Lets ask the 2008 Memphis Tigers.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ft2.gstatic.com%2Fimages%3Fq%3Dtbn%3AANd9GcR2q1k2CQJb7oB4n9Pjp91bTTIHrY12fZtslQUFyBUCR1qxrI94Nw&hash=1f475da1437404eef13b0fd887758372547f7871)Lets ask the 2008 Memphis Tigers.
q: hey 2008 Memphis Tigers, how does it feel to have a 38-2 season?
a: pretty amazing, thanks for asking. :cool:
Lets ask the 2008 Memphis Tigers.
q: hey 2008 Memphis Tigers, how does it feel to have a 38-2 season?
a: pretty amazing, thanks for asking. :cool:
Winters you're okay. While I'm not an advocate of FT% as a major college basketball talking point, hovering around 50% is pretty terrible and costly. Frank, just get these guys to hit 65% and it will be all good.
Winters you're okay. While I'm not an advocate of FT% as a major college basketball talking point, hovering around 50% is pretty terrible and costly. Frank, just get these guys to hit 65% and it will be all good.ute
Frank's concerned about the team's low FT%: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGKTumcKOUE
He mentions it at 0:42 and at length starting at 7:40.
FRANK IS A powerespect! :horrorsurprise:
FT% is way overrated as a talking point, but 50% is a bit ridiculous. As Frank said, not a worry, but a concern.
FT% is way overrated as a talking point, but 50% is a bit ridiculous. As Frank said, not a worry, but a concern.
I guess I don't understand why FT% is way overrated.
But shooting 65% compared to 75% is relatively insignificant on the impact it has on scoring, like 2-3 ppg at the most.
Almost dead last. (http://kenpom.com/teamstats.php?s=RankFTPct) If there is a God this will happen. :crossfingers:
Almost dead last. (http://kenpom.com/teamstats.php?s=RankFTPct) If there is a God this will happen. :crossfingers:
eff EASTERN MICHIGAN :curse: :chainsaw: :curse: :chainsaw: :curse:
Almost dead last. (http://kenpom.com/teamstats.php?s=RankFTPct) If there is a God this will happen. :crossfingers:
eff EASTERN MICHIGAN :curse: :chainsaw: :curse: :chainsaw: :curse:
I think the average fan just gets pissed off about our free throw shooting because they think they could go out there and do better. Most of our fans are dumbasses and couldn't even shoot 10% (see that embarrassing promotion a couple of years ago where you got cash if you could make a free throw). A lot of people in the stands actually could shoot about 70-75%, though, and it's frustrating to watch division 1 athletes shoot so poorly, even if it doesn't amount to a whole lot of points.
I think the average fan just gets pissed off about our free throw shooting because they think they could go out there and do better.
FT% is bad, but our FT rate is a much bigger concern. IMHO. <40 FTR is not very JYC-ish.
FT% is bad, but our FT rate is a much bigger concern. IMHO. <40 FTR is not very JYC-ish.
JYC died half way through last season
FT% is bad, but our FT rate is a much bigger concern. IMHO. <40 FTR is not very JYC-ish.
FT% is bad, but our FT rate is a much bigger concern. IMHO. <40 FTR is not very JYC-ish.
Interesting point KK; made me think about FTA per game (a much more significant BB talking point than FT%).
Clemente/Sutton are both missed (3.6/3.3 FTA/game is quite a bit) AND the big returners (Pullen, Samuels, Kelly) are all shooting fewer FTs per game than last year. They combine to shoot 5 fewer FTs per game.
Pullen - 5.0 to 6.7; decrease of 1.7
Samuels - 3.7 to 5.6; decrease of 1.9
Kelly - 3.5 to 4.9; decrease of 1.4
Granted, some are shooting more, namely McGruder.
McGruder - 2.0 to .7; increase of 1.3
JHR - 2.1 to .9; increase of 1.2
Russell - 1.3 to .3; increase of 1
Irving - 1.2 to .6; increase of .6
Judge has stayed the same at 1.7.
Then you have the significant newcomers; Asprilla at 1.9 and Spradling at 1.7.
So probably to get to more JYC-like numbers we'll need more attacking from Pullen, Samuels, and Kelly (of course you've got to play to get fouled), continued increases from McGruder and hopefully Judge, and likely more attempts from Asprilla and Spradling.
um, clemente had a very low ft rate. so, that's completely wrong in every possible way.
carry on.
I don't think that's insignificant or makes my point "wrong in every possible way".
