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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: ChiComCat on October 19, 2010, 06:21:25 PM
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http://www.omaha.com/article/20101018/SPORTS/710189864/0
The idea that Gill, a former Nebraska star, could lose his job at Kansas after one season seems ludicrous.
But it will be discussed — and I mean by KU decision-makers — for two reasons.
First, the topic is on the table after consecutive losses to longtime doormat Baylor 55-7 and at home to rival Kansas State 59-7, the second more egregious because KU had 12 days to practice and K-State was coming off a 35-point loss to Nebraska.
The Jayhawks looked woefully ill-prepared and showed little effort in both games. Plus, Gill's postgame interviews were filled with long pauses and no concrete answers.
Second, Kansas is searching for a new athletic director. As abhorrent as it might seem, it is possible for those in charge to decide Gill's hiring was a mistake, end his term in November and allow the new A.D. to pick his own coach.
That is a bone-chilling scenario, but unfortunately it can't be dismissed.
Gill is getting pummeled nationally for his Victorian Era rules of no cell phones for players the 24 hours before a game and no female companionship after 10 p.m. every day.
Closer to home, Kansas State fans are taunting the Jayhawks by referring to Gill as “Ron Prince Jr.,'' a dig about the inexperienced and ineffective former K-State coach who was fired after three seasons.
Gill repeatedly used the word “faith'' during Monday's teleconference. He'll need all of that he can get to plow through what looks like a 2-10 season.
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Never heard him referred to as rp jr.
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What was Mark Mangino's first year record?
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I only saw a pic of gill with ron prince's face photoshopped over him. :cheers: :combofan:
And to answer your question Limestone, it was 2-10. :facepalm:
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What was Mark Mangino's first year record?
Mangino 1 Golden Corral 0
(too soon?)
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What was Mark Mangino's first year record?
Mangino 1 Golden Corral 0
(too soon?)
how have you posted 73 times on this site. gtfooh
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So if they both finish 2-10 the first year but ku fires one coach after they kept the other coach for 6 years...how do you explain it besides the coach's race?
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What was Mark Mangino's first year record?
Terry Allen's leftovers
vs/
Mangino's post Orange Bowl recruiting class....
This isn't hard.
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What was Mark Mangino's first year record?
Mangino 1 Golden Corral 0
(too soon?)
how have you posted 73 times on this site. gtfooh
:dunno:
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So if they both finish 2-10 the first year but ku fires one coach after they kept the other coach for 6 years...how do you explain it besides the coach's race?
I don't think you can....
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I certainly understand what the pre-loaded excuse for being racist will be but didn't ku lose seven in a row and finish dead last in the north before TG got there? He was inheriting a total disaster.
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What was Mark Mangino's first year record?
Pretty much the same as every year he was there, except for the job-saving year.
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Mangino recruited a bunch of garbage human beings with athletic talent that he could beat into football players. Is it any wonder that Gill can't even get them to try?
Give Turner another 6-8 years and they will have one of the finest and most highly respected programs in the nation.
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Mangino recruited a bunch of garbage human beings with athletic talent that he could beat into football players. Is it any wonder that Gill can't even get them to try?
Give Turner another 6-8 years and they will have one of the finest and most highly respected programs in the nation.
Very true. Let's be honest, if you were a POS and played college ball, who would scare the crap out of you so that you busted ass - a very hungry Jabba the Hut or Radio?
Sam S.
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Mangino recruited a bunch of garbage human beings with athletic talent that he could beat into football players. Is it any wonder that Gill can't even get them to try?
Give Turner another 6-8 years and they will have one of the finest and most highly respected programs in the nation.
Very true. Let's be honest, if you were a POS and played college ball, who would scare the crap out of you so that you busted ass - a very hungry Jabba the Hut or Radio?
Sam S.
Did you really just compare Turner to a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) person? Not cool man. :nono:
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How is comparing one Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) to another Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) not cool? I bet you look like that kid who made all those 3's...
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Mangino recruited a bunch of garbage human beings with athletic talent that he could beat into football players. Is it any wonder that Gill can't even get them to try?
Give Turner another 6-8 years and they will have one of the finest and most highly respected programs in the nation.
Very true. Let's be honest, if you were a POS and played college ball, who would scare the crap out of you so that you busted ass - a very hungry Jabba the Hut or Radio?
Sam S.
Did you really just compare Turner to a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) person? Not cool man. :nono:
Stop letting the mentally challenged have that word. Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) is our word now. We like it and use it much more hilarious ways, you Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
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Need to factor in the facility improvements, track was resurfaced during Mangino's tenure.
:popcorn:
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The admins might talk about it, until they realize the huge buyout they'd have to pay.
