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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: _33 on December 21, 2010, 10:52:06 PM
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Make a 3 dumbass!
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Dude lost a rough ridin' tooth...he gets a pass on this one. Plenty of other players to hate on.
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Kansas State: R. McGruder 11 Pts, 10 Reb, 3 Stl, 1 Blk
:facepalm:
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Kansas State: R. McGruder 11 Pts, 10 Reb, 3 Stl, 1 Blk
And one tooth
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Kansas State: R. McGruder 11 Pts, 10 Reb, 3 Stl, 1 Blk
:facepalm:
Who cares? He missed a couple wide open 3's that we had to have.
TOOTH IS A LONG WAY FROM YOUR HEART GRUDS!
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He played great besides the making open 3s part (which we badly needed him to do tonight).
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_33 taking this one hard. Make a video or something.
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He played great besides the making open 3s part (which we badly needed him to do tonight).
what about all his defensive lapses?
did not play great.
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He played great besides the making open 3s part (which we badly needed him to do tonight).
what about all his defensive lapses?
did not play great.
Meh, I don't get too worked up about a couple back doors as much b/c of the way they are asked to play defense. Overall his game was good.
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He played great besides the making open 3s part (which we badly needed him to do tonight).
what about all his defensive lapses?
did not play great.
Meh, I don't get too worked up about a couple back doors as much b/c of the way they are asked to play defense. Overall his game was good.
i wouldnt worry about it once but when they keep going back to it and he doesnt make the adjustment or realize what is happening that is a problem.
he did play good. but he also made several mistakes.
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_33 taking this one hard. Make a video or something.
_33 not a good poster when we aren't doing well, but luckily we've played good more than bad over the past few years. I'm giving him a pass until he can sleep this one off.
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cant wait to see what rodney looks like tomorow.
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He played great besides the making open 3s part (which we badly needed him to do tonight).
what about all his defensive lapses?
did not play great.
Meh, I don't get too worked up about a couple back doors as much b/c of the way they are asked to play defense. Overall his game was good.
i wouldnt worry about it once but when they keep going back to it and he doesnt make the adjustment or realize what is happening that is a problem.
he did play good. but he also made several mistakes.
True. I'm just saying I get much more worried about McGruds missing open 3s than getting beat on a couple back doors.
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_33 taking this one hard. Make a video or something.
_33 not a good poster when we aren't doing well, but luckily we've played good more than bad over the past few years. I'm giving him a pass until he can sleep this one off.
Sorry I was mean to you km, but this statement is just not true. I'm an excellent poster regardless of how the team is doing.
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_33 taking this one hard. Make a video or something.
_33 not a good poster when we aren't doing well, but luckily we've played good more than bad over the past few years. I'm giving him a pass until he can sleep this one off.
Sorry I was mean to you km, but this statement is just not true. I'm an excellent poster regardless of how the team is doing.
I'm not worried about it, I'll be worried if you are still in meltdown mode tomorrow. The only negatives you can really take from this game is that asprilla sucks, spradler is below average, sometimes our team can't hit open 3s.
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He played great besides the making open 3s part (which we badly needed him to do tonight).
what about all his defensive lapses?
did not play great.
Meh, I don't get too worked up about a couple back doors as much b/c of the way they are asked to play defense. Overall his game was good.
i wouldnt worry about it once but when they keep going back to it and he doesnt make the adjustment or realize what is happening that is a problem.
he did play good. but he also made several mistakes.
True. I'm just saying I get much more worried about McGruds missing open 3s than getting beat on a couple back doors.
bad shooting nights happen, mental errors shouldnt.
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_33 taking this one hard. Make a video or something.
_33 not a good poster when we aren't doing well, but luckily we've played good more than bad over the past few years. I'm giving him a pass until he can sleep this one off.
Sorry I was mean to you km, but this statement is just not true. I'm an excellent poster regardless of how the team is doing.
I'm not worried about it, I'll be worried if you are still in meltdown mode tomorrow. The only negatives you can really take from this game is that asprilla sucks, spradler is below average, sometimes our team can't hit open 3s.
What are the positives? If you say that we "played hard" I'm going to punch your nuts off.
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_33 taking this one hard. Make a video or something.
_33 not a good poster when we aren't doing well, but luckily we've played good more than bad over the past few years. I'm giving him a pass until he can sleep this one off.
Sorry I was mean to you km, but this statement is just not true. I'm an excellent poster regardless of how the team is doing.
I'm not worried about it, I'll be worried if you are still in meltdown mode tomorrow. The only negatives you can really take from this game is that asprilla sucks, spradler is below average, sometimes our team can't hit open 3s.
