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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: pissclams on February 09, 2010, 01:05:20 PM
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At this point in the season, I would have to say that no coach deserves it more than Turdgeon. What say you goEMAW.com?
My ballot:
First- Turdgeon - doing the most with the least
Second- Martin - doing well
Third - Drew - doing the second most the the second least
Fourth- Ford - doing pretty well but not better than Turdartinew
Fifth- Self - doing what was expected, hard to lose when you cheat/recruit the way his staff does, league officials working hard to secure the B12 a #1 seed
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Turgeon is having a great year, especially considering that Roland got hurt, but in my completely biased opinion I really don't see how it doesn't go to Frank
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The Rug
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probably will be turg if he keeps winning, getting a top 4 big 12 seed
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Its Frank, by a lot. When you consider projections before the season had us outta the top few teams of the league (I believe KU,TX,MZ and OK all were picked ahead of us) to where we sit now, how can you make a case otherwise? Frank is the #1 coach in the league and I'd argue nationally also.
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Its Frank, by a lot. When you consider projections before the season had us outta the top few teams of the league (I believe KU,TX,MZ and OK all were picked ahead of us) to where we sit now, how can you make a case otherwise? Frank is the #1 coach in the league and I'd argue nationally also.
thank god you don't have a vote. also, i might have to poster intimidate you because your argument is wack.
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Turgeon is having a great year, especially considering that Roland got hurt, but in my completely biased opinion I really don't see how it doesn't go to Frank
I think Frank will get it because of the attention he has already received. Frank has become somewhat a bit of a buzz word of a coach in the national media lately. I think that carries him to the top vote.
No way The Rug deserves it. He has that team operating at about 75% of what their output could be.
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Don't intimidate me and my posts, please clams, I'm so weak and feeble. These posts have no backing and aren't well thought out. Gimme a break. Whether or not pissclams likes what I post or not, I give no sh!ts. Get ready to start paying more attention to the few posts I put up here, okay clams? Find me.
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Self deserves it at this point. He has destroyed the conference.
How Turgeon has convinced everyone he has sh*tty talent, I have no idea.
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Self deserves it at this point. He has destroyed the conference.
How Turgeon has convinced everyone he has sh*tty talent, I have no idea.
Yeah, Frank might have a shot if we finish 12-4 and alone in 2nd.
And Turg is a master if everyone believes he is working with no talent. Roland was a significant loss, but he's got plenty of players to work with.
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1. Anderson
2. Turgeon
3. Drew
4. Martin
5. Self
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Self deserves it at this point. He has destroyed the conference.
How Turgeon has convinced everyone he has sh*tty talent, I have no idea.
Yeah, Frank might have a shot if we finish 12-4 and alone in 2nd.
And Turg is a master if everyone believes he is working with no talent. Roland was a significant loss, but he's got plenty of players to work with.
If we're 12-4 and alone in 2nd, KU probably wins the Big 12 by 3 games. KU is just so much better than everyone else.
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Bill Self is the best coach in the Big 12, and it's really not even close. If Self wins a 2nd national title this year, he'll start being recognized as the best overall coach in the country.
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Bill Self is the best coach in the Big 12, and it's really not even close. If Self wins a 2nd national title this year, he'll start being recognized as the best overall coach in the country.
You really believe he has any shot at winning a national title this year?
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SLTH of the year? I'm leaning towards Doc just because of that amazing "we get everyone's best shot because they know they should beat us" speech.
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Bill Self is the best coach in the Big 12
duh. he can't win COY every year though.
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Bill Self is the best coach in the Big 12, and it's really not even close. If Self wins a 2nd national title this year, he'll start being recognized as the best overall coach in the country.
I guess it depends on how your define coach of the year. If it's whose team who win the conference then its a no brainer.
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Bill Self is the best coach in the Big 12, and it's really not even close. If Self wins a 2nd national title this year, he'll start being recognized as the best overall coach in the country.
You really believe he has any shot at winning a national title this year?
:confused:
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If we're 12-4 and alone in 2nd, KU probably wins the Big 12 by 3 games. KU is just so much better than everyone else.
