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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: Trim on February 14, 2010, 03:45:29 AM
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http://www.themercury.com/K-StateSports/
1:24 of video of Frank post-Colorado.
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hmm...im gonna have to sleep on this...
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I guess Frank forgot about Patz!
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Huggins has said that same thing a number of times. Frank just has his back. It's total BS.
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http://www.themercury.com/K-StateSports/
1:24 of video of Frank post-Colorado.
possible that huggins ended initial efforts to take the recruits when martin and hill were hired?
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a shot at Calipari?
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It should be. Calipari is a schiester. Probably smells like ralph lauren and scotch.
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Huggins has said that same thing a number of times. Frank just has his back. It's total BS.
Yep. It's best for both of them to be "allies" now.
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I've never heard any rumblings that Bob tried to steal recruits from K-State... did I miss something? It would seem that there is still be quite a bit of respect between Bob and Frank.
I've always thought that Bill Walker gave Huggins everything he deserved in the locker room the day Huggs told the team he was leaving. I actually find myself rooting for WVU quite a bit these days. That said, if K-State ever meets up with them on the court, I hope we absolutely humiliate them. Weird of me to feel this way?
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I've never heard any rumblings that Bob tried to steal recruits from K-State... did I miss something? It would seem that there is still be quite a bit of respect between Bob and Frank.
I've always thought that Bill Walker gave Huggins everything he deserved in the locker room the day Huggs told the team he was leaving. I actually find myself rooting for WVU quite a bit these days. That said, if K-State ever meets up with them on the court, I hope we absolutely humiliate them. Weird of me to feel this way?
I tried to explain to Jeff one time how I could appreciate that Huggins brought us back from the basketball cellar while still having the utmost disdain for him. They aren't mutually exclusive.
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I've never heard any rumblings that Bob tried to steal recruits from K-State... did I miss something? It would seem that there is still be quite a bit of respect between Bob and Frank.
I've always thought that Bill Walker gave Huggins everything he deserved in the locker room the day Huggs told the team he was leaving. I actually find myself rooting for WVU quite a bit these days. That said, if K-State ever meets up with them on the court, I hope we absolutely humiliate them. Weird of me to feel this way?
I tried to explain to Jeff one time how I could appreciate that Huggins brought us back from the basketball cellar while still having the utmost disdain for him. They aren't mutually exclusive.
I'm with you. I don't hate him, I appreciate what he started, and honestly think the WV job was the only one he would bolt for. That said, I do hope he loses much more than he wins.
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I just don't want him to win a title. Good god that would be terrible. Like Prison Rape.
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I've never heard any rumblings that Bob tried to steal recruits from K-State... did I miss something? It would seem that there is still be quite a bit of respect between Bob and Frank.
I've always thought that Bill Walker gave Huggins everything he deserved in the locker room the day Huggs told the team he was leaving. I actually find myself rooting for WVU quite a bit these days. That said, if K-State ever meets up with them on the court, I hope we absolutely humiliate them. Weird of me to feel this way?
I tried to explain to Jeff one time how I could appreciate that Huggins brought us back from the basketball cellar while still having the utmost disdain for him. They aren't mutually exclusive.
I don't understand how anyone couldn't understand that. Seems the most sane position an EMAWer could take IMO.
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I've never heard any rumblings that Bob tried to steal recruits from K-State... did I miss something? It would seem that there is still be quite a bit of respect between Bob and Frank.
I've always thought that Bill Walker gave Huggins everything he deserved in the locker room the day Huggs told the team he was leaving. I actually find myself rooting for WVU quite a bit these days. That said, if K-State ever meets up with them on the court, I hope we absolutely humiliate them. Weird of me to feel this way?
I tried to explain to Jeff one time how I could appreciate that Huggins brought us back from the basketball cellar while still having the utmost disdain for him. They aren't mutually exclusive.
I don't understand how anyone couldn't understand that. Seems the most sane position an EMAWer could take IMO.
Could be that Jeff isn't a fan (pffftttt, allegedly)
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I tried to explain to Jeff one time how I could appreciate that Huggins brought us back from the basketball cellar while still having the utmost disdain for him. They aren't mutually exclusive.
I don't understand how anyone couldn't understand that. Seems the most sane position an EMAWer could take IMO.
Jeff and I got into it more than once on the same subject. I remember about losing my mind at the Scotch one night on this issue.
