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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: ZmoneyKSU on September 26, 2010, 07:27:28 PM
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Let's see how much we all really believe in CC? Thought hard about having "Before opening Kick Off" but I figured Carson had done enough to deserve a little more than that.
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Where's the "Never, I have seen our backups play" option?
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Where's the "Never, I have seen our backups play" option?
that's pretty much the same as the CC train option
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If Coffman wasn't pulled against UCF, he's not gonna be pulled.
If it starts to get ugly, I'm just gonna close my eyes and think about Tuggle and Sams.
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I don't want him pulled because there is no better option. That doesn't mean I can't wish he wasn't our best option.
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Where is the "can we pull him now?" option?
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Should be pretty obvious that no matter how upset we are with CC making a mistake at this point, it's not worthing pulling him. Clearly our backups aren't any better. Shouldn't play them unless CC is injured.
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Loved watching the South Carolina game and how quickly Spurrier gets pissed and yanks his starting QB. How long do you think it would take Spurrier to pull CCQ? I say about 44 seconds.
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Loved watching the South Carolina game and how quickly Spurrier gets pissed and yanks his starting QB. How long do you think it would take Spurrier to pull CCQ? I say about 44 seconds.
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Spurrier would have yanked CC's scholarship and landed one of the stud QB's we missed on. It is not that hard to do people.
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If/when we're up 17+ in the fourth, I'm fine with Bill sending Klein in so we can keep from getting Coffman hurt.
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the only way i could see cc getting pulled is if he were to turn around before a snap and kick dt square in the niblets.
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Let's see how much we all really believe in CC? Thought hard about having "Before opening Kick Off" but I figured Carson had done enough to deserve a little more than that.
There aren't any personnel changes we can make that will make a difference in that game. Either we're going to be able to run the ball, or we're going to get killed. Either we convert the set of trick plays we're going to use to try and score against their defense, or we're going to get killed. Either we win in the turnover margin by at least one or two takeaways, or we're going to get killed.
This game is going to either be really, really ugly for us, or it's going to be a game like Texas in 2006 where every freaking rabbit we pull out of the hat works. I don't think there's going to be much in between.
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Let's see how much we all really believe in CC? Thought hard about having "Before opening Kick Off" but I figured Carson had done enough to deserve a little more than that.
There aren't any personnel changes we can make that will make a difference in that game. Either we're going to be able to run the ball, or we're going to get killed. Either we convert the set of trick plays we're going to use to try and score against their defense, or we're going to get killed. Either we win in the turnover margin by at least one or two takeaways, or we're going to get killed.
This game is going to either be really, really ugly for us, or it's going to be a game like Texas in 2006 where every freaking rabbit we pull out of the hat works. I don't think there's going to be much in between.
:goodbyecruelworld:
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Let's see how much we all really believe in CC? Thought hard about having "Before opening Kick Off" but I figured Carson had done enough to deserve a little more than that.
There aren't any personnel changes we can make that will make a difference in that game. Either we're going to be able to run the ball, or we're going to get killed. Either we convert the set of trick plays we're going to use to try and score against their defense, or we're going to get killed. Either we win in the turnover margin by at least one or two takeaways, or we're going to get killed.
This game is going to either be really, really ugly for us, or it's going to be a game like Texas in 2006 where every freaking rabbit we pull out of the hat works. I don't think there's going to be much in between.
why do you think there's not going to be much in between? basically every game kstate has played in the last year and a half has been "in between", including the nebraska game in lincoln last year.
do you think nebraska is that much better than they were last year or kstate is that much worse than last year. both? cause i'll be honest, i think the teams are pretty similar to their 2009 versions and kstate didn't do any of the things you listed above and the game was in lincoln and kstate didn't get "killed".
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Let's see how much we all really believe in CC? Thought hard about having "Before opening Kick Off" but I figured Carson had done enough to deserve a little more than that.
There aren't any personnel changes we can make that will make a difference in that game. Either we're going to be able to run the ball, or we're going to get killed. Either we convert the set of trick plays we're going to use to try and score against their defense, or we're going to get killed. Either we win in the turnover margin by at least one or two takeaways, or we're going to get killed.
