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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: LickNeckey on February 02, 2025, 10:46:16 AM
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Will we win?
Can we win?
Have we won?
a place to discuss all of the economic facets of slapping tariffs on our allies!
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I predict we will be net losers
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the new right wing being really anti free trade sure sucks
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like I'm a republican for a couple reasons and the biggest of those reasons is fiscal policy and I kinda liked it better when republicans weren't fuckin' downgrades about doing it
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like I'm a republican for a couple reasons and the biggest of those reasons is fiscal policy and I kinda liked it better when republicans weren't fuckin' downgrades about doing it
Same. Hating Canada and loving Russia is such a new sensation I’m gonna take a few days to settle in
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When is the Canadian election, maybe Trump is just setting up Canada MAGA for an easy win
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Texting with my MAGA I asked what the end game of tarrifing our allies was.
His response was "You assume we have "allies" I'm not that sure........."
So I assume this is the new talking point.
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I am worried the end goal is to justify a physical war. He will call retaliatory tariffs an act of war and there you go.
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Will we win?
Can we win?
Have we won?
a place to discuss all of the economic facets of slapping tariffs on our allies!
Obviously nobody wins in a trade war.
I am not disappointed about a 25% tariff on Mexican pecans, though. Mexican farmers and domestic shellers are benefitting from the Federal Marketing Order on pecans at the expense of American farmers.
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Trump is a pecan hero and it’s about time! Literally most other industries that employ 99.999% of Americans have had a good run. It’s the pecan farmer’s turn now.
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Pecans are when we worry about earthly things.
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It feels like we are watching the toddler touch the stove.
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Show me were he touched your pecan
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Almonds are superior
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was a pistachio guy until I found out about the Resnik's
cashews for me now
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Maybe I wasn't very clear, but if it was within my power, I'd reverse the 25% tariff on everything and be done. We'd be better off without getting engaged in a trade war.
From a personal standpoint, there is a silver lining to the tariffs, but I'd still they rather not be implemented.
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Maybe I wasn't very clear, but if it was within my power, I'd reverse the 25% tariff on everything and be done. We'd be better off without getting engaged in a trade war.
From a personal standpoint, there is a silver lining to the tariffs, but I'd still they rather not be implemented.
Silver lining for who exactly?
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I personally think it's great that these tariffs will harm red state economies the most. These people deserve to get what they voted for.
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I personally think it's great that these tariffs will harm red state economies the most. These people deserve to get what they voted for.
Takin it dry to own the libs
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Just tazing our own nuts. So fuckin’ ridiculous: and for what? There’s no upside. We cannot “win”.
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Just tazing our own nuts. So fuckin’ ridiculous: and for what? There’s no upside. We cannot “win”.
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It's what we voted for.
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Just tazing our own nuts. So fuckin’ ridiculous: and for what? There’s no upside. We cannot “win”.
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But think of all the tariff money pouring into the coffers
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Saw a suggestion that this would be used as a revenue stream to offset taxes for the rich.
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Dow futures down more than 600 points right now.
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Dow futures down more than 600 points right now.
Bidenomics for ya
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Has anyone explained why China got a lower rate than Canada and Mexico?
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Has anyone explained why China got a lower rate than Canada and Mexico?
China got an additional 10% on top of the 25% they already had.
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Just tazing our own nuts. So fuckin’ ridiculous: and for what? There’s no upside. We cannot “win”.
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This is what I haven’t heard a non idiotic explanation for. What is the point other than just being a rough ridin' idiot bad person and to pretend to be tough? What could we possibly gain from this?
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When is the Canadian election, maybe Trump is just setting up Canada MAGA for an easy win
October
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I'm guessing this is great for Trudeau and his party.
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Just tazing our own nuts. So fuckin’ ridiculous: and for what? There’s no upside. We cannot “win”.
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This is what I haven’t heard a non idiotic explanation for. What is the point other than just being a rough ridin' idiot bad person and to pretend to be tough? What could we possibly gain from this?
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I believe the goal is increased revenue from tariffs allowing lower income taxes and manufacturing returning.
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I'm guessing we will retract the economy enough that the tariff revenue won't net anything.
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Did Trump just put a tariff on Canadian maple products?
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Dow futures down more than 600 points right now.
Down 725 points now.
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Kiss the housing market goodbye, which is equivalent to the US economy. Over a30% of our wood comes from canada and probably a good percentage of the labor force to build, repair and landscape homes comes from mexico. I feel really bad for all those LA fire and fall hurricane/flood victims. All of this is so GD frustrating.
