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....the suspense.....
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National Titles
This category will include both NCAA titles and Helms titles that were not won in the same year.
:lol: :flush:
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it's not arrogance if its true!!!!
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That's freaking sweet. I love how UNC's 1 national title lead has the same value as KU's 10 game all-time win lead.
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kentucky benefitted from a crappy sec. had nothing to do with kentucky being really good all those years.
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That's freaking sweet. I love how UNC's 1 national title lead has the same value as KU's 10 game all-time win lead.
I figured the rebel board would lead to a rebel mindset...guess not.
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That's freaking sweet. I love how UNC's 1 national title lead has the same value as KU's 10 game all-time win lead.
I figured the rebel board would lead to a rebel mindset...guess not.
it never really did. the entire phog.net group think transferred to the new site with no problems. the only difference between their two boards is that one allows them to swear and post pics of EDF and the other doesn't.
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Gem of a thread. My favorite is "Tradition"
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Loved when the guy said that kansas was responsible for the kentucky and unc programs because smith and rupp were assistants at ku. does that mean k-state is responsible for 10 NBA championships because of tex winter? :ck:
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That's freaking sweet. I love how UNC's 1 national title lead has the same value as KU's 10 game all-time win lead.
I figured the rebel board would lead to a rebel mindset...guess not.
it never really did. the entire phog.net group think transferred to the new site with no problems. the only difference between their two boards is that one allows them to swear and post pics of EDF and the other doesn't.
"Home Court Advantage"
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Loved when the guy said that kansas was responsible for the kentucky and unc programs because smith and rupp were assistants at ku. does that mean k-state is responsible for 10 NBA championships because of tex winter? :ck:
Also, I think that makes us responsible for modern era OU football, KU's orange bowl, etc.
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That's freaking sweet. I love how UNC's 1 national title lead has the same value as KU's 10 game all-time win lead.
Probably has to do with the fact that ku should have won the title in 2010, 2003, 1991, etc.
Clearly ku should have several more national titles than they really do, it's just fluke that they didn't win any of those tournaments.
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Conference titles are worth just as much as national championships. That makes sense.
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Conference titles are worth just as much as national championships. That makes sense.
Actually, he went back and weighted everything, and the results stayed the same.
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Conference titles are worth just as much as national championships. That makes sense.
Actually, he went back and weighted everything, and the results stayed the same.
:lol:
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Loved when the guy said that kansas was responsible for the kentucky and unc programs because smith and rupp were assistants at ku. does that mean k-state is responsible for 10 NBA championships because of tex winter? :ck:
Also, I think that makes us responsible for modern era OU football, KU's orange bowl, etc.
Banner time?
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Loved when the guy said that kansas was responsible for the kentucky and unc programs because smith and rupp were assistants at ku. does that mean k-state is responsible for 10 NBA championships because of tex winter? :ck:
Also, I think that makes us responsible for modern era OU football, KU's orange bowl, etc.
God damn we are awesome. Probably the best school ever. :gocho:
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Been meaning to troll that thread, but I keep getting distracted by chemhawk :emawkid:
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Probably has to do with the fact that ku should have won the title in 2010, 2003, 1991, etc.
Clearly ku should have several more national titles than they really do, it's just fluke that they didn't win any of those tournaments.
They got compensation Helms NCs for those years.
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The lack of any real discussion on this subject says all you need to know about K-State basketball.
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The lack of any real discussion on this subject says all you need to know about K-State basketball.
:jerk:
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The lack of any real discussion on this subject says all you need to know about K-State basketball.
:lol:
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The University of Kansas needs to be docked several points for being on probation during, or around the same time it won its 3 National Titles.
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Quick... name another program besides KU basketball that hasn't had a "down" year in the past 20+ years.
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Quick... name another program besides KU basketball that hasn't had a "down" year in the past 20+ years.
Quick... name several programs besides KU who have had multiple "down" years in the past 20 years but still have more than 1 national title in that span.