This game is going to either be really, really ugly for us, or it's going to be a game like Texas in 2006 where every freaking rabbit we pull out of the hat works. I don't think there's going to be much in between.
why do you think there's not going to be much in between? basically every game kstate has played in the last year and a half has been "in between", including the nebraska game in lincoln last year.
do you think nebraska is that much better than they were last year or kstate is that much worse than last year. both? cause i'll be honest, i think the teams are pretty similar to their 2009 versions and kstate didn't do any of the things you listed above and the game was in lincoln and kstate didn't get "killed".
I think Nebraska is better, offensively, and I think K-State is worse, defensively. Nebraska is currently doing very well in one phase of the game (rush offense - #5 in the nation) that K-State is horrible at (rush defense - #100 in the nation). Also, K-State's Achilles heel on offense - passing (#100 pass offense), is also Nebraska's greatest strength - #1 rated pass efficiency defense in the nation, #3 overall pass defense.
So NU has the ability to run the football against KSU, especially since their specialty, the QB run game, has gashed this defense time and time again, and they have the ability to make KSU one dimensional. To me, that doesn't really seem like a good combination. It may be a pretty rudimentary assessment on my part, but when the other team has a better defense and a better overall rushing attack (especially when you suck at defending the run), it could get ugly for you unless you get lucky.
And after Saturday, I'm not sure how much luck we could possibly have left. We probably used almost all of it already.
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Let's see how much we all really believe in CC? Thought hard about having "Before opening Kick Off" but I figured Carson had done enough to deserve a little more than that.
There aren't any personnel changes we can make that will make a difference in that game. Either we're going to be able to run the ball, or we're going to get killed. Either we convert the set of trick plays we're going to use to try and score against their defense, or we're going to get killed. Either we win in the turnover margin by at least one or two takeaways, or we're going to get killed.
This game is going to either be really, really ugly for us, or it's going to be a game like Texas in 2006 where every freaking rabbit we pull out of the hat works. I don't think there's going to be much in between.
why do you think there's not going to be much in between? basically every game kstate has played in the last year and a half has been "in between", including the nebraska game in lincoln last year.
do you think nebraska is that much better than they were last year or kstate is that much worse than last year. both? cause i'll be honest, i think the teams are pretty similar to their 2009 versions and kstate didn't do any of the things you listed above and the game was in lincoln and kstate didn't get "killed".
QFT
We each lost our best player. NU has to replace Suh, we have to replace Gregory.
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Let's see how much we all really believe in CC? Thought hard about having "Before opening Kick Off" but I figured Carson had done enough to deserve a little more than that.
There aren't any personnel changes we can make that will make a difference in that game. Either we're going to be able to run the ball, or we're going to get killed. Either we convert the set of trick plays we're going to use to try and score against their defense, or we're going to get killed. Either we win in the turnover margin by at least one or two takeaways, or we're going to get killed.
This game is going to either be really, really ugly for us, or it's going to be a game like Texas in 2006 where every freaking rabbit we pull out of the hat works. I don't think there's going to be much in between.
why do you think there's not going to be much in between? basically every game kstate has played in the last year and a half has been "in between", including the nebraska game in lincoln last year.
do you think nebraska is that much better than they were last year or kstate is that much worse than last year. both? cause i'll be honest, i think the teams are pretty similar to their 2009 versions and kstate didn't do any of the things you listed above and the game was in lincoln and kstate didn't get "killed".
I think Nebraska is better, offensively, and I think K-State is worse, defensively.
So NU has the ability to run the football against KSU, especially since their specialty, the QB run game, has gashed this defense time and time again,
i think kstate is better, offensively, and i think nebraska is worse, defensively.
also, which multiple qb run games gashing the defense time and time again are you referring to? arnaud rushed 13 times for 39 yds and no tds. prince (ucla) rushed 12 times for 31 yds (2.6 avg) against ksu and 13 times for 50 yds (3.8 avg) against texas. central florida scored 13 points. what am i missing?
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Let's see how much we all really believe in CC? Thought hard about having "Before opening Kick Off" but I figured Carson had done enough to deserve a little more than that.
