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Title: Virgin island tourney
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 22, 2024, 07:30:58 PM
good start
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 22, 2024, 07:44:29 PM
Having a hard time justifying Hausen's PT.
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 22, 2024, 08:00:32 PM
Maybe the best half of bb this year. More Dug, more Onwenso, more Achor; less Hausen for sure.
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: steve dave on November 22, 2024, 08:04:52 PM
MORE DUG


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Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: wetwillie on November 22, 2024, 08:10:37 PM
MORE DUG


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We have been really blessed with miniature super quick PG's in my lifetime.
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 22, 2024, 08:19:37 PM
WTF 3 turnovers in a row. Get Dug in the game and let him run his team.
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 22, 2024, 08:21:14 PM
Make that four TOs in a row. Come on Tang. There should be consequences.
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 22, 2024, 08:30:23 PM
We're reverting to crap. Giving up offensive rebounds, fouling and turning it over.
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 22, 2024, 08:40:55 PM
Effing team. Can blow a lead as quickly as it takes me to go to the frig for a beer.
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 22, 2024, 08:46:39 PM
Hausen seems to contribute nothing but a rare three pointer bookended by multiple misses.
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 22, 2024, 08:50:55 PM
I swear to God, Tang can sit and watch turnoverss for 40 minutes without holding anyone accountable.
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 22, 2024, 08:55:39 PM
I'm just kind of having a conversation with myself. But really, isn't it obvious to everyone that Dug is our best player and far and away our best PG option?
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: michigancat on November 22, 2024, 09:15:03 PM
Decent win! This is a wildly shitty tournament
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: wetwillie on November 22, 2024, 09:17:56 PM
Breaking a 7 post heater from 'fried is unforgivable
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: _33 on November 22, 2024, 09:19:30 PM
In true horrible college basketball game fashion, GW made 3 more free throws than field goals. Gross.
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 22, 2024, 09:31:07 PM
Breaking a 7 post heater from 'fried is unforgivable
Damn straight!


Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 22, 2024, 09:35:38 PM
If Tang loses to those fundies from Liberty, I'm done with him.
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: KST8FAN on November 23, 2024, 10:01:22 AM
So i learned last night GW is the Revolutionaries or "Revs" per the announcers.  Dropped the Colonials a couple years ago.


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Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: MakeItRain on November 23, 2024, 10:03:15 AM
'zif, I love you, man.

Also eff Liberty
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: DaBigTrain on November 23, 2024, 12:01:21 PM
Didn’t watch but I saw we won! Wow!
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on November 23, 2024, 06:35:07 PM
Didn’t watch but I saw we won! Wow!
Glad to hear that the Cats are hooping in the Virgin Islands. DNG was posting pics to instagram from a beach and I was wondering what was going on!
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: Stevesie60 on November 24, 2024, 11:17:38 AM
The whole "not getting playing time until they're bought in" crap seems weird to me. They're college aged kids, I think you could probably just have a conversation with them.

What I'm saying is, Dug needs more time on the court. Stop limiting his playing time because you're trying to teach him a lesson.
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: wetwillie on November 24, 2024, 11:52:49 AM
The whole "not getting playing time until they're bought in" crap seems weird to me. They're college aged kids, I think you could probably just have a conversation with them.

What I'm saying is, Dug needs more time on the court. Stop limiting his playing time because you're trying to teach him a lesson.


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Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 24, 2024, 12:37:39 PM
I guess I'm not seeing what Dug's not doing. Not taking bad shots, not turning the ball over, getting assists, getting steals and pressuring oppo's primary ballhandler. Is he going to class?
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 24, 2024, 07:08:17 PM
Still playing games with Dug.
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 24, 2024, 07:11:00 PM
Giving up offensive boards and making turnovers. K-State bb
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 24, 2024, 07:20:56 PM
Effing team. Six turnovers in eight minutes and have given up at least four o-boards.
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 24, 2024, 07:26:16 PM
Coffee is for finishers Coleman, so you're drinking water.
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 24, 2024, 07:31:14 PM
Someone explain what Tang sees in Hausen.
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: wetwillie on November 24, 2024, 07:34:13 PM
Someone explain what Tang sees in Hausen.

