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What does the possibility of CU leaving do to the Big 12?
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/02/09/pac-10-to-undergo-a-ute-movement/
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Big 9? (Minus ku and mu also) :dunno:
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hmm. Would hate it if Utah joined the PAC 10 but would only be mildly bummed if CU did. CU would be more at home academically with the likes of USC, UCLA, UWash, etc. They definitely belong with the elite.
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The Big 12 adds TCU, and Oklahoma goes to the Big 12 North.
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The article states that if CU were to leave, BYU would be the likely candidate to fill their slot in the Big 12. That seems odd to me considering the distance. Colorado State would seem a more logical choice in some ways, but is CSU really too small to carry their own weight in the Big 12? (TV sets, enrollment, revenue contribution, sports competitiveness, etc.)
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The article states that if CU were to leave, BYU would be the likely candidate to fill their slot in the Big 12. That seems odd to me considering the distance. Colorado State would seem a more logical choice in some ways, but is CSU really too small to carry their own weight in the Big 12? (TV sets, enrollment, revenue contribution, sports competitiveness, etc.)
BYU will never join the Big 12.
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these are the dumbest conversations.
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there isn't a single south team that'd join the north anyone who says so is dumb beyond belief there will never be a split of TX OU in football then there are rivalries w/ the other schools people wouldn't want to break up. if a North team leaves ie CU to Pac10 MU to Big 10 we'll add a team and they will be in the north division no matter where there geographic location is :rolleyes:
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People realize these stupid rumors are like really old, right?
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Does anyone think it would be a good idea for us to join the Mountain West? We could kind of beat everyone to the punch here, you know?
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Does anyone think it would be a good idea for us to join the Mountain West? We could kind of beat everyone to the punch here, you know?
MEH!
Conf-USA. Instant rivalry with Tulsa. Win/Win.
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So the Pac-10 would have 12 schools who could not earn an at-large tourney bid instead of 10? Good call.
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I actually think we should go back to a Big 8. Not 'the' Big 8 but the way it should be now. Would require a complicated shift but in the end, CU could be with the rest of the west coast academic/cultural elite, ISU could get back to old rivalries in the MVC, KU to the Southland Conf., Missouri with the new Big 14, etc. Everybody would be where they fit in. :flush:
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uk could join the ivy imaginary league
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The Big 12 adds TCU, and Oklahoma goes to the Big 12 North.
Kinda doubt they would break up the red river shootout thingy they got going since they've been playing every year for like a century and all.
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Yeah plus TCU bball probably couldn't even beat any of the Nortards so I doubt the Big 12 would really spring on that. Great baseball tho
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these are the dumbest conversations.
Have no fear MI'Cat. Luckily for goEMAW.com, it's a new bbs and it should be at least another couple of months before it runs out of posts. I think these things come standard with like 200,000 before you have to refill them.
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Does anyone think it would be a good idea for us to join the Mountain West? We could kind of beat everyone to the punch here, you know?
MEH!
Conf-USA. Instant rivalry with Tulsa. Win/Win.
Especially the part where we lose to Tulsa every year. :crossfingers:
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Add TCU, move TT to the North.
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MU to Big 10 . . . is about 30 to 35 years old.
CU to Pac 10 is about 15-20 years old.
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MU to Big 10 . . . is about 30 to 35 years old.
CU to Pac 10 is about 15-20 years old.
How old is Texas to Pac 10? At least 10 probably.
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Texas to Pac-10, Big 10 and SEC is about 10 years old.
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The Big 12 adds TCU, and Oklahoma goes to the Big 12 North.
Why add Oklahoma when Oklahoma State is the northern-most South school? :dunno: If we're going to do away with geographical logic, then it's time for a massive overhaul of alignment.
The article states that if CU were to leave, BYU would be the likely candidate to fill their slot in the Big 12. That seems odd to me considering the distance. Colorado State would seem a more logical choice in some ways, but is CSU really too small to carry their own weight in the Big 12? (TV sets, enrollment, revenue contribution, sports competitiveness, etc.)
Colorado State does not have the facilities, resources, or financial backing to join the Big 12. They're struggling just to keep up with the schools in the Mountain West.
Colorado and Missouri appear to be the two most likely candidates to leave, which is probably why they're always the ones discussed whenever this topic rolls around again. They each have a "natural" geographical fit with another major conference.
