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He seems pretty good to me. :dunno:
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I feel lucky to have guys like Giddens and Ward making runs. They have two different styles of runs which makes it hard for defenses to adjust. If I remember correctly the sports announcers said that while the Deuce Vaughn was great at giving us a running game, but Giddens and Ward were equaling the number of yards we had last year per game.
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I feel lucky to have guys like Giddens and Ward making runs. They have two different styles of runs which makes it hard for defenses to adjust. If I remember correctly the sports announcers said that while the Deuce Vaughn was great at giving us a running game, but Giddens and Ward were equaling the number of yards we had last year per game.
Yeah, announcers are for sure idiots. But I like both of our RBs fine.
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I really have enjoyed watching him run this year especially yesterday. I really haven't put my finger on why though? He's not deceptively fast or has a great burst? He doesn't really have tremendous "juke" ability? He waits for his blocks nicely and that's what I came away with. :dunno: (ftp://:dunno:)
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Giddens just seems to glide when running. His head is so still then just a twist of the hips gets him thru the hole. He puts you in a transe then snaps you out of it with a punishing hit on some poor db making the tackle.
Tom
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@stunted time to shine
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I feel lucky to have guys like Giddens and Ward making runs. They have two different styles of runs which makes it hard for defenses to adjust. If I remember correctly the sports announcers said that while the Deuce Vaughn was great at giving us a running game, but Giddens and Ward were equaling the number of yards we had last year per game.
Through 8 games comparison:
2022: 6-2 (5-1 B12)
Deuce: 154 rush, 902 yds (5.86 ypc), 5 TD.
23 rec, 130 yds, 1 TD.
Giddens: 38 rush, 228 yds, (6 ypc), 3 TD.
3 rec, 31 yds.
2023: 6-2 (5-1, B12)
Giddens: 116 rush, 722 yds (6.2 ypc), 7 TD.
21 rec, 240 yds, 1 TD
Ward: 87 rush, 458 yds (5.3 ypc), 3 TD.
13 rec, 104 yds, 2 TD.
Tandems:
2022: 192 rush, 1,030 yds (5.36 ypc), 8 TD.
26 rec, 161 yds, 1 TD.
2023: 203 rush, 1,180 yds (5.81 ypc), 10 TD
34 rec, 344 yds, 3 TD
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Giddens just seems to glide when running. His head is so still then just a twist of the hips gets him thru the hole. He puts you in a transe then snaps you out of it with a punishing hit on some poor db making the tackle.
Tom
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Perfectly stated tom
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Another funny thing is I, and I believe many others, see DJamer as a “big back” type of runner. Yet he’s only listed at 6-1 200 lbs.
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DJamer Glidens
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Btw, we already have a Super Stud Cat RB and JC Bluejay DJamer Giddens appreciation thread.
https://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=43785.msg2192860#msg2192860
Mods, plz merge this tread w/ the original super stud thread. Tia
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he is very hard to tackle.
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Stud
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He reminds me of the RB we had about 10 years ago, I can't remember his last name but his first name was John. The posters on this board and fans in general didn't give him the accolades he deserved, but he broke all kinds of records for a KSU RB. I think he followed our big back, D. Thomas. So Giddens may not get the attention due to him following Deuce Vaughn.
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DJamer Glidens
V good
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He reminds me of the RB we had about 10 years ago, I can't remember his last name but his first name was John. The posters on this board and fans in general didn't give him the accolades he deserved, but he broke all kinds of records for a KSU RB. I think he followed our big back, D. Thomas. So Giddens may not get the attention due to him following Deuce Vaughn.
Oh, you're thinking of Bryce Brown.
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Skin Ben, I think his name was John Hubert. Brown was a head case that in 2008 went to Tennessee.
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he's a better running back than deuce
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He's so damn good but not flashy. He scores TD's and just hands the ball to the official and sometimes hugs a teammate. Almost like he is unhappy and would rather be catfishin' or something.
He is awesome and I hope he is happy.
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I feel lucky to have guys like Giddens and Ward making runs. They have two different styles of runs which makes it hard for defenses to adjust. If I remember correctly the sports announcers said that while the Deuce Vaughn was great at giving us a running game, but Giddens and Ward were equaling the number of yards we had last year per game.
Through 8 games comparison:
2022: 6-2 (5-1 B12)
Deuce: 154 rush, 902 yds (5.86 ypc), 5 TD.
23 rec, 130 yds, 1 TD.
Giddens: 38 rush, 228 yds, (6 ypc), 3 TD.
3 rec, 31 yds.
2023: 6-2 (5-1, B12)
Giddens: 116 rush, 722 yds (6.2 ypc), 7 TD.
21 rec, 240 yds, 1 TD
Ward: 87 rush, 458 yds (5.3 ypc), 3 TD.