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The admins might talk about it, until they realize the huge buyout they'd have to pay.
This. All $10 million of Gill's contract is guaranteed. At this point, KU might be better off abandoning football like they did until Mangino got there.
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Wow . . . we took heat for firing a guy who was clearly in over his head after 2.5 seasons. What are they going to get if they can Gill after one??
I believe in a few months Gill's buyout will "only" be $8 million. But their coordinators likely have 2 year contracts, so canning the whole staff will still likely cost about $10 million.
What's worse, the MOU spelled on a napkin or Lew paying Gill $2 million a year and giving him a 5 year contract with a buyout worth his full salary for every year remaining?? Hell, at least Krause deferred the payments to Prince.
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Wow . . . we took heat for firing a guy who was clearly in over his head after 2.5 seasons. What are they going to get if they can Gill after one??
I believe in a few months Gill's buyout will "only" be $8 million. But their coordinators likely have 2 year contracts, so canning the whole staff will still likely cost about $10 million.
What's worse, the MOU spelled on a napkin or Lew paying Gill $2 million a year and giving him a 5 year contract with a buyout worth his full salary for every year remaining?? Hell, at least Krause deferred the payments to Prince.
To be honest KSU got very little heat. It was mostly ksu fans playing the "media hates us" martyr card as we so deftly do.
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Mangino recruited a bunch of garbage human beings with athletic talent that he could beat into football players. Is it any wonder that Gill can't even get them to try?
Give Turner another 6-8 years and they will have one of the finest and most highly respected programs in the nation.
It would be very similar to Wooly in bball here. We were well respected for our graduation rate and Wooly was a great guy. I hope ku can experience that kind of respect for a change they've had to go through a lot the past few years with all that's been dumped on them lately.
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If I were TG, I would be praying for a pink slip and the $8M at the end of this season.
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Wow . . . we took heat for firing a guy who was clearly in over his head after 2.5 seasons. What are they going to get if they can Gill after one??
I believe in a few months Gill's buyout will "only" be $8 million. But their coordinators likely have 2 year contracts, so canning the whole staff will still likely cost about $10 million.
What's worse, the MOU spelled on a napkin or Lew paying Gill $2 million a year and giving him a 5 year contract with a buyout worth his full salary for every year remaining?? Hell, at least Krause deferred the payments to Prince.
To be honest KSU got very little heat. It was mostly ksu fans playing the "media hates us" martyr card as we so deftly do.
But KSU did get heat from Dungy (who showed he was clueless) and from some other national media/organization types.
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Given TG and assistants' contracts, what kind of coach and staff could KU afford?
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Wow . . . we took heat for firing a guy who was clearly in over his head after 2.5 seasons. What are they going to get if they can Gill after one??
I believe in a few months Gill's buyout will "only" be $8 million. But their coordinators likely have 2 year contracts, so canning the whole staff will still likely cost about $10 million.
What's worse, the MOU spelled on a napkin or Lew paying Gill $2 million a year and giving him a 5 year contract with a buyout worth his full salary for every year remaining?? Hell, at least Krause deferred the payments to Prince.
To be honest KSU got very little heat. It was mostly ksu fans playing the "media hates us" martyr card as we so deftly do.
But KSU did get heat from Dungy (who showed he was clueless) and from some other national media/organization types.
A tiny bit from from Dungy (one sentence). The rest was also single sentence throw away stuff. Most of it was in ksu fans' minds who were "just sure" we were going to get blasted by the media as racists. A week after he was gone no one was even talking about it. We ksu fans have an amazing persecution complex. HUGE.
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Given TG and assistants' contracts, what kind of coach and staff could KU afford?
Tony Dungy is in charge of the Minnesota hire, and he has made it known that he wants more minority coaches in college football. If I were the AD at KU, I would be get on the phone with Minnesota and try to work out a deal between them and Gill where they would give him a 5 year, $5 million contract, and KU would continue to pay him $1 million per year. This cuts the buyout in half, and Turner still gets paid.
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Given TG and assistants' contracts, what kind of coach and staff could KU afford?
Tony Dungy is in charge of the Minnesota hire, and he has made it known that he wants more minority coaches in college football. If I were the AD at KU, I would be get on the phone with Minnesota and try to work out a deal between them and Gill where they would give him a 5 year, $5 million contract, and KU would continue to pay him $1 million per year. This cuts the buyout in half, and Turner still gets paid.
But that doesn't meet Dungy's agenda of adding MORE minority coaches in college football.
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Wow . . . we took heat for firing a guy who was clearly in over his head after 2.5 seasons. What are they going to get if they can Gill after one??
