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Title: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: EMAWzifried on December 07, 2024, 10:38:39 AM
Let's effing go
Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: EMAWzifried on December 07, 2024, 10:41:19 AM
Rebounding well early.
Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: pissclams on December 07, 2024, 10:43:37 AM
playing well together, you can see the coaching on both ends

nice energy too
Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: CNS on December 07, 2024, 10:46:46 AM
Hausen is feeling it.
Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: pissclams on December 07, 2024, 10:50:14 AM
damn cj jones blocking that dunk attempt
Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: pissclams on December 07, 2024, 10:51:35 AM
the drop off with the subs is a large one
Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: CNS on December 07, 2024, 10:53:37 AM
Hawkins has a really good drive but is one of the worst drive finishers we have had in a while.
Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: EMAWzifried on December 07, 2024, 10:56:28 AM
Hausen should be shooting 80-90 percent from the line.
Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: EMAWzifried on December 07, 2024, 11:07:05 AM
We are treating the storm like Patino railing a waitress on a table.
Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: Stupid Fitz on December 07, 2024, 11:07:08 AM
This is fun to watch.


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Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: michigancat on December 07, 2024, 11:21:16 AM
Scene report: these guys started making jokes about Hausen being an accountant and it has dropped off a bit


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Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: michigancat on December 07, 2024, 11:21:59 AM
An angry Long Island Italian screamed to take out Hausen's knees
Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: michigancat on December 07, 2024, 11:23:29 AM
Also JHR aka DOB is in the house

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Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: michigancat on December 07, 2024, 11:25:02 AM
And Curtis Kelly!

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Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: michigancat on December 07, 2024, 11:26:33 AM
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Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: Tobias on December 07, 2024, 11:30:48 AM
good lord, rusty always delivers with the live coverage.  our ad money doing work
Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: EMAWzifried on December 07, 2024, 11:43:34 AM
Rebounding needs to get back to first half level.
Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: EMAWzifried on December 07, 2024, 11:44:40 AM
And we're fouling.
Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: michigancat on December 07, 2024, 11:44:53 AM
Not a great start to the half!
Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: EMAWzifried on December 07, 2024, 11:46:07 AM
Welf
Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: michigancat on December 07, 2024, 11:49:47 AM
Definitely people in the crowd saying "Let's go Redmen"
Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: EMAWzifried on December 07, 2024, 11:59:07 AM
Suddenly, can't do anything. Need a score beside Hausen and get a body on Zubie, for eff's ssadesz.
Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: michigancat on December 07, 2024, 12:02:11 PM
Getting killed by not helping on ball screens (and having no plan for what happens next)
Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: Purple Derpathy on December 07, 2024, 12:02:55 PM
Tough to watch this half. This team has some talent but they look like it's the first time they've played together.
Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: wetwillie on December 07, 2024, 12:03:17 PM
On pace to give up 60 in the second half, that's not ideal.
Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: HerrSonntag on December 07, 2024, 12:04:38 PM
are we not talking about Tang's sweater?
Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: CNS on December 07, 2024, 12:05:05 PM
Going into half knowing that they would primarily focus on shutting Hausen down and not coming out of half with an answer to that is wild.

Also, I am worried that we just simply can’t trust Dug this year. Being without an active consistent PG is not good.
Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: EMAWzifried on December 07, 2024, 12:05:50 PM
Have to play D and rebound to get back into this.
Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: Skipper44 on December 07, 2024, 12:10:19 PM
luckily those are this team's biggest strengths
Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: EMAWzifried on December 07, 2024, 12:12:14 PM
Going into half knowing that they would primarily focus on shutting Hausen down and not coming out of half with an answer to that is wild.

Also, I am worried that we just simply can’t trust Dug this year. Being without an active consistent PG is not good.
This game was lost on the defensive boards. Maybe Dug is inconsistent but Max and CJ are -- and consistently give us nothing.
Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: wetwillie on December 07, 2024, 12:28:32 PM
Man the cats are so bad even 'fried stopped posting
Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: michigancat on December 07, 2024, 12:29:39 PM
CJ Jones had a pretty amazing foul out
Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 07, 2024, 12:31:21 PM
This is not recoverable.

