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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: LickNeckey on October 08, 2010, 12:43:19 PM
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http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2010/10/05/buffett-says-cut-taxes-for-the-poor/
Buffett says cut taxes for all but the rich
Posted by Colin Barr
October 5, 2010 11:02 am
Warren Buffett said it's time to raise taxes on the 'very rich' -- and perhaps cut them for the rest of the population.
Buffett, the billionaire investor who runs Berkshire Hathaway (BRKA), said Tuesday at Fortune's Most Powerful Women Summit in Washington that the nation's tax code "has gotten distorted to a huge extent," by levying higher taxes on secretaries and janitors than on CEOs and private equity whiners.
Tax rates: heading higher?
He called, as he has in the past, for policymakers to redress that iniquity by raising taxes on the rich. Buffett said taxes will have to rise in general in coming years if we want to dig our way out of a giant budget deficit.
"We are not taking in enough money at the federal government level," he said. He said tax collections (see chart, right) will have to rise back into the 18-20% range from below 15% lately.
But Buffett also added a new twist in an interview after his appearance with CNNMoney.com's Poppy Harlow: He said it's time to cut taxes on those outside the top tax brackets.
Buffett has been railing for years about the absurdity of the current tax structure – he remarked Tuesday with some disbelief that he pays the lowest rate in his Omaha office -- and has accordingly called for higher taxes on those earning large wages, including himself.
But he hasn't previously pushed for lower taxes on those making less. Asked why not, he said that no one ever asked.
A tax cut for low-income people could boost consumer spending at a time of high unemployment and fading government stimulus funds. But such a shift might not play well with the Tea Party types who have made an issue of the fact that 47% of U.S. households paid no federal income tax last year.
Regardless, Buffett says the tax numbers don't add up and will have to rise. So why not raise taxes on those who can afford to pay?
"We're going to need to get more money," said Buffett. "Why not get it from me instead of the guys who will serve us lunch?"
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I've never heard of this Buffet (i bet he's on welfare) guy but clearly knows jack hullabaloo about the business world. It's bleeding heart liberals like him and his fellow tax happy Obamites that are ruining our MMerica.
In response i plan on standing outside my house chanting "Flat Tax" until someone tries to argue with me then i will channel all of the knowledge and insight i have gained from my EIB Demigod, at my local Tea Party Rallies, and Beck's chalkboard and totally burn whatever liberal pvssy steps up.
In a related story Voodoo economists the world over laugh at this Buffet fellow.
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Perhaps you ought to forward him this link:
https://www.pay.gov/paygov/forms/formInstance.html?agencyFormId=23779454
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good idea Jeff that will shut that stupid liberal up :thumbsup:
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All of it needs to expire.
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Pretty easy to say you should pay a few more percent in income taxes when you make more in interest on your bank account in one month than most people do in a year (including evil rich people). Buffett is senile as sh*t and has gotten philanthropic in his old age. Strange that he thinks the federal government is a worthy philanthropy given how its operated. He'll pay his share when he dies to the tune of 45% of his estate.
Here's a novel idea: STOP SPENDING SO MUCH F8CKING MONEY
Taking money from one person and giving it to another under the guise of the federal government is nothing more than organized thievery.
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All of it needs to expire.
Good idea, Prince! That will shut that conservative up! :thumbsup:
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Lecky and Junky are obviously among the bottom 47% of tax payers (non-taxpayers).
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Why are you guys for extending the tax cuts?
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Why are you guys for extending the tax cuts?
Because it will cost me about $2700 that will probably go to some lazy government workers bloated $250,000/yr retirement package? :dunno:
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I thought conservatives were opposed to excessive government spending.
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I thought conservatives were opposed to excessive government spending.
I suppose you think letting someone keep the money they earn is excessive government spending?
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Good God but you people are retards. Big busines (read "Buffett, Soros, Gates, et al.") *LOVES* big governemnt. The bigger the government and the higher the taxes the more likely that it will tax anyone struggling to start or operate a small or medium-sized business to a degree that makes doing so nearly impossible and will regulate away most others. Suddenly, big business is left standing alone with nearly the entire field otherwise unoccupied. Buffet isn't senile, he's acting in his own self-interest by weeding out messy competition, in most cases before it becomes competition, without actually having to compete.
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i kind of have to lol at people that worry about how much they are getting taxed.
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i kind of have to lol at people that worry about how much they are getting taxed.
Worried? No. Pissed? Yes.
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i kind of have to lol at people that worry about how much they are getting taxed.
Worried? No. Pissed? Yes.
well i would even lol even more at you then i guess.
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i kind of have to lol at people that worry about how much they are getting taxed.
Worried? No. Pissed? Yes.
well i would even lol even more at you then i guess.
Enjoying life in that 47%, aren't you?
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i kind of have to lol at people that worry about how much they are getting taxed.
Worried? No. Pissed? Yes.
well i would even lol even more at you then i guess.
Enjoying life in that 47%, aren't you?
If you want to get into that group, I'm sure your employer would be willing to pay you less. :dunno:
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i kind of have to lol at people that worry about how much they are getting taxed.
Worried? No. Pissed? Yes.
well i would even lol even more at you then i guess.
Enjoying life in that 47%, aren't you?
If you want to get into that group, I'm sure your employer would be willing to pay you less. :dunno:
Why do you guys enjoy paying taxes? Seems kind of demented, or like a mental disease or something. :dunno:
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i kind of have to lol at people that worry about how much they are getting taxed.
Worried? No. Pissed? Yes.
well i would even lol even more at you then i guess.
