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Title: Smart people only thread
Post by: Saulbadguy on June 24, 2010, 09:52:07 AM
What relationship exists between motion and the Universal Law of Gravity?

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Title: Re: Smart people only thread
Post by: The1BigWillie on June 24, 2010, 09:55:02 AM
I have some crap narrated by Morgan Freeman on my DVR that I need to watch first. I'll get back to you. 

I'll go ahead and throw out my guess though. 

Q: What relationship exists between motion and the Universal Law of Gravity?

A:  Fat girls need love too. More cushion for the pushin'.
Title: Re: Smart people only thread
Post by: Pete on June 24, 2010, 10:14:15 AM
Ask Jesus.
Title: Re: Smart people only thread
Post by: kst8catfan on June 24, 2010, 10:22:23 AM
What relationship exists between motion and the Universal Law of Gravity?

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"The angle of the dangle is in direct proportion to the heat of the meat." - Freddie Newton 1645-1701 (Sir Isaac's strange little brother)
Title: Re: Smart people only thread
Post by: Brock Landers on June 24, 2010, 10:31:27 AM
What relationship exists between motion and the Universal Law of Gravity?

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Gravity has nothing to do with it.  Because it's not the size of the boat, it's the motion of the ocean.  Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Smart people only thread
Post by: AppleJack on June 24, 2010, 11:09:45 AM
Centrifugal Force  :dunno:
Title: Re: Smart people only thread
Post by: DILLIGAF on June 24, 2010, 11:15:07 AM
what goes up must come down
Title: Re: Smart people only thread
Post by: AzCat on June 24, 2010, 12:18:16 PM
Depends, what system are you working in?

Under Newton's Law, the simplest case, distance and mass are relevant to gravitation which exerts a force instantaneously at a distance.  That is, gravity moves with infinite speed.

Under general relativity the motion of massive body creates a distortion in spacetime that propagates outward from the moving body at the speed of light.  It's not quite that easy but that's the general idea.

From there it gets complicated. 

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Title: Re: Smart people only thread
Post by: CHONGS on June 24, 2010, 12:19:05 PM
conic sections
Title: Re: Smart people only thread
Post by: CHONGS on June 24, 2010, 12:20:33 PM
equal area equal time
Title: Re: Smart people only thread
Post by: Saulbadguy on June 24, 2010, 12:26:20 PM
Seems to me that, particles are in constant motion, right?  Wouldn't gravity affect the particles no matter how small?
Title: Re: Smart people only thread
Post by: CHONGS on June 24, 2010, 12:28:24 PM
you are correct saul.   gravity affects eveything (but is the weakest by far all of the forces)
Title: Re: Smart people only thread
Post by: Saulbadguy on June 24, 2010, 12:33:44 PM
What effects would the lack of gravity or micro-gravity have on motion?  I think of how water reacts in space.  Just floats there like a glob of particles, doing whatever it feels like.  Do the particles just move around freely, or do they have to have some sort of opposing force to move?

If there was no gravity, would it just simply move forever?
Title: Re: Smart people only thread
Post by: CHONGS on June 24, 2010, 12:43:30 PM
the simple (classical) answer:
if the particles were point particles and neutral and at rest and there was no gravity they would remain motionless.

if they were not point particles (but still neutral) they would being to accelerate due to van der waals or higher order electromagnetic forces.

if gravity was there eventually the particles would attract each other (some particles would fly away but most would begin to orbit and form clusters)
Title: Re: Smart people only thread
Post by: mcmwcat on June 24, 2010, 01:07:04 PM
the simple (classical) answer:
if the particles were point particles and neutral and at rest and there was no gravity they would remain motionless.

if they were not point particles (but still neutral) they would being to accelerate due to van der waals or higher order electromagnetic forces.

if gravity was there eventually the particles would attract each other (some particles would fly away but most would begin to orbit and form clusters)

do point particles have zero mass?
Title: Re: Smart people only thread
Post by: CHONGS on June 24, 2010, 01:09:20 PM
no, but then again do point particles even exist?

tough question to answer
Title: Re: Smart people only thread
Post by: ChiComCat on June 24, 2010, 01:21:37 PM
This thread did a quick 180 from the first few replies
Title: Re: Smart people only thread
Post by: Saulbadguy on June 24, 2010, 02:08:13 PM
Does absolute zero gravity exist anywhere in the universe?
Title: Re: Smart people only thread
Post by: CHONGS on June 24, 2010, 02:12:15 PM
no (at least in the known visible universe)
Title: Re: Smart people only thread
Post by: pissclams on June 24, 2010, 02:14:37 PM
this thread sux without pics!
Title: Re: Smart people only thread
Post by: ew2x4 on June 24, 2010, 02:22:50 PM
If there was a tunnel from one side of the Earth to the other, what would happen when passing through the center? Obviously if you take heat out of the equation.
Title: Re: Smart people only thread
Post by: steve dave on June 24, 2010, 02:24:50 PM
If there was a tunnel from one side of the Earth to the other, what would happen when passing through the center? Obviously if you take heat out of the equation.

