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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: EMAWzifried on February 02, 2025, 10:11:43 AM
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Has college basketball passed him by? Treading water in the conference, overseeling stunning collapses, misfiring in the portal and losing conference games in AFH. Is the fire still there or is he a shell of the coach that dominated the Big 12?
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It is time. They aren't even close to scary or to be feared anymore
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Probably the greatest 20 year span of KU hoops that's happened or will ever happen, hell of a career.
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Not really his fault. He didn't ask for the B12 to add good teams.
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It's harder to win when everyone pays players, apparently. The recent ruling that would neuter NIL payments to top players seems to make old-school recruiting tactics favored by the blue bloods more viable.
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When everyone has NIL . . . It’s hard.
Props to him for having the SEC football bag man level thing in place for years . . . Taking it to a higher level with a mega corp vs the local Chevy dealer in Dothan
Much more genuine than Roy’s “Carolina Way” shtick which was utterly disingenuous
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Poor old washed warhorse lost three in a row at Doom, and this one wasn't even close.
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If he didn't ask for so much money for his salary from Poor U, maybe he'd have more money for his players
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Like I legit didn't feel at all worried about this one. I was honestly surprised for once the game was that close
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Strike a nerve, Bill?
https://youtu.be/a2EZ6_bVbZA?si=YU5fl1L9C33YAyoD&t=194
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Unlike football where juggernauts like Kansas State can churn out excellence in the NIL era basketball is a free agent draft and KU no longer is the highest bidder. Used to be the highest bidder when it was ILLEGAL AS crap but not that it's legal what do they have? A tractor supply on the interstate between topeka and kansas city? real appealing.
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Strike a nerve, Bill?
https://youtu.be/a2EZ6_bVbZA?si=YU5fl1L9C33YAyoD&t=194
I thought Self was going to twist off after the question about losing to Moo and K-State in the same season, and I think he wanted to, but he recovered nicely and gave a legit answer.
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yeah, answer was good. other than the "uh, uh, uh" x 50.
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yeah, answer was good. other than the "uh, uh, uh" x 50.
Wow. That was a ton of uh’s. Has that always been a thing for him?
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Oh yeah. He's been stuttering for years.
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Alcoholism
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Strike a nerve, Bill?
https://youtu.be/a2EZ6_bVbZA?si=YU5fl1L9C33YAyoD&t=194
I'm almost sure that Ron Prince said after being asked about being beaten by KU & MU for three years straight said, " It's a bullshit stat". But hey, the guy has them playing hard. I'd be happy if I got an 8 or 9 seed in the tourney this year. The sluts at the Wheel will still allow him to buy drinks for them. I'm kinda jealous.
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yeah, answer was good. other than the "uh, uh, uh" x 50.
I also really liked when he said "least best".
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Switched to their post game after Wyatt and Stan wrapped up. They were still waiting for Bill to emerge from locker room for his post game chat with Gurley. Hanni trying to fill, ...and there goes our good friend Wyatt Thompson. Hopefully, we'll bring you Coach Self's comments as he is still talking to his team in the locker room.
Tom
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lol
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amazing
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lol
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lol
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This is so good.
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Bill bounces back with a big 12 point win against an, check notes, 0-13 Colorado team in the Phiss Palace. Attaboy Bill!
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lol
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:love: :love: :love:
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There's got to be a book of coaching inspirational quotes somewhere. Left to his own devices, "it's all in the wrist" is about as profound a statement Massa Seff could come up with on his own.
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It's been posted by many, including myself, that we have been incredibly fortunate to witness this sustained period of success for the program. There are huge red flags everywhere that KU's Golden Age is being killed off by the transfer portal and NIL. We would be foolish to ignore the signs.
And I don't want to hear about the '22 title. This sport is not built around 2-3 year program players anymore. It's one-and-done freshman and transfers - all making more money than 90% of the fans in the arena. '22 was a literal lifetime ago. Adapt or become Indiana or UCLA. UNC seems to be suffering the same fate. Very, very sad./quote]
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I feel bad for KU fans. It would be awful to expect title hunts every year and all else is failure. Life mostly full of disappointment and failure.