Enjoying life in that 47%, aren't you?
If you want to get into that group, I'm sure your employer would be willing to pay you less. :dunno:
Why do you guys enjoy paying taxes? Seems kind of demented, or like a mental disease or something. :dunno:
I don't enjoy paying taxes, but I don't hate people who are too poor to pay them, either.
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i kind of have to lol at people that worry about how much they are getting taxed.
Worried? No. Pissed? Yes.
well i would even lol even more at you then i guess.
Enjoying life in that 47%, aren't you?
If you want to get into that group, I'm sure your employer would be willing to pay you less. :dunno:
Why do you guys enjoy paying taxes? Seems kind of demented, or like a mental disease or something. :dunno:
question- why are you "pissed"? do you even know?
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endless lol at people that graduated from ksu and public schools railing against paying too many taxes once they had their fill from the tit.
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endless lol at people that graduated from ksu and public schools railing against paying too many taxes once they had their fill from the tit.
Oh crap.... and I just flushed my toilet and it went through a taxpayer funded sewer system! :flush:
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endless lol at people that graduated from ksu and public schools railing against paying too many taxes once they had their fill from the tit.
Oh crap.... and I just flushed my toilet and it went through a taxpayer funded sewer system! :flush:
seriously though, why does the amount that you're taxed "get your goat" as much as it does? some of you guys seem to be almost consumed by it. i don't get it.
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endless lol at people that graduated from ksu and public schools railing against paying too many taxes once they had their fill from the tit.
Oh crap.... and I just flushed my toilet and it went through a taxpayer funded sewer system! :flush:
With your government paycheck. That's the spirit!
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endless lol at people that graduated from ksu and public schools railing against paying too many taxes once they had their fill from the tit.
Oh crap.... and I just flushed my toilet and it went through a taxpayer funded sewer system! :flush:
seriously though, why does the amount that you're taxed "get your goat" as much as it does? some of you guys seem to be almost consumed by it. i don't get it.
let's make a list of things the government does better or more efficiently than the private sector.
1. Military
2. ?
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endless lol at people that graduated from ksu and public schools railing against paying too many taxes once they had their fill from the tit.
Oh crap.... and I just flushed my toilet and it went through a taxpayer funded sewer system! :flush:
seriously though, why does the amount that you're taxed "get your goat" as much as it does? some of you guys seem to be almost consumed by it. i don't get it.
let's make a list of things the government does better or more efficiently than the private sector.
1. Military
2. ?
no. let's get to the bottom of why you are "pissed". i still don't get it.
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endless lol at people that graduated from ksu and public schools railing against paying too many taxes once they had their fill from the tit.
Oh crap.... and I just flushed my toilet and it went through a taxpayer funded sewer system! :flush:
seriously though, why does the amount that you're taxed "get your goat" as much as it does? some of you guys seem to be almost consumed by it. i don't get it.
let's make a list of things the government does better or more efficiently than the private sector.
1. Military
2. ?
Research
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endless lol at people that graduated from ksu and public schools railing against paying too many taxes once they had their fill from the tit.
Oh crap.... and I just flushed my toilet and it went through a taxpayer funded sewer system! :flush:
seriously though, why does the amount that you're taxed "get your goat" as much as it does? some of you guys seem to be almost consumed by it. i don't get it.
let's make a list of things the government does better or more efficiently than the private sector.
1. Military
2. ?
Space Exploration
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endless lol at people that graduated from ksu and public schools railing against paying too many taxes once they had their fill from the tit.
Oh crap.... and I just flushed my toilet and it went through a taxpayer funded sewer system! :flush:
seriously though, why does the amount that you're taxed "get your goat" as much as it does? some of you guys seem to be almost consumed by it. i don't get it.
let's make a list of things the government does better or more efficiently than the private sector.
1. Military
2. ?
no. let's get to the bottom of why you are "pissed". i still don't get it.
I thought it would be obvious when I started the list, but I will spell it out. Government is a very inefficient and wasteful.
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endless lol at people that graduated from ksu and public schools railing against paying too many taxes once they had their fill from the tit.
Oh crap.... and I just flushed my toilet and it went through a taxpayer funded sewer system! :flush:
seriously though, why does the amount that you're taxed "get your goat" as much as it does? some of you guys seem to be almost consumed by it. i don't get it.
let's make a list of things the government does better or more efficiently than the private sector.
1. Military
2. ?
no. let's get to the bottom of why you are "pissed". i still don't get it.
I thought it would be obvious when I started the list, but I will spell it out. Government is a very inefficient and wasteful.
so why does that bother you so much?
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endless lol at people that graduated from ksu and public schools railing against paying too many taxes once they had their fill from the tit.
Oh crap.... and I just flushed my toilet and it went through a taxpayer funded sewer system! :flush:
seriously though, why does the amount that you're taxed "get your goat" as much as it does? some of you guys seem to be almost consumed by it. i don't get it.
let's make a list of things the government does better or more efficiently than the private sector.
1. Military
2. ?
no. let's get to the bottom of why you are "pissed". i still don't get it.
I thought it would be obvious when I started the list, but I will spell it out. Government is a very inefficient and wasteful.
so why does that bother you so much?
:facepalm: I guess it's true, ignorance is bliss.
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endless lol at people that graduated from ksu and public schools railing against paying too many taxes once they had their fill from the tit.
Oh crap.... and I just flushed my toilet and it went through a taxpayer funded sewer system! :flush:
seriously though, why does the amount that you're taxed "get your goat" as much as it does? some of you guys seem to be almost consumed by it. i don't get it.
let's make a list of things the government does better or more efficiently than the private sector.
