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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: Fuktard on September 19, 2010, 11:52:41 PM
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Worst Comp Pct in Single Game
FBS Quarterbacks Since 2004
SEASON
Pat Julmiste, USF 15.0 2004
Allan Evridge, KSU 18.5 2005
Jake Locker, WASH 20.0 2010
Justin Tuggle, BC 20.0 2009
Mike McGann, TEM 20.0 2005
Minimum 20 Pass attempts
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And this information is relevant how?
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The smart ass answer is "it's not". But i'm assuming you probably don't know that JT is likely our starting qb next year. Just found it intesting that he and AE end up on the same list.
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Daniel Sams isn't coming here anymore?
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Daniel Sams isn't coming here anymore?
Sams isn't even the fulltime QB for his high school team. And that stat is from Tuggle's freshman year when he was unexpectedly bumped up from 3rd to 1st on the depth chart to start a season.
Tuggle’s top attribute is his athleticism. He is cat quick in the pocket and is very dangerous when things break down because he can make a play with his arm and legs. Tuggle can throw on the run and is so elusive in the open field. He shows a very strong arm and the ability to throw the deep out with a lot of velocity. Seems to see the field real well.
Doesn't sound too bad to me.
http://www.theroadtotampabay.com/blogs/bc/2009/08/30/who-is-justin-tuggle/
*edit- Nowadays, Tuggle is the starting QB for the defending champion and current top 10 Blinn. We're supposed to have a great in with Blinn, but that obviously didn't help too much with Newton.
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This poor bastard transferred from BC the same time Tuggle did.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.usatoday.net%2Fcommunitymanager%2F_photos%2Fcampus-rivalry%2F2009%2F10%2F28%2Fhadenx-inset-community.jpg&hash=f724df5428c3aa82bdf34d57bc2bf3770b7c81fc)
Oh, and Tuggle is Jessie Tuggle's son, so that's pretty cool.
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Daniel Sams isn't coming here anymore?
Sams isn't even the fulltime QB for his high school team. And that stat is from Tuggle's freshman year when he was unexpectedly bumped up from 3rd to 1st on the depth chart to start a season.
Tuggle’s top attribute is his athleticism. He is cat quick in the pocket and is very dangerous when things break down because he can make a play with his arm and legs. Tuggle can throw on the run and is so elusive in the open field. He shows a very strong arm and the ability to throw the deep out with a lot of velocity. Seems to see the field real well.
Doesn't sound too bad to me.
http://www.theroadtotampabay.com/blogs/bc/2009/08/30/who-is-justin-tuggle/
*edit- Nowadays, Tuggle is the starting QB for the defending champion and current top 10 Blinn. We're supposed to have a great in with Blinn, but that obviously didn't help too much with Newton.
you keep pumping this talking point about sams isn't good because he's not taking every snap for salmen, but I'm not buying. He's the best athlete on the field. If you were his coach and you had another guy who could throw the ball, why wouldn't you put sams at RB and WR some of the time? The coach at salmen is trying to win games, not to specifically make sure that sams gets groomed for his future college position.
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Everything I read a couple of weeks ago said that Sams High School team is a powerhouse. The one game I read about pretty much painted Sams a modern day Jim Thorpe. He threw for over 100 yards, ran for some more, caught a 49 yard TD pass, and punted once for 42 yards and had several tackles on defense.
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Everything I read a couple of weeks ago said that Sams High School team is a powerhouse. The one game I read about pretty much painted Sams a modern day Jim Thorpe. He threw for over 100 yards, ran for some more, caught a 49 yard TD pass, and punted once for 42 yards and had several tackles on defense.
Yeah, he's the best player on a team ranked nationally.
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Everything I read a couple of weeks ago said that Sams High School team is a powerhouse. The one game I read about pretty much painted Sams a modern day Jim Thorpe. He threw for over 100 yards, ran for some more, caught a 49 yard TD pass, and punted once for 42 yards and had several tackles on defense.
Do you not understand though?! He is not the full time starting quarterback, do you think he will be able to last a full four quarters in a Division 1 game playing at one position. I personally don't.