At least we're a baseball school now.

Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: CNS on December 07, 2024, 12:32:33 PM
We seem to be a collection of bit players, shouldabeens, and role players without any primary players.
Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: michigancat on December 07, 2024, 12:33:29 PM
Kroger brand Willie

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Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: EMAWzifried on December 07, 2024, 12:34:37 PM
CJ's day, 0-7 fg, 0-2 from 3, 0-1 FT, 1 rb, 1 assist, 5 foul. By all means, keep starting him Tang.
Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: CNS on December 07, 2024, 12:37:56 PM
Hopefully that will be our worst half of basketball this season.
Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: wetwillie on December 07, 2024, 12:42:13 PM
Hopefully that will be our worst half of basketball this season.

The top half of the B12 will do similar damage to us
Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on December 07, 2024, 12:44:30 PM
I think we can probably cool it with the “still early, meaningless games, blah blah” and just accept that this team is incredibly un-good (at basketball)
Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: nicname on December 07, 2024, 12:51:49 PM
The nice thing about sucking when your team is full of mercenaries that you don’t know much about is that it’s very easy to just stop caring. The bad thing is that when your team is full of mercenaries it’s very easy for them to stop caring and pack it in.

Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: wetwillie on December 07, 2024, 12:52:37 PM
I think we can probably cool it with the “still early, meaningless games, blah blah” and just accept that this team is incredibly un-good (at basketball)

Naw kenpom, the NET, and all of us are just wrong.
Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: CNS on December 07, 2024, 12:58:21 PM
Hopefully that will be our worst half of basketball this season.

The top half of the B12 will do similar damage to us

For sure. Aggressive bigs and quick guards are going to take us for a ride every time.
Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: nicname on December 07, 2024, 01:08:58 PM
Everyone who is decent is going to kill us. We’re in for a Wooly-type conference record.

Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 07, 2024, 01:21:19 PM
$18.7 million to buy the dude out this year.


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Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: wetwillie on December 07, 2024, 01:24:58 PM
No way Gene gave him 6 years fully guaranteed coming off an NIT season?
Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: Skipper44 on December 07, 2024, 01:29:53 PM
Everyone who is decent is going to kill us. We’re in for a Wooly-type conference record.
i expect a season very similar to oscar's last in 21-22 that was 14-17 (6-12).  Honestly, i don't know what I would do if i am Tang, the old school way would be to bench Hawkins, Jones, etc and go young but not sure build for next year works in the age of NIL
Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: pissclams on December 07, 2024, 01:33:16 PM
playing well together, you can see the coaching on both ends

nice energy too
i went out to do the leaves in my backyard and came back to us being down 17 lol
Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on December 07, 2024, 02:06:24 PM
The nice thing about sucking when your team is full of mercenaries that you don’t know much about is that it’s very easy to just stop caring. The bad thing is that when your team is full of mercenaries it’s very easy for them to stop caring and pack it in.
100%
Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: CNS on December 07, 2024, 03:38:45 PM
If we just kept Cam and Dai Dai this would be a completely different looking team. 
Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: michigancat on December 07, 2024, 03:48:50 PM
If we just kept Cam and Dai Dai this would be a completely different looking team.

I would probably trade them for any newcomer
Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: wetwillie on December 07, 2024, 03:49:16 PM
If we just kept Cam and Dai Dai this would be a completely different looking team. 

We would just have more turnovers
Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: CNS on December 07, 2024, 03:52:40 PM
If we just kept Cam and Dai Dai this would be a completely different looking team.

