goemaw.com
TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: massofcatfan on November 23, 2010, 08:27:56 AM
-
Concern from the East:
His career would likely resemble that of Tyrel Reeds at best.
He's a poor man's Brady Morningstar. Don't see why we would want that.
He would not be getting many minutes at KU.
I have 2 words "Conner Teahan". Not bagging on Conner that's my guy, but that's the difference in going to KU and K-State.
There is honestly nothing about his game that impresses me. His ball handling looks like a 7th grader working on his cross over and between the legs moves.
Martins not exactly lighting it up in recruiting. I'll take our chances against the likes of Spradling and Nino Williams. We'll be throwing 5/4 star talent in the future at them like Taylor, EJ, Releford, Royce, and possible (Likely) stud recruits like McLemore, Paige, and Jackson. I'll take the talent we have over the fringe Top 100 recruits they will have in their backcourt the next few years. Not worried about Spradling or anybody else on K-States roster at all.
And we never recruited Spradling out of highschool. He was never on the coaching staffs radar. That should explain to you why he went to KSU.
I can only hope that kid is their PG for the next 3 years
.....loose cannon. But then they all are at State. They play a really undisciplined game, but luck is on their side right now.
I'm not saying he won't be able to contribute - but KU would only look at a kid like this if he wanted to walk on. I'll take EJ.
don't want
His father went there(K-st) so he wasn't going anywhere else.
Your telling me that if a KU,Duke,Kentucky had come calling when he was in HS, he would have stuck with KSU?
by the way, overall i think the ksu bandwagon is about to hit a ditch, they are over-rated nationally. their bigs are sloppy, they are not well coached, that frank approach is going to have a negative affect tonight. i just don't think that they are very well coached.
The kid is fine but I think Self and staff thinks we can do better and did better.
I don't understand why everyone is sucking this kid's balls. He's going to get eaten up by quicker, more athletic guards.
And he's a point guard the same way Brady Morningstar is a point guard. By default.
-
Will 'loose cannon' Spradling
-
concern noted!
-
Will 'loose cannon' Spradling
A player on the edge, living by his own rules....
-
Sprads is gonna be around till he's 30? :woot:
-
:opcat:
-
man, that had to take you a while. grood job!
NICE POST!
:runaway:
-
They just can't admit Self missed something. Probably still think Burks sucks, too.
-
Will the thrill spradling.... Would will barton mind sharing? Real talk tho, sprads has impressed me. Shoots the three well, great court vision, solid on ball defender, good looking future for him
-
"poor man's Brady Morningstar"
iknowrite!
but only because his dad hasn't illegally siphoned hundreds of thousands of dollars from an illegal ticket scheme
-
spradling looks great so far for a 3 star freshmen or even a low 5 star but he wouldn't be getting playing time for ku at this point as they have a log jam of talent in the backcourt. He looks better than either Reed or Morningstar looked as freshmen but I doubt Self would give him PT over Wooldridge or Johnson at this point.
-
spradling looks great so far for a 3 star freshmen or even a low 5 star but he wouldn't be getting playing time for ku at this point as they have a log jam of talent in the backcourt. He looks better than either Reed or Morningstar looked as freshmen but I doubt Self would give him PT over Wooldridge or Johnson at this point.
O.K.
-
spradling looks great so far for a 3 star freshmen or even a low 5 star but he wouldn't be getting playing time for ku at this point as they have a log jam of talent in the backcourt. He looks better than either Reed or Morningstar looked as freshmen but I doubt Self would give him PT over Wooldridge or Johnson at this point.
so a guy who is getting considerable playing time on a team that is ranked higher, and generally evaluated as a better team, would not get playing time at a lesser quality basketball team. got it. thanks.
-
spradling looks great so far for a 3 star freshmen or even a low 5 star but he wouldn't be getting playing time for ku at this point as they have a log jam of talent in the backcourt. He looks better than either Reed or Morningstar looked as freshmen but I doubt Self would give him PT over Wooldridge or Johnson at this point.
so a guy who is getting considerable playing time on a team that is ranked higher, and generally evaluated as a better team, would not get playing time at a lesser quality basketball team. got it. thanks.
:lol:
-
They're right about Frank's recruiting. Self has nothing to worry about. <-Serious. :frown:
-
Not worried about Spradling or anybody else on K-States roster at all.