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Everything I read a couple of weeks ago said that Sams High School team is a powerhouse. The one game I read about pretty much painted Sams a modern day Jim Thorpe. He threw for over 100 yards, ran for some more, caught a 49 yard TD pass, and punted once for 42 yards and had several tackles on defense.
Do you not understand though?! He is not the full time starting quarterback, do you think he will be able to last a full four quarters in a Division 1 game playing at one position. I personally don't.
w/ our quarterback successes I'll take him and hope that by his junior year he's good to go. If not put him at slot receiver or LB.
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lazer arm never lost a HS game. dSams doesn't even play QB on every snap for his HS team. ergo dSams isn't good enough to play QB for your Kansas State Wildcats.
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The thing is- If Sams was a capable QB they would play him fulltime at QB. You want him to get as many touches as possible? How about if he touches the ball every single play? I have a feeling he is a DT type of player. You know Snyder would love to have DT @ QB but he simply isn't a D1 QB. An incredible player that can throw the ball a little but not a D1 QB. It's not like Sams' team has some stud @ QB or anything.
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The thing is- If Sams was a capable QB they would play him fulltime at QB. You want him to get as many touches as possible? How about if he touches the ball every single play? I have a feeling he is a DT type of player. You know Snyder would love to have DT @ QB but he simply isn't a D1 QB. An incredible player that can throw the ball a little but not a D1 QB. It's not like Sams' team has some stud @ QB or anything.
my guess??
Their QB is an unathletic dude(most likely white :)) who can throw a good ball.
Sams is an athletic stud who can throw and catch and do w/e he wants on the field. So the coach utilizes both their talents. Just my guess.
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How many guys who weren't the starting QB in high school evolved into quality D1 QBs, ever? I can't think of any...
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There is probably a reason why no one else is recruiting him as a QB.
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There is probably a reason why no one else is recruiting him as a QB.
And everyone else wanted DT to be a safety. :facepalm:
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Didn't Sams tranfer to this HS for just his Sr year? Could be why the HC is starting the caste QB :donno:
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oooo point to Pittcat
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oooo point to Pittcat
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The thing is- If Sams was a capable QB they would play him fulltime at QB. You want him to get as many touches as possible? How about if he touches the ball every single play? I have a feeling he is a DT type of player. You know Snyder would love to have DT @ QB but he simply isn't a D1 QB. An incredible player that can throw the ball a little but not a D1 QB. It's not like Sams' team has some stud @ QB or anything.
Actually, their QB is getting attention from FCS schools. If you've got two kids capable of playing QB at a FCS or above level, you don't let one of them sit on the bench.
In high school football, kids play "out of position" all of the time because, frankly, most high school players aren't very good. It's a rarity for the vast majority of high schools to have one kid capable of playing FCS ball let alone two or three of them. If one of the kids playing quarterback is capable of sliding over and playing another position, you do that because you want as many athletes on the field as you can get. Instead of having one college caliber player on the field, you now have two. It's just math.
Regardless, Sams is going to be a project, and he's at least two years (from when he gets to KSU) from seeing the field. That's why bringing in a JUCO kid is pretty important.
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So, we should pin our hopes on a guy who can't beat out a guy who is getting FCS interest? :facepalm:
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oooo point to Panj.
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So, we should pin our hopes on a guy who can't beat out a guy who is getting FCS interest? :facepalm:
I can't tell if you're being serious or not.
I'll try to make the point more clear. In high school football, where the vast majority of kids aren't good enough to play in college, if you have to kids who are good enough athletes to play at the next level, you have to find a way to get both of them on the field.
So, if Kid A is good enough to play QB at an FCS school and Kid B is good enough to play at a BCS school in multiple positions (because he's just a great athlete), you let Kid A play quarterback and Kid B play WR/RB/QB because Kid C is some nose-picking jabroni who will most likely spend the next four years of his life working at Foot Locker, and you don't want him on the field because Kid A isn't as good of a QB as Kid B.
