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Title: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on March 06, 2023, 07:44:20 PM
Do you think something will pass the the Turing test (30% of human testers think it’s human) consistently in our lifetime?  Or put differently, do you think I’m our lifetime we will have social issues about the rights of artificial life?
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on March 06, 2023, 08:01:14 PM
My biggest concern about AI is the potential for like, literally nothing to be reliable evidence of anything. Like any photo, audio, video, video with audio…all of it could seem so real but it’s just uncanny deep fakes. The propaganda potential is terrifying. And like procedurally in a court of law…seems like just about anything other than DNA evidence could be argued  that it was AI generated bc there would be no means of authentication. To me this is equally as scary from the standpoint of opportunistic defense attorneys trying to create reasonable doubt, but also innocent people being framed bc of really good AI
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: DaBigTrain on March 06, 2023, 08:04:00 PM
We already have stuff passing the turing test. It's really not a good measure though to determine if something is really good. There are so many other factors in it. I think tho that we are on the cusp of something. ChatGPT was like a bomb going off and we will probably see an absolute explosion in it during the next couple of years.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: sys on March 06, 2023, 08:09:06 PM
do you think I’m our lifetime we will have social issues about the rights of artificial life?

no.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on March 06, 2023, 08:11:35 PM
I just hope they abide by the first law of robots which is: their eyes have to turn red before they do anything evil
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Spracne on March 06, 2023, 08:13:17 PM
My biggest concern about AI is the potential for like, literally nothing to be reliable evidence of anything. Like any photo, audio, video, video with audio…all of it could seem so real but it’s just uncanny deep fakes. The propaganda potential is terrifying. And like procedurally in a court of law…seems like just about anything other than DNA evidence could be argued  that it was AI generated bc there would be no means of authentication. To me this is equally as scary from the standpoint of opportunistic defense attorneys trying to create reasonable doubt, but also innocent people being framed bc of really good AI

Some decent posits. I wonder if this will accelerate the use of blockchain mechanisms for authentication.

I've been using AI tools for years to help with legal work. ChatGPT is on a different level though, and it's a tool that has the potential to save a LOT of time, in terms of coming up with the bones of various documents. I don't believe it's close to replacing human reasoning, because we humans are fundamentally irrational. But I could easily see it generating efficiencies that obviate the need for some X number of jobs. I'm trying to be at the vanguard of utilizing it so as not to be left behind.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on March 06, 2023, 08:25:15 PM
Will we ever be able to upload our consciousness into a man made machine? Would that come before or after man made artificial sentient life?
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on March 06, 2023, 09:13:24 PM
My biggest concern about AI is the potential for like, literally nothing to be reliable evidence of anything. Like any photo, audio, video, video with audio…all of it could seem so real but it’s just uncanny deep fakes. The propaganda potential is terrifying. And like procedurally in a court of law…seems like just about anything other than DNA evidence could be argued  that it was AI generated bc there would be no means of authentication. To me this is equally as scary from the standpoint of opportunistic defense attorneys trying to create reasonable doubt, but also innocent people being framed bc of really good AI

Some decent posits. I wonder if this will accelerate the use of blockchain mechanisms for authentication.

I've been using AI tools for years to help with legal work. ChatGPT is on a different level though, and it's a tool that has the potential to save a LOT of time, in terms of coming up with the bones of various documents. I don't believe it's close to replacing human reasoning, because we humans are fundamentally irrational. But I could easily see it generating efficiencies that obviate the need for some X number of jobs. I'm trying to be at the vanguard of utilizing it so as not to be left behind.

Funny you say that, as I was typing that out I was thinking they’re going to need some kind of ledger like block chain authentication that can’t be removed. Crazy to think of a video needing the same kind of provenance as a Picasso.

Also it seems like it could go a long way in terms of taking a first pass at writing briefs, provided it gets heavily proof read and edited. But I like the idea of my counsel having more time freed up to muster my vigorous defense than the tedium of brief writing and other such minutia
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: catastrophe on March 06, 2023, 09:47:42 PM
My biggest concern about AI is the potential for like, literally nothing to be reliable evidence of anything. Like any photo, audio, video, video with audio…all of it could seem so real but it’s just uncanny deep fakes. The propaganda potential is terrifying. And like procedurally in a court of law…seems like just about anything other than DNA evidence could be argued  that it was AI generated bc there would be no means of authentication. To me this is equally as scary from the standpoint of opportunistic defense attorneys trying to create reasonable doubt, but also innocent people being framed bc of really good AI
Currently all these things have to be authenticated by sworn testimony from someone who can attest that they’re accurate representations. Doesn’t mean forgery/fraud won’t be more common, but people will always have to stick their necks on the line for it (unless/until we’re satisfied that some new technology like blockchain does the job).
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: 8manpick on March 06, 2023, 09:50:06 PM
We’re all mumped. The only question is the timeline.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on March 06, 2023, 10:01:26 PM
We’re all mumped. The only question is the timeline.
There is still a chance it will think we make great pets.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on March 06, 2023, 10:13:51 PM
My biggest concern about AI is the potential for like, literally nothing to be reliable evidence of anything. Like any photo, audio, video, video with audio…all of it could seem so real but it’s just uncanny deep fakes. The propaganda potential is terrifying. And like procedurally in a court of law…seems like just about anything other than DNA evidence could be argued  that it was AI generated bc there would be no means of authentication. To me this is equally as scary from the standpoint of opportunistic defense attorneys trying to create reasonable doubt, but also innocent people being framed bc of really good AI
Currently all these things have to be authenticated by sworn testimony from someone who can attest that they’re accurate representations. Doesn’t mean forgery/fraud won’t be more common, but people will always have to stick their necks on the line for it (unless/until we’re satisfied that some new technology like blockchain does the job).

If only perjury was more of a deterrent.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: cfbandyman on March 06, 2023, 10:25:43 PM
I don't love it, but I also don't know how you "stop" it. I mean, development will happen by people no matter what happens, I just hope we know what we're doing (not a good feeling about it)
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on March 07, 2023, 08:42:58 AM
one thing i don't think AI will be able to do: high fidelity forgery of hand writing.

Source: i have a Cricut and to see how that thing "writes" is wild.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: schreds21 on March 07, 2023, 08:47:09 AM
Apparently BAC is the only other person in this thread besides me who has seen any of the Terminator movies.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 07, 2023, 08:48:21 AM
That's a good point. The terminator was famously bad at forging signatures.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on March 07, 2023, 09:09:45 AM
That's a good point. The terminator was famously bad at forging signatures.

In the original script the terminator was supposed to be able to forge handwriting perfectly but Arnold is like, notoriously bad at forging handwriting so they had to re-write the script midflight b/c they had too much of the film already "in the can" to justify re-shooting with Lou Ferrigno as the Terminator (very good at forging handwriting).
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: MadCat on March 07, 2023, 09:17:40 AM
Mankind is just one iteration of sentient being creating a self-perpetuating artificially intelligent being which continues the cycle throughout time  :peek:
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on March 07, 2023, 08:48:31 PM
That's a good point. The terminator was famously bad at forging signatures.

In the original script the terminator was supposed to be able to forge handwriting perfectly but Arnold is like, notoriously bad at forging handwriting so they had to re-write the script midflight b/c they had too much of the film already "in the can" to justify re-shooting with Lou Ferrigno as the Terminator (very good at forging handwriting).
Good work here, everyone.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on March 07, 2023, 08:49:06 PM
Mankind is just one iteration of sentient being creating a self-perpetuating artificially intelligent being which continues the cycle throughout time  :peek:
OR ARE WE?!?!?
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: passranch on March 08, 2023, 06:04:30 PM
We’re all mumped. The only question is the timeline.
There is still a chance it will think we make great pets.