You would be squashed
Title: Re: Smart people only thread
Post by: CNS on June 24, 2010, 02:28:34 PM
If there was a tunnel from one side of the Earth to the other, what would happen when passing through the center? Obviously if you take heat out of the equation.

Nothing really.  Unless you filled that hole with a huge water slide with a pool at both ends.  Then, it may be pretty awesome.
Title: Re: Smart people only thread
Post by: LinuxHuskerSometimesBasketballCat on June 24, 2010, 02:45:28 PM
I'm going with you'll oscillate about the center point of the tunnel going from end to end eternally if we're neglecting air resistance, and other frictional based factors.
Title: Re: Smart people only thread
Post by: CHONGS on June 24, 2010, 02:46:57 PM
linuxcat is correct
Title: Re: Smart people only thread
Post by: CNS on June 24, 2010, 02:48:35 PM
linuxcat is correct

Linuxcat neglected to figure in the water slide.
Title: Re: Smart people only thread
Post by: steve dave on June 24, 2010, 02:49:01 PM
linuxcat is correct

Linuxcat neglected to figure in the water slide.

Or the being squashed
Title: Re: Smart people only thread
Post by: Pete on June 24, 2010, 03:09:02 PM
linuxcat is correct

Linuxcat neglected to figure in the water slide.

Or the being squashed

Just to be clear, are you suggesting that a tunnel from one side of the earth to the other side, via directly through the earth's core, is impossible to use?
Title: Re: Smart people only thread
Post by: steve dave on June 24, 2010, 03:22:27 PM
linuxcat is correct

Linuxcat neglected to figure in the water slide.

Or the being squashed

Just to be clear, are you suggesting that a tunnel from one side of the earth to the other side, via directly through the earth's core, is impossible to use?

No, I would use it all the time.....for squashing my enemies
Title: Re: Smart people only thread
Post by: ew2x4 on June 24, 2010, 03:26:40 PM
It's not about a frictionless environment. It's about gravity. I want to know from the smart people if sd is correct or if nothing would happen.
Title: Re: Smart people only thread
Post by: CNS on June 24, 2010, 03:27:13 PM
It's not about a frictionless environment. It's about gravity. I want to know from the smart people if sd is correct or if nothing would happen.

In that case, Linux is right.
Title: Re: Smart people only thread
Post by: steve dave on June 24, 2010, 03:28:47 PM
It's not about a frictionless environment. It's about gravity. I want to know from the smart people if sd is correct or if nothing would happen.

SQUASHED!
Title: Re: Smart people only thread
Post by: The42Yardstick on June 24, 2010, 03:42:30 PM
supply and demand. it's the answer to everything
Title: Re: Smart people only thread
Post by: ew2x4 on June 24, 2010, 04:07:34 PM
It's not about a frictionless environment. It's about gravity. I want to know from the smart people if sd is correct or if nothing would happen.

In that case, Linux is right.


I don't trust him. I'm starting to think squashed.
Title: Re: Smart people only thread
Post by: CNS on June 24, 2010, 04:10:13 PM
It's not about a frictionless environment. It's about gravity. I want to know from the smart people if sd is correct or if nothing would happen.

In that case, Linux is right.


I don't trust him. I'm starting to think squashed.

That is just large font and bold text messing with your head.  Stay strong.
Title: Re: Smart people only thread
Post by: Pete on June 24, 2010, 04:16:22 PM
Why is everyone talking about building tunnels through the Earth's core, anyway? 
Title: Re: Smart people only thread
Post by: steve dave on June 24, 2010, 04:18:19 PM
Why is everyone talking about building tunnels through the Earth's core, anyway? 