I believe in a few months Gill's buyout will "only" be $8 million. But their coordinators likely have 2 year contracts, so canning the whole staff will still likely cost about $10 million.
What's worse, the MOU spelled on a napkin or Lew paying Gill $2 million a year and giving him a 5 year contract with a buyout worth his full salary for every year remaining?? Hell, at least Krause deferred the payments to Prince.
To be honest KSU got very little heat. It was mostly ksu fans playing the "media hates us" martyr card as we so deftly do.
But KSU did get heat from Dungy (who showed he was clueless) and from some other national media/organization types.
A tiny bit from from Dungy (one sentence). The rest was also single sentence throw away stuff. Most of it was in ksu fans' minds who were "just sure" we were going to get blasted by the media as racists. A week after he was gone no one was even talking about it. We ksu fans have an amazing persecution complex. HUGE.
Lost my "media hates us" complex several years ago . . . we got "mentions" from some for firing a guy after 2.5 years who was clearly not going to work out (sadly we went back to the familiar and easy) . . . ku would get grilled IMO if they can Gill after only 1 year. There's going to be all kinds of discussion about how the guy never even got a chance to coach his recruits. But in the end, it really won't matter.
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Wow . . . we took heat for firing a guy who was clearly in over his head after 2.5 seasons. What are they going to get if they can Gill after one??
I believe in a few months Gill's buyout will "only" be $8 million. But their coordinators likely have 2 year contracts, so canning the whole staff will still likely cost about $10 million.
What's worse, the MOU spelled on a napkin or Lew paying Gill $2 million a year and giving him a 5 year contract with a buyout worth his full salary for every year remaining?? Hell, at least Krause deferred the payments to Prince.
To be honest KSU got very little heat. It was mostly ksu fans playing the "media hates us" martyr card as we so deftly do.
But KSU did get heat from Dungy (who showed he was clueless) and from some other national media/organization types.
A tiny bit from from Dungy (one sentence). The rest was also single sentence throw away stuff. Most of it was in ksu fans' minds who were "just sure" we were going to get blasted by the media as racists. A week after he was gone no one was even talking about it. We ksu fans have an amazing persecution complex. HUGE.
Lost my "media hates us" complex several years ago . . . we got "mentions" from some for firing a guy after 2.5 years who was clearly not going to work out (sadly we went back to the familiar and easy) . . . ku would get grilled IMO if they can Gill after only 1 year. There's going to be all kinds of discussion about how the guy never even got a chance to coach his recruits. But in the end, it really won't matter.
Of course KU will get nailed, and rightly so.
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Wow . . . we took heat for firing a guy who was clearly in over his head after 2.5 seasons. What are they going to get if they can Gill after one??
I believe in a few months Gill's buyout will "only" be $8 million. But their coordinators likely have 2 year contracts, so canning the whole staff will still likely cost about $10 million.
What's worse, the MOU spelled on a napkin or Lew paying Gill $2 million a year and giving him a 5 year contract with a buyout worth his full salary for every year remaining?? Hell, at least Krause deferred the payments to Prince.
To be honest KSU got very little heat. It was mostly ksu fans playing the "media hates us" martyr card as we so deftly do.
But KSU did get heat from Dungy (who showed he was clueless) and from some other national media/organization types.
A tiny bit from from Dungy (one sentence). The rest was also single sentence throw away stuff. Most of it was in ksu fans' minds who were "just sure" we were going to get blasted by the media as racists. A week after he was gone no one was even talking about it. We ksu fans have an amazing persecution complex. HUGE.
Whitlock wrote an entire article about how we were backwoods hicktown racist for firing him.
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Wow . . . we took heat for firing a guy who was clearly in over his head after 2.5 seasons. What are they going to get if they can Gill after one??
I believe in a few months Gill's buyout will "only" be $8 million. But their coordinators likely have 2 year contracts, so canning the whole staff will still likely cost about $10 million.
What's worse, the MOU spelled on a napkin or Lew paying Gill $2 million a year and giving him a 5 year contract with a buyout worth his full salary for every year remaining?? Hell, at least Krause deferred the payments to Prince.
To be honest KSU got very little heat. It was mostly ksu fans playing the "media hates us" martyr card as we so deftly do.
But KSU did get heat from Dungy (who showed he was clueless) and from some other national media/organization types.
A tiny bit from from Dungy (one sentence). The rest was also single sentence throw away stuff. Most of it was in ksu fans' minds who were "just sure" we were going to get blasted by the media as racists. A week after he was gone no one was even talking about it. We ksu fans have an amazing persecution complex. HUGE.
Whitlock wrote an entire article about how we were backwoods hicktown racist for firing him.
