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I really enjoy reading these. Thanks _FAN.
I understand the point of Frank's doghouse but it's frustrating. Difficult to tell how good we can be without seeing regular rotations.
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I really enjoy reading these. Thanks _FAN.
I understand the point of Frank's doghouse but it's frustrating. Difficult to tell how good we can be without seeing regular rotations.
Prob even more annoying for future opponents. :emawkid:
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Nice, I pretty much agree with all of that with one possible exception. McGruder.
I think idealy for this team I would hope that it not be necessary for him to score at the rate (or higher) that he currently is. I hoped that this would be an inside out offense, but neither Wally or Freddy seem like they are going to allow that to happen. We are starting to see glimpses of the high/low working better, I think if Jamar is somewhat consistent hitting the jumper in the high post area. I don't look to him to provide low post scoring at all but he can greatly help the situation if he can be a threat in the high/low.
I guess what I'm trying to say, long story short is if we need McGruder to score in the teens every night we will lose more games against quality opponents than we may be comfortable with.
I look forward to when Franks cools the drama and we get a good sense of where this team is with their rotations and who will be on the floor when. I think JO and 'Tay will be intersting wildcards. If they can develop themselves into the rotation I think that bodes well for our chances. Less Doc Spradling right now, and JO could eat up a little of Freddy and Wally's minutes. Freddy is such a defensive liablity and lacking offensive confidence I'd like to see him play LuCo minutes at this point. His double clutch when he was alone under the basket last night against a front line averaging about 6'5" showed me all I need to see at this point to make my mind up.
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I understand the point of Frank's doghouse but it's frustrating. Difficult to tell how good we can be without seeing regular rotations.
No doubt. We saw what Kelly and Samuels can do offensively in the Duke game, they really kept us from getting blown out. But Kelly is still struggling defensively and on the boards, Frank was extremely ticked at him at times last night. Granted, he had a silly match-up when he was in b/c he was defending a guard 25 feet from the basket most of the time.
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I really enjoy reading these. Thanks _FAN.
I understand the point of Frank's doghouse but it's frustrating. Difficult to tell how good we can be without seeing regular rotations.
Prob even more annoying for future opponents. :emawkid:
When you break down film, you do so for what a team runs, and individual tendacies, neither is necessarly influenced by who is in the dog house or not. This is much more of a problem for us than it is opponents watching film. Frank understands this and in years past he has cooled it with this stuff a bit more in December and early January. As frustrating as it is for us the guys should have plenty of time to settle into rotations and get comfortable with their roles.
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Nice, I pretty much agree with all of that with one possible exception. McGruder.
I think idealy for this team I would hope that it not be necessary for him to score at the rate (or higher) that he currently is. I hoped that this would be an inside out offense, but neither Wally or Freddy seem like they are going to allow that to happen. We are starting to see glimpses of the high/low working better, I think if Jamar is somewhat consistent hitting the jumper in the high post area. I don't look to him to provide low post scoring at all but he can greatly help the situation if he can be a threat in the high/low.
I guess what I'm trying to say, long story short is if we need McGruder to score in the teens every night we will lose more games against quality opponents than we may be comfortable with.
Good points. I supposed I think he is one of the best "shooters" (if not the best) on the team, plus he has enough length to get shots off against guards. He also is great at getting trash buckets. He just seems like a "scorer" to me and I think he compliments Pullen and our bigs.
I look forward to when Franks cools the drama and we get a good sense of where this team is with their rotations and who will be on the floor when. I think JO and 'Tay will be intersting wildcards. If they can develop themselves into the rotation I think that bodes well for our chances. Less Doc Spradling right now, and JO could eat up a little of Freddy and Wally's minutes. Freddy is such a defensive liablity and lacking offensive confidence I'd like to see him play LuCo minutes at this point. His double clutch when he was alone under the basket last night against a front line averaging about 6'5" showed me all I need to see at this point to make my mind up.
What do you do with Frank's (and others) praise of Asprilla? Frank says he's our best defender and several said he's got plenty of post moves. I agree that many of his points last night were "ESU buckets", but he is getting more comfortable and I think he might be an 8 and 6 kind of guy. Kelly and Samuels have to be our scorers in the post, but outside of them Asprilla may have the most post game. Judge and JHR are going to get put backs and shots 2 feet from the basket. Judge may also consistently hit a jump shot now and then, but until he plays consistently with confidence I don't know what to expect.