TCU would be an obvious candidate to join the Big 12. People like to throw Arkansas out there, but I don't see any way they leave the SEC. Memphis could be an intriguing option, especially if the conference wanted to move to an East/West alignment. Memphis would be a nice, if not huge, TV market to bring into the conference.
Texas' desire to leave the Big 12 will always be complicated by the other Texas schools. Remember that the only way the Big 12 was allowed by Texas politicos was by including Baylor. aTm, Tech, and Baylor have enough clout to probably ensure that Texas doesn't leave them screwed with the remaining Big 12 schools.
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The Big 12 adds TCU, and Oklahoma goes to the Big 12 North.
Why add Oklahoma when Oklahoma State is the northern-most South school? :dunno: If we're going to do away with geographical logic, then it's time for a massive overhaul of alignment.
The article states that if CU were to leave, BYU would be the likely candidate to fill their slot in the Big 12. That seems odd to me considering the distance. Colorado State would seem a more logical choice in some ways, but is CSU really too small to carry their own weight in the Big 12? (TV sets, enrollment, revenue contribution, sports competitiveness, etc.)
Colorado State does not have the facilities, resources, or financial backing to join the Big 12. They're struggling just to keep up with the schools in the Mountain West.
Colorado and Missouri appear to be the two most likely candidates to leave, which is probably why they're always the ones discussed whenever this topic rolls around again. They each have a "natural" geographical fit with another major conference.
TCU would be an obvious candidate to join the Big 12. People like to throw Arkansas out there, but I don't see any way they leave the SEC. Memphis could be an intriguing option, especially if the conference wanted to move to an East/West alignment. Memphis would be a nice, if not huge, TV market to bring into the conference.
Texas' desire to leave the Big 12 will always be complicated by the other Texas schools. Remember that the only way the Big 12 was allowed by Texas politicos was by including Baylor. aTm, Tech, and Baylor have enough clout to probably ensure that Texas doesn't leave them screwed with the remaining Big 12 schools.
Also, somewhat unclear why UT would want to relinquish the amount of control/influence/dominance they have over Big 12 to move to Pac-10/SEC.
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TCU would be an obvious candidate to join the Big 12. People like to throw Arkansas out there, but I don't see any way they leave the SEC. Memphis could be an intriguing option, especially if the conference wanted to move to an East/West alignment. Memphis would be a nice, if not huge, TV market to bring into the conference.
if the big 12 ever needs more schools, memphis and louisville make sense. tcu brings nothing to the big 12. the big 12 brings nothing to arkansas. expanding west makes no sense.
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KK nails it on Texas . . . they won't have anywhere close to the control outside of the Big 12.
Arkansas isn't leaving the SEC.
Missouri clamors for the Big 10, because everytime they look in the mirror they say underachievement, and they want a new mirror.
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TCU would be an obvious candidate to join the Big 12. People like to throw Arkansas out there, but I don't see any way they leave the SEC. Memphis could be an intriguing option, especially if the conference wanted to move to an East/West alignment. Memphis would be a nice, if not huge, TV market to bring into the conference.
if the big 12 ever needs more schools, memphis and louisville make sense. tcu brings nothing to the big 12. the big 12 brings nothing to arkansas. expanding west makes no sense.
I would love for Louisville and Memphis too. However, Memphis would bring nothing in FB. Money wise, that is a big deal.
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TCU would be an obvious candidate to join the Big 12. People like to throw Arkansas out there, but I don't see any way they leave the SEC. Memphis could be an intriguing option, especially if the conference wanted to move to an East/West alignment. Memphis would be a nice, if not huge, TV market to bring into the conference.
if the big 12 ever needs more schools, memphis and louisville make sense. tcu brings nothing to the big 12. the big 12 brings nothing to arkansas. expanding west makes no sense.
I would love for Louisville and Memphis too. However, Memphis would bring nothing in FB. Money wise, that is a big deal.
They bring a new TV market. Much bigger deal than adding a decent team in a market the Big 12 already dominates.
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Memphis is going to the Big East once Pitt goes to the Big 10. Seriously, TCU is a no-brainer to the Big 12 if Colorado leaves. Oklahoma moves to the North and competes with Texas in the Big 12 title instead of battling it out in the Big 12 South. You can take it to the bank.
