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Where do you guys think DT will end up?
Ranking the Big 12's best: No. 7
June, 25, 2010
By David Ubben
Today is Day 19 of our countdown of the Big 12's 25 best players entering the 2010 season. The full results are locked in a vault in an undisclosed location, but we'll be revealing one player per day until we reach the top of the list.
We're inside the top 10 now, and I kind of expect discussion on this to get pretty heated. I feel pretty good about where I've slotted guys, but we'll see if we need to do a mega-mailbag at the end of all this so I can defend my order. You'll notice the list is intentionally weighted somewhat toward positions that have a greater amount of impact on a large percentage of the field.
Remember, this isn't a list of the top-25 NFL prospects in the league. It's heavily weighted toward players' actual accomplishments in their college careers, as well as their likely impact on their teams in the 2010 season.
No. 7: Aaron Williams, CB, Texas
2009 numbers: Intercepted three passes. Made 34 tackles, including two sacks and 4.5 for tackles for loss.
Most recent ranking: Williams was unranked in the past offseason's ranking of the conference's top 40 players.
Making the case for Williams: Don't worry about Williams' pedestrian numbers. He's the best cover corner in the conference, and though the Big 12 isn't as pass-happy as was last year or the year before, having a guy like him helps any defense look good. Williams is the third member of the Longhorns secondary to make the list, and each player makes the other look good, but Williams is the best out of the group. Last season was his first as starter, but he saved two of his best games for the biggest. He had five tackles and an interception against Nebraska, and made three tackles and broke up two passes against Alabama in the national championship game. His size (6-foot-1, 192 pounds) has caught the eye of NFL scouts, too, and should make him an early first-round pick in the 2011 draft.
The rest of the list:
No. 8: DeMarco Murray, RB, Oklahoma
No. 9: Jared Crick, DT, Nebraska
No. 10: Robert Griffin III, QB, Baylor
No. 11: Jeremy Beal, DE, Oklahoma
No. 12: Blaine Gabbert, QB, Missouri
No. 13: Prince Amukamara, CB, Nebraska
No. 14: Alexander Robinson, RB, Iowa State
No. 15: Sam Acho, DE, Texas
No. 16: Roy Helu, Jr., RB, Nebraska
No. 17: Curtis Brown, CB, Texas
No. 18: Aldon Smith, DE, Missouri
No. 19: Kendall Hunter, RB, Oklahoma State
No. 20: Jeff Fuller, WR, Texas A&M
No. 21: Tim Barnes, C, Missouri
No. 22: Brian Duncan, LB, Texas Tech
No. 23: Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma
No. 24: Tanner Hawkinson, OT, Kansas
No. 25: Blake Gideon, S, Texas
http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/13718/ranking-the-big-12s-best-no-7
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Gotta be top 3, if not #1. No bigtime qb at ut, ou, or ttu, like most years. If Gabbert's bitch as is ahead of him, I'll be super pissed.
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Whoops, just noticed Gabbert has already been ranked.
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Why the hell are nubb players on the list. The are out of the Big 12. shazbot! them!!
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Why the hell are nubb players on the list. The are out of the Big 12. shazbot! them!!
I'm assuming that's the reason they left off all Colorado players! :thumbsup:
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Gotta be top 3, if not #1. No bigtime qb at ut, ou, or ttu, like most years.
All the major running backs are already ranked. The only WR I don't see on the list is Broyles from OU. And you'd assume Johnson and Gabbert are the two QB's left on the list. I'd rank Thomas ahead of all three of those players, so he better be in the top-3.
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nate solder for colorado was picked 6th so DT is gonna be top 5 atleast :ksu:
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:popcorn: Mmm... excellent meltdown potential here if DT doesn't even make the list. Nom nom nom.... :popcorn:
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:popcorn: Mmm... excellent meltdown potential here if DT doesn't even make the list. Nom nom nom.... :popcorn:
would be willing to bet 1000 bucks to 20 that he is on the list
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He'll be on the list but like British people, KSU fans just naturally assume the worst. We practically like bad things happening to us, it's who we are.