No doubt, Self will likely win it if KU goes undefeated in the league. But if Kansas would stubble in one game, finishing first when they were the unanimous pres-season pick compared to taking the team that was picked fourth and getting 2nd may garner enough votes for Frank to win it.
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baylor was picked to finish way down in the pack.
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1. Kansas (11)* 121
2. Texas (1) 111
3. Oklahoma 95
4. Kansas State 92
5. Texas A&M 74
6. Oklahoma State 69
7. Missouri 66
8. Iowa State 57
9. Texas Tech 34
10. Baylor 33
11. Nebraska 27
12. Colorado 13
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Self deserves it at this point. He has destroyed the conference.
How Turgeon has convinced everyone he has sh*tty talent, I have no idea.
agree on both counts. if ku wins what is considered the most difficult league in big 12 history (which is debatable) and does so undefeated or with just one loss, he should prolly get it. almost could have the same turg take but with drew.
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Bill Self is the best coach in the Big 12, and it's really not even close. If Self wins a 2nd national title this year, he'll start being recognized as the best overall coach in the country.
You really believe he has any shot at winning a national title this year?
:confused:
So no, you don't believe it? :confused:
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Self deserves it at this point. He has destroyed the conference.
How Turgeon has convinced everyone he has sh*tty talent, I have no idea.
you know where i got this stupid thread and it's dumb construct, don't be a dumbass.
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And I would agree that Self should win the COY, again. Martin 2nd place unless he can manage to beat Self in AFH, then he should prob get the award.
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I think Martin should win COY if he finishes 2nd in the Big 12 and gets a 2 or 3 seed in the NCAA tournament.
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Self deserves it at this point. He has destroyed the conference.
How Turgeon has convinced everyone he has sh*tty talent, I have no idea.
you know where i got this stupid thread and it's dumb construct, don't be a dumbass.
Hey, not directed at you. It was just a general observo, don't be a dumbass.
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Drew?? :dunno: More with less?? :dunno:
Demond Carter PG **** 5-10 167 - Reserve, LA
Josh Lomers C **** 7-0 250 - Boerne, TX
Djibril Thiam SF **** 6-8 210 - Dakar, Senegal, OU
LaceDarius Dunn SG **** 6-4 190 5.9 Monroe, LA
Fred Ellis SF *** 6-7 190 - Sacramento, CA
Delbert Simpson PF ** 6-7 218 - Tyler, TX
Quincy Acy PF **** 6-7 205 5.8 Mesquite, TX
Anthony Jones SF **** 6-9 185 5.9 Houston, TX
Artem Valov PF 6-9 ***245 - Poplar Bluff, MO
Kendall Wright PG NR 5-11 163 - Pittsburg, TX
Givon Crump SF *** 6-6 210 - Wolfeboro, NH
Nolan Dennis SG ****6-5 185 - North Richland Hills, TX
Cory Jefferson PF **** 6-8 180 - Killeen, TX
Mark McLaughlin SG ****6-5 175 5.8 New Hampton, NH
Dragan Sekelja C NR 7-0 245 - Zagreb, Croatia, OU
A.J. Walton PG *** 6-0 175 - Little Rock, AR
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Call me a homer if you want, but Martin should really be the frontrunner at this point. I'd like to see either him or Drew get it. Self may be a great coach, but he's doing what he was expected to do. To me, COY is about exceeding expectations, and no one has done that more than Frank.
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if self goes undefeated in the deepest big 12 ever how does he not win it?
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if self goes undefeated in the deepest big 12 ever how does he not win it?
He was expected to. What has he done this year that was above and beyond national expectations? I'm in no way bashing Self, just expressing my point of view.
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if self goes undefeated in the deepest big 12 ever how does he not win it?
He was expected to. What has he done this year that was above and beyond national expectations? I'm in no way bashing Self, just expressing my point of view.
So you expected KU to go 40-0 this season and beat every team on the schedule? Nice.
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the difference in the big 12 this year is the garbage teams aren't as garbage as they were 5 years ago. The big 12 is full of teams that would have finished 4/5th ish over the last 5-6 years.
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if self goes undefeated in the deepest big 12 ever how does he not win it?