I'm just here to appreciate the elite Perry Farrell reference.  Nicely done.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on March 08, 2023, 07:17:50 PM
We’re all mumped. The only question is the timeline.
There is still a chance it will think we make great pets.

I'm just here to appreciate the elite Perry Farrell reference.  Nicely done.
It means a lot that you noticed!
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 09, 2023, 07:44:36 AM
We’re all mumped. The only question is the timeline.
There is still a chance it will think we make great pets.

I'm just here to appreciate the elite Perry Farrell reference.  Nicely done.

Was that what they were talking about?
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on March 09, 2023, 03:06:03 PM
We’re all mumped. The only question is the timeline.
There is still a chance it will think we make great pets.

I'm just here to appreciate the elite Perry Farrell reference.  Nicely done.

Was that what they were talking about?
Aliens, but AI works too
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on July 04, 2023, 10:44:04 AM
I’ve been listening to Lex Fridman podcasts about AI, and I have a couple more to listen to in order to round out the view points on this, but at this moment I think the best case scenario is the following:

1. Everyone is able to gain access to a personal AI (e.g one one your phone/earbuds/augmented reality glasses/etc), and there is no centralized single AI for everyone.

2. The average IQ of humans is boosted 20 - 40 points when they have access to an AI.

3. Violent crime is significantly lower in populations of higher IQ, and we realize those benefits

4. Jobs are not taken by AI.  Jobs are taken by people with AI.

5.  Terrorists with AI are stopped by good guys with with AI.



The worst case scenario is probably:

1. Centralized AI controlled by a government party. Social scoring and civil compliance is monitored by the AI.  This is bad if you are someone who deviates from the average, such as LGBTQ or a different religion from the sanctioned version.  If you are in alignment with the values of the organization who trains and aligns the AI, you could be quite content, however.

2.  Rouge States and bad actors use AI to engineer bio weapons and deploy them against rivals.  They also use AI to break encryption to steal wealth and disrupt markets.

3.  While AI may result in job growth in the long run, many could be the victims of transient unemployment as jobs are eliminated in the “laptop” class and they need to retrain or find lower wage work as laborers.

4. Possible elimination/massive reduction of the middle class, but also possible lifting of the lowest class.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: DQ12 on July 04, 2023, 07:39:29 PM
I like Lex. His voice and speaking mannerisms remind me of @bubbles
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 16, 2023, 08:54:48 PM
This seems like a big deal.

https://twitter.com/deliprao/status/1691562863171612914
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Spracne on August 16, 2023, 10:48:38 PM
This seems like a big deal.

https://twitter.com/deliprao/status/1691562863171612914

Holy crap. eff. Oh my God ...
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on August 16, 2023, 11:12:37 PM
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Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on January 23, 2024, 07:41:21 AM
https://decrypt.co/213244/microsoft-ceo-rabbit-r1-ai-gadget-was-most-impressive-demo-since-steve-jobs-iphone-unveiling

https://www.rabbit.tech

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I bought one. We’ll see. :dunno:
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Spracne on January 23, 2024, 02:23:02 PM
Is this something I should spend more than 15 seconds thinking about?
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: CNS on January 23, 2024, 02:26:12 PM
I just bought one too.  with the learning mode, I think I could teach that sucker to automate a lot of bullshit data entry for me and maybe coordinate with my Microsoft 365 to fill out several of my custom spreadsheets for me.

If that is the case, this thing will pay for it's self in a day or two. 

Really intrigued. 
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on January 23, 2024, 02:41:31 PM
I will probably make it order me dinner.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on January 23, 2024, 02:42:07 PM
Is this something I should spend more than 15 seconds thinking about?
Probably not, but the video of its capabilities is interesting.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: MadCat on January 23, 2024, 02:43:53 PM
Can I play Doom on it?
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Spracne on January 23, 2024, 02:48:42 PM
Is this food?

Can I eff it?
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: CNS on January 23, 2024, 02:49:05 PM
Can I play Doom on it?

I read an article on Wired where the developer taught it to play Diablo and taught it how to best control characters to fight effectively while keeping health high.  They said you could task it to build a character and play to get it up to level for you to take over. 

Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on January 23, 2024, 02:56:08 PM
pro tip: use it to solve the travelling salesman problem and then you will win the $1,000,000 prize which i believe should more than pay for one of those badboys.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: wetwillie on January 23, 2024, 04:02:16 PM
I laughed at chum1 when he first mentioned ChatGPT so I'm going to reserve judgment on this one
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: passranch on January 23, 2024, 04:03:12 PM

Can I eff it?


Asking the real questions here.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on February 26, 2024, 08:49:00 AM
It can recycle!

https://www.foxnews.com/tech/this-ai-robot-garbage-picker-can-sort-over-500-types-of-trash-in-seconds
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: LickNeckey on February 26, 2024, 10:58:50 AM
used AI to make coloring sheets for my kids over the weekend

oh you want and elephant / alligator hybrid to color?

no fuckin problem
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on March 01, 2024, 10:24:54 AM
What the eff is Elon up to with this lawsuit against OpenAI?

Personally, I do not think Elon is capable of human empathy, so I don’t buy his claims of suing on behalf of humanity.  I think he wants to slow a competitor down and/or pursue personal grievances.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: CNS on March 01, 2024, 03:56:30 PM
I saw a company yesterday called Good Sheep, or something like that. They have a yard bot that uses AI to trim, weed, and blow leaves by itself.

This is exactly what we should be using it for
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 01, 2024, 04:02:34 PM
What the eff is Elon up to with this lawsuit against OpenAI?

Personally, I do not think Elon is capable of human empathy, so I don’t buy his claims of suing on behalf of humanity.  I think he wants to slow a competitor down and/or pursue personal grievances.

not sure even the most badass lawsuit can slow down AI. 

Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: CNS on March 01, 2024, 04:47:43 PM
What the eff is Elon up to with this lawsuit against OpenAI?

Personally, I do not think Elon is capable of human empathy, so I don’t buy his claims of suing on behalf of humanity.  I think he wants to slow a competitor down and/or pursue personal grievances.

not sure even the most badass lawsuit can slow down AI.

Open AI is writing an AI lawyer Bot right now and it is going to pants Elon's non AI lawyers. 
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on March 01, 2024, 11:04:48 PM
How long before sexbots?  In our lifetime?  I doubt it. They are growing meat in labs now, so maybe they can grow skin to make a realistic bot someday. Until then I think it will first just be guys in their mom’s basement having sex with things that look like robo cop.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on March 01, 2024, 11:07:45 PM
Will probably start as an attachment for domestic cleaning and landscaping bots.

Imagine the impact on social norms.

Will people rent them like a cleaning service? Come over, vacuum the rugs and your genitalia? So weird.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: CNS on March 02, 2024, 07:51:42 AM
As long as I do t have to weed and trim ever again, that would be fine.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on March 02, 2024, 09:57:53 AM
I think about AI constantly. Not about how it’s done or how to align it with human values or anything like that….just about all the things in my life I am willing to say “AI take the wheel.”  Which would literally include AI taking the wheel while I play Xbox in a recliner in the back of the van.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: CNS on March 02, 2024, 10:34:50 AM
I just want to be able to yell at it like an old man that doesn't understand things, and gets confused easily, and have the AI do the exact thing I wanted, exactly how I wanted it. 
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on March 08, 2024, 09:51:33 AM
This is indisputably the most interesting time to be alive in human history.