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Quick... name another program besides KU basketball that hasn't had a "down" year in the past 20+ years.
You've convinced me. KU is the Greatest All-Time Best Program. :surprised:
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Does ku have a winning record against those other programs? I was under the impression that ku had losing records to all of them.
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This is better than a husker thread
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Quick... name another program besides KU basketball that hasn't had a "down" year in the past 20+ years.
Quick... name several programs besides KU who have had multiple "down" years in the past 20 years but still have more than 1 national title in that span.
KU has two national titles in the past 20+ years.
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Does ku have a winning record against those other programs? I was under the impression that ku had losing records to all of them.
Kentucky owns the series record 19-6. :horrorsurprise:
UCLA owns the series record 10-5. :surprised:
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Quick... name another program besides KU basketball that hasn't had a "down" year in the past 20+ years.
Quick... name several programs besides KU who have had multiple "down" years in the past 20 years but still have more than 1 national title in that span.
KU has two national titles in the past 20+ years.
FYI, every school that has more than one championship has two in the past 20+ years. go cats.
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Quick... name another program besides KU basketball that hasn't had a "down" year in the past 20+ years.
Quick... name several programs besides KU who have had multiple "down" years in the past 20 years but still have more than 1 national title in that span.
KU has two national titles in the past 20+ years.
FYI, every school that has more than one championship has two in the past 20+ years. go cats.
Do all of them have seven Final Fours?
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This is better than a husker thread
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Quick... name another program besides KU basketball that hasn't had a "down" year in the past 20+ years.
Quick... name several programs besides KU who have had multiple "down" years in the past 20 years but still have more than 1 national title in that span.
KU has two national titles in the past 20+ years.
Only 2?
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Duke owns the series record 6-2. :blank:
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Duke owns the series record 6-2. :blank:
to be the best you just have to avoid playing the best when it matters.
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if ku isn't found to be the bluest of the blue bloods then it's the conference's fault for not being better and making ku stronger.
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I love how anyone can even think that it isn't UCLA.
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Does ku have a winning record against those other programs? I was under the impression that ku had losing records to all of them.
Yeah this should be put into account on there little chart thingy. Also Tradition :blah: :blah: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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I love how anyone can even think that it isn't UCLA.
It's not UCLA.
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I mentioned KU to a Duke fan at the Sprint Center and he just laughed.
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Need another category for D league All Stars.
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That whole thread reeks of desperation... I'm betting Duke, NC, UK1 and UCLA don't go around throwing in as many different categories as it takes to make them look like the best program of all time....
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There is no doubt that KU bball is really good and one of the top programs in history. Still, I found it humorous that the OP basically "made up" the final two categories, placing KU in the 1 position in both of them and thus earning the most points.
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kentucky benefitted from a crappy sec. had nothing to do with kentucky being really good all those years.
I love seeing this talking point from Kansas fans when Kentucky has more national championships and less conference championships than them. It seems that maybe the argument should be applied to Kansas.
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There is no doubt that KU bball is really good and one of the top programs in history. Still, I found it humorous that the OP basically "made up" the final two categories, placing KU in the 1 position in both of them and thus earning the most points.
This, those catagories are too subjective and should be tossed out. Or at least have a non biased observer make the call on Tradition and Home court advantage (I have a Canadian Friend who might make help).
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Need another category for D league All Stars.
Signed,
Denis Clemente
(and-soon-to-be Jacob Pullen)
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I mentioned KU to a Duke fan at the Sprint Center and he just laughed.
Fact. I tried to defend them....but no, when you bring up Helms titles, you have lost. I was shamed
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I like how national titles and this "tradition" are weighted as the same
AND KU STILL CAME OUT AHEAD :horrorsurprise:
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Need another category for D league All Stars.
Signed,
Denis Clemente
(and-soon-to-be Jacob Pullen)
We recruit D league players efftard.