1. Military
2. ?
no. let's get to the bottom of why you are "pissed". i still don't get it.
I thought it would be obvious when I started the list, but I will spell it out. Government is a very inefficient and wasteful.
so why does that bother you so much?
:facepalm: I guess it's true, ignorance is bliss.
you still haven't answered. why are you pissed? make me understand.
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endless lol at people that graduated from ksu and public schools railing against paying too many taxes once they had their fill from the tit.
Oh crap.... and I just flushed my toilet and it went through a taxpayer funded sewer system! :flush:
seriously though, why does the amount that you're taxed "get your goat" as much as it does? some of you guys seem to be almost consumed by it. i don't get it.
let's make a list of things the government does better or more efficiently than the private sector.
1. Military
2. ?
no. let's get to the bottom of why you are "pissed". i still don't get it.
I thought it would be obvious when I started the list, but I will spell it out. Government is a very inefficient and wasteful.
so why does that bother you so much?
:facepalm: I guess it's true, ignorance is bliss.
you still haven't answered. why are you pissed? make me understand.
I guess he is pissed that a portion of the money he makes goes to pay for the protection, infrastructure, and freedoms he enjoys that enables him to purse the activities that allows him to make the money to enjoy the things in life that ability to make money affords. Dam that sucks.
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endless lol at people that graduated from ksu and public schools railing against paying too many taxes once they had their fill from the tit.
Oh crap.... and I just flushed my toilet and it went through a taxpayer funded sewer system! :flush:
seriously though, why does the amount that you're taxed "get your goat" as much as it does? some of you guys seem to be almost consumed by it. i don't get it.
let's make a list of things the government does better or more efficiently than the private sector.
1. Military
2. ?
no. let's get to the bottom of why you are "pissed". i still don't get it.
I thought it would be obvious when I started the list, but I will spell it out. Government is very inefficient and wasteful.
so why does that bother you so much?
:facepalm: I guess it's true, ignorance is bliss.
you still haven't answered. why are you pissed? make me understand.
I guess he is pissed that a portion of the money he makes goes to pay for the protection, infrastructure, and freedoms he enjoys that enables him to purse the activities that allows him to make the money to enjoy the things in life that ability to make money affords. Dam that sucks.
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endless lol at people that graduated from ksu and public schools railing against paying too many taxes once they had their fill from the tit.
K-State is on the cusp of being a semi-private institution. Only about 20% of K-State's budget comes from direct state support.
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endless lol at people that graduated from ksu and public schools railing against paying too many taxes once they had their fill from the tit.
Oh crap.... and I just flushed my toilet and it went through a taxpayer funded sewer system! :flush:
seriously though, why does the amount that you're taxed "get your goat" as much as it does? some of you guys seem to be almost consumed by it. i don't get it.
let's make a list of things the government does better or more efficiently than the private sector.
1. Military
2. ?
no. let's get to the bottom of why you are "pissed". i still don't get it.
I thought it would be obvious when I started the list, but I will spell it out. Government is very inefficient and wasteful.
so why does that bother you so much?
:facepalm: I guess it's true, ignorance is bliss.
you still haven't answered. why are you pissed? make me understand.
I guess he is pissed that a portion of the money he makes goes to pay for the protection, infrastructure, and freedoms he enjoys that enables him to purse the activities that allows him to make the money to enjoy the things in life that ability to make money affords. Dam that sucks.
but why is that pissing you off? feel free to really unwind here. really let me have it.
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endless lol at people that graduated from ksu and public schools railing against paying too many taxes once they had their fill from the tit.
K-State is on the cusp of being a semi-private institution. Only about 20% of K-State's budget comes from direct state support.
Good job pubs!
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endless lol at people that graduated from ksu and public schools railing against paying too many taxes once they had their fill from the tit.
Oh crap.... and I just flushed my toilet and it went through a taxpayer funded sewer system! :flush:
seriously though, why does the amount that you're taxed "get your goat" as much as it does? some of you guys seem to be almost consumed by it. i don't get it.
let's make a list of things the government does better or more efficiently than the private sector.
1. Military
2. ?
no. let's get to the bottom of why you are "pissed". i still don't get it.
I thought it would be obvious when I started the list, but I will spell it out. Government is very inefficient and wasteful.
so why does that bother you so much?
:facepalm: I guess it's true, ignorance is bliss.
you still haven't answered. why are you pissed? make me understand.
I guess he is pissed that a portion of the money he makes goes to pay for the protection, infrastructure, and freedoms he enjoys that enables him to purse the activities that allows him to make the money to enjoy the things in life that ability to make money affords. Dam that sucks.
but why is that pissing you off? feel free to really unwind here. really let me have it.
:eye:
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endless lol at people that graduated from ksu and public schools railing against paying too many taxes once they had their fill from the tit.
K-State is on the cusp of being a semi-private institution. Only about 20% of K-State's budget comes from direct state support.
This is not a good thing, fwiw.
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endless lol at people that graduated from ksu and public schools railing against paying too many taxes once they had their fill from the tit.
K-State is on the cusp of being a semi-private institution. Only about 20% of K-State's budget comes from direct state support.
Good job pubs!
Yep, and my dad is one of those pub tards. "I put myself through school, you can do it too." OK dad, the state only picked up about 70 percent of the tab compared to the 30 percent it was when I was in school.
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endless lol at people that graduated from ksu and public schools railing against paying too many taxes once they had their fill from the tit.
