber his weapon before people intervened. You can easily go through 30+ in under 10-15 seconds.
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And the wacko had a glock 19 (I think) with an extended mag that isn't made anymore (i think). I know the mags were banned for a little while with the Clinton ban. He was unable to reload and chamber his weapon before people intervened. You can easily go through 30+ in under 10-15 seconds.
The Clinton ban on extended mags was kind of a joke. It, IIRC, prohibited the manufacture, importation & sale of newly made mags but not the possession, and I believe also not the transfer among individuals, of those already floating around out there. It had the effect of creating a massive spike in the sales of extended mags and driving their price up going forward but it didn't prevent anyone who wanted one from acquiring one. Fact is that we're not going to make the tens of millions already in circulation contraband and their owners felons so any newly-minted ban will similarly have no practical impact. And, as a practical matter, a new ban on extended mags wouldn't prevent a shooter from simply bringing multiple weapons as we've seen them do in these situations in the past.
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I actually agree with you guys. It can't be any more illegal than it already is to shoot a congresswoman in the head.
The fact of the matter is that the National Instant Criminal Background Check System hasn't been able to acquire names of mentally and criminally ill persons from states as well as it should. Reading an article in Time that stated that 121,000 persons in Arizona meet the mentally defective criteria but from the beginning of 2008 to Oct. 2010 only 4,000 names have been submitted by the state to the system. Nebraska, Pennsylvania and Louisiana have only submitted 1 name combined in that same time period.
Here's the list of prohibitions:
Has been convicted in any court of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year
Is under indictment for a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year
Is a fugitive from justice
Is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance
Has been adjudicated as a mental defective or committed to a mental institution
Is illegally or unlawfully in the United States
Has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions
Having been a citizen of the United States, has renounced U.S. citizenship
Is subject to a court order that restrains the person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner or child of such intimate partner
Has been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence
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I actually agree with you guys. It can't be any more illegal than it already is to shoot a congresswoman in the head.
The fact of the matter is that the National Instant Criminal Background Check System hasn't been able to acquire names of mentally and criminally ill persons from states as well as it should. Reading an article in Time that stated that 121,000 persons in Arizona meet the mentally defective criteria but from the beginning of 2008 to Oct. 2010 only 4,000 names have been submitted by the state to the system. Nebraska, Pennsylvania and Louisiana have only submitted 1 name combined in that same time period.
Here's the list of prohibitions:
Has been convicted in any court of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year
Is under indictment for a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year
Is a fugitive from justice
Is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance
Has been adjudicated as a mental defective or committed to a mental institution
Is illegally or unlawfully in the United States
Has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions
Having been a citizen of the United States, has renounced U.S. citizenship
Is subject to a court order that restrains the person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner or child of such intimate partner
Has been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence
Probably a HIPPA thing
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The sheriff is now an urban dictionary legend.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmichellemalkin.cachefly.net%2Fmichellemalkin.com%2Fwp%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F01%2Fdupnik.bmp&hash=3a1f1712b597a3808fc32fb1f2386b58bbcf0bcf)
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dupnik
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Tucson shooter garden variety Bush-hating lefty: (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/16/us/16loughner.html?_r=2&adxnnl=1&pagewanted=3&adxnnlx=1295272816-mzPTbiXmgfYK5d56DmiDjg)
He became intrigued by antigovernment conspiracy theories, including that the Sept. 11 attacks were perpetrated by the government .... His anger would well up at the sight of President George W. Bush, or in discussing what he considered to be the nefarious designs of government.
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Tucson shooter garden variety Bush-hating lefty: (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/16/us/16loughner.html?_r=2&adxnnl=1&pagewanted=3&adxnnlx=1295272816-mzPTbiXmgfYK5d56DmiDjg)
He became intrigued by antigovernment conspiracy theories, including that the Sept. 11 attacks were perpetrated by the government .... His anger would well up at the sight of President George W. Bush, or in discussing what he considered to be the nefarious designs of government.
The lefties have finally figured out he is one of them. The silence from the media is deafening. :users:
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Tucson shooter garden variety Bush-hating lefty: (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/16/us/16loughner.html?_r=2&adxnnl=1&pagewanted=3&adxnnlx=1295272816-mzPTbiXmgfYK5d56DmiDjg)
He became intrigued by antigovernment conspiracy theories, including that the Sept. 11 attacks were perpetrated by the government .... His anger would well up at the sight of President George W. Bush, or in discussing what he considered to be the nefarious designs of government.