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glad our fans aren't prone to spewing self-inflating pablum. because we have a great deal we could annoy the rest of the big 12 with. inventing the tutor, for example.
These kids get a ton of academic support to help them through school (KSU was an innovator in this area, and the rest of the nation has followed suit with their student-athletes).
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Denis isn't in the d-league :ck:
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Need another category for D league All Stars.
Signed,
Denis Clemente
(and-soon-to-be Jacob Pullen)
Missed where we were trying to be the bluest?
Also I had to research what a Helms title actually was. :frown:
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Need another category for D league All Stars.
Signed,
Denis Clemente
(and-soon-to-be Jacob Pullen)
Missed where we were trying to be the bluest?
Also I had to research what a Helms title actually was. :frown:
It's a pretty LOLworthy day when you actually take the time to research what a Helms title actually is.
person who reads what a Helms title is for the first time = :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Beems, congrats on taking home the weighted titles of tradition and home court advantage
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You can safely ignore the entire analysis when UCLA comes in 4th using the out-of-your-ass scoring system. 11 national titles and 18 Final 4 appearances apparently aren't as strong as the subjective crap measured in that thread. What a self-delusional joke.
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You can safely ignore the entire analysis when UCLA comes in 4th using the out-of-your-ass scoring system. 11 national titles and 18 Final 4 appearances apparently aren't as strong as the subjective crap measured in that thread. What a self-delusional joke.
Spoken like someone who doesn't know sh*t about basketball.
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The University of Kansas needs to be docked several points for being on probation during, or around the same time it won its 3 National Titles.
Does being the only school to not be allowed to defend one of its titles fall under "Tradition"?
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The University of Kansas needs to be docked several points for being on probation during, or around the same time it won its 3 National Titles.
Does being the only school to not be allowed to defend one of its titles fall under "Tradition"?
It falls under "haters", which fortunately for KU fans provides positive points.
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You can safely ignore the entire analysis when UCLA comes in 4th using the out-of-your-ass scoring system. 11 national titles and 18 Final 4 appearances apparently aren't as strong as the subjective crap measured in that thread. What a self-delusional joke.
Spoken like someone who doesn't know sh*t about basketball.
this isn't a basketball thread, it's a let's make fun of the typical ku homer thread. surely you can understand why we think it's hilarious that a bunch of ku bbs'rs have been pulling together a bunch of crap under the guise of analysis and then awarding themselves the bluest of the blue blood ranking.
:dunno:
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You can safely ignore the entire analysis when UCLA comes in 4th using the out-of-your-ass scoring system. 11 national titles and 18 Final 4 appearances apparently aren't as strong as the subjective crap measured in that thread. What a self-delusional joke.
Spoken like someone who doesn't know sh*t about basketball.
this isn't a basketball thread, it's a let's make fun of the typical ku homer thread. surely you can understand why we think it's hilarious that a bunch of ku bbs'rs have been pulling together a bunch of crap under the guise of analysis and then awarding themselves the bluest of the blue blood ranking.
:dunno:
ESPN ranked KU the 2nd-best program of all-time a couple years ago. Obviously they're just biased.
:jerk:
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You can safely ignore the entire analysis when UCLA comes in 4th using the out-of-your-ass scoring system. 11 national titles and 18 Final 4 appearances apparently aren't as strong as the subjective crap measured in that thread. What a self-delusional joke.
Spoken like someone who doesn't know sh*t about basketball.
this isn't a basketball thread, it's a let's make fun of the typical ku homer thread. surely you can understand why we think it's hilarious that a bunch of ku bbs'rs have been pulling together a bunch of crap under the guise of analysis and then awarding themselves the bluest of the blue blood ranking.
:dunno:
ESPN ranked KU the 2nd-best program of all-time a couple years ago. Obviously they're just biased.