Maybe the combo of this kid at QB and Sams at WR is better than Sams at QB and the other kid at WR. So that's what the coach goes with. Regardless, it means you have two college level athletes on the field at the same time as opposed to one of them sitting on the bench because he's not as good at QB as the other guy.
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Didn't Sams tranfer to this HS for just his Sr year? Could be why the HC is starting the caste QB :donno:
No, he was @ Salmen last year and is at Salmen this year. He may have transferred prior to that, I don't know.
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So, we should pin our hopes on a guy who can't beat out a guy who is getting FCS interest? :facepalm:
I can't tell if you're being serious or not.
I'll try to make the point more clear. In high school football, where the vast majority of kids aren't good enough to play in college, if you have to kids who are good enough athletes to play at the next level, you have to find a way to get both of them on the field.
So, if Kid A is good enough to play QB at an FCS school and Kid B is good enough to play at a BCS school in multiple positions (because he's just a great athlete), you let Kid A play quarterback and Kid B play WR/RB/QB because Kid C is some nose-picking jabroni who will most likely spend the next four years of his life working at Foot Locker, and you don't want him on the field because Kid A isn't as good of a QB as Kid B.
Maybe the combo of this kid at QB and Sams at WR is better than Sams at QB and the other kid at WR. So that's what the coach goes with. Regardless, it means you have two college level athletes on the field at the same time as opposed to one of them sitting on the bench because he's not as good at QB as the other guy.
His coach says you're mildly Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
"That's inside information. However it works out, it works out,'' is how Salmen Coach Jerry Leonard politely responded when asked about the quarterback competition on the state's No. 2 ranked team. Early returns have Matt Lipham still holding a slight edge over fellow senior Daniel Sams, the 2009 starter, who was demoted and then dismissed from school for a non-football incident, which opened the door for Lipham's emergence. In Friday's 42-0 jamboree victory against Pearl River, the two shared series with Lipham running 56 yards for a touchdown on the Spartans' first snap from scrimmage and Sams, a Kansas State commitment, completing a 59-yard scoring pass to Jamal Robinson on Salmen's next possession. "We don't have a starting quarterback, we have two starting quarterbacks,'' Leonard said. "They're both very good quarterbacks. They're both good enough to start. We don't know who will start yet because we haven't had Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday's practice yet. We have a plan. It will be a game-time decision.''
Sure as hell sounds like they're splitting duties @ QB to me because neither has distanced themselves from the other.
http://www.nola.com/sports/index.ssf/2010/08/south_plaquemines_ranked_no_1.html
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There is probably a reason why no one else is recruiting him as a QB.
And everyone else wanted DT to be a safety. :facepalm:
If you remember, you and all your idiot friends were hoping and praying that DT would be the answer for us @ QB. Just like you and all your retards friends were hoping and praying that Harper would be the answer for us @ QB. I have an idea- Let's get behind a guy (Tuggle) that is a proven QB, one who has been able to be the starter at the high school :surprised:, juco, and BCS levels rather than hope and pray that this kid will be the answer for us @ QB.
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So, we should pin our hopes on a guy who can't beat out a guy who is getting FCS interest? :facepalm:
I can't tell if you're being serious or not.
I'll try to make the point more clear. In high school football, where the vast majority of kids aren't good enough to play in college, if you have to kids who are good enough athletes to play at the next level, you have to find a way to get both of them on the field.
So, if Kid A is good enough to play QB at an FCS school and Kid B is good enough to play at a BCS school in multiple positions (because he's just a great athlete), you let Kid A play quarterback and Kid B play WR/RB/QB because Kid C is some nose-picking jabroni who will most likely spend the next four years of his life working at Foot Locker, and you don't want him on the field because Kid A isn't as good of a QB as Kid B.
Maybe the combo of this kid at QB and Sams at WR is better than Sams at QB and the other kid at WR. So that's what the coach goes with. Regardless, it means you have two college level athletes on the field at the same time as opposed to one of them sitting on the bench because he's not as good at QB as the other guy.