I think it's because he's a bucket from 3
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 24, 2024, 07:35:21 PM
No he's not. Shoots a lot of them tho.
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: wetwillie on November 24, 2024, 07:42:50 PM
He's a career 40% 3P shooter on almost 300 attempts. Dude is a bucket.
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: steve dave on November 24, 2024, 07:53:48 PM
I would simply tell him to shoot good ones


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Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 24, 2024, 08:01:19 PM
Take shoots off the offense when he has his feet set. yes. And start rebounding and playing defense, but that can be said about a lot of his teammates.
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: michigancat on November 24, 2024, 08:04:49 PM
I'm getting really angry at these officials
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 24, 2024, 08:22:45 PM
Bucket /s
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 24, 2024, 08:39:37 PM
These refs aren't seeing the same game I am.
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 24, 2024, 08:49:49 PM
Can our crap defense get a stop?
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 24, 2024, 08:52:50 PM
crap. We lost to LIbrerty. Yeah, we ain't dancing this year.
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: catastrophe on November 24, 2024, 08:53:04 PM
Should have at least tied it there. I swear we’ve needed a reliable shooter since Pullen.
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: nicname on November 24, 2024, 08:55:24 PM
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Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: CNS on November 24, 2024, 09:00:03 PM
It’s early, but I don’t see any growth yet. It still looks like we really don’t know what we are going to be.
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: wetwillie on November 24, 2024, 09:02:26 PM
It’s early, but I don’t see any growth yet. It still looks like we really don’t know what we are going to be.

Well we know we aren't a tournament team at least
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: michigancat on November 24, 2024, 09:08:17 PM
Long ways to go, nothing is set in stone
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: Spracne on November 24, 2024, 09:11:29 PM
Tang throwin'?
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 24, 2024, 09:16:18 PM
 :Lurk:
It’s early, but I don’t see any growth yet. It still looks like we really don’t know what we are going to be.
Refusing to start Dug cost us a total deficit of 10 to 12 points at the start of the first and second halves. The next play who slides under a screen on a 3-point shooter needs benched and berated.
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: BostonPancake on November 24, 2024, 09:18:51 PM
Couldn’t even get to December with tourney dreams intact.

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: michigancat on November 24, 2024, 09:24:26 PM
:Lurk:
It’s early, but I don’t see any growth yet. It still looks like we really don’t know what we are going to be.
Refusing to start Dug cost us a total deficit of 10 to 12 points at the start of the first and second halves. The next play who slides under a screen on a 3-point shooter needs benched and berated.
I was going to praise Achor after a nice finish and then he immediately did this and I did not hit send
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: nicname on November 24, 2024, 09:26:36 PM
4-5 FT
Outrebounded by Liberty.
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: pissclams on November 24, 2024, 09:42:42 PM
there simply aren’t enough bad shots to go around for this team

poorly coached on both ends of the floor.  consistently out of position defensively. our guards are out rebounding our bigs.

no end in sight. no reason to think it will be fixed.
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: wetwillie on November 24, 2024, 09:58:36 PM
Gonna get super weird when the NIL money dries up next year. 
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: pissclams on November 24, 2024, 10:27:46 PM
Gonna get super weird when the NIL money dries up next year.
eh, the product on the floor will look very similar to what we see today
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: _33 on November 24, 2024, 10:48:44 PM
Do we need more Buddy Rich? I would prefer to at least watch some cool slam dunks while we lose.
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: Stupid Fitz on November 25, 2024, 08:30:13 AM
I have LBBIQ, but letting tiny white guys dribble all around you and do whatever they want and at the same time getting out rebounded by a team with a bunch of tiny white guys on it does not give me confidence for conference play. :dunno:
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: michigancat on November 25, 2024, 08:54:29 AM
I have LBBIQ, but letting tiny white guys dribble all around you and do whatever they want and at the same time getting out rebounded by a team with a bunch of tiny white guys on it does not give me confidence for conference play. :dunno:
IMO team defense (like knowing what to do) and effort are the two biggest challenges I see. Those are much easier to correct than like being small or unable to shoot or something
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: Stupid Fitz on November 25, 2024, 09:47:38 AM
I have LBBIQ, but letting tiny white guys dribble all around you and do whatever they want and at the same time getting out rebounded by a team with a bunch of tiny white guys on it does not give me confidence for conference play. :dunno:
IMO team defense (like knowing what to do) and effort are the two biggest challenges I see. Those are much easier to correct than like being small or unable to shoot or something

HOPEFULLY!!!