That was just Whitlock being Whitlock, though. He also said that the power and light district is racist because they have a dress code.
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Wow . . . we took heat for firing a guy who was clearly in over his head after 2.5 seasons. What are they going to get if they can Gill after one??
I believe in a few months Gill's buyout will "only" be $8 million. But their coordinators likely have 2 year contracts, so canning the whole staff will still likely cost about $10 million.
What's worse, the MOU spelled on a napkin or Lew paying Gill $2 million a year and giving him a 5 year contract with a buyout worth his full salary for every year remaining?? Hell, at least Krause deferred the payments to Prince.
To be honest KSU got very little heat. It was mostly ksu fans playing the "media hates us" martyr card as we so deftly do.
But KSU did get heat from Dungy (who showed he was clueless) and from some other national media/organization types.
A tiny bit from from Dungy (one sentence). The rest was also single sentence throw away stuff. Most of it was in ksu fans' minds who were "just sure" we were going to get blasted by the media as racists. A week after he was gone no one was even talking about it. We ksu fans have an amazing persecution complex. HUGE.
Whitlock wrote an entire article about how we were backwoods hicktown racist for firing him.
That was just Whitlock being Whitlock, though. He also said that the power and light district is racist because they have a dress code.
agreed, just saying it was out there. would love to see what he would have to say about KU firing Gill after one season.
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Found the whitlock article. It sucks all the KC star links no longer work for his articles...
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/78269-black-coaches-need-to-pick-the-right-jobs
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Found the whitlock article. It sucks all the KC star links no longer work for his articles...
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/78269-black-coaches-need-to-pick-the-right-jobs
Seems pretty fair to K-State to me.
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Wow . . . we took heat for firing a guy who was clearly in over his head after 2.5 seasons. What are they going to get if they can Gill after one??
I believe in a few months Gill's buyout will "only" be $8 million. But their coordinators likely have 2 year contracts, so canning the whole staff will still likely cost about $10 million.
What's worse, the MOU spelled on a napkin or Lew paying Gill $2 million a year and giving him a 5 year contract with a buyout worth his full salary for every year remaining?? Hell, at least Krause deferred the payments to Prince.
To be honest KSU got very little heat. It was mostly ksu fans playing the "media hates us" martyr card as we so deftly do.
But KSU did get heat from Dungy (who showed he was clueless) and from some other national media/organization types.
A tiny bit from from Dungy (one sentence). The rest was also single sentence throw away stuff. Most of it was in ksu fans' minds who were "just sure" we were going to get blasted by the media as racists. A week after he was gone no one was even talking about it. We ksu fans have an amazing persecution complex. HUGE.
Mark May also said we never gave him a chance and that it was because he was a back head coach in about a 3 minute rant. In that instance the media really did hate us.
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Found the whitlock article. It sucks all the KC star links no longer work for his articles...
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/78269-black-coaches-need-to-pick-the-right-jobs
Seems pretty fair to K-State to me.
More than that. He not only fails to blame KSU for firing Prince, he says that it wasn't a surprise given how the two were mismatched.
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Mark May really hated us. He loves KU so much tho that he said in '09 they have an outside chance at a NC, which was LOL. Now if Gill hets axed in 1 or even 2 years I'd expect his boner for KU to go limp
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Found the whitlock article. It sucks all the KC star links no longer work for his articles...
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/78269-black-coaches-need-to-pick-the-right-jobs
Seems pretty fair to K-State to me.
More than that. He not only fails to blame KSU for firing Prince, he says that it wasn't a surprise given how the two were mismatched.
Take a look at Turner Gill at Buffalo. He's in his third season in the Mid-American Conference. His career record is 11-21 but his reputation is impeccable. He was the MAC coach of the year in 2007 after guiding the Bulls to a 5-7 record. Buffalo is 4-4 this year and has a shot at representing the East in the MAC title game.
Gill is taking the proper path to coaching greatness. He is likely to get a BCS job in the next two to three years. When he gets it, he'll be ready.
:lol:
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Rumor has it that ku fans have already selected the tree that they're going to hang Gill from....if I were Gill, I'd consider letting my attorneys pick up that $8 million check and forward it on to me in Lincoln, or wherever I was going.
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But KSU did get heat from Dungy (who showed he was clueless) and from some other national media/organization types.
A tiny bit from from Dungy (one sentence). The rest was also single sentence throw away stuff. Most of it was in ksu fans' minds who were "just sure" we were going to get blasted by the media as racists. A week after he was gone no one was even talking about it. We ksu fans have an amazing persecution complex. HUGE.