13 rec, 104 yds, 2 TD.
Tandems:
2022: 192 rush, 1,030 yds (5.36 ypc), 8 TD.
26 rec, 161 yds, 1 TD.
2023: 203 rush, 1,180 yds (5.81 ypc), 10 TD
34 rec, 344 yds, 3 TD
Those are some eye-popping numbers.
I feel like Giddens was in the very large shadow of Deuce Vaughn last year and Cat fans are focused on the biggest QB battle in KSU history this year.
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To answer the OP - idk
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I love DJamer he is great and he is very good at catching the ball too.
Maybe we don’t post much about him because no one posts much on this blog anymore in general. But I agree a higher percentage of our posts should be about DJamer Giddens. Something I need to work on, get a little better everyday.
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I love DJamer he is great and he is very good at catching the ball too.
Maybe we don’t post much about him because no one posts much on this blog anymore in general. But I agree a higher percentage of our posts should be about DJamer Giddens. Something I need to work on, get a little better everyday.
Post the article KK!
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DJamer is a very solid "Above average" RB and in CK's system he can put up good numbers but he's not on the sproles/Daniel Thomas/Deuce level of playmaker.
I think he is a great running back for our K S U Fighting Wild Wild Katz but he's probably going to go pro in something other than sports.
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DJamer is a very solid "Above average" RB and in CK's system he can put up good numbers but he's not on the sproles/Daniel Thomas/Deuce level of playmaker.
I think he is a great running back for our K S U Fighting Wild Wild Katz but he's probably going to go pro in something other than sports.
GTFO. DJamer has a much higher career ypc than either of those players and has had plenty of big plays.
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DJamer seems really good at YAC, but that is just an eye test thing and I don’t want to actually look it up.
I am pro DJamer getting the ball a bunch more.
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DJamer seems really good at YAC, but that is just an eye test thing and I don’t want to actually look it up.
I am pro DJamer getting the ball a bunch more.
I don't know the exact numbers, but he has better YAC than any of our other RBs.
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it's sproles 1, giddens 2 for me.
i really think the "big play" thing is overrated. it can be legit for some like that mizzou wr, tyreek, d'anthony thomas, sproles. but without elite speed or jukes a lot of it is blocking and luck. although some players can be a negative in the big play category. like harry trotter.
dylan "big play" edwards trash ass:
(https://i.gyazo.com/7ddef2d2016e08cb30f0bcc976323ea2.png)
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it's sproles 1, giddens 2 for me.
Daniel Thomas
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it's sproles 1, giddens 2 for me.
Daniel Thomas
I see some DT in the running style of DJamer.
1. Sproles
2.Thomas
3. Deuce
4. Scobey
5. Hickson
6. Hubert
How high can DJamer rise? Where does JJ Smith fall on the list?
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it's sproles 1, giddens 2 for me.
Daniel Thomas
I see some DT in the running style of DJamer.
1. Sproles
2.Thomas
3. Deuce
4. Scobey
5. Hickson
6. Hubert
How high can DJamer rise? Where does JJ Smith fall on the list?
DJamer reminds me more of Scobey
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I love when stunz stunz
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I love when stunz stunz
Dylan Edwards catching strays in the Giddens thread is awesome.
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the numbers don't lie, giddens is on track to being #2
there is no "stunzing" here
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I find the RB/QB pairings interesting. Usually, it's more speed on speed with Johnson/Ward and more power on power with Howard/Giddens. I get it but would also like to see some more Johnson/Giddens. Maybe it takes some of the sting out of making a mistake in the read option but I think it makes the defense think about between the tackles a little more too.
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Giddens may end up being better than Thomas and he may be right now (what do I know?) -- he had a few runs against UCF that were absolutely eye-popping.
But if you gave me the option of having 2010 Daniel Thomas this weekend against Texas, but DJamer can't play, I'm taking that.
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Go back and watch highlights of DT. He was a talent never before seen at KSU. He was our offense while here and carried an otherwise mediocre at best offense and a severely limited qb to success.
https://youtu.be/JAK-AcbF-f4?si=ZpCeugv4G4ghJtbf
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DT and Scobey both carried shitty offenses, both ran pretty upright, and both were pretty strong. I agree that Giddens fits that mold but also agree that he has a better OL and definitely has a better offense. It's tough to say he's better than those guys (at the moment) because the defense can't load up on him like they did the others.
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I'm not watching a DT vid. But if anyone has a Dylan Edwards sucking crap vid, they need to go ahead a post it.
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Go back and watch highlights of DT. He was a talent never before seen at KSU. He was our offense while here and carried an otherwise mediocre at best offense and a severely limited qb to success.
https://youtu.be/JAK-AcbF-f4?si=ZpCeugv4G4ghJtbf
Amazing DT was able to run as well as he did when that offense had no other weapons defenses needed to account for.