For an EMAW, hating Huggins while being happy that he got a DUI and eventually landed here which led to Frank and our eliteness is clearly the correct position. But I can understand that somebody who hasn't seen the EMAW bullets fly would just say, "what? You sucked. Huggs happened. Now you're top 10. Love him." :dunno:
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Huggins Wanted Staff, Recruits With Him at West Virginia
By: Curtis Kitchen, Sports Radio 810 Staff
(April 10, 2007) – Bob Huggins, it turns out, thought what he had working at Kansas State was so good he wanted to take it with him to West Virginia.
On Monday, new Kansas State associate head coach Dalonte Hill told Sports Radio 810 WHB’s Kevin Kietzman that Huggins extended the offer to join him in Morgantown to “every one of us,” in reference to the coaching staff.
Huggins’ contact didn’t stop with the coaches according to one Kansas State signee’s mother.
“I don’t know the exact content,” said Fatima Smith, the mother of Michael Beasley. “I don’t know exactly when the contact happened, but yeah, we talked. We discussed (Huggins’) decision and things like that.
“I guess (making contact) was the right thing to do for Bob since he was a big part of the recruiting process. Michael sent him on with his well wishes.”
According to the Collegiate Commissioners Association, which administers the Letter of Intent program for the NCAA (but leaves daily administrative duties to the Southeastern Conference), if Huggins did simply make a courtesy call to Beasley’s family notifying them of his decision to leave, he technically did nothing illegal as long as there was no attempt to recruit Beasley.
"All colleges and universities that participate in the NLI (national letter of intent) program agree to not recruit a prospective student-athlete once he/she signs an NLI with another college or university,” the CCA’s Web site said. “Therefore, a prospective student-athlete who signs an NLI should no longer receive recruiting contacts and calls."
Fellow K-State signee Dominique Sutton told the Manhattan Mercury last week that calls made from multiple schools to Beasley began almost immediately after Huggins’ departure, and they weren’t just wishing the pair K-State success.
“(Beasley) said there are three schools we could fit in — he talked to them already, N.C. State, USC, and Florida State. And that's just the first day. I'm sure others will call."
During a television interview a few days after Sutton’s comments, Beasley said he remained committed to Kansas State, but seemingly left the door slightly open to the possibility that he would suit up for another school next season, only putting the commitment at “70 percent.”
His mother, who said she is looking forward to a summer move to Manhattan after her younger children finish the current school year, said not to worry.
“Michael’s really witty with his words,” Smith said on Monday. “Keep asking him something over and over again, and he’ll change his answer, just to keep things in an uproar.
“He’s a prankster. He entertains people. He keeps people talking. Why he does it, I don’t know, because it’s a headache to me, but he just entertains.”
Beasley’s unofficial continued recruitment, however, is not a source of entertainment for K-State Athletic Director Tim Weiser, who has stood fast in his stance of making players honor their signed letter of intent and said doing so is “protecting our investment.”
It is believed that Weiser is exploring filing a grievance with the NCAA against one or more schools for their actions.
Rivals.com Basketball Recruiting Analyst Jerry Meyer said what has transpired with Beasley and Sutton is merely a regular part of the dirty recruiting game.
“It’s an assumption, but yes, Huggins tried to take at least some of those guys with him,” said Meyer, who spent last weekend covering an AAU tournament in Arkansas. “There was talk there about other coaches who were contacting those kids trying to get them.
“I think, in this business, it’s just understood that’s what is going to happen,” Meyer said. “There is the letter of the law, the spirit of the law and then a whole lot of gray. Recruiting takes place in the gray.
“People who follow recruiting and have been involved with it just understand that things like that happen. It doesn’t surprise me, and I hardly bat an eyelash to it. That’s just sort of the way it works.”
Huggins’ and others’ attempts apparently didn’t work, however. Since K-State announced last Friday that Frank Martin would become the new head coach, all four members of the Rivals.com top-ranked recruiting class (Beasley, Sutton, point guard Jacob Pullen and shooting guard Fred Brown) have stated they will honor their commitment.
“Kansas State was going to do whatever it took to keep that No. 1 recruiting class intact,” Meyer said. “So, my money was on what happened. Frank Martin would get the job in order to retain Dalonte Hill. He’s the key piece to this whole puzzle.
“Wherever he went, that’s where Beasley was going to go, and more than likely Dominique Sutton.”
Perhaps a bit larger surprise came Monday as it was revealed that strength-and-conditioning coach Scott Greenawalt, a Huggins hire whose work paid immediate dividends for Wildcats such as David Hoskins and Cartier Martin, will remain at K-State.