The lefties have finally figured out he is one of them. The silence from the media is deafening. :users:
Should probably get Krugman, Gore, Obama, et al. in for psychiatric evaluations stat. :driving:
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Tucson shooter garden variety Bush-hating lefty: (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/16/us/16loughner.html?_r=2&adxnnl=1&pagewanted=3&adxnnlx=1295272816-mzPTbiXmgfYK5d56DmiDjg)
He became intrigued by antigovernment conspiracy theories, including that the Sept. 11 attacks were perpetrated by the government .... His anger would well up at the sight of President George W. Bush, or in discussing what he considered to be the nefarious designs of government.
The lefties have finally figured out he is one of them. The silence from the media is deafening. :users:
:jeffy:
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Tucson shooter garden variety Bush-hating lefty: (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/16/us/16loughner.html?_r=2&adxnnl=1&pagewanted=3&adxnnlx=1295272816-mzPTbiXmgfYK5d56DmiDjg)
He became intrigued by antigovernment conspiracy theories, including that the Sept. 11 attacks were perpetrated by the government .... His anger would well up at the sight of President George W. Bush, or in discussing what he considered to be the nefarious designs of government.
The lefties have finally figured out he is one of them. The silence from the media is deafening. :users:
:jeffy:
:jeffy: YES, this is what the media looked like last week trying to tie Palin and the vast right wing conspiracy to the shootings.
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Maybe the media isn't giving the shooting more coverage now because it's an old story.
Certain members of the media looked just as ridiculous trying to tie Palin to the shootings as Bill O'Reilly does when he claims that there is a war on Christmas. Sarah Palin had the opportunity to take the high road and gain some much needed respect. Instead, she wrote a speech claiming she was the victim of blood libel.
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Tucson shooter garden variety Bush-hating lefty: (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/16/us/16loughner.html?_r=2&adxnnl=1&pagewanted=3&adxnnlx=1295272816-mzPTbiXmgfYK5d56DmiDjg)
He became intrigued by antigovernment conspiracy theories, including that the Sept. 11 attacks were perpetrated by the government .... His anger would well up at the sight of President George W. Bush, or in discussing what he considered to be the nefarious designs of government.
The lefties have finally figured out he is one of them. The silence from the media is deafening. :users:
You realize that those who are anti-govenrment (at least those who haven't been sandbagged into becoming tea party members) typically maintain this position regardless of what party is in power? This kid, given his loosely held ability to understand what the hell was going on around him, seemed to subscribe (a stretch given his mental state) to the New World Order, Alex Jones, Trilateral Commission, paranoid, conspiracy subculture. These movements don't hold affiliations to the major political parties. They never will. Saying that he is anti-bush therefore he is a lefty is disingenuous. There are righties who were anti-Bush. Just like there are lefties who are anti-government.
Someone before mentioned the doc Loose Change. The Obama Deception and Zeitgeist pushes these theories even further. No one could describe these docs as "hit pieces" on either party it takes a broad stake against the government.
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Tucson shooter garden variety Bush-hating lefty: (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/16/us/16loughner.html?_r=2&adxnnl=1&pagewanted=3&adxnnlx=1295272816-mzPTbiXmgfYK5d56DmiDjg)
He became intrigued by antigovernment conspiracy theories, including that the Sept. 11 attacks were perpetrated by the government .... His anger would well up at the sight of President George W. Bush, or in discussing what he considered to be the nefarious designs of government.
The lefties have finally figured out he is one of them. The silence from the media is deafening. :users:
You realize that those who are anti-govenrment (at least those who haven't been sandbagged into becoming tea party members) typically maintain this position regardless of what party is in power? This kid, given his loosely held ability to understand what the hell was going on around him, seemed to subscribe (a stretch given his mental state) to the New World Order, Alex Jones, Trilateral Commission, paranoid, conspiracy subculture. These movements don't hold affiliations to the major political parties. They never will. Saying that he is anti-bush therefore he is a lefty is disingenuous. There are righties who were anti-Bush. Just like there are lefties who are anti-government.
Someone before mentioned the doc Loose Change. The Obama Deception and Zeitgeist pushes these theories even further. No one could describe these docs as "hit pieces" on either party it takes a broad stake against the government.
How can you be a lefty and anti-government? To whom are you going to pay your taxes to support free-loaders?