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I feel bad for KU fans. It would be awful to expect title hunts every year and all else is failure. Life mostly full of disappointment and failure.
the spectre that the past titles were a product of cheating and are tainted has them squirming
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I feel bad for KU fans. It would be awful to expect title hunts every year and all else is failure. Life mostly full of disappointment and failure.
the spectre that the past titles were a product of cheating and are tainted has them squirming
It's quite amazing. But it's also almost like any big program's sustained success over time was created by cheating. Funny how that is (Nebraska).
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Massa Seff leaving the plantation?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/kansas-head-coach-bill-self-on-brink-of-retirement-says-cbb-analyst/ar-AA1zaznk?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=5f55ae47705040d6ad0f37d1fd0d06d1&ei=14
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Most other programs were giving guys minor extras . . .a few like KU and Self/Townsend were out there using a mega corp to buy players. Now everyone can buy players, and KU cannot sustain its past success.
As an aside. Listening to Coach K talk about how serendipitous it was that Zion Williamson ended up at Duke, feigning complete shock . . .is one of the most disingenuous things I've ever witnessed in college athletics. It surpasses Roy running around constantly talking about how UNC/KU did it the "right way".
That said, I still think KU is very capable of having a strong NCAA tourney.
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Strong is the sense they'll stink up the place? They look like a middling seed who won't get their usual Day 1 small conference tourney winner 16th seed. The committee with its sense of humor may slot them for a second-round matchup against Missouri.
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I think it's more nuanced than they lost their advantage via payment to recruits. Self has always been good at developing players for 2-3 years through sometimes unsavory tactics. The free transfer really hurt Bill imo more than other programs having ability to pay players above board. Either way I think this is his last year.
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It's been posted by many, including myself, that we have been incredibly fortunate to witness this sustained period of success for the program. There are huge red flags everywhere that KU's Golden Age is being killed off by the transfer portal and NIL. We would be foolish to ignore the signs.
And I don't want to hear about the '22 title. This sport is not built around 2-3 year program players anymore. It's one-and-done freshman and transfers - all making more money than 90% of the fans in the arena. '22 was a literal lifetime ago. Adapt or become Indiana or UCLA. UNC seems to be suffering the same fate. Very, very sad./quote]
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Could this be the week they finally gets them unranked? How long have they been there?
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Should already be unranked.
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"And I don't want to hear about a national title from 3 years ago" is such a wild take.
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How long should they allow him to turn the program stale before it's not "wild"
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We know what his ceiling is. Operating below that is not good enough.
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Down 20 at half to the Mormons.
I am astounded they are still ranked. 8-6 in conf and #23 in nation. They have the softest landing when they fall. They are going to lose by 25 and fall down to number 25.
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Currently 0-3 on the road vs unranked teams, according to half time crew.
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I'm not sure if KU getting their ass kicked makes me feel better or worse about our performance against BYU? I mean we weren't this bad but lord.. Self hasn't shown a lick of emotion either, none. Makes me sad we won't see him get a red-faced T ever again.
Will we be lucky enough to draw them in the tourney?
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BYU 8-0 run first 3 min of second half. How long until the camera catches bill just scrolling instagram for raccoon videos?
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BYU 8-0 run first 3 min of second half. How long until the camera catches bill just scrolling instagram for raccoon videos?
Incredible half time adjustments by Self. Called a time-out after this little 8-0 stretch and sat down and let his assistants do the talking. It's now 64-33 and I think I just saw the scrolling. But hey, they only paid 10 million for this team so a come back isn't out of the question.. :lol: :lol: (ftp://:lol: :lol:)
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Just scrollin for 'coon. You hate to see it
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Bills worst loss at ku. KU looked bottom of conference tonight. Not gE’ing.
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Worst KU team since late Ted Owens of 40-plus years ago.
