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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: Dr Rick Daris on May 26, 2010, 02:30:50 PM
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the father of highly sought after highschool basketball player and current kansas scholarship holder brady morningstar during brady's recruitment (allegedly)....
no way brady doesn't immediately get removed from the team, right? basketball team gets put on probation again?
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There's no way he can play. No way.
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Yeah...no way he will see the court again. I mean this is ku.
But he'll be fine. Social Security should be kicking in for him anyday now.
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Brady Morningstar is clearly the victim in this case. He won't get to play and it's all due to the actions of one rogue individual.
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Feel bad for Selby. He stands to lose a lot of money with Brady gone next season. :cry:
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What if Brady's dad was being paid cash from an employee of the Williams Fund as Brady was actually playing?
If a player's parents are paid by a university under the table, isn't that like bad?
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What if Brady's dad was being paid cash from an employee of the Williams Fund as Brady was actually playing?
If a player's parents are paid by a university under the table, isn't that like bad?
Seems like that would be pretty bad. Pretty damn bad actually.
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What if Brady's dad was being paid cash from an employee of the Williams Fund as Brady was actually playing?
If a player's parents are paid by a university under the table, isn't that like bad?
I really don't think the NCAA will come down with any real punishment. If some school that nobody cares about, like Alabama-Birmingham tried something like this, the NCAA would give them the death penalty.
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wait a minute. i just talked to a friend in lawrence who told me that brady only accounts for 33.3% of roger's kids that played sports at ku between the time that the athletic department allegedly worked out an illegal money making scheme with/for him and now. two daughters that played a large part in the volleyball teams success. wow. they obviously targeted the right person. three birds...one stone.
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What if Brady's dad was being paid cash from an employee of the Williams Fund as Brady was actually playing?
If a player's parents are paid by a university under the table, isn't that like bad?
I really don't think the NCAA will come down with any real punishment. If some school that nobody cares about, like Alabama-Birmingham tried something like this, the NCAA would give them the death penalty.
the ncaa is due to make a high major an example of. lets cross our fingers on that one.
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wait a minute. i just talked to a friend in lawrence who told me that brady only accounts for 33.3% of roger's kids that played sports at ku between the time that the atheletic department allegedly worked out an illegal money making scheme with/for him and now. two daughters that played a large part in the volleyball team's success. wow. they obviously targeted the right person. three birds...one stone.
Warm up your coordination of prison visits to daddy, mother frackers!
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So 5 or 6 direct reports to senior ku administration were involved, yet nobody in senior ku athletic administration knew a thing about it?? Father of ku player involved . . . nobody on coaching staff or ku administration knows a thing about it?? Basketball coach and prominent ku boosters and other ku hangers on are buying properties and houses in the same development as people engaged in ticket scalping . . . and nobody in Senior KU athletic administration knows a thing about what's going on down the hall??
Bull$hit.
That's the 2nd time under Lew's watch he's just stumbled all happy go lucky, didn't know :dunno: a thing about major financial malfeasance, institutional control issues, academic fraud and illegal gifts to players.
But he's got his finger on the "pulse" of ku athletics.
Bull$hit
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wait a minute. i just talked to a friend in lawrence who told me that brady only accounts for 33.3% of roger's kids that played sports at ku between the time that the athletic department allegedly worked out an illegal money making scheme with/for him and now. two daughters that played a large part in the volleyball team's success. wow. they obviously targeted the right person. three birds...one stone.
oh crap. bye bye womens vball program
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wait a minute. i just talked to a friend in lawrence who told me that brady only accounts for 33.3% of roger's kids that played sports at ku between the time that the athletic department allegedly worked out an illegal money making scheme with/for him and now. two daughters that played a large part in the volleyball team's success. wow. they obviously targeted the right person. three birds...one stone.
oh crap. bye bye womens vball program
They will just cut some scholarships. If they eliminated the program, they would have to eliminate a men's sport as well because of Title IX.
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Brady Morningstar is clearly the victim in this case. He won't get to play and it's all due to the actions of one rogue individual.
Yeah, except it's not really one rogue individual. It's more like a wolf pack of lone wolves. Or in this case a rogue pack of rogue individuals.
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Rumblings Tyrel Reed and Releford are off the team as well.
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Maybe Lew needs to spend less time running off the best football coach ku has ever or will ever have and worry a little more about what's going on, oh . . . down the hall a spell.
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Brady Morningstar is clearly the victim in this case. He won't get to play and it's all due to the actions of one rogue individual.
Yeah, except it's not really one rogue individual. It's more like a wolf pack of lone wolves. Or in this case a rogue pack of rogue individuals.
And there's nothing anyone in the Athletic Department could have done about them. Completely helpless.
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Contact Person for AAU tourney recently held in Lawrence . . . none other than . . . Roger Morningstar.
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Must have been a high entry fee
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Contact Person for AAU tourney recently held in Lawrence . . . none other than . . . Roger Morningstar.
It would be awesome if he starts funneling KU recruits from the prison basketball yard.
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Contact Person for AAU tourney recently held in Lawrence . . . none other than . . . Roger Morningstar.
I bet Sherron is eating the crap out of those turkey subs right now all nervous for his second family (the alive ones).
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Contact Person for AAU tourney recently held in Lawrence . . . none other than . . . Roger Morningstar.
I bet Sherron is eating the crap out of those turkey subs right now all nervous for his second family (the alive ones).
I doubt he really cares about KU anymore. He is probably just eating his seventh turkey sub, scoping out the place to figure out which chick he wants to sexually assault tonight.
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One small problem with the "meh, just a few bad apples" mindset of your average Tardville inhabitant. This involved the father of one your current players and someone who is absolutely classified as a Kansas Athletic Booster.
The NCAA will do nothing as per usual . . . but if they ever do wake up or quit figuring out ways to punish Detroit-Mercy for this, it might be a major issue.
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So ah, we got little problem with some tickets missing?? What are talking about here . . . 2-300??
Ah . . . no . . . 17,609 to be exact.
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Maybe Lew needs to spend less time running off the best football coach ku has ever or will ever have and worry a little more about what's going on, oh . . . down the hall a spell.
Mangino wouldn't have been able to survive the accusations. No one wanted to play for him, and players were going to transfer. The seven losses in a row were the icing on the cake. Quit acting like Perkins had any other choice.
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So ah, we got little problem with some tickets missing?? What are talking about here . . . 2-300??
Ah . . . no . . . 17,609 to be exact.
Over the course of several years.
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Maybe Lew needs to spend less time running off the best football coach ku has ever or will ever have and worry a little more about what's going on, oh . . . down the hall a spell.
Mangino wouldn't have been able to survive the accusations. No one wanted to play for him, and players were going to transfer. The seven losses in a row were the icing on the cake. Quit acting like Perkins had any other choice.
Yes, and gosh knows a guy like Lew Perkins would have never have thought of using proxies in order to help him garner backing of getting rid of Mangino.
But that being said, this thread is about the absolute absurd notion that everybody in senior ku athletic administration was just completely :dunno: about the thousands of missing tickets and millions in lost revenue.
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Maybe Lew needs to spend less time running off the best football coach ku has ever or will ever have and worry a little more about what's going on, oh . . . down the hall a spell.
Mangino wouldn't have been able to survive the accusations. No one wanted to play for him, and players were going to transfer. The seven losses in a row were the icing on the cake. Quit acting like Perkins had any other choice.
Yes, and gosh knows a guy like Lew Perkins would have never have thought of using proxies in order to help him garner backing of getting rid of Mangino.
But that being said, this thread is about the absolute absurd notion that everybody in senior ku athletic administration was just completely :dunno: about the thousands of missing tickets and millions in lost revenue.
The guys involved were pretty high up in the KU athletic department... they were the ones dealing with the Williams fund members and the complimentary tickets. It's totally possible and even probable that Lew Perkins didn't know about the problem until it was too late.
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:facepalm:
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It's totally possible and even probable that Lew Perkins didn't know about the problem until it was too late.
That is called negligence, and is also a fireable offense.
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That's the case a lot with Lew . . . he just didn't know until it was too late . . . who knew . . . :dunno:
Quit making it sound like ku athletics is some multi billion dollar corporation, with thousands of employees Ben.
It's a $60 or $70 million dollar operation with every employee housed within a mile of each other.
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Hold on....Lew said the most important thing is that someone accepts responsibility. AND, Lew accepted responsibility. Man, I sure feel a lot better about the pervasive corruption and incestuous dealings at ku now.
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Maybe Lew needs to spend less time running off the best football coach ku has ever or will ever have and worry a little more about what's going on, oh . . . down the hall a spell.
Mangino wouldn't have been able to survive the accusations. No one wanted to play for him, and players were going to transfer. The seven losses in a row were the icing on the cake. Quit acting like Perkins had any other choice.
Sounds familiar.
:lol:
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Maybe Lew needs to spend less time running off the best football coach ku has ever or will ever have and worry a little more about what's going on, oh . . . down the hall a spell.
Mangino wouldn't have been able to survive the accusations. No one wanted to play for him, and players were going to transfer. The seven losses in a row were the icing on the cake. Quit acting like Perkins had any other choice.
Sounds familiar.
:lol:
:confused:
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The guys involved were pretty high up in the KU athletic department... they were the ones dealing with the Williams fund members and the complimentary tickets. It's totally possible and even probable that Lew Perkins didn't know about the problem until it was too late.
You would make a terrible business owner.
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Maybe Lew needs to spend less time running off the best football coach ku has ever or will ever have and worry a little more about what's going on, oh . . . down the hall a spell.