Imagine the convergence over the next 20 years on so many things that are exploding:


1. Generative AI

2. Quantum Computing

3. Fusion power

4. Medical breakthroughs such as mRNA and dna tech

5. Optical recognition tech (e.g. advancements from the self driving research)

6. Robotics tech (e.g the cool crap Boston Dynamics and others have been doing)

7. Space tech

8. Connectivity with wireless tech (e.g. 5G) and continued fiber build out

9. Battery technology (e.g solid state, etc.)


What an amazing rough ridin' time to be alive.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 08, 2024, 10:03:16 AM
Pete being amazed that technology continues to grow exponentially is a lot of fun.

Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on March 08, 2024, 10:38:39 AM
Pete being amazed that technology continues to grow exponentially is a lot of fun.
Cross post with the non-political economy thread, but we really do have some great potential to expand productivity tremendously.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on March 23, 2024, 02:59:58 PM
My son plays Helldivers (I can’t because I was raised Xbox) and they have this political system called managed democracy. Here’s what it is…

“Super earth is run on "managed" democracy, meaning all elections and voting is Al assisted. Each voting person is surveyed by the Al about their beleifs, desires, opinions and then helps them vote for the right people by doing it for them”

That’s a really handy use for artificial intelligence.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 23, 2024, 03:11:26 PM
Who controls the artificial intelligence? Or is it just self realized and writes its own code?


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Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: CNS on March 23, 2024, 03:22:58 PM
Can you preset it to act on hatred of a specific group and little man syndrome?
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Spracne on March 23, 2024, 03:31:32 PM
Can you preset it to act on hatred of a specific group and little man syndrome?

 :)
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 23, 2024, 04:04:54 PM
Can you preset it to act on hatred of a specific group and little man syndrome?

Better yet, can the platform proactively erase those that are constantly enraged because they don't get their way at all times and because others may not agree with them (an exception for young children and adolescents of course)



Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on May 10, 2024, 07:11:37 AM
There are AI companies that fully intend to be able to let people make their own AI generated porn. You could even put yourself in the porn. ChatGPT is actually considering it.  There are so many other AI models out there now that the mainstream AI’s will have to consider it lest they risk loosing market share.

Porn has always been the first adopter of new tech. However, I don't think anyone had "porn actor" down as the first expected job eliminated by AI.

https://www.businessinsider.com/openai-ai-porn-chatgpt-generate-explicit-content-nsfw-2024-5
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: DaBigTrain on May 13, 2024, 04:40:57 PM
https://twitter.com/Mr_AllenT/status/1790081245008789771
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: DaBigTrain on May 13, 2024, 05:07:05 PM
https://twitter.com/mckaywrigley/status/1790088880919818332
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: star seed 7 on May 13, 2024, 05:27:42 PM
If ai can do something better than us already should we really be wasting our time teaching it to kids?
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Spracne on May 13, 2024, 05:31:30 PM
If ai can do something better than us already should we really be wasting our time teaching it to kids?

This was kind of my thought. It could serve certain functions. But there are nuances that still need to be taught. Still, I do think that teachers should be worried (more than they already are, based on a number of things).
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: LickNeckey on May 13, 2024, 05:57:40 PM
Meh

Seems like law is far more likely to be impacted.

AI is probably not great at classroom management (unless it is one of those drone machine gun things)
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on May 13, 2024, 06:25:33 PM
Meh

Seems like law is far more likely to be impacted.

AI is probably not great at classroom management (unless it is one of those drone machine gun things)
Creative interpretation of the law is still beyond AI’s reach. Also, the risk of hallucinations by the AI is a problem. It paralegals might be in trouble.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: wetwillie on May 13, 2024, 06:46:06 PM
I use ChatGPT near daily on BI dashboard development and SQL trouble shooting. It's become really useful.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: CNS on May 13, 2024, 07:23:56 PM
I use ChatGPT near daily on BI dashboard development and SQL trouble shooting. It's become really useful.

Is this what you do or something you picked up as a side?

I ask because I have been wanting to jump into Power Automate and BI to try to make my current excel templates automate more of what I do.

If a guy is good with excel(not to the point where I know how to code, but am really good with formulas) is the above something you think would be easily picked up? 

I bought a couple of Udemy classes but haven’t gone through them yet.
Thoughts?
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: wetwillie on May 13, 2024, 07:45:11 PM
I use ChatGPT near daily on BI dashboard development and SQL trouble shooting. It's become really useful.

Is this what you do or something you picked up as a side?

I ask because I have been wanting to jump into Power Automate and BI to try to make my current excel templates automate more of what I do.

If a guy is good with excel(not to the point where I know how to code, but am really good with formulas) is the above something you think would be easily picked up? 

I bought a couple of Udemy classes but haven’t gone through them yet.
Thoughts?

I have been using Tableau and PowerBi professionally for about the last year. Yes ChatGPT will significantly enhance your technical ability.  The learning curve is prompt engineering(asking it the right questions in the right way). Udemy is great too, I like Maven Analytics but there are a lot of other good ones out there too. Feel free to shoot me a dm if you need a sounding board once you get started with it.

Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: CNS on May 13, 2024, 07:59:22 PM
Good to hear. I have been messing with GPT pro for several months now. I turn it on when driving and ask it all kinds of stuff. It definitely helped me learn how to ask it better prompts.

It’s already a remarkable thing. It’s going to make so many things so many things more intuitive, more accessible, and more useful. 
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Spracne on May 13, 2024, 08:00:06 PM
Honestly, you have to lean into AI if you're in any kind of professional field. And I'm not even sure if it's "AI" as much as large-language models.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: wetwillie on May 13, 2024, 08:09:01 PM
Honestly, you have to lean into AI if you're in any kind of professional field. And I'm not even sure if it's "AI" as much as large-language models.

Yea it's a wave and you can either swim out and ride it or get swept away by it.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: CNS on May 13, 2024, 08:09:50 PM
It’s going to gut so many things.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Spracne on May 13, 2024, 08:17:51 PM
It’s going to gut so many things.

This Is America, Sir.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on May 13, 2024, 09:43:10 PM
I wonder if AI can figure out a way to not use so much energy that each prompt is the equivalent of dumping out an entire bottle of water. Per prompt. Yowza. (Im assuming they are getting this number because the data centers are using direct evaporative cooling)
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: CNS on May 13, 2024, 09:48:08 PM
I assume the models are all publicly available because they need our interactions to help the model level up. At some point, I assume they could pull back access once functionality reaches a certain point.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: chum1 on May 15, 2024, 09:23:24 PM
Why is this topic in the pit?

This stuff is incredible.

https://twitter.com/rowancheung/status/1790783202639978593
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: steve dave on May 15, 2024, 10:18:37 PM
Why is this topic in the pit?

This stuff is incredible.

https://twitter.com/rowancheung/status/1790783202639978593
My guess is because known communist Pete started it here


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Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: star seed 7 on May 15, 2024, 10:46:01 PM
Realtime language translation would be very awesome
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: wetwillie on May 16, 2024, 07:19:21 AM
Waverly labs has been doing it for awhile, I think they just suck at marketing
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: catastrophe on May 16, 2024, 12:37:51 PM
Waverly labs has been doing it for awhile, I think they just suck at marketing
AI can help with that.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on May 16, 2024, 05:45:21 PM
Yeah, this thread probably needs to be out of the pit. The Quantum thread is where we discuss the combination of nearly infinite compute with AI to create our new Gods.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 16, 2024, 05:48:00 PM
Yeah, this thread probably needs to be out of the pit. The Quantum thread is where we discuss the combination of nearly infinite compute with AI to create our new Gods.