Oh crap.... and I just flushed my toilet and it went through a taxpayer funded sewer system! :flush:
seriously though, why does the amount that you're taxed "get your goat" as much as it does? some of you guys seem to be almost consumed by it. i don't get it.
let's make a list of things the government does better or more efficiently than the private sector.
1. Military
2. ?
no. let's get to the bottom of why you are "pissed". i still don't get it.
I thought it would be obvious when I started the list, but I will spell it out. Government is very inefficient and wasteful.
so why does that bother you so much?
:facepalm: I guess it's true, ignorance is bliss.
you still haven't answered. why are you pissed? make me understand.
I guess he is pissed that a portion of the money he makes goes to pay for the protection, infrastructure, and freedoms he enjoys that enables him to purse the activities that allows him to make the money to enjoy the things in life that ability to make money affords. Dam that sucks.
but why is that pissing you off? feel free to really unwind here. really let me have it.
:eye:
lol. you're so "pissed".
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endless lol at people that graduated from ksu and public schools railing against paying too many taxes once they had their fill from the tit.
K-State is on the cusp of being a semi-private institution. Only about 20% of K-State's budget comes from direct state support.
The last I heard was it was more like 7%.
Also, LOL at comparing Kansas stated funded institution when talking about federal income taxes. What a dumbcrap
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endless lol at people that graduated from ksu and public schools railing against paying too many taxes once they had their fill from the tit.
K-State is on the cusp of being a semi-private institution. Only about 20% of K-State's budget comes from direct state support.
The last I heard was it was more like 7%.
Also, LOL at comparing Kansas stated funded institution when talking about federal income taxes. What a dumbcrap
Yeah research grants are always privately funded.
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I've never heard of this Buffet (i bet he's on welfare) guy but clearly knows jack hullabaloo about the business world. It's bleeding heart liberals like him and his fellow tax happy Obamites that are ruining our MMerica.
In response i plan on standing outside my house chanting "Flat Tax" until someone tries to argue with me then i will channel all of the knowledge and insight i have gained from my EIB Demigod, at my local Tea Party Rallies, and Beck's chalkboard and totally burn whatever liberal pvssy steps up.
In a related story Voodoo economists the world over laugh at this Buffet fellow.
Parody post? You do realize that the middle class is the backbone of our economy, right?
:confused:
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endless lol at people that graduated from ksu and public schools railing against paying too many taxes once they had their fill from the tit.
K-State is on the cusp of being a semi-private institution. Only about 20% of K-State's budget comes from direct state support.
The last I heard was it was more like 7%.
Also, LOL at comparing Kansas stated funded institution when talking about federal income taxes. What a dumbcrap
Yeah research grants are always privately funded.
Epic Fail :facepalm:
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Space Exploration
False. Get the government out and launch costs would fall 80-90%. But no one can get a private venture off the ground when it is forced to compete with heavy taxpayer subsidization and extraordinarily well-protected regulatory monopoly. Obama axing NASA funding was his one bright shining moment of competence, naturally he undid it almost before the ink was dry.
:users:
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I thought it would be obvious when I started the list, but I will spell it out. Government is a very inefficient and wasteful.
Any Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) should be able to understand the glaring problem, it's pretty obvious:
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Add in an additional what, 15% of GDP for imposed federal regulatory costs today versus essentially 0 for the first 150 or so years of the republic and it becomes even more clear: this is absolutely unsustainable. I give it a decade, maybe one and a half to complete economic collapse if nothing major is done.
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Here's the version with federal (blue), state (red) and local (green) spending (state & local data go back only to 1904):
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How much is enough lefties? If you spend half and half of the remainder is private spending imposed by regulatory fiat I'll suggest that you're headed the way of the former Soviet Union and for much the same reason. Of course we might get lucky as our federal debt will almost certainly surpass the level which sucked Greece into the toilet (and many others before them) prior to government controlling 100% of everything in the pseudo-private sector. I'd prefer foreign creditors imposing an austerity budget on the US to the carnage of a completely command-and-control economy.
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How much is enough lefties? If you spend half and half of the remainder is private spending imposed by regulatory fiat I'll suggest that you're headed the way of the former Soviet Union and for much the same reason. Of course we might get lucky as our federal debt will almost certainly surpass the level which sucked Greece into the toilet (and many others before them) prior to government controlling 100% of everything in the pseudo-private sector. I'd prefer foreign creditors imposing an austerity budget on the US to the carnage of a completely command-and-control economy.
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I think we need to both raise taxes and cut spending. You can't claim to be serious about fiscal responsibility without a combination of the two at this point.
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How much is enough lefties? If you spend half and half of the remainder is private spending imposed by regulatory fiat I'll suggest that you're headed the way of the former Soviet Union and for much the same reason. Of course we might get lucky as our federal debt will almost certainly surpass the level which sucked Greece into the toilet (and many others before them) prior to government controlling 100% of everything in the pseudo-private sector. I'd prefer foreign creditors imposing an austerity budget on the US to the carnage of a completely command-and-control economy.
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I think we need to both raise taxes and cut spending. You can't claim to be serious about fiscal responsibility without a combination of the two at this point.
Wrong as usual. Here's Cato's Dan Mitchell on how to keep all of Obama's spending, make all of Bush's tax cuts permanent, index the AMT for inflation and still balance the budget by 2016. (http://reason.tv/roughcut/show/its-simple-to-balance-the-budg) The problem is that the new crop of politicians wouldn't be able to pay off anyone who's not already on the take so it'll never happen.