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I really enjoy reading these. Thanks _FAN.
I understand the point of Frank's doghouse but it's frustrating. Difficult to tell how good we can be without seeing regular rotations.
Prob even more annoying for future opponents. :emawkid:
When you break down film, you do so for what a team runs, and individual tendacies, neither is necessarly influenced by who is in the dog house or not. This is much more of a problem for us than it is opponents watching film. Frank understands this and in years past he has cooled it with this stuff a bit more in December and early January. As frustrating as it is for us the guys should have plenty of time to settle into rotations and get comfortable with their roles.
It's annoying both ways. But Frank has shown a pattern here so they'll be players in the dog house every year, apparently. The (only) brightside is that opposing coaches don't know who we're going to run at them on any given night until at least mid-december.
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I hadn't heard Frank praise Freddy's defense, that would be weird to me since he is far and away the worst help defender on the squad which is a problem when your guards play on the ball and in the passing lanes as aggressively as we do.
It could also be that Frank thinks that his psyche is fragile right now and the praise is how he is trying to reach him. :dunno: Lots of people know Frank yelling and blowing people up in post-game interviews, but he isn't going to do that if he thinks Freddy can't handle it. I could be completely wrong here but when I see him right now I don't see a good defender and I don't see a guy playing with any confidence in his abilities.
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I hadn't heard Frank praise Freddy's defense, that would be weird to me since he is far and away the worst help defender on the squad which is a problem when your guards play on the ball and in the passing lanes as aggressively as we do.
It could also be that Frank thinks that his psyche is fragile right now and the praise is how he is trying to reach him. :dunno: Lots of people know Frank yelling and blowing people up in post-game interviews, but he isn't going to do that if he thinks Freddy can't handle it. I could be completely wrong here but when I see him right now I don't see a good defender and I don't see a guy playing with any confidence in his abilities.
Could be, but here.
Frank on Freddy Asprilla’s performance…
“Freddy has always played zone defense everywhere he has played. Someone has always told him to ‘stand in the middle of the zone and do not move.’ Freddy’s challenge is to learn how to defend, how we defend. He is used to conserving energy on the defensive end so he can use it on the offensive end. Now, he is learning to utilize energy on the defensive end and sustain that energy to play on the offensive end. He is a very talented offensive player and he will continue to get better for us. He is defending the post for us better than any other big on our team. When he is in the game his man rarely catches the ball in the post unlike our other bigs that just allow their guy to catch and score the ball every time.”
Pullen on the improvement of Freddy Asprilla…
“He is a great back to the basket scorer. He has a great feel for the game. He just had to get used to the contact. The things that he is able to do inside now, he was not able to do at the start of the season. Now he is feeling the game out and he is able to pass and rebound the ball and back to the basket-wise he is a very capable scorer. A lot of teams are going to have to double-team him and that is going to get us open shots.”
McGruder on the improvement of Freddy Asprilla …
“He is getting more comfortable in the system. He is looking to score for himself as well as create for others, basically he is just getting comfortable.”
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Hadn't seen those quotes. He is pretty good with fronting and Frank loves that, I'll stand by the fact that his help needs to be way better.
It seems he has improved quite a bit, understandable considering he did nothing last season. I wonder what his ceiling is.
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Hadn't seen those quotes. He is pretty good with fronting and Frank loves that, I'll stand by the fact that his help needs to be way better.
It seems he has improved quite a bit, understandable considering he did nothing last season. I wonder what his ceiling is.
Yeah, that's the question. I agree his help has been less than stellar, but it would seem Frank addressed that at least in part in that quote. It will be interesting to see what his role becomes and how big of an impact he can be. It would be great if he can be a legit low-post scorer to go with Samuels and Kelly.
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I hadn't heard Frank praise Freddy's defense, that would be weird to me since he is far and away the worst help defender on the squad which is a problem when your guards play on the ball and in the passing lanes as aggressively as we do.
It could also be that Frank thinks that his psyche is fragile right now and the praise is how he is trying to reach him. :dunno: Lots of people know Frank yelling and blowing people up in post-game interviews, but he isn't going to do that if he thinks Freddy can't handle it. I could be completely wrong here but when I see him right now I don't see a good defender and I don't see a guy playing with any confidence in his abilities.
Yeah, I think those quotes are complete horseshit. Frank needs Curtis to be a top 3 guy. He needs him because he is an insanely athletic help defender and a proven scorer. He's still playing mind games to get the other guys to listen to him.