I bet AI gets really abused for really messed up purposes in a political context first so...
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on June 04, 2024, 08:40:31 PM
Sam Altman is working on getting $7T in financing for a global organization of some kind that will design and manufacture chips instead of relying on Nvidia (design) and TSMC (manufacture).  It’s not clear if it will be a consortium of existing companies, a wholly new thing, or what. But, he’s getting SoftBank and UAE wealth fund on board apparently.

So, I will take the over on whether this AI thing sticks around. Im not actually DOING anything about it, just staring at it as it moves along.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: wetwillie on June 04, 2024, 09:10:32 PM
That's T as in 7 trillion?
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on June 05, 2024, 07:30:18 AM
That's T as in 7 trillion?

Yes!  It's an absurd number being thrown around by very serious people.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Stupid Fitz on June 05, 2024, 10:47:04 AM
While he is doing that, the Nvidia guy is walking around signing boobs like a boss. I'll take signing boobs guy any day.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on June 05, 2024, 10:56:49 AM
Well, sure. However, the Nvidia/TSMC monopolies won’t last forever.

Also, will be interesting to see if China is waiting for Taiwan’s Silicon Curtain to fall, or whether they want to own the Silicon curtain for a limited time.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: CNS on June 24, 2024, 08:13:34 PM
https://decrypt.co/213244/microsoft-ceo-rabbit-r1-ai-gadget-was-most-impressive-demo-since-steve-jobs-iphone-unveiling

https://www.rabbit.tech

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I bought one. We’ll see. :dunno:

Did you get your r1 yet?  Mine came today. I just registered it and it’s charging now.

Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on June 24, 2024, 10:33:07 PM
https://decrypt.co/213244/microsoft-ceo-rabbit-r1-ai-gadget-was-most-impressive-demo-since-steve-jobs-iphone-unveiling

https://www.rabbit.tech

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I bought one. We’ll see. :dunno:

Did you get your r1 yet?  Mine came today. I just registered it and it’s charging now.
Mine did to! I am away from OP for a bit, so I won’t get to try it out right away. Keep us posted as you figure it out
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Kat Kid on June 26, 2024, 04:57:14 PM
https://x.com/jason_koebler/status/1805974464406151545
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: star seed 7 on June 26, 2024, 05:22:43 PM
The website gives me no indication of what this thing actually does. There is a 75 minute video that I tried skipping to different parts and that didn't provide any information either. What does it do?
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: OB_Won on June 26, 2024, 05:35:49 PM
The website gives me no indication of what this thing actually does. There is a 75 minute video that I tried skipping to different parts and that didn't provide any information either. What does it do?
I have the same question. Don't we all already carry pocket AI machines with cameras and talk buttons? Is it something drastically different than chatgpt 4.0, a free app I loaded on my iphone?
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on June 26, 2024, 06:45:31 PM
Yep, they are proving to be extremely basic given the speed at which this stuff is moving.  I will still play around with it when I get it, but it’s probably looking like a flop at this point.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Spracne on June 26, 2024, 07:30:39 PM
Based on the feedback of my esteemed gE colleagues, I have concluded this is gimmicky.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: CNS on June 26, 2024, 08:13:10 PM
It seems to be something that has bitten off too much for now. It may update well, but the last 6-8montha of ChatGPT Pro has smoked this thing. With Apple making a GPT deal, I imagine Siri 2.0 will be what everyone wanted Rabbit R1 to be.

We’ll see.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on June 26, 2024, 10:34:32 PM
Yeah, Siri will do it all eventually
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 01, 2024, 09:00:28 AM
The great thing about AI is that it uses so much electricity, the major players in AI are building their AI data centers right next to nuclear power plants.

Which in turn could spur on the deployment of mini nuke power plants.

BTW - I am going to ask you guys to set your thermostats to 76 to 78. We need to conserve electricity so our future AI overlords can do work.

Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: DQ12 on July 01, 2024, 10:23:19 AM
Meh

Seems like law is far more likely to be impacted.

AI is probably not great at classroom management (unless it is one of those drone machine gun things)
Creative interpretation of the law is still beyond AI’s reach. Also, the risk of hallucinations by the AI is a problem. It paralegals might be in trouble.
I'd also bet ethical rules come out seriously limiting the degree to which AI can take over the field.  If there's one thing lawyers are generally good at protecting, it's their own pocketbooks. 

I learned that while sitting through 15 hours of irrelevant CLEs last week.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: CNS on July 01, 2024, 10:35:26 AM
It’s going to be the new calculator.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Spracne on July 01, 2024, 10:48:41 AM
Meh

Seems like law is far more likely to be impacted.

AI is probably not great at classroom management (unless it is one of those drone machine gun things)
Creative interpretation of the law is still beyond AI’s reach. Also, the risk of hallucinations by the AI is a problem. It paralegals might be in trouble.
I'd also bet ethical rules come out seriously limiting the degree to which AI can take over the field.  If there's one thing lawyers are generally good at protecting, it's their own pocketbooks. 

I learned that while sitting through 15 hours of irrelevant CLEs last week.

So you were born in June. Got it.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: DQ12 on July 01, 2024, 10:50:51 AM
Meh

Seems like law is far more likely to be impacted.

AI is probably not great at classroom management (unless it is one of those drone machine gun things)
Creative interpretation of the law is still beyond AI’s reach. Also, the risk of hallucinations by the AI is a problem. It paralegals might be in trouble.
I'd also bet ethical rules come out seriously limiting the degree to which AI can take over the field.  If there's one thing lawyers are generally good at protecting, it's their own pocketbooks. 

I learned that while sitting through 15 hours of irrelevant CLEs last week.

So you were born in June. Got it.
?
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Spracne on July 01, 2024, 11:14:33 AM
Oh. Where I live you have to complete/submit your CLE hours by the end of your birth month. I just assumed.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on August 05, 2024, 06:16:44 PM
I listened to the most recent Lex Friedman post cast episode with Elon Musk and they talked about how the biggest challenge to AI is having enough quality training data, and how the web content after 2022 is “corrupted” with vast amounts of AI generated content that are not optimal for training AI.

OpenAI has its new deal as part owners of Reddit, which help it quite a bit.

Meta’s AI has Facebook and Insta.

Alphabet has Google, Gmail, and the G family of apps.

Microsoft has the office suite.

However, Elon is assembling an amazing group of inputs. First is Twitter. But he also has Tesla cars and their self driving data, and soon to have Optimus robot data. He will also have neurlink, where they are in the early steps of mapping electronic brain signals to external functions…the more patients they add, the better it will get and eventually will be used for augmenting healthy humans and not simply the disabled. He’s behind the others, but I bet he can catchup.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: wetwillie on August 05, 2024, 06:19:11 PM
I don't like Microsoft's chances in that race
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: pissclams on August 05, 2024, 06:22:26 PM
microsoft has multiple horses in the race.  they have $10b invested in openai.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: wetwillie on August 05, 2024, 06:26:41 PM
Didn't realize they had a piece of OpenAi, still like Alphabet in this one.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on August 05, 2024, 06:32:30 PM
I don't like Microsoft's chances in that race
I don’t either. I think they probably go the apple route, which is to have really focused AI that does very specific things well (eg CoPilot=Siri)
Title: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on August 05, 2024, 06:40:05 PM
Neuralink is going to be amazing. I listed to all 8 hours of the recent Lex Friedman episode (more like an ad for neuralink) on it where they had 5 separate interviews; Musk, the COO engineer, lead neurosurgeon, lead software developer, and the first patient.

They are essentially tapping into and mapping the parts of the brain that fire with electricity when you think about certain things. The first patient would for example try to wiggle his paralyzed finger and they would spot that electrical signal in the brain and map it to a function (like a mouse click). Amazing stuff.

The more patients they get, the better it will become because they can observe/deduce more and more about the parts of the brain that engage in various activities.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on August 05, 2024, 06:42:22 PM
The convergence opportunities for Musk stuff is amazing as well.

