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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: gatoveintisiete on November 29, 2010, 09:16:54 PM
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I hate this team right now, we can't defend emporia state, jfc, we shoot freethrows like corky, on the bright side I think we found Freddies appropriate basketball level. :flush:
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looks like the same defense we've played after 8 games in each of frank's last 3 years here. actually, it's better at this point this season, than it's been at this point in any of his previous seasons.
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looks like the same defense we've played after 8 games in each of frank's last 3 years here. actually, it's better at this point this season, than it's been at this point in any of his previous seasons.
which is why it sucks worse than any other year. shouldn't be that way.
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the room for growth is phenomenal.
:excited:
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Oh and if we hate Russell so much, give the dude a break and kick him off the team already.
Do I really gotta watch myles, nino, and 95 get more minutes than Nick?
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looks like the same defense we've played after 8 games in each of frank's last 3 years here. actually, it's better at this point this season, than it's been at this point in any of his previous seasons.
which is why it sucks worse than any other year. shouldn't be that way.
READ THE 2nd SENTENCE. JUST READ IT.
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looks like the same defense we've played after 8 games in each of frank's last 3 years here. actually, it's better at this point this season, than it's been at this point in any of his previous seasons.
which is why it sucks worse than any other year. shouldn't be that way.
READ THE 2nd SENTENCE. JUST READ IT.
I DISAGREE
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looks like the same defense we've played after 8 games in each of frank's last 3 years here. actually, it's better at this point this season, than it's been at this point in any of his previous seasons.
which is why it sucks worse than any other year. shouldn't be that way.
READ THE 2nd SENTENCE. JUST READ IT.
I DISAGREE
RIGHT BACK AT YOU
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looks like the same defense we've played after 8 games in each of frank's last 3 years here. actually, it's better at this point this season, than it's been at this point in any of his previous seasons.
which is why it sucks worse than any other year. shouldn't be that way.
READ THE 2nd SENTENCE. JUST READ IT.
I DISAGREE
RIGHT BACK AT YOU
YOU CAN'T TRIPLE STAMP A DOUBLE STAMP
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rusty. can you mod this thread and do some staty work and tell us if we're better this season defensively then in years past? ok folks, i'll answer my own question. i know you can! LMAO!
are we?
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rusty. can you mod this thread and do some staty work and tell us if we're better this season defensively then in years past? ok folks, i'll answer my own question. i know you can! LMAO!
are we?
We were much better defensively vs Duke than we were vs Ole Miss last year.
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Am I the only one that thinks our defense is over aggressive?
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Am I the only one that thinks our defense is over aggressive?
No :users:
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The D was very junkyardy, until we put the scrubs in. Thus our D is fine
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What kind of sh*t program plays a D-2 school this late into the season?
:lol:
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What kind of sh*t program plays a D-2 school this late into the season?
:lol:
Yeah. You think I could get a seat at AFH for the UT-Arlington game on 12/29?
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What kind of sh*t program plays a D-2 school this late into the season?
:lol:
Yeah. You think I could get a seat at AFH for the UT-Arlington game on 12/29?
BOOM
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or possibly the UMKC game? i really like kangaroos.
beems, you are so stupid.
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What kind of sh*t program plays a D-2 school this late into the season?
:lol:
I love you. Please don't freak me out with your unannounced hiatus again.
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looks like the same defense we've played after 8 games in each of frank's last 3 years here. actually, it's better at this point this season, than it's been at this point in any of his previous seasons.
This is true. Better than last year's 6-1 Cats in nearly every category.
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we are good at forcing TOs and rebounding. bad at defending the 3
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we are good at forcing TOs and rebounding. bad at defending the 3
3 PT% against us is a bit hight, but overall defensive efficiency is fine considering the schedule we've played. .88 PPP is pretty good.
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What kind of sh*t program plays a D-2 school this late into the season?
:lol:
The kind of program that has a much stronger SOS than your team.