Mangino wouldn't have been able to survive the accusations. No one wanted to play for him, and players were going to transfer. The seven losses in a row were the icing on the cake. Quit acting like Perkins had any other choice.
Sounds familiar.
:lol:
:confused:
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=4055.0 (http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=4055.0)
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Maybe Lew needs to spend less time running off the best football coach ku has ever or will ever have and worry a little more about what's going on, oh . . . down the hall a spell.
Mangino wouldn't have been able to survive the accusations. No one wanted to play for him, and players were going to transfer. The seven losses in a row were the icing on the cake. Quit acting like Perkins had any other choice.
Sounds familiar.
:lol:
:confused:
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=4055.0 (http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=4055.0)
Is there a "blindside" emoticon, because I'm pretty sure he didn't see that coming.
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None of KU's players transferred after Gill was hired. He kept all but a few recruits as well, and stole a 4-star running back from Stanford.
:dunno:
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I love the theory that Lew "they don't call him Dollar Bill for nothin" Perkins allowed $3 million in tickets to just slip through the cracks.
Love it.
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I love the theory that Lew "they don't call him Dollar Bill for nothin" Perkins allowed $3 million in tickets to just slip through the cracks.
Love it.
Exactly... why would Lew "allow" his athletic department to lose money?
:lol:
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I love the theory that Lew "they don't call him Dollar Bill for nothin" Perkins allowed $3 million in tickets to just slip through the cracks.
Love it.
Exactly... why would Lew "allow" his athletic department to lose money?
:lol:
Um... pretty sure you are misinterpreting what he's saying. :facepalm:
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What's a POSSIBLE $3 million (they don't know for sure, they THINK it COULD be that much) when you can funnel a bunch of money to top recruits and use winning to make a lot more money than a POSSIBLE $3 million dollars.
An all cash transaction ticket scalping operation involving a former ku basketball player/booster/father of the current player.
Not hard to envision at all . . . if a crooked developer isn't grinding an axe and taking people down with him, we aren't even discussing this today.
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I love the theory that Lew "they don't call him Dollar Bill for nothin" Perkins allowed $3 million in tickets to just slip through the cracks.
Love it.
Exactly... why would Lew "allow" his athletic department to lose money?
:lol:
Um... pretty sure you are misinterpreting what he's saying. :facepalm:
"Allowing" something to happen means that you're conscious of the situation. If Lew "allowed" it to happen, he knew about it. Most KU fans are claiming he didn't know about it.
:dunno:
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It's the same old story.
A couple of years ago Tardville was all puffed out and proud talking about how their football coach was a task master who knew every little thing that was going on in the football program . . . a few months later according to Tardville he couldn't have possibly of have known that academic fraud was being committed right there in the football offices.
Then it was Lew the puppet master Perkins that had Tardville all puffed up . . . nobody farted inside ku athletics without Lew knowing about it. Now . . . how could he have possibly have known that 17,000 plus tickets were sold through and illegal ticket scalping operation over a 5 year period?
You can't make this $hit up.
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I love the theory that Lew "they don't call him Dollar Bill for nothin" Perkins allowed $3 million in tickets to just slip through the cracks.
Love it.
Exactly... why would Lew "allow" his athletic department to lose money?
:lol:
Um... pretty sure you are misinterpreting what he's saying. :facepalm:
"Allowing" something to happen means that you're conscious of the situation. If Lew "allowed" it to happen, he knew about it. Most KU fans are claiming he didn't know about it.
:dunno:
yes, i am aware that KU fans think this. At the risk of speaking for the esteemed michigancat, I believe he was implying that a man highly regarded for his financial acumen (thus the Dollar Bill reference) would actually be far more likely to, in fact, know stuff about money and tickets. That it would be far less likely that he would NOT be conscious of it.
And by the way, as I pointed out earlier — if he by some remote chance he didn't know, that in and of itself is a fireable offense to not be aware of your own senior staff's dealings and the loss of millions of dollars (on top of his prior unawareness of academic fraud and lack of institutional control). For a man lauded for his abilities, he sure seems to "not know" alot of stuff.
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I wonder if the organizaton that named Lew "Sports Executive of the Year' want their award back? This was in full swing while he was collecting that award. That, and alleged abuse of football players by that mean old Mangino. I don't think Lew "knew" about that either.
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I love the theory that Lew "they don't call him Dollar Bill for nothin" Perkins allowed $3 million in tickets to just slip through the cracks.
Love it.
Exactly... why would Lew "allow" his athletic department to lose money?
:lol:
Um... pretty sure you are misinterpreting what he's saying. :facepalm:
"Allowing" something to happen means that you're conscious of the situation. If Lew "allowed" it to happen, he knew about it. Most KU fans are claiming he didn't know about it.
:dunno:
This is my favorite thing in this thread so far
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So ah, we got little problem with some tickets missing?? What are talking about here . . . 2-300??
Ah . . . no . . . 17,609 to be exact.
BILL
For now, why don't you get a flashlight and a can of pesticide and -
Dom enters.
DOM
Bill! We need you upstairs right away. Some major glitch in the
accounting. A lot of money missing.
They go upstairs and Bill turns off the light.
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Holy sh*t... this Wetzel guy is completely shaming Kietzman right now.
:love:
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Holy sh*t... this Wetzel guy is completely shaming Kietzman right now.
:love:
I'm not listening, but it's probably more a case of KU fans really wanting him to be shamed so they all agree that Wetzel shamed him but really he didn't shame him.
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Holy sh*t... this Wetzel guy is completely shaming Kietzman right now.
:love:
Changes nothing. KU AD still dirty.
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Anything involving Jason King and ku is going to have to be questioned. The same article sad crooked developer laid it all out to one of the writers 4 F'ing years ago and they just sat on it . . . dollars to donuts says it was King.
What a pussy, and McCullough is even a bigger pussy.
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Anything involving Jason King and ku is going to have to be questioned. The same article sad crooked developer laid it all out to one of the writers 4 F'ing years ago and they just sat on it . . . dollars to donuts says it was King.
What a pussy, and McCullough is even a bigger pussy.
:bawl:
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Ben it's your athletic program that still has the IRS and FBI still investigating and at least 2 people who were prevented from speaking to ku's "independent" auditors . . . it's just a shame nobody in the kc media will ball up and really investigate this . . . plus speaking of :bawl: shouldn't you be back in Tardville :bawl: about Keitzman right now??
Any thoughts on ku booster/former player Roger Morningstar's extensive involvement in this money laundering operation??
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Still want to know where the money is.
Did the report address this? Anyone with a mortgage/property they shouldn't be able to afford? If not, where did it go?
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Still want to know where the money is.
Did the report address this? Anyone with a mortgage/property they shouldn't be able to afford? If not, where did it go?
The logical explanation, of course, is that the guys who were making hundreds of thousands of dollars on this scandal were just giving all of the money away.
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Still want to know where the money is.
Did the report address this? Anyone with a mortgage/property they shouldn't be able to afford? If not, where did it go?
The logical explanation, of course, is that the guys who were making hundreds of thousands of dollars on this scandal were just giving all of the money away.
If they were not simply handing it out, they should be able to point to an asset, gambling debt, coke habit, etc that they blew all the money on.
Where is it?
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No jedi mind tricks today Ben.
Again, any real thoughts on ku booster and former ku player Roger Morningstars extensive involvement with this money laundering operation and likely the Pump Brothers??
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Still want to know where the money is.
Did the report address this? Anyone with a mortgage/property they shouldn't be able to afford? If not, where did it go?
The logical explanation, of course, is that the guys who were making hundreds of thousands of dollars on this scandal were just giving all of the money away.
If they were not simply handing it out, they should be able to point to an asset, gambling debt, coke habit, etc that they blew all the money on.
Where is it?
It's not like these guys were poor to begin with. Don't let logic get in the way of your big bad KU conspiracy theories, though.
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And by the way, as I pointed out earlier — if he by some remote chance he didn't know, that in and of itself is a fireable offense to not be aware of your own senior staff's dealings and the loss of millions of dollars (on top of his prior unawareness of academic fraud and lack of institutional control). For a man lauded for his abilities, he sure seems to "not know" alot of stuff.
this is the issue that Lew Perkins cannot get around. He gets paid to know what's going on in his athletic dept. He knows what's going on in his athletic dept by putting controls in place that he can review to ensure that things like this don't happen. He's negligent. Either he knew what was going on and for his own reasons let it occur, or he didn't know what was going on and never put in place the controls necessary to prevent these things from happening. Either way- he's negligent. The university employs internal and external auditors, where the eff were they? They're negligent too. Ignorance is not a defense.
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Still want to know where the money is.
Did the report address this? Anyone with a mortgage/property they shouldn't be able to afford? If not, where did it go?
The logical explanation, of course, is that the guys who were making hundreds of thousands of dollars on this scandal were just giving all of the money away.
If they were not simply handing it out, they should be able to point to an asset, gambling debt, coke habit, etc that they blew all the money on.
Where is it?
It's not like these guys were poor to begin with. Don't let logic get in the way of your big bad KU conspiracy theories, though.
I don't care if they were making Bill Self money, money leaves trails unless you take pains to make sure it doesn't.
Where did it go?
BTW, some of the assist AD's were making around $100k. $100k isn't enough of a salary to hide $800k illegal compensation.
Where did it go?