Anyone who would waste their valuable (maybe in their own mind) time to write this is definately trying to once again valadite their team and are
most certainly worried.
now GTFA. :users:
-
The boy with an iron will! Iron Will!!!
Imagine a picture of the Iron Will movie cover if you wish. Then someone else can imagine photoshopping it with Sprads' face. I feel I've done enough.
-
Morningstar is old enough to be Spradlings father. Tough to compare players of different eras.
-
spradling looks great so far for a 3 star freshmen or even a low 5 star but he wouldn't be getting playing time for ku at this point as they have a log jam of talent in the backcourt. He looks better than either Reed or Morningstar looked as freshmen but I doubt Self would give him PT over Wooldridge or Johnson at this point.
so a guy who is getting considerable playing time on a team that is ranked higher, and generally evaluated as a better team, would not get playing time at a lesser quality basketball team. got it. thanks.
every situations different and spradling would have to beat out a handful of really talented guards to get PT. I'm just being realistic here. KSU is better than KU but KU still has more talent. Do you really think that Self would be playing Spradling? he's got veteran role players already and some freakishly talented guards in Selby and Johnson. Taylor looks pretty good this year so far as well. So you think that he'd beat out 2 veteran white boys, two possible future pro's and a lottery pick? that seems a little unreasonable to say the least.
-
spradling looks great so far for a 3 star freshmen or even a low 5 star but he wouldn't be getting playing time for ku at this point as they have a log jam of talent in the backcourt. He looks better than either Reed or Morningstar looked as freshmen but I doubt Self would give him PT over Wooldridge or Johnson at this point.
so a guy who is getting considerable playing time on a team that is ranked higher, and generally evaluated as a better team, would not get playing time at a lesser quality basketball team. got it. thanks.
every situations different and spradling would have to beat out a handful of really talented guards to get PT. I'm just being realistic here. KSU is better than KU but KU still has more talent. Do you really think that Self would be playing Spradling? he's got veteran role players already and some freakishly talented guards in Selby and Johnson. Taylor looks pretty good this year so far as well. So you think that he'd beat out 2 veteran white boys, two possible future pro's and a lottery pick? that seems a little unreasonable to say the least.
I assume Self won't play Sebly as he is obviously a paid player and will force ku to forfeit any game he plays in. So take him out of the equation.
-
Oh, man, the KSU experts from Lawrence have spoken. Will Spradling has no future. We should have pity and give him playing time to ease the pain Spradling must feel.
-
Oh, man, the KSU experts from Lawrence have spoken. Will Spradling has no future. We should have pity and give him playing time to ease the pain Spradling must feel.
spradling is going to be a damn good 4 year player, who says otherwise?
-
DAMN GOOD!
-
spradling looks great so far for a 3 star freshmen or even a low 5 star but he wouldn't be getting playing time for ku at this point as they have a log jam of talent in the backcourt
As anyone watching the game last night could see, that's also the case at K-State.
-
spradling looks great so far for a 3 star freshmen or even a low 5 star but he wouldn't be getting playing time for ku at this point as they have a log jam of talent in the backcourt
As anyone watching the game last night could see, that's also the case at K-State.
how so?
KSU is in desperate need of a backup PG while KU has no shortage of combo guards ala self's system. Also, self has never played freshmen much except on a few occasions like 06 and 09 where he had to.
-
The difference is KSU can go 5 deep in the front court as well as 5 deep in the backcourt, WITHOUT drop off. KSU's reserves are as good as the starters and they will wear you out.
-
Yep, and 95 hasn't seen the floor yet.
-
KU just comes at you in waves. Serious. Like stormtroopers in Star Wars or something. Scary good. Im concerned.