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He'll be on the list but like British people, KSU fans just naturally assume the worst. We practically like bad things happening to us, it's who we are.
No. But it is very unnatural to walk away from any situation without a KITN as a K-State fan.
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No. 5: Ryan Broyles, WR, Oklahoma (http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/13779/ranking-the-big-12s-best-no-5)
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Just my guess on what ESPN goes: 1. J-Johnson, 2. D-Train, 3. Gabbert, 4. Laptad?
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Gabbert is 12 or 13 which is fracking insane
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You think Gabbert should be higher? He didn't really do that much last season.
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He'll be number 3
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Dez Bryant is #1.
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Dez Bryant is #1.
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You think Gabbert should be higher? He didn't really do that much last season.
I figured he could have been top 10. I'd probably take him over all QB's right now except for maybe Griffin but i have my doubts about how effective he will be after his knee was jacked up. I also think the talent is down in the big 12 this year a little compared to last year.
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Dez Bryant is #1.
:surprised:
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You think Gabbert should be higher? He didn't really do that much last season.
I figured he could have been top 10. I'd probably take him over all QB's right now except for maybe Griffin but i have my doubts about how effective he will be after his knee was jacked up. I also think the talent is down in the big 12 this year a little compared to last year.
The best QB is Jarrod Johnson. Look at his stats, athletic ability, and measurements. It's really not debatable, he was the best QB last season as well*.
*unless you're stupid enough to think Colt McCoy is good
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You think Gabbert should be higher? He didn't really do that much last season.
I figured he could have been top 10. I'd probably take him over all QB's right now except for maybe Griffin but i have my doubts about how effective he will be after his knee was jacked up. I also think the talent is down in the big 12 this year a little compared to last year.
The best QB is Jarrod Johnson. Look at his stats, athletic ability, and measurements. It's really not debatable, he was the best QB last season as well*.
*unless you're stupid enough to think Colt McCoy is good
you're an embarrassment to the initials SD.
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JJ was better than Bradford? You been eatin Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) sandwiches again?
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JJ was better than Bradford? You been eatin Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) sandwiches again?
Would that be a sammich made of retards? Or possibly a sammich exclusively for retards?
FWIW I'd take JJ over Bradford. Bradford didn't do crap last year.
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No. 4: Von Miller, LB, Texas A&M (http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/13818/ranking-the-big-12s-best-no-4)
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Bradford was injured much of last year. However, what he did do was enough to secure a top 5 draft pick.
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Bradford was injured much of last year. However, what he did do was enough to secure a top 5 draft pick.
I realize that. I was joking. Thought you would pick up on that.
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Von Miller is their version of Ian Campbell...get all the sacks against garbage competition. The more i look at this list, UT and OU are going to destroy everyone this year.
Does anyone really even deserve #1 on the list? It's kind of you are just a little bit better than avg, award?
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Von is an incredible name.
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Von is an incredible name.
Only for guys that have kissed a girl. Sorry, Winterz. :lol:
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Von is an incredible name.
"The Vonster"
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Von is an incredible name.
Only for guys that have kissed a girl. Sorry, Winterz. :lol:
You shouldn't be saying sorry to me, you should be saying sorry to Von Miller bro.
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JJ was better than Bradford? You been eatin Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) sandwiches again?
Bradford played like 3 quarters last season mongoloid. If he would have played like his frosh season obviously I would have put him at number 1 :facepalm: JJ was the best QB LAST SEASON, imo.
P.S.
Bradford is in the NFL and can't be the best QB THIS season. Were you surprised when you didn't see Gerald McCoy on the list you f*cking imbecile.
JFC, this board is full of idiots
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Sugar Dick is going limp
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Sugar Dick with a very Ben-like rant. Poorly conceived, poorly informed, and poorly executed.
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Sugar Dick with a very Ben-like rant. Poorly conceived, poorly informed, and poorly executed.
Just because you say it doesn't make it true. Here's the research dumbf*ck.
Sam
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=188934
JJ
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=191668
FYI, Shipley's Boyfriend
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=175772
You could debate McCoy v. JJ in 2009, but not Bradford. There's also no way you can say either he or Bradford should be on the Top 25 list this season (psssst they're in the NFL).
