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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: Kat Kid on February 10, 2010, 10:14:50 PM
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Doc in his painfully earnest drawl--- "Don't forget, we came here to win tonight." No crap? On your home court? Nice reminder Doc.
The tropes from Franklin about "no reward" for their outstanding effort, seeing practice where they "were breaking down that zone just exactly the way Doc wanted."
Then the end, just no athletes, no ability to make a play and win a game.
Good God, the SLTH fog of war was so thick, I got Wooly flashbacks.
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I'm glad they lost. Baylor might be our best win in a couple weeks when Texas keeps spiraling.
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"We didn't get enough stops."
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"We didn't get enough stops."
DOC! YOU WERE HELD TO 53 POINTS!
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"We didn't get enough stops."
DOC! YOU WERE HELD TO 53 POINTS!
Not to mention 4-21 from behind the arc and 18-57 inside. :barf:
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at least 5-7 of those were wide open from running good offense.
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why do all these idiot coaches insist on running the shot clock down to nothing so there's only 15 on the game clock? WTF does that accomplish?
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why do all these idiot coaches insist on running the shot clock down to nothing so there's only 15 on the game clock? WTF does that accomplish?
You can't leave time on the clock! It is a sure fire way to lose! :runaway:
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why do all these idiot coaches insist on running the shot clock down to nothing so there's only 15 on the game clock? WTF does that accomplish?
Because they don't just want a "good" shot, they want the "best" shot.
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why do all these idiot coaches insist on running the shot clock down to nothing so there's only 15 on the game clock? WTF does that accomplish?
apparently, they believe that their team only needs 5 seconds to get a shot, but that the opposing team needs at least 15.
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Making the defense work to guard for a longer period of time increases the probability that they'll make a mistake and allow the SLTH offense to take advantage with an easy basket.
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Making the defense work to guard for a longer period of time increases the probability that they'll make a mistake and allow the SLTH offense to take advantage with an easy basket.
Holding the ball 35 feet from the basket doesn't force defenses to do all that much work.
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Making the defense work to guard for a longer period of time increases the probability that they'll make a mistake and allow the SLTH offense to take advantage with an easy basket.
Holding the ball 35 feet from the basket doesn't force defenses to do all that much work.
I've never seen this other than at the end of a half.
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Making the defense work to guard for a longer period of time increases the probability that they'll make a mistake and allow the SLTH offense to take advantage with an easy basket.
Holding the ball 35 feet from the basket doesn't force defenses to do all that much work.
I've never seen this other than at the end of a half.
Which was MICat's point. Running the game clock down is dumb when your opponent is going to have time for a possesion. Pat Knight and Doc Saddler have done it on consecutive nights.
Dumb.
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Oh, my mistake. In that case, a reason would be wanting to give your opponent less time to have the ball in their possession. That's reasonable enough.
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Arnt they getting some downtown arena thingy?
I mean.... why? :blindfold:
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Oh, my mistake. In that case, a reason would be wanting to give your opponent less time to have the ball in their possession. That's reasonable enough.
This actually happened twice this week in Big 12 games - TT and NU sat on the ball for 25-30 seconds before trying to do anything, and neither one got the ball close to the rim. They both gave the other team about 15 seconds of game clock - OU got 2 shots, and BU won the game. Replacing a turnover/horrible shot on offense with a decent shot in those situations would have been more valuable than shaving 10 seconds on the game clock to get it down to 15. They hurt themselves a lot more than they hurt the other team.
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Maybe this is a dumb question, but what is a slth? A sloth? :confused:
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Oh, my mistake. In that case, a reason would be wanting to give your opponent less time to have the ball in their possession. That's reasonable enough.
This actually happened twice this week in Big 12 games - TT and NU sat on the ball for 25-30 seconds before trying to do anything, and neither one got the ball close to the rim. They both gave the other team about 15 seconds of game clock - OU got 2 shots, and BU won the game. Replacing a turnover/horrible shot on offense with a decent shot in those situations would have been more valuable than shaving 10 seconds on the game clock to get it down to 15. They hurt themselves a lot more than they hurt the other team.
Does it make sense if you think your team is inferior?