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Gruds is constantly letting his man open on the 3, he tries to do help defense in the paint and drifts from his guy. Happened at least 3 times tonight. Surprised Frank doesn't bench him as much as Russell
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Gruds is constantly letting his man open on the 3, he tries to do help defense in the paint and drifts from his guy. Happened at least 3 times tonight. Surprised Frank doesn't bench him as much as Russell
He's supposed to help when someone gets beat.
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you get benched for not helping
the defensive system must have something to it considering our 3 pt defense is ranked around 250 and our overall defense is ranked 20
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how much you help depends on who you're guarding, too. At least I'm guessing it does. :dunno:
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we are good at forcing TOs and rebounding. bad at defending the 3
3 PT% against us is a bit hight, but overall defensive efficiency is fine considering the schedule we've played. .88 PPP is pretty good.
this is probably why just watching it that it looks worse. 61 points to emporia state just seems high, regardless of pace. we look so good for spurts of time, then so bad for spurts of time as well.
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we are good at forcing TOs and rebounding. bad at defending the 3
3 PT% against us is a bit hight, but overall defensive efficiency is fine considering the schedule we've played. .88 PPP is pretty good.
this is probably why just watching it that it looks worse. 61 points to emporia state just seems high, regardless of pace. we look so good for spurts of time, then so bad for spurts of time as well.
those spurts of time coincide with that rough ridin' canadian loser being in the game
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not sure why Martin feels obligated to play Myles (practicing good, preparing for worst of all scenarios) but i want more 95 :frown:
95!
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we are good at forcing TOs and rebounding. bad at defending the 3
3 PT% against us is a bit hight, but overall defensive efficiency is fine considering the schedule we've played. .88 PPP is pretty good.
this is probably why just watching it that it looks worse. 61 points to emporia state just seems high, regardless of pace. we look so good for spurts of time, then so bad for spurts of time as well.
frank's rotations are causing this. overall, we're making a lot of the same mistakes, we're just making less of them. new players learning frank's system.
thank _FAN for pulling together the statanalysis
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Our 7th game last year was FHSU. They scored over a point/possession, and led to "Buy in or quit". This year, ESU scored .78 points/possession, even with Myles playing big minutes.
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Gruds is constantly letting his man open on the 3, he tries to do help defense in the paint and drifts from his guy. Happened at least 3 times tonight. Surprised Frank doesn't bench him as much as Russell
He's supposed to help when someone gets beat.
Yeah, don't get being upset about this. A 3 pointer is a much lower % shot then letting someone get a layup...
Anyone remember how many of those "at least 3 times" the shot was made?
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What kind of sh*t program plays a D-2 school this late into the season?
Geebuz moonbeams, you come back with this? Seriously?
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not sure why Martin feels obligated to play Myles (practicing good, preparing for worst of all scenarios) but i want more 95 :frown:
95!
95 cutting through the lane... :love:
ball not going in the hoop... :frown:
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dp, it was so close. please try again. tia
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we are good at forcing TOs and rebounding. bad at defending the 3
3 PT% against us is a bit hight, but overall defensive efficiency is fine considering the schedule we've played. .88 PPP is pretty good.
Where do our defensive numbers fall in line with other top 10 teams, that is the comparison that is concerning me.
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we are good at forcing TOs and rebounding. bad at defending the 3
3 PT% against us is a bit hight, but overall defensive efficiency is fine considering the schedule we've played. .88 PPP is pretty good.
Where do our defensive numbers fall in line with other top 10 teams, that is the comparison that is concerning me.
why? we're 6-1 with two wins of quality opponents and our only loss to the defending national champs #1 team in the country. Why be worried about what the other top 10 teams are doing? We have a few more "resume builder" games left in non-con and a decent con. sched.
I don't get the being uspet/worried right now. If we get embarrassed by one of those resume builders, then there might be reason to be worried. Basketball isn't like football though, we just need to get a 1-4 seed and go into the tourney with some momentum.
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Where do our defensive numbers fall in line with other top 10 teams, that is the comparison that is concerning me.
Our defensive efficiency is #20 in the country. The only real negative right now is 3PT% against us, but overall our defense has been solid.