:jerk:
i guess the guys at waving the wheat know more than the guys at espn
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You can safely ignore the entire analysis when UCLA comes in 4th using the out-of-your-ass scoring system. 11 national titles and 18 Final 4 appearances apparently aren't as strong as the subjective crap measured in that thread. What a self-delusional joke.
Spoken like someone who doesn't know sh*t about basketball.
this isn't a basketball thread, it's a let's make fun of the typical ku homer thread. surely you can understand why we think it's hilarious that a bunch of ku bbs'rs have been pulling together a bunch of crap under the guise of analysis and then awarding themselves the bluest of the blue blood ranking.
:dunno:
ESPN ranked KU the 2nd-best program of all-time a couple years ago. Obviously they're just biased.
:jerk:
i guess the guys at waving the wheat know more than the guys at espn
Yeah, it takes a real homer to bump a program from 2nd to 1st on an arbitrary "best of all-time" list.
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You can safely ignore the entire analysis when UCLA comes in 4th using the out-of-your-ass scoring system. 11 national titles and 18 Final 4 appearances apparently aren't as strong as the subjective crap measured in that thread. What a self-delusional joke.
Spoken like someone who doesn't know sh*t about basketball.
this isn't a basketball thread, it's a let's make fun of the typical ku homer thread. surely you can understand why we think it's hilarious that a bunch of ku bbs'rs have been pulling together a bunch of crap under the guise of analysis and then awarding themselves the bluest of the blue blood ranking.
:dunno:
ESPN ranked KU the 2nd-best program of all-time a couple years ago. Obviously they're just biased.
:jerk:
i guess the guys at waving the wheat know more than the guys at espn
Yeah, it takes a real homer to bump a program from 2nd to 1st on an arbitrary "best of all-time" list.
It takes a real homer to arbitrarily claim the best tradition and that it is worth as much as someone who has won over twice as many titles
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You can safely ignore the entire analysis when UCLA comes in 4th using the out-of-your-ass scoring system. 11 national titles and 18 Final 4 appearances apparently aren't as strong as the subjective crap measured in that thread. What a self-delusional joke.
Spoken like someone who doesn't know sh*t about basketball.
this isn't a basketball thread, it's a let's make fun of the typical ku homer thread. surely you can understand why we think it's hilarious that a bunch of ku bbs'rs have been pulling together a bunch of crap under the guise of analysis and then awarding themselves the bluest of the blue blood ranking.
:dunno:
ESPN ranked KU the 2nd-best program of all-time a couple years ago. Obviously they're just biased.
:jerk:
:surprised: :horrorsurprise:
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You can safely ignore the entire analysis when UCLA comes in 4th using the out-of-your-ass scoring system. 11 national titles and 18 Final 4 appearances apparently aren't as strong as the subjective crap measured in that thread. What a self-delusional joke.
Spoken like someone who doesn't know sh*t about basketball.
this isn't a basketball thread, it's a let's make fun of the typical ku homer thread. surely you can understand why we think it's hilarious that a bunch of ku bbs'rs have been pulling together a bunch of crap under the guise of analysis and then awarding themselves the bluest of the blue blood ranking.
:dunno:
ESPN ranked KU the 2nd-best program of all-time a couple years ago. Obviously they're just biased.
:jerk:
i guess the guys at waving the wheat know more than the guys at espn
Yeah, it takes a real homer to bump a program from 2nd to 1st on an arbitrary "best of all-time" list.
It takes a real homer to arbitrarily claim the best tradition and that it is worth as much as someone who has won over twice as many titles
that's pretty much where i was at, thanks chicat. as always bitb.
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You can safely ignore the entire analysis when UCLA comes in 4th using the out-of-your-ass scoring system. 11 national titles and 18 Final 4 appearances apparently aren't as strong as the subjective crap measured in that thread. What a self-delusional joke.