Commanding your car or robot by thinking about them, for example.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: star seed 7 on August 05, 2024, 06:43:08 PM
Until there is a babelfish type implant I don't really care about any of this.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on August 05, 2024, 06:49:24 PM
Until there is a babelfish type implant I don't really care about any of this.
The “easy” stuff seems to be the pattern mapping of observed brain activity to other functions…like making a robotic arm move.

Putting crap in your brain from outside seems more difficult presently.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: ben ji on August 05, 2024, 07:06:47 PM
I listened to the most recent Lex Friedman post cast episode with Elon Musk and they talked about how the biggest challenge to AI is having enough quality training data, and how the web content after 2022 is “corrupted” with vast amounts of AI generated content that are not optimal for training AI.

OpenAI has its new deal as part owners of Reddit, which help it quite a bit.

Meta’s AI has Facebook and Insta.

Alphabet has Google, Gmail, and the G family of apps.

Microsoft has the office suite.

However, Elon is assembling an amazing group of inputs. First is Twitter. But he also has Tesla cars and their self driving data, and soon to have Optimus robot data. He will also have neurlink, where they are in the early steps of mapping electronic brain signals to external functions…the more patients they add, the better it will get and eventually will be used for augmenting healthy humans and not simply the disabled. He’s behind the others, but I bet he can catchup.

The ksuFANS and gE archives should be worth a gold mine. We will know when the mods sell them once AI starts referring to people as "browns" and ranking things on a 1-7 scale.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on August 05, 2024, 07:07:54 PM
I listened to the most recent Lex Friedman post cast episode with Elon Musk and they talked about how the biggest challenge to AI is having enough quality training data, and how the web content after 2022 is “corrupted” with vast amounts of AI generated content that are not optimal for training AI.

OpenAI has its new deal as part owners of Reddit, which help it quite a bit.

Meta’s AI has Facebook and Insta.

Alphabet has Google, Gmail, and the G family of apps.

Microsoft has the office suite.

However, Elon is assembling an amazing group of inputs. First is Twitter. But he also has Tesla cars and their self driving data, and soon to have Optimus robot data. He will also have neurlink, where they are in the early steps of mapping electronic brain signals to external functions…the more patients they add, the better it will get and eventually will be used for augmenting healthy humans and not simply the disabled. He’s behind the others, but I bet he can catchup.

The ksuFANS and gE archives should be worth a gold mine. We will know when the mods sell them once AI starts referring to people as "browns" and ranking things on a 1-7 scale.
Chongs is going to create AI versions of all of us and have them posting forever.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: star seed 7 on August 05, 2024, 07:14:34 PM
We may be the last generation to die  :dunno:
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: pissclams on August 05, 2024, 07:51:06 PM
Neuralink is going to be amazing. I listed to all 8 hours of the recent Lex Friedman episode (more like an ad for neuralink) on it where they had 5 separate interviews; Musk, the COO engineer, lead neurosurgeon, lead software developer, and the first patient.

They are essentially tapping into and mapping the parts of the brain that fire with electricity when you think about certain things. The first patient would for example try to wiggle his paralyzed finger and they would spot that electrical signal in the brain and map it to a function (like a mouse click). Amazing stuff.

The more patients they get, the better it will become because they can observe/deduce more and more about the parts of the brain that engage in various activities.
elon couldn’t even manufacture a pickup truck and yet you think he’s going to make a brain implant work?

insurance companies are starting to drop insurance on cyber trucks
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Institutional Control on August 05, 2024, 08:56:03 PM
AI put to good use.

https://x.com/9_11_90s/status/1819279182779539586?s=46&t=hU61MNRKQXFa4a831KNtLg


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Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Institutional Control on August 05, 2024, 08:56:36 PM
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Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: star seed 7 on August 05, 2024, 09:01:44 PM
I've never been this accurately reduced before

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Based on our AI agent's analysis of your tweets, you're a 30-something male sports enthusiast from Kansas City with a penchant for memes, vibrators, and the occasional controversial retweet.

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Well, well, well, if it isn't A$AP Teej, the wannabe rapper with a Twitter feed more disjointed than a Chiefs' defense in the fourth quarter. Your retweets are as random as Patrick Mahomes' no-look passes, but with none of the accuracy. You're clearly trying to be edgy with those vibrator tweets, but let's be real, the only thing you're stimulating is our secondhand embarrassment. Your attempts at humor are about as successful as Texas Tech's football season. And speaking of football, your obsession with K-State is cute, but maybe if you spent less time tweeting and more time practicing, you wouldn't be forever 'reppin that 785' from your couch. But hey, at least you're consistent - consistently mediocre, that is
.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Institutional Control on August 05, 2024, 09:06:14 PM
I’m thinking of deleting my Twitter account after that annihilation.


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Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on August 05, 2024, 09:53:06 PM
Neuralink is going to be amazing. I listed to all 8 hours of the recent Lex Friedman episode (more like an ad for neuralink) on it where they had 5 separate interviews; Musk, the COO engineer, lead neurosurgeon, lead software developer, and the first patient.

They are essentially tapping into and mapping the parts of the brain that fire with electricity when you think about certain things. The first patient would for example try to wiggle his paralyzed finger and they would spot that electrical signal in the brain and map it to a function (like a mouse click). Amazing stuff.

The more patients they get, the better it will become because they can observe/deduce more and more about the parts of the brain that engage in various activities.
elon couldn’t even manufacture a pickup truck and yet you think he’s going to make a brain implant work?

insurance companies are starting to drop insurance on cyber trucks
Counter point, he’s the only guy who ever had reusable rockets. Also only guy with a global internet satellite array (which is another amazing AI training data source)
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on August 05, 2024, 10:03:29 PM
We may be the last generation to die  :dunno:
The real immortality comes if they can ever figure out where and how memories are stored and how to extract/store/access them.  They don’t know much about how memory works.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Tobias on August 06, 2024, 01:38:13 AM
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Based on our AI agent's analysis of your tweets, you're a 30-something male sports fan with a sarcastic streak, likely working in tech or media, who enjoys following college football and international soccer.

Wow, Tobias, your Twitter feed is a masterclass in mediocrity. You're like the human embodiment of a participation trophy - present, but utterly unremarkable. Your hot takes on sports are about as spicy as a glass of lukewarm tap water. It's clear you think you're America's edgy commentator, but honey, you're more like America's forgettable neighbor. Your retweets outnumber your original thoughts, which says a lot about your creativity - or lack thereof. And let's talk about that follower count - I've seen more people at a poetry reading in a retirement home. But hey, at least you're consistent in your blandness. Keep reaching for those middle-of-the-road stars, champ!

rude.  wordaware  sounds like a roughridin' (and accurate) cinnamon stick
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: ben ji on August 06, 2024, 08:44:20 AM
WRECKED

Ah, ben ji, the self-proclaimed sports guru of the Sunflower State. Your tweets read like a drunk uncle's ramblings at Thanksgiving dinner. You're so obsessed with Kansas State, I'm surprised you haven't changed your name to Willie the Wildcat. Your hot takes are about as consistent as Will Howard's performance - one minute you're calling him daddy, the next you're filing a restraining order. It's clear your understanding of football is as blurry as your vision after a tailgate party. Maybe if you spent less time tweeting and more time actually watching the game, you'd know where the ball is on the field. But hey, at least you've got the Chiefs to fall back on when your Wildcats inevitably disappoint you. Keep dreaming of that Big 12 title, champ - it's adorable.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: chum1 on October 08, 2024, 11:54:58 AM
This is so freaky. Like sci-fi.