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Alex Barnes also belongs in this discussion - his junior year (1,300+ yards, 5.3 ypc, 12 TDs, 194 receiving yards) is better than any year anyone not named Sproles, Vaughn or Thomas produced. If he had stayed for his senior year and put up similar numbers, we'd likely be talking about him along with those other three as opposed to a clear notch below.
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Alex Barnes also belongs in this discussion - his junior year (1,300+ yards, 5.3 ypc, 12 TDs, 194 receiving yards) is better than any year anyone not named Sproles, Vaughn or Thomas produced. If he had stayed for his senior year and put up similar numbers, we'd likely be talking about him along with those other three as opposed to a clear notch below.
The last year he played for the Cats, my order number at VistaBurger after the game just happened to be #34.
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I never niches cared for Barnes.
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As I can see by what has been posted, I am absolutely correct when I noted that John Hubret was not given the credit he deserved. Here is the list of rushing records by the top RBs in KSU history.
1) Darren Sproles- 4,979
2) Deuce Vaughn- 3,604
3) John Hubert- 2,993
4) Daniel Thomas- 2,850
5) QB, Ell Roberson-2,818
6) Alex Barnes- 2,616
7) Eric Hickson- 2,537
8) QB, Collin Klein- 2,485
If you use Mocat math, you can see the CK/JH combo was the highest combo. Don't know why Hubert doesn't get the attention that the other RBs get.
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I love Hubert and think he was a good rb. He is not among the top 3 backs at K-State imo. Probably to 6 or 7ish. You’re right that he didn’t get the credit he deserved (even though he was first team all conference).
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You're absolutely correct that Huber is overlooked katdaddy. After further consideration I'd put him on the Mt. Rushmore of KSU RBs from Snyder 1.0 onward.
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Hubot had some big moments on an all time great ksu team
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switch barnes and hubes teams and i bet barnes would get a ton more love.
underrated runningback? james johnson
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Go back and watch highlights of DT. He was a talent never before seen at KSU. He was our offense while here and carried an otherwise mediocre at best offense and a severely limited qb to success.
https://youtu.be/JAK-AcbF-f4?si=ZpCeugv4G4ghJtbf
Amazing DT was able to run as well as he did when that offense had no other weapons defenses needed to account for.
What’s equally amazing is how far live sports productions have come and how fast time goes when you’re older. I feel like DT was just a few seasons ago but if I had seen those highlights without any names or numbers I probably would’ve guessed they were from the 90s.
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Fun fact: Each of the following RBs averaged 5.3 yards per carry in their final season as a Wildcat.
Darren Sproles
Daniel Thomas
John Hubert
Deuce Vaughn
Josh Scobey
Alex Barnes
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guess who?
(https://i.gyazo.com/fcaffa5106c15574bf98941c5dc7dd53.png)
if he had played more seasons and not played under prince, he could have been up there
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guess who?
(https://i.gyazo.com/fcaffa5106c15574bf98941c5dc7dd53.png)
if he had played more seasons and not played under prince, he could have been up there
Gotta be James Johnson
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So secretive we can't even see the column headers :lol:
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Here’s some love - will and Avery steal top billing but Giddens steals the show
Whorns know
https://www.burntorangenation.com/2023/11/1/23942000/texas-longhorns-kansas-state-wildcats-preview-will-howard-avery-johnson
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I'm not watching a DT vid. But if anyone has a Dylan Edwards sucking crap vid, they need to go ahead a post it.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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guess who?
(https://i.gyazo.com/fcaffa5106c15574bf98941c5dc7dd53.png)
if he had played more seasons and not played under prince, he could have been up there
LEON PATTON
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guess who?
(https://i.gyazo.com/fcaffa5106c15574bf98941c5dc7dd53.png)
if he had played more seasons and not played under prince, he could have been up there
LEON PATTON
He wouldn’t have been a senior in 07
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Joe Hall had 4-5 pretty stellar games at K-State...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brAgEp9tfxM
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Go back and watch highlights of DT. He was a talent never before seen at KSU. He was our offense while here and carried an otherwise mediocre at best offense and a severely limited qb to success.
https://youtu.be/JAK-AcbF-f4?si=ZpCeugv4G4ghJtbf
Hey, let's leave the Queso slander out of this or there will be chips and dips flying everywhere.
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Joe Hall had 4-5 pretty stellar games at K-State...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brAgEp9tfxM
deceptively shifty
great soundtrack
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Go back and watch highlights of DT. He was a talent never before seen at KSU. He was our offense while here and carried an otherwise mediocre at best offense and a severely limited qb to success.
https://youtu.be/JAK-AcbF-f4?si=ZpCeugv4G4ghJtbf
sorry but DT does not look all that great based on those clips. Definitely not any better than Giddens
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Go back and watch highlights of DT. He was a talent never before seen at KSU. He was our offense while here and carried an otherwise mediocre at best offense and a severely limited qb to success.
https://youtu.be/JAK-AcbF-f4?si=ZpCeugv4G4ghJtbf
sorry but DT does not look all that great based on those clips. Definitely not any better than Giddens
Might have been a fever dream, but didn't DT once score a passing TD on a jump pass in the end zone against Texas? Vaguely remember being there absolutely hammered.