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And by the way, as I pointed out earlier — if he by some remote chance he didn't know, that in and of itself is a fireable offense to not be aware of your own senior staff's dealings and the loss of millions of dollars (on top of his prior unawareness of academic fraud and lack of institutional control). For a man lauded for his abilities, he sure seems to "not know" alot of stuff.
this is the issue that Lew Perkins cannot get around. He gets paid to know what's going on in his athletic dept. He knows what's going on in his athletic dept by putting controls in place that he can review to ensure that things like this don't happen. He's negligent. Either he knew what was going on and for his own reasons let it occur, or he didn't know what was going on and never put in place the controls necessary to prevent these things from happening. Either way- he's negligent. The university employs internal and external auditors, where the shazbot! were they? They're negligent too. Ignorance is not a defense.
For the record, I agree with this. Perkins should be fired for the simple fact that this happened under his watch. Honestly, Perkins has done some great things for KU, specifically when it comes to increasing the athletic budget, but I've got no problem with moving on to a different athletic director.
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Still want to know where the money is.
Did the report address this? Anyone with a mortgage/property they shouldn't be able to afford? If not, where did it go?
The logical explanation, of course, is that the guys who were making hundreds of thousands of dollars on this scandal were just giving all of the money away.
If they were not simply handing it out, they should be able to point to an asset, gambling debt, coke habit, etc that they blew all the money on.
Where is it?
It's not like these guys were poor to begin with. Don't let logic get in the way of your big bad KU conspiracy theories, though.
I don't care if they were making Bill Self money, money leaves trails unless you take pains to make sure it doesn't.
Where did it go?
BTW, some of the assist AD's were making around $100k. $100k isn't enough of a salary to hide $800k illegal compensation.
Where did it go?
It's like a broken record.
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Still want to know where the money is.
Did the report address this? Anyone with a mortgage/property they shouldn't be able to afford? If not, where did it go?
The logical explanation, of course, is that the guys who were making hundreds of thousands of dollars on this scandal were just giving all of the money away.
If they were not simply handing it out, they should be able to point to an asset, gambling debt, coke habit, etc that they blew all the money on.
Where is it?
It's not like these guys were poor to begin with. Don't let logic get in the way of your big bad KU conspiracy theories, though.
So if they weren't poor . . . and since we can assume they weren't poor because they earned most of their money through legit business operations. Why engage in something that if caught would likely land them in prison?? I guess we can just say they had money, but were really stupid huh??
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Still want to know where the money is.
Did the report address this? Anyone with a mortgage/property they shouldn't be able to afford? If not, where did it go?
The logical explanation, of course, is that the guys who were making hundreds of thousands of dollars on this scandal were just giving all of the money away.
If they were not simply handing it out, they should be able to point to an asset, gambling debt, coke habit, etc that they blew all the money on.
Where is it?
It's not like these guys were poor to begin with. Don't let logic get in the way of your big bad KU conspiracy theories, though.
So if they weren't poor . . . and since we can assume they weren't poor because they earned most of their money through legit business operations. Why engage in something that if caught would likely land them in prison?? I guess we can just say they had money, but were really stupid huh??
Well, yeah. Apparently Jones was doing the same crap when he worked for OU.
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And by the way, as I pointed out earlier — if he by some remote chance he didn't know, that in and of itself is a fireable offense to not be aware of your own senior staff's dealings and the loss of millions of dollars (on top of his prior unawareness of academic fraud and lack of institutional control). For a man lauded for his abilities, he sure seems to "not know" alot of stuff.
this is the issue that Lew Perkins cannot get around. He gets paid to know what's going on in his athletic dept. He knows what's going on in his athletic dept by putting controls in place that he can review to ensure that things like this don't happen. He's negligent. Either he knew what was going on and for his own reasons let it occur, or he didn't know what was going on and never put in place the controls necessary to prevent these things from happening. Either way- he's negligent. The university employs internal and external auditors, where the shazbot! were they? They're negligent too. Ignorance is not a defense.
For the record, I agree with this. Perkins should be fired for the simple fact that this happened under his watch. Honestly, Perkins has done some great things for KU, specifically when it comes to increasing the athletic budget, but I've got no problem with moving on to a different athletic director.
i seriously doubt they fire him as long as he didn't put the university's athletic program's in harms way, which it doesn't sound like he did. i wouldn't fire him unless he did. he's still +several hundred milion dollars on the University's balance sheet and the reality is that's what's most important.
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Ben could you point us to actual legit sources on the "apparently" Jones was doing the same $hit at OU.
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Ben could you point us to actual legit sources on the "apparently" Jones was doing the same $hit at OU.
Let me get this straight... the guy who has been speculating all day long about "funneling money" to recruits wants concrete sources now? You honestly can't make this kind of stuff up, folks.
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Okay then, since apparently it was such common knowledge that Jones was "doing the same $hit" at OU . . . why did ku hire him??
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Okay then, since apparently it was such common knowledge that Jones was "doing the same $hit" at OU . . . why did ku hire him??
THIS... :dunno:
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No jedi mind tricks today Ben.
Again, any real thoughts on ku booster and former ku player Roger Morningstars extensive involvement with this money laundering operation and likely the Pump Brothers??
Sounds like some awesome 70's porno, where two bros go around and pump babes
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Okay then, since apparently it was such common knowledge that Jones was "doing the same $hit" at OU . . . why did ku hire him??
It wasn't common knowledge. The story has only recently come out to the public.
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I love the theory that Lew "they don't call him Dollar Bill for nothin" Perkins allowed $3 million in tickets to just slip through the cracks.
Love it.
$3 million was face value on the tickets. wasn't it illegal to resell some of these tickets even at face value? so to make money on these types of tickets what do you do? you give them to your good buddy who will make a killing on them. good buddy in return donates a percentage of the proceeds to athletic department. not only does good buddy get cash in his pocket he gets a tax write off for making a charitable donation
brilliant. Lew, if idiots in Lawrence run you out of town you are always welcome in Manhattan.
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Any thoughts on why a bunch of guys who supposedly already had money made through semi-legit means would want to be involved in a ticket scalping operation that for all purposes really only netted at least one individual . . . ku booster Roger Morningstar a couple of hundred thousand dollars over a 5 year period, if that much even. Why risk prison and jail if you've supposedly already have money over relative chump change like that??
Or maybe because ku booster Roger Morningstar was highly engaged in a corrupt AAU basketball operation who were involved with numerous ku recruits and the ticket scalping was a seemingly untrackable (hell Tardville says they outsmarted business genius Lew Perkins and those ku auditors right . . . hell they even outsmarted the post Hemmenway era auditors) cash only enterprise, and the only reason why we are talkingn about that cash only enterprise today is because somebody dropped a dime on it . . . otherwise it will still be perculating right along today. Generating thousands of dollars in cash and putting nice chunks of that cash in the hands of ku booster and AAU coach/organizer Roger Morningstar.
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Would have thought this board, thought it, was too elite to dwell on KU so thoroughly.
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When there's major corruption at your little sister school it must be examined completely.
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And by the way, as I pointed out earlier — if he by some remote chance he didn't know, that in and of itself is a fireable offense to not be aware of your own senior staff's dealings and the loss of millions of dollars (on top of his prior unawareness of academic fraud and lack of institutional control). For a man lauded for his abilities, he sure seems to "not know" alot of stuff.
this is the issue that Lew Perkins cannot get around. He gets paid to know what's going on in his athletic dept. He knows what's going on in his athletic dept by putting controls in place that he can review to ensure that things like this don't happen. He's negligent. Either he knew what was going on and for his own reasons let it occur, or he didn't know what was going on and never put in place the controls necessary to prevent these things from happening. Either way- he's negligent. The university employs internal and external auditors, where the shazbot! were they? They're negligent too. Ignorance is not a defense.
For the record, I agree with this. Perkins should be fired for the simple fact that this happened under his watch. Honestly, Perkins has done some great things for KU, specifically when it comes to increasing the athletic budget, but I've got no problem with moving on to a different athletic director.
i seriously doubt they fire him as long as he didn't put the university's athletic program's in harms way, which it doesn't sound like he did. i wouldn't fire him unless he did. he's still +several hundred milion dollars on the University's balance sheet and the reality is that's what's most important.
Good posts by both posters 's'clams and beems. Great kids here. Great kids.
's'clams, couldn't you say that Lew's negligence may or may not bring NCAA investigators (i.e. possible harm) to the KU basketball and football programs, assuming they decide to grow a pair and actually sniff around? I would say that if the NCAA and/or FBI, IRS, etc. start making serious dents in KU's pocketbook, Lew is gone. Or, maybe he's gone anyway, because there may be some significant declines in donations because of this whole fiasco. Either way, he's gonna ride off into the sunset smoking $100 bills :love: :love:
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Would have thought this board, thought it, was too elite to dwell on KU so thoroughly.
It's the offseason, there is jack squat to talk about unless you go and make another video*
*blatant hint
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I love the theory that Lew "they don't call him Dollar Bill for nothin" Perkins allowed $3 million in tickets to just slip through the cracks.
Love it.
Exactly... why would Lew "allow" his athletic department to lose money?
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Um... pretty sure you are misinterpreting what he's saying. :facepalm:
"Allowing" something to happen means that you're conscious of the situation. If Lew "allowed" it to happen, he knew about it. Most KU fans are claiming he didn't know about it.
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This is my favorite thing in this thread so far
Yes, and its not even close. Of anyone that is posting in this thread, (or on this board) captain crap is probably the most reliable on the subject at hand.
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Still want to know where the money is.
Did the report address this? Anyone with a mortgage/property they shouldn't be able to afford? If not, where did it go?
The logical explanation, of course, is that the guys who were making hundreds of thousands of dollars on this scandal were just giving all of the money away.