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Maybe this is a dumb question, but what is a slth? A sloth? :confused:
Solid Long Term Hire. It was started when everyone threw fits when we hired Huggins and then Martin. Everyone said we should have gotten a Solid Long Term Hire like McDermott, Sadler, BzD, etc.
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Maybe this is a dumb question, but what is a slth? A sloth? :confused:
Solid, long term hire. It's a negative thing about coaches that have no real ability to become consistently good. We had ours with Wooly. Best examples of SLTHs in the conference right now are probably McNeck, Bzdlkwerzck, and The Doctor.
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Thanks guys.
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Oh, my mistake. In that case, a reason would be wanting to give your opponent less time to have the ball in their possession. That's reasonable enough.
This actually happened twice this week in Big 12 games - TT and NU sat on the ball for 25-30 seconds before trying to do anything, and neither one got the ball close to the rim. They both gave the other team about 15 seconds of game clock - OU got 2 shots, and BU won the game. Replacing a turnover/horrible shot on offense with a decent shot in those situations would have been more valuable than shaving 10 seconds on the game clock to get it down to 15. They hurt themselves a lot more than they hurt the other team.
NU holding the ball was only a mistake because the other team won, otherwise it would have been a great coaching move. i mean, the turnover/horrible shot was only a horrible shot because it didn't go in. i was taught this a few weeks ago on ksufans.com.
what would you want Doc to have them do, run a three man weave for an open lay up? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Maybe this is a dumb question, but what is a slth? A sloth? :confused:
Solid Long Term Hire. It was started when everyone threw fits when we hired Huggins and then Martin. Everyone said we should have gotten a Solid Long Term Hire like McDermott, Sadler, BzD, etc.
wait up. everyone? count me off the list.
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Maybe this is a dumb question, but what is a slth? A sloth? :confused:
Solid Long Term Hire. It was started when everyone threw fits when we hired Huggins and then Martin. Everyone said we should have gotten a Solid Long Term Hire like McDermott, Sadler, BzD, etc.
wait up. everyone? count me off the list.
When I say everyone I mean everyone but us.....us meaning elite message boarders (and you)
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Does it make sense if you think your team is inferior?
no. see my response mid-thread.
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NU holding the ball was only a mistake because the other team won, otherwise it would have been a great coaching move. i mean, the turnover/horrible shot was only a horrible shot because it didn't go in. i was taught this a few weeks ago on ksufans.com.
what would you want Doc to have them do, run a three man weave for an open lay up? :lol: :lol: :lol:
True.
Like most close games, it really comes down to if you have make playmakers that can consistently make plays. NU's best play down the stretch was when Jeter got into the lane and kicked out for the 3 to give NU the lead. But then BU amped up the defense and took penetration away, on the last play Jeter tried to penetrate but the ball got stripped momentarily leaving him only a forced, guarded shot. Meanwhile Baylor came down, isolated Udoh, and he scored the go ahead basket, and though he was clearly better than the guy guarding him, it was a difficult play to make.
I think the problem, especially for a team with few playmakers, is when you run down the clock and your first option is taken away, you are pretty much done. That is what happened to NU down the stretch. They did get one decent look for Richardson from 3 on the possession before Baylor took the lead, he just missed.
Pretty much life as a SLTH fan, most of them lose close games b/c they lack playmakers. Overall Sadler did a great job of muddying up and slowing down the game to get to that point. Making Baylor play a <60 possession game is exactly what they wanted to do overall.
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I don't understand why coaches do the following:
(a) won't go for 2 for 1's at the end of games/halfs: coaches will admit that they can get "shots" early in the shot clock but that "you can get that shot any time", so work for something closer/better. well, if you can get that shot and it's with a shooter, take it. You get the benefit of "playing defense" - something all coaches just love for some reason, and then get to have the ball in your hands to end the game - something coaches should love more than "playing defense", imo.
(b) wait so long to take a shot when they have the ball under 35. It usually means you're taking a desperation shot because as the game clock winds down, it becomes more and more chaotic and the defense usually becomes more and more physical and the refs become more and more less likely to call a foul (save for us, the refs have no problem f'ing us in the A). They usually want the shot up with 5-7 seconds, but I think that's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). it fails to recognize that you're probably shooting less than 50% from the field so the likelihood you make the shot is <50%, so plan accordingly.