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Kwamaine Brown! Greatest to never do it
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Go back and watch highlights of DT. He was a talent never before seen at KSU. He was our offense while here and carried an otherwise mediocre at best offense and a severely limited qb to success.
https://youtu.be/JAK-AcbF-f4?si=ZpCeugv4G4ghJtbf
sorry but DT does not look all that great based on those clips. Definitely not any better than Giddens
DT and giddens have different roles imo. DT was essentially the sole, workhorse RB. In 2010, DT had 9 games where he carried the ball 20+ times. In two of those games, he carried it 34+ times. In DJamer's career, he's had more than 16 carries one time (30 against UCF this season). We all love Carsy, but our offense was highly DT-centric.
Highlights of DT don't really do him justice, imo. Because he wasn't really a highlight running back. Looking back, his wildcat sets (which we ran quite a bit with him) were probably a precursor to the Klein offense. Would be fun to hear Klein, Snyder and Dimel chat about that. But his brutal effect was pretty similar to Klein's -- DT had that ability where he would turn what should have been a 0 yard gain into a 2 yard gain. Or a 3 yard gain into a 7 yard gain. Just a brutal drip drip drip of grabing a handful of yards beyond expected. Didn't really have the speed to bust off the eye-popping 30+ yarders very often, but had the brutal consistency to frustratingly maul teams down the field. Not to mention, he was running behind an offensive line that wasn't particularly ballyhoo'd.
Wow suggesting the CK QB-Power oriented offense was an evolution of the DT wildcat offense is a very astute point that will create shockwaves around the broader scholarship of K-State Football theory. This is revolutionary.
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Go back and watch highlights of DT. He was a talent never before seen at KSU. He was our offense while here and carried an otherwise mediocre at best offense and a severely limited qb to success.
https://youtu.be/JAK-AcbF-f4?si=ZpCeugv4G4ghJtbf
Hey, let's leave the Queso slander out of this or there will be chips and dips flying everywhere.
Tbf to ccq, I was mostly thinking of Grant G.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFpxHkR0PEQ
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Go back and watch highlights of DT. He was a talent never before seen at KSU. He was our offense while here and carried an otherwise mediocre at best offense and a severely limited qb to success.
https://youtu.be/JAK-AcbF-f4?si=ZpCeugv4G4ghJtbf
sorry but DT does not look all that great based on those clips. Definitely not any better than Giddens
DT and giddens have different roles imo. DT was essentially the sole, workhorse RB. In 2010, DT had 9 games where he carried the ball 20+ times. In two of those games, he carried it 34+ times. In DJamer's career, he's had more than 16 carries one time (30 against UCF this season). We all love Carsy, but our offense was highly DT-centric.
Highlights of DT don't really do him justice, imo. Because he wasn't really a highlight running back. Looking back, his wildcat sets (which we ran quite a bit with him) were probably a precursor to the Klein offense. Would be fun to hear Klein, Snyder and Dimel chat about that. But his brutal effect was pretty similar to Klein's -- DT had that ability where he would turn what should have been a 0 yard gain into a 2 yard gain. Or a 3 yard gain into a 7 yard gain. Just a brutal drip drip drip of grabing a handful of yards beyond expected. Didn't really have the speed to bust off the eye-popping 30+ yarders very often, but had the brutal consistency to frustratingly maul teams down the field. Not to mention, he was running behind an offensive line that wasn't particularly ballyhoo'd.
Wow suggesting the CK QB-Power oriented offense was an evolution of the DT wildcat offense is a very astute point that will create shockwaves around the broader scholarship of K-State Football theory. This is revolutionary.
What a contribution to this thread DQ.
Agree that DT’s game doesn’t lend itself to “traditional” highlight type runs. The type runs you’re mentioning are the type I felt the DT vid did a good job of showcasing.
When I compared DJamer (who this thread is about! Why are we using this one instead of the one I made, which is has a much cooler title imo), to DT it was because I see some the same wiggle and end of run strength/punishment I saw in DT.
To be compared to DT is a huge compliment to DJamer imo.
I don’t think he looks much like Scobey, as I remember Scobey as a one-cut back with pretty good strength and straight-line speed.
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I said I was basing it on the clips!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFpxHkR0PEQ
That's the one!