Trump will spin some BS about how Biden’s market was already on the downslope and he saved it from being worse. Then his dumbfuck cult will eat it up hook, line and sinker. His fellow party members parrot his message, selling their souls and our country for more votes. FML
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Kiss the housing market goodbye, which is equivalent to the US economy. Over a30% of our wood comes from canada and probably a good percentage of the labor force to build, repair and landscape homes comes from mexico. I feel really bad for all those LA fire and fall hurricane/flood victims. All of this is so GD frustrating.
Trump will spin some BS about how Biden’s market was already on the downslope and he saved it from being worse. Then his dumbfuck cult will eat it up hook, line and sinker. His fellow party members parrot his message, selling their souls and our country for more votes. FML
I think things are going to get too bad for Trump to spin them.
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Kiss the housing market goodbye, which is equivalent to the US economy. Over a30% of our wood comes from canada and probably a good percentage of the labor force to build, repair and landscape homes comes from mexico. I feel really bad for all those LA fire and fall hurricane/flood victims. All of this is so GD frustrating.
Trump will spin some BS about how Biden’s market was already on the downslope and he saved it from being worse. Then his dumbfuck cult will eat it up hook, line and sinker. His fellow party members parrot his message, selling their souls and our country for more votes. FML
I think things are going to get too bad for Trump to spin them.
By the time that happens, there will be no path to deposing him
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Kiss the housing market goodbye, which is equivalent to the US economy. Over a30% of our wood comes from canada and probably a good percentage of the labor force to build, repair and landscape homes comes from mexico. I feel really bad for all those LA fire and fall hurricane/flood victims. All of this is so GD frustrating.
Trump will spin some BS about how Biden’s market was already on the downslope and he saved it from being worse. Then his dumbfuck cult will eat it up hook, line and sinker. His fellow party members parrot his message, selling their souls and our country for more votes. FML
When you say kill the housing market you mean kill home builders right?
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Kiss the housing market goodbye, which is equivalent to the US economy. Over a30% of our wood comes from canada and probably a good percentage of the labor force to build, repair and landscape homes comes from mexico. I feel really bad for all those LA fire and fall hurricane/flood victims. All of this is so GD frustrating.
Trump will spin some BS about how Biden’s market was already on the downslope and he saved it from being worse. Then his dumbfuck cult will eat it up hook, line and sinker. His fellow party members parrot his message, selling their souls and our country for more votes. FML
When you say kill the housing market you mean kill home builders right?
I thought that last time there was a lumber shortage it impacted all housing cause fewer new builds meant less overall supply and higher prices on everything.
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I’m against the WTO just like Biden, Obama, Bush, and Trump. I’ve changed my mind on tariffs, as long as they are used to fund job growth and gdp growth and not merely as means of providing tax breaks for the wealthy.
https://youtu.be/5LJi6iFHqDc?si=ehoYBjAmLnejYqwA
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Kiss the housing market goodbye, which is equivalent to the US economy. Over a30% of our wood comes from canada and probably a good percentage of the labor force to build, repair and landscape homes comes from mexico. I feel really bad for all those LA fire and fall hurricane/flood victims. All of this is so GD frustrating.
Trump will spin some BS about how Biden’s market was already on the downslope and he saved it from being worse. Then his dumbfuck cult will eat it up hook, line and sinker. His fellow party members parrot his message, selling their souls and our country for more votes. FML
When you say kill the housing market you mean kill home builders right?
I thought that last time there was a lumber shortage it impacted all housing cause fewer new builds meant less overall supply and higher prices on everything.
So less supply of new housing will mean increase demand for existing housing. It's not going to make existing home prices go down, it's going to make them go up. It will definitely put a wet blanket on construction industry though.
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Kiss the housing market goodbye, which is equivalent to the US economy. Over a30% of our wood comes from canada and probably a good percentage of the labor force to build, repair and landscape homes comes from mexico. I feel really bad for all those LA fire and fall hurricane/flood victims. All of this is so GD frustrating.
Trump will spin some BS about how Biden’s market was already on the downslope and he saved it from being worse. Then his dumbfuck cult will eat it up hook, line and sinker. His fellow party members parrot his message, selling their souls and our country for more votes. FML
I think things are going to get too bad for Trump to spin them.
Trump things are never too bad for him to spin. Just reassign the blame to Democrats, RINOs, Globalists, etc. He has and endless supply of scapegoats for his stupidity and his followers / enablers slurp it up with joy.
How does anyone who has passed ECON 101 believe that putting up barriers to trade improves economic conditions for anywhere?
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Maybe I wasn't very clear, but if it was within my power, I'd reverse the 25% tariff on everything and be done. We'd be better off without getting engaged in a trade war.