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Freddy is just the new Latin player who can do no wrong.
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Frank on Freddy Asprilla’s performance…
“Freddy has always played zone defense everywhere he has played. Someone has always told him to ‘stand in the middle of the zone and do not move.’ Freddy’s challenge is to learn how to defend, how we defend. He is used to conserving energy on the defensive end so he can use it on the offensive end. Now, he is learning to utilize energy on the defensive end and sustain that energy to play on the offensive end. He is a very talented offensive player and he will continue to get better for us. He is defending the post for us better than any other big on our team. When he is in the game his man rarely catches the ball in the post unlike our other bigs that just allow their guy to catch and score the ball every time.”
seems to me like frank simply found a way to trash on kelly and wally without actually trashing on them. basically praising asprillla to motivate them or whatever. seems like a pretty franky thing to do.
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Frank on Freddy Asprilla’s performance…
“Freddy has always played zone defense everywhere he has played. Someone has always told him to ‘stand in the middle of the zone and do not move.’ Freddy’s challenge is to learn how to defend, how we defend. He is used to conserving energy on the defensive end so he can use it on the offensive end. Now, he is learning to utilize energy on the defensive end and sustain that energy to play on the offensive end. He is a very talented offensive player and he will continue to get better for us. He is defending the post for us better than any other big on our team. When he is in the game his man rarely catches the ball in the post unlike our other bigs that just allow their guy to catch and score the ball every time.”
seems to me like frank simply found a way to trash on kelly and wally without actually trashing on them. basically praising asprillla to motivate them or whatever. seems like a pretty franky thing to do.
"Praising Bad Players to Motivate Good Players" is the title of the first PowerPoint Presentation in Frank Martin 101.
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seems to me like frank simply found a way to trash on kelly and wally without actually trashing on them. basically praising asprillla to motivate them or whatever. seems like a pretty franky thing to do.
yes, absolutely.
which isn't to say that it isn't true.
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seems to me like frank simply found a way to trash on kelly and wally without actually trashing on them. basically praising asprillla to motivate them or whatever. seems like a pretty franky thing to do.
yes, absolutely.
which isn't to say that it isn't true.
No doubt there are some motivational aspects to it, but I suppose IMHO Asprilla might be a pretty decent player. Much, much better than Colon.
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i like asprilla a lot. think he'll be very productive (and not a defensive liability).
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seems to me like frank simply found a way to trash on kelly and wally without actually trashing on them. basically praising asprillla to motivate them or whatever. seems like a pretty franky thing to do.
yes, absolutely.
which isn't to say that it isn't true.
No doubt there are some motivational aspects to it, but I suppose IMHO Asprilla might be a pretty decent player. Much, much better than Colon.
I will hope for decent player and settle for much, much better than Colon.
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seems to me like frank simply found a way to trash on kelly and wally without actually trashing on them. basically praising asprillla to motivate them or whatever. seems like a pretty franky thing to do.
yes, absolutely.
which isn't to say that it isn't true.
No doubt there are some motivational aspects to it, but I suppose IMHO Asprilla might be a pretty decent player. Much, much better than Colon.
I will hope for decent player and settle for much, much better than Colon.
i love spri. he's incredibly enjoyable. just think that frank was bagging more on other people than he was praising fred in that quote. wouldn't be surprised if he was three way skyping curt and wally while giving it.
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asprilla reminds me of a plumber
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to me... rodney is key to this team... and THE key to our continued success going forward
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to me... rodney is key to this team... and THE key to our continued success going forward
rodkey mcgruder
doc spradler
man, things are really shaping up around here. everybody pat themselves on the back and call it a day. see everybody again bright and early tomorrow morning at stevedave thirty.
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to me... rodney is key to this team... and THE key to our continued success going forward
rodkey mcgruder
doc spradler
man, things are really shaping up around here. everybody pat themselves on the back and call it a day. see everybody again bright and early tomorrow morning at stevedave thirty.
mcgruder already has a nickname, try to keep up. squawktard
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to me... rodney is key to this team... and THE key to our continued success going forward
rodkey mcgruder
doc spradler
man, things are really shaping up around here. everybody pat themselves on the back and call it a day. see everybody again bright and early tomorrow morning at stevedave thirty.
mcgruder already has a nickname, try to keep up. squawktard
yeah i know. rodkey. hot rod mcrguderkey. starsKEY and rodhutch. the man is money and the cats are the bank and he's putting his key into the safety deposit box to make a deposit of three point bombs and offensive rebounds. official bank statement says "cats win national championship". see everybody tomorrow.