Feel free to get back on topic, loser. I won't hold my breath waiting for your digital apology. Question: what do you drink with your Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) sammich? My guess would be ovaltine.
OK Cat, you're in over your head as usual, keep fightin' the good fight man!
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Sugar Dick with a very Ben-like rant. Poorly conceived, poorly informed, and poorly executed.
Just because you say it doesn't make it true. Here's the research dumbf*ck.
Sam
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=188934
JJ
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=191668
FYI, Shipley's Boyfriend
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=175772
You could debate McCoy v. JJ in 2009, but not Bradford. There's also no way you can say either he or Bradford should be on the Top 25 list this season (psssst they're in the NFL).
Feel free to get back on topic, loser. I won't hold my breath waiting for your digital apology. Question: what do you drink with your Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) sammich? My guess would be ovaltine.
OK Cat, you're in over your head as usual, keep fightin' the good fight man!
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Not sure why you keep bringing up McCoy, I sure haven't. And I acknowledged the fact that Bradforf was hurtr much of last year but that change the fact that he is and was a much better QB than JJ is, was, or will ever be. Also, in between bites of your sandwich, you keep insinuating that I suggested Bradford and McCoy should be on the list, which I never did. Looks like we got another Ben on our hands here boys. Too consumed with his desire to be correct that he is forced to throw up a smokescreen and hope no one notices him furiously pulling his lever behind the curtains.
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Not sure why you keep bringing up McCoy, I sure haven't. And I acknowledged the fact that Bradforf was hurtr much of last year but that change the fact that he is and was a much better QB than JJ is, was, or will ever be. Also, in between bites of your sandwich, you keep insinuating that I suggested Bradford and McCoy should be on the list, which I never did. Looks like we got another Ben on our hands here boys. Too consumed with his desire to be correct that he is forced to throw up a smokescreen and hope no one notices him furiously pulling his lever behind the curtains.
Well let me help you, in numerical order (assuming you can count) (also insults other than "Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) sandwich eater" were omitted).
1) I said JJ was the best QB this year. I went on to say he was the best last year, unless you thought McCoy was.
2) You called me a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) sandwich eater and said Bradford was the best
3) I said you were a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) sandwich eater because Bradford didn't play last year
4) You called me Bentard
5) I put up stats showing why you were dumb
6) You posted this asinine comment talking about how you didn't know where McCoy fit in, and how Bradford is the awesome'est
The entire time the thread was about the Big 12's top 25 players THIS SEASON
:dunno: I can keep arguing with you, but this is getting pretty ridiculous, so I'll just ask you: would you like a tomato on your Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) sammich?
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Classic Ben-like tapout. You must have been scouting his work hard core. Don't forget the most important part of the process, account deletion. And tell your fat little girlfriend to stop calling me, that bitch gave me some giant crabs last time.
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Classic Ben-like tapout. You must have been scouting his work hard core. Don't forget the most important part of the process, account deletion. And tell your fat little girlfriend to stop calling me, that bitch gave me some giant crabs last time.
lol
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Classic Ben-like tapout. You must have been scouting his work hard core. Don't forget the most important part of the process, account deletion. And tell your fat little girlfriend to stop calling me, that bitch gave me some giant crabs last time.
JT you're getting absolutely worked here.
:users:
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Little confused about how I'm getting worked here. All I said was that Bradford is a better QB than Johnson. Is that not true? :dunno:
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what a bitch fight, lol
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No. 3: Travis Lewis, LB, Oklahoma (http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/13856/ranking-the-big-12s-best-no-3)
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holy shazbot! it's gonne be DT @#2 and JJ @#1
bloody hell our conference is gonna be the suck
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lol, did you see Johnsons stats when he played 2 teams with a pulse on defense? even when A&M was getting crucified they allowed him to keep throwing and trying to score, very Freeman like imo
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what happens if hes not on the list???? :flush:
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lol, did you see Johnsons stats when he played 2 teams with a pulse on defense? even when A&M was getting crucified they allowed him to keep throwing and trying to score, very Freeman like imo
Did you see him play against our shitty defense? He looked absolutely terrible. :lynchmob:
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lol, did you see Johnsons stats when he played 2 teams with a pulse on defense? even when A&M was getting crucified they allowed him to keep throwing and trying to score, very Freeman like imo
Did you see him play against our shitty defense? He looked absolutely terrible. :lynchmob:
I figured it was an anomaly and wasn't going to add that in for the sake of not looking like a homer.