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Being a complete dumbass and probably an obsession for the next great duel threat, I always hung onto the fact that DT played some QB in JUCO and thought there was a chance he'd come in and play QB or an even deeper playbook of wildcat formation and it would be amazing. Still was p. great.
What a stud.
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Being a complete dumbass and probably an obsession for the next great duel threat, I always hung onto the fact that DT played some QB in JUCO and thought there was a chance he'd come in and play QB or an even deeper playbook of wildcat formation and it would be amazing. Still was p. great.
What a stud.
Didn't coach Ronnie sign him with the intention of making him a qb?
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The fact that we can’t decide who the best 2.5-10 running backs in ksu history shows how overrated the position is. It’s sproles 1, Johnson/Giddens 2, and everyone else
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6.4 ypc on a prince team is wild
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But anyways wgaf, nfl already proves it means basically nothing.
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My rule of thumb is that 90% of running backs are basically fungible. 5% at the top and 5% at the bottom. Give or take.
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I have very little concept of what makes a good RB outside of stats. It is interesting though when it seems like one guy seemingly happens to get a lot more running room than others in a backfield. Seems like there’s a lot going on that doesn’t get much attention on the play by play unless it’s a big gain or big loss.
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You gotta pay attention to the "wiggle" is what we old ball coaches say.
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Joe Hall had 4-5 pretty stellar games at K-State...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brAgEp9tfxM
Aaaahhhh! The Nick, Vic, and Thick backfield was fun as hell.
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You gotta pay attention to the "wiggle" is what we old ball coaches say.
Indeed.
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You gotta pay attention to the "wiggle" is what we old ball coaches say.
Indeed.
My son's HS coach always said that the RB needs to "spin-off" tackles. I noticed Decuse would spin off tackles quite a bit during his break-free type runs.
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My rule of thumb is that 90% of running backs are basically fungible. 5% at the top and 5% at the bottom. Give or take.
this sounds accurate. they're all pretty fast, strong, have some wiggle, have 2 eyes and can see when there is space in front of them. maybe it's the little things like blocking and catching the ball that is more important.
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Joe Hall had 4-5 pretty stellar games at K-State...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brAgEp9tfxM
Aaaahhhh! The Nick, Vic, and Thick backfield was fun as hell.
I am too young to fully remember Joe Hall but watching those highlights he looks like a pulling guard who was handed the ball then BOOM....Did not expect such a burst from an athlete with a gut.
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Joe was fun but wasn’t actually good. Obviously the novelty of a fat guy RB was good and pure. But I don’t think he ever made a play in his career that some non fat guy RB wouldn’t have made and probably made better.
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He made a spinning one hand catch in the flat that was jaw dropping for a guy his size. I believe it was against NU at home.
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the real hidden gem of ksu rbs was Rock Cartwright not Hall
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Let’s get back to Giddens talk fellas. I got a feeling he’s gonna have a pretty good day.
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Let’s get back to Giddens talk fellas. I got a feeling he’s gonna have a pretty good day.
We'll be talking about him being a 1,000 yard back sooner than later.
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Tried to find the original post of it, but this is all I can find. I love DJamer.
https://twitter.com/EMAWCaleb/status/1726248098098249849
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Let’s get back to Giddens talk fellas. I got a feeling he’s gonna have a pretty good day.
We'll be talking about him being a 1,000 yard back sooner than later.
Why wait to have that convo?
https://www.espn.com/college-football/team/stats/_/id/2306
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Joe was fun but wasn’t actually good. Obviously the novelty of a fat guy RB was good and pure. But I don’t think he ever made a play in his career that some non fat guy RB wouldn’t have made and probably made better.
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Pretty sure he got drafted in the NFL as a fullback. When they played him preseason, they laughed at him insisting on playing running back. Can't remember if he got to play RB and I don't think he made it to season play.
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To answer OP, idk but he really should be. Probably our best offensive player right now.
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It feels unfair that a 215lb man moves like that. I don't think I've ever seen him go down from a hit above the waist.
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DJamer Glidens
Let's bring it back
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Freak and Stud level 10/10.
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I mean, the announcers both agreed he’s going to the league.
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He’s very good and my favorite and also my guy
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Must be jelly cause jam don't shake like that
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Must be jelly cause jam don't shake like that
And people have the nerve to complain about Mark Jones
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Love DJamer, he's fun to watch.
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7.3 ypc vs colorado, just an average game
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It feels unfair that a 215lb man moves like that. I don't think I've ever seen him go down from a hit above the waist.
https://youtu.be/RCMyBMYwO1Y?si=DEAY_9lObVy0TcaA&t=114
all the highlights are him sniping shilo's ankles, but this juke was also nasty
**on another watch he made shilo fall on this play as well :lol:
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Not talked about more because we refuse to give him the ball the appropriate number of times (100+ per game)
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Must be jelly cause jam don't shake like that
Was so rough ridin' funny I loved it
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Watching Shilo just completely break down and drop to his knees is absolutely going on the highlight reel.
