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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: Pete on May 13, 2023, 09:23:50 PM
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I'd kill a drifter to have a party that was completely centrist. I want a party that simply says "what's the lesser evil," and then deals to get that done. I am willing to give up anything in a deal to get things done that on balance make things better for everyone...gun control, abortion, taxes, defense spending....Make me an offer! I'll compromise on anything if the net benefit helps humans more.
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Again?
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I think so. The noisy people will claim they suck, but they’ll know inside. Ben Sasse is available I think.
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Again?
Fair point. But the question remains.
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I'd kill a drifter to have a party that was completely centrist. I want a party that simply says "what's the lesser evil," and then deals to get that done. I am willing to give up anything in a deal to get things done that on balance make things better for everyone...gun control, abortion, taxes, defense spending....Make me an offer! I'll compromise on anything if the net benefit helps humans more.
No it isn't possible...at least not for the time being. Until the fever breaks in MAGA land where we go back to elections where the danger is minor if the opposing party wins (Clinton vs Dole) where no matter what we'll be fine it's not possible. The problem with the 3rd party dream is that you're not pulling off the extremes you are pulling from the people who say they're centrist right now. The MAGA verse will do whatever it takes to get MAGA back...to include celebrating a traitor leaker who is a white supremacist, you have a sitting Senator defending White Nationalists currently.....the danger of that 3rd party is it pulls from Centrist Democrats, or soft independents that would elsewise support the Democrats. So the action here is MAGA (which is a parasite) to which will get 45% of the vote no matter what, Democrat (they may make you mad that is fine but they're not throwing an insurrection because they lost) have a ceiling of their own of about 47%, or 3rd Party, which has about 8% of the population willing to do that vote...This because of the Electoral College insures the MAGA party wins because their people aren't going to defect no matter what.
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Centrist things don’t really draw lots of passionate support. Indifference is arguably a big characteristic of most centrists.
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Centrist things don’t really draw lots of passionate support. Indifference is arguably a big characteristic of most centrists.
Yeah getting a passionate centrist base is the key and also exactly why this has never happened.
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Pete, what are a few of the Democrats positions you find the most extreme?
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Pete, what are a few of the Democrats positions you find the most extreme?
It’s not as much that I find any of them so extreme that they put me off, it’s that I find myself unwilling to fight for them.
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Centrist things don’t really draw lots of passionate support. Indifference is arguably a big characteristic of most centrists.
Yeah getting a passionate centrist base is the key and also exactly why this has never happened.
Obama, but he was great at convincing people he wasn't a centrist
And Pete, liberal Democrats who control the party are the centrists
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Pete, what are a few of the Democrats positions you find the most extreme?
It’s not as much that I find any of them so extreme that they put me off, it’s that I find myself unwilling to fight for them.
I’ve never met you so I don’t know for sure, but wild guess: you’re a white male?
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How dare you
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:lol:
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Not possible. 85 million voted for a sexual predator segregationist racist grifting war monger who is controlled by the weirdest collection of Uber neocons, virtue signaling Wall Street mega banks, far left dark money, fascistic control freaks and neoliberal progressives ever assembled and apparently a substantial portion of the country are all for it.
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Centrist things don’t really draw lots of passionate support. Indifference is arguably a big characteristic of most centrists.
Yeah getting a passionate centrist base is the key and also exactly why this has never happened.
Obama, but he was great at convincing people he wasn't a centrist
And Pete, liberal Democrats who control the party are the centrists
Policy wise I think that’s fair, but Obama didn’t get people horned up over policy.
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Not possible. 85 million voted for a sexual predator segregationist racist grifting war monger who is controlled by the weirdest collection of Uber neocons, virtue signaling Wall Street mega banks, far left dark money, fascistic control freaks and neoliberal progressives ever assembled and apparently a substantial portion of the country are all for it.
Dax, have you considered cleaning up your writing style? It's just really annoying to read your posts, and I don't want to put you on ignore (that's weak). Focus on short, declarative sentences. Reading Hemingway might help.
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lol, the democrats are centrist a.f. What policies have the democrats advanced in the last 20 years that are left of the mainstream? List them here
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If you define centrist as some sort of average between political parties, then no there will never be a successful centrist party because of math.
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lol, the democrats are centrist a.f. What policies have the democrats advanced in the last 20 years that are left of the mainstream? List them here
This is also true, the Republicans moved their 40 yard line to somewhere a mile away. Whereas the Democrats are roughly the same party they’ve been since 1992
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lol, the democrats are centrist a.f. What policies have the democrats advanced in the last 20 years that are left of the mainstream? List them here
As someone who considers themselves a staunch centrist, I would be equally comfortable being labeled a staunch competent Democrat. In either case it seems like fantasyland at this point.