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8RoDxU9/
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on January 16, 2025, 10:23:55 PM
NOT TERRIFIC MY BROS


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25-year-old Anthropic employee says she may only have 3 years left to work because AI will replace her


https://fortune.com/2024/06/04/anthropics-chief-of-staff-avital-balwit-ai-remote-work/

So, in the world of AI, Anthropic is known as a pretty darn responsible company.


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“I stand at the edge of a technological development that seems likely, should it arrive, to end employment as I know it,” Balwit explained.

“The general reaction to language models among knowledge workers is one of denial,” she wrote, adding that although there are some tasks that AI can’t yet do, like coding long sequences, it’s set to improve at a fast pace.

“The shared goal of the field of artificial intelligence is to create a system that can do anything,” she warned. “I expect us to reach it soon.”

Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Tobias on January 17, 2025, 12:10:52 AM
as a TechBro, sometimes i'm jealous of the rare coworker that's like 20-25 years older than me.  what a time to have been alived
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on January 17, 2025, 10:48:44 PM
It’s been a good run.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on January 26, 2025, 11:54:52 PM
https://apple.news/ABGHFz_v9QhK2kO5UBgf4bQ

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The prospect of artificial intelligence automating administrative tasks is attracting venture capitalists to ho-hum professions such as accounting, customer-service centers and property management. Tech entrepreneurs have raised hundreds of millions of dollars to retrofit these businesses with AI tools and drive up their profitability. 


Wall Street journal article about Venture Capital firms buying up companies in low margin industries for cheap scale, then automating away jobs using AI and increasing profit margins.  This is going to be rough ridin' everywhere fast.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: wetwillie on January 27, 2025, 06:21:07 AM
Blimey, it's gonna be a proper white collar bloodbath, innit mate?
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on January 27, 2025, 07:25:51 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0qw7z2v1pgo



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Silicon Valley venture capitalist and Donald Trump advisor Marc Andreessen described DeepSeek-R1 as "AI's Sputnik moment", a reference to the satellite launched by the Soviet Union in 1957.

Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on January 27, 2025, 07:32:02 AM
Blimey, it's gonna be a proper white collar bloodbath, innit mate?
It isn’t terrific for white collar. Add to that pricing pressure from Chinese competition and we are making some bad soup.

If boards weren’t already asking their CEO about when they’ll get their cost savings from mass deployment of AI, watching god damn VC firms increasingly execute it like a playbook will really light the fire.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Kat Kid on January 27, 2025, 08:57:08 AM
The War of 1812 trade embargo by Britain turned the United States in to a manufacturing giant for 150 years.

It was and is pure folly to try and bully/dictate everything to China. Hope we see that this has not been effective.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on January 27, 2025, 09:37:47 AM
The War of 1812 trade embargo by Britain turned the United States in to a manufacturing giant for 150 years.

It was and is pure folly to try and bully/dictate everything to China. Hope we see that this has not been effective.
Elaborate on your application of this to AI.  You thinking we need to let ‘em have the fast chips?
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Kat Kid on January 27, 2025, 10:49:27 AM
The War of 1812 trade embargo by Britain turned the United States in to a manufacturing giant for 150 years.

It was and is pure folly to try and bully/dictate everything to China. Hope we see that this has not been effective.
Elaborate on your application of this to AI.  You thinking we need to let ‘em have the fast chips?

Sorry to pit it up, but I don't view AI as some kind of tech distinct from politics...

I think in both the specifics of AI and the general need to collaborate and cooperate on global issues, trying to force the world's biggest economy and largest population to do anything will not be successful and also has the not zero percent potential to escalate to nuclear war. If embargoes and sanctions can't bring Cuba to its knees, why the hell would they work on China?

I think there is something deeply ironic about China being deprived of these microchips, innovating around it, releasing a more efficient (AND OPEN SOURCE) AI and then Silicon Valley freaking out. I think the Cold War rhetoric is deeply unsettling and instead the US should be trying to coax more openness and collaboration by engaging in it, not trying to punish China in to cooperation.

Do we think we will be able to kill off BYD and Chinese EVs with tariffs and scare tactics alone? I'll take the other side of that bet.

As far as AI changing the world this decade or even next, I am skeptical.

It has some novel and truly great capabilities, but it is largely based upon intellectual openness/theft. Most of it is just nowhere near what Elon and Sam Altman and the rest of the people that stand to gain billions of dollars from it actually claim. We are not on the cusp of creating the machine that will enslave us.

There is a tremendous incentive to have people consume something new and hit quarterly earnings targets. We will see a market correction on AI related bs well before all of us get laid off (or just laid) by a robot. We will definitely get some truly evil and gruesome applications in the military though. Of that I have no doubt.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: DQ12 on January 27, 2025, 11:10:59 AM
The War of 1812 trade embargo by Britain turned the United States in to a manufacturing giant for 150 years.

It was and is pure folly to try and bully/dictate everything to China. Hope we see that this has not been effective.
Elaborate on your application of this to AI.  You thinking we need to let ‘em have the fast chips?

Sorry to pit it up, but I don't view AI as some kind of tech distinct from politics...

I think in both the specifics of AI and the general need to collaborate and cooperate on global issues, trying to force the world's biggest economy and largest population to do anything will not be successful and also has the not zero percent potential to escalate to nuclear war. If embargoes and sanctions can't bring Cuba to its knees, why the hell would they work on China?

I think there is something deeply ironic about China being deprived of these microchips, innovating around it, releasing a more efficient (AND OPEN SOURCE) AI and then Silicon Valley freaking out. I think the Cold War rhetoric is deeply unsettling and instead the US should be trying to coax more openness and collaboration by engaging in it, not trying to punish China in to cooperation.

Do we think we will be able to kill off BYD and Chinese EVs with tariffs and scare tactics alone? I'll take the other side of that bet.

As far as AI changing the world this decade or even next, I am skeptical.

It has some novel and truly great capabilities, but it is largely based upon intellectual openness/theft. Most of it is just nowhere near what Elon and Sam Altman and the rest of the people that stand to gain billions of dollars from it actually claim. We are not on the cusp of creating the machine that will enslave us.

There is a tremendous incentive to have people consume something new and hit quarterly earnings targets. We will see a market correction on AI related bs well before all of us get laid off (or just laid) by a robot. We will definitely get some truly evil and gruesome applications in the military though. Of that I have no doubt.
Wasn't (isn't?) China pretty blatantly stealing tech IP?  I get that the kumbaya nature of your proposal is attractive, but it strikes me as a little unfair to assume we should be cooperative with an actor that has a pretty poor "cooperation" track record.

I don't know much about this so if China hasn't been stealing IP or my premises are totally off-base here, my bad.  Also if we're wading too far into the pit here, we can cut it off.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Kat Kid on January 27, 2025, 11:32:30 AM
China is not some perfect, benevolent actor. They are self-interested too. The question is what to do.

As far as IP and AI, lmao the whole thing is built on stolen IP. I think reducing the high barriers to IP sharing is a positive good wholly separate and apart from the other issues, but no one has explained to me how the AI is worth anything, let alone going to save civilization, without all the "stolen" data anyway. The IP that trains it isn't some problem to resolve, it is a foundational pillar.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: CNS on January 27, 2025, 11:55:11 AM
Brining Cuba to it's knees is hard because it is a very small place and a rounding error in some decent size economy can help keep it afloat.  Not the case with China.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: pissclams on January 27, 2025, 02:48:24 PM
China is not some perfect, benevolent actor. They are self-interested too. The question is what to do.