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DJamer just imposes his will game after game.
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Watching Shilo just completely break down and drop to his knees is absolutely going on the highlight reel.
That was the best. I also enjoyed the one where Shilo smacked DJamer but failed to wrap up and DJamer just rolled off and kept chugging.
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Watching Shilo just completely break down and drop to his knees is absolutely going on the highlight reel.
That was the best. I also enjoyed the one where Shilo smacked DJamer but failed to wrap up and DJamer just rolled off and kept chugging.
I think I liked that one more.
He’s 4th in the nation in rushing yards btw
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Must be jelly cause jam don't shake like that
And people have the nerve to complain about Mark Jones
yts
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https://www.instagram.com/reel/DBE2bX1S0cn/?igsh=MWliZDltY3M1d2ZiMg==
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https://www.instagram.com/reel/DBE2bX1S0cn/?igsh=MWliZDltY3M1d2ZiMg==
:lol: :lol: Holy Crap :lol: :lol:
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Simple ankle tweak or something more? A few holes and DJamer gives us a bright spot on a cloudy day.
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Simple ankle tweak or something more? A few holes and DJamer gives us a bright spot on a cloudy day.
You son of a bitch how dare you bump this thread based on this.
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I love DJamer! His running in the 2nd half was the best part of the game for me!
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Not to crap in anyone's Cheerios but they went from stacking the box to essentially playing prevent once they got to 24. Those second half yards were hollow as hell.
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Is this the thread where someone said there was not going to be a drop-off from Deuce leaving?
Love DJamer but it's crazy how valuable it is to have a guy who can turn an average play into an improbable touchdown like Deuce could
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Is this the thread where someone said there was not going to be a drop-off from Deuce leaving?
Love DJamer but it's crazy how valuable it is to have a guy who can turn an average play into an improbable touchdown like Deuce could
Running behind Beebe kinda helps too
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Is this the thread where someone said there was not going to be a drop-off from Deuce leaving?
Love DJamer but it's crazy how valuable it is to have a guy who can turn an average play into an improbable touchdown like Deuce could
Running behind Beebe kinda helps too
100%, I think the OL is a bigger issue but man Deuce could do crazy things in space that could cover up a lot of deficiencies elsewhere
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Small and inexperienced oline doing small and inexperienced oline things imo
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I can't refute the small part but they definitely aren't inexperienced.
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I can't refute the small part but they definitely aren't inexperienced.
Yep. But we know they were backups for a reason. Relying on 5th year players who couldn't crack the starting lineup was probably the tell, but I get hoping they would be good based on who they previously backed up.
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I can't refute the small part but they definitely aren't inexperienced.
Yep. But we know they were backups for a reason. Relying on 5th year players who couldn't crack the starting lineup was probably the tell, but I get hoping they would be good based on who they previously backed up.
Kilty was one of the most sought after left tackles in the portal last off season.
Panzer started last year
Portier started last year
Willis was the starter at RT much of 2023 and played a ton of snaps in 2022.
Hecht- token Riley former walkon center (hasn't been worse than his predecessor.)
Riley has them lighter than they should be (imo) to be effective pullers I guess. Losing two nfl caliber OL off last years team certainly doesn't help.
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Has anyone noticed how many great runs and TDs were called back due to OL mistakes?
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Has anyone noticed how many great runs and TDs were called back due to OL mistakes?
Leingang negating that long TD pass to Cephas by being like 10 yards upfield was absolute nonsense, easily the dumbest penalty of the year
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It seems that many TD runs and a few passes were called back due to offensive offsides or holding from the OL.
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False starts can't cause a play to be called back but yeah, generally I know what you mean, that o line seems to commit a ton of penalties, especially on the road.
KT used to be a freaking penalty machine, but he and the coaches got that cleaned up really nicely his last two seasons.
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I can't refute the small part but they definitely aren't inexperienced.
Yep. But we know they were backups for a reason. Relying on 5th year players who couldn't crack the starting lineup was probably the tell, but I get hoping they would be good based on who they previously backed up.
This was kind of my point.
Also think that defenses have figured Riley out and he doesn’t have an answer. That first half performance off of the bye was pretty damning
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I can't refute the small part but they definitely aren't inexperienced.
Yep. But we know they were backups for a reason. Relying on 5th year players who couldn't crack the starting lineup was probably the tell, but I get hoping they would be good based on who they previously backed up.
This was kind of my point.
Also think that defenses have figured Riley out and he doesn’t have an answer. That first half performance off of the bye was pretty damning
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I think a serious conversation needs to be had as to whether you can be the offensive line coach and the o coordinator, at the same time. Barring a total collapse, I think he'll get at least one more season, but I think the combo of kind of dull play calling coupled with all of the o line mistakes that pappy pointed out, is real concerning.