From a personal standpoint, there is a silver lining to the tariffs, but I'd still they rather not be implemented.
Silver lining for who exactly?
For me with Mexican pecans getting a 25% tariff.
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Kiss the housing market goodbye, which is equivalent to the US economy. Over a30% of our wood comes from canada and probably a good percentage of the labor force to build, repair and landscape homes comes from mexico. I feel really bad for all those LA fire and fall hurricane/flood victims. All of this is so GD frustrating.
Trump will spin some BS about how Biden’s market was already on the downslope and he saved it from being worse. Then his dumbfuck cult will eat it up hook, line and sinker. His fellow party members parrot his message, selling their souls and our country for more votes. FML
When you say kill the housing market you mean kill home builders right?
I thought that last time there was a lumber shortage it impacted all housing cause fewer new builds meant less overall supply and higher prices on everything.
So less supply of new housing will mean increase demand for existing housing. It's not going to make existing home prices go down, it's going to make them go up. It will definitely put a wet blanket on construction industry though.
Not an expert in this area at all, but my expectation would be that the decreased supply would also result in fewer purchases, especially from current renters, not just a tidy price increase that’s passed on to the consumer.
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Starting a trade war just for fun:
https://www.wsj.com/opinion/donald-trump-tariffs-25-percent-mexico-canada-trade-economy-84476fb2?mod=hp_opin_pos_4#cxrecs_s (https://www.wsj.com/opinion/donald-trump-tariffs-25-percent-mexico-canada-trade-economy-84476fb2?mod=hp_opin_pos_4#cxrecs_s)
President Trump will fire his first tariff salvo on Saturday against those notorious American adversaries . . . Mexico and Canada. They’ll get hit with a 25% border tax, while China, a real adversary, will endure 10%. This reminds us of the old Bernard Lewis joke that it’s risky to be America’s enemy but it can be fatal to be its friend.
Leaving China aside, Mr. Trump’s justification for this economic assault on the neighbors makes no sense. White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt says they’ve “enabled illegal drugs to pour into America.” But drugs have flowed into the U.S. for decades, and will continue to do so as long as Americans keep using them. Neither country can stop it.
Drugs may be an excuse since Mr. Trump has made clear he likes tariffs for their own sake. “We don’t need the products that they have,” Mr. Trump said on Thursday. “We have all the oil you need. We have all the trees you need, meaning the lumber.”
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Kiss the housing market goodbye, which is equivalent to the US economy. Over a30% of our wood comes from canada and probably a good percentage of the labor force to build, repair and landscape homes comes from mexico. I feel really bad for all those LA fire and fall hurricane/flood victims. All of this is so GD frustrating.
Trump will spin some BS about how Biden’s market was already on the downslope and he saved it from being worse. Then his dumbfuck cult will eat it up hook, line and sinker. His fellow party members parrot his message, selling their souls and our country for more votes. FML
When you say kill the housing market you mean kill home builders right?
I thought that last time there was a lumber shortage it impacted all housing cause fewer new builds meant less overall supply and higher prices on everything.
So less supply of new housing will mean increase demand for existing housing. It's not going to make existing home prices go down, it's going to make them go up. It will definitely put a wet blanket on construction industry though.
Not an expert in this area at all, but my expectation would be that the decreased supply would also result in fewer purchases, especially from current renters, not just a tidy price increase that’s passed on to the consumer.
I’m no expert either but my thinking is higher prices wont do anything but raise property taxes when nobody is buying or selling. Entry level houses will be too expensive for first time buyers, and existing buyers wont want to leave their low-rate mortgages to purchase drastically higher priced upgrade homes.
That would lead me to think people will be more likely to repair/remodel their existing homes, except everything at home depot and lowes will be more expensive, and it will be more difficult to find labor to do the jobs.
Another big difference from 2020 (when we had low supply of houses and raw materials, as well as tariffs) is interest rates were 2.5%, not 6.5%. Many were refinancing and taking cash out for remodeling/repairs. Additionally, many were using stimulus checks to fix up houses since that's the only place they could go for months and months. Also, more people were willing to upgrade to nicer homes because rates were historically low.
All that said, who knows what will happen now that many companies are mandating a return to offices. That may open up some supply in the burbs and small towns again? I hope I'm just doom spiraling and all will work itself out (fingers crossed).
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So what is the purpose of the tariffs?
1. Tariffs in and of themselves are good for the the US economy.
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2. They could temporarily hurt the economy and drive up prices and cause a recession but they are a smart component in fighting a drug war against Canada.
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3. They aren't ready good for the economy, the threat of them is just being used as leverage to get (something??) from our trade partners.