That announcement means it appears the only ones to make the move to West Virginia will be assistant Erik Martin, a former Cincinnati Bearcat player under Huggins, and K-State intern Josh Eilert, who will take over as Director of Basketball Operations.
Like it or loathe it, send your comments to: [email protected]
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possible that huggins ended initial efforts to take the recruits when martin and hill were hired?
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possible that huggins ended initial efforts to take the recruits when martin and hill were hired?
You can tell that when he said, "Hiring Frank was the only way to keep the recruits" or something to that effect.
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I just don't want him to win a title. Good god that would be terrible. Like Prison Rape.
Can't fathom what ku fans go through every time Roy wins a title.
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That announcement means it appears the only ones to make the move to West Virginia will be assistant Erik Martin, a former Cincinnati Bearcat player under Huggins, and K-State intern Josh Eilert, who will take over as Director of Basketball Operations.
Biggest WTF from this entire scenario might be Eilert going from a banker in BFE Kansas to a glorified manager on Wooly's staff to a member of a HOF coach's staff (on a top ten team) in the span of two years.
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possible that huggins ended initial efforts to take the recruits when martin and hill were hired?
You can tell that when he said, "Hiring Frank was the only way to keep the recruits" or something to that effect.
so, then it's entirely logical for martin to be appreciative of huggins not trying to take the recruits.
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I just don't want him to win a title. Good god that would be terrible. Like Prison Rape.
Can't fathom what ku fans go through every time Roy wins a title.
I accidentally called Allen Fieldhouse, "Williams Arena" yesterday, and it looked as though they wanted to bite my head off. It was an honest mistake because Williams Arena in Minnesota is very old and crappy as well. Glad to know I accidentally pissed off KU fans amidst our defeat.
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possible that huggins ended initial efforts to take the recruits when martin and hill were hired?
You can tell that when he said, "Hiring Frank was the only way to keep the recruits" or something to that effect.
so, then it's entirely logical for martin to be appreciative of huggins not trying to take the recruits.
Under your premise, Huggins not only bolted after a year but made himself our hiring committee. The appreciate/hate Huggs mindset still applies. Just because it worked out doesn't give Huggins a pass for making KSU his bitch. He didn't do it because he loves KSU. He did it to help one of his boys.
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Under your premise, Huggins not only bolted after a year but made himself our hiring committee. The appreciate/hate Huggs mindset still applies. Just because it worked out doesn't give Huggins a pass for making KSU his bitch. He didn't do it because he loves KSU. He did it to help one of his boys.
yeah, not saying it is necessarily logical for kstate fans to be appreciative. just that it is logical for martin (and i guess hill).
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who gives a crap?
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who gives a crap?
I need to believe in my Huggins hate.
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Under your premise, Huggins not only bolted after a year but made himself our hiring committee. The appreciate/hate Huggs mindset still applies. Just because it worked out doesn't give Huggins a pass for making KSU his bitch. He didn't do it because he loves KSU. He did it to help one of his boys.
yeah, not saying it is necessarily logical for kstate fans to be appreciative. just that it is logical for martin (and i guess hill).
Gotcha. I'm still arguing the "why sd/trim are incredulous that any EMAW doesn't want Huggs dead" point.
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It's easy for Huggins to say that he remained loyal to Martin and Hill when he knew that he had no shot at Beasley. I think he'd be crazy not to go after Beasley if he had a chance to land him.
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possible that huggins ended initial efforts to take the recruits when martin and hill were hired?
IMHO this is exactly what happened. Huggs wasn't going to mess over Frank and Dalonte, but guaranteed he could have Caliparied K-State if he had wanted to, but it would've been much worse for us. If Tim had went out and tried to get some SLTH, we'd be 2-7 right now and saying the same stupid stuff as Nebraska and Iowa State fans.
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No matter how you try to rationalize it, Huggins is a slimy POS. Always has been. Some of us recognized that he was a slimy POS while he was here and were okay with that. Others said, "No, he's really a good guy. He's just misunderstood." GMAFB. Yeah, he didn't pursue Beasley because he didn't want to steal him away from his coaching buddy. Maybe he learned his lesson about that from before when he stole Beasley away from his coaching buddy. GM another FB.
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No matter how you try to rationalize it, Huggins is a slimy POS. Always has been. Some of us recognized that he was a slimy POS while he was here and were okay with that. Others said, "No, he's really a good guy. He's just misunderstood." GMAFB. Yeah, he didn't pursue Beasley because he didn't want to steal him away from his coaching buddy. Maybe he learned his lesson about that from before when he stole Beasley away from his coaching buddy. GM another FB.