BTW, this (http://kenpom.com/team.php?team=Kansas%20St.) really isn't that hard to find.
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Where do our defensive numbers fall in line with other top 10 teams, that is the comparison that is concerning me.
Our defensive efficiency is #20 in the country. The only real negative right now is 3PT% against us, but overall our defense has been solid.
BTW, this (http://kenpom.com/team.php?team=Kansas%20St.) really isn't that hard to find.
Wow, only a 9% chance to win in Lawrence? :frown:
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we are good at forcing TOs and rebounding. bad at defending the 3
3 PT% against us is a bit hight, but overall defensive efficiency is fine considering the schedule we've played. .88 PPP is pretty good.
Where do our defensive numbers fall in line with other top 10 teams, that is the comparison that is concerning me.
why? we're 6-1 with two wins of quality opponents and our only loss to the defending national champs #1 team in the country. Why be worried about what the other top 10 teams are doing? We have a few more "resume builder" games left in non-con and a decent con. sched.
I don't get the being uspet/worried right now. If we get embarrassed by one of those resume builders, then there might be reason to be worried. Basketball isn't like football though, we just need to get a 1-4 seed and go into the tourney with some momentum.
I wan't to see this team compete for a national title, along the way we are going to have to beat 2 or 3 teams close to Dukes caliber if not Duke. These teams are loaded with 5 star talent and great coaches. In the Duke game we tried to go athlete for athlete with them like we do against everyone else and it didn't work and in my opinion won't work. Frank made it clear last night that we will not deviate from our style of play, the question is can we execute this style of play well enough to beat the very best in the country? :crossfingers:
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we are good at forcing TOs and rebounding. bad at defending the 3
3 PT% against us is a bit hight, but overall defensive efficiency is fine considering the schedule we've played. .88 PPP is pretty good.
Where do our defensive numbers fall in line with other top 10 teams, that is the comparison that is concerning me.
why? we're 6-1 with two wins of quality opponents and our only loss to the defending national champs #1 team in the country. Why be worried about what the other top 10 teams are doing? We have a few more "resume builder" games left in non-con and a decent con. sched.
I don't get the being uspet/worried right now. If we get embarrassed by one of those resume builders, then there might be reason to be worried. Basketball isn't like football though, we just need to get a 1-4 seed and go into the tourney with some momentum.
I wan't to see this team compete for a national title, along the way we are going to have to beat 2 or 3 teams close to Dukes caliber if not Duke. These teams are loaded with 5 star talent and great coaches. In the Duke game we tried to go athlete for athlete with them like we do against everyone else and it didn't work and in my opinion won't work. Frank made it clear last night that we will not deviate from our style of play, the question is can we execute this style of play well enough to beat the very best in the country? :crossfingers:
you might want to temper your expectations a bit
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I wan't to see this team compete for a national title, along the way we are going to have to beat 2 or 3 teams close to Dukes caliber if not Duke. These teams are loaded with 5 star talent and great coaches. In the Duke game we tried to go athlete for athlete with them like we do against everyone else and it didn't work and in my opinion won't work. Frank made it clear last night that we will not deviate from our style of play, the question is can we execute this style of play well enough to beat the very best in the country? :crossfingers:
Actually, Frank made it clear after the Duke game that if he had an extra day to practice he probably would've defended them differently. He said the staff talked about putting in some different things for our perimeter defense b/c of their quickness. But b/c they played back to back nights he didn't feel comfortable putting it in b/c he didn't feel comfortable doing so without having worked it in practice. He also said he didn't put his guards in very good position to be successful b/c of that. I think if we played Duke again we'd still see plenty of pressure, but some different rotations and help assignments and overall a much different defensive gameplan.