As far as IP and AI, lmao the whole thing is built on stolen IP. I think reducing the high barriers to IP sharing is a positive good wholly separate and apart from the other issues, but no one has explained to me how the AI is worth anything, let alone going to save civilization, without all the "stolen" data anyway. The IP that trains it isn't some problem to resolve, it is a foundational pillar.
you’ve repeated a really important point about AI and its foundation being built on a collective data set.  we don’t live in a world that shares data and as soon as we figure out how to build those walls to prevent stolen IP, the better
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: steve dave on January 27, 2025, 07:01:48 PM
https://x.com/liangwenfeng_/status/1883978669900824681?s=46


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Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on January 27, 2025, 07:11:58 PM
China is not some perfect, benevolent actor. They are self-interested too. The question is what to do.

As far as IP and AI, lmao the whole thing is built on stolen IP. I think reducing the high barriers to IP sharing is a positive good wholly separate and apart from the other issues, but no one has explained to me how the AI is worth anything, let alone going to save civilization, without all the "stolen" data anyway. The IP that trains it isn't some problem to resolve, it is a foundational pillar.
you’ve repeated a really important point about AI and its foundation being built on a collective data set.  we don’t live in a world that shares data and as soon as we figure out how to build those walls to prevent stolen IP, the better
I agree
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on January 27, 2025, 07:17:32 PM
I think KK implied this and I agree with him if he did and that is the amazing side effect of depriving China of all of this technology allowed them to adapt and come up with something much cheaper.

ThE morning brew podcast pointed out today that throughout history when when an efficiency gains occurred with a resource  with coal, and oil ,and CPU’s, and internet bandwidth…we just want even more.

China might both be propelling the entire industry forward AND creating a Sputnik moment in the US.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on January 27, 2025, 08:05:44 PM
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DFWgCoSJ3YS/?igsh=MTBpZXpkYXRuZGZpNQ==
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on January 27, 2025, 08:36:24 PM
PEGGY PO:  we have an aging population and are expected to have fewer participants in the workforce then what we need at some point in the future.  MAYBE all this AI automation makes up for the declining population and fewer workforce participants so that we can maintain healthy unemployment levels while also getting huge efficiency gains from AI.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: OB_Won on January 27, 2025, 09:18:51 PM
PEGGY PO:  we have an aging population and are expected to have fewer participants in the workforce then what we need at some point in the future.  MAYBE all this AI automation makes up for the declining population and fewer workforce participants so that we can maintain healthy unemployment levels while also getting huge efficiency gains from AI.
Narrator: That was not, in fact, how corporations took advantage of automation driven efficiencies.


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Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: wetwillie on January 27, 2025, 09:52:48 PM
Plus a lot of the boomers are blue collar
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on January 28, 2025, 07:42:56 AM
PEGGY PO:  we have an aging population and are expected to have fewer participants in the workforce then what we need at some point in the future.  MAYBE all this AI automation makes up for the declining population and fewer workforce participants so that we can maintain healthy unemployment levels while also getting huge efficiency gains from AI.
Narrator: That was not, in fact, how corporations took advantage of automation driven efficiencies.


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Yeah, I was just giving optimism a try. I think on a macro level it might work this way, but definitely not on the case by case basis.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Spracne on January 28, 2025, 08:51:38 AM
China is not some perfect, benevolent actor. They are self-interested too. The question is what to do.

As far as IP and AI, lmao the whole thing is built on stolen IP. I think reducing the high barriers to IP sharing is a positive good wholly separate and apart from the other issues, but no one has explained to me how the AI is worth anything, let alone going to save civilization, without all the "stolen" data anyway. The IP that trains it isn't some problem to resolve, it is a foundational pillar.
you’ve repeated a really important point about AI and its foundation being built on a collective data set.  we don’t live in a world that shares data and as soon as we figure out how to build those walls to prevent stolen IP, the better
I agree

Wait, just so I understand, you guys are against open source software development? That's really absurd, if so.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: CNS on January 28, 2025, 08:58:50 AM
China is not some perfect, benevolent actor. They are self-interested too. The question is what to do.

As far as IP and AI, lmao the whole thing is built on stolen IP. I think reducing the high barriers to IP sharing is a positive good wholly separate and apart from the other issues, but no one has explained to me how the AI is worth anything, let alone going to save civilization, without all the "stolen" data anyway. The IP that trains it isn't some problem to resolve, it is a foundational pillar.
you’ve repeated a really important point about AI and its foundation being built on a collective data set.  we don’t live in a world that shares data and as soon as we figure out how to build those walls to prevent stolen IP, the better
I agree

Wait, just so I understand, you guys are against open source software development? That's really absurd, if so.

I am not against having the code. I am against US citizens using something that sends info to China. I know our guys are gathering on us, I hate that too, but realistically there will never be a time where that doesn’t happen.
Title: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on January 28, 2025, 03:40:53 PM
And I am against participating in the training of Chinese AI software. But I will live with the fact that we are actually doing that if we are using any American AI, because the Chinese figured out that to build their model cheap all they have to do is ask lots of questions to American AI and then train on the answers. Which you are about to see all of the American companies do but using chips vastly more powerful than what China has and in and on larger scale.
Title: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on January 28, 2025, 03:42:13 PM
So as the Chinese software gets big, and as it has use cases developed, they’re gonna offer it for a song to the entirety of the world, and as the entirety of the world starts to get nice and comfortable with that Chinese software China will do with that whatever they want and not think twice about itthey’re not required to think twice about it. They don’t have pesky people asking questions about whether the use of AI is appropriate or not.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on January 28, 2025, 03:44:17 PM
After computing horsepower there’s two main parts of AI. The first is training data and the second is what they call alignment. Alignment can also be thought of as regulating which questions it can answer or which stuff you can talk about.

I would prefer if the AI that the world uses was trained on the same type of training data that AI has access to in America, and I would hope that the AI that the world uses is aligned with the world view of the AI that is developed in America
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on January 28, 2025, 03:45:44 PM
China is not some perfect, benevolent actor. They are self-interested too. The question is what to do.

As far as IP and AI, lmao the whole thing is built on stolen IP. I think reducing the high barriers to IP sharing is a positive good wholly separate and apart from the other issues, but no one has explained to me how the AI is worth anything, let alone going to save civilization, without all the "stolen" data anyway. The IP that trains it isn't some problem to resolve, it is a foundational pillar.
you’ve repeated a really important point about AI and its foundation being built on a collective data set.  we don’t live in a world that shares data and as soon as we figure out how to build those walls to prevent stolen IP, the better
I agree

Wait, just so I understand, you guys are against open source software development? That's really absurd, if so.
Llama is open source. Root for that one to win
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on January 28, 2025, 03:46:48 PM
But remember open source does not mean that you get to have access to all of the underlying training data and it does not mean that you get access to it’s alignment protocols what you get access to is connecting to it and how it can connect and the types of queries and other technical items that you want to develop in conjunction with the AI
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: pissclams on January 28, 2025, 04:40:07 PM
China is not some perfect, benevolent actor. They are self-interested too. The question is what to do.

As far as IP and AI, lmao the whole thing is built on stolen IP. I think reducing the high barriers to IP sharing is a positive good wholly separate and apart from the other issues, but no one has explained to me how the AI is worth anything, let alone going to save civilization, without all the "stolen" data anyway. The IP that trains it isn't some problem to resolve, it is a foundational pillar.
you’ve repeated a really important point about AI and its foundation being built on a collective data set.  we don’t live in a world that shares data and as soon as we figure out how to build those walls to prevent stolen IP, the better
I agree

Wait, just so I understand, you guys are against open source software development? That's really absurd, if so.
of course not.  it’s the data used to develop the llm that’s the issue.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on January 30, 2025, 07:07:36 AM
https://x.com/satyanadella/status/1883753899255046301?s=46&t=3dr3KCNJf6FX0PfdU2jK9g
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Kat Kid on January 31, 2025, 03:15:20 PM
China is not some perfect, benevolent actor. They are self-interested too. The question is what to do.