He was expected to. What has he done this year that was above and beyond national expectations? I'm in no way bashing Self, just expressing my point of view.
So you expected KU to go 40-0 this season and beat every team on the schedule? Nice.
Any coach who goes undefeated in the conference SHOULD win COTY.
If KU loses a game, and if Mizzou finishes 3rd or better, I'd go with Anderson.....it's about how well you did versus what you were predicted to do.
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if self goes undefeated in the deepest big 12 ever how does he not win it?
He was expected to. What has he done this year that was above and beyond national expectations? I'm in no way bashing Self, just expressing my point of view.
So you expected KU to go 40-0 this season and beat every team on the schedule? Nice.
of course not. I'm saying they started off the season at no. 1, so where can you go from there? Martin started the season unranked and we are now top 10.
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if self goes undefeated in the deepest big 12 ever how does he not win it?
He was expected to. What has he done this year that was above and beyond national expectations? I'm in no way bashing Self, just expressing my point of view.
So you expected KU to go 40-0 this season and beat every team on the schedule? Nice.
of course not. I'm saying they started off the season at no. 1, so where can you go from there? Martin started the season unranked and we are now top 10.
this is a great point.
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Really overlooking what Capel has done without Blake.
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if self goes undefeated in the deepest big 12 ever how does he not win it?
He was expected to. What has he done this year that was above and beyond national expectations? I'm in no way bashing Self, just expressing my point of view.
So you expected KU to go 40-0 this season and beat every team on the schedule? Nice.
of course not. I'm saying they started off the season at no. 1, so where can you go from there? Martin started the season unranked and we are now top 10.
this is a great point.
If Self doesn't get it this season, then it will mean that ku has choked down the stretch. We should hope for that, but saying Frank has already filled out his resume and is the heir apparent is wrong. Ku has won every tough game so far and is odds on favorites to take home another NCAA trophy. Self has cajoled McD all-american after McD all-american with piles of illicit money and Mike Coreleone dead whore in a dorm room antics to turn down NBA millions so that they can pay off their debt in the labor camp full of indentured servants known as Jayhawk Towers/AFH.
Wtf has Frank done? Hosted his first College Gameday and Big Monday? BFD.
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if self goes undefeated in the deepest big 12 ever how does he not win it?
He was expected to. What has he done this year that was above and beyond national expectations? I'm in no way bashing Self, just expressing my point of view.
So you expected KU to go 40-0 this season and beat every team on the schedule? Nice.
of course not. I'm saying they started off the season at no. 1, so where can you go from there? Martin started the season unranked and we are now top 10.
this is a great point.
If Self doesn't get it this season, then it will mean that ku has choked down the stretch. We should hope for that, but saying Frank has already filled out his resume and is the heir apparent is wrong. Ku has won every tough game so far and is odds on favorites to take home another NCAA trophy. Self has cajoled McD all-american after McD all-american with piles of illicit money and Mike Coreleone dead whore in a dorm room antics to turn down NBA millions so that they can pay off their debt in the labor camp full of indentured servants known as Jayhawk Towers/AFH.
Wtf has Frank done? Hosted his first College Gameday and Big Monday? BFD.
Nothing can trump the made up school that Self created to get the Morris twins eligible then literally folded the next day.
That is spectacular. Just a masterpiece.
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lol. apex... its embarrassing for ku.
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Self deserves it at this point. He has destroyed the conference.
How Turgeon has convinced everyone he has sh*tty talent, I have no idea.
you know where i got this stupid thread and it's dumb construct, don't be a dumbass.
Hey, not directed at you. It was just a general observo, don't be a dumbass.
Haskin did this agian today in the TCJ. Calliing A&M's players "what-a-burger all-Texans" .
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He was expected to. What has he done this year that was above and beyond national expectations? I'm in no way bashing Self, just expressing my point of view.
"Exceeding expecations" ain't the criteria for COTY. If it were, you'd have to put Bzdilek in the conversation.
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if self goes undefeated in the deepest big 12 ever how does he not win it?
He was expected to. What has he done this year that was above and beyond national expectations? I'm in no way bashing Self, just expressing my point of view.