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This is why you bump this thread for those not in the know
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I'm sure it's just a coincidence, DJamer is more effective when we also attack the edge.
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Random Musing: Does DJamer go pro after this year or does he come back for a chance at breaking Sproles rushing record? I don't know much about his family so I'm not sure if he has an EMAW heart like Lockett/Avery/Jordy/etc where he grew up rooting for the Katz or if he is just a kid who grew up in KS.
- From a quick google search it looks like he is going to be around a 5th round draft pick if he left this year. He lacks the breakaway speed elite RB's need in the NFL but he could basically be Kareem Hunt but 10 years younger. Just rip off 10-25 yard plays and catch passes.
- Do we drop a huge NIL bag on him to stay or just an average bag? We have Edwards and Jackson who both look like they could step right in and provide a similar production....Remember Klieman's first year when Harry Trotter was a decent RB for us?!?
- I love how low key DJamer is, he seem's like he's just really good at playing football but if all things were equal and he could get a NIL bag and recognition for going cat fishing he would totally do that too.
In summary I hope he comes back and gets a NIL bag from Bass Pro Shops.
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He will probably go pro, though I would greatly enjoy another season of rooting for him as a Cat. It would just be really tough to improve on what he has already showcased at KSU.
I think we’re in good hands with Jackson, and Edwards is an added bonus. I’d be a lot more nervous if we didn’t have Jackson. Imo Edwards is not a feature back in any way, shape or form, though he is a nice weapon.
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He should stick around and learn how to block. His weakness on at that is going to hurt him in the draft/pros.
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FWIW, both the Athletic's draft guru and PFF have Giddens as a top 100 player, which is pretty good considering this is considered to be a deep draft for RBs.
If he's truly a 3rd-4th round pick, it's hard to see him improving significantly to the point where he was rated in the 1st-2nd round (even if the draft next year is weaker for RBs).
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Where do you rank DJamer all-time among KSU running backs?
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He will probably go pro, though I would greatly enjoy another season of rooting for him as a Cat. It would just be really tough to improve on what he has already showcased at KSU.
I think we’re in good hands with Jackson, and Edwards is an added bonus. I’d be a lot more nervous if we didn’t have Jackson. Imo Edwards is not a feature back in any way, shape or form, though he is a nice weapon.
Edwards is a CEH style RB. He's a great weapon if used right but yeah, not a every down guy.
Where do you rank DJamer all-time among KSU running backs?
That's tough, He's great, and I love him, but he's at least behind Sproles, Scoby, Thomas, Hubert, and Deuce. I'm sure there are a few more. He's probably a fringe top 10.
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Come on - Giddens is better than Hubert (and it's not particularly close).
Last 30 years (not old enough to know about old timers beyond that)
1.Sproles
2.Vaughn
3.Thomas
4.Giddens
5.Barnes (behind only Sproles & Giddens in ypc)
6.Scobey
7.Hubert
8.Johnson
9.Hickson
10.Smith
Just missed: Lawrence, Gallon
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Come on - Giddens is better than Hubert (and it's not particularly close).
Last 30 years (not old enough to know about old timers beyond that)
1.Sproles
2.Vaughn
3.Thomas
4.Giddens
5.Barnes (behind only Sproles & Giddens in ypc)
6.Scobey
7.Hubert
8.Johnson
9.Hickson
10.Smith
Just missed: Lawrence, Gallon
This looks about right to me. It would have been interesting to see Daniel Thomas and Alex Barnes play in offenses that made defenses account for a more robust passing game.
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I'd take DT over Deuce. I SAID WHAT I SAID!
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I'd take DT over Deuce. I SAID WHAT I SAID!
If he had played 3 years, I think that'd be a near unanimous opinion
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Random Musing: Does DJamer go pro after this year or does he come back for a chance at breaking Sproles rushing record? I don't know much about his family so I'm not sure if he has an EMAW heart like Lockett/Avery/Jordy/etc where he grew up rooting for the Katz or if he is just a kid who grew up in KS.
Jordy grew up a squawk. Which makes it extra hilarious that he walked on here, because I'm assuming that means that KU wouldn't even let him walk on.
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I'd take DT over Deuce. I SAID WHAT I SAID!
If I've said it once, I've said it 100 times. DT getting fed over and over during 4Q of the 2009 KU game is one of my all-time favorite KSU football memories.
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I'd take DT over Deuce. I SAID WHAT I SAID!
Same.
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Ranking Hubert over DJamer is koo koo. DJamer is a much better and more complete back.
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I feel definitive that Sproles is Tier 1 by himself, then Tier 2 has Giddens, Vaughn and Thomas. And the distance between Tier 1 and Tier 2 is smaller than the distance between Tier 2 and Tier 3.