I don't think that's insignificant or makes my point "wrong in every possible way".
i meant mr. kk. you were just more diplomatic than me in refuting his point.
i like kenpom's ftrate a lot more than fta for ft rate stats though (because it's better).
I don't think that's insignificant or makes my point "wrong in every possible way".
i meant mr. kk. you were just more diplomatic than me in refuting his point.
i like kenpom's ftrate a lot more than fta for ft rate stats though (because it's better).
I don't think that's insignificant or makes my point "wrong in every possible way".
i meant mr. kk. you were just more diplomatic than me in refuting his point.
i like kenpom's ftrate a lot more than fta for ft rate stats though (because it's better).
especially considering the high standard deviation in the distribution for minutes played by key team members
I don't think that's insignificant or makes my point "wrong in every possible way".
i meant mr. kk. you were just more diplomatic than me in refuting his point.
i like kenpom's ftrate a lot more than fta for ft rate stats though (because it's better).
[I think our pg play has probably impacted this. It is hard to pinpoint (tempo the same, a/fgm the same) and kenpom does not have individual stats up yet, but I think our ball movement has not been as good at getting guys to the rim. The increased minutes of McGruder (and the lack of consistent minutes among the bigs) and our increased focus on he or tay shooting a corner three instead of rotating or driving the baseline has lead to the decrease. Considering we are shooting about the same from 3 (and I think that could improve if Pullen can be off the ball more) this may be somewhat a philosophy in response to our players. But I'm sure Frank would like guys getting to the line more and making their ft.
So, in closing, I think our inability to penetrate and to move the ball has hurt our ability to force fouls inside.
[I think our pg play has probably impacted this. It is hard to pinpoint (tempo the same, a/fgm the same) and kenpom does not have individual stats up yet, but I think our ball movement has not been as good at getting guys to the rim. The increased minutes of McGruder (and the lack of consistent minutes among the bigs) and our increased focus on he or tay shooting a corner three instead of rotating or driving the baseline has lead to the decrease. Considering we are shooting about the same from 3 (and I think that could improve if Pullen can be off the ball more) this may be somewhat a philosophy in response to our players. But I'm sure Frank would like guys getting to the line more and making their ft.
So, in closing, I think our inability to penetrate and to move the ball has hurt our ability to force fouls inside.
In addition to this, we've relied on the 3PT line more and the FT line less. Last year our breakdown for %-age of points from 3PT/2PT/FT was 25.8/49.3/24.9. This year we're at 30.2/53.4/16.4. In addition, our 3PA/FGA this year is 35.5 compared to 32.1 last year.
Our eFG% has increased slightly, our TO% has gotten slightly worse, our OR% has stayed the same, and our FTR has decreased significantly, leading to a lower offensive efficiency. But as others have pointed out, it is a pretty small sample size so far, and our 3PT shooting has in part made up for the deficiencies in FTA. I'm sure that will even out some as the season goes along and Kelly/Samuels are more consistent and Pullen plays more minutes.
Guys- great job taking a sport and turning it into a math competition! :nerds::excited:
Free throws are huge for two reasons. First, they speak to a team's mental toughness. These are free points. Most mediocre high school teams can shoot at least 70%. I believe every player on our team this year is capable of shooting at least that well. Mentally tough teams/players shoot a good percentage. Let's have some accountability and not make excuses by saying it's OK to be poor FT shooters because we shoot them a lot.
Secondly, they are huge because they can 'save' a team when they have bad nights in other areas of the game. They can bail you out in other words. As KSU_Fan and Wichita_Cat have pointed out, MU can point to several valid reasons why they lost last night. However, they nail all the free throws late and all those reasons (bad D all night, dumb fouls, etc.) are moot because they would have won.
Go ask Memphis fans if free throw % matters. They shoot 70% in 2008 they win a national title.
Love these.QuoteFree throws are huge for two reasons. First, they speak to a team's mental toughness. These are free points. Most mediocre high school teams can shoot at least 70%. I believe every player on our team this year is capable of shooting at least that well. Mentally tough teams/players shoot a good percentage. Let's have some accountability and not make excuses by saying it's OK to be poor FT shooters because we shoot them a lot.
Secondly, they are huge because they can 'save' a team when they have bad nights in other areas of the game. They can bail you out in other words. As KSU_Fan and Wichita_Cat have pointed out, MU can point to several valid reasons why they lost last night. However, they nail all the free throws late and all those reasons (bad D all night, dumb fouls, etc.) are moot because they would have won.
Go ask Memphis fans if free throw % matters. They shoot 70% in 2008 they win a national title.