-
desperate
cork sniffer, more like glue sniffer
-
My first thought was male genitals sniffer. :dunno:
-
spradling looks great so far for a 3 star freshmen or even a low 5 star but he wouldn't be getting playing time for ku at this point as they have a log jam of talent in the backcourt. He looks better than either Reed or Morningstar looked as freshmen but I doubt Self would give him PT over Wooldridge or Johnson at this point.
so a guy who is getting considerable playing time on a team that is ranked higher, and generally evaluated as a better team, would not get playing time at a lesser quality basketball team. got it. thanks.
every situations different and spradling would have to beat out a handful of really talented guards to get PT. I'm just being realistic here. KSU is better than KU but KU still has more talent. Do you really think that Self would be playing Spradling? he's got veteran role players already and some freakishly talented guards in Selby and Johnson. Taylor looks pretty good this year so far as well. So you think that he'd beat out 2 veteran white boys, two possible future pro's and a lottery pick? that seems a little unreasonable to say the least.
i'm not saying that Spradling is the next jesus of kstatebasketball. but the talent argument is dumb. talent doesn't always equate to the best possible player at a given position. role players have their spots as well. and in a position like point guard bbiq plays a substantial role in being successful. you can make the "talent", whatever the eff that means, argument in relation to every kstate player. i don't give a crap about talent, i give a crap about production and realization of said talent. saying a player is more talented is like admitting that they have the tools available they just don't use them because they don't know how to use the important ones to their full potential. this is why michigan state has dominated the basketball world for the past 15 years or so. and this is why kstate (still extremely talented) is playing better basketball than KU.
-
The difference is KSU can go 5 deep in the front court as well as 5 deep in the backcourt, WITHOUT drop off. KSU's reserves are as good as the starters and they will wear you out.
that is just silly. I love this ksu team but Henriquez-Roberts is still a huge drop off in talent. There is nobody close to Pullen's level of play and as good as spradling is he's still a freshman.
If I understand your post you are saying that:
Pullen +/or Russell +/or Macgruder = Spradling +/or Irving ?
-
spradling looks great so far for a 3 star freshmen or even a low 5 star but he wouldn't be getting playing time for ku at this point as they have a log jam of talent in the backcourt. He looks better than either Reed or Morningstar looked as freshmen but I doubt Self would give him PT over Wooldridge or Johnson at this point.
so a guy who is getting considerable playing time on a team that is ranked higher, and generally evaluated as a better team, would not get playing time at a lesser quality basketball team. got it. thanks.
every situations different and spradling would have to beat out a handful of really talented guards to get PT. I'm just being realistic here. KSU is better than KU but KU still has more talent. Do you really think that Self would be playing Spradling? he's got veteran role players already and some freakishly talented guards in Selby and Johnson. Taylor looks pretty good this year so far as well. So you think that he'd beat out 2 veteran white boys, two possible future pro's and a lottery pick? that seems a little unreasonable to say the least.
i'm not saying that Spradling is the next jesus of kstatebasketball. but the talent argument is dumb. talent doesn't always equate to the best possible player at a given position. role players have their spots as well. and in a position like point guard bbiq plays a substantial role in being successful. you can make the "talent", whatever the eff that means, argument in relation to every kstate player. i don't give a cac about talent, i give a cac about production and realization of said talent. saying a player is more talented is like admitting that they have the tools available they just don't use them because they don't know how to use the important ones to their full potential. this is why michigan state has dominated the basketball world for the past 15 years or so. and this is why kstate (still extremely talented) is playing better basketball than KU.
well I agree but I think you are a little too high on spradling and a little too low on the jayhawks talent at this point. even if KSU is playing better basketball than KU right now it doesn't really mean that KU would play Spradling over their returning guards. In fact Spradling wouldn't probably suit up and would have red-shirted this year. Woolridge is a pretty talented guard and he's not seeing any PT at this point and I find it hard to believe that Spradling is considerably better than him.
-
Henriquez-Roberts is still a huge drop off in talent.
Not really. The only time there is a significant drop in talent is when Pullen comes out of the game.
-
Henriquez-Roberts is still a huge drop off in talent.
Not really. The only time there is a significant drop in talent is when Pullen comes out of the game.
you can't be serious.
-
The difference is KSU can go 5 deep in the front court as well as 5 deep in the backcourt, WITHOUT drop off. KSU's reserves are as good as the starters and they will wear you out.
that is just silly. I love this ksu team but Henriquez-Roberts is still a huge drop off in talent. There is nobody close to Pullen's level of play and as good as spradling is he's still a freshman.
If I understand your post you are saying that:
Pullen +/or Russell +/or Macgruder = Spradling +/or Irving ?