There aren't any personnel changes we can make that will make a difference in that game. Either we're going to be able to run the ball, or we're going to get killed. Either we convert the set of trick plays we're going to use to try and score against their defense, or we're going to get killed. Either we win in the turnover margin by at least one or two takeaways, or we're going to get killed.
This game is going to either be really, really ugly for us, or it's going to be a game like Texas in 2006 where every freaking rabbit we pull out of the hat works. I don't think there's going to be much in between.
why do you think there's not going to be much in between? basically every game kstate has played in the last year and a half has been "in between", including the nebraska game in lincoln last year.
do you think nebraska is that much better than they were last year or kstate is that much worse than last year. both? cause i'll be honest, i think the teams are pretty similar to their 2009 versions and kstate didn't do any of the things you listed above and the game was in lincoln and kstate didn't get "killed".
I think Nebraska is better, offensively, and I think K-State is worse, defensively.
So NU has the ability to run the football against KSU, especially since their specialty, the QB run game, has gashed this defense time and time again,
i think kstate is better, offensively, and i think nebraska is worse, defensively.
also, which multiple qb run games gashing the defense time and time again are you referring to? arnaud rushed 13 times for 39 yds and no tds. prince (ucla) rushed 12 times for 31 yds (2.6 avg) against ksu and 13 times for 50 yds (3.8 avg) against texas. central florida scored 13 points. what am i missing?
If nebraska has the success that UCF and their qb had against us on the ground, they are going to score 35, not 13.
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Let's see how much we all really believe in CC? Thought hard about having "Before opening Kick Off" but I figured Carson had done enough to deserve a little more than that.
There aren't any personnel changes we can make that will make a difference in that game. Either we're going to be able to run the ball, or we're going to get killed. Either we convert the set of trick plays we're going to use to try and score against their defense, or we're going to get killed. Either we win in the turnover margin by at least one or two takeaways, or we're going to get killed.
This game is going to either be really, really ugly for us, or it's going to be a game like Texas in 2006 where every freaking rabbit we pull out of the hat works. I don't think there's going to be much in between.
why do you think there's not going to be much in between? basically every game kstate has played in the last year and a half has been "in between", including the nebraska game in lincoln last year.
do you think nebraska is that much better than they were last year or kstate is that much worse than last year. both? cause i'll be honest, i think the teams are pretty similar to their 2009 versions and kstate didn't do any of the things you listed above and the game was in lincoln and kstate didn't get "killed".
I think Nebraska is better, offensively, and I think K-State is worse, defensively.
So NU has the ability to run the football against KSU, especially since their specialty, the QB run game, has gashed this defense time and time again,
i think kstate is better, offensively, and i think nebraska is worse, defensively.
also, which multiple qb run games gashing the defense time and time again are you referring to? arnaud rushed 13 times for 39 yds and no tds. prince (ucla) rushed 12 times for 31 yds (2.6 avg) against ksu and 13 times for 50 yds (3.8 avg) against texas. central florida scored 13 points. what am i missing?
If nebraska has the success that UCF and their qb had against us on the ground, they are going to score 35, not 13.
if ksu has the kind of success against the nebraska offense that the last team they played had against them, they are going to score 3, not 17. see, we could do this all day. seriously. i have the time....
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Let's see how much we all really believe in CC? Thought hard about having "Before opening Kick Off" but I figured Carson had done enough to deserve a little more than that.
There aren't any personnel changes we can make that will make a difference in that game. Either we're going to be able to run the ball, or we're going to get killed. Either we convert the set of trick plays we're going to use to try and score against their defense, or we're going to get killed. Either we win in the turnover margin by at least one or two takeaways, or we're going to get killed.
This game is going to either be really, really ugly for us, or it's going to be a game like Texas in 2006 where every freaking rabbit we pull out of the hat works. I don't think there's going to be much in between.
why do you think there's not going to be much in between? basically every game kstate has played in the last year and a half has been "in between", including the nebraska game in lincoln last year.
do you think nebraska is that much better than they were last year or kstate is that much worse than last year. both? cause i'll be honest, i think the teams are pretty similar to their 2009 versions and kstate didn't do any of the things you listed above and the game was in lincoln and kstate didn't get "killed".