Question for smart basketball people types. One thing that always drives me nuts is when a defender picks up his guy just after half court and gets smoked. This happened a lot last night. What is the point of picking up your guy so high when you know he can blow right by you? Wouldn't it be more affective to pick him up just above the 3 or closer to traffic? This team is just atrocious at defending overall, but I noticed this a lot.
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: steve dave on November 25, 2024, 10:01:02 AM
Just steal the ball imo


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Title: Virgin island tourney
Post by: steve dave on November 25, 2024, 10:01:27 AM
It’s allowed. Just because it’s called a “steal” doesn’t make it illegal.


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Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: michigancat on November 25, 2024, 10:55:46 AM
I have LBBIQ, but letting tiny white guys dribble all around you and do whatever they want and at the same time getting out rebounded by a team with a bunch of tiny white guys on it does not give me confidence for conference play. :dunno:
IMO team defense (like knowing what to do) and effort are the two biggest challenges I see. Those are much easier to correct than like being small or unable to shoot or something

HOPEFULLY!!!

Question for smart basketball people types. One thing that always drives me nuts is when a defender picks up his guy just after half court and gets smoked. This happened a lot last night. What is the point of picking up your guy so high when you know he can blow right by you? Wouldn't it be more affective to pick him up just above the 3 or closer to traffic? This team is just atrocious at defending overall, but I noticed this a lot.

Nothing wrong with picking up high and inviting drives if you're filtering him to shot blockers and have good rotations. I think the problem is they seem clueless when it comes to helping and "helping the helper"
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on November 25, 2024, 11:21:43 AM
Maybe the guys can get healthy today. I guess there is a team called "Longwood" that they will face.

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Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: Tobias on November 25, 2024, 11:30:58 AM
team name starts with "L" :ohno:
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: Stevesie60 on November 25, 2024, 11:50:31 AM
Liberty went 9/20 from 3. According to kenpom and _FAN stats, apparently that's a crap shoot and there's not much a defense can do to affect you opponent's 3pt%. But going under on screens would probably be the number 1 way to help a team hit 3s.

What a bummer. Hang Nowell's jersey from the rafters because he's clearly the only reason we thought Tang was a good coach.
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: michigancat on November 25, 2024, 11:52:04 AM
Liberty went 9/20 from 3. According to kenpom and _FAN stats, apparently that's a crap shoot and there's not much a defense can do to affect you opponent's 3pt%. But going under on screens would probably be the number 1 way to help a team hit 3s.

What a bummer. Hang Nowell's jersey from the rafters because he's clearly the only reason we thought Tang was a good coach.

You can make them take fewer threes to your point about going under screens.

And settle down lol
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: Stevesie60 on November 25, 2024, 11:52:51 AM
This is goEMAW, michigancat, I will not settle down.
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: GregKSU1027 on November 25, 2024, 02:09:15 PM
This is goEMAW, michigancat, I will not settle down.

I share the same sentiment. This is goEMAW. We are the last of the good/reasonable KSU fans. If the posts are too loud then you are either too old or ok with mediocrity  :eye:
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: michigancat on November 25, 2024, 02:26:02 PM
You would need to define mediocrity but yeah I'm probably OK with mediocrity if there are good kids playing hard. :cyclist:
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: MakeItRain on November 25, 2024, 02:33:13 PM
This is goEMAW, michigancat, I will not settle down.

ok with mediocrity  :eye:

 :dubious: the lament of an bad person
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: WillieWatanabe on November 25, 2024, 03:13:21 PM
is Hawkins 100%?  I haven't watched a lot but I just haven't seen why his price was so high.
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: wetwillie on November 25, 2024, 03:18:19 PM
is Hawkins 100%?  I haven't watched a lot but I just haven't seen why his price was so high.

He had something done to his knee in the off season. I didn't watch him last year but he looks a step or two slower this year than we need him to be. 
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: GregKSU1027 on November 25, 2024, 03:18:37 PM
This is goEMAW, michigancat, I will not settle down.

ok with mediocrity  :eye:

 :dubious: the lament of an bad person
MIR if you were to take over the basketball with the current roster. What is the one thing you have everyone doing differently that will get you better results by the end of december?
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: MakeItRain on November 25, 2024, 03:29:24 PM
This is goEMAW, michigancat, I will not settle down.

ok with mediocrity  :eye:

 :dubious: the lament of an bad person
MIR if you were to take over the basketball with the current roster. What is the one thing you have everyone doing differently that will get you better results by the end of december?