I'm losing track....
https://x.com/scottlincicome/status/1899094192770392473
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I'm growing increasingly weary that the orange man really thinks he can fold Canada into the US and thinks this tariff crap is a tool to do so.
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Elon and dipshit have both said that things will be hard for a while but will eventually be worth it. Whatever reasons anyone attributes to either of them, they know they are going to cause a down turn.
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Elon and dipshit have both said that things will be hard for a while but will eventually be worth it. Whatever reasons anyone attributes to either of them, they know they are going to cause a down turn.
Just because????
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Regime media right now:
https://x.com/jzlegit/status/1899171532817027333
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So what is the purpose of the tariffs?
1. Tariffs in and of themselves are good for the the US economy.
or
2. They could temporarily hurt the economy and drive up prices and cause a recession but they are a smart component in fighting a drug war against Canada.
or
3. They aren't ready good for the economy, the threat of them is just being used as leverage to get (something??) from our trade partners.
4. They help the dumbass President feel important and literally nothing else.
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So what is the purpose of the tariffs?
1. Tariffs in and of themselves are good for the the US economy.
or
2. They could temporarily hurt the economy and drive up prices and cause a recession but they are a smart component in fighting a drug war against Canada.
or
3. They aren't ready good for the economy, the threat of them is just being used as leverage to get (something??) from our trade partners.
4. They help the dumbass President feel important and literally nothing else.
Causing a recession to own the libs. Will probably blame libs and RINOs for not having faith in the power of the tariffs. What a complete Bozo. Can he just go live in the basement and leave us the hell alone like our last demented president?
https://x.com/RadioFreeTom/status/1899176788623823205
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Maybe they don't know about mid term elections
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Maybe they don't know about mid term elections
We're not doing elections anymore...
j/k lol. But yeah if they truly wreck the economy and the dems can like, just be normal and capitalize on it they could do really well
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every Regime Media is questioning the wisdom of wrecking the stock market just to show you can:
https://x.com/atrupar/status/1899188126855127107
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Dang the market hates his horrible ideas
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It’s only cause every Biden and Obama policy only now started hitting the market after it kicked ass for years.
Right, Dax? Pretty sure that’s the latest talking point.
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It’s only cause every Biden and Obama policy only now started hitting the market after it kicked ass for years.
Right, Dax? Pretty sure that’s the latest talking point.
MAGA is avoiding the tanking economy
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It’s only cause every Biden and Obama policy only now started hitting the market after it kicked ass for years.
Right, Dax? Pretty sure that’s the latest talking point.
MAGA is avoiding the tanking economy
https://x.com/patriottakes/status/1898509122514870438
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https://x.com/awealthofcs/status/1899483728985940120
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What was a bad idea was culling millions of chickens with no plan . . .
You're a great ally - and so we'll continue to give you billions of dollars, we'll continue to provide for your defense while you spend virtually nothing on it, and you can continue to slap massive tariffs and vats on to our goods . . . and we're just going to sit here and take it like the guy in the chair over in the corner . . . #blueanon/#blueanongE
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50% steel and aluminum tariffs now! Are we winning yet?
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When do they pause the market so it cannot crater even further?
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What was a bad idea was culling millions of chickens with no plan . . .
You're a great ally - and so we'll continue to give you billions of dollars, we'll continue to provide for your defense while you spend virtually nothing on it, and you can continue to slap massive tariffs and vats on to our goods . . . and we're just going to sit here and take it like the guy in the chair over in the corner . . . #blueanon/#blueanongE
Agree that the killing of millions of healthy chickens was a pretty moronic thing to do.
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https://thedispatch.com/article/canada-trump-trade-manufacturing/ (https://thedispatch.com/article/canada-trump-trade-manufacturing/)
But Donald Trump is, as he will tell you, the world’s greatest negotiator, and he feels the need to renegotiate the existing U.S.-Canada trade deal, which was negotiated by an utter incompetent: Donald Trump, whose administration oversaw the replacement of NAFTA by the (rather lightly modified) USMCA the last time he was president. And now Canadians have learned what banks, investors, vendors, small business partners, wives, ex-wives, and pornographic performers rapidly approaching their expiration dates have all learned over the years: If you think you have a deal with Donald Trump, you are a fool.
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https://x.com/TheStalwart/status/1905670289440018732
basically confirming he's going to chicken out, thank god
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The tariff situation is rough ridin' me hard at my place of employment so I wish he would stop it
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The tariff situation is rough ridin' me hard at my place of employment so I wish he would stop it
same. 25% increases to own the libs is stupid.
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Heritage, blink twice if you are safe...
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