Lets put it this way Pullen played like 12 minutes against Va Tech and we did not miss him. I saw no drop off of defensive intensity, and lets be honest that is what KSU does is Ugly up games by playing hard nosed defense. All of the gaurds have been shooting the ball well and to be honest Pullen is probably our most turn over prone gaurde right now. So yes from what I have seen is all of our gaurds are interchangable. As for JO he has his moments but he can rebound and we do not lose much defensivly, he also has a midrange jumper he will drop from time to time. Also has a 3 point stroke but doubt Frank will let that be seen in a game.
-
Henriquez-Roberts is still a huge drop off in talent.
Not really. The only time there is a significant drop in talent is when Pullen comes out of the game.
you can't be serious.
I feel just as comfortable with JO in the game as I do with Asprilla or Judge.
-
Henriquez-Roberts is still a huge drop off in talent.
Not really. The only time there is a significant drop in talent is when Pullen comes out of the game.
you can't be serious.
Agree with nutskicked. Henriquez-Roberts, Judge, Asprilla all have about equal strengths and weaknesses. We have two obvious drop-offs in talent. When Pullen is not in the game and when CK is not in the game, and even then we tend to hold our own pretty well.
-
Henriquez-Roberts can't even walk straight let alone bang inside. He's improved greatly but he's still not on the level you guys claim he's at. He got worked last night on both ends of the floor.
-
Henriquez-Roberts can't even walk straight let alone bang inside. He's improved greatly but he's still not on the level you guys claim he's at. He got worked last night on both ends of the floor.
No, you think that Wally and Asprilla are better than they are. They all look equally bad at times
-
A few games against piss poor competition hasn't convinced me Taylor has overcome the inconsistency and immaturity he displayed for two full years. And it's clear he just isn't a quality person, so I'm not drinking from that Kool-Aid class just yet.
Johnson, hasn't done anything against a big-time opponent, ever.
Shelby is supposed to be really good.
Reed and Morningstar are what they are, kind of foundation guys.
-
heres the thing, i'm not high on spradling at all. but the fact that he is a freshman getting significant pt on a top 5 team is indicative of his level of play. the fact that pundits are already comparing him to denis clemente and that he has played relatively well against 2 top 25 teams goes to show something. just sayin...
-
heres the thing, i'm not high on spradling at all. but the fact that he is a freshman getting significant pt on a top 5 team is indicative of his level of play. the fact that pundits are already comparing him to denis clemente and that he has played relatively well against 2 top 25 teams goes to show something. just sayin...
I agree.
I still say he would be on the bench for KU though.
-
heres the thing, i'm not high on spradling at all. but the fact that he is a freshman getting significant pt on a top 5 team is indicative of his level of play. the fact that pundits are already comparing him to denis clemente and that he has played relatively well against 2 top 25 teams goes to show something. just sayin...
I agree.
I still say he would be on the bench for KU though.
who gives a flying eff? was he thinking about playing for ku or something?
look, if it makes you feel better to know that our 5th guard wouldn't be playing for you guys that much, congratufuckinglations. have fun against some team from texas tonight while the eyes of college basketball are on k-state.
-
E Johnson's talent is obviously not working for him. The guy hasnt done anything at all that says he is better than Will Spradling lol.
-
Sprads has a drinking problem? :runaway: (ftp://:runaway:)
-
heres the thing, i'm not high on spradling at all. but the fact that he is a freshman getting significant pt on a top 5 team is indicative of his level of play. the fact that pundits are already comparing him to denis clemente and that he has played relatively well against 2 top 25 teams goes to show something. just sayin...
I agree.
I still say he would be on the bench for KU though.
And be at Texas A&M Corpus Christi tonight, watching a schedule-filler game instead playing yet another ranked team.
-
heres the thing, i'm not high on spradling at all. but the fact that he is a freshman getting significant pt on a top 5 team is indicative of his level of play. the fact that pundits are already comparing him to denis clemente and that he has played relatively well against 2 top 25 teams goes to show something. just sayin...
I agree.
I still say he would be on the bench for KU though.
who gives a flying eff? was he thinking about playing for ku or something?
look, if it makes you feel better to know that our 5th guard wouldn't be playing for you guys that much, congratueffinglations. have fun against some team from texas tonight while the eyes of college basketball are on k-state.
ok, the point being that spradling is much better than anticipated but he's getting PT because KSU doesn't have anyone else really.