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Memphis is going to the Big East once Pitt goes to the Big 10. Seriously, TCU is a no-brainer to the Big 12 if Colorado leaves. Oklahoma moves to the North and competes with Texas in the Big 12 title instead of battling it out in the Big 12 South. You can take it to the bank.
sys is much smarter than you. You should listen to him.
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Memphis is going to the Big East once Pitt goes to the Big 10. Seriously, TCU is a no-brainer to the Big 12 if Colorado leaves. Oklahoma moves to the North and competes with Texas in the Big 12 title instead of battling it out in the Big 12 South. You can take it to the bank.
sys is much smarter than you. You should listen to him.
Louisville and Memphis make absolutely no sense, especially geographically. Nice to know you cling to sys' nutsack like an in-grown nut hair, though.
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Memphis is going to the Big East once Pitt goes to the Big 10. Seriously, TCU is a no-brainer to the Big 12 if Colorado leaves. Oklahoma moves to the North and competes with Texas in the Big 12 title instead of battling it out in the Big 12 South. You can take it to the bank.
there is no rough ridin' way in the mother rough ridin' world that OU would move to the north and ever risk not having the Red River Rivalry or w/e the eff they call it people who say this are beyond dumb to the point of pure stupidity, you'd have to try to say dumber things. if any schools leave the new school would be a north team if the geography agrees or not. any one who thinks OU will move to the north should jump off a bridge NOW because the world would be a lot less dumb w/o you :driving:
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Memphis is going to the Big East once Pitt goes to the Big 10. Seriously, TCU is a no-brainer to the Big 12 if Colorado leaves. Oklahoma moves to the North and competes with Texas in the Big 12 title instead of battling it out in the Big 12 South. You can take it to the bank.
there is no fracking way in the mother fracking world that OU would move to the north and ever risk not having the Red River Rivalry or w/e the shazbot! they call it people who say this are beyond dumb to the point of pure stupidity, you'd have to try to say dumber things. if any schools leave the new school would be a north team if the geography agrees or not. any one who thinks OU will move to the north should jump off a bridge NOW because the world would be a lot less dumb w/o you :driving:
It's been talked about quite a bit, actually. You really think Oklahoma and Texas like battling with each other every season just for a spot in the Big 12 title against some sh*tty North opponent?
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Memphis is going to the Big East once Pitt goes to the Big 10. Seriously, TCU is a no-brainer to the Big 12 if Colorado leaves. Oklahoma moves to the North and competes with Texas in the Big 12 title instead of battling it out in the Big 12 South. You can take it to the bank.
there is no fracking way in the mother fracking world that OU would move to the north and ever risk not having the Red River Rivalry or w/e the shazbot! they call it people who say this are beyond dumb to the point of pure stupidity, you'd have to try to say dumber things. if any schools leave the new school would be a north team if the geography agrees or not. any one who thinks OU will move to the north should jump off a bridge NOW because the world would be a lot less dumb w/o you :driving:
It's been talked about quite a bit, actually. You really think Oklahoma and Texas like battling with each other every season just for a spot in the Big 12 title against some sh*tty North opponent?
won't ever happen the RRR will never be broken up it will always be played in Dallas and it will always be during the Texas State Fair. Anyone who truly honestly thinks different has an IQ lower than the either of MorrisTwins
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If the Big 12 adds TCU, one of the Oklahoma schools will move to the North. This isn't the first time it's been discussed.
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Memphis is going to the Big East once Pitt goes to the Big 10. Seriously, TCU is a no-brainer to the Big 12 if Colorado leaves. Oklahoma moves to the North and competes with Texas in the Big 12 title instead of battling it out in the Big 12 South. You can take it to the bank.
there is no fracking way in the mother fracking world that OU would move to the north and ever risk not having the Red River Rivalry or w/e the shazbot! they call it people who say this are beyond dumb to the point of pure stupidity, you'd have to try to say dumber things. if any schools leave the new school would be a north team if the geography agrees or not. any one who thinks OU will move to the north should jump off a bridge NOW because the world would be a lot less dumb w/o you :driving:
It's been talked about quite a bit, actually. You really think Oklahoma and Texas like battling with each other every season just for a spot in the Big 12 title against some sh*tty North opponent?