Agree with all of that.
But if I liked him in all his sliminess when he was here, so I have no reason to hate him at WV, not that I go out of my way to cheer for or follow the Eers.
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That announcement means it appears the only ones to make the move to West Virginia will be assistant Erik Martin, a former Cincinnati Bearcat player under Huggins, and K-State intern Josh Eilert, who will take over as Director of Basketball Operations.
Biggest WTF from this entire scenario might be Eilert going from a banker in BFE Kansas to a glorified manager on Wooly's staff to a member of a HOF coach's staff (on a top ten team) in the span of two years.
i can beat that. went to highschool w/ a guy that was a pretty good baseball player. didn't play a down of football in highschool though. somewhere around halfway through college he went to a super small college/school and played wide receiver. he just got announced as the chicago bears qb coach.
also, if i didn't know better i would swear that i am tampa2isdead from this chicago bears board that i just found when googling the guy. http://boards.chicagobears.com/forums/thread/2051551.aspx
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bears suck
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possible that huggins ended initial efforts to take the recruits when martin and hill were hired?
IMHO this is exactly what happened. Huggs wasn't going to mess over Frank and Dalonte, but guaranteed he could have Caliparied K-State if he had wanted to, but it would've been much worse for us. If Tim had went out and tried to get some SLTH, we'd be 2-7 right now and saying the same stupid stuff as Nebraska and Iowa State fans.
We need to be thankful that Huggs was slimy enough to force the Ws to hire Frank. Don't you all remember the "Beasley and the recruits all have signed LOI, a SLTH could still keep them" nonsense?
If Huggs doesn't give our "leadership" at the time no choice but to hire Frank or get "Caliparized" WTF do you think Wiser and Wefald would have done?
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We need to be thankful that Huggs was slimy enough to force the Ws to hire Frank. Don't you all remember the "Beasley and the recruits all have signed LOI, a SLTH could still keep them" nonsense?
If Huggs doesn't give our "leadership" at the time no choice but to hire Frank or get "Caliparized" WTF do you think Wiser and Wefald would have done?
Are you suggesting that Huggins is the only one who would have been interested in trying to take those recruits?
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That announcement means it appears the only ones to make the move to West Virginia will be assistant Erik Martin, a former Cincinnati Bearcat player under Huggins, and K-State intern Josh Eilert, who will take over as Director of Basketball Operations.
Biggest WTF from this entire scenario might be Eilert going from a banker in BFE Kansas to a glorified manager on Wooly's staff to a member of a HOF coach's staff (on a top ten team) in the span of two years.
i can beat that. went to highschool w/ a guy that was a pretty good baseball player. didn't play a down of football in highschool though. somewhere around halfway through college he went to a super small college/school and played wide receiver. he just got announced as the chicago bears qb coach.
also, if i didn't know better i would swear that i am tampa2isdead from this chicago bears board that i just found when googling the guy. http://boards.chicagobears.com/forums/thread/2051551.aspx
Seems like a good guy to know if he were umping in the city league when you were coaching a team of 4th graders to the city league title. i dunno, just got that hunch.
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who gives a crap?
Yeah I see what you did there :lol:
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We need to be thankful that Huggs was slimy enough to force the Ws to hire Frank. Don't you all remember the "Beasley and the recruits all have signed LOI, a SLTH could still keep them" nonsense?
If Huggs doesn't give our "leadership" at the time no choice but to hire Frank or get "Caliparized" WTF do you think Wiser and Wefald would have done?
Are you suggesting that Huggins is the only one who would have been interested in trying to take those recruits?
I believe Huggs was the threat that made Weiser and Wefald do the right thing and hire Frank as they were as upset with him leaving as some of our red ass fans still are today.
I am afraid if Huggs tells the them "I really appreciate you guys taking a chance on me and reabilitating my image so I will not try to take any commits" then we have a Mark Fox or Ritchie McKay for a coach and Wednesday's game against NU is one of the biggest of the season as we try to escape SLTH hell.
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possible that huggins ended initial efforts to take the recruits when martin and hill were hired?
IMHO this is exactly what happened. Huggs wasn't going to mess over Frank and Dalonte, but guaranteed he could have Caliparied K-State if he had wanted to, but it would've been much worse for us. If Tim had went out and tried to get some SLTH, we'd be 2-7 right now and saying the same stupid stuff as Nebraska and Iowa State fans.