If they were not simply handing it out, they should be able to point to an asset, gambling debt, coke habit, etc that they blew all the money on.
Where is it?
It's not like these guys were poor to begin with. Don't let logic get in the way of your big bad KU conspiracy theories, though.
I don't care if they were making Bill Self money, money leaves trails unless you take pains to make sure it doesn't.
Where did it go?
BTW, some of the assist AD's were making around $100k. $100k isn't enough of a salary to hide $800k illegal compensation.
Where did it go?
It's like a broken record.
Yet you still haven't responded to it.
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And by the way, as I pointed out earlier — if he by some remote chance he didn't know, that in and of itself is a fireable offense to not be aware of your own senior staff's dealings and the loss of millions of dollars (on top of his prior unawareness of academic fraud and lack of institutional control). For a man lauded for his abilities, he sure seems to "not know" alot of stuff.
this is the issue that Lew Perkins cannot get around. He gets paid to know what's going on in his athletic dept. He knows what's going on in his athletic dept by putting controls in place that he can review to ensure that things like this don't happen. He's negligent. Either he knew what was going on and for his own reasons let it occur, or he didn't know what was going on and never put in place the controls necessary to prevent these things from happening. Either way- he's negligent. The university employs internal and external auditors, where the shazbot! were they? They're negligent too. Ignorance is not a defense.
For the record, I agree with this. Perkins should be fired for the simple fact that this happened under his watch. Honestly, Perkins has done some great things for KU, specifically when it comes to increasing the athletic budget, but I've got no problem with moving on to a different athletic director.
i seriously doubt they fire him as long as he didn't put the university's athletic program's in harms way, which it doesn't sound like he did. i wouldn't fire him unless he did. he's still +several hundred milion dollars on the University's balance sheet and the reality is that's what's most important.
Good posts by both posters 's'clams and beems. Great kids here. Great kids.
's'clams, couldn't you say that Lew's negligence may or may not bring NCAA investigators (i.e. possible harm) to the KU basketball and football programs, assuming they decide to grow a pair and actually sniff around? I would say that if the NCAA and/or FBI, IRS, etc. start making serious dents in KU's pocketbook, Lew is gone. Or, maybe he's gone anyway, because there may be some significant declines in donations because of this whole fiasco. Either way, he's gonna ride off into the sunset smoking $100 bills :love: :love:
i don't see how this is an NCAA issue. seems to me to be a case of incompetence on Lew's and the auditors part, but that's about it. there's no way LP knew about this, no way. his big problem that he can't escape from is that he hired the people that had oversight (the asst AD's and the auditors) whose reports he relied upon when he was told things were good to go. if this happened in any regular business, meaning not Athletic Dept, that had the size of balance sheet that KU's AD does, there would be no talk of firing the CEO. the auditors would be held to task, the internal oversight and accountants would be held to task but the guy at the top wouldn't be- especially given the level of success that LP has brought to KU's AD. it would make no sense to let the guy go, KU has nothing to gain from it. just revamp the controls and people in charge of overseeing them, which he's already begun doing, and move on.
the donors who are pissed about the WEF stuff will be back, they've worked to hard to get their spots/seats and aren't going to give them up b/c some retards defrauded the AD.
this is a criminal matter, not an NCAA one. IMO. the NCAA might not be impressed by what's taken place but if they're not going to take action on incidents specific to student athletes/benefits, etc like has been going on at USC then they certainly aren't going to step in here. KU has mud in their eye and has been embarassed, what more would the NCAA do?
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All I want is for Morningstar's dad to go to Prison.
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And by the way, as I pointed out earlier — if he by some remote chance he didn't know, that in and of itself is a fireable offense to not be aware of your own senior staff's dealings and the loss of millions of dollars (on top of his prior unawareness of academic fraud and lack of institutional control). For a man lauded for his abilities, he sure seems to "not know" alot of stuff.
this is the issue that Lew Perkins cannot get around. He gets paid to know what's going on in his athletic dept. He knows what's going on in his athletic dept by putting controls in place that he can review to ensure that things like this don't happen. He's negligent. Either he knew what was going on and for his own reasons let it occur, or he didn't know what was going on and never put in place the controls necessary to prevent these things from happening. Either way- he's negligent. The university employs internal and external auditors, where the shazbot! were they? They're negligent too. Ignorance is not a defense.
For the record, I agree with this. Perkins should be fired for the simple fact that this happened under his watch. Honestly, Perkins has done some great things for KU, specifically when it comes to increasing the athletic budget, but I've got no problem with moving on to a different athletic director.
i seriously doubt they fire him as long as he didn't put the university's athletic program's in harms way, which it doesn't sound like he did. i wouldn't fire him unless he did. he's still +several hundred milion dollars on the University's balance sheet and the reality is that's what's most important.
Good posts by both posters 's'clams and beems. Great kids here. Great kids.
's'clams, couldn't you say that Lew's negligence may or may not bring NCAA investigators (i.e. possible harm) to the KU basketball and football programs, assuming they decide to grow a pair and actually sniff around? I would say that if the NCAA and/or FBI, IRS, etc. start making serious dents in KU's pocketbook, Lew is gone. Or, maybe he's gone anyway, because there may be some significant declines in donations because of this whole fiasco. Either way, he's gonna ride off into the sunset smoking $100 bills :love: :love:
i don't see how this is an NCAA issue. seems to me to be a case of incompetence on Lew's and the auditors part, but that's about it. there's no way LP knew about this, no way. his big problem that he can't escape from is that he hired the people that had oversight (the asst AD's and the auditors) whose reports he relied upon when he was told things were good to go. if this happened in any regular business, meaning not Athletic Dept, that had the size of balance sheet that KU's AD does, there would be no talk of firing the CEO. the auditors would be held to task, the internal oversight and accountants would be held to task but the guy at the top wouldn't be- especially given the level of success that LP has brought to KU's AD. it would make no sense to let the guy go, KU has nothing to gain from it. just revamp the controls and people in charge of overseeing them, which he's already begun doing, and move on.
the donors who are pissed about the WEF stuff will be back, they've worked to hard to get their spots/seats and aren't going to give them up b/c some retards defrauded the AD.
this is a criminal matter, not an NCAA one. IMO. the NCAA might not be impressed by what's taken place but if they're not going to take action on incidents specific to student athletes/benefits, etc like has been going on at USC then they certainly aren't going to step in here. KU has mud in their eye and has been embarassed, what more would the NCAA do?
Morningstar's involvement could warrent an NCAA investigation. However, as you alluded to re USC, nothing would come of it. Even if it came out that morningstar was funnelling money to players (which he most assuredly was) nothing will happen.
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The biggest issue ku has is Morningstar . . . but they'll likely not have to worry about it because the NCAA won't get off its ass and do anything. If they do, ku is in world of $hit or NYU-Albany better just go ahead and board up their basketball program now.
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And by the way, as I pointed out earlier — if he by some remote chance he didn't know, that in and of itself is a fireable offense to not be aware of your own senior staff's dealings and the loss of millions of dollars (on top of his prior unawareness of academic fraud and lack of institutional control). For a man lauded for his abilities, he sure seems to "not know" alot of stuff.
this is the issue that Lew Perkins cannot get around. He gets paid to know what's going on in his athletic dept. He knows what's going on in his athletic dept by putting controls in place that he can review to ensure that things like this don't happen. He's negligent. Either he knew what was going on and for his own reasons let it occur, or he didn't know what was going on and never put in place the controls necessary to prevent these things from happening. Either way- he's negligent. The university employs internal and external auditors, where the shazbot! were they? They're negligent too. Ignorance is not a defense.
For the record, I agree with this. Perkins should be fired for the simple fact that this happened under his watch. Honestly, Perkins has done some great things for KU, specifically when it comes to increasing the athletic budget, but I've got no problem with moving on to a different athletic director.
i seriously doubt they fire him as long as he didn't put the university's athletic program's in harms way, which it doesn't sound like he did. i wouldn't fire him unless he did. he's still +several hundred milion dollars on the University's balance sheet and the reality is that's what's most important.
Good posts by both posters 's'clams and beems. Great kids here. Great kids.
's'clams, couldn't you say that Lew's negligence may or may not bring NCAA investigators (i.e. possible harm) to the KU basketball and football programs, assuming they decide to grow a pair and actually sniff around? I would say that if the NCAA and/or FBI, IRS, etc. start making serious dents in KU's pocketbook, Lew is gone. Or, maybe he's gone anyway, because there may be some significant declines in donations because of this whole fiasco. Either way, he's gonna ride off into the sunset smoking $100 bills :love: :love:
i don't see how this is an NCAA issue. seems to me to be a case of incompetence on Lew's and the auditors part, but that's about it. there's no way LP knew about this, no way. his big problem that he can't escape from is that he hired the people that had oversight (the asst AD's and the auditors) whose reports he relied upon when he was told things were good to go. if this happened in any regular business, meaning not Athletic Dept, that had the size of balance sheet that KU's AD does, there would be no talk of firing the CEO. the auditors would be held to task, the internal oversight and accountants would be held to task but the guy at the top wouldn't be- especially given the level of success that LP has brought to KU's AD. it would make no sense to let the guy go, KU has nothing to gain from it. just revamp the controls and people in charge of overseeing them, which he's already begun doing, and move on.
the donors who are pissed about the WEF stuff will be back, they've worked to hard to get their spots/seats and aren't going to give them up b/c some retards defrauded the AD.
this is a criminal matter, not an NCAA one. IMO. the NCAA might not be impressed by what's taken place but if they're not going to take action on incidents specific to student athletes/benefits, etc like has been going on at USC then they certainly aren't going to step in here. KU has mud in their eye and has been embarassed, what more would the NCAA do?