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How much is enough lefties? If you spend half and half of the remainder is private spending imposed by regulatory fiat I'll suggest that you're headed the way of the former Soviet Union and for much the same reason. Of course we might get lucky as our federal debt will almost certainly surpass the level which sucked Greece into the toilet (and many others before them) prior to government controlling 100% of everything in the pseudo-private sector. I'd prefer foreign creditors imposing an austerity budget on the US to the carnage of a completely command-and-control economy.
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I think we need to both increase income and cut spending. You can't claim to be serious about fiscal responsibility without a combination of the two at this point.
Fixed it for you. It's much more logical now.
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Wrong as usual. Here's Cato's Dan Mitchell on how to keep all of Obama's spending, make all of Bush's tax cuts permanent, index the AMT for inflation and still balance the budget by 2016. (http://reason.tv/roughcut/show/its-simple-to-balance-the-budg) The problem is that the new crop of politicians wouldn't be able to pay off anyone who's not already on the take so it'll never happen.
Actually, you do agree with me. There's no way you can just plug in that guys numbers and balance the budget at this point. In a perfect world, of course it would be easy to cut spending enough eliminate the income tax in less than 10 years. It's just a little tougher in reality.
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Wrong as usual. Here's Cato's Dan Mitchell on how to keep all of Obama's spending, make all of Bush's tax cuts permanent, index the AMT for inflation and still balance the budget by 2016. (http://reason.tv/roughcut/show/its-simple-to-balance-the-budg) The problem is that the new crop of politicians wouldn't be able to pay off anyone who's not already on the take so it'll never happen.
Actually, you do agree with me. There's no way you can just plug in that guys numbers and balance the budget at this point. In a perfect world, of course it would be easy to cut spending enough eliminate the income tax in less than 10 years. It's just a little tougher in reality.
Try again. Hint: Watch the video this time, you're not smart enough to get away with bluffing your way through a discussion. Hint 2: They're not his numbers, they're the CBO's numbers (you know: the ones the Administration and Congress base everything, like spending, budgeting, etc. upon).
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Wrong as usual. Here's Cato's Dan Mitchell on how to keep all of Obama's spending, make all of Bush's tax cuts permanent, index the AMT for inflation and still balance the budget by 2016. (http://reason.tv/roughcut/show/its-simple-to-balance-the-budg) The problem is that the new crop of politicians wouldn't be able to pay off anyone who's not already on the take so it'll never happen.
Actually, you do agree with me. There's no way you can just plug in that guys numbers and balance the budget at this point. In a perfect world, of course it would be easy to cut spending enough eliminate the income tax in less than 10 years. It's just a little tougher in reality.
Try again. Hint: Watch the video this time, you're not smart enough to get away with bluffing your way through a discussion. Hint 2: They're not his numbers, they're the CBO's numbers (you know: the ones the Administration and Congress base everything, like spending, budgeting, etc. upon).
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I'm not disputing his numbers. I'm agreeing with you that the political climate won't let it happen.
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Wrong as usual. Here's Cato's Dan Mitchell on how to keep all of Obama's spending, make all of Bush's tax cuts permanent, index the AMT for inflation and still balance the budget by 2016. (http://reason.tv/roughcut/show/its-simple-to-balance-the-budg) The problem is that the new crop of politicians wouldn't be able to pay off anyone who's not already on the take so it'll never happen.
Actually, you do agree with me. There's no way you can just plug in that guys numbers and balance the budget at this point. In a perfect world, of course it would be easy to cut spending enough eliminate the income tax in less than 10 years. It's just a little tougher in reality.
Try again. Hint: Watch the video this time, you're not smart enough to get away with bluffing your way through a discussion. Hint 2: They're not his numbers, they're the CBO's numbers (you know: the ones the Administration and Congress base everything, like spending, budgeting, etc. upon).
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I'm not disputing his numbers. I'm agreeing with you that the political climate won't let it happen.
They're not his numbers, they're the CBO's numbers. It's so simple, so fast, and yet, despite the fact that it's absolutely mandatory in order to avoid something that will make the Great Depression look like a walk in the park, and despite the fact that every politician in DC right now can have everything they've just done and want to do, it still can't happen. Pretty clear this place is: :flush:
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The Federal Government is an overinflated, under-performing, inefficient bureaucracy. Anyone who actually tries to argue against that is so fu*c'king clueless they aren't worth arguing with. It makes Floyd Mayweather look frugle
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Wrong as usual. Here's Cato's Dan Mitchell on how to keep all of Obama's spending, make all of Bush's tax cuts permanent, index the AMT for inflation and still balance the budget by 2016. (http://reason.tv/roughcut/show/its-simple-to-balance-the-budg) The problem is that the new crop of politicians wouldn't be able to pay off anyone who's not already on the take so it'll never happen.
Actually, you do agree with me. There's no way you can just plug in that guys numbers and balance the budget at this point. In a perfect world, of course it would be easy to cut spending enough eliminate the income tax in less than 10 years. It's just a little tougher in reality.
Try again. Hint: Watch the video this time, you're not smart enough to get away with bluffing your way through a discussion. Hint 2: They're not his numbers, they're the CBO's numbers (you know: the ones the Administration and Congress base everything, like spending, budgeting, etc. upon).
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I'm not disputing his numbers. I'm agreeing with you that the political climate won't let it happen.
Oh, and you still need to watch the video so you'll know what "it" is (which you clearly don't at this point).