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Tucson shooter garden variety Bush-hating lefty: (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/16/us/16loughner.html?_r=2&adxnnl=1&pagewanted=3&adxnnlx=1295272816-mzPTbiXmgfYK5d56DmiDjg)
He became intrigued by antigovernment conspiracy theories, including that the Sept. 11 attacks were perpetrated by the government .... His anger would well up at the sight of President George W. Bush, or in discussing what he considered to be the nefarious designs of government.
The lefties have finally figured out he is one of them. The silence from the media is deafening. :users:
You realize that those who are anti-govenrment (at least those who haven't been sandbagged into becoming tea party members) typically maintain this position regardless of what party is in power? This kid, given his loosely held ability to understand what the hell was going on around him, seemed to subscribe (a stretch given his mental state) to the New World Order, Alex Jones, Trilateral Commission, paranoid, conspiracy subculture. These movements don't hold affiliations to the major political parties. They never will. Saying that he is anti-bush therefore he is a lefty is disingenuous. There are righties who were anti-Bush. Just like there are lefties who are anti-government.
Someone before mentioned the doc Loose Change. The Obama Deception and Zeitgeist pushes these theories even further. No one could describe these docs as "hit pieces" on either party it takes a broad stake against the government.
How can you be a lefty and anti-government? To whom are you going to pay your taxes to support free-loaders?
You've never heard of any far-left group ousting or attempting to overthrow a government before? In the USA there are many leftists who clandestinely support the ousting of governments or leaders therein.
You can check out that slight newsmaker, Wikileaks for more information.
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Tucson shooter garden variety Bush-hating lefty: (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/16/us/16loughner.html?_r=2&adxnnl=1&pagewanted=3&adxnnlx=1295272816-mzPTbiXmgfYK5d56DmiDjg)
He became intrigued by antigovernment conspiracy theories, including that the Sept. 11 attacks were perpetrated by the government .... His anger would well up at the sight of President George W. Bush, or in discussing what he considered to be the nefarious designs of government.
The lefties have finally figured out he is one of them. The silence from the media is deafening. :users:
You realize that those who are anti-govenrment (at least those who haven't been sandbagged into becoming tea party members) typically maintain this position regardless of what party is in power? This kid, given his loosely held ability to understand what the hell was going on around him, seemed to subscribe (a stretch given his mental state) to the New World Order, Alex Jones, Trilateral Commission, paranoid, conspiracy subculture. These movements don't hold affiliations to the major political parties. They never will. Saying that he is anti-bush therefore he is a lefty is disingenuous. There are righties who were anti-Bush. Just like there are lefties who are anti-government.
Someone before mentioned the doc Loose Change. The Obama Deception and Zeitgeist pushes these theories even further. No one could describe these docs as "hit pieces" on either party it takes a broad stake against the government.
How can you be a lefty and anti-government? To whom are you going to pay your taxes to support free-loaders?
You've never heard of any far-left group ousting or attempting to overthrow a government before? In the USA there are many leftists who clandestinely support the ousting of governments or leaders therein.
You can check out that slight newsmaker, Wikileaks for more information.
Perhaps, but don't they then install there own socialist government and rob the people in the name of "helping the little man", while lining their own pockets with billions? (see Hugo Chavez)
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Tucson shooter garden variety Bush-hating lefty: (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/16/us/16loughner.html?_r=2&adxnnl=1&pagewanted=3&adxnnlx=1295272816-mzPTbiXmgfYK5d56DmiDjg)
He became intrigued by antigovernment conspiracy theories, including that the Sept. 11 attacks were perpetrated by the government .... His anger would well up at the sight of President George W. Bush, or in discussing what he considered to be the nefarious designs of government.
The lefties have finally figured out he is one of them. The silence from the media is deafening. :users:
You realize that those who are anti-govenrment (at least those who haven't been sandbagged into becoming tea party members) typically maintain this position regardless of what party is in power? This kid, given his loosely held ability to understand what the hell was going on around him, seemed to subscribe (a stretch given his mental state) to the New World Order, Alex Jones, Trilateral Commission, paranoid, conspiracy subculture. These movements don't hold affiliations to the major political parties. They never will. Saying that he is anti-bush therefore he is a lefty is disingenuous. There are righties who were anti-Bush. Just like there are lefties who are anti-government.
Someone before mentioned the doc Loose Change. The Obama Deception and Zeitgeist pushes these theories even further. No one could describe these docs as "hit pieces" on either party it takes a broad stake against the government.
How can you be a lefty and anti-government? To whom are you going to pay your taxes to support free-loaders?
You've never heard of any far-left group ousting or attempting to overthrow a government before? In the USA there are many leftists who clandestinely support the ousting of governments or leaders therein.