Morningstar's involvement could warrent an NCAA investigation. However, as you alluded to re USC, nothing would come of it. Even if it came out that morningstar was funnelling money to players (which he most assuredly was) nothing will happen.
what makes you so convinced? you do realize there are a ton of easier ways to funnel money than to involve the myriad of clowns that were wound up in this mess. and the more money you have the cleaner things like this can be handled. and the fewer people that are involved, the less chance there is that you'll get caught. if ku wanted to funnel money to players i just don't think they would do so by relying on the crew of idiots involved in this mess.
and exactly what did morningstar do that would warrant the NCAA getting involved?
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clams . . . Morningstar by every definition is a ku booster. In the era when the NCAA was actually an enforcement agency for college athletics, anytime a booster was caught up in a situation like this with a school they were a booster for . . . it would send up all kinds of red flags.
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clams . . . Morningstar by every definition is a ku booster. In the era when the NCAA was actually an enforcement agency for college athletics, anytime a booster was caught up in a situation like this with a school they were a booster for . . . it would send up all kinds of red flags.
red flags are for afternoon drivetime radio hosts. the fact that morningstar is a booster has no effect on the issue that he's been defrauding the athletic dept for how ever many number of years. there is no evidence to suggest that he was doing these things for any other reason than personal gain. again- in my opinion this is a criminal issue and not one of ncaa rules compliance. i just don't see this as a large scale money laundering operation set up to funnel cash to KU's basketball players, it doesn't make any sense.
tons of wrongdoing, but improper benefits? i'm not buying it.
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Maybe this explains how notable ku booster and convicted felon David Wittig scored plum seats to watch his beloved Hawks in Allen Fieldhouse while awaiting his trip to the big house.
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http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=182190
personal highlights
On a serious note, Roger and Linda have been willing to boost Sherron’s spirits when he’s down.
And that’s not often, despite the injuries.
“He doesn’t have a dad or mom in Kansas. We take as much a role as we can,” Roger said of his relationship with Sherron, who is quite close to his mom, Stacey, and uncle Walt, as well as some other relatives. Collins’ dad, who at one time was incarcerated, lives in Minnesota.
“We have to walk a tight line between being parent and booster,” Roger Morningstar said. “It’s legal (by NCAA rules) to have them over for dinner and talk. So we’ve had them over a lot.”
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It started the in June of 2006, when Collins showed up in Lawrence for the start of summer school.
“Coach (Bill Self) said, ‘This is Sherron,’ and we clicked right away,” said Brady Morningstar, who immediately shot baskets with Collins in Horejsi Center. “We’ve been roommates ever since. I mean, I wouldn’t even call him a best friend. He’s my brother. I grew up with two sisters. He’s a brother to me. We have a bond not many people have.”
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clams . . . Morningstar by every definition is a ku booster. In the era when the NCAA was actually an enforcement agency for college athletics, anytime a booster was caught up in a situation like this with a school they were a booster for . . . it would send up all kinds of red flags.
red flags are for afternoon drivetime radio hosts. the fact that morningstar is a booster has no effect on the issue that he's been defrauding the athletic dept for how ever many number of years. there is no evidence to suggest that he was doing these things for any other reason than personal gain. again- in my opinion this is a criminal issue and not one of ncaa rules compliance. i just don't see this as a large scale money laundering operation set up to funnel cash to KU's basketball players, it doesn't make any sense.
tons of wrongdoing, but improper benefits? i'm not buying it.
Clams . . . there's a perfect angle for doing this. Why engage the Pump Brothers in this operation?? If you're just looking to make extra jack on the tickets you've got access to . . . why engage a couple of guys with major entanglements in the industry you work in? When we all know there's plenty of operations that could move those tickets just as easily and just as quietly (if not moreso). That aren't running coaching seminars, coaching search firms, AAU teams and tourney's and the like and engaged with people daily where one slip of the tongue could mean the end to the whole gig and an NCAA $hit storm (plus legal). Unless you need their connections to feed you the talent that makes the tickets worth so much to begin with??
I am not saying that's what happend . . . but being able to see it happening . . .easily.
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clams . . . Morningstar by every definition is a ku booster. In the era when the NCAA was actually an enforcement agency for college athletics, anytime a booster was caught up in a situation like this with a school they were a booster for . . . it would send up all kinds of red flags.
red flags are for afternoon drivetime radio hosts. the fact that morningstar is a booster has no effect on the issue that he's been defrauding the athletic dept for how ever many number of years. there is no evidence to suggest that he was doing these things for any other reason than personal gain. again- in my opinion this is a criminal issue and not one of ncaa rules compliance. i just don't see this as a large scale money laundering operation set up to funnel cash to KU's basketball players, it doesn't make any sense.
tons of wrongdoing, but improper benefits? i'm not buying it.
I'm not even saying the operations intent was too solely funnel money to the players. Could be just a side effect because Morningstar had tons of untracable cash and no scruples. Regardless, Morningstar is a players parent who received huge improper benefits from the KU atheletic department. I'm not sure what the letter of the NCAA law is, but I would think they could look into it. :dunno:
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the pump bros were engaged b/c they had already established the relationships and connections with the people looking for the ultra high end tickets that made the bros the most money. people recognized them as scalpers and went to them when looking for the very best seats. believe it or not, it's not easy to unload those high dollar tickets without the right connections- the pumps served that purpose. they didn't care where the tix came from, they were far enough away from the transaction that they just sat back and made it all happen. jones/freeman/morningstar used the pumps as much as the pumps used them.
obviously i'm just speculating.
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clams . . . Morningstar by every definition is a ku booster. In the era when the NCAA was actually an enforcement agency for college athletics, anytime a booster was caught up in a situation like this with a school they were a booster for . . . it would send up all kinds of red flags.
red flags are for afternoon drivetime radio hosts. the fact that morningstar is a booster has no effect on the issue that he's been defrauding the athletic dept for how ever many number of years. there is no evidence to suggest that he was doing these things for any other reason than personal gain. again- in my opinion this is a criminal issue and not one of ncaa rules compliance. i just don't see this as a large scale money laundering operation set up to funnel cash to KU's basketball players, it doesn't make any sense.
tons of wrongdoing, but improper benefits? i'm not buying it.
I'm not even saying the operations intent was too solely funnel money to the players. Could be just a side effect because Morningstar had tons of untracable cash and no scruples. Regardless, Morningstar is a players parent who received huge improper benefits from the KU atheletic department. I'm not sure what the letter of the NCAA law is, but I would think they could look into it. :dunno:
Not even close.
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Someone needs to get 'ol Re’Quiya Aguirre to drop the dime on who paid for all of those visits from chi to lowrents.
Surely she's still pissed about the whole pinky/spades/vegas/badparent/sucking at basketball thing
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There's also plenty of other folks outside the pump brothers with all kinds of connections to move tickets. One part using the other and vicer versa is a given. What I am saying again is, there's plenty of "organizations" that can move high roller tickets that have nothing close to the entanglements the pump brothers have. It's perfectly plausible that they felt the risks were worth taking in engaging the pumps because the pumps are players in the talent pool that want to pick from. The other "organizations" are simply about the cash and moving the tickets.
Really Bentard . . . so Daddy Morningstar pocketing thousands of extra dollars garnered through an illegal ticket scalping operation being conducted right out of the ku athletic department offices wouldn't even get a hint of a look as far as being an improper inducement?? Really? LOL.
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clams . . . Morningstar by every definition is a ku booster. In the era when the NCAA was actually an enforcement agency for college athletics, anytime a booster was caught up in a situation like this with a school they were a booster for . . . it would send up all kinds of red flags.
red flags are for afternoon drivetime radio hosts. the fact that morningstar is a booster has no effect on the issue that he's been defrauding the athletic dept for how ever many number of years. there is no evidence to suggest that he was doing these things for any other reason than personal gain. again- in my opinion this is a criminal issue and not one of ncaa rules compliance. i just don't see this as a large scale money laundering operation set up to funnel cash to KU's basketball players, it doesn't make any sense.
tons of wrongdoing, but improper benefits? i'm not buying it.
I'm not even saying the operations intent was too solely funnel money to the players. Could be just a side effect because Morningstar had tons of untracable cash and no scruples. Regardless, Morningstar is a players parent who received huge improper benefits from the KU atheletic department. I'm not sure what the letter of the NCAA law is, but I would think they could look into it. :dunno:
Not even close.
yes he did. can't even be questioned.
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Bottom line, Morningstar was not on scholarship for at least one year (maybe two??) if I'm not mistaken. So... what part of his dad selling tickets and using that money to pay for his walk-on membership to the team isn't an NCAA violation? Come on, he might as well been on scholarship.
Is no one else seeing a problem here? That's an added benefit... especially if Lew is in on it. I'm not saying he is, but c'mon, it's hard for him to not see that kind of stuff missing. If there's smoke, there's probably a fire...