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to me... rodney is key to this team... and THE key to our continued success going forward
rodkey mcgruder
doc spradler
man, things are really shaping up around here. everybody pat themselves on the back and call it a day. see everybody again bright and early tomorrow morning at stevedave thirty.
mcgruder already has a nickname, try to keep up. squawktard
yeah i know. rodkey. hot rod mcrguderkey. starsKEY and rodhutch. the man is money and the cats are the bank and he's putting his key into the safety deposit box to make a deposit of three point bombs and offensive rebounds. official bank statement says "cats win national championship". see everybody tomorrow.
insufficient funds, please pay overdraft fees and wish you had a dime to your name because you're a broke joke.
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Good stuff _FAN.
I'll just throw in that Irving is really playing at a level I didn't anticipate him being at this early in his career. And it's not just because he's knocking down jumpshots, which he did early last year. He's also really improved his handle, passing, court awareness, and finishing around the rim(that baseline drive and lefty finish against Duke was big-time). Would definitely like to see him boarding better(just over 1/game) and the 14% FT's, well, that could stand some improvement but based off what I've seen so far, he's the 2nd best guard on our team(further analysis of 95 pending).
Just hope he can recover from that bruise before Friday. :blindfold:
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Good stuff _FAN.
I'll just throw in that Irving is really playing at a level I didn't anticipate him being at this early in his career. And it's not just because he's knocking down jumpshots, which he did early last year. He's also really improved his handle, passing, court awareness, and finishing around the rim(that baseline drive and lefty finish against Duke was big-time). Would definitely like to see him boarding better(just over 1/game) and the 14% FT's, well, that could stand some improvement but based off what I've seen so far, he's the 2nd best guard on our team(further analysis of 95 pending).
Just hope he can recover from that bruise before Friday. :blindfold:
I really like what Irving has done this year and agree he seems to be developing into a solid guard. I just think the good thing is that we don't have to rely on him to be more than a contributor. Pullen and hopefully McGruder can take the perimeter scoring load, taking pressure off of a guy like Irving and even Spradling and Russell at the other guard spots.
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agree with irving playing well, and with it being surprising.
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agree with irving playing well, and with it being surprising.
not me. doesn't take a brain scientist to see the kid has a high bbiq. sometimes i feel like i'm surrounded by a bunch of dumbasses and squawktards. what a joke.
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Granted, Frank has pointed out over and over that he does not look at either FT% or # of TOs too much, based on making FTs when it counts and TOs often being the result of being aggressive offensively. However, its hard not to see how both of these could continue to be problems for this team if not corrected.
Martin has been all over Kelly for turnovers
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While the game with Duke wasn’t the greatest (Duke had 1.11 PPP), overall the defense has been solid; very similar to last year’s team.
great use of semicolon. i think
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While the game with Duke wasn’t the greatest (Duke had 1.11 PPP), overall the defense has been solid; very similar to last year’s team.
great use of semicolon. i think
I hope my content is good, b/c my writing is terrible. I'm guessing its wrong, and I probably used incorrect punctuation/grammar dozens of times throughout _FANalysis.
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Granted, Frank has pointed out over and over that he does not look at either FT% or # of TOs too much, based on making FTs when it counts and TOs often being the result of being aggressive offensively. However, its hard not to see how both of these could continue to be problems for this team if not corrected.
Martin has been all over Kelly for turnovers
Here is a great example of this, and Frank's frustration with Kelly from last night. Sometime in the middle of the 2nd half, Kelly caught the ball at the top of the key and was slow in reversing the ball. A timeout comes and Frank rips into Kelly for not reversing the ball quickly enough. A couple possessions later, Kelly again has the ball at the top of the key, but the guard he is attempting to reverse the ball to is covered and cuts back to the baseline. Kelly still procedes to reverse the ball and throws the ball out of bounds to no one, and promptly is taken out of the game. Really a pretty JR high-ish mistake, but shows the mental state he is sometimes in.
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Granted, Frank has pointed out over and over that he does not look at either FT% or # of TOs too much, based on making FTs when it counts and TOs often being the result of being aggressive offensively. However, its hard not to see how both of these could continue to be problems for this team if not corrected.