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If you define centrist as some sort of average between political parties, then no there will never be a successful centrist party because of math.
I agree. Upon reflection, I should have said “will we ever have a party that is totally OK with just making compromises and deals to get things done.” As someone pointed out, we might have had that for a while after Nixon, but it didn’t last very long.
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If you define centrist as some sort of average between political parties, then no there will never be a successful centrist party because of math.
I agree. Upon reflection, I should have said “will we ever have a party that is totally OK with just making compromises and deals to get things done.” As someone pointed out, we might have had that for a while after Nixon, but it didn’t last very long.
Again, then democrats have been doing this, to their detriment from the start. It's why we have shitty Obamacare instead of single payer health care. He could have pretty easily done that his first two years in office. It's why we have a stacked conservative court. It's also why Roe vs. Wade and the Voter's Rights Act is gone. It's why we don't have any significant gun legislation. The Dems could have done all this and more the first two years of Biden's term, but they didn't because they continue to insist on trying to play ball with the republicans no matter how often they've been burned.
They continue to do these things to get mushed, exclusively to appear to centrist despite their actual platform, and despite republicans continued unwillingness to work with them. Republicans have moved right for electibility, dems have stayed in the middle for the same reason, they want to take advantage of the republicans who have supposedly been left behind. They've tried this since the Reagan Administration.
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Who doesn’t have the right to vote in the United States? Besides people that are too young.
Oh wait, being ‘denied’ the right to vote really means being denied the non right to participate in a voting methodology free-for-all crap show with no accountability or rules. NVM
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lol, the democrats are centrist a.f. What policies have the democrats advanced in the last 20 years that are left of the mainstream? List them here
This is also true, the Republicans moved their 40 yard line to somewhere a mile away. Whereas the Democrats are roughly the same party they’ve been since 1992
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I agree that a massive obstacle to progress in this country is that the GOP is chained to a collection of “single issue voters.” That’s the enormous downside of their big tent approach.
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Pete, what are a few of the Democrats positions you find the most extreme?
It’s not as much that I find any of them so extreme that they put me off, it’s that I find myself unwilling to fight for them.
I’ve never met you so I don’t know for sure, but wild guess: you’re a white male?
I think it’s pretty racist of you to assume that minorities and females are not capable of having the reasonable world view that I have espoused in this thread!
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Who doesn’t have the right to vote in the United States? Besides people that are too young.
Oh wait, being ‘denied’ the right to vote really means being denied the non right to participate in a voting methodology free-for-all crap show with no accountability or rules. NVM
Did you mean to post this somewhere else? Not a single person said or even hinted anything about anyone being denied the right to vote. A very common refrain here, but what are you even talking about?
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lol, the democrats are centrist a.f. What policies have the democrats advanced in the last 20 years that are left of the mainstream? List them here
This is also true, the Republicans moved their 40 yard line to somewhere a mile away. Whereas the Democrats are roughly the same party they’ve been since 1992
FWIW, here are the 1992 Republican and Democrat platforms. Kind of interesting to see where the parties were ~ 30 years ago:
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/republican-party-platform-1992
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/1992-democratic-party-platform
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https://twitter.com/JaxAlemany/status/1710061969460416625
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Biden just approved more wall building and deporting illegal immigrants so if it could ever work we're about to find out
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#blueanon (numbering in the tens of millions) is far too radicalized to ever allow a centrist majority in the United States
#blueanon - absolutely insane on domestic social issues, economy destroying financial and energy policies, nation killing immigration policies, perpetual war and adversarial all across the foreign policy fronts - “diplomacy” is dead and threats and destabilization thrives in the world of #blueanon foreign policy
#sad
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If the stupid mods don’t bug out and make their own party in these circumstances to force the speaker to make effectively a coalition government then it will never happen. But in reality a speaker can’t really promise anything. That was McCarthy’s problem but with the senate and a president you can’t really do crap even if you want to.
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https://twitter.com/AndrewSolender/status/1712807569570361852
Looking better by the day
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The far left is confronting antisemitism in its ranks, and the far right is becoming even more fascist (e.g. house speaker saga).
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The far left is confronting antisemitism in its ranks, and the far right is becoming even more fascist (e.g. house speaker saga).
History repeats itself, Pete. This is no different than a million other times in history.
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Most are either too stupid to realize this or don't even bother to know this is just a cycle that repeats, probably because they are too stupid anyways.
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The far left is confronting antisemitism in its ranks
Certainly you're talking about regular people and not a politician of any influence at all, right?