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So ku had a consultant on the payroll getting paid $115,000 a year (for 3 years) and Lew . . . just didn't know. :dunno:
By the hour it appears more and more like ku athletics was pretty much only a half notch below Wal-Mart in size and scope, where consultants getting paid 6 figures, and 3,500 tickets a year just fading off into oblivion in a money laundering and ticket scalping enterprise being run right out of the ku athletics offices would have flown right under the radar . . . who knew . . . who knew. :dunno: :dunno:
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clams . . . Morningstar by every definition is a ku booster. In the era when the NCAA was actually an enforcement agency for college athletics, anytime a booster was caught up in a situation like this with a school they were a booster for . . . it would send up all kinds of red flags.
red flags are for afternoon drivetime radio hosts. the fact that morningstar is a booster has no effect on the issue that he's been defrauding the athletic dept for how ever many number of years. there is no evidence to suggest that he was doing these things for any other reason than personal gain. again- in my opinion this is a criminal issue and not one of ncaa rules compliance. i just don't see this as a large scale money laundering operation set up to funnel cash to KU's basketball players, it doesn't make any sense.
tons of wrongdoing, but improper benefits? i'm not buying it.
I'm not even saying the operations intent was too solely funnel money to the players. Could be just a side effect because Morningstar had tons of untracable cash and no scruples. Regardless, Morningstar is a players parent who received huge improper benefits from the KU atheletic department. I'm not sure what the letter of the NCAA law is, but I would think they could look into it. :dunno:
Not even close.
yes he did. can't even be questioned.
yeah. this is the thing that you would think would cause the ncaa to at least be interested. here is a guy who had three kids play varsity sports at ku in and around the time that an athletic department member helped him set up a way to illegally make tens of thousands of dollars. why wouldn't the ncaa at least be interested in the father of multiple jayhawk recruits and eventual scholarship holders striking a deal like this with an athletic dept employee?
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This is the latest black eye for a Kansas program that last year made news when members of the basketball and football teams got into fights with one another on campus.
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KenPom ran the statistics on this and determined KU is the trashiest program in the country
This is the latest black eye for a Kansas program that last year made news when members of the basketball and football teams got into fights with one another on campus.
KenPom or Zagoria ??? http://www.zagsblog.com/2010/05/27/kansas-rocked-by-ticket-scandal-payne-to-kentucky-jersey-to-drop-toc-harkless-to-south-kent/#more-34355
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KenPom ran the statistics on this and determined KU is the trashiest program in the country
This is the latest black eye for a Kansas program that last year made news when members of the basketball and football teams got into fights with one another on campus.
KenPom or Zagoria ??? http://www.zagsblog.com/2010/05/27/kansas-rocked-by-ticket-scandal-payne-to-kentucky-jersey-to-drop-toc-harkless-to-south-kent/#more-34355
damnit, my stats joke is out the window :frown:
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So ku had a consultant on the payroll getting paid $115,000 a year (for 3 years) and Lew . . . just didn't know. :dunno:
By the hour it appears more and more like ku athletics was pretty much only a half notch below Wal-Mart in size and scope, where consultants getting paid 6 figures, and 3,500 tickets a year just fading off into oblivion in a money laundering and ticket scalping enterprise being run right out of the ku athletics offices would have flown right under the radar . . . who knew . . . who knew. :dunno: :dunno:
i think it was $115k over 3 years
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Maybe this explains how notable ku booster and convicted felon David Wittig scored plum seats to watch his beloved Hawks in Allen Fieldhouse while awaiting his trip to the big house.
Could also explain why a Federal Court Judge, who makes approx $150k (give or take) has better seats than people who give $2 million plus a year. Strange how that "points" system works.
I am starting to think, more and more, that Lew is the Smoke Monster.
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Yeah it was over 3 years . . . however, I am sure that showed up on an expense report somewhere, you can't convince me that ku athletics is such a massive operation that at some point a nearly $40K a year expense for consulting wouldn't have been questioned by the CEO. It's consulting, not the facilities guy hiring a plumber to re-do a $hitter . . . most senior executives I know running business enterprises or divisions of business enterprises that do hundreds of millions if not billions of dollars worth of business. Are going to ask at some point in time just who in the hell is this guy they're paying $40k a year for "consulting" . . . and just what the hell is that they are "consulting" about or for. So either someone wasn't listing the expense as consulting, or Lew wasn't paying any attention.
Maybe I am missing something, but in my industry, you start tossing the word "Consultant" around and all the way to the top they're going to want to know who, what and why the moment they see it on any expense/payroll report.
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Pump brothers. Sounds like something from a Quentin Tarantino movie or porn.
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guys-
many of you are misreading this thread title and posting things unrelated to the current jayhawk basketball players fathers alleged secret deal w/ ku athletic employees and the tens of thousands of dollars that he made from the deal. where does brady end up next year? washburn? emporia state? my money is on baker.
OT: should the player be the one punished if a handler or family member accepts improper benefits in an attempt to steer someone to a university?
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guys-
many of you are misreading this thread title and posting things unrelated to the current jayhawk basketball players fathers alleged secret deal w/ ku athletic employees and the tens of thousands of dollars that he made from the deal. where does brady end up next year? washburn? emporia state? my money is on baker.
OT: should the player be the one punished if a handler or family member accepts improper benefits in an attempt to steer someone to a university?
Excellent point Daris, time to refocus on ku booster Roger Morningstar . . . and likely add in the Pump brothers and the co-mingling of the pump brothers, Roger Morningstar ku booster, Bill Self ku basketball coach, Lew Perkins ku athletic director, danny mannaing ku assistant and various other former, current players and DOBO's.
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guys-
many of you are misreading this thread title and posting things unrelated to the current jayhawk basketball players fathers alleged secret deal w/ ku athletic employees and the tens of thousands of dollars that he made from the deal. where does brady end up next year? washburn? emporia state? my money is on baker.
OT: should the player be the one punished if a handler or family member accepts improper benefits in an attempt to steer someone to a university?
Excellent point Daris, time to refocus on ku booster Roger Morningstar . . . and likely add in the Pump brothers and the co-mingling of the pump brothers, Roger Morningstar ku booster, Bill Self ku basketball coach, Lew Perkins ku athletic director, danny mannaing ku assistant and various other former, current players and DOBO's.
another question is this...
if ku athletics was willing to do this for the father of a pretty good basketball player and two volleyball players, what were they willing to give the father of a superstar player like xavier henry or mario chalmers? :dunno:
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Remember Danny Manning? Sheesh.
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KenPom ran the statistics on this and determined KU is the trashiest program in the country
This is the latest black eye for a Kansas program that last year made news when members of the basketball and football teams got into fights with one another on campus.
KenPom or Zagoria ??? http://www.zagsblog.com/2010/05/27/kansas-rocked-by-ticket-scandal-payne-to-kentucky-jersey-to-drop-toc-harkless-to-south-kent/#more-34355
damnit, my stats joke is out the window :frown:
:embarrassed:
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Who knows Daris . . . but I took a sampling of 3 random people out here and they're not talking about it, so apparently nobody cares, so I've concluded once again, outside of the Midwest, nobody really cares about ku basketball.
Had this happened at Duke, or Kentucky or UNC, it would be blowing up the airwaves on the WWL and WWL Radio as well as sportstalk nationwide.
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if ku athletics was willing to do this for the father of a pretty good basketball player and two volleyball players, what were they willing to give the father of a superstar player like xavier henry or mario chalmers? :dunno:
this isn't actually a hypothetical
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I wonder if BKD has done a breakdown of how much employees of ku paid Roger Morningstar when Brady Morningstar was a Jayhawk recruit versus how much ku employees paid Roger Morningstar when Brady was actually on the Jayhawks Men's basketball team?
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Yeah it was over 3 years . . . however, I am sure that showed up on an expense report somewhere, you can't convince me that ku athletics is such a massive operation that at some point a nearly $40K a year expense for consulting wouldn't have been questioned by the CEO. It's consulting, not the facilities guy hiring a plumber to re-do a $hitter . . . most senior executives I know running business enterprises or divisions of business enterprises that do hundreds of millions if not billions of dollars worth of business. Are going to ask at some point in time just who in the hell is this guy they're paying $40k a year for "consulting" . . . and just what the hell is that they are "consulting" about or for. So either someone wasn't listing the expense as consulting, or Lew wasn't paying any attention.
Maybe I am missing something, but in my industry, you start tossing the word "Consultant" around and all the way to the top they're going to want to know who, what and why the moment they see it on any expense/payroll report.
As far as Lew goes, this is a very valid point.
In my experience, everyone has an approval limit that they can sign a contract for. $40k is never below such a limit that someone's boss doesn't have to review and sign off on it.
Lew knew.
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Yeah it was over 3 years . . . however, I am sure that showed up on an expense report somewhere, you can't convince me that ku athletics is such a massive operation that at some point a nearly $40K a year expense for consulting wouldn't have been questioned by the CEO. It's consulting, not the facilities guy hiring a plumber to re-do a $hitter . . . most senior executives I know running business enterprises or divisions of business enterprises that do hundreds of millions if not billions of dollars worth of business. Are going to ask at some point in time just who in the hell is this guy they're paying $40k a year for "consulting" . . . and just what the hell is that they are "consulting" about or for. So either someone wasn't listing the expense as consulting, or Lew wasn't paying any attention.
Maybe I am missing something, but in my industry, you start tossing the word "Consultant" around and all the way to the top they're going to want to know who, what and why the moment they see it on any expense/payroll report.
As far as Lew goes, this is a very valid point.
In my experience, everyone has an approval limit that they can sign a contract for. $40k is never below such a limit that someone's boss doesn't have to review and sign off on it.
Lew knew.
Yeah, and I am not saying that Lew has to sit there and micromanage the group that's hired a consultant. But any Senior Manager worth a damn is going to ask at some point who, what and why when it comes to any consultant being brought in. That's why I am laughing at Tardville and their little anecdotes about how in their business they can hire consultants anytime they want. That may be so, but more times than not the senior mangement 1. Knows that a consultant(s) have been hired. 2. Knows the what fors and why the consultant was hired. Plus if any business is hiring to many consultants, any senior manager worth a crap is going to start asking why people can't seem to do their job without a freaking consultant.