Martin has been all over Kelly for turnovers
Here is a great example of this, and Frank's frustration with Kelly from last night. Sometime in the middle of the 2nd half, Kelly caught the ball at the top of the key and was slow in reversing the ball. A timeout comes and Frank rips into Kelly for not reversing the ball quickly enough. A couple possessions later, Kelly again has the ball at the top of the key, but the guard he is attempting to reverse the ball to is covered and cuts back to the baseline. Kelly still procedes to reverse the ball and throws the ball out of bounds to no one, and promptly is taken out of the game. Really a pretty JR high-ish mistake, but shows the mental state he is sometimes in.
Exactly right. Frank has also harped on mental mistakes vs. effort mistakes. He doesnt mind turnovers when you are trying to make a play, he hates it when you make turnovers otherwise. Curt and Nick are the players who make the most mental mistakes.
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While the game with Duke wasn’t the greatest (Duke had 1.11 PPP), overall the defense has been solid; very similar to last year’s team.
great use of semicolon. i think
I hope my content is good, b/c my writing is terrible. I'm guessing its wrong, and I probably used incorrect punctuation/grammar dozens of times throughout _FANalysis.
coulda been a comma, but the semicolon is defensible.
"roll" :blindfold:
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coulda been a comma, but the semicolon is defensible.
"roll" :blindfold:
Fixed. Unfortunately spell check doesn't catch stupidity.
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Granted, Frank has pointed out over and over that he does not look at either FT% or # of TOs too much, based on making FTs when it counts and TOs often being the result of being aggressive offensively. However, its hard not to see how both of these could continue to be problems for this team if not corrected.
Martin has been all over Kelly for turnovers
Here is a great example of this, and Frank's frustration with Kelly from last night. Sometime in the middle of the 2nd half, Kelly caught the ball at the top of the key and was slow in reversing the ball. A timeout comes and Frank rips into Kelly for not reversing the ball quickly enough. A couple possessions later, Kelly again has the ball at the top of the key, but the guard he is attempting to reverse the ball to is covered and cuts back to the baseline. Kelly still procedes to reverse the ball and throws the ball out of bounds to no one, and promptly is taken out of the game. Really a pretty JR high-ish mistake, but shows the mental state he is sometimes in.
in high school i had a couple of different basketball coaches. one of them would take us out of the game after we made a mistake, committed a turnover, or whatever. as soon as we made a bad play we knew we were getting pulled. it was not beneficial. it made everyone so scared of making a mistake that we would miss the chance to make a play. im not saying frank is doing this but his margin for error seems to be pretty small with certain people...
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in high school i had a couple of different basketball coaches. one of them would take us out of the game after we made a mistake, committed a turnover, or whatever. as soon as we made a bad play we knew we were getting pulled. it was not beneficial. it made everyone so scared of making a mistake that we would miss the chance to make a play. im not saying frank is doing this but his margin for error seems to be pretty small with certain people...
Can't wait to read the rest of your post.......
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im not saying frank is doing this
then shut up, idiot. no one gives a eff about your shitty junior high hoops career. tia
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Granted, Frank has pointed out over and over that he does not look at either FT% or # of TOs too much, based on making FTs when it counts and TOs often being the result of being aggressive offensively. However, its hard not to see how both of these could continue to be problems for this team if not corrected.
Martin has been all over Kelly for turnovers
Here is a great example of this, and Frank's frustration with Kelly from last night. Sometime in the middle of the 2nd half, Kelly caught the ball at the top of the key and was slow in reversing the ball. A timeout comes and Frank rips into Kelly for not reversing the ball quickly enough. A couple possessions later, Kelly again has the ball at the top of the key, but the guard he is attempting to reverse the ball to is covered and cuts back to the baseline. Kelly still procedes to reverse the ball and throws the ball out of bounds to no one, and promptly is taken out of the game. Really a pretty JR high-ish mistake, but shows the mental state he is sometimes in.
in high school i had a couple of different basketball coaches. one of them would take us out of the game after we made a mistake, committed a turnover, or whatever. as soon as we made a bad play we knew we were getting pulled. it was not beneficial. it made everyone so scared of making a mistake that we would miss the chance to make a play. im not saying frank is doing this but his margin for error seems to be pretty small with certain people...
i worked at a subway for a little bit in highschool. we would take the bread dough and flatten it out and then put some of the meatball sauce on it and then some cheese and pepperoni and put it in the oven and make a pizza out of it sometimes.