Ultimately, we owe this success to Tim Weiser. Yes, he probably kept Wooldridge too long, but the hiring of Huggs and then keeping Frank and Dalonte was the absolute best thing that could have ever happened to K-State men's basketball. Wefald had a lot to do with this decision as well. Wefald really wanted to keep the players and wanted Weiser to do whatever it took to keep Beasley and Walker. So, that is what happened.
Also, how can anyone truly blame a coach for wanting to take players and staff with him to his alma mater and new coaching job? After all, he brought most of them anyway. When K-State wanted to keep Frank, Huggs backed off. Personally, the conspiracy theorist in me thinks that that his may have all been set up between Frank and Huggs when Huggs came to Manhattan. Really, any fan could tell that Huggs never really wanted to be here. I remember when Frank would fill in for Huggs on the radio and at the radio shows. I could tell that Frank enjoyed his job and had a fondness for the fans and Manhattan. Huggs never showed that.
Guys, Bob Huggins is not our enemy. I know many of you will disagree. To him, personally, WV was a better opportunity. Period. And look at us now. I say: "Thank you, Bog Huggins. Whether you knew it then or not, you done us good."
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Was just spotted walking through kci
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He is on the phone and somebody recognized him and asked to take a photo with him. Bob obliged but kept frowning and talking on the phone during the photo :lol:
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Update Bob is sitting in first, and just ordered a bourbon on the rocks. We have not pushed back yet
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Thought Huggs was a Johnny Blue guy. Can't understand him ordering bourbon unless he's already drunk.
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where is the flight going mocat?
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Dtw. He switched to white wine
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Let the guy drink in peace. Sheesh.
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lol
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i miss him so much.
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i miss him so much.
Yes.
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mocat was lit with huggins :Wha:
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can't wait for the tweet with new surveillance video of Skeeter passed out somewhere outside his home
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The photo op was one of the funniest things I've ever seen, maybe I did a bad job explaining it
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No, I :lol: 'd
Gonna win 'em all!
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The photo op was one of the funniest things I've ever seen, maybe I did a bad job explaining it
Someone asking for a photo while he was on the phone is a pretty dick move - Huggs was kinder than he needed to be.
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:surprised: is Huggs a delta guy? :gocho:
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Dtw. He switched to white wine
Liquor to wine? That's some A+ alcoholism right there, total pro.
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Dtw. He switched to white wine
Liquor to wine? That's some A+ alcoholism right there, total pro.
I use to do this on all of my international flights. 2 Jack and waters. A couple of wines with food. Another Jack and water or two. Sleep for 45 minutes. Watch movie/work/read. Coffee and breakfast. Land.
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Dtw. He switched to white wine
Liquor to wine? That's some A+ alcoholism right there, total pro.
I use to do this on all of my international flights. 2 Jack and waters. A couple of wines with food. Another Jack and water or two. Sleep for 45 minutes. Watch movie/work/read. Coffee and breakfast. Land.
good grief slobber
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I use to do this on all of my international flights. 2 Jack and waters. A couple of wines with food. Another Jack and water or two. Sleep for 45 minutes. Watch movie/work/read. Coffee and breakfast. Land.
no baileys with the coffee? :confused:
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Maybe belongs in shame thread. Or maybe a new thread: How I am similar to Huggins
Gonna win 'em all!
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I binge drink on airplanes on the reg. AMA.
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Maybe belongs in shame thread. Or maybe a new thread: How I am similar to Huggins
Gonna win 'em all!
brag about some stud thing thread
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Huggs' drinking exploits might make a good reality show. Now that we've had some insight to his domestic flight consumption, how about what he drinks for several 24-hour periods? Bloody Mary for breakfast? Multiple martinis at lunch? Sneaking a straight vodka or two during practice? Then a return to Johnny Blue to unwind when he gets home?
PPV material at least, I'd say.
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Maybe belongs in shame thread. Or maybe a new thread: How I am similar to Huggins
Gonna win 'em all!
brag about some stud thing thread
definitely stud
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Does oscar drink?
Snyder has been discussed on here
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oscar was seen buying a 30 pack of Old Mill from a liquor store during his first few months here.
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That sounds about right.
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Old Milwaukee is what I'd expect to drink after a round of golf with old, gray haired guys. oscar would fit right in.
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Earlier his summer I saw oscar walking across the liquor store parking lot I work at, didn't come in. Suspecting that he was headed to UMI's
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oscar was seen buying a 30 pack of Old Mill from a liquor store during his first few months here.
Probably still has it.