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Wrong as usual. Here's Cato's Dan Mitchell on how to keep all of Obama's spending, make all of Bush's tax cuts permanent, index the AMT for inflation and still balance the budget by 2016. (http://reason.tv/roughcut/show/its-simple-to-balance-the-budg) The problem is that the new crop of politicians wouldn't be able to pay off anyone who's not already on the take so it'll never happen.
Actually, you do agree with me. There's no way you can just plug in that guys numbers and balance the budget at this point. In a perfect world, of course it would be easy to cut spending enough eliminate the income tax in less than 10 years. It's just a little tougher in reality.
Try again. Hint: Watch the video this time, you're not smart enough to get away with bluffing your way through a discussion. Hint 2: They're not his numbers, they're the CBO's numbers (you know: the ones the Administration and Congress base everything, like spending, budgeting, etc. upon).
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I'm not disputing his numbers. I'm agreeing with you that the political climate won't let it happen.
Oh, and you still need to watch the video so you'll know what "it" is (which you clearly don't at this point).
I watched the entire video, and I understand the numbers came from the CBO. (I enjoyed the cute April 15 is a regular day graphic)
YOU were the one who said the CBO's numbers would never be put in place. I AGREE WITH YOU. YOU ARE TRYING TO ARGUE WITH SOMEONE THAT AGREES WITH YOU.
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I watched the entire video, and I understand the numbers came from the CBO. (I enjoyed the cute April 15 is a regular day graphic)
YOU were the one who said the CBO's numbers would never be put in place. I AGREE WITH YOU. YOU ARE TRYING TO ARGUE WITH SOMEONE THAT AGREES WITH YOU.
We don't agree at all. "Raising taxes", that is jacking up marginal rates in a desperate attempt to punish the successful, simply doesn't work. It never has and it never will:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.americanthinker.com%2Fblog%2FTax%2520Rates%2520and%2520Revenue.jpg&hash=b726543244a02df16f5224aadfcef24aaed2b963)
As useful public policy it's an utter failure. We don't have a tax or revenue problem, we have dual problems of over-spending and over-regulation. The only path out lies in slashing the amount of government, preferably to the bone, and leaving the resources it presently squanders in the private sector where they will be employed to the benefit of the people.
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Azcat, how do the "too big to fail" banks feel about slashing the amount of government?... It seems to me that these @$$holes are the ones driving the car over the cliff.
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I thought it would be obvious when I started the list, but I will spell it out. Government is a very inefficient and wasteful.
Any Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) should be able to understand the glaring problem, it's pretty obvious:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.usgovernmentspending.com%2Fusgs_line.php%3Ftitle%3DTotal+Spending%26amp%3Byear%3D1792_2010%26amp%3Bsname%3DUS%26amp%3Bunits%3Dp%26amp%3Bbar%3D0%26amp%3Bstack%3D1%26amp%3Bsize%3Dl%26amp%3Bcol%3Dc%26amp%3Bspending0%3D2.33_1.82_2.28_2.02_1.43_1.53_1.92_2.24_2.29_1.89_1.81_1.70_1.71_1.94_1.68_1.52_1.62_1.59_1.24_1.13_2.67_3.37_3.31_3.64_3.88_2.99_2.86_3.14_2.77_2.33_2.02_2.12_2.87_2.11_2.15_1.94_2.03_1.85_1.69_1.65_1.75_2.26_1.78_1.53_2.31_2.70_2.42_1.91_1.86_1.89_1.86_1.05_1.58_1.48_1.56_2.56_2.07_2.06_1.75_2.00_1.69_1.71_1.81_1.77_1.99_1.92_2.15_1.94_1.79_1.74_8.39_9.53_9.28_13.27_5.96_4.52_4.91_4.41_4.31_4.17_3.70_3.65_3.95_3.78_3.59_3.23_3.24_3.21_2.92_2.59_2.45_2.51_2.47_2.67_2.41_2.45_2.33_2.60_2.55_2.85_2.57_3.02_3.21_2.84_2.86_2.84_2.99_3.62_3.05_2.87_2.37_2.32_2.45_2.29_2.24_2.15_2.53_2.49_2.51_2.57_2.47_2.48_2.75_2.71_2.10_3.86_17.22_24.13_7.67_7.49_5.13_4.35_4.22_4.00_3.69_3.70_3.77_3.68_4.34_5.37_7.27_9.05_9.00_10.30_10.94_9.58_9.81_10.04_9.92_11.18_21.96_41.78_45.73_47.93_29.94_16.96_13.23_15.04_15.25_14.42_19.97_21.09_20.42_17.71_17.37_17.74_18.42_18.46_18.48_19.25_18.24_18.02_17.86_16.44_17.08_18.92_19.58_18.66_18.84_18.65_18.63_17.78_17.96_20.29_20.38_20.16_20.00_19.67_21.20_21.69_22.92_22.87_21.67_22.44_22.21_21.20_20.87_20.86_21.60_22.10_21.78_21.14_20.63_20.44_19.91_19.22_18.79_18.20_17.98_18.11_18.90_19.39_19.32_19.56_19.82_19.38_20.65_24.67_25.44%26amp%3Blegend%3D%26amp%3Bsource%3Da_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_i_i_i_i_i_i_i_i_i_i_a_i_i_i_i_i_i_i_i_a_i_i_i_i_a_i_i_i_i_a_i_a_i_a_i_a_i_a_i_a_i_a_i_a_i_a_i_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_b&hash=385339cce243c41096866a7998ee5990362d4be0)
Add in an additional what, 15% of GDP for imposed federal regulatory costs today versus essentially 0 for the first 150 or so years of the republic and it becomes even more clear: this is absolutely unsustainable. I give it a decade, maybe one and a half to complete economic collapse if nothing major is done.