What are the positives? If you say that we "played hard" I'm going to punch your nuts off.
held them to 63 points.
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_33 taking this one hard. Make a video or something.
_33 not a good poster when we aren't doing well, but luckily we've played good more than bad over the past few years. I'm giving him a pass until he can sleep this one off.
Sorry I was mean to you km, but this statement is just not true. I'm an excellent poster regardless of how the team is doing.
I'm not worried about it, I'll be worried if you are still in meltdown mode tomorrow. The only negatives you can really take from this game is that asprilla sucks, spradler is below average, sometimes our team can't hit open 3s.
What are the positives? If you say that we "played hard" I'm going to punch your nuts off.
Very solid defensive night, got back to the offensive boards, and had a good FT rate. If we can get Pullen and Kelly playing, we can clean up some of the offensive problems.
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_33 taking this one hard. Make a video or something.
_33 not a good poster when we aren't doing well, but luckily we've played good more than bad over the past few years. I'm giving him a pass until he can sleep this one off.
Sorry I was mean to you km, but this statement is just not true. I'm an excellent poster regardless of how the team is doing.
I'm not worried about it, I'll be worried if you are still in meltdown mode tomorrow. The only negatives you can really take from this game is that asprilla sucks, spradler is below average, sometimes our team can't hit open 3s.
What are the positives? If you say that we "played hard" I'm going to punch your nuts off.
Very solid defensive night, got back to the offensive boards, and had a good FT rate. If we can get Pullen and Kelly playing, we can clean up some of the offensive problems.
Damnit _FAN. Pullen and Kelly won't clean up anything. We would have lost even with them in the lineup tonight. Deep down inside your number crunching, stat loving brain you know that to be true.
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I think we win with pullen.
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I think we win with pullen.
Yeah, remember how we smashed Florida with him? If it's possible, Florida is even worse than UNLV.
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I think we win with pullen.
Yeah, remember how we smashed Florida with him? If it's possible, Florida is even worse than UNLV.
perfect logic
your amazing video making skills completely mitigates your shitty BBing :thumbsup:
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I think we win with pullen.
Yeah, remember how we smashed Florida with him? If it's possible, Florida is even worse than UNLV.
UNLV is not florida.
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When will you jackwagons realize that in Frank's defensive scheme, we're going to get backdoored on occasion, and it's the help-side defender that fails when the guy gets a layup? Sheez.
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When will you jackwagons realize that in Frank's defensive scheme, we're going to get backdoored on occasion, and it's the help-side defender that fails when the guy gets a layup? Sheez.
yes
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When will you jackwagons realize that in Frank's defensive scheme, we're going to get backdoored on occasion, and it's the help-side defender that fails when the guy gets a layup? Sheez.
thats not what frank said after the game...
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When will you jackwagons realize that in Frank's defensive scheme, we're going to get backdoored on occasion, and it's the help-side defender that fails when the guy gets a layup? Sheez.
thats not what frank said after the game...
Yeah I think he's actually really pissed this time, not doing it to teach a lesson or to appease shirt tucks
From Meek
http://cjonline.com/interact/blog/austin_meek/2010-12-22/postgame_unlv_63_k_state_59 (http://cjonline.com/interact/blog/austin_meek/2010-12-22/postgame_unlv_63_k_state_59)
Here's the extent of Frank Martin's comments on Jacob Pullen and Curtis Kelly, who were suspended before Tuesday's game for accepting impermissible benefits from a Manhattan department store.
As you may surmise, Martin was not a happy man.
Assistant sports information director Tom Gilbert began the postgame news conference by announcing K-State would not comment beyond the statement it released.
Here's the full transcript.
Q. Is Rodney OK?
A. That's part of playing sports. You get hit. You bleed a little bit.
Q. Frank, I don't want you to ... I know you said you guys wouldn't expand on the statement--
A. So why are you asking?
Q. I'm not asking you about it. How emotional--
A. I'm not speaking about people that are not here today.
Q. Did Rodney lose a tooth?
A. I got no idea. I don't know. I broke my nose three times. It's part of playing sports. He'll be all right.
Q. How do you think the guys who did play responded to being shorthanded?
A. We lost. Obviously not good enough. We're not about losing here. We're not about playing hard and coming up close and moral victories. That's not what we built our program about. We lost, so it wasn't good enough.
Q. Any hints of the leadership without those guys on the court?
A. You guys are trying to get under my skin today, aren't you? I've been pretty respectful of the media my whole career.
Q. I saw some guys--
A. I don't want to hear anything else about leadership about anyone other than the guys on the basketball court. I do not want you to refer any questions again about anybody who was not dressed and in uniform here today.