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KU's fall hurts us as well. Many less-informed fans likely think the Cats just got blown out by the Mormons.
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Many less-informed fans likely think the Cats just got blown out by the Mormons.
we did
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0-4 for Kansas teams on the Utah trip. They whipped our ass.
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I mean that was a pounding, holy crap
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Can’t hide all conference big men and wings on the bench for a year or two anymore.
Can’t keep a bench of 4/5 star kids anymore.
Those kids would start picking up some minutes this time of year and everyone would swoon over their development.
Now those kids are gonzo if they even make it to campus
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Everyone has such a smaller margin for error now with roster construction.
As KU is finding out, they aren't in the same class (and never have been) as the truly elite programs as it relates to recruiting (Duke, Kentucky, etc.). Those programs can reload every single year (and have been for a long time).
KU simply can't keep that same pace and reloading every single year doesn't jive with how Self has built the program. They really lucked out in 2022 because two of the three best players on that team (Braun, Agbagi) were local kids who were underrecruited and "blueblood" KU was able to easily snatch them up (or, I suppose you could say their eye for talent was good). That team will go down as Self's last great team because that type of roster (players who worked their way up the ladder) sprinkled with a couple of key transfers simply isn't going to work at a top 10 level any more (see KU in 2022-23, 2023-24, 2024-25).
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Beems! Christmas is going to suck this year, faggots.
https://x.com/BoardGeniuses/status/1892267626287505687
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Berms and those guys have a rough ride ahead of them.
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0-4 for Kansas teams on the Utah trip. They whipped our ass.
it was indeed several games. like, polygames
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Walls closing in all around Massa Self
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/salty-iguana-s-kansas-locations-shut-down-assets-seized-for-unpaid-taxes/ar-AA1A0zMr?ocid=winp2fptaskbarent&cvid=3a572d65fa4f4388a9d3df4b389448c3&ei=41
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Beems! Christmas is going to suck this year, faggots.
https://x.com/BoardGeniuses/status/1892267626287505687
Lol
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Walls closing in all around Massa Self
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/salty-iguana-s-kansas-locations-shut-down-assets-seized-for-unpaid-taxes/ar-AA1A0zMr?ocid=winp2fptaskbarent&cvid=3a572d65fa4f4388a9d3df4b389448c3&ei=41
lol. good one
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Beems! Christmas is going to suck this year, faggots.
https://x.com/BoardGeniuses/status/1892267626287505687
I remember that happening, but I can't remember what happened that got Beems worked up (that day). KU won some Bahamas tournament or something?
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https://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=3639.msg75692#msg75692
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:lol:
https://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=40322.0
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Feels like a lifetime ago.
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:lol:
https://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=40322.0
:ROFL: I love this place
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https://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=3639.msg75692#msg75692
I ran into ol havs on Sunday
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Beems! Christmas is going to suck this year, faggots.
https://x.com/BoardGeniuses/status/1892267626287505687
Even if tongue in cheek, crap like that is why I want them to have a Nubbs-esque decline for like a decade. Would be a giant get-right for them.
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I just see that as top shelf posting.
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Lowest NCAA tournament seed in 25 years, hot damn.
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Not sure what the tiebreaker scenario is, but there's a pretty good chance that KU & Baylor lose on Saturday and TCU and WVU win, which would mean teams 6-9 are all 10-10. If KU's on the bad side of the tiebreaker, they'd be playing on Day 1 of the Big 12 tourney for the first time since...?
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1995
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1995
All good things must come to and end
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Everything Bill Self had to say after KU's first-round loss to Arkansas: We're da da da da da da da done
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Everything Bill Self had to say after KU's first-round loss to Arkansas: We're da da da da da da da done
Probably discussed elsewhere but what has been going on with Dickinson?
He seemed dominant in his first year at KU. Is he hurt or something?
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That home game they blew against Houston was a season killer.
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That home game they blew against Houston was a season killer.
Nah, they just weren't that good. Not top-25 even.