-
Sprads has a drinking problem? :runaway: (ftp://:runaway:)
We better make sure he's not at P&L after the game tonight. Long drive back down I-70
-
heres the thing, i'm not high on spradling at all. but the fact that he is a freshman getting significant pt on a top 5 team is indicative of his level of play. the fact that pundits are already comparing him to denis clemente and that he has played relatively well against 2 top 25 teams goes to show something. just sayin...
I agree.
I still say he would be on the bench for KU though.
who gives a flying eff? was he thinking about playing for ku or something?
look, if it makes you feel better to know that our 5th guard wouldn't be playing for you guys that much, congratueffinglations. have fun against some team from texas tonight while the eyes of college basketball are on k-state.
ok, the point being that spradling is much better than anticipated but he's getting PT because KSU doesn't have anyone else really.
He's getting playing time because he's a badass who makes the competition cry. I guess Bill Self doesn't care about that. I wouldn't know, though. You're the KU fan; you tell me.
-
heres the thing, i'm not high on spradling at all. but the fact that he is a freshman getting significant pt on a top 5 team is indicative of his level of play. the fact that pundits are already comparing him to denis clemente and that he has played relatively well against 2 top 25 teams goes to show something. just sayin...
I agree.
I still say he would be on the bench for KU though.
who gives a flying eff? was he thinking about playing for ku or something?
look, if it makes you feel better to know that our 5th guard wouldn't be playing for you guys that much, congratueffinglations. have fun against some team from texas tonight while the eyes of college basketball are on k-state.
ok, the point being that spradling is much better than anticipated but he's getting PT because KSU doesn't have anyone else really.
He's getting playing time because he's a badass who makes the competition cry. I guess Bill Self doesn't care about that. I wouldn't know, though. You're the KU fan; you tell me.
KU got selby...KSU got spradling. I think KU got the better end of the deal but you are entitled to your opinion.
-
KU got selby...KSU got spradling. I think KU got the better end of the deal but you are entitled to your opinion.
One is getting significant minutes for a top 5 program. The other one has been eating cheetos on the couch for the last month. Who got the better deal again?
-
KU got selby...KSU got spradling. I think KU got the better end of the deal but you are entitled to your opinion.
One is getting significant minutes for a top 5 program. The other one has been eating cheetos on the couch for the last month. Who got the better deal again?
wow, did you think before you posted a response to this?
-
KU got selby...KSU got spradling. I think KU got the better end of the deal but you are entitled to your opinion.
One is getting significant minutes for a top 5 program. The other one has been eating cheetos on the couch for the last month. Who got the better deal again?
wow, did you think before you posted a response to this?
Show me Selby's stats and tell me why he's contributing more than Spradling.
-
My first thought was crock sniffer. :dunno:
Mine was crotch sniffer :facepalm:
-
KU got selby...KSU got spradling. I think KU got the better end of the deal but you are entitled to your opinion.
One is getting significant minutes for a top 5 program. The other one has been eating cheetos on the couch for the last month. Who got the better deal again?
wow, did you think before you posted a response to this?
Show me Selby's stats and tell me why he's contributing more than Spradling.
nice argument. I'm 100% in support of spradling and i'm glad he is doing so well. I'll just leave it at that.
-
My first thought was crock sniffer. :dunno:
Mine was crotch sniffer :facepalm:
[spoiler]cork soaker[/spoiler]
-
We must admit.
Frank and other coaches are good at evaluating talent.
-
Cork soaker reminds me of that Johnny Dangerously movie. I love that movie.
-
...up to 7 pages on phog.net; I can no longer keep up
KSU has been looking for a Tyrel Reed-like player for a while. He's not on the same level athletically as Reed and Brady, but he's a good fit for what KSU needs in that system.
There's a reason the KU coaches never looked his way.
He will be a nice 4 year role player for state. I still think he will struggle in conference play.
anyone who would take spradling over royce is a moron.
To be fair, Spradling is competing for playing time against Martavious "Brick City" Irving and Juevol "Canadian Juco" Myles. The kid's a solid player, but it's not like he's got much competition for playing time. He's basically a younger version of Reed/Morningstar.