I would probably trade them for any newcomer

CJ Jones for Cam is definitely a choice. 
Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: michigancat on December 07, 2024, 04:17:22 PM
So, game report

I was glad the game was at Carnasseca because it's like a big high school gym. it's It's way out in Queens and far from any subway so while technically in New York City the neighborhood feels more like a shitty Long Island suburb. Here's a mailbox near where we parked

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The fans were complete assholes in my section. Imagine a Long Island Yankees fan supporting a team that hasn't won anything. The guy in the sweatshirt I assume idolized Joe Pesci movie characters and would stand to scream at refs or plays and like spread his ass cheeks while he did it? The sweatshirt said "Redmen" on the front.

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I mention that they seemed obsessed with calling Hausen an accountant or management consultant. (I have my guesses as to why they did not direct this insult towards the worst player on the court, CJ Jones). One guy said Hausen was "slower than the Q46" which is the bus line that runs by campus. I appreciated it even if he had probably used it before. I heard the refs refer to as "Stripes" (which l liked) and "blue" (this isn't a Yankees game jackass).

On the actual game, the defense was bad for that second half run. I didn't know if Hawkins us lazy or hurt or what but not having him help on ball screens was brutal for the defense as a whole. Honestly other than that and a few Hausen fadeaway 2's I didn't have much issue with how they played, but the failure to adjust at all the first 10 minutes of the second half just like us.

Thoughts on the roster:

Dug is fine but didn't create much
Don't mind Max Jones
I honestly felt bad for CJ Jones, one of the most spectacularly bad follows foul out games I've ever seen
Nguessen very solid. I think it shows that he's pretty much the only one that got minutes here last year
Was surprised at how small Castillo was when he went in and it made me understand why he doesn't play much. Wouldn't be able to hang physically today
Hausen had an amazing first half obviously. He only forced it a little but sju did a nice job adjusting
Achor looks pretty skinny and didn't do much
Ugonna Onyenso was fine
I don't quite understand what we're doing with Hawkins. Admittedly the big guy for SJU was a tough matchup for him

I liked Tang's sweater because it was very silly

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After the game we went to a great German restaurant and they had an adjoining "Pork Store" that sold German magazines.

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Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: michigancat on December 07, 2024, 04:19:42 PM
Also quite a few "Johnnies" fans came up and talked to us at the restaurant bar while we waited on a table. They were older and nice and had great long island accents.

Also probably ~100-150 EMAW at the game, not bad!
Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: EMAWzifried on December 07, 2024, 08:18:05 PM
The nice thing about sucking when your team is full of mercenaries that you don’t know much about is that it’s very easy to just stop caring. The bad thing is that when your team is full of mercenaries it’s very easy for them to stop caring and pack it in.
That's not going to change soon. We struck out on all the five star recruits we had visit, so if we sign a high school kid it will be someone obscure. It will be back to the portal, but hopefully retain a few of this year's guys. Shooting guard and small forward studs should be priority.


Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on December 07, 2024, 09:58:41 PM
When I saw the guy with the tee shirt worn over a long sleeved shirt I immediately recognized him as an enjoyer of music
Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: MakeItRain on December 08, 2024, 12:25:12 PM
Man the cats are so bad even 'fried stopped posting

 :ROFL:
Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: MakeItRain on December 08, 2024, 12:27:56 PM
CJ Jones had a pretty amazing foul out

St. John's fans on camera seemed really irrational about it too. "eff you bitch"
"Get the eff outta here, bitch"
Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: MakeItRain on December 08, 2024, 12:28:33 PM
If we just kept Cam and Dai Dai this would be a completely different looking team.

I mean both of those dudes left on their own
Title: Re: Cats vs Johnnies
Post by: michigancat on December 08, 2024, 12:53:05 PM
CJ Jones had a pretty amazing foul out

St. John's fans on camera seemed really irrational about it too. "eff you bitch"
"Get the eff outta here, bitch"

I was speaking to his entire performance but yeah the fans also seemed to hate him. There was a bit of light crap talking and/or dirty looks but pretty benign on the court if you ask me