Yes, I think they like playing each other every year very much. Can you imagine the meltdown from the boosters of both schools if they stopped the rivalry? You may personally prefer to run away from challenges (deleting your account/ disappearing for months at a time) but not everyone is a giant pussy like you.
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dear idiots, the RRR was played for how many years when both schools were in separate conferences? or did that rivalry game just start 14 years ago
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dear idiots, the RRR was played for how many years when both schools were in separate conferences? or did that rivalry game just start 14 years ago
They still played each other every year. If they move to separate divisions, they would only play each other 2/4 years. Idiot.
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Memphis is going to the Big East once Pitt goes to the Big 10. Seriously, TCU is a no-brainer to the Big 12 if Colorado leaves. Oklahoma moves to the North and competes with Texas in the Big 12 title instead of battling it out in the Big 12 South. You can take it to the bank.
sys is much smarter than you. You should listen to him.
Louisville and Memphis make absolutely no sense, especially geographically. Nice to know you cling to sys' nutsack like an in-grown nut hair, though.
Not an evaluation of sys's intelligence so much as yours.
TCU has an enrollment of less than 9000. They have a basketball team that is 11-13 in the MWC that plays in an arena that seats just over 7000.
Their football team is good, but they would not improve the conference's leverage in TV negotiations in the slightest. They can't even come close to selling out the stadium they have, so no new revenue there.
In other words sys was right on. TCU brings nothing to the table for the Big 12. They would make for a terrible addition.
Looking east makes sense, as population density is much higher in that direction. Increases leverage for TV contracts, puts Big 12 schools in front of new recruiting areas.
As for how much geographic sense it makes, WGAF?
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If the Big 12 adds TCU, one of the Oklahoma schools will move to the North. This isn't the first time it's been discussed.
So, either the Red River game gets axed for 2 out of every 4 years, or Bedlam does. Not gonna happen.
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dear idiots, the RRR was played for how many years when both schools were in separate conferences? or did that rivalry game just start 14 years ago
They still played each other every year. If they move to separate divisions, they would only play each other 2/4 years. Idiot.
thought we're talking about moving Texas to another conference not another division.
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If the Big 12 adds TCU, one of the Oklahoma schools will move to the North. This isn't the first time it's been discussed.
So, either the Red River game gets axed for 2 out of every 4 years, or Bedlam does. Not gonna happen.
The Oklahoma/Nebraska game used to be a huge rivalry that was played every season in the Big Eight conference. Things change.
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dear idiots, the RRR was played for how many years when both schools were in separate conferences? or did that rivalry game just start 14 years ago
They still played each other every year. If they move to separate divisions, they would only play each other 2/4 years. Idiot.
thought we're talking about moving Texas to another conference not another division.
no, BMW and other <6 IQ folks think OU or OSU would get moved to the Big XII North if CU or MU leave and we add TCU (also will never happen)
If the Big 12 adds TCU, one of the Oklahoma schools will move to the North. This isn't the first time it's been discussed.
So, either the Red River game gets axed for 2 out of every 4 years, or Bedlam does. Not gonna happen.
fact, who ever joins will be a Big XII North member 'nuff said :curse:
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dear idiots, the RRR was played for how many years when both schools were in separate conferences? or did that rivalry game just start 14 years ago
They still played each other every year. If they move to separate divisions, they would only play each other 2/4 years. Idiot.
thought we're talking about moving Texas to another conference not another division.
Nah, talking about OU moving to the north.
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There's a much higher probability of TCU joining the Big 12 than someone like Louisville. Again, just my opinion. Would be great if we could have discussions on here without making personal attacks.
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If the Big 12 adds TCU, one of the Oklahoma schools will move to the North. This isn't the first time it's been discussed.
So, either the Red River game gets axed for 2 out of every 4 years, or Bedlam does. Not gonna happen.
The Oklahoma/Nebraska game used to be a huge rivalry that was played every season in the Big Eight conference. Things change.
OUvN<OU v OSU<OU v UT
:nono:
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If the Big 12 adds TCU, one of the Oklahoma schools will move to the North. This isn't the first time it's been discussed.
So, either the Red River game gets axed for 2 out of every 4 years, or Bedlam does. Not gonna happen.