You can check out that slight newsmaker, Wikileaks for more information.
Perhaps, but don't they then install there own socialist government and rob the people in the name of "helping the little man", while lining their own pockets with billions? (see Hugo Chavez)
I'd agree. The cycle repeats itself again and again throughout the world. Slightly OT.
Anyways, Loughner isn't a 'garden variety, bush-hating lefty" as Azcat claims him to be. Applaud his copying/pasting selective tidbits in order to make it look that way, however.
Basically doing the same thing he's accusing the left of doing. But that's not lost on him. Neither is the fact that Azcat has spent time calling Loughner a "nutjob" or a "lunatic" while simultaneously pretending Loughner's non-existent right/left political ideology is perfectly lucid..... but only when it suits him.....Can't have it both ways.
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Tucson shooter garden variety Bush-hating lefty: (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/16/us/16loughner.html?_r=2&adxnnl=1&pagewanted=3&adxnnlx=1295272816-mzPTbiXmgfYK5d56DmiDjg)
He became intrigued by antigovernment conspiracy theories, including that the Sept. 11 attacks were perpetrated by the government .... His anger would well up at the sight of President George W. Bush, or in discussing what he considered to be the nefarious designs of government.
The lefties have finally figured out he is one of them. The silence from the media is deafening. :users:
You realize that those who are anti-govenrment (at least those who haven't been sandbagged into becoming tea party members) typically maintain this position regardless of what party is in power? This kid, given his loosely held ability to understand what the hell was going on around him, seemed to subscribe (a stretch given his mental state) to the New World Order, Alex Jones, Trilateral Commission, paranoid, conspiracy subculture. These movements don't hold affiliations to the major political parties. They never will. Saying that he is anti-bush therefore he is a lefty is disingenuous. There are righties who were anti-Bush. Just like there are lefties who are anti-government.
Someone before mentioned the doc Loose Change. The Obama Deception and Zeitgeist pushes these theories even further. No one could describe these docs as "hit pieces" on either party it takes a broad stake against the government.
How can you be a lefty and anti-government? To whom are you going to pay your taxes to support free-loaders?
this is full of fail. govt acts we are against:
govt. starting 2 failed wars
govt. failed patriot act, govt run tsa, dept of homeland security etc...
govt. blocking equal rights for gays
govt. enforced war on drugs
govt. tax cuts to rich people who dont need nor deserve them.
govt. failed response to katrina
govt. trying to regulate health insurance instead of providing health care(single payer)
govt. loosening regulations, allowing lobbying
you are really too stupid to pinpoint govt acts the left disagrees with?
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Tucson shooter garden variety Bush-hating lefty: (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/16/us/16loughner.html?_r=2&adxnnl=1&pagewanted=3&adxnnlx=1295272816-mzPTbiXmgfYK5d56DmiDjg)
He became intrigued by antigovernment conspiracy theories, including that the Sept. 11 attacks were perpetrated by the government .... His anger would well up at the sight of President George W. Bush, or in discussing what he considered to be the nefarious designs of government.
The lefties have finally figured out he is one of them. The silence from the media is deafening. :users:
You realize that those who are anti-govenrment (at least those who haven't been sandbagged into becoming tea party members) typically maintain this position regardless of what party is in power? This kid, given his loosely held ability to understand what the hell was going on around him, seemed to subscribe (a stretch given his mental state) to the New World Order, Alex Jones, Trilateral Commission, paranoid, conspiracy subculture. These movements don't hold affiliations to the major political parties. They never will. Saying that he is anti-bush therefore he is a lefty is disingenuous. There are righties who were anti-Bush. Just like there are lefties who are anti-government.
Someone before mentioned the doc Loose Change. The Obama Deception and Zeitgeist pushes these theories even further. No one could describe these docs as "hit pieces" on either party it takes a broad stake against the government.
How can you be a lefty and anti-government? To whom are you going to pay your taxes to support free-loaders?
this is full of fail. govt acts we are against:
govt. starting 2 failed wars
govt. failed patriot act, govt run tsa, dept of homeland security etc...
govt. blocking equal rights for gays
govt. enforced war on drugs
govt. tax cuts to rich people who dont need nor deserve them.
govt. failed response to katrina gulf oil spill
govt. trying to regulate health insurance instead of providing health care(single payer)
govt. loosening regulations, allowing lobbying
you are really too stupid to pinpoint govt acts the left disagrees with?
So you are full-on anti Obama. Good for you.