for squashing
Title: Re: Smart people only thread
Post by: AppleJack on June 24, 2010, 06:06:29 PM
How do we know Event Horizons really exist?  :dunno:
Title: Re: Smart people only thread
Post by: The1BigWillie on June 24, 2010, 07:00:41 PM
How deep of a hole do we need before squashing starts.  I have a shovel and some assholes that would keep me busy for quite a while.
Title: Re: Smart people only thread
Post by: LinuxHuskerSometimesBasketballCat on June 25, 2010, 08:53:59 AM
It is a matter of a frictionless environment.  If you include the friction and wind resistance however minimal it might be compared to that of the earths gravitational pull, then eventually you will stop oscillating about the center of the earth and will come to rest at the center.  Also if we're going to take into account the smaller forces, then we should include that the earth is not a perfect sphere.  Therefore, there will be pull from odd angles and not just into and out of the tunnel we create. Eventually, you may crash into the side of the tunnel unless it is a rather large tunnel.
Title: Re: Smart people only thread
Post by: LinuxHuskerSometimesBasketballCat on June 25, 2010, 08:54:24 AM
However, i do enjoy the squashed theory.
Title: Re: Smart people only thread
Post by: Saulbadguy on June 25, 2010, 09:00:31 AM
supply and demand. it's the answer to everything
Tarriffs and import quotas create deadweight losses which eff with efficiency.
Title: Re: Smart people only thread
Post by: ew2x4 on June 25, 2010, 09:14:13 AM
It is a matter of a frictionless environment.  If you include the friction and wind resistance however minimal it might be compared to that of the earths gravitational pull, then eventually you will stop oscillating about the center of the earth and will come to rest at the center.  Also if we're going to take into account the smaller forces, then we should include that the earth is not a perfect sphere.  Therefore, there will be pull from odd angles and not just into and out of the tunnel we create. Eventually, you may crash into the side of the tunnel unless it is a rather large tunnel.

No the hell it's not. Quit being a prick. There's a ladder in the tunnel.
Title: Re: Smart people only thread
Post by: ew2x4 on June 25, 2010, 09:15:07 AM
And I never said it was a hole. You jump into holes. You don't jump into tunnels. You people need to see yourselves to the medium/low thread.
Title: Re: Smart people only thread
Post by: LinuxHuskerSometimesBasketballCat on June 25, 2010, 10:54:34 AM
It is a matter of a frictionless environment.  If you include the friction and wind resistance however minimal it might be compared to that of the earths gravitational pull, then eventually you will stop oscillating about the center of the earth and will come to rest at the center.  Also if we're going to take into account the smaller forces, then we should include that the earth is not a perfect sphere.  Therefore, there will be pull from odd angles and not just into and out of the tunnel we create. Eventually, you may crash into the side of the tunnel unless it is a rather large tunnel.

No the hell it's not. Quit being a prick. There's a ladder in the tunnel.

By your definition of a tunnel with a ladder would be more properly defined as a Chute, maybe even a shaft.  But not just a tunnel.  Perhaps you're the one who should be sent to the dumbass thread.
Title: Re: Smart people only thread
Post by: treysolid on June 25, 2010, 02:28:25 PM
to briefly get back to the water in space concept - it doesn't just "go where it wants" because surface tension still exists in microgravity so the mass of water will eventually ball up (lowest SAV ratio) and then travel in a straight line in the direction of the last force that was exerted upon it.
Title: Re: Smart people only thread
Post by: steve dave on June 25, 2010, 02:31:58 PM
to briefly get back to the water in space concept - it doesn't just "go where it wants" because surface tension still exists in microgravity so the mass of water will eventually ball up (lowest SAV ratio) and then travel in a straight line in the direction of the last force that was exerted upon it.

Then it's squashing time
Title: Re: Smart people only thread
Post by: ew2x4 on June 25, 2010, 02:39:18 PM
It is a matter of a frictionless environment.  If you include the friction and wind resistance however minimal it might be compared to that of the earths gravitational pull, then eventually you will stop oscillating about the center of the earth and will come to rest at the center.  Also if we're going to take into account the smaller forces, then we should include that the earth is not a perfect sphere.  Therefore, there will be pull from odd angles and not just into and out of the tunnel we create. Eventually, you may crash into the side of the tunnel unless it is a rather large tunnel.

No the hell it's not. Quit being a prick. There's a ladder in the tunnel.

By your definition of a tunnel with a ladder would be more properly defined as a Chute, maybe even a shaft.  But not just a tunnel.  Perhaps you're the one who should be sent to the dumbass thread.

It would be a tunnel when you're in the middle of the earth with no definable "up" or "down".

You guys are killing me.
Title: Re: Smart people only thread
Post by: CNS on June 25, 2010, 03:31:08 PM
By definition, Chutes and Ladders are two completely diff things.  One helps you win, the other is a KITN.  You never encounter a chute with a ladder.  Pfft.


(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.greenpointtoys.com%2Fimages%2Fchutes%2520and%2520ladders.jpg&hash=b7eeb7a9037c44dd0a06953407af7af3ce02a4ac)
Title: Re: Smart people only thread
Post by: ew2x4 on June 25, 2010, 03:47:01 PM
Is that a special Hey Arnold edition?