Spoken like someone who doesn't know sh*t about basketball.
this isn't a basketball thread, it's a let's make fun of the typical ku homer thread. surely you can understand why we think it's hilarious that a bunch of ku bbs'rs have been pulling together a bunch of crap under the guise of analysis and then awarding themselves the bluest of the blue blood ranking.
:dunno:
ESPN ranked KU the 2nd-best program of all-time a couple years ago. Obviously they're just biased.
:jerk:
i guess the guys at waving the wheat know more than the guys at espn
Yeah, it takes a real homer to bump a program from 2nd to 1st on an arbitrary "best of all-time" list.
It takes a real homer to arbitrarily claim the best tradition and that it is worth as much as someone who has won over twice as many titles
that's pretty much where i was at, thanks chicat. as always bitb.
You guys will just never get it.... Don't you understand that KU hired the guy who stole credit for inventing the game, thereby everyone who is ever a fan of KU will always know far more about basketball than anyone else ever will?
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You can safely ignore the entire analysis when UCLA comes in 4th using the out-of-your-ass scoring system. 11 national titles and 18 Final 4 appearances apparently aren't as strong as the subjective crap measured in that thread. What a self-delusional joke.
Spoken like someone who doesn't know sh*t about basketball.
this isn't a basketball thread, it's a let's make fun of the typical ku homer thread. surely you can understand why we think it's hilarious that a bunch of ku bbs'rs have been pulling together a bunch of crap under the guise of analysis and then awarding themselves the bluest of the blue blood ranking.
:dunno:
ESPN ranked KU the 2nd-best program of all-time a couple years ago. Obviously they're just biased.
:jerk:
i guess the guys at waving the wheat know more than the guys at espn
Yeah, it takes a real homer to bump a program from 2nd to 1st on an arbitrary "best of all-time" list.
It takes a real homer to bump them from 3rd to 2nd for no reason.
http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2009/1004/cbe1.pdf
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You can safely ignore the entire analysis when UCLA comes in 4th using the out-of-your-ass scoring system. 11 national titles and 18 Final 4 appearances apparently aren't as strong as the subjective crap measured in that thread. What a self-delusional joke.
Spoken like someone who doesn't know sh*t about basketball.
this isn't a basketball thread, it's a let's make fun of the typical ku homer thread. surely you can understand why we think it's hilarious that a bunch of ku bbs'rs have been pulling together a bunch of crap under the guise of analysis and then awarding themselves the bluest of the blue blood ranking.
:dunno:
ESPN ranked KU the 2nd-best program of all-time a couple years ago. Obviously they're just biased.
:jerk:
i guess the guys at waving the wheat know more than the guys at espn
Yeah, it takes a real homer to bump a program from 2nd to 1st on an arbitrary "best of all-time" list.
It takes a real homer to arbitrarily claim the best tradition and that it is worth as much as someone who has won over twice as many titles
that's pretty much where i was at, thanks chicat. as always bitb.
UCLA won 10 of 11 titles in a 12-year span. They don't have the consistency that programs like KU, Kentucky, and UNC have.
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Three consecutive final fours from 2006-08. Pretty inconsistent
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Three consecutive final fours from 2006-08. Pretty inconsistent
They didn't even make the NIT last year.
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Three consecutive final fours from 2006-08. Pretty inconsistent
They didn't even make the NIT last year.
:horrorsurprise: The 11 national titles are invalidated then. Tear down the banners!!!
Was there a category for at least making the NIT last year? Are we sure its weighted enough?
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Three consecutive final fours from 2006-08. Pretty inconsistent
They didn't even make the NIT last year.
:horrorsurprise: The 11 national titles are invalidated then. Tear down the banners!!!
Was there a category for at least making the NIT last year? Are we sure its weighted enough?
It's really not surprising that you're most impressed with the program that had a decade of dominance. I'm sure they even made a DVD for it.