So you expected KU to go 40-0 this season and beat every team on the schedule? Nice.
of course not. I'm saying they started off the season at no. 1, so where can you go from there? Martin started the season unranked and we are now top 10.
this is a great point.
If Self doesn't get it this season, then it will mean that ku has choked down the stretch. We should hope for that, but saying Frank has already filled out his resume and is the heir apparent is wrong. Ku has won every tough game so far and is odds on favorites to take home another NCAA trophy. Self has cajoled McD all-american after McD all-american with piles of illicit money and Mike Coreleone dead whore in a dorm room antics to turn down NBA millions so that they can pay off their debt in the labor camp full of indentured servants known as Jayhawk Towers/AFH.
Wtf has Frank done? Hosted his first College Gameday and Big Monday? BFD.
Nothing can trump the made up school that Self created to get the Morris twins eligible then literally folded the next day.
That is spectacular. Just a masterpiece.
More detail please.
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He was expected to. What has he done this year that was above and beyond national expectations? I'm in no way bashing Self, just expressing my point of view.
"Exceeding expecations" ain't the criteria for COTY. If it were, you'd have to put Bzdilek in the conversation.
So you're saying that a guy who takes an unranked, young team that was expected to finish 5-6 in the B12 to being top 10 and looking at a 2-3 seed doesn't deserve COY?
Hooookay.
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If we win out frank will get it.
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Really overlooking what Capel has done without Blake.
fo realz? Thought they were underachieving this year..
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lol. apex... its embarrassing for ku.
Yeah... when I watch Marcus Morris put up 18 points and 7 rebounds against Texas, all I can think about is the fact that he went to some sh*tty prep school on the East coast.
:jerk:
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So you're saying that a guy who takes an unranked, young team that was expected to finish 5-6 in the B12 to being top 10 and looking at a 2-3 seed doesn't deserve COY?
Hooookay.
Its all relative.
We were predicted to finish 4th, and we'll likely finish 2nd. That's impressive and good.
But this is one the toughest years ever for the Big 12, and KU has a shot to go undefeated. Even though they were preseason #1 and picked to win the league, by most people going undefeated and winning this league will likely trump what Martin does this year. And if Drew manages to get Baylor to the Top 4 of the league, that may even trump a 2nd place finish by us.
I understand your point, but if we go 12-4 and finish 2nd all by ourselves, its far from a slam dunk for Frank to be COY.
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He was expected to. What has he done this year that was above and beyond national expectations? I'm in no way bashing Self, just expressing my point of view.
"Exceeding expecations" ain't the criteria for COTY. If it were, you'd have to put Bzdilek in the conversation.
So you're saying that a guy who takes an unranked, young team that was expected to finish 5-6 in the B12 to being top 10 and looking at a 2-3 seed doesn't deserve COY?
Hooookay.
we are anything but 'young' and we were exected to finish 3rd or 4th according to the coaches preseason poll
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He was expected to. What has he done this year that was above and beyond national expectations? I'm in no way bashing Self, just expressing my point of view.
"Exceeding expecations" ain't the criteria for COTY. If it were, you'd have to put Bzdilek in the conversation.
So you're saying that a guy who takes an unranked, young team that was expected to finish 5-6 in the B12 to being top 10 and looking at a 2-3 seed doesn't deserve COY?
Hooookay.
we are anything but 'young' and we were exected to finish 3rd or 4th according to the coaches preseason poll
We're fifth in the conference in average class per minute. So we're kind of the teenagers of Big 12 basketball teams.
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So you're saying that a guy who takes an unranked, young team that was expected to finish 5-6 in the B12 to being top 10 and looking at a 2-3 seed doesn't deserve COY?
we are anything but 'young' and we were exected to finish 3rd or 4th according to the coaches preseason poll
We're fifth in the conference in average class per minute. So we're kind of the teenagers of Big 12 basketball teams.
we may have some inexperience in a few spots but we aren't young. we start a 5th year SR, SR, JR, 4th year JR, and a 23 year old JR in Sutton. Samuels is a 2.5 year soph. Then we bring in a bunch of freshman after that.