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Holy sh*t... this Wetzel guy is completely shaming Kietzman right now.
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I listened to the entire podcast.....at what point was Wetzel shaming Kietzman? :dunno:
He appeared to indicate that this could happen at lots of places, but Kietzman was agreeing with him.
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Holy sh*t... this Wetzel guy is completely shaming Kietzman right now.
:love:
I listened to the entire podcast.....at what point was Wetzel shaming Kietzman? :dunno:
He appeared to indicate that this could happen at lots of places, but Kietzman was agreeing with him.
Don't worry about it . . . Tardville has such an amazing stiffy for Keitzman, all the blood has left their brains.
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So what does this all mean? Worse case scenario for KU, what is the possibility for Sanctions on the B-Ball program?
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So what does this all mean? Worse case scenario for KU, what is the possibility for Sanctions on the B-Ball program?
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they just look like jackasses and it's hilarious.
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This thing is a lot deeper than the media is letting on right now. Too many people involved for this to have no implications on sanctions against them.
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This thing is a lot deeper than the media is letting on right now. Too many people involved for this to have no implications on sanctions against them.
I guess I should have said there will be no significant sanctions. Slap on the wrist, maybe a scholarship reduction. They won't miss a beat.
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There's way more to the story . . . and the NCAA is likely not going to do anything.
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There's way more to the story . . . and the NCAA is likely not going to do anything.
agree
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There's way more to the story . . . and the NCAA is likely not going to do anything.
Thank god for KU basketball to cure off-season boredom.
I doubt if anything comes from this ticket probe. However, its quite possible that those implicated in the current probe could start singing about any other illegal activities in the KU basketball program, in an attempt to save their own skin. That's when it could get really interesting.
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There's way more to the story . . . and the NCAA is likely not going to do anything.
agree
It looks like a lot of the proceeds from the sales were cash, and cash in notoriously difficult to trace. I have few doubts that this money found its way to players, AAU coaches, etc. for the benefit of the University of Kansas basketball program, but the difficulty of proving transactions, especially those conducted with cash, will be next to impossible. It's not that the NCAA won't do anything, it's very likely they can't do anything.
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http://www2.ljworld.com/photos/galleries/2010/may/26/ku-ticket-investigation/
love the prominent mentions of bauer brook court as well as the sinks and compton stuff. should get pretty good.
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http://www2.ljworld.com/photos/galleries/2010/may/26/ku-ticket-investigation/
love the prominent mentions of bauer brook court as well as the sinks and compton stuff. should get pretty good.
Wow
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So what does this all mean? Worse case scenario for KU, what is the possibility for Sanctions on the B-Ball program?
That is worst case. I think the worst case in Lew's mind is that they will be foreced to lift the veil on the points system at the Williams fund and certain donors who gave millions will realize they were sitting behind friends of Lew, judges, politicians or folks who simply scalped tix to line Morningstar's pockets who gave $1500 or something nominal. Some donors are going to be seriously pissed.
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Freeman’s disclosures already had triggered the federal investigations that Cornwell expects to lead to federal charges including theft, money laundering and tax evasion. He owned land and started construction of a home that now is owned and occupied by KU Coach Bill Self.
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So what does this all mean? Worse case scenario for KU, what is the possibility for Sanctions on the B-Ball program?
That is worst case. I think the worst case in Lew's mind is that they will be foreced to lift the veil on the points system at the Williams fund and certain donors who gave millions will realize they were sitting behind friends of Lew, judges, politicians or folks who simply scalped tix to line Morningstar's pockets who gave $1500 or something nominal. Some donors are going to be seriously pissed.
LSOC is right on the mark I think. They didn't kill the golden goose by any means but they wounded it for the next year or two.
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So what does this all mean? Worse case scenario for KU, what is the possibility for Sanctions on the B-Ball program?
That is worst case. I think the worst case in Lew's mind is that they will be foreced to lift the veil on the points system at the Williams fund and certain donors who gave millions will realize they were sitting behind friends of Lew, judges, politicians or folks who simply scalped tix to line Morningstar's pockets who gave $1500 or something nominal. Some donors are going to be seriously pissed.
i think worst case for ku athletics is that they fire Perkins over this.
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Dick Weiss ticket scandal at kansas. yahoo.com reports local real estate developer, former ku player roger morningstar, former head of williams foundation, pump brothers are involved.
Yesterday at 7:54pm · Comment ·LikeUnlike
Dick Weiss irs, fbi are investigating. ku internal invest has ended with six resignations
Yesterday at 7:55pmDick Weiss we'll have to see where this one goes
Yesterday at 7:57pmSammy Albano A players father also-how about some vacated wins. If this was a school John Calipari was coaching at, the haters would want the death penalty!
Yesterday at 8:09pmKen Davis Hoops, I watched the press conference on streaming video. What a sickening display. Based on an internal report, KU was the victim. That was the company word. Wow!
Yesterday at 8:31pmKen Davis Despite the CYA attitude today, I don't think there are any NCAA violations. However, the feds might be more than a little upset. Far from over.
Yesterday at 8:51pmDick Weiss i agree. but pumps, morningstsar, freeman u employees may take serious heat let's see how ncaa reacts against outside influences.
about an hour ago
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The old guy from the board of regents looked/acted pretty pissed off last night on the news, or he hadn't drank any prune juice during the day.
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The old guy from the board of regents looked/acted pretty pissed off last night on the news, or he hadn't drank any prune juice during the day.
board of regents not happy. not sure that the chancellor chick has much of a choice but to get rid of lew...
http://www.kansasregents.org/board_responds_to_ku_athletics_report
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I've got 2 questions, and i'm not going to pretend i am reading through these reports.
1.) How pissed are the KBR going to be when an audit was done and came out all nice and shiny and this crap was taking place.
2.) Why am i seeing all this chatter that the case against Joe College has been dropped?
The 2 are unrelated right?
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2.) Why am i seeing all this chatter that the case against Joe College has been dropped?
:surprised:
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I've got 2 questions, and i'm not going to pretend i am reading through these reports.
1.) How pissed are the KBR going to be when an audit was done and came out all nice and shiny and this crap was taking place.
2.) Why am i seeing all this chatter that the case against Joe College has been dropped?
The 2 are unrelated right?
The case was settled. What I have heard is that Lew(KU's Ath Dept) is waiving Sink's settlement payment. Settlement was roughly $800k.
So KU essentially won the case, but decided that no payment is necessary.
Gotta be some black mail in there somewhere.
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I've got 2 questions, and i'm not going to pretend i am reading through these reports.
1.) How pissed are the KBR going to be when an audit was done and came out all nice and shiny and this crap was taking place.
2.) Why am i seeing all this chatter that the case against Joe College has been dropped?
The 2 are unrelated right?
The case was settled. What I have heard is that Lew(KU's Ath Dept) is waiving Sink's settlement payment. Settlement was roughly $800k.
So KU essentially won the case, but decided that no payment is necessary.
Gotta be some black mail in there somewhere.
the case cost ku around a million to try it. odd that they would not try to collect on the settlement.
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I've got 2 questions, and i'm not going to pretend i am reading through these reports.
1.) How pissed are the KBR going to be when an audit was done and came out all nice and shiny and this crap was taking place.
2.) Why am i seeing all this chatter that the case against Joe College has been dropped?
The 2 are unrelated right?
The case was settled. What I have heard is that Lew(KU's Ath Dept) is waiving Sink's settlement payment. Settlement was roughly $800k.
So KU essentially won the case, but decided that no payment is necessary.
Gotta be some black mail in there somewhere.
the case cost ku around a million to try it. odd that they would not try to collect on the settlement.
Yeah, this makes absolutely no sense to me. Some people were saying that Sinks was basically bankrupt and that Lew might be taking mercy on him. I don't buy that for a second. Lew is way too much of a shark to do that.
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I've got 2 questions, and i'm not going to pretend i am reading through these reports.
1.) How pissed are the KBR going to be when an audit was done and came out all nice and shiny and this crap was taking place.
2.) Why am i seeing all this chatter that the case against Joe College has been dropped?
The 2 are unrelated right?
The case was settled. What I have heard is that Lew(KU's Ath Dept) is waiving Sink's settlement payment. Settlement was roughly $800k.
So KU essentially won the case, but decided that no payment is necessary.
Gotta be some black mail in there somewhere.
When the FBI and US Attorney's office is asking the questions, no "confidentality agreement" made in exchange for an agreement not to execute on a judgment is going to stop them.
If the FBI/IRS/US A's office don't talk to Sink they aren't done.
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The rich part of this scandal is that ku fans, during the Prince secret contract and related audit, crowed about LHC Bill Snyder committing tax fraud, and that other people associated with that debacle were facing criminal charges. Those same fans are now playing down the scope of this HUGE scandal, and it looks like several ku employees and hangers-on will face criminal indictment.
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Well here is the bad news part
I know personally someone on the team’s dad (not going to name names) has boasted at his office that he has TONS of tickets for each home game and has been giving them out.
Now how many tickets does the family of each player get per game? It can’t be THAT many.
Now from this example and other things I have seen personally, I’m starting to wonder who got these tickets/who also reaped the benefits from it/how far this goes
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New Tardville "Logic"-Completely aghast that anyone would attempt to make any type of connection between ku booster Roger Morningstar/Pump Brothers and impropriety in recruitment . . . just utterly dumbfounded in Tardville that anyone could possibly think that.