The fact of the matter is that he probably wouldn't be seeing the floor at KU this year. KU has better players than Spradling in Releford and Johnson that are going to have trouble getting minutes once Selby is back. One thing I will say is that I don't see Spradling being a real difference maker down the road. If he is one of your best guards next year and you don't have a guy like Pullen next to him, then you guys will struggle.
All I know is that guards win games in March, and I would not want a player that is labeled as "physically limited" to be bringing the ball up the court.
-
Cork soaker reminds me of that Johnny Dangerously movie. I love that movie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dv8tVxk6Nj4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dv8tVxk6Nj4)
-
All I know is that guards win games in March, and I would not want a player that is labeled as "physically limited" to be bringing the ball up the court.
Was I watching the wrong game? I could have sworn I saw two physically limited teams Duke it out last spring while all those super athletic guys sat at home trying to figure out how to feed themselves.
-
...up to 7 pages on phog.net; I can no longer keep up
KSU has been looking for a Tyrel Reed-like player for a while. He's not on the same level athletically as Reed and Brady, but he's a good fit for what KSU needs in that system.
There's a reason the KU coaches never looked his way.
He will be a nice 4 year role player for state. I still think he will struggle in conference play.
anyone who would take spradling over royce is a moron.
To be fair, Spradling is competing for playing time against Martavious "Brick City" Irving and Juevol "Canadian Juco" Myles. The kid's a solid player, but it's not like he's got much competition for playing time. He's basically a younger version of Reed/Morningstar.
The fact of the matter is that he probably wouldn't be seeing the floor at KU this year. KU has better players than Spradling in Releford and Johnson that are going to have trouble getting minutes once Selby is back. One thing I will say is that I don't see Spradling being a real difference maker down the road. If he is one of your best guards next year and you don't have a guy like Pullen next to him, then you guys will struggle.
All I know is that guards win games in March, and I would not want a player that is labeled as "physically limited" to be bringing the ball up the court.
"Brick City" has been playing extremely well. You are an idiot. I hope someone rapes your face.
-
Looks like Christmas came early this year Q@zfanz. I've had, "a player of Brady Morningstar's (of the KU jayhawkers) skill and good judgement" on my list to Santa since March. :emawkid:
-
All I know is that guards win games in March, and I would not want a player that is labeled as "physically limited" to be bringing the ball up the court.
Was I watching the wrong game? I could have sworn I saw two physically limited teams Duke it out last spring while all those super athletic guys sat at home trying to figure out how to feed themselves.
that is what makes college basketball so fun, it's not all about having the best athletes with the most potential. That being said more often than not the best players tend to deliver in march and you could view last year as an exception. 09, 08, 07, 06, 05, 04, 03...all featured future NBA talent dominating.
-
How many of those years did you get UNI'd?
-
How many of those years did you get UNI'd?
I think you have me mistaken for someone else.
-
...up to 7 pages on phog.net; I can no longer keep up
KSU has been looking for a Tyrel Reed-like player for a while. He's not on the same level athletically as Reed and Brady, but he's a good fit for what KSU needs in that system.
There's a reason the KU coaches never looked his way.
He will be a nice 4 year role player for state. I still think he will struggle in conference play.
anyone who would take spradling over royce is a moron.
To be fair, Spradling is competing for playing time against Martavious "Brick City" Irving and Juevol "Canadian Juco" Myles. The kid's a solid player, but it's not like he's got much competition for playing time. He's basically a younger version of Reed/Morningstar.
The fact of the matter is that he probably wouldn't be seeing the floor at KU this year. KU has better players than Spradling in Releford and Johnson that are going to have trouble getting minutes once Selby is back. One thing I will say is that I don't see Spradling being a real difference maker down the road. If he is one of your best guards next year and you don't have a guy like Pullen next to him, then you guys will struggle.
All I know is that guards win games in March, and I would not want a player that is labeled as "physically limited" to be bringing the ball up the court.
"Brick City" has been playing extremely well. You are an idiot. I hope someone rapes your face.
That quote actually came from BMW.
-
But then they all are at State. They play a really undisciplined game, but luck is on their side right.
And he's a point guard the same way Brady Morningstar is a point guard.
[/quote]
mommy. Way to start all you sentences with a preposition you dooche nozzle, apparently Spad's ballhandling and your grammar are 7th grade quality.