His coach says you're mildly Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
"That's inside information. However it works out, it works out,'' is how Salmen Coach Jerry Leonard politely responded when asked about the quarterback competition on the state's No. 2 ranked team. Early returns have Matt Lipham still holding a slight edge over fellow senior Daniel Sams, the 2009 starter, who was demoted and then dismissed from school for a non-football incident, which opened the door for Lipham's emergence. In Friday's 42-0 jamboree victory against Pearl River, the two shared series with Lipham running 56 yards for a touchdown on the Spartans' first snap from scrimmage and Sams, a Kansas State commitment, completing a 59-yard scoring pass to Jamal Robinson on Salmen's next possession. "We don't have a starting quarterback, we have two starting quarterbacks,'' Leonard said. "They're both very good quarterbacks. They're both good enough to start. We don't know who will start yet because we haven't had Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday's practice yet. We have a plan. It will be a game-time decision.''
Sure as hell sounds like they're splitting duties @ QB to me because neither has distanced themselves from the other.
http://www.nola.com/sports/index.ssf/2010/08/south_plaquemines_ranked_no_1.html
You kind of glossed over the part where Sams was demoted for a non-football related incident, and the replacement, a kid good enough to get offers from FCS schools, did a good job in his stead.
Again, I'm not going to explain how this works. I'm just saying that you're really reading way too much into it, and it's all academic anyway because the kid is years away from being a D1 QB. Hence the need to bring in a JUCO QB.
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There is probably a reason why no one else is recruiting him as a QB.
And everyone else wanted DT to be a safety. :facepalm:
If you remember, you and all your idiot friends were hoping and praying that DT would be the answer for us @ QB. Just like you and all your retards friends were hoping and praying that Harper would be the answer for us @ QB. I have an idea- Let's get behind a guy (Tuggle) that is a proven QB, one who has been able to be the starter at the high school :surprised:, juco, and BCS levels rather than hope and pray that this kid will be the answer for us @ QB.
http://tuggle.it/ (http://tuggle.it/)
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There is probably a reason why no one else is recruiting him as a QB.
And everyone else wanted DT to be a safety. :facepalm:
If you remember, you and all your idiot friends were hoping and praying that DT would be the answer for us @ QB. Just like you and all your retards friends were hoping and praying that Harper would be the answer for us @ QB. I have an idea- Let's get behind a guy (Tuggle) that is a proven QB, one who has been able to be the starter at the high school :surprised:, juco, and BCS levels rather than hope and pray that this kid will be the answer for us @ QB.
Slow down there big guy. Lets get one thing straight. I have NEVER prayed. Ever. And I have NEVER claimed to have friends, idiot Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) or otherwise.
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I look forward to seeing Daniel Sams as QB for the cats. I'm not looking forward to hearing all the tards say "Put Sams in the game!" over the next year or two when he is just not ready to play at the D1 level.
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This thread is racist.
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So, we should pin our hopes on a guy who can't beat out a guy who is getting FCS interest? :facepalm:
I can't tell if you're being serious or not.
I'll try to make the point more clear. In high school football, where the vast majority of kids aren't good enough to play in college, if you have to kids who are good enough athletes to play at the next level, you have to find a way to get both of them on the field.
So, if Kid A is good enough to play QB at an FCS school and Kid B is good enough to play at a BCS school in multiple positions (because he's just a great athlete), you let Kid A play quarterback and Kid B play WR/RB/QB because Kid C is some nose-picking jabroni who will most likely spend the next four years of his life working at Foot Locker, and you don't want him on the field because Kid A isn't as good of a QB as Kid B.
Maybe the combo of this kid at QB and Sams at WR is better than Sams at QB and the other kid at WR. So that's what the coach goes with. Regardless, it means you have two college level athletes on the field at the same time as opposed to one of them sitting on the bench because he's not as good at QB as the other guy.