Q. It looked like Jamar and Rodney--
A. They tried. They tried. They tried. Until this team doesn't find that character and that leadership, we're going to continue to flounder around.
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When will you jackwagons realize that in Frank's defensive scheme, we're going to get backdoored on occasion, and it's the help-side defender that fails when the guy gets a layup? Sheez.
thats not what frank said after the game...
I listened to the presser. He said nothing about the wings getting backdoored. In fact, on the missed charge he was railing McG about, McG was the helpside defender.
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When will you jackwagons realize that in Frank's defensive scheme, we're going to get backdoored on occasion, and it's the help-side defender that fails when the guy gets a layup? Sheez.
thats not what frank said after the game...
I listened to the presser. He said nothing about the wings getting backdoored. In fact, on the missed charge he was railing McG about, McG was the helpside defender.
i'm w/ u on this, kougs
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In his chat with Wyatt Frank said something about Rodney getting backdoored three straight times off the same play and not fixing it. :dunno: Maybe he meant Rodney was supposed to be the help on those, because he also talked about he was pissed about Rodney failing to take the charge and giving up the 3-points play instead.
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I listened to the presser. He said nothing about the wings getting backdoored. In fact, on the missed charge he was railing McG about, McG was the helpside defender.
this may not be the right thread, but in the espn highlights (still available: http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/scoreboard ), you can see southwell completely lose his man, get backdoored and then take a step towards the sidelines in an apparent attempt to double a guy that doesn't have the ball. you can also see irving's vaunted on-ball d.
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I listened to the presser. He said nothing about the wings getting backdoored. In fact, on the missed charge he was railing McG about, McG was the helpside defender.
this may not be the right thread, but in the espn highlights (still available: http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/scoreboard ), you can see southwell completely lose his man, get backdoored and then take a step towards the sidelines in an apparent attempt to double a guy that doesn't have the ball. you can also see irving's vaunted on-ball d.
Yeah, not gonna lie, my Irving crusade took a bit of a hit last night.
Also, can't help but repeatedly :facepalm: at Jamar getting figuratively teabagged by that 6'2" guy at the end.
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So at what point does defending the backdoor become a point of emphasis??
Or, is the coaching staff hammering the backdoor situation home, and our little collection of shockingly low bbiq types on the team just not getting it.
For the love of the flying spaghetti monster, Lon Kruger and all Hartmanites have been running backdoor cuts on people since before Hank Iba was born . . . you mean to tell me that another Hartmanite in Undy's wasn't able to speak to that . . . or is our little collection of basketball anti-savants just not capable of understading this stuff??
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It's almost time for conference play. We no longer have "things to work on" , we have "weaknesses that will never go away."
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Or, is the coaching staff hammering the backdoor situation home, and our little collection of shockingly low bbiq types on the team just not getting it.
100% of our wings are either freshmen, relatively low minute sophomores, or rodney mcgruder. you are never going to get a group comprised of those type players to play hard ball denial d and still be able to recover on every backdoor cut.
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So at what point does defending the backdoor become a point of emphasis??
Or, is the coaching staff hammering the backdoor situation home, and our little collection of shockingly low bbiq types on the team just not getting it.
For the love of the flying spaghetti monster, Lon Kruger and all Hartmanites have been running backdoor cuts on people since before Hank Iba was born . . . you mean to tell me that another Hartmanite in Undy's wasn't able to speak to that . . . or is our little collection of basketball anti-savants just not capable of understading this stuff??
Focusing on the backdoors is a 'tard talking point. We have the 9th most efficient D in the country. Backdoor layups look bad and are easy for the casual basketball fan to identify; that's the only reason they're even being talked about over in Tardville right now. You're better than that, dax.
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Kougs . . . really hate it when you try and over compensate for all your time on K-Statefans with your "too cool for school" shtick.
The fact of the matter is, this team gets burned all the time on backdoor cuts . . . all the time. Just like this team regularly gets beat down the floor because they don't find the ball and recognize.
It is absolutely a big deal when a team is regularly giving up 8-10 points a game to other teams off the most basic play in the game and a play that is essentially Basketball 001 in terms of teaching how to defend. Getting burned multiple times on backdoor cuts last night came at crucial points in the game.
It's the same concept of when we become so caught up in flying to the ball that we leave good 3 point shooters standing all alone.
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I'm ok with us giving up 30 backdoor layups if we only give up 60 pts a game........which we did the last 2 games :dunno:
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Kougs . . . really hate it when you try and over compensate for all your time on K-Statefans with your "too cool for school" shtick.
The fact of the matter is, this team gets burned all the time on backdoor cuts . . . all the time. Just like this team regularly gets beat down the floor because they don't find the ball and recognize.
It is absolutely a big deal when a team is regularly giving up 8-10 points a game to other teams off the most basic play in the game and a play that is essentially Basketball 001 in terms of teaching how to defend. Getting burned multiple times on backdoor cuts last night came at crucial points in the game.
It's the same concept of when we become so caught up in flying to the ball that we leave good 3 point shooters standing all alone.
9th most efficient D in the country.
You can't do everything well. Clearly, Frank's strategy is to sacrifice some easy buckets in return for constant pressure on the ball and in passing lanes, resulting in high TO% and bad shot selection throughout games. His stats to date suggest it is a sound strategy.
In our two recent losses we've given up 57 and 63 points, respectively. And you're whining about backdoor cuts.
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Yeah, back door cuts are a fact of life when you play denial defense. The biggest problem is there is no weak side help when people are over playing 2 passes away. The backside post player should be sagging to recover help defense and we did that pretty well at times last night, but also screwed it up a few times.
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Kougs . . . really hate it when you try and over compensate for all your time on K-Statefans with your "too cool for school" shtick.
The fact of the matter is, this team gets burned all the time on backdoor cuts . . . all the time. Just like this team regularly gets beat down the floor because they don't find the ball and recognize.
It is absolutely a big deal when a team is regularly giving up 8-10 points a game to other teams off the most basic play in the game and a play that is essentially Basketball 001 in terms of teaching how to defend. Getting burned multiple times on backdoor cuts last night came at crucial points in the game.
It's the same concept of when we become so caught up in flying to the ball that we leave good 3 point shooters standing all alone.
9th most efficient D in the country.
You can't do everything well. Clearly, Frank's strategy is to sacrifice some easy buckets in return for constant pressure on the ball and in passing lanes, resulting in high TO% and bad shot selection throughout games. His stats to date suggest it is a sound strategy.
In our two recent losses we've given up 57 and 63 points, respectively. And you're whining about backdoor cuts.
I am "whining" about backdoor cuts when it allows the other team to get back into the game, take the lead and ultimately win . . . crazy huh??
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Exactly . . . our weakside has terrible recognition, and many times the posts have their back completely away from the play . . . you can't play that kind of denial defense and have such poor weakside help. Then comes the other problem, they get so engaged in weak side help that everyone leaves their guy to help.
It's an easy fix, but hey as long this causes us to lose the game, but our defensive efficency is still good, who cares right??
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Kougs . . . really hate it when you try and over compensate for all your time on K-Statefans with your "too cool for school" shtick.
The fact of the matter is, this team gets burned all the time on backdoor cuts . . . all the time. Just like this team regularly gets beat down the floor because they don't find the ball and recognize.
It is absolutely a big deal when a team is regularly giving up 8-10 points a game to other teams off the most basic play in the game and a play that is essentially Basketball 001 in terms of teaching how to defend. Getting burned multiple times on backdoor cuts last night came at crucial points in the game.
It's the same concept of when we become so caught up in flying to the ball that we leave good 3 point shooters standing all alone.
9th most efficient D in the country.
You can't do everything well. Clearly, Frank's strategy is to sacrifice some easy buckets in return for constant pressure on the ball and in passing lanes, resulting in high TO% and bad shot selection throughout games. His stats to date suggest it is a sound strategy.
In our two recent losses we've given up 57 and 63 points, respectively. And you're whining about backdoor cuts.
I am "whining" about backdoor cuts when it allows the other team to get back into the game, take the lead and ultimately win . . . crazy huh??
What's crazy is that you don't think it was the fact that we got a 6-point lead in the 2nd half, 40-34, and then scored just 2 points over the next 7 minutes and 10 seconds of play that led to our downfall.
Nope, it was those pesky backdoor cuts. GMAFB.
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What's crazy is that we have a "defense first" coach whose current system continously allows easy baskets from the most basic play in basketball in the most crucial parts of games.
Going long periods of time and not scoring is generally an acceptable outcome in JYC/Frankite land as long as they play good D and board.
But I suppose Kougs, you looked out on the court last night and told yourself we were going to shoot those fuckers right out of the building. :facepalm:
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I think what Dax is trying to say is that until we start giving up less than 50 pts. a game, our defense is atrocious. Please ignore that we were playing without our best on ball defender and best shot blocker and held opponent to 63 points. Thank you. :rolleyes:
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I think what Dax is trying to say is that until we start giving up less than 50 pts. a game, our defense is atrocious. Please ignore that we were playing without our best on ball defender and best shot blocker and held opponent to 63 points. Thank you. :rolleyes:
The way we got backdoored last night had nothing to do with missing anyone. It had everything to do with playing stupid defense and horrible weak side help. Playing ball denial 2 passes away on a guy 18 feet from the basket on the baseline?? Come on man.
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I think what Dax is trying to say is that until we start giving up less than 50 pts. a game, our defense is atrocious. Please ignore that we were playing without our best on ball defender and best shot blocker and held opponent to 63 points. Thank you. :rolleyes:
The way we got backdoored last night had nothing to do with missing anyone. It had everything to do with playing stupid defense and horrible weak side help. Playing ball denial 2 passes away on a guy 18 feet from the basket on the baseline?? Come on man.
Isn't that how we've played the last 4 years? :dunno:
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I think what Dax is trying to say is that until we start giving up less than 50 pts. a game, our defense is atrocious. Please ignore that we were playing without our best on ball defender and best shot blocker and held opponent to 63 points. Thank you. :rolleyes:
The way we got backdoored last night had nothing to do with missing anyone. It had everything to do with playing stupid defense and horrible weak side help. Playing ball denial 2 passes away on a guy 18 feet from the basket on the baseline?? Come on man.
Isn't that how we've played the last 4 years? :dunno:
No it isn't, the help should be there. However those mistakes happen sometimes when playing pressure d, freaking out about it is dumb. Most consider the source and ignore the drama queen/attention whore.
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Yeah, with guys like Dom who could recover. Ain't no Dom out there now.
Make it rain, I know you're still reeling from Date Night fail, but it's not a drama queen situation when the very plays being discussed are what basically turned the game in UNLV's favor. But I know you, you'll take every little thing as a personal affront and get all bitchy about it per usual right DaxBot2010??
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That was a preview of next years team. Minus Angel,the big gipper,and spic sensation Adrian Diaz.
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That was a preview of next years team. Minus Angel,the big gipper,and spic sensation Adrian Diaz.
racist much?
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I'm not racist. But seriously tho, tht was next yrs team on the floor. How many wins would they get? 19?
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I'm not racist. But seriously tho, tht was next yrs team on the floor. How many wins would they get? 19?
CBI! :driving:
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That was a preview of next years team. Minus Angel,the big gipper,and spic sensation Adrian Diaz.
Considering what "next year's team" from last night is currently lacking, Angel is a huge minus consideration though.
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BITB:
Game changed on a 14-2 run consisting of layups and FT's.
:thumbsup:
But, but defensive efficency Dax . . .
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BITB:
Game changed on a 14-2 run consisting of layups and FT's.
:thumbsup:
But, but defensive efficency Dax . . .
Congrats, you have the same BBIQ as Kevin Kietzman. :lol:
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We had great defensive eff against Alcorn State . . . cling to those things Kougs, cling to those things.
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Hey Kougs, UNLV just got back in the lead using backdoor cuts. Kougs: But, but Dax, look at our season long defensive eff stats.
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so wait, dax, you think our defense is bad?
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so wait, dax, you think our defense is bad?
Somewhat well played. :blank:
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We had great defensive eff against Alcorn State . . . cling to those things Kougs, cling to those things.
:thumbsup:
Hey Kougs, UNLV just got back in the lead using backdoor cuts. Kougs: But, but Dax, look at our season long defensive eff stats.
Their backdoor cuts didn't hold us to 2 freaking points during that 7+ minute stretch. I can't believe I have to spell that out for you.
Well, actually, I can believe it.
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You cling to the "k-state went cold" talking point as if its some kind of giant surprise that K-State can't or couldn't score. Welcome to the whole rough ridin' year Kougs.
Reconcile yourself to the reality that your defensive eff stats don't mean crap when in the bigger games of the year, the other team gets easy basket after easy basket on the simplest rough ridin' offensive play in the game. The turning point of the game last night was on easy layups for the other team.
So just where in the whole "defense first" "JYC" shtick does giving up repeated back door cut layups reside??
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You cling to the "k-state went cold" talking point as if its some kind of giant surprise that K-State can't or couldn't score. Welcome to the whole effing year Kougs.
You cling to the "backdoor cuts!" talking point as if it's some kind of giant surprise that K-State gives up some easy buckets in its pressure-the-passing-lanes defense. Welcome to the whole effing Frank Martin era dax.
As for scoring, we scored the 12th most PPG in the nation last year, so you acting like Frank desires some sort of Big 10 type of game only lowers your BBIQ further.
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That was a preview of next years team. Minus Angel,the big gipper,and spic sensation Adrian Diaz.
Considering what "next year's team" from last night is currently lacking, Angel is a huge minus consideration though.
Yeah, next year's team will be on the bubble.
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A lot of the people who are upset about "not defending the backdoor cuts" are the same people harping about "making your free throws".
That is, in general. Obviously not on this board.
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A lot of the people who are upset about "not defending the backdoor cuts" are the same people harping about "making your free throws".
That is, in general. Obviously not on this board.
Well, to be fair, when there are a bunch of things a team does wrong, a few points here and a few points there starts to add up. It isn't as simple as "make your free throws" or "defend the backdoor cuts." This team needs to do a lot of things better, including free throws.
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A lot of the people who are upset about "not defending the backdoor cuts" are the same people harping about "making your free throws".
That is, in general. Obviously not on this board.
Well, to be fair, when there are a bunch of things a team does wrong, a few points here and a few points there starts to add up. It isn't as simple as "make your free throws" or "defend the backdoor cuts." This team needs to do a lot of things better, including free throws.
The "missing lay-ups" point is the one I'm concerned with.
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A lot of the people who are upset about "not defending the backdoor cuts" are the same people harping about "making your free throws".
That is, in general. Obviously not on this board.
Well, to be fair, when there are a bunch of things a team does wrong, a few points here and a few points there starts to add up. It isn't as simple as "make your free throws" or "defend the backdoor cuts." This team needs to do a lot of things better, including free throws.
The "missing lay-ups" point is the one I'm concerned with.
Expecting to make every lay-up is about as realistic as expecting to shoot 75% from the free throw line as a team. The team needs to miss less layups, not get burned as often on back door cuts, commit fewer turnovers, miss less wide open 3's, make more free throws, inbound the ball better, and just stop being weak around the basket in general.
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A lot of the people who are upset about "not defending the backdoor cuts" are the same people harping about "making your free throws".
That is, in general. Obviously not on this board.
Well, to be fair, when there are a bunch of things a team does wrong, a few points here and a few points there starts to add up. It isn't as simple as "make your free throws" or "defend the backdoor cuts." This team needs to do a lot of things better, including free throws.
The "missing lay-ups" point is the one I'm concerned with.
Expecting to make every lay-up is about as realistic as expecting to shoot 75% from the free throw line as a team. The team needs to miss less layups, not get burned as often on back door cuts, commit fewer turnovers, miss less wide open 3's, make more free throws, inbound the ball better, and just stop being weak around the basket in general.
Should have said "missing numerous lay-ups". I understand having an off-night, but that was two games in a row. But no, I do not expect to make every lay-up.
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Look KougsTooCoolForSchoolWannabe . . . I know it's never easy for you, but teams can actually over play the passing lanes and NOT get consistantly torn to shreds by backdoor cuts. Teams do it all the time, this isn't hard. This is D1 basketball, things like weak side help and recovery etc. etc. have been taught to these guys since middle school. Plus, what have I said about Frank wanting to push the ball and score more points in this thread . . . oh yeah, nothing . . . that's Frank Martin Basketball 002. Then again, you actually have to have players that can actually do that well, you have to recruit them. If you want to push the ball like you had Denny do, then here's a clue, recruit more rough ridin' Denny's, not Will Spradlings, not Tay Irvings, not Nick Russell's. But I digress.
So let's see, you keep rolling out crap like "def eff %" and I keep talking about how in last nights game, and in all 3 losses this year K-State has been ripped to pieces by backdoor cuts, and by not finding the ball and recovering in defensive transition. Yet for the "too cool for school" crowd that's a "tard talking point" really . . . really?? It's almost like the Frankites and GoEmawTards want to wear the "oh but we get out in the passing lanes" like it's some great badge of honor or something.
How many more FT's have to clank off the rim, how long does K-State have to shoot less than 55% from the line, with game after game going 14 for 26 or 13 for 27 before it becomes a big deal?? How can you expect to go anywhere where with JYC style basketball if you can't even shoot 65% from the line?? You can't, end of discussion.
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:flush:
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Everyone should just probably tap out now.
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Everyone should just probably tap out now.
Before I do, can I ask where "defending backdoor cuts" places on your ranked list of "Things That Need Improvement"?
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Everyone should just probably tap out now.
Before I do, can I ask where "defending backdoor cuts" places on your ranked list of "Things That Need Improvement"?
2nd, right behind recruiting.
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Everyone should just probably tap out now.
Before I do, can I ask where "defending backdoor cuts" places on your ranked list of "Things That Need Improvement"?
2nd, right behind recruiting.