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He was expected to. What has he done this year that was above and beyond national expectations? I'm in no way bashing Self, just expressing my point of view.
"Exceeding expecations" ain't the criteria for COTY. If it were, you'd have to put Bzdilek in the conversation.
So you're saying that a guy who takes an unranked, young team that was expected to finish 5-6 in the B12 to being top 10 and looking at a 2-3 seed doesn't deserve COY?
Hooookay.
we are anything but 'young' and we were exected to finish 3rd or 4th according to the coaches preseason poll
We're fifth in the conference in average class per minute. So we're kind of the teenagers of Big 12 basketball teams.
KU started three freshman and a sophomore last season on their way to a Big 12 title. You think anyone will actually be impressed if K-State finishes 2nd?
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KU started three freshman and a sophomore last season on their way to a Big 12 title. You think anyone will actually be impressed if K-State finishes 2nd?
yes
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KU started three freshman and a sophomore last season on their way to a Big 12 title. You think anyone will actually be impressed if K-State finishes 2nd?
yes
Why? K-State clearly has the 2nd-best collection of talent in the North. You guys should expect to beat Colorado, Iowa State, and Nebraska twice.
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KU started three freshman and a sophomore last season on their way to a Big 12 title. You think anyone will actually be impressed if K-State finishes 2nd?
yes
Why? K-State clearly has the 2nd-best collection of talent in the North. You guys should expect to beat Colorado, Iowa State, and Nebraska twice.
1st you are talking about finishing 2nd in the conference not the division
2nd lots of people are impressed at not only the collection of talent but turning that talent into winning.
3rd finishing 1st with the most talent doesn't impress anyone ???
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So you're saying that a guy who takes an unranked, young team that was expected to finish 5-6 in the B12 to being top 10 and looking at a 2-3 seed doesn't deserve COY?
we are anything but 'young' and we were exected to finish 3rd or 4th according to the coaches preseason poll
We're fifth in the conference in average class per minute. So we're kind of the teenagers of Big 12 basketball teams.
we may have some inexperience in a few spots but we aren't young. we start a 5th year SR, SR, JR, 4th year JR, and a 23 year old JR in Sutton. Samuels is a 2.5 year soph. Then we bring in a bunch of freshman after that.
Didn't say we were young. Just kind of average.
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Didn't say we were young. Just kind of average.
kl. thought you were defending this
So you're saying that a guy who takes an unranked, young team that was expected to finish 5-6 in the B12 to being top 10 and looking at a 2-3 seed doesn't deserve COY?
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KU started three freshman and a sophomore last season on their way to a Big 12 title. You think anyone will actually be impressed if K-State finishes 2nd?
yes
Why? K-State clearly has the 2nd-best collection of talent in the North. You guys should expect to beat Colorado, Iowa State, and Nebraska twice.
Has beating up on tards at ksufans turned you Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)?
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Has beating up on tards at ksufans turned you Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)?
Douchebag. :nono:
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So you're saying that a guy who takes an unranked, young team that was expected to finish 5-6 in the B12 to being top 10 and looking at a 2-3 seed doesn't deserve COY?
we are anything but 'young' and we were exected to finish 3rd or 4th according to the coaches preseason poll
We're fifth in the conference in average class per minute. So we're kind of the teenagers of Big 12 basketball teams.
we may have some inexperience in a few spots but we aren't young. we start a 5th year SR, SR, JR, 4th year JR, and a 23 year old JR in Sutton. Samuels is a 2.5 year soph. Then we bring in a bunch of freshman after that.
We've gotten some very good minutes out of most of our freshman this year. Had frank not coached em up, that's the difference between where we are now and losing those close games we've played and being an unranked bubble team. Yes we have experience in the starting lineup, but not on our bench and the depth has made us better.
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KU started three freshman and a sophomore last season on their way to a Big 12 title. You think anyone will actually be impressed if K-State finishes 2nd?
yes
Why? K-State clearly has the 2nd-best collection of talent in the North. You guys should expect to beat Colorado, Iowa State, and Nebraska twice.
Hey Ben, on the other board you said KSU was the 3rd or 4th best team in the Big 12. Which teams are better than KSU besides KU?