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Rushmore tier - Sproles, Thomas, Vaughn, Giddens
And there is some pretty good separation of these guys to those fourth down the list.
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I feel definitive that Sproles is Tier 1 by himself, then Tier 2 has Giddens, Vaughn and Thomas. And the distance between Tier 1 and Tier 2 is smaller than the distance between Tier 2 and Tier 3.
Pretty much this. Go back and look at Sproles’ game logs. Little Tank wasn’t just a nickname.
I actually think Dan Thomas was far more valuable than his statistics show, and he had pretty good stats too. Like, if you put him on any of our best teams, aside from maybe Sproles years that team be even better.
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Hubert was basically TEMU Sproles/Vaughn.
1. Sproles
2. Duece
3. DT
4. Giddens (if he comes back he can easily pass DT and maybe Duece)
5. Hubert
WGAF after that.
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Scobey you idiot
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Kinda crazy how sproles achieved god-tier status his junior year and then his senior year honestly kinda sucked. Or at the very least it didn’t come anywhere close to equaling what he did as a jr, let alone building on it.
If memory serves I think he was the preseason front runner for the heisman and was completely out of the conversation before the end of September. We were also incredibly bad his senior year so that all makes perfect sense.
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Kinda crazy how sproles achieved god-tier status his junior year and then his senior year honestly kinda sucked. Or at the very least it didn’t come anywhere close to equaling what he did as a jr, let alone building on it.
If memory serves I think he was the preseason front runner for the heisman and was completely out of the conversation before the end of September. We were also incredibly bad his senior year so that all makes perfect sense.
Having a Roberson in the backfield is a hell of an advantage
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also we let Sproles learn to field punts his sr year. it sucked to watch as a fan at the time but was proved to be the right call in the long run.
Darren went on to record the 6th most all purpose yards in the history of the NFL and the punts he dropped and misplayed in 04 did not really matter because the Defense was a disaster.
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I'd take DT over Deuce. I SAID WHAT I SAID!
If he had played 3 years, I think that'd be a near unanimous opinion
I don't think so, man. I'll give Deuce the edge because of his pass catching and return prowess DT was great, but is there anything at all that he did better than Deuce? I think y'all are giving Deuce short guy demerits.
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Kinda crazy how sproles achieved god-tier status his junior year and then his senior year honestly kinda sucked. Or at the very least it didn’t come anywhere close to equaling what he did as a jr, let alone building on it.
If memory serves I think he was the preseason front runner for the heisman and was completely out of the conversation before the end of September. We were also incredibly bad his senior year so that all makes perfect sense.
This usually happens to RBs when the OL is dog crap.
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DT turned 2 yard gains into hard-fought 6 yard gains, Deuce turned 2 yard losses into ridiculous touchdowns
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Wasn't he the biggest RB besides fat Hall on LHCBS teams?
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Kinda crazy how sproles achieved god-tier status his junior year and then his senior year honestly kinda sucked. Or at the very least it didn’t come anywhere close to equaling what he did as a jr, let alone building on it.
If memory serves I think he was the preseason front runner for the heisman and was completely out of the conversation before the end of September. We were also incredibly bad his senior year so that all makes perfect sense.
Having a Roberson in the backfield is a hell of an advantage
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The offensive line was also completely rebuilt and was ass. Those '04 and '05 teams were terrible, far worse than his team in '18.
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I'd take DT over Deuce. I SAID WHAT I SAID!
If he had played 3 years, I think that'd be a near unanimous opinion
I don't think so, man. I'll give Deuce the edge because of his pass catching and return prowess DT was great, but is there anything at all that he did better than Deuce? I think y'all are giving Deuce short guy demerits.
3rd and short, I trust DT to get the first down more than Deuce. I would also take DT late game with the lead, trying to kill the clock. Any other situation, I would rather have Deuce.
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DT also was good at running the Wildcat. Deuce got Messingham fired running it against UT.
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So are we gonna talk about DJamer ITT or not?
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So are we gonna talk about DJamer ITT or not?
Great season. I don't think he'll get a great draft grade but I also don't think he feels like he's enamored with college football.
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So are we gonna talk about DJamer ITT or not?
Great season. I don't think he'll get a great draft grade but I also don't think he feels like he's enamored with college football.
I don’t know if his enamored by much at all, except maybe fishing. I love him, and would love for him to to come back another year and maybe hone his pass pro a bit more, but going to the league is totally reasonable. I wonder how much he’s getting in NIL.
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Also, the fact that we’ve only found a way to scheme him 7 rushing touchdowns this season chaps my ass.
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Also, the fact that we’ve only found a way to scheme him 7 rushing touchdowns this season chaps my ass.
I will say, identifying him and developing him is like, my favorite thing about k-state and being a k-state fan. It's not like everyone was lining up to sign him. Pretty awesome crap.