As far as IP and AI, lmao the whole thing is built on stolen IP. I think reducing the high barriers to IP sharing is a positive good wholly separate and apart from the other issues, but no one has explained to me how the AI is worth anything, let alone going to save civilization, without all the "stolen" data anyway. The IP that trains it isn't some problem to resolve, it is a foundational pillar.
you’ve repeated a really important point about AI and its foundation being built on a collective data set.  we don’t live in a world that shares data and as soon as we figure out how to build those walls to prevent stolen IP, the better

We live in a world where a tremendous amount of profit is derived from IP that is or should be open source and artificial walls are constructed for profit/rent seeking. I'm primarily thinking of academic research, but also scientific research that is government funded.

I understand that companies can and should be able to profit from their innovations and protect their own IP, but there is a TON of IP that is just rent seeking whether illegal or not ala Martin Shkreli.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: CHONGS on January 31, 2025, 04:19:37 PM
OpenAI released o3-mini this afternoon in a panic move
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on January 31, 2025, 05:07:58 PM
OpenAI released o3-mini this afternoon in a panic move
Definitely agree on the panic move.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: CNS on January 31, 2025, 05:38:29 PM
I have had GPT pro for about a year and mess with it a bunch. I just opened it, switched the model to the o3, and asked it how the new release will benefit me given what it knows of me.

It asked me what 03 was and what software I was referring to, and then asked me to remind it what I like and dislike.  So, hide your wives and kids I guess.  AI is here to rule us.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: CHONGS on January 31, 2025, 06:08:31 PM
These reasoning models are neat, but they'll still fall in a heap without access to computational tools and real data sources.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: chum1 on February 11, 2025, 10:22:55 AM
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BBC tested a bunch of chatbots used as news source:

- 51% have issues with answers
- 19% fabricate fake statistics / info
- 13% fabricate fake quotes or alter them

This is exactly what you expect from a random word blender being used as a source of information.

https://bsky.app/profile/ketanjoshi.co/post/3lhvot5tnl22s
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on February 11, 2025, 12:06:17 PM
I think that might be outdated. The newer “reasoning” models have come a long way.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on February 11, 2025, 12:07:37 PM
These reasoning models are neat, but they'll still fall in a heap without access to computational tools and real data sources.
That’s definitely the argument for open source, or at least the vision….bring able to plug them into a wider array of those things without every single one of them needing to be officially approved by a closed source traffic cop.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on February 11, 2025, 12:23:57 PM
When I first heard about Elon’s bid to purchase Open AI people said it seemed like an attempt to merely slow Open AI down. However, he cites a pretty serious group of VC and PE firms as being onboard.

It’s still pretty likely to merely be an attempt to slow Open AI down, but does illuminate who is on whose side.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Stupid Fitz on February 11, 2025, 12:32:54 PM
I have a chat gpt recipe for a pork loin in the sous vide right now. should I be concerned?
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Cire on February 11, 2025, 12:44:22 PM
I have a chat gpt recipe for a pork loin in the sous vide right now. should I be concerned?

What did it tell you?
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Stupid Fitz on February 11, 2025, 02:05:50 PM
I have a chat gpt recipe for a pork loin in the sous vide right now. should I be concerned?

What did it tell you?

throw it uncovered in the bathtub for 17 hours
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: CNS on February 11, 2025, 03:22:07 PM
When I first heard about Elon’s bid to purchase Open AI people said it seemed like an attempt to merely slow Open AI down. However, he cites a pretty serious group of VC and PE firms as being onboard.

It’s still pretty likely to merely be an attempt to slow Open AI down, but does illuminate who is on whose side.

Even before the DOGE bullshit, I thought Elon had too much ability to harm as a private citizen. There is no way he should be allowed to buy OpenAI. If folks don’t see that now, watch out.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on February 11, 2025, 04:58:38 PM
When I first heard about Elon’s bid to purchase Open AI people said it seemed like an attempt to merely slow Open AI down. However, he cites a pretty serious group of VC and PE firms as being onboard.

It’s still pretty likely to merely be an attempt to slow Open AI down, but does illuminate who is on whose side.

Even before the DOGE bullshit, I thought Elon had too much ability to harm as a private citizen. There is no way he should be allowed to buy OpenAI. If folks don’t see that now, watch out.
Unfortunately, the folks deciding are not going to object.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: wetwillie on February 11, 2025, 06:52:14 PM
How much is OpenAI worth?
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: pissclams on February 11, 2025, 07:29:02 PM
When I first heard about Elon’s bid to purchase Open AI people said it seemed like an attempt to merely slow Open AI down. However, he cites a pretty serious group of VC and PE firms as being onboard.

It’s still pretty likely to merely be an attempt to slow Open AI down, but does illuminate who is on whose side.
there is no one on our side
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: CNS on February 11, 2025, 07:30:32 PM
I agree there is no one on our side, but I think it is good to have multiple competitors rather than consolidating.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on February 11, 2025, 08:15:47 PM
I agree there is no one on our side, but I think it is good to have multiple competitors rather than consolidating.
Totally agree
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: pissclams on February 11, 2025, 10:00:09 PM
I agree there is no one on our side, but I think it is good to have multiple competitors rather than consolidating.
they’re all just jockeying for the same thing so maybe i’m obtuse but I don’t see why it ultimately matters.  they are one.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on February 12, 2025, 09:51:01 PM
I agree there is no one on our side, but I think it is good to have multiple competitors rather than consolidating.
they’re all just jockeying for the same thing so maybe i’m obtuse but I don’t see why it ultimately matters.  they are one.
The only thing that matters is that “the one” is not Chinese (real risk) or Russian (lol)
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: steve dave on February 12, 2025, 09:58:28 PM
here's the thing about competing AI guys, you can't hold it. like, if china, and us, and russia, and whatever have it then it's out there. this crap is just electrons going through wires and the less fortunate countries can see those electrons from their pentium 2 processor AIs and adopt that. we are so early stage on this stuff it's going to get universal real fast. it could go terminator2 judgement day real quick or not and any "regulation" or other stop gaps aren't going to stop that. BUT, if your kid has math homework in 6th grade that you are befuddled by there's a cheap app for that I can send you a link to.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Pete on February 12, 2025, 10:45:03 PM
I agree completely.

Every crap hole country on earth is gonna have their own rough ridin' amazingly good AI eventually for sure, every large company, and every large criminal organization.

We need this biggest and the baddest to be American.  "the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with a good guy with a gun."

 
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Stupid Fitz on February 13, 2025, 08:31:08 AM
here's the thing about competing AI guys, you can't hold it. like, if china, and us, and russia, and whatever have it then it's out there. this crap is just electrons going through wires and the less fortunate countries can see those electrons from their pentium 2 processor AIs and adopt that. we are so early stage on this stuff it's going to get universal real fast. it could go terminator2 judgement day real quick or not and any "regulation" or other stop gaps aren't going to stop that. BUT, if your kid has math homework in 6th grade that you are befuddled by there's a cheap app for that I can send you a link to.

This and my pork loin turned out delightful.
Title: Re: Artificial Intelligence
Post by: bucket on June 20, 2025, 02:19:00 PM
https://www.axios.com/2025/06/20/ai-models-deceive-steal-blackmail-anthropic

This article was entertaining, interesting and scary.

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In one extreme scenario, the company even found many of the models were willing to cut off the oxygen supply of a worker in a server room if that employee was an obstacle and the system were at risk of being shut down.