Lost my "media hates us" complex several years ago . . . we got "mentions" from some for firing a guy after 2.5 years who was clearly not going to work out (sadly we went back to the familiar and easy) . . . ku would get grilled IMO if they can Gill after only 1 year. There's going to be all kinds of discussion about how the guy never even got a chance to coach his recruits. But in the end, it really won't matter.
:rolleyes: No, you haven't lost your complex if you thought Dungy was being critical.
"Raheem Morris was a defensive coordinator for Kansas State. He left there to be a position coach in the NFL feeling like he had a better chance for advancement."
How is that even critical of KSU, since we already had a minority HC at the time? Answer: it's not. He was criticizing other universities and the general college football atmosphere by saying Morris had to go to the NFL.
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Raheem saw RP's shitty coaching as detrimental to him being viewed as a quality coordinator, thus harming his ability to get another job, so he got the eff out while he could.
Nothing to do with Race, KSU, or the NCAA institutions view of race as it relates to coaching advancement.
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I'm sure Ron's meglomania didn't help either. Hard to imagine that sorry SOB wouldn't even let a future NFL HC to speak to the media. What a jackass.
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Wow . . . we took heat for firing a guy who was clearly in over his head after 2.5 seasons. What are they going to get if they can Gill after one??
I believe in a few months Gill's buyout will "only" be $8 million. But their coordinators likely have 2 year contracts, so canning the whole staff will still likely cost about $10 million.
What's worse, the MOU spelled on a napkin or Lew paying Gill $2 million a year and giving him a 5 year contract with a buyout worth his full salary for every year remaining?? Hell, at least Krause deferred the payments to Prince.
To be honest KSU got very little heat. It was mostly ksu fans playing the "media hates us" martyr card as we so deftly do.
But KSU did get heat from Dungy (who showed he was clueless) and from some other national media/organization types.
A tiny bit from from Dungy (one sentence). The rest was also single sentence throw away stuff. Most of it was in ksu fans' minds who were "just sure" we were going to get blasted by the media as racists. A week after he was gone no one was even talking about it. We ksu fans have an amazing persecution complex. HUGE.
Whitlock wrote an entire article about how we were backwoods hicktown racist for firing him.
That was just Whitlock being Whitlock, though. He also said that the power and light district is racist because they have a dress code.
P&L is racist.
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Wow . . . we took heat for firing a guy who was clearly in over his head after 2.5 seasons. What are they going to get if they can Gill after one??
I believe in a few months Gill's buyout will "only" be $8 million. But their coordinators likely have 2 year contracts, so canning the whole staff will still likely cost about $10 million.
What's worse, the MOU spelled on a napkin or Lew paying Gill $2 million a year and giving him a 5 year contract with a buyout worth his full salary for every year remaining?? Hell, at least Krause deferred the payments to Prince.
To be honest KSU got very little heat. It was mostly ksu fans playing the "media hates us" martyr card as we so deftly do.
But KSU did get heat from Dungy (who showed he was clueless) and from some other national media/organization types.
A tiny bit from from Dungy (one sentence). The rest was also single sentence throw away stuff. Most of it was in ksu fans' minds who were "just sure" we were going to get blasted by the media as racists. A week after he was gone no one was even talking about it. We ksu fans have an amazing persecution complex. HUGE.
Whitlock wrote an entire article about how we were backwoods hicktown racist for firing him.
That was just Whitlock being Whitlock, though. He also said that the power and light district is racist because they have a dress code.
P&L is racist.
:facepalm:
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Charles Barkley was all pissed at us too. I don't even remember now what his ill-informed comments were, but it was pretty lame. Mark May said "Who do you think you are, K-State? Shame on you!"
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There were numerous snide comments made about KSU about the firing of Prince. Nothing earth-shattering but more than I was comfortable with. We have obviously not recruited well for awhile now, so any bad pub out there was a serious negative for us. The last thing we needed is well respected members of the black community portraying us in a negative light. Hell, it's hard enough to get kids to play here without the media acting like our administration is racist.
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I will always hate Mark May. Always
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That was just Whitlock being Whitlock, though. He also said that the power and light district is racist because they have a dress code.
P&L is racist.
:facepalm:
I see you used the white facepalm guy.
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P&L is racist.
I've never been, so I wouldn't know. If they are racist, it's not because they have a dress code.
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P&L is racist.
I've never been, so I wouldn't know. If they are racist, it's not because they have a dress code.
no crap. they have a dress code because they are racist.
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P&L is racist.
I've never been, so I wouldn't know. If they are racist, it's not because they have a dress code.
no crap. they have a dress code because they are racist.
Plus, it's selectively enforced because they're racist.