Go back to May and build a different roster. I don't like this mix of guys, at all.
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: GregKSU1027 on November 25, 2024, 03:33:07 PM
This is goEMAW, michigancat, I will not settle down.

ok with mediocrity  :eye:

 :dubious: the lament of an bad person
MIR if you were to take over the basketball with the current roster. What is the one thing you have everyone doing differently that will get you better results by the end of december?

Go back to May and build a different roster. I don't like this mix of guys, at all.
This is the best answer to this question. No notes. I agree big time. Feels like there is a massive lack of chemistry and I think that hurts a basketball team a lot.
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: CNS on November 25, 2024, 03:47:23 PM
Greg didn't ask me, but I would say that Dug and Castillo should be playing nearly constantly and we should be trying to drive a bunch, dishing to Hausen and or ooping to whoever else is on the court at the time. 
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: MakeItRain on November 25, 2024, 04:05:45 PM
Dug's minutes will be fine, he played 30 minutes last night and got the shots at the end. Castillo, looks dece, but he needs more seasoning. I'm disappointed that he got such little playing time last night. Hausen needs to be more selective with his shots.
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: Stupid Fitz on November 25, 2024, 05:01:49 PM
We might be really bad. I mean, they could learn to pass, rebound, defend, and not turn it over every possession at some point, but it doesn’t look likely.


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Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 25, 2024, 05:06:27 PM
This pesky Longwood is turning us over at a pace of nearly one a minute and 5-11 guard blocking our shots.
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 25, 2024, 05:09:52 PM
Defense sucks as bad as the refs.
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: Stupid Fitz on November 25, 2024, 05:10:25 PM
“Rich will go to the bench with 2 fouls in his 4 minutes”. lol


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Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: Stupid Fitz on November 25, 2024, 05:12:19 PM
Defense sucks as bad as the refs.
They defend like a grade-school kid by just running straight at the guy with the ball and he just waits and drives right by them. 


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Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 25, 2024, 05:12:36 PM
“Rich will go to the bench with 2 fouls in his 4 minutes”. lol


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Flopping astidss
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 25, 2024, 05:15:07 PM
Wow. Creative refereeing.
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: Stupid Fitz on November 25, 2024, 05:17:38 PM
It’s ironic that they are playing in a shitty gym with shitty refs and shitty announcers.


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Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 25, 2024, 05:22:07 PM
Our salvation may be that they are worse ballhandlers than we are.
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: Skipper44 on November 25, 2024, 05:22:44 PM
this team refuses to rebound
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 25, 2024, 05:24:41 PM
That requires, like, effort.
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: wetwillie on November 25, 2024, 06:02:37 PM
Wait we lost to Liberty and we have to play again in this rough ridin' thing?
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 25, 2024, 06:03:00 PM
When we shoot lights out from 3, we can overcome poor rebounding, defense and ballhandling.
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 25, 2024, 06:08:14 PM
We just won't rebound/block out.
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: Stupid Fitz on November 25, 2024, 06:10:03 PM
When we shoot lights out from 3, we can overcome poor rebounding, defense and ballhandling.
Agree. Also, if we score and just let them score, we won’t have to worry about being shitty at rebounding.


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Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 25, 2024, 06:14:42 PM
How to lose a lead -- turnover the ball, take bad shots, don't rebound.
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 25, 2024, 06:24:41 PM
Where has this Hawkins been all year? Or is it just Longwood.
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 25, 2024, 06:28:00 PM
Rich going to the floor and taking charge. And alley opp -- opp opp
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 25, 2024, 06:43:54 PM
Third place in the renowned, the prestigious, the coveted, the incomparable Paradise Jam. Yessir, brother, we bad.
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: nicname on November 25, 2024, 09:15:34 PM
A total of theee FTs attempted in two games against Liberty and Longwood.
Title: Re: Virgin island tourney
Post by: WillieWatanabe on November 26, 2024, 08:55:33 AM
is Hawkins 100%?  I haven't watched a lot but I just haven't seen why his price was so high.

last night was better