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I wan't to see this team compete for a national title, along the way we are going to have to beat 2 or 3 teams close to Dukes caliber if not Duke. These teams are loaded with 5 star talent and great coaches. In the Duke game we tried to go athlete for athlete with them like we do against everyone else and it didn't work and in my opinion won't work. Frank made it clear last night that we will not deviate from our style of play, the question is can we execute this style of play well enough to beat the very best in the country? :crossfingers:
Actually, Frank made it clear after the Duke game that if he had an extra day to practice he probably would've defended them differently. He said the staff talked about putting in some different things for our perimeter defense b/c of their quickness. But b/c they played back to back nights he didn't feel comfortable putting it in b/c he didn't feel comfortable doing so without having worked it in practice. He also said he didn't put his guards in very good position to be successful b/c of that. I think if we played Duke again we'd still see plenty of pressure, but some different rotations and help assignments and overall a much different defensive gameplan.
That's actually kind of reassuring. Really hopes he means it. I want to believe he does.
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Cat27,
I came up with a hypothesis on why we lost to Duke. Duke's a lot better team than us, on both ends of the floor, and from a coaching perspective. They're the best team in the country for the second year in a row and one of college basketball elite programs. I know we beat KU sometimes (go cats!) but they're better than any of KU's teams over the past 10 years.
Hope this helps.
clam$
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Cat27,
I came up with a hypothesis on why we lost to Duke. Duke's a lot better team than us, on both ends of the floor, and from a coaching perspective. They're the best team in the country for the second year in a row and one of college basketball elite programs. I know we beat KU sometimes (go cats!) but they're better than any of KU's teams over the past 10 years.
Hope this helps.
clam$
it does.... :frown:
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That's actually kind of reassuring. Really hopes he means it. I want to believe he does.
I think he does. Perimeter pressure can be done more than one way, ie. you can funnel the ball to different spots, rotate your help differently, etc.
Now, as clams said, none of this means we are going to beat Duke when/if we meet again b/c they are really, really good, but I do think we can still use Frank's pressure and defend them more soundly.
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can we get a board moderator who has been here for over a year and has banning capabilities to just ban this squawk27 guy already. he's obviously a jayhawk mole and has been going out of his way to squawk up every single kansas state basketball thread written over the past week. i think he is doc squawksmith or bigjsquawk but the ip check in inconclusive at best. any help with this would be greatly appreciated.
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That's actually kind of reassuring. Really hopes he means it. I want to believe he does.
Now, as clams said, none of this means we are going to beat Duke when/if we meet again b/c they are really, really good
I think (hope) most of use realize that Duke is an extreme example because they have the best backcourt in the country, but it would be great going forward knowing it's at least an option to switch up defensive looks the next time we face elite guards like that.
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can we get a board moderator who has been here for over a year and has banning capabilities to just ban this squawk27 guy already. he's obviously a jayhawk mole and has been going out of his way to squawk up every single kansas state basketball thread written over the past week. i think he is doc squawksmith or bigjsquawk but the ip check in inconclusive at best. any help with this would be greatly appreciated.
folks, kingSquawk#1 has been identified. i asked saul to mod this thread and guess what? i think we found kingSquawk#1 :lol: dumb blueberries think they can post here and not have us know?
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Gruds is constantly letting his man open on the 3, he tries to do help defense in the paint and drifts from his guy. Happened at least 3 times tonight. Surprised Frank doesn't bench him as much as Russell
mcgruder is by far the worst off-ball perimeter defender on the team. him starting and getting great minutes is either a slap in the face to michigancat about martin not valuing shooters, entirely due to mcoboarding, or because he's the new latin player that can do no wrong.
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Gruds is constantly letting his man open on the 3, he tries to do help defense in the paint and drifts from his guy. Happened at least 3 times tonight. Surprised Frank doesn't bench him as much as Russell
mcgruder is by far the worst off-ball perimeter defender on the team. him starting and getting great minutes is either a slap in the face to michigancat about martin not valuing shooters, entirely due to mcoboarding, or because he's the new latin player that can do no wrong.
it's gotta be because of 'Gruds rebounding.
Russel may be a better example of a player who is getting minutes because of his offensive production.
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not sure why Martin feels obligated to play Myles (practicing good, preparing for worst of all scenarios) but i want more 95 :frown:
95!
This. And I'm still :lol: about the triple stamp a double stamp comment.