I can't believe that in the 1940's and 1950's the federal government tried to totally screw us by building roads and bridges and a military to defeat the Nazi's. I wish they just would have butted out. I mean who even uses roads and bridges and the military anyway>
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Azcat, how do the "too big to fail" banks feel about slashing the amount of government?... It seems to me that these @$$holes are the ones driving the car over the cliff.
As bad as the bailouts were they, along with Obama's failed "stimulus" (state / union employee bailout), and the lefty economic boogeyman of the war on terror are mere temporary warts on the ass of the rising tide of federal spending:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.heritage.org%2Fbudgetchartbook%2FImages%2Ffederal-spending-hikes-not-temporary-600.jpg&hash=6b27286850b43c233e9c03fbe3d93c3f22fd08ee)
Shouldn't have happened but the bailout isn't a significant problem nor is it a long-term one.
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I thought it would be obvious when I started the list, but I will spell it out. Government is a very inefficient and wasteful.
Any Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) should be able to understand the glaring problem, it's pretty obvious:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.usgovernmentspending.com%2Fusgs_line.php%3Ftitle%3DTotal+Spending%26amp%3Byear%3D1792_2010%26amp%3Bsname%3DUS%26amp%3Bunits%3Dp%26amp%3Bbar%3D0%26amp%3Bstack%3D1%26amp%3Bsize%3Dl%26amp%3Bcol%3Dc%26amp%3Bspending0%3D2.33_1.82_2.28_2.02_1.43_1.53_1.92_2.24_2.29_1.89_1.81_1.70_1.71_1.94_1.68_1.52_1.62_1.59_1.24_1.13_2.67_3.37_3.31_3.64_3.88_2.99_2.86_3.14_2.77_2.33_2.02_2.12_2.87_2.11_2.15_1.94_2.03_1.85_1.69_1.65_1.75_2.26_1.78_1.53_2.31_2.70_2.42_1.91_1.86_1.89_1.86_1.05_1.58_1.48_1.56_2.56_2.07_2.06_1.75_2.00_1.69_1.71_1.81_1.77_1.99_1.92_2.15_1.94_1.79_1.74_8.39_9.53_9.28_13.27_5.96_4.52_4.91_4.41_4.31_4.17_3.70_3.65_3.95_3.78_3.59_3.23_3.24_3.21_2.92_2.59_2.45_2.51_2.47_2.67_2.41_2.45_2.33_2.60_2.55_2.85_2.57_3.02_3.21_2.84_2.86_2.84_2.99_3.62_3.05_2.87_2.37_2.32_2.45_2.29_2.24_2.15_2.53_2.49_2.51_2.57_2.47_2.48_2.75_2.71_2.10_3.86_17.22_24.13_7.67_7.49_5.13_4.35_4.22_4.00_3.69_3.70_3.77_3.68_4.34_5.37_7.27_9.05_9.00_10.30_10.94_9.58_9.81_10.04_9.92_11.18_21.96_41.78_45.73_47.93_29.94_16.96_13.23_15.04_15.25_14.42_19.97_21.09_20.42_17.71_17.37_17.74_18.42_18.46_18.48_19.25_18.24_18.02_17.86_16.44_17.08_18.92_19.58_18.66_18.84_18.65_18.63_17.78_17.96_20.29_20.38_20.16_20.00_19.67_21.20_21.69_22.92_22.87_21.67_22.44_22.21_21.20_20.87_20.86_21.60_22.10_21.78_21.14_20.63_20.44_19.91_19.22_18.79_18.20_17.98_18.11_18.90_19.39_19.32_19.56_19.82_19.38_20.65_24.67_25.44%26amp%3Blegend%3D%26amp%3Bsource%3Da_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_i_i_i_i_i_i_i_i_i_i_a_i_i_i_i_i_i_i_i_a_i_i_i_i_a_i_i_i_i_a_i_a_i_a_i_a_i_a_i_a_i_a_i_a_i_a_i_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_b&hash=385339cce243c41096866a7998ee5990362d4be0)
Add in an additional what, 15% of GDP for imposed federal regulatory costs today versus essentially 0 for the first 150 or so years of the republic and it becomes even more clear: this is absolutely unsustainable. I give it a decade, maybe one and a half to complete economic collapse if nothing major is done.
I can't believe that in the 1940's and 1950's the federal government tried to totally screw us by building roads and bridges and a military to defeat the Nazi's. I wish they just would have butted out. I mean who even uses roads and bridges and the military anyway>
You'll note that a curious thing happens after wars: war spending ends and overall outlays fall back towards pre-war norms. Happens with every war budget large enough to be visible on the spending curve. Try again.
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You are right it didn't cost anything to establish and maintain basis in Europe and Asia following WWII.
Defense spending in the 1930's was about was about 1.9 Billion a year.
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/year1935_0.html
in the 1940's it was 93.7 Billion
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/year1945_0.html
in the 1950's it was 47.2 Billion
so if you call a 45 billion dollar increase inn spending a return to pre-war levels you are right and i apologize for my ignorance.
oh yeah and we built those silly interstates that nobody uses too
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You are right it didn't cost anything to establish and maintain basis in Europe and Asia following WWII.
Defense spending in the 1930's was about was about 1.9 Billion a year.