I think Nebraska is better, offensively, and I think K-State is worse, defensively.
So NU has the ability to run the football against KSU, especially since their specialty, the QB run game, has gashed this defense time and time again,
i think kstate is better, offensively, and i think nebraska is worse, defensively.
also, which multiple qb run games gashing the defense time and time again are you referring to? arnaud rushed 13 times for 39 yds and no tds. prince (ucla) rushed 12 times for 31 yds (2.6 avg) against ksu and 13 times for 50 yds (3.8 avg) against texas. central florida scored 13 points. what am i missing?
If nebraska has the success that UCF and their qb had against us on the ground, they are going to score 35, not 13.
if we have the kind of success against the nebraska offense that the last team they played had against them, they are going to score 3, not 17. see, we could do this all day. seriously. i have the time....
Do you honestly think our defense will not give up long qb runs off the zone read all game long? Not saying you're wrong if that's what you think. Just would be mildly shocked.
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IMO, this game loses a lot of its luster without the pivotal Suh-Gregory chess match we saw last year. Gonna be tough to top that.
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Martinez played like nails against Washington. Then, against their FCS opponent, he looked like the shaky, nervous, crap down your leg freshman who was locked in a qb battle prior to the season. Hell, he got yanked against South Dakota State. He's got talent and he'll be a good quarterback, but right now, he's playing with that classic freshman inconsistency.
He's going to rip off a few 30 yarders, probably one on third and long, but he'll throw a pic and fumble a couple times too. Bank on it.
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Let's see how much we all really believe in CC? Thought hard about having "Before opening Kick Off" but I figured Carson had done enough to deserve a little more than that.
There aren't any personnel changes we can make that will make a difference in that game. Either we're going to be able to run the ball, or we're going to get killed. Either we convert the set of trick plays we're going to use to try and score against their defense, or we're going to get killed. Either we win in the turnover margin by at least one or two takeaways, or we're going to get killed.
This game is going to either be really, really ugly for us, or it's going to be a game like Texas in 2006 where every freaking rabbit we pull out of the hat works. I don't think there's going to be much in between.
why do you think there's not going to be much in between? basically every game kstate has played in the last year and a half has been "in between", including the nebraska game in lincoln last year.
do you think nebraska is that much better than they were last year or kstate is that much worse than last year. both? cause i'll be honest, i think the teams are pretty similar to their 2009 versions and kstate didn't do any of the things you listed above and the game was in lincoln and kstate didn't get "killed".
I think Nebraska is better, offensively, and I think K-State is worse, defensively.
So NU has the ability to run the football against KSU, especially since their specialty, the QB run game, has gashed this defense time and time again,
i think kstate is better, offensively, and i think nebraska is worse, defensively.
also, which multiple qb run games gashing the defense time and time again are you referring to? arnaud rushed 13 times for 39 yds and no tds. prince (ucla) rushed 12 times for 31 yds (2.6 avg) against ksu and 13 times for 50 yds (3.8 avg) against texas. central florida scored 13 points. what am i missing?
The threat of the QB run changes the dynamic of the defense and how they play. In those games, KSU has given up at least 170 on the ground. While the QBs themselves didn't rack up a ton of yards (save Godfrey), the running backs did.
Maybe it isn't the QB run game that hurts KSU; I don't know. Regardless, they didn't end up #100 in the nation in rushing by choice.
Ultimately, this game is going to be decided by who can run the football better. NU has Martinez and Helu Jr. KSU has Thomas. KSU is #100 in the nation in run defense and just gave up 250+ on the ground to UCF. They were a good team, but you know, that's not good regardless of who you play. NU gave up 140+ in three of their four games. So, yeah, I think these teams are probably similar in terms of strength's/weaknesses. However, given that NU has two threats to run and KSU only has one (in the game at a time), I give the advantage to NU.
And Carson will have to have the game of his life if he wants to come close to what he had against UCF on Saturday (which was probably the game of his life thus far).
Simply, my fear is this...we know that Martinez can be shaken. But will KSU even have the chance to force him into making mistakes if Nebraska can simply jam the ball down their throats? Can KSU continue to make stand after stand in the red zone? Henery is going to make the kicks other guys miss, so you can bank on them scoring when they get down there. Will KSU be able to move the ball against the best pass efficiency defense in the nation when they're so one-dimensional to begin with?
I'm not sold on Nebraska being a national title contender or a Big 12 championship team, but they're solid, they can run, and they have the best secondary in the conference. All of those things add up to a long night if KSU can't stop the run and move the ball on the ground themselves. Because they aren't going to get lucky against NU like they did against UCF on Saturday. You can't expect that kind of luck twice in a row.
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UCF was the perfect warm up game for NU.
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Let's see how much we all really believe in CC? Thought hard about having "Before opening Kick Off" but I figured Carson had done enough to deserve a little more than that.
There aren't any personnel changes we can make that will make a difference in that game. Either we're going to be able to run the ball, or we're going to get killed. Either we convert the set of trick plays we're going to use to try and score against their defense, or we're going to get killed. Either we win in the turnover margin by at least one or two takeaways, or we're going to get killed.
This game is going to either be really, really ugly for us, or it's going to be a game like Texas in 2006 where every freaking rabbit we pull out of the hat works. I don't think there's going to be much in between.
why do you think there's not going to be much in between? basically every game kstate has played in the last year and a half has been "in between", including the nebraska game in lincoln last year.
do you think nebraska is that much better than they were last year or kstate is that much worse than last year. both? cause i'll be honest, i think the teams are pretty similar to their 2009 versions and kstate didn't do any of the things you listed above and the game was in lincoln and kstate didn't get "killed".
I think Nebraska is better, offensively, and I think K-State is worse, defensively.
So NU has the ability to run the football against KSU, especially since their specialty, the QB run game, has gashed this defense time and time again,
i think kstate is better, offensively, and i think nebraska is worse, defensively.
also, which multiple qb run games gashing the defense time and time again are you referring to? arnaud rushed 13 times for 39 yds and no tds. prince (ucla) rushed 12 times for 31 yds (2.6 avg) against ksu and 13 times for 50 yds (3.8 avg) against texas. central florida scored 13 points. what am i missing?
The threat of the QB run changes the dynamic of the defense and how they play. In those games, KSU has given up at least 170 on the ground. While the QBs themselves didn't rack up a ton of yards (save Godfrey), the running backs did.
Maybe it isn't the QB run game that hurts KSU; I don't know. Regardless, they didn't end up #100 in the nation in rushing by choice.
Ultimately, this game is going to be decided by who can run the football better. NU has Martinez and Helu Jr. KSU has Thomas. KSU is #100 in the nation in run defense and just gave up 250+ on the ground to UCF. They were a good team, but you know, that's not good regardless of who you play. NU gave up 140+ in three of their four games. So, yeah, I think these teams are probably similar in terms of strength's/weaknesses. However, given that NU has two threats to run and KSU only has one (in the game at a time), I give the advantage to NU.
And Carson will have to have the game of his life if he wants to come close to what he had against UCF on Saturday (which was probably the game of his life thus far).
Simply, my fear is this...we know that Martinez can be shaken. But will KSU even have the chance to force him into making mistakes if Nebraska can simply jam the ball down their throats? Can KSU continue to make stand after stand in the red zone? Henery is going to make the kicks other guys miss, so you can bank on them scoring when they get down there. Will KSU be able to move the ball against the best pass efficiency defense in the nation when they're so one-dimensional to begin with?
I'm not sold on Nebraska being a national title contender or a Big 12 championship team, but they're solid, they can run, and they have the best secondary in the conference. All of those things add up to a long night if KSU can't stop the run and move the ball on the ground themselves. Because they aren't going to get lucky against NU like they did against UCF on Saturday. You can't expect that kind of luck twice in a row.
lol
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if we get down by more than 2 scores. this hadn't happened yet and its why i'm sure Bill left carson in. The situations were never desperate enough to warrant a change/spark.