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UCLA won 10 of 11 titles in a 12-year span. They don't have the consistency that programs like KU, Kentucky, and UNC have.
or the tradition
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I can't believe they think KU has the best bball program of all time. KU has 3 national championships, and helms titles do not count- KU fans are the only ones that count them. UCLA has almost 4 times as many national titles as KU. UCLA, UK, and UNC are all historically better than KU.
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Three consecutive final fours from 2006-08. Pretty inconsistent
They didn't even make the NIT last year.
:horrorsurprise: The 11 national titles are invalidated then. Tear down the banners!!!
Was there a category for at least making the NIT last year? Are we sure its weighted enough?
It's really not surprising that you're most impressed with the program that had a decade of dominance. I'm sure they even made a DVD for it.
Burn
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Three consecutive final fours from 2006-08. Pretty inconsistent
They didn't even make the NIT last year.
:horrorsurprise: The 11 national titles are invalidated then. Tear down the banners!!!
Was there a category for at least making the NIT last year? Are we sure its weighted enough?
It's really not surprising that you're most impressed with the program that had a decade of dominance. I'm sure they even made a DVD for it.
I'm impressed with a program that wins 11 NC no matter when they do it. Its still 11 NCs. But come up with your reason to discounts everyones accomplishments that are that much greater than your own. Its entertaining.
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Three consecutive final fours from 2006-08. Pretty inconsistent
They didn't even make the NIT last year.
Three consecutive final fours from 2006-08. Pretty inconsistent
Ben is a basketball noob.
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Don't forget your Power Towel, Ben. Will come in handy cleaning up the load you launch on your tummy tonight.
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I also like how Helms/real NCs in the same year dont count. Good thing performing in the tourny proves nothing I guess :dunno:
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Quick... name another program besides KU basketball that hasn't had a "down" year in the past 20+ years.
Quick... name several programs besides KU who have had multiple "down" years in the past 20 years but still have more than 1 national title in that span.
KU has two national titles in the past 20+ years.
FYI, every school that has more than one championship has two in the past 20+ years. go cats.
Do all of them have seven Final Fours?
:facepalm:
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The numbers don't lie. Kentucky is the best. The only thing KU has on Kentucky is that they handed them their worst loss ever.
Aside from that, I'd say KU and UNC are fighting for 3rd.
Duke isn't even in the all time top 5.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kentucky_basketball#Cumulative_All_Time_Statistics
That's all you really need to see....
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What a bunch of homers
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The numbers don't lie. Kentucky is the best. The only thing KU has on Kentucky is that they handed them their worst loss ever.
Aside from that, I'd say KU and UNC are fighting for 3rd.
Duke isn't even in the all time top 5.
I mostly agree, but here's how I see it:
1. Kentucky
2. Kansas/UNC
4. UCLA
5. Duke
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:bait:
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I'm going to make some calls in the upcoming weeks to see if we can bring together the goEMAW championship committee in for a special session to analyze this question.
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I'm going to make some calls in the upcoming weeks to see if we can bring together the goEMAW championship committee in for a special session to analyze this question.
Are you calling for a goEMAW BLUE-ribbon panel to decide the BLUEst of the BLUE bloods?
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I'm going to make some calls in the upcoming weeks to see if we can bring together the goEMAW championship committee in for a special session to analyze this question.
Are you calling for a goEMAW BLUE-ribbon panel to decide the BLUEst of the BLUE bloods?
You know it.
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http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2014/02/26/after-years-spent-on-life-support-term-mid-major-finally-dies-in-college/?intcmp=obnetwork
Mid-major had been on life support for nearly a decade as schools such as George Mason, VCU, Butler and Wichita State crashed the Final Four. What had been the bastion of blue bloods such as North Carolina, Kentucky and Duke was thrown open to schools with tiny enrollments and modest fan bases, yet enough talent to shake up the college basketball establishment.
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1. Kentucky
2. UCLA
3. Indiana
3. UNC
4. Duke
5. San Francisco/Cincinnati/NC State/oSu/UConn/KU