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lol, did you see Johnsons stats when he played 2 teams with a pulse on defense? even when A&M was getting crucified they allowed him to keep throwing and trying to score, very Freeman like imo
Did you see him play against our shitty defense? He looked absolutely terrible. :lynchmob:
I figured it was an anomaly and wasn't going to add that in for the sake of not looking like a homer.
You post on a K-State message board. You are a homer. Just embrace it. :lynchmob:
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lol, did you see Johnsons stats when he played 2 teams with a pulse on defense? even when A&M was getting crucified they allowed him to keep throwing and trying to score, very Freeman like imo
Did you see him play against our shitty defense? He looked absolutely terrible. :lynchmob:
I figured it was an anomaly and wasn't going to add that in for the sake of not looking like a homer.
You post on a K-State message board. You are a homer. Just embrace it. :lynchmob:
i want to vomit reading phog.net and gpc, seriously it's disgusting how many hand jobs they give each other
Example A: http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=172&f=2485&t=6080144 (http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=172&f=2485&t=6080144)
I won't post premium gpc...the stench is to much
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lol, did you see Johnsons stats when he played 2 teams with a pulse on defense? even when A&M was getting crucified they allowed him to keep throwing and trying to score, very Freeman like imo
Did you see him play against our shitty defense? He looked absolutely terrible. :lynchmob:
I figured it was an anomaly and wasn't going to add that in for the sake of not looking like a homer.
You post on a K-State message board. You are a homer. Just embrace it. :lynchmob:
i want to vomit reading phog.net and gpc, seriously it's disgusting how many hand jobs they give each other
Example A: http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=172&f=2485&t=6080144 (http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=172&f=2485&t=6080144)
I won't post premium gpc...the stench is to much
There's a huge difference between speculating that some scrub is going to be a diamond in the rough and pointing out that one of ESPN's two best Big 12 players for 2010 got absolutely lit up in Manhattan, KS last year by one of the worst defensive units in the conference. You can't be full of crap if it actually happened. Johnson really must have dominated against the other scrub teams he played to put up the kind of stat line that he did.
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Our defense wasn't one of the worst in the conference, at least not statistically. I'm not saying it was good, but it wasn't that bad. Except against OU and TTU, it was that bad those games.
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Our defense wasn't one of the worst in the conference, at least not statistically. I'm not saying it was good, but it wasn't that bad. Except against OU and TTU, it was that bad those games.
Yeah, well we used our offense to play defense by sitting on the ball. I'm sure if you look at yards allowed per play, they don't look nearly as good as if you look at total yardage allowed. I could be wrong, but I really didn't come away from any games other than Texas A&M last year impressed by our defense.
*edit: I just looked it up, and our defense finished 8th in the Big 12 last year at 5.4 yards allowed per play.
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Our defense wasn't one of the worst in the conference, at least not statistically. I'm not saying it was good, but it wasn't that bad. Except against OU and TTU, it was that bad those games.
Yeah, well we used our offense to play defense by sitting on the ball. I'm sure if you look at yards allowed per play, they don't look nearly as good as if you look at total yardage allowed. I could be wrong, but I really didn't come away from any games other than Texas A&M last year impressed by our defense.
i was more shocked how bad A&M looked
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JJ is this high on the list due to what he did against UT on the WWW. No one (but us) cares about how he played against KSU on FCS. That said, he is still not as good as Freemaw.
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Our defense wasn't one of the worst in the conference, at least not statistically. I'm not saying it was good, but it wasn't that bad. Except against OU and TTU, it was that bad those games.