I still think every defensive scheme has a weakness or two, and the weakness in ours is the backdoor cut. But everything else about it is great. It seems that it's pretty uncommon for our opponents to take a decent shot unless they are in transition or because of the occasional backdoor.
Admittedly, you know significantly more about basketball than I do, but I'm by no means Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). I still think that we would end up relieving a significant amount of pressure somewhere in order to prevent backdoor cuts. If it happens once/when it happens the first time, I think we should make that adjustment so they don't do it 3-4 times in a row like last night, but then switch back to what seems to be a defensive scheme that is working.
All this to say, I tend to agree with the mindset that our offense is designed for play makers, and that's who we need to be recruiting. If our offense is something you think can be fixed by recruiting, then yeah, recruiting is definitely the biggest concern. But I get 10x more frustrated seeing 250lb men go up soft for a lay-up than I do seeing us get scored on because of a backdoor cut. So in terms of things that are of immediate concern, this is the one that keeps glaring me in the face.
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Look KougsTooCoolForSchoolWannabe . . . I know it's never easy for you, but teams can actually over play the passing lanes and NOT get consistantly torn to shreds by backdoor cuts. Teams do it all the time, this isn't hard ...
So let's see, you keep rolling out crap like "def eff %" and I keep talking about how in last nights game, and in all 3 losses this year K-State has been ripped to pieces by backdoor cuts
I love how you keep acting like we're giving up 40 points a game on backdoor cuts. We gave up, what, 6 points on uncontested backdoors against UNLV? Ooooo, the horror.
Kyrie Irving did indeed shred us in the Duke game, but in our other two losses, we gave up 57 and 63 points. So not only did those teams not "shred us with backdoor cuts," they didn't "shred us" with anything.
You see back-to-back backdoors in the UNLV game, and in your casual, LBBIQ mind you can't think of anything else in your mental review of the game's takeaways.
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Look KougsTooCoolForSchoolWannabe . . . I know it's never easy for you, but teams can actually over play the passing lanes and NOT get consistantly torn to shreds by backdoor cuts. Teams do it all the time, this isn't hard ...
So let's see, you keep rolling out crap like "def eff %" and I keep talking about how in last nights game, and in all 3 losses this year K-State has been ripped to pieces by backdoor cuts
I love how you keep acting like we're giving up 40 points a game on backdoor cuts. We gave up, what, 6 points on uncontested backdoors against UNLV? Ooooo, the horror.
Kyrie Irving did indeed shred us in the Duke game, but in our other two losses, we gave up 57 and 63 points. So not only did those teams not "shred us with backdoor cuts," they didn't "shred us" with anything.
You see back-to-back backdoors in the UNLV game, and in your casual, LBBIQ mind you can't think of anything else in your mental review of the game's takeaways.
This. Jezzus backdoor cuts are frustrating and all but our defense has been incredible. The reason we aren't winnng has a little less than ZERO to do with our defense. People see us get burned on a few backdoor cuts and all of a sudden our defense sucks. :facepalm:
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Look KougsTooCoolForSchoolWannabe . . . I know it's never easy for you, but teams can actually over play the passing lanes and NOT get consistantly torn to shreds by backdoor cuts. Teams do it all the time, this isn't hard ...
So let's see, you keep rolling out crap like "def eff %" and I keep talking about how in last nights game, and in all 3 losses this year K-State has been ripped to pieces by backdoor cuts
I love how you keep acting like we're giving up 40 points a game on backdoor cuts. We gave up, what, 6 points on uncontested backdoors against UNLV? Ooooo, the horror.
Kyrie Irving did indeed shred us in the Duke game, but in our other two losses, we gave up 57 and 63 points. So not only did those teams not "shred us with backdoor cuts," they didn't "shred us" with anything.
You see back-to-back backdoors in the UNLV game, and in your casual, LBBIQ mind you can't think of anything else in your mental review of the game's takeaways.
This. Jezzus backdoor cuts are frustrating and all but our defense has been incredible. The reason we aren't winnng has a little less than ZERO to do with our defense. People see us get burned on a few backdoor cuts and all of a sudden our defense sucks. :facepalm:
While I agree our defense has been good we have some very glaring lappses at times. And they often come at bad times in the game. UNLV they allowed them to come back and take the lead, and really kills any momentum KSU might have had.
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TAP OUTS ALL AROUND
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Look KougsTooCoolForSchoolWannabe . . . I know it's never easy for you, but teams can actually over play the passing lanes and NOT get consistantly torn to shreds by backdoor cuts. Teams do it all the time, this isn't hard ...
So let's see, you keep rolling out crap like "def eff %" and I keep talking about how in last nights game, and in all 3 losses this year K-State has been ripped to pieces by backdoor cuts
I love how you keep acting like we're giving up 40 points a game on backdoor cuts. We gave up, what, 6 points on uncontested backdoors against UNLV? Ooooo, the horror.
Kyrie Irving did indeed shred us in the Duke game, but in our other two losses, we gave up 57 and 63 points. So not only did those teams not "shred us with backdoor cuts," they didn't "shred us" with anything.
You see back-to-back backdoors in the UNLV game, and in your casual, LBBIQ mind you can't think of anything else in your mental review of the game's takeaways.
This. Jezzus backdoor cuts are frustrating and all but our defense has been incredible. The reason we aren't winnng has a little less than ZERO to do with our defense. People see us get burned on a few backdoor cuts and all of a sudden our defense sucks. :facepalm:
While I agree our defense has been good we have some very glaring lappses at times. And they often come at bad times in the game. UNLV they allowed them to come back and take the lead, and really kills any momentum KSU might have had.
You know what really kills momentum? Scoring 2 points in over 7 minutes.
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Which came first the backdoors or the 2 pts in 7 mins? Maybe the backdoors caused the lapses on offense (momentum shift). I think it was the backdoors because they kind of ended our 14-2 run. I get your point scoring points and I agree but giving up easy buckets can really demoralize a team on both ends of the floor.
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Which came first the backdoors or the 2 pts in 7 mins? Maybe the backdoors caused the lapses on offense (momentum shift). I think it was the backdoors because they kind of ended our 14-2 run. I get your point scoring points and I agree but giving up easy buckets can really demoralize a team on both ends of the floor.
So your argument is that giving up 2 backdoors caused us to miss repeated bunnies and open shots on the other end of the floor?
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and free throws.
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Which came first the backdoors or the 2 pts in 7 mins? Maybe the backdoors caused the lapses on offense (momentum shift). I think it was the backdoors because they kind of ended our 14-2 run. I get your point scoring points and I agree but giving up easy buckets can really demoralize a team on both ends of the floor.
So your argument is that giving up 2 backdoors caused us to miss repeated bunnies and open shots on the other end of the floor?
When it rains it pours, murphy's law etc... Bad things come in bunches. So yes in a round about way those started us on a bad stretch. That is why it is call momentum are you a powermc?
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When it rains it pours, murphy's law etc... Bad things come in bunches.
:facepalm:
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When it rains it pours, murphy's law etc... Bad things come in bunches.
:facepalm:
Yep powermc.
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Smoking' hot gruds. Don't let it go to your head and start taking cocky quick shots.
When it rains it pours, murphy's law etc... Bad things come in bunches.
And
Lrn2Science
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Smoking' hot gruds. Don't let it go to your head and start taking cocky quick shots. deep discounts at Dillards.
When it rains it pours, murphy's law etc... Bad things come in bunches.
And
Lrn2Science
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Multple backdoors given up tonight, thankfully we either fouled or they missed a dunk, Frank rips guys up off the bench and subs after each one . . . clearly not a concern though.
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Multple backdoors given up tonight, thankfully we either fouled or they missed a dunk, Frank rips guys up off the bench and subs after each one . . . clearly not a concern though.
ZOMG did you see the back door mcgruder gave those roo's in the first half :love: :love:
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Multple backdoors given up tonight, thankfully we either fouled or they missed a dunk, Frank rips guys up off the bench and subs after each one . . . clearly not a concern though.
ZOMG did you see the back door mcgruder gave those roo's in the first half :love: :love:
Fantastic.
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umkc won, 5 backdoors to zero tonight.
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umkc won, 5 backdoors to zero tonight.
We had one to Russell. It was beautiful.
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umkc won, 5 backdoors to zero tonight.
They shot lights out from the ft line as well, did things the right way tonight
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umkc won, 5 backdoors to zero tonight.
They shot lights out from the ft line as well, did things the right way tonight
I sat next to a couple of fans that would keep a running total of our FT % the entire game. "Now at 40%". "Yep.". "Maybe Pullen can do FT shooting practice while he's out." "Etc."
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Idiots. Out in droves on GPC right now.
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I sat next to a couple of fans that would keep a running total of our FT % the entire game. "Now at 40%". "Yep.". "Maybe Pullen can do FT shooting practice while he's out." "Etc."
that's fantastic.
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umkc won, 5 backdoors to zero tonight.
They shot lights out from the ft line as well, did things the right way tonight
I sat next to a couple of fans that would keep a running total of our FT % the entire game. "Now at 40%". "Yep.". "Maybe Pullen can do FT shooting practice while he's out." "Etc."
...That was dax.