Love these.QuoteFree throws are huge for two reasons. First, they speak to a team's mental toughness. These are free points. Most mediocre high school teams can shoot at least 70%. I believe every player on our team this year is capable of shooting at least that well. Mentally tough teams/players shoot a good percentage. Let's have some accountability and not make excuses by saying it's OK to be poor FT shooters because we shoot them a lot.
Secondly, they are huge because they can 'save' a team when they have bad nights in other areas of the game. They can bail you out in other words. As KSU_Fan and Wichita_Cat have pointed out, MU can point to several valid reasons why they lost last night. However, they nail all the free throws late and all those reasons (bad D all night, dumb fouls, etc.) are moot because they would have won.
Go ask Memphis fans if free throw % matters. They shoot 70% in 2008 they win a national title.
Nice find, _FAN.
Free throws are not shazbot!ing "free points." "Free points" would be if when you got fouled, they automatically added 2 or 3 points to your team's score. Or even if you got to dunk the ball or shoot a layup, it would be closer to "free points." Free throws are shot from 15 feet away from the basket. After you've been running up and down the court and banging away. Let's take some of those "mediocre" high school teams and let them bang away against Nolan Smith and the Plumlees for a while and then see how well they shoot from the line.
That being said, sure, there are still plenty of D-I players who can shoot free throws better than our guys who get out there and bang away, too. (Duke comes to mind.) Guess what: Duke are better shooters than our guys. Maybe the tards haven't noticed, but it's not like Jamar or Wally and Freddie are consistently hitting 13 foot J's out there. They'll get hot and hit a couple in a row every now and then...which is the same way they shoot FTs. Curtis was our best jump shooting big last year; unsurprisingly, he also led our bigs in FT %. No one should be shocked that Dom was a bad FT shooter after watching his shooting from the floor. FT's are about muscle memory and coordination, two things that some of our bigs lack.
If you're distressed by our FT %, then I would suggest you encourage Frank to recruit higher-rated players, who generally are not only as athletic as our guys but are also better shooters. Or be glad when Frank runs guys like Dom off.
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332 Grambling 6 1-5 79 145 54.5333 Kansas St. 6 5-1 75 141 53.2
334 St. Peter's 5 2-3 44 91 48.4
do free throws attract stupidity, or are stupid people attracted to free throws?
Guys- great job taking a sport and turning it into a math competition! :nerds:
do free throws attract stupidity, or are stupid people attracted to free throws?
I'm down with this but have some concerns that all the analysis aside FTs aren't distributed evenly throughout the game and that other teams can influence that distribution in crunch time. We were OK at end games last year because Denis and Jake owned the ball and got to the line. Need others players to help Jake in that role this year. Obvious candidates are McGruder, Spradling and Irving. Right now, I don't have a lot of confidence in two of those players.
Nothing brings out the hypersensitive goemawtards and the "everything will be okay . . . whatever Frank says is fine by me" suck dicks like pointing out how badly K-State shoots FT's. In between rubbing it out over the latest K-State Basketball poster, you clutch your little emawtard dolls tight and pray to the flying spaghetti monster that FT shooting doesn't cost K-State a huge game this year.
It started out bad last year and it got better . . . however this year it has started out woeful, and "better" for this team at this juncture is just slightly above extremely mediocre. With the whistle happy Big 12 refs on the horizon K-State had better get to extremely mediocre pretty fast. Right now, many of the guys on the team look absolutely terrified at the FT line, they're not rimming out, they're clanks.
Nothing brings out the hypersensitive goemawtards and the "everything will be okay . . . whatever Frank says is fine by me" suck dicks like pointing out how badly K-State shoots FT's. In between rubbing it out over the latest K-State Basketball poster, you clutch your little emawtard dolls tight and pray to the flying spaghetti monster that FT shooting doesn't cost K-State a huge game this year.
It started out bad last year and it got better . . . however this year it has started out woeful, and "better" for this team at this juncture is just slightly above extremely mediocre. With the whistle happy Big 12 refs on the horizon K-State had better get to extremely mediocre pretty fast. Right now, many of the guys on the team look absolutely terrified at the FT line, they're not rimming out, they're clanks.
2, 6, 3, 4, 5. numbers of teams that shot under 60% in each of the last 5 years.
do free throws attract stupidity, or are stupid people attracted to free throws?
Old farts would know Gene Keady played football at K-State.
But the serene knowledge that I could travel back in time to the Truman administration and kick my similarly-aged grandfather’s butt in a free throw contest has always made me provisionally skeptical of laments that things aren’t like they were in the good old days.