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/year1935_0.html
in the 1940's it was 93.7 Billion
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/year1945_0.html
in the 1950's it was 47.2 Billion
so if you call a 45 billion dollar increase inn spending a return to pre-war levels you are right and i apologize for my ignorance.
oh yeah and we built those silly interstates that nobody uses too
Nice dodge but post-war rebuilding that ended a half-century ago has ZERO bearing on our present problems. Specifically: what post-war rebuilding spending do you think can be eliminated today in order to erase the present federal budget deficit? What post-war rebuilding spending can be eliminated to erase the federal debt? You'd better find an awful lot becuase entitlements, public employee pensions and interest on existing debt are about to double spending off present levels.
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If there's one thing big business loves to demonize but would hate to see go away, it's regulation.
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Dodge what? My intial post was in relation to the graph about spending as % of gdp and explained the large increase was due to the creation of an interstate highway system and the necessary increase in military spending.
Your response was that
"You'll note that a curious thing happens after wars: war spending ends and overall outlays fall back towards pre-war norms. Happens with every war budget large enough to be visible on the spending curve. Try again."
I noted that after WWII spending in no way fell back to pre-war norms, even though that budget is obviously large enough to be visible on the curve.
Also to say that "post-war rebuilding that ended a half-century ago has ZERO bearing on our present problems" is also misleading. As my initial point was stating WWII changed the fundamental size and nature of our military and as a resultant fact it's budget. Dwight Eisenhower expressed concern over the development of a "Military Industrial Complex" currently known spending is somewhere on the order of 663 billion dollars for this fiscal year. However when figuring in the DOD's "Black Budget" that number easily exceeds 700 billion dollars. This trend in spending began following WWI and continues to this day. It can be argued that this spending and that spent during the cold war created much of the debt we now hold and inherently the interest incurred.
Furthermore a large percentage of the pensioners and entitlements you speak of are a result of the increase in defense spending. Servicemen, reserves, CIA, FBI, Coast Guard, NSA and other agencies make up over half of government workers in this nation. Now if you want to call servicepeople heroes in times of war and cut their benefits for ensuring your freedom in times of peace you will truly pass the test of being a Republican.
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I watched the entire video, and I understand the numbers came from the CBO. (I enjoyed the cute April 15 is a regular day graphic)
YOU were the one who said the CBO's numbers would never be put in place. I AGREE WITH YOU. YOU ARE TRYING TO ARGUE WITH SOMEONE THAT AGREES WITH YOU.
We don't agree at all. "Raising taxes", that is jacking up marginal rates in a desperate attempt to punish the successful, simply doesn't work. It never has and it never will:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.americanthinker.com%2Fblog%2FTax%2520Rates%2520and%2520Revenue.jpg&hash=b726543244a02df16f5224aadfcef24aaed2b963)
As useful public policy it's an utter failure. We don't have a tax or revenue problem, we have dual problems of over-spending and over-regulation. The only path out lies in slashing the amount of government, preferably to the bone, and leaving the resources it presently squanders in the private sector where they will be employed to the benefit of the people.
Graph is crap because the scale is crap. Revenue after Bush tax cuts went down. alot.
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I watched the entire video, and I understand the numbers came from the CBO. (I enjoyed the cute April 15 is a regular day graphic)
YOU were the one who said the CBO's numbers would never be put in place. I AGREE WITH YOU. YOU ARE TRYING TO ARGUE WITH SOMEONE THAT AGREES WITH YOU.
We don't agree at all. "Raising taxes", that is jacking up marginal rates in a desperate attempt to punish the successful, simply doesn't work. It never has and it never will:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.americanthinker.com%2Fblog%2FTax%2520Rates%2520and%2520Revenue.jpg&hash=b726543244a02df16f5224aadfcef24aaed2b963)
As useful public policy it's an utter failure. We don't have a tax or revenue problem, we have dual problems of over-spending and over-regulation. The only path out lies in slashing the amount of government, preferably to the bone, and leaving the resources it presently squanders in the private sector where they will be employed to the benefit of the people.
Graph is crap because the scale is crap. Revenue after Bush tax cuts dotcom bubble, 9/11, Enron and Worldcom fiascos went down. alot. went back up after all that was sorted out
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Azcat you dodge'n me?
I'll try again.
Dodge what? My intial post was in relation to the graph about spending as % of gdp and explained the large increase was due to the creation of an interstate highway system and the necessary increase in military spending.
Your response was that
"You'll note that a curious thing happens after wars: war spending ends and overall outlays fall back towards pre-war norms. Happens with every war budget large enough to be visible on the spending curve. Try again."
I noted that after WWII spending in no way fell back to pre-war norms, even though that budget is obviously large enough to be visible on the curve.
Also to say that "post-war rebuilding that ended a half-century ago has ZERO bearing on our present problems" is also misleading. As my initial point was stating WWII changed the fundamental size and nature of our military and as a resultant fact it's budget. Dwight Eisenhower expressed concern over the development of a "Military Industrial Complex" currently known spending is somewhere on the order of 663 billion dollars for this fiscal year. However when figuring in the DOD's "Black Budget" that number easily exceeds 700 billion dollars. This trend in spending began following WWI and continues to this day. It can be argued that this spending and that spent during the cold war created much of the debt we now hold and inherently the interest incurred.
Furthermore a large percentage of the pensioners and entitlements you speak of are a result of the increase in defense spending. Servicemen, reserves, CIA, FBI, Coast Guard, NSA and other agencies make up over half of government workers in this nation. Now if you want to call servicepeople heroes in times of war and cut their benefits for ensuring your freedom in times of peace you will truly pass the test of being a Republican.
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the "Military Industrial Complex" was a gigantic step for the jooz... :eek: