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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: WildcatNkilt on October 08, 2010, 08:52:33 AM
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Couldn't even hit the endzone
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It's obvious our quarterback situation is why we couldn't move the ball after the first 2 series
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Coach Old Balls has a stronger arm that Coffey. That was full of suck with a side of ass crust.
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It's obvious our quarterback situation is why we couldn't move the ball after the first 2 series
No it's not. The play calling was "DT up the middle, DT to the side, 5 yard pass play, punt"
OB refuses to change his predetermined gameplan.
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It's obvious our quarterback situation is why we couldn't move the ball after the first 2 series
No it's not. The play calling was "DT up the middle, DT to the side, 5 yard pass play, punt"
OB refuses to change his predetermined gameplan.
So you're saying stubbornness comes with age?
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It's obvious our quarterback situation is why we couldn't move the ball after the first 2 series
No it's not. The play calling was "DT up the middle, DT to the side, 5 yard pass play, punt"
OB refuses to change his predetermined gameplan.
So you're saying stubbornness comes with age?
Ding ding ding
71 year old coaches are only ok if they have a young coaching staff around them that does everything.
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It's obvious our quarterback situation is why we couldn't move the ball after the first 2 series
We got manhandled up front (again). NU didn't even really put 8 in the box. We could not sustain blocks against NU's front. This was maybe the most disappointing aspect of the game for me, even more so than Martinez clowning our defense. The gameplan was the right one, we spread NU out and tried to run some power football and zone right at NU's front 6/7 and we failed miserably. Really, really disappointing.
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It's obvious our quarterback situation is why we couldn't move the ball after the first 2 series
No it's not. The play calling was "DT up the middle, DT to the side, 5 yard pass play, punt"
OB refuses to change his predetermined gameplan.
Actually, we were much more creative than this. Creative enough to move the ball between the 30s.
This was a simple athletic mismatch. No gameplan was going to get a W last night dude
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It's obvious our quarterback situation is why we couldn't move the ball after the first 2 series
No it's not. The play calling was "DT up the middle, DT to the side, 5 yard pass play, punt"
OB refuses to change his predetermined gameplan.
Actually, we were much more creative than this. Creative enough to move the ball between the 30s.
This was a simple athletic mismatch. No gameplan was going to get a W last night dude
Why suit up, then? OB got outcoached.
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It's obvious our quarterback situation is why we couldn't move the ball after the first 2 series
No it's not. The play calling was "DT up the middle, DT to the side, 5 yard pass play, punt"
OB refuses to change his predetermined gameplan.
Actually, we were much more creative than this. Creative enough to move the ball between the 30s.
This was a simple athletic mismatch. No gameplan was going to get a W last night dude
There goes the "coach 'em up" strategy. The Shirt Tucks will be angry.
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I totally agree with _FAN's assessment. Our O-line got worked badly. Our 5(or 6) linemen couldn't defeat their front 4(sometimes 5) guys. Thus there was really nothing we could do. That kind of D-line play completely negates the power run game. It also kills any speed or misdirection run game because the guys behind them can stay home and then attack once the play is finally moving.
The defense was the real sad part. The exact opposite thing happened there. Their front 5 completely whipped our front 7...there's no over-stating it. On top of that, our safeties made bad reads and took bad angles and we all saw what happened.
The offensive struggles were not really the fault of the scheme. We couldn't stretch the D because the QB is crap. We couldn't power it because the line in crap. If you can't do either of those then you have nothing to build your offense on.
The defensive problems were a huge cluster-eff of poor preparation, bad schemes and out-manned players.
The waters aren't calm, Bill.
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It's obvious our quarterback situation is why we couldn't move the ball after the first 2 series
No it's not. The play calling was "DT up the middle, DT to the side, 5 yard pass play, punt"
OB refuses to change his predetermined gameplan.
Actually, we were much more creative than this. Creative enough to move the ball between the 30s.
This was a simple athletic mismatch. No gameplan was going to get a W last night dude
We were more creative than this for the first 2-3 possessions. When we weren't scoring, you could tell Snyder was like eff it and went back to his DT up the middle, DT to the side, 5 yard pass(very often incomplete), punt.
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It's obvious our quarterback situation is why we couldn't move the ball after the first 2 series
No it's not. The play calling was "DT up the middle, DT to the side, 5 yard pass play, punt"
OB refuses to change his predetermined gameplan.
Why do you think those plays weren't working? Do you think it's maybe because they aren't scared of Coffman's arm AT ALL? Geezus, if there is no threat throwing the ball, then obviously that kind of play calling isn't going to work. Let me ask you a question, did you enjoy it when Coffman was throwing the ball in the dirt or putting it in places that made it impossible to gain any yards after catch?
Also, what _fan said. Their d-line was better than our o-line. Makes it hard to execute anything really.
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I totally agree with _FAN's assessment. Our O-line got worked badly. Our 5(or 6) linemen couldn't defeat their front 4(sometimes 5) guys. Thus there was really nothing we could do. That kind of D-line play completely negates the power run game. It also kills any speed or misdirection run game because the guys behind them can stay home and then attack once the play is finally moving.
The defense was the real sad part. The exact opposite thing happened there. Their front 5 completely whipped our front 7...there's no over-stating it. On top of that, our safeties made bad reads and took bad angles and we all saw what happened.
The offensive struggles were not really the fault of the scheme. We couldn't stretch the D because the QB is crap. We couldn't power it because the line in crap. If you can't do either of those then you have nothing to build your offense on.
The defensive problems were a huge cluster-foooock of poor preparation, bad schemes and out-manned players.
The waters aren't calm, Bill.
I know it sounds ridiculous, but if anything on defense I think we overprepared. This is not uncommon, especially when you know you have deficiencies, which we do. I really think had we ran the same scheme we did the first 4 weeks, we probably hold NU to 28-35 points. Granted, its still bad, but it wouldn't have been the complete woodshed we saw last night. JMHO.
The thing I notices offensively is that so often NU would get penetration at the point of attack. When we would run power offense and pull offensive lineman, they would often have to back track 1 to 2 yards behind the LOS which completely defeats the purpose, especially against NU's speed. We ran a ton of cut back zone plays, but NU closed so quickly on the backside and the seam was so narrow DT couldn't find a crease. Then when he tried to cut between Olineman, NU would get off blocks and close. Plus we had some of the tightest offensive line splits I've seen from a Snyder team, but mainly on the cutback and power offense plays. I think we thought we could prevent penetration with these splits, but it also allows for fewer creases for DT to find in the defense.
I agree though, very few differences we could've created on offense with our personnel. The real cluster was the problems on defense. I know its powertardish, but many of those can be fixed, especially against the rest of our schedule. JMHO.
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It's obvious our quarterback situation is why we couldn't move the ball after the first 2 series
No it's not. The play calling was "DT up the middle, DT to the side, 5 yard pass play, punt"
OB refuses to change his predetermined gameplan.
Actually, we were much more creative than this. Creative enough to move the ball between the 30s.
This was a simple athletic mismatch. No gameplan was going to get a W last night dude
Why suit up, then? OB got outcoached.
He did. What's your point. None of knew it was going to be that bad. I was thinking it would be bad, not that bad.
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No it's not. The play calling was "DT up the middle, DT to the side, 5 yard pass play, punt"
OB refuses to change his predetermined gameplan.
Have you ever seen an OB team before? Serious question. :users:
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we should have run more in between the tackles. the outside crap wasn't going to happen.
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No it's not. The play calling was "DT up the middle, DT to the side, 5 yard pass play, punt"
OB refuses to change his predetermined gameplan.
Have you ever seen an OB team before? Serious question. :users:
That's the point. He is unwilling to adapt, and he doesn't have the players like he used to.
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I totally agree with _FAN's assessment. Our O-line got worked badly. Our 5(or 6) linemen couldn't defeat their front 4(sometimes 5) guys. Thus there was really nothing we could do. That kind of D-line play completely negates the power run game. It also kills any speed or misdirection run game because the guys behind them can stay home and then attack once the play is finally moving.
The defense was the real sad part. The exact opposite thing happened there. Their front 5 completely whipped our front 7...there's no over-stating it. On top of that, our safeties made bad reads and took bad angles and we all saw what happened.
The offensive struggles were not really the fault of the scheme. We couldn't stretch the D because the QB is crap. We couldn't power it because the line in crap. If you can't do either of those then you have nothing to build your offense on.
The defensive problems were a huge cluster-foooock of poor preparation, bad schemes and out-manned players.
The waters aren't calm, Bill.
I know it sounds ridiculous, but if anything on defense I think we overprepared. This is not uncommon, especially when you know you have deficiencies, which we do. I really think had we ran the same scheme we did the first 4 weeks, we probably hold NU to 28-35 points. Granted, its still bad, but it wouldn't have been the complete woodshed we saw last night. JMHO.
The thing I notices offensively is that so often NU would get penetration at the point of attack. When we would run power offense and pull offensive lineman, they would often have to back track 1 to 2 yards behind the LOS which completely defeats the purpose, especially against NU's speed. We ran a ton of cut back zone plays, but NU closed so quickly on the backside and the seam was so narrow DT couldn't find a crease. Then when he tried to cut between Olineman, NU would get off blocks and close. Plus we had some of the tightest offensive line splits I've seen from a Snyder team, but mainly on the cutback and power offense plays. I think we thought we could prevent penetration with these splits, but it also allows for fewer creases for DT to find in the defense.
I agree though, very few differences we could've created on offense with our personnel. The real cluster was the problems on defense. I know its powertardish, but many of those can be fixed, especially against the rest of our schedule. JMHO.
Someone in Tardsville was saying OB hasn't won a conference game coming off a bye week since '98. True? Also relevant, I suppose, would be how many conference games we've played following a bye in that time span, since we rarely have them...
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No it's not. The play calling was "DT up the middle, DT to the side, 5 yard pass play, punt"
OB refuses to change his predetermined gameplan.
Have you ever seen an OB team before? Serious question. :users:
That's the point. He is unwilling to adapt, and he doesn't have the players like he used to.
To be fair: he has better players at this point, particularly on the OL, than he did during OB 1.0. What he doesn't have is anything like the coaching talent he had around him then. Players come and go but crappy otherwise unemployable assistants merely accumulate on an OB staff. The gameplan is what it has always been.
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I totally agree with _FAN's assessment. Our O-line got worked badly. Our 5(or 6) linemen couldn't defeat their front 4(sometimes 5) guys. Thus there was really nothing we could do. That kind of D-line play completely negates the power run game. It also kills any speed or misdirection run game because the guys behind them can stay home and then attack once the play is finally moving.
The defense was the real sad part. The exact opposite thing happened there. Their front 5 completely whipped our front 7...there's no over-stating it. On top of that, our safeties made bad reads and took bad angles and we all saw what happened.
The offensive struggles were not really the fault of the scheme. We couldn't stretch the D because the QB is crap. We couldn't power it because the line in crap. If you can't do either of those then you have nothing to build your offense on.
The defensive problems were a huge cluster-foooock of poor preparation, bad schemes and out-manned players.
The waters aren't calm, Bill.
I know it sounds ridiculous, but if anything on defense I think we overprepared. This is not uncommon, especially when you know you have deficiencies, which we do. I really think had we ran the same scheme we did the first 4 weeks, we probably hold NU to 28-35 points. Granted, its still bad, but it wouldn't have been the complete woodshed we saw last night. JMHO.
The thing I notices offensively is that so often NU would get penetration at the point of attack. When we would run power offense and pull offensive lineman, they would often have to back track 1 to 2 yards behind the LOS which completely defeats the purpose, especially against NU's speed. We ran a ton of cut back zone plays, but NU closed so quickly on the backside and the seam was so narrow DT couldn't find a crease. Then when he tried to cut between Olineman, NU would get off blocks and close. Plus we had some of the tightest offensive line splits I've seen from a Snyder team, but mainly on the cutback and power offense plays. I think we thought we could prevent penetration with these splits, but it also allows for fewer creases for DT to find in the defense.
I agree though, very few differences we could've created on offense with our personnel. The real cluster was the problems on defense. I know its powertardish, but many of those can be fixed, especially against the rest of our schedule. JMHO.
Someone in Tardsville was saying OB hasn't won a conference game coming off a bye week since '98. True? Also relevant, I suppose, would be how many conference games we've played following a bye in that time span, since we rarely have them...
I know 2002 Colorado and 2003 Texas were off byes.
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I totally agree with _FAN's assessment. Our O-line got worked badly. Our 5(or 6) linemen couldn't defeat their front 4(sometimes 5) guys. Thus there was really nothing we could do. That kind of D-line play completely negates the power run game. It also kills any speed or misdirection run game because the guys behind them can stay home and then attack once the play is finally moving.
The defense was the real sad part. The exact opposite thing happened there. Their front 5 completely whipped our front 7...there's no over-stating it. On top of that, our safeties made bad reads and took bad angles and we all saw what happened.
The offensive struggles were not really the fault of the scheme. We couldn't stretch the D because the QB is crap. We couldn't power it because the line in crap. If you can't do either of those then you have nothing to build your offense on.
The defensive problems were a huge cluster-foooock of poor preparation, bad schemes and out-manned players.
The waters aren't calm, Bill.
I know it sounds ridiculous, but if anything on defense I think we overprepared. This is not uncommon, especially when you know you have deficiencies, which we do. I really think had we ran the same scheme we did the first 4 weeks, we probably hold NU to 28-35 points. Granted, its still bad, but it wouldn't have been the complete woodshed we saw last night. JMHO.
The thing I notices offensively is that so often NU would get penetration at the point of attack. When we would run power offense and pull offensive lineman, they would often have to back track 1 to 2 yards behind the LOS which completely defeats the purpose, especially against NU's speed. We ran a ton of cut back zone plays, but NU closed so quickly on the backside and the seam was so narrow DT couldn't find a crease. Then when he tried to cut between Olineman, NU would get off blocks and close. Plus we had some of the tightest offensive line splits I've seen from a Snyder team, but mainly on the cutback and power offense plays. I think we thought we could prevent penetration with these splits, but it also allows for fewer creases for DT to find in the defense.
I agree though, very few differences we could've created on offense with our personnel. The real cluster was the problems on defense. I know its powertardish, but many of those can be fixed, especially against the rest of our schedule. JMHO.
Someone in Tardsville was saying OB hasn't won a conference game coming off a bye week since '98. True? Also relevant, I suppose, would be how many conference games we've played following a bye in that time span, since we rarely have them...
2002 Colorado
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It's obvious our quarterback situation is why we couldn't move the ball after the first 2 series
No it's not. The play calling was "DT up the middle, DT to the side, 5 yard pass play, punt"
OB refuses to change his predetermined gameplan.
Actually, we were much more creative than this. Creative enough to move the ball between the 30s.
This was a simple athletic mismatch. No gameplan was going to get a W last night dude
Not even a scheme that put a spy on Martinez so he couldn't run 80+ yards at will?
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The only LB that could remotely come close to 'spying' Martinez is Josh Buhl, and he ain't walking through that door.
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It's obvious our quarterback situation is why we couldn't move the ball after the first 2 series
We got manhandled up front (again). NU didn't even really put 8 in the box. We could not sustain blocks against NU's front. This was maybe the most disappointing aspect of the game for me, even more so than Martinez clowning our defense. The gameplan was the right one, we spread NU out and tried to run some power football and zone right at NU's front 6/7 and we failed miserably. Really, really disappointing.
This.
The line play has reminded me of the Fresno St. fiasco here. We get manhandled and play intimidated. Embarrassing. The lack of quickness on the OL probably factored into the tight splits but that plays against one of DT's major strengths. Add to that the apparent inability to lock onto the block and running anything between 1-5 or 2-6 is essentially eliminated.
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It's obvious our quarterback situation is why we couldn't move the ball after the first 2 series
No it's not. The play calling was "DT up the middle, DT to the side, 5 yard pass play, punt"
OB refuses to change his predetermined gameplan.
Actually, we were much more creative than this. Creative enough to move the ball between the 30s.
This was a simple athletic mismatch. No gameplan was going to get a W last night dude
Not even a scheme that put a spy on Martinez so he couldn't run 80+ yards at will?
We schemed a spy (Lamur) on Martinez several times, and Martinez still broke off long runs.
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It's obvious our quarterback situation is why we couldn't move the ball after the first 2 series
No it's not. The play calling was "DT up the middle, DT to the side, 5 yard pass play, punt"
OB refuses to change his predetermined gameplan.
Actually, we were much more creative than this. Creative enough to move the ball between the 30s.
This was a simple athletic mismatch. No gameplan was going to get a W last night dude
Not even a scheme that put a spy on Martinez so he couldn't run 80+ yards at will?
We schemed a spy (Lamur) on Martinez several times, and Martinez still broke off long runs.
That's because Lamur is a QB, not an LB. Duh. :facepalm:
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It's obvious our quarterback situation is why we couldn't move the ball after the first 2 series
No it's not. The play calling was "DT up the middle, DT to the side, 5 yard pass play, punt"
OB refuses to change his predetermined gameplan.
Actually, we were much more creative than this. Creative enough to move the ball between the 30s.
This was a simple athletic mismatch. No gameplan was going to get a W last night dude
Not even a scheme that put a spy on Martinez so he couldn't run 80+ yards at will?
We schemed a spy (Lamur) on Martinez several times, and Martinez still broke off long runs.
That's because Lamur is a QB, not an LB. Duh. :facepalm:
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