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Does it make sense if you think your team is inferior?
no. see my response mid-thread.
If you there are 45 seconds left on the clock, a superior team has a better chance of winning than if there ar 15 seconds left on the clock. They simply have more opportunity to exert their superior ability.
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Frank said it himself..and so did Wooly when he was headed out the door. You've got to have the best talent to be successful...and we're building that now. It think the record speaks for itself. 5-1 on the road speaks for itself.
SLTH list:
P. Knight
McDermott
Sadler
Bdzelik(sp?)
out of the futile group....every single one is dealing with rumors about being ousted at the end of next season or the year after.
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Frank said it himself..and so did Wooly when he was headed out the door. You've got to have the best talent to be successful...and we're building that now. It think the record speaks for itself. 5-1 on the road speaks for itself.
SLTH list:
P. Knight
McDermott
Sadler
Bdzelik(sp?)
out of the futile group....every single one is dealing with rumors about being ousted at the end of next season or the year after.
Yeah, we already have about a 3 page thread on this board discussing SLTH qualifications.
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I don't understand why coaches do the following:
(a) won't go for 2 for 1's at the end of games/halfs: coaches will admit that they can get "shots" early in the shot clock but that "you can get that shot any time", so work for something closer/better. well, if you can get that shot and it's with a shooter, take it. You get the benefit of "playing defense" - something all coaches just love for some reason, and then get to have the ball in your hands to end the game - something coaches should love more than "playing defense", imo.
(b) wait so long to take a shot when they have the ball under 35. It usually means you're taking a desperation shot because as the game clock winds down, it becomes more and more chaotic and the defense usually becomes more and more physical and the refs become more and more less likely to call a foul (save for us, the refs have no problem f'ing us in the A). They usually want the shot up with 5-7 seconds, but I think that's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). it fails to recognize that you're probably shooting less than 50% from the field so the likelihood you make the shot is <50%, so plan accordingly.
agree on b. on a, i've always thought this too, and have recently been paying a lot of attention to clock mgmt at the end of halves/games. 2 for 1 is probably a little underutilized, but not as much as it might seem. it's really hard with a 35 second clock as there's so much room for the opposing team to take a short or long possession. the other difference with the nba is that college teams have a ton of turnovers, fouls, violations, etc that change the equation. it's a lot noisier than it might seem.
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If you there are 45 seconds left on the clock, a superior team has a better chance of winning than if there ar 15 seconds left on the clock. They simply have more opportunity to exert their superior ability.
that's just one side of the equation. you also have to factor in your ability to score in 35 seconds vs 5 seconds.
really, my original post stated all this, concisely and clearly.
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So sad... (http://huskerhoopscentral.activeboard.com/index.spark?aBID=113259&p=3&topicID=33925900) Almost feel sorry for those poor souls.
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If the Jays don't win in St. Louis, I wonder if the NCAA would match us up with them in an early round game? It would probably make more $$ than most games I would think?
:lol:
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If you there are 45 seconds left on the clock, a superior team has a better chance of winning than if there ar 15 seconds left on the clock. They simply have more opportunity to exert their superior ability.
that's just one side of the equation. you also have to factor in your ability to score in 35 seconds vs 5 seconds.
really, my original post stated all this, concisely and clearly.
No, because they're superior, your ability to score in a shorter period of time is diminished by far less than their opportunity to do all kinds of damage in a longer period of time.
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jimmy -- We need as many games as we can. If playing in the Lincoln rec league was legal, I'd be all for it. Bring on the CBI. I think the Big 12 should get all of their teams some post season action.
this is awesome. love the "bowl game practice" mentaility. it would actually be a detriment cause doc couldn't be out recruiting better players.
p.s. I can't go back to this. I just can't.
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p.s. I can't go back to this. I just can't.
that's what isu fans thought. now, they're loving it.
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No, because they're superior, your ability to score in a shorter period of time is diminished by far less than their opportunity to do all kinds of damage in a longer period of time.
imagine the kind of damage they'd do over the course of 40 minutes.
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No, because they're superior, your ability to score in a shorter period of time is diminished by far less than their opportunity to do all kinds of damage in a longer period of time.
imagine the kind of damage they'd do over the course of 40 minutes.
The longer they play, the better their chances of winning are. That's all that matters.
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the sys vs. chum1 chess match is at a 7 minute stalemate
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More SLTHyness from sys's 2nd favorite writer....Sean Keeler
“Greg has had the perfect storm of misfortune and fate and bad luck at a time when the Big 12 has gotten as strong as it’s ever been,” Fraschilla continued. “Without casting aspersions on other programs in the conference, I know Greg is going to always do things on the totally up-and-up. And that’s not throw stones at anybody else, but watching him try to build this program, I know he’s tried to do it the right way.”
The right way takes time. Time and patience. There’s still a long walk ahead, but Saturday was a step in the right direction, at least. Sometimes, you have to get lucky before you get good.
http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/dmr/index.php/2010/01/30/keeler-raw-column-on-isu-64-colorado-63/
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More SLTHyness from sys's 2nd favorite writer....Sean Keeler
“Greg has had the perfect storm of misfortune and fate and bad luck at a time when the Big 12 has gotten as strong as it’s ever been,” Fraschilla continued. “Without casting aspersions on other programs in the conference, I know Greg is going to always do things on the totally up-and-up. And that’s not throw stones at anybody else, but watching him try to build this program, I know he’s tried to do it the right way.”
The right way takes time. Time and patience. There’s still a long walk ahead, but Saturday was a step in the right direction, at least. Sometimes, you have to get lucky before you get good.
http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/dmr/index.php/2010/01/30/keeler-raw-column-on-isu-64-colorado-63/
SLTHs have to love it when the former coach/analyst comes to town and the local beat writer asks the guy questions about the coach. What is Fran's response going to be? "Greg has no shot of getting it done."? No way, coaches support each other and aren't going to throw a peer under the bus. And the diehard SLTH fans are going to eat this up and at least for a while think, "yeah, he really just needs another year to see what he can do here, Frank knows what he's talking about.".
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i saw this the other day, and actually wished we had an slth quote thread. this bzy quote elevates slthery to an art form.
I've told the administration, 'I might not be the right fit for you because I want to build this right, so that when it's right, it's rock solid and it's there forever.'
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i saw this the other day, and actually wished we had an slth quote thread. this bzy quote elevates slthery to an art form.
I've told the administration, 'I might not be the right fit for you because I want to build this right, so that when it's right, it's rock solid and it's there forever.'
That is one of the most amazing slth quotes of all time.
He's really doing his best to take over the best Big 12 SLTH from Doc.
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Well Bzz had to do something after Doc came out with, "We get other team's best shot because we suck" .
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Frank said it himself..and so did Wooly when he was headed out the door. You've got to have the best talent to be successful...and we're building that now. It think the record speaks for itself. 5-1 on the road speaks for itself.
SLTH list:
P. Knight
McDermott
Sadler
Bdzelik(sp?)
out of the futile group....every single one is dealing with rumors about being ousted at the end of next season or the year after.
However, Greg McDermott has this super-awesome contract until 2015 and a buyout of $4 mil. :excited:
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However, Greg McDermott has this super-awesome contract until 2015 and a buyout of $4 mil. :excited:
Come on Haver, what's not to like? (http://www.iowastatedaily.com/articles/2009/02/09/sports/mens_basketball/doc49910ac498019675286743.txt)
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http://www.sportsagentblog.com/2010/02/11/the-value-of-a-coach/ (http://www.sportsagentblog.com/2010/02/11/the-value-of-a-coach/)*
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*Yeah, from a Kitchen tweet.
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Has any coach ever actually gone to a school that is traditionally not very good, built things "the right way" and after a long, drawn out process become a consistently elite basketball school?
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Has any coach ever actually gone to a school that is traditionally not very good, built things "the right way" and after a long, drawn out process become a consistently elite basketball school?
Few and Crew
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Has any coach ever actually gone to a school that is traditionally not very good, built things "the right way" and after a long, drawn out process become a consistently elite basketball school?
Maybe Seth Greenberg at VT. But they aren't elite. But that's probably the closest example. And I'm not sure he does things "the right way".
Tony Bennett and John Beilein might be a good examples, too. But again, not elite.
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Majerus at Utah?
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http://www.sportsagentblog.com/2010/02/11/the-value-of-a-coach/ (http://www.sportsagentblog.com/2010/02/11/the-value-of-a-coach/)*
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*Yeah, from a Kitchen tweet.
There's something wrong with the price per win for McNeck. Should be about 250K or so based on the numbers in the article. Which is still redic. but makes him look slightly better than Pat Knight.
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http://www.sportsagentblog.com/2010/02/11/the-value-of-a-coach/ (http://www.sportsagentblog.com/2010/02/11/the-value-of-a-coach/)*
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*Yeah, from a Kitchen tweet.
There's something wrong with the price per win for McNeck. Should be about 250K or so based on the numbers in the article. Which is still redic. but makes him look slightly better than Pat Knight.
conf wins?
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Maybe this is a dumb question, but what is a slth? A sloth? :confused:
Solid Long Term Hire. It was started when everyone threw fits when we hired Huggins and then Martin. Everyone said we should have gotten a Solid Long Term Hire like McDermott, Sadler, BzD, etc.
Dammit! Sh1t like that happens! I wondered how that applied to basketball coaches, only to learn that SLTH meant something else entirely.
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http://www.sportsagentblog.com/2010/02/11/the-value-of-a-coach/ (http://www.sportsagentblog.com/2010/02/11/the-value-of-a-coach/)*
*Yeah, from a Kitchen tweet.
There's something wrong with the price per win for McNeck. Should be about 250K or so based on the numbers in the article. Which is still redic. but makes him look slightly better than Pat Knight.
conf wins?
Nah...the values are the total budget / total wins. It matches up for all of them except McNeck.
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Has any coach ever actually gone to a school that is traditionally not very good, built things "the right way" and after a long, drawn out process become a consistently elite basketball school?
gonzaga is probably the best modern example. duke should get mention. they were good once, but had been down for over a decade before they knight's favorite slth. georgetown was nothing till thompson. things seem to have stabilized somewhat now, but for a while, big east programs seemed to rise and fall with coaches. seton hall, providence, etc. not sure how true that is though, maybe just my big-east ignorant perception.
maybe mu under stewart?
i think it used to be easier.
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not sure how to evaluate the caveat "the right way". my impression is that anyone that's good is so because they weren't afraid to get dirty (or their program/boosters weren't afraid to). and few at gonzaga is only looked on as clean because he doesn't get elite talent and wins. he still could have to cheat just to get the talent he does.
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yeah, i don't know how you'd evaluate the right way. i don't even know how you'd define the right way.
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There's a couple of reasons I think coaches of underdog college teams wouldn't go for the 2 for 1 (FWIW, Frank said Clemente wanted to do that against Baylor but he shut him down, of course Clemente went for it against KU.)
First, there's no NBA advance the ball to half-court after a timeout at the end of the game.
Of course, NBA teams play 2 for 1 at the end of each quarter. But even lousy NBA teams have playmakers who can get up a shot one-on-one. That's not always the case in college.
But I agree, dribbling the ball out front until the shot clock runs down kind of defeats the purpose of running the offense to get the best shot. Nebraska forced itself into a one on one play last night despite not having that great of playmakers. Colorado wasn't any better a week earlier.
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thought of a good one: wisconsin. nothing till bennett and ryan.
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yeah, i don't know how you'd evaluate the right way. i don't even know how you'd define the right way.
Near as I can tell, only UNC and Duke still do it "the right way". For UNC, that may be why they fade under Roy :dunno:. For Duke, that may be why they get to the sweet 16 but no further (super-SLTHs are still SLTHs).
"Doin' it the right way" seems to be a euphemism for people that lose with dignity. Mediocrity with integrity and all that.
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The Cap Journal guys get their SLTH on at the end of the 2/11 podcast. http://cjonline.com/radio/podcast
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The Cap Journal guys get their SLTH on at the end of the 2/11 podcast. http://cjonline.com/radio/podcast
meek and corcoran are really doing a great job with these podcasts.
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Now on iTunes!
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The Cap Journal guys get their SLTH on at the end of the 2/11 podcast. http://cjonline.com/radio/podcast
meek and corcoran are really doing a great job with these podcasts.
I enjoy them
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this last one was their best. i didn't really like the one with "earl" or whatever they called the old, awkward sounding guy.
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The Cap Journal guys get their SLTH on at the end of the 2/11 podcast. http://cjonline.com/radio/podcast
The Doc/Barnes bit at the end was priceless. Great stuff.
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Bz whipped out a SLTH classic during the B12 round up by explaining that against KSU he will "try to put ourselves in a position where we have a chance to win the game."
This as opposed to getting blown out on a frequent basis which most SLTH resumes cannot handle too much of.
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I didn't realize Gillispie could be so SLTHy.
Head Coach Billy Gillispie
Opening Statement…
“Hard fought game for us, we played extremely hard, as hard as we could possibly play against a very physical team. We just had too many turnovers. I thought we had a great chance to win the game, it was just a matter of what the situation was. We just kept turning the ball over. I am real proud of our guys as far as their effort goes. Their toughness is about as tough as we have played all year long.”
On the five final turnovers…
“We were stopping them several times in a row, whether they were missing or we were forcing them to miss, we were getting some defensive rebounds at that particular time. We step out of bounds twice in the game and once during that stretch, we did not get a great shot at the basket. I knew it was four, but I guess it was five straight times, and you just cannot do that if you are going to win anywhere, but especially on the road against a good team.”
On matching the physicality…
“Best way to beat a pressure defense is by penetration, and we definitely were not able to get around the guards. (Kevin) Wagner was able to get around them the first time we played K-State and he is down with an injury, so that definitely hurt us, but we still should not turn the ball like we did. We have to do a better job of screening for each other and passing the ball. We had some opportunities for some high-lows, we threw the ball out of bounds and when we did get opportunities we did not finish close to the basket. That was the downfall. If you finish the plays close to the basket, whether it is on a drive or it is on a pass, that usually relieves the pressure a little bit. Their guys are more athletic than us, so they can over play us on the wing but also beat us on the back door or really press them on the perimeter. If we tried to beat them on a ball screen, or just a straight drive, they were able to recover. We just have to be a little bit faster. It hurt us not having those guys out there.”
On the first half…
“They missed some shots obviously. I thought our guys were in the right spot for the most time, we did not give up our spot close to the basket like we did when we played at home. They got two or three baskets off of our triangle-and-two, because we gave up our spot close to the basket. Tonight, we did not do that. We have one guy guarding two and he was doing a good job. They made a smart substitution and put in two guards, and that is when we got out of it. They only had six field goals in the first half and we had some opportunities, when you had 13 turnovers and they only had six, that is why you are going to be down. If we had been playing efficiently we might have had a lead at halftime, they were not shooting any better than they were.”
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Gillespie and Tech makes me wonder how Frank would handle inheriting a steaming pile of crap like thy have in Lubbock. I wonder if his demeanor would be different coaching a team like that. I mean, every game is pretty much just more practice for TT right now.
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I think if Frank inherited a team that he did not recruit ( I know BCG recruited most) it would be a disaster.
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I think if Frank inherited a team that he did not recruit ( I know BCG recruited most) it would be a disaster.
Yeah, I'm not sure he would do well in that situation.
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frank would do well taking over Marquette or WVA. Other than that? A Trainwreck.
btw, is Marquette a step up from KSU? Even? With the Big East reshaping, I was just wondering how a job like that is viewed. Also, I want prospects lined up when UCONN makes their run after Backy McBacky can't walk anymore.
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frank would do well taking over Marquette or WVA. Other than that? A Trainwreck.
btw, is Marquette a step up from KSU? Even? With the Big East reshaping, I was just wondering how a job like that is viewed. Also, I want prospects lined up when UCONN makes their run after Backy McBacky can't walk anymore.
Marquette doesn't have the money nor facilities that Kansas State has. UCONN scares me, although they may opt for the "nice guy" Scott Drew perhaps?
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frank would do well taking over Marquette or WVA. Other than that? A Trainwreck.
btw, is Marquette a step up from KSU? Even? With the Big East reshaping, I was just wondering how a job like that is viewed. Also, I want prospects lined up when UCONN makes their run after Backy McBacky can't walk anymore.
Marquette doesn't have the money nor facilities that Kansas State has. UCONN scares me, although they may opt for the "nice guy" Scott Drew perhaps?
I thought if Frank leaves, we might have a shot at Buzz....but he makes $2mil (reportedly), though OU made a run at him last year I believe. And maybe this is naïve/tuckish but is the uconn job looked at as a good job (or rather in the same way) after the big east becomes the hot mess it will become? I suppose in basketball, it doesn’t matter as much, but no pitt, no Syracuse, no wva. It’s just Uconn and Georgetown…and Boise. I duuno.
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zack's reaction will be hilarious if/when Frank leaves. And I think Marquette is equal to KSU, at worst. I would say Marquette is better, but not by much.
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UCONN will absolutely go after a nice guy after all of Calhoun's violations.
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frank would do well taking over Marquette or WVA. Other than that? A Trainwreck.
btw, is Marquette a step up from KSU? Even? With the Big East reshaping, I was just wondering how a job like that is viewed. Also, I want prospects lined up when UCONN makes their run after Backy McBacky can't walk anymore.
Marquette doesn't have the money nor facilities that Kansas State has. UCONN scares me, although they may opt for the "nice guy" Scott Drew perhaps?
I thought if Frank leaves, we might have a shot at Buzz....but he makes $2mil (reportedly), though OU made a run at him last year I believe. And maybe this is naïve/tuckish but is the uconn job looked at as a good job (or rather in the same way) after the big east becomes the hot mess it will become? I suppose in basketball, it doesn’t matter as much, but no pitt, no Syracuse, no wva. It’s just Uconn and Georgetown…and Boise. I duuno.
The Big East will eventually still be good in basketball without the schools they're losing. They will certainly be better than the Pac 10 is currently. They added Memphis, won't be shocked if they go after Temple and a few other good A-10 programs. They need to figure out a way to pare out the schools with a football focus and schools with a basketball focus. If they want to be a basketball conference there are plenty of good programs they could take from other conferences.
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zack's reaction will be hilarious if/when Frank leaves. And I think Marquette is equal to KSU, at worst. I would say Marquette is better, but not by much.
I think my reaction won’t be any different than most. I’ll initially blame/be mad at currie, then when I’m done with that I’ll blame/be mad at frank, then when currie hires S. Carolina’s coach I’ll go back to blaming/being mad at currie coupled with a deep resentment of Frank for leaving. It’s SOP.
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zack's reaction will be hilarious if/when Frank leaves. And I think Marquette is equal to KSU, at worst. I would say Marquette is better, but not by much.
Damn I just checked the MBB revenues for Marquette and KSU. For the latest reporting year Marquette reported $15.5 million in revenue, KSU only reported $7.5 million. I know Marquette is private and the way schools report these things vary, but that is quite a difference. We should ditch football and go D1-AAA.
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And I think Marquette is equal to KSU, at worst. I would say Marquette is better, but not by much.
Would agree with this. They've had a couple more tournament appearances and did win a National Title in the 70's. Went to a Final Four in the last decade with D Wade.
They have been a mid-major for most of their existence, only joining the Big East in 2005.
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Umm, Frank isn't going anywhere any time soon. Has to make another tore-na-ment run before he starts getting any good offers.
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zack's reaction will be hilarious if/when Frank leaves. And I think Marquette is equal to KSU, at worst. I would say Marquette is better, but not by much.
Damn I just checked the MBB revenues for Marquette and KSU. For the latest reporting year Marquette reported $15.5 million in revenue, KSU only reported $7.5 million. I know Marquette is private and the way schools report these things vary, but that is quite a difference. We should ditch football and go D1-AAA.
It would seem to me the basketball only schools will get destroyed in the facilities/salary arms race with the way the tv contracts are escalating for the FB schools but the numbers you found seem to dispute it. I guess the large market location of most of these schools enables them to make up what a school like Kstate gets from football.
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Damn I just checked the MBB revenues for Marquette and KSU. For the latest reporting year Marquette reported $15.5 million in revenue, KSU only reported $7.5 million. I know Marquette is private and the way schools report these things vary, but that is quite a difference. We should ditch football and go D1-AAA.
yeah, marq is big time bball. buzz makes big money too, and has a huge buyout on top of that.