The Oklahoma/Nebraska game used to be a huge rivalry that was played every season in the Big Eight conference. Things change.
Was it the 3rd biggest rivalry in history? No. Is the Red River? Yes. Are you dumb? Yes.
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There's a much higher probability of TCU joining the Big 12 than someone like Louisville. Again, just my opinion. Would be great if we could have discussions on here without making personal attacks.
Would be great if you ever actually predicted one single thing correctly, but we just humor you anyway.
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There's a much higher probability of TCU joining the Big 12 than someone like Louisville. Again, just my opinion. Would be great if we could have discussions on here without making personal attacks.
Would be great if you ever actually predicted one single thing correctly, but we just humor you anyway.
Good grief, dude. What are you so angry about?
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There's a much higher probability of TCU joining the Big 12 than someone like Louisville. Again, just my opinion. Would be great if we could have discussions on here without making personal attacks.
Ingrown nut hair is a term of endearment then?
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Would be great if we could have discussions on here without making personal attacks.
Not really one of our priorities, but feel free to post this in the suggestion board.
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Would be great if we could have discussions on here without making personal attacks.
Not really one of our priorities, but feel free to post this in the suggestion board.
You've got certain posters who basically ruin threads because of their inability to talk sports with a KU fan.
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There's a much higher probability of TCU joining the Big 12 than someone like Louisville. Again, just my opinion. Would be great if we could have discussions on here without making personal attacks.
Would be great if you ever actually predicted one single thing correctly, but we just humor you anyway.
Good grief, dude. What are you so angry about?
Who's angry? A man doesn't have to be angry to make fun of another man. It's actually kinda fun
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Would be great if we could have discussions on here without making personal attacks.
Not really one of our priorities, but feel free to post this in the suggestion board.
i honestly don't see how it would be "great" at all.
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already have Baylor. don't need more religious nuts in TCU.
l'ville and 'mphis would be awesome
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Would be great if we could have discussions on here without making personal attacks.
Not really one of our priorities, but feel free to post this in the suggestion board.
You've got certain posters who basically ruin threads because of their inability to talk sports with a KU fan.
ignore those doodz
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Would be great if we could have discussions on here without making personal attacks.
Not really one of our priorities, but feel free to post this in the suggestion board.
You've got certain posters who basically ruin threads because of their inability to talk sports with a KU fan.
The worst part about having to start this new site is not having instant access to the archived threads of your meltdowns. Seems like putting a system in place that would address your concern would run counter fixing that problem and having some of our own BMW meltdown threads here. Also, there's plenty of good sports and non-sports talk with ku fans here already (42 dumbstick, et al).
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already have Baylor. don't need more religious nuts in TCU.
l'ville and 'mphis would be awesome
Only know one TCU alum but he's pretty damn cool. Known him for years and I don't believe I've ever heard him mention church. Now, the Baylor alums I know are an entirely different story. I get it, you love God. Geez, enough already.
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Would be great if we could have discussions on here without making personal attacks.
Not really one of our priorities, but feel free to post this in the suggestion board.
You've got certain posters who basically ruin threads because of their inability to talk sports with a KU fan.
The worst part about having to start this new site is not having instant access to the archived threads of your meltdowns. Seems like putting a system in place that would address your concern would run counter fixing that problem and having some of our own BMW meltdown threads here. Also, there's plenty of good sports and non-sports talk with ku fans here already (42 dumbstick, et al).
Hey, I came over here because I was invited by Steve Dave. If you guys are going to be a bunch of douchebags, that's your choice. Have fun with 42yardstick and all those other KU fans you forgot to mention.
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Would be great if we could have discussions on here without making personal attacks.
Not really one of our priorities, but feel free to post this in the suggestion board.
You've got certain posters who basically ruin threads because of their inability to talk sports with a KU fan.
The worst part about having to start this new site is not having instant access to the archived threads of your meltdowns. Seems like putting a system in place that would address your concern would run counter fixing that problem and having some of our own BMW meltdown threads here. Also, there's plenty of good sports and non-sports talk with ku fans here already (42 dumbstick, et al).
Hey, I came over here because I was invited by Steve Dave. If you guys are going to be a bunch of douchebags, that's your choice. Have fun with 42yardstick and all those other KU fans you forgot to mention.