Yeah, well we used our offense to play defense by sitting on the ball. I'm sure if you look at yards allowed per play, they don't look nearly as good as if you look at total yardage allowed. I could be wrong, but I really didn't come away from any games other than Texas A&M last year impressed by our defense.
*edit: I just looked it up, and our defense finished 8th in the Big 12 last year at 5.4 yards allowed per play.
pfft. scoring 62 pts by "sitting on the ball" are you rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)? I sure as crap don't remember any onside kicks after multiple touchdowns.
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The closer it gets to football season the more I hate the football board.
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I was more thinking our points allowed/game probably was around the middle of the pack, comference wise. Also, if you take out the 2 games I mentioned earlier, I would imagine our yards allowed/play would probably drop dramatically. Regardless, our D wasn't good, but it wasn't as bad as some say it was.
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LOL at all those doubting Sugar Dick. JJ is the man, most of you are illiterate.
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what a bitch fight, lol
You weren't even allowed in the bitch fight, which basically makes you the autistic kid that creeps in the corner to masturbate. Keep peckin' away, you'll get this figured out.
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Ok_Cat? More like Bigfatloser_Cat!! Amirite?!
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Ok_Cat? More like Bigfatloser_Cat!! Amirite?!
Right on! Right on! Right on! Right on! Right on!
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Ok_Cat? More like Bigfatloser_Cat!! Amirite?!
:cheers:
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:excited:
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The closer it gets to football season the more I hate the football board.
yeah, this thread has really taken a turn for the worst. if you met someone who had never heard of Kansas State and you wanted to show them why our fans are smelly losers you could show them this thread.
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Our defense wasn't one of the worst in the conference, at least not statistically. I'm not saying it was good, but it wasn't that bad. Except against OU and TTU, it was that bad those games.
Yeah, well we used our offense to play defense by sitting on the ball. I'm sure if you look at yards allowed per play, they don't look nearly as good as if you look at total yardage allowed. I could be wrong, but I really didn't come away from any games other than Texas A&M last year impressed by our defense.
*edit: I just looked it up, and our defense finished 8th in the Big 12 last year at 5.4 yards allowed per play.
pfft. scoring 62 pts by "sitting on the ball" are you fracking Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)? I sure as crap don't remember any onside kicks after multiple touchdowns.
Yes, our offense was just awesome last year. We totally lit up the scoreboard on everyone. We also ran a no huddle offense all the time like half the Big 12 did. LHC Bill Snyder made calls that make Mike Leach look like a pussy. It's amazing we ever lost a game considering our ability to hang 62 points on juggernauts like Texas A&M. :flush:
Boy, I sure hope Daniel Thomas gets picked #1 :crossfingers:
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No. 2 Daniel Thomas (http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/13879/ranking-the-big-12s-best-no-2)
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#2 is cool with me.
:dunno:
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Another 2nd place trophy..
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Another 2nd place trophy..
isn't that the m'fin truth
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We need a banner.
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ESPN loves them some Texas:
SPOILER ALERT: No. 1 on the Big 12's top 25 list: Garrett Gilbert.
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ESPN loves them some Texas:
SPOILER ALERT: No. 1 on the Big 12's top 25 list: Garrett Gilbert.
JFC. ESPN just went from BITB to a garbage-ass stankpot in like one post
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It isn't Dez?
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Dan Ubbin :facepalm: x's 10
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The closer it gets to football season the more I hate the football board.
yeah, this thread has really taken a turn for the worst. if you met someone who had never heard of Kansas State and you wanted to show them why our fans are smelly losers you could show them this thread.
Nothing screams Tool more than a "too cool for school" non sequitur on an anonymous message board. :users:
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ESPN loves them some Texas:
SPOILER ALERT: No. 1 on the Big 12's top 25 list: Garrett Gilbert.
If this is true, I'm going to eat some crap (deservedly so). But give me a f*cking break, Garrett Gilbert, that better be a joke.
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Larry in Salina, Kansas asks: Does Texas pay you weekly or monthly for your services?
DU: Bi-weekly, with per-post bonuses.
lol
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who the shazbot! is garret gilbert