His coach says you're mildly Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
"That's inside information. However it works out, it works out,'' is how Salmen Coach Jerry Leonard politely responded when asked about the quarterback competition on the state's No. 2 ranked team. Early returns have Matt Lipham still holding a slight edge over fellow senior Daniel Sams, the 2009 starter, who was demoted and then dismissed from school for a non-football incident, which opened the door for Lipham's emergence. In Friday's 42-0 jamboree victory against Pearl River, the two shared series with Lipham running 56 yards for a touchdown on the Spartans' first snap from scrimmage and Sams, a Kansas State commitment, completing a 59-yard scoring pass to Jamal Robinson on Salmen's next possession. "We don't have a starting quarterback, we have two starting quarterbacks,'' Leonard said. "They're both very good quarterbacks. They're both good enough to start. We don't know who will start yet because we haven't had Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday's practice yet. We have a plan. It will be a game-time decision.''
Sure as hell sounds like they're splitting duties @ QB to me because neither has distanced themselves from the other.
http://www.nola.com/sports/index.ssf/2010/08/south_plaquemines_ranked_no_1.html
You kind of glossed over the part where Sams was demoted for a non-football related incident, and the replacement, a kid good enough to get offers from FCS schools, did a good job in his stead.
Again, I'm not going to explain how this works. I'm just saying that you're really reading way too much into it, and it's all academic anyway because the kid is years away from being a D1 QB. Hence the need to bring in a JUCO QB.
The issue here is jtksu is Kid C and you forced him to go back and relieve the painful memories of his high school "glory"...
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"That's inside information. However it works out, it works out,'' is how Salmen Coach Jerry Leonard politely responded when asked about the quarterback competition on the state's No. 2 ranked team. Early returns have Matt Lipham still holding a slight edge over fellow senior Daniel Sams, the 2009 starter, who was demoted and then dismissed from school for a non-football incident, which opened the door for Lipham's emergence. In Friday's 42-0 jamboree victory against Pearl River, the two shared series with Lipham running 56 yards for a touchdown on the Spartans' first snap from scrimmage and Sams, a Kansas State commitment, completing a 59-yard scoring pass to Jamal Robinson on Salmen's next possession. "We don't have a starting quarterback, we have two starting quarterbacks,'' Leonard said. "They're both very good quarterbacks. They're both good enough to start. We don't know who will start yet because we haven't had Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday's practice yet. We have a plan. It will be a game-time decision.''
Character issues. :love:
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Angelo is quietly lurking in the shadows.
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Angelo is quietly lurking in the shadows.
THIS! It's gonna be two JUCO QB's battling it out in the fall with Klein moving to defensive end! Totally being serious.
Tuggle will win the battle, Pease will be a slot receiver/wildcat QB.
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Pease will be a quarterback.
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Don't forget about Cosh! Oh my, next offseason should be fantastic!
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What is the problem with recruiting both Tuggle and Sams, then pulling a Harper on Sams?
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What is the problem with recruiting both Tuggle and Sams, then pulling a Harper on Sams?
Tuggle would be a junior when he arrives on campus. Sams could be given a redshirt and be a damned good quarterback as a sophomore when Tuggle graduates.
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What is the problem with recruiting both Tuggle and Sams, then pulling a Harper on Sams?
Does "pulling a Harper" mean totally forget he exists?
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What is the problem with recruiting both Tuggle and Sams, then pulling a Harper on Sams?
Does "pulling a Harper" mean totally forget he exists?
Telling him he gets to be our QB, then changing his position, and doing it all in such a way that he is OK with it.
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JFC! Now you people are expecting Sams to be a "damned good" QB as a sophomore?!
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JFC! Now you people are expecting Sams to be a "damned good" QB as a sophomore?!
Redshirt sophomore, and the key phrase is "could be."
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lazer arm never lost a HS game. dSams doesn't even play QB on every snap for his HS team. ergo dSams isn't good enough to play QB for your Kansas State Wildcats.
WAIT. Our current QBs don't start a QB every snap either!!!! Wildcat buddy.
I think the wildcat is here to stay. dSams is a perfect fit imo.
gtfoomf
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Sams could be the second coming of Ell and not be ready to start until his red-shirt junior season. Counting on him for next year is beyond optimistic.
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you know, i was just thinking. Sams is probably going to be a future NFL hall of famer at QB. We need to get this kid!!