I choose "douchebag". Hey 'stick, it's party time!!! :cheers:
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Hey, I came over here because I was invited by Steve Dave. If you guys are going to be a bunch of douchebags, that's your choice. Have fun with 42yardstick and all those other KU fans you forgot to mention.
That's "Mr. Douchebag" to you burger flipper.
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Would be great if we could have discussions on here without making personal attacks.
Not really one of our priorities, but feel free to post this in the suggestion board.
You've got certain posters who basically ruin threads because of their inability to talk sports with a KU fan.
The worst part about having to start this new site is not having instant access to the archived threads of your meltdowns. Seems like putting a system in place that would address your concern would run counter fixing that problem and having some of our own BMW meltdown threads here. Also, there's plenty of good sports and non-sports talk with ku fans here already (42 dumbstick, et al).
Hey, I came over here because I was invited by Steve Dave. If you guys are going to be a bunch of douchebags, that's your choice. Have fun with 42yardstick and all those other KU fans you forgot to mention.
Is this where you get your mom to call our moms?
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I love it when Dax steps in to calm the waters.
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I love it when Dax steps in to calm the waters.
:nono: I thought we had something (t)brewing here.
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I'll step in here and let you girls cool down a little.
I believe that both OU and Texas get additional Stipends on the RRR game because it is sponsored by Doctor Pepper.
In fact, I believe an extremely lucrative deal was put together for that game to keep it from going back to the campuses as the schools threatend to do about 4 or 5 years ago.
Not sponsored by Dr. P, it's sponsored by SBC/AT&T.
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Yeah, yeah, Dr. Pepper, ATT/SBC whatever.
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i think the pac-10 should just take Utah and BYU, Big 10(+1) take Memphis or someone else keep hands outta the Big XII pockets :runaway:
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Would Colorado State be a possible addition to the Big 12? :dunno:
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Dammit beems just roll with it :facepalm:
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Would Colorado State be a possible addition to the Big 12? :dunno:
Check the first page of this thread, friend. Short answer: no.
If the Red River Rivalry is so precious to OU and Texas, perhaps they could play it as a non-conference game on the off years. I don't know if there's any rule against this in the Big 12 or NCAA.
Still think Oklahoma State would be the more logical choice to move to the North, though. Really think OU would be against it, since so many of their players come from Texas. (Not that OSU's don't, but OU probably more likely to get its way, + the geographic factor).
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if both CU and Mizzou leave i say we make a run at both Utah and BYU, if only Colorado then i say maybe Tulsa :confused: or possibly Memphis. If Mizzou leaves i say we go hard at BYU jmo
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Would Colorado State be a possible addition to the Big 12? :dunno:
Check the first page of this thread, friend. Short answer: no.
If the Red River Rivalry is so precious to OU and Texas, perhaps they could play it as a non-conference game on the off years. I don't know if there's any rule against this in the Big 12 or NCAA.
Still think Oklahoma State would be the more logical choice to move to the North, though. Really think OU would be against it, since so many of their players come from Texas. (Not that OSU's don't, but OU probably more likely to get its way, + the geographic factor).
Dude, play a conference team in a non-conference game? Are you rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)?
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The obvious solution would be realignment. Scrap the "north" and "south" idea, and create 2 new divisions.
But it doesn't matter, because no schools are leaving anytime soon. IF the Big 10 adds a team, then there might be changes made all across the country, but not until then.
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TT to the north makes sense to me, they aren't close to anyone (neither is CU) and they are probably just as far north (give or take) as either OK school. They have no big rivalry (maybe aTm)?
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TT to the north makes sense to me, they aren't close to anyone (neither is CU) and they are probably just as far north (give or take) as either OK school. They have no big rivalry (maybe aTm)?
Not a bad idea. I didn't realize how far north Lubbock is. Wouldn't be any farther of a trip for KSU than the trip to Boulder. Would kinda suck for ISU and Nubb, though.
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TT to the north makes sense to me, they aren't close to anyone (neither is CU) and they are probably just as far north (give or take) as either OK school. They have no big rivalry (maybe aTm)?
Not a bad idea. I didn't realize how far north Lubbock is. Wouldn't be any farther of a trip for KSU than the trip to Boulder. Would kinda suck for ISU and Nubb, though.
Meh, they fly...