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New Tardville "Logic"-Completely aghast that anyone would attempt to make any type of connection between ku booster Roger Morningstar/Pump Brothers and impropriety in recruitment . . . just utterly dumbfounded in Tardville that anyone could possibly think that.
Ask them behind closed doors and they will all admit this thing looks absolutely horrid. Dude at Best Buy who installed the auto-start I bought for my new sled (ku grad) said what worries him is illicit tickets and/or cash to Morningstar from Jones (who is a ku/williams fund employee) during Brady's recruitment and playing days. It is definitely against NCAA rules to bribe/payoff parents of recruits/players.
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In a weird tangential way, we can thank the Bog Krause/Jon Wefald fiefdom for this.
Two years ago when the Board of Regents ordered the now infamous audit at K-State, this allegedly set off panic mode within the ku athletic department with Lew directing that their own audit underway be pulled and apparently cooking the books, significantly enough, that this brought the IRS into the fold.
From what I am learning......
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980am had a round table discussion on this issue this morning for a few minutes. The 610 jockey was part of it. He said that firing lew would the be equivalent of the CEO of Entercom being fired because a few disc jockeys stole some paper clips and staplers.
610 is really doing what they can to sway opinion. Lew owns them.
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980am had a round table discussion on this issue this morning for a few minutes. The 610 jockey was part of it. He said that firing lew would the be equivalent of the CEO of Entercom being fired because a few disc jockeys stole some paper clips and staplers.
610 is really doing what they can to sway opinion. Lew owns them.
Yep.
Basically, the same deal. 20,000 tickets, not inlcuding the NCAA tournament, Final Four, Orange Bowl, being brokered privately through his athletic department by his employees, all of which work in the same office, in direct proximity, over a seven year period. Attendance at private retreats with the Pump brothers, etc. etc. Millions of dollars being diverted. I mean, really, how could he have known this was going on?
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It's become more and more obvious everyday why Lew dissolved the former KU Athletics Inc. board of directors.
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they just look like jackasses and it's hilarious.
this. i'm just waiting for more awesome stories about guys with guns in hotel rooms and being on the MARTA with hundreds of thousands of dollars.
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they just look like jackasses and it's hilarious.
this. i'm just waiting for more awesome stories about guys with guns in hotel rooms and being on the MARTA with hundreds of thousands of dollars.
I can't wait until a few stories about what it was all spent on come out. Don't care about Pump, sure they spent it on coke and continuing their biz. I want to see what Rodney, Roger, etc spent it on.
Should be very entertaining.
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I guess I'm not seeing how they can say "well it was just the actions of 6 people" and leave it at that. If Delonte was paying Beasley, wouldn't the whole dept take a hit? Or could we just blame him, fire Te and walk away clean?
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I guess I'm not seeing how they can say "well it was just the actions of 6 people" and leave it at that. If Delonte was paying Beasley, wouldn't the whole dept take a hit? Or could we just blame him, fire Te and walk away clean?
No one directly related/employeed by the men's basketball program (or any athletic program) has been implemented in anything. And even so, I don't think any of this relates to the ncaa "rules". I mean, if Kurtis Townsend was doing what Roger did, I'm not sure he violated any ncaa rules.
My assumption is that the Feds will want to know where the money went so they can either establish or rule out further charges against individuals...and if they did that then potentially they might uncover players getting money from someone. I highly doubt this happens.
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The Pumps weigh in on all the money they siphoned to KU players
http://gary-parrish.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6271764/22146836?tag=comBlogEntryListCnt;entry22146836
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Well I for one am glad to see a fine and reputable organization like the Pump's have cleared this matter up.
IF the NCAA is actually paying any attention to this . . . the Rubicon will or will not be crossed based on what the IRS uncovers in the money trail. That being said, anytime a booster is mentioned in this, and ku booster Roger Morningstar's name was all over the Yahoo story . . . the NCAA's radar should be pinging . . . with emphasis on should be, but given that it's the NCAA, and now that the NCAA is purely reactive on the enforcement side, I wouldn't hold your breath.
And YES . . . the entire athletic department COULD take a hit if Te Hill is caught handing out cash . . . that COULD easily fall under the umbrella of Institutional Control.
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I'd be dumbfounded if federal investigators weren't rolling one or more of the suspects into spilling everything they know. Having said that, unless the rolled suspect witnessed payoffs or saw money changing hands inapprorpriately, the evaluation of the use of the dirty money will go nowhere. The first rule of a public corruption investigation is that you have to have an insider to get anywhere. We'll see if the feds have found their insider.
Translation: Evidence of player payoffs is speculative, but certainly not out of the question. Hey, it's ku--you know they stink and cheat, but you have to be able to prove it "beyond a reasonable doubt".
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In a weird tangential way, we can thank the Bog Krause/Jon Wefald fiefdom for this.
Two years ago when the Board of Regents ordered the now infamous audit at K-State, this allegedly set off panic mode within the ku athletic department with Lew directing that their own audit underway be pulled and apparently cooking the books, significantly enough, that this brought the IRS into the fold.
From what I am learning......
So ah Wabash . . . if I am understanding you correctly, the K-State audit findings freaked out Lew and the gang, and they put the kibosh on an audit that was going on over there . . . and "sanitized" it for public viewing??
Also hearing inklings from WEF members that they've known for years the way the game was played at ku, and was ratcheted it up significantly once Lew was hired, and they aren't buying for one second that Lew Perkin's didn't know exactly what was going on with the tickets.
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It puts the obsession on the skin. It does what it's told.
:lol:
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Bentard . . . when the K-State audit findings came out, Tardville had it out 10 pages worth of posts in about 5 hours.
So, when do you think we'll see the FBI and IRS reports on the ku athletic department Bentard??
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Remember, when dealing with ku, this the kind of great folks they are, from the 2006 NCAA Committee on Infractions report regarding Kansas Athletics:
)regarding women's basketball and self imposed sanctions . . ."the committee finds these penalties to be wholly disproportionate to the de minimus secondary infractions committed by the women 's basketball coaching staff, it notes that by the time the matter came before the committee, the penalties had already been served , as they were administered during the 2005-06 season. (Self-imposed by the institution.) . . . . (translation, ku was caught trying to make it look like they were getting tough by pointing out what they did to women's basketball for secondary infractions)
On the other hand, substantial major violations were found to have occurred in the men's basketball program , yet the institution imposed no sanctions upon this program."
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KC Pump 'n Run currently has no affiliation with the Pump brothers. But hey, keep up the good work, 'Pad.
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When did I say a word about KC Pump'n Run Bentard??
But nice emphasis on "currently".
So any idea when the FBI and IRS reports on criminal activity and money laundering are going to be issued on the Kansas University Athletic Department??
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KC Pump 'n Run currently has no affiliation with the Pump brothers. But hey, keep up the good work, 'Pad.
sounds like this whole thing is just one big misunderstanding, then. thanks for clearing it up.
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Oh I see, this is Bentard's Jedi Mind Trick deflection of the issues regarding ku booster Roger Morningstar??
So, if there's no issues, why was ku booster Roger Morningstar's name all over Yahoo's article and why is ku booster Roger Morningstar all lawyered up and is "no commenting" everything?? Plus who cares if KC Pump'N Run is or is not CURRENTLY affiliated with the Pump Brothers.
In a very recent AAU tourney in that area, ku booster Roger Morningstar was listed as one of the contacts. We all know ku booster Roger Morningstar had his fingers all over AAU hoops over the last decade or more, and he's been implicated by Yahoo has one of the major players in the ku ticket scalping money laundering operation.
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KC Pump 'n Run currently has no affiliation with the Pump brothers. But hey, keep up the good work, 'Pad.
Huh? Since WHEN??
http://www.minnesotapumpnrun.com/about.html (http://www.minnesotapumpnrun.com/about.html)
Double Pump, Inc.
Double Pump, Inc. founded in 1994 is one of the leading organizations in conducting youth tournaments and camps. Double Pump, Inc. also operates a college scouting service and a professional placement service for college coaches and athletic directors.
Founders Dana and David Pump are widely viewed as two of the most powerful and influential people in youth and college basketball. The Pump brothers have been recognized on several occasions by “The Sporting News” as two of the “Top 100 Most Powerful in Sports”.
Some of the nations top youth basketball programs are affiliated with Double Pump, Inc., including: Pump N Run Elite (CA), Double Pump Power (CA), Tucson Pump N Run (AZ), Kansas City Pump N Run (MO), Utah Pump N Run (UT) and Puerto Rico Pump N Run and now Minnesota Pump N Run.
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Hey, Ben played a lot of big time AAU ball. Don't correct him on big time AAU ball, k?
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KC Pump 'n Run currently has no affiliation with the Pump brothers. But hey, keep up the good work, 'Pad.
Huh? Since WHEN??
http://www.minnesotapumpnrun.com/about.html (http://www.minnesotapumpnrun.com/about.html)
Double Pump, Inc.
Double Pump, Inc. founded in 1994 is one of the leading organizations in conducting youth tournaments and camps. Double Pump, Inc. also operates a college scouting service and a professional placement service for college coaches and athletic directors.
Founders Dana and David Pump are widely viewed as two of the most powerful and influential people in youth and college basketball. The Pump brothers have been recognized on several occasions by “The Sporting News” as two of the “Top 100 Most Powerful in Sports”.
Some of the nations top youth basketball programs are affiliated with Double Pump, Inc., including: Pump N Run Elite (CA), Double Pump Power (CA), Tucson Pump N Run (AZ), Kansas City Pump N Run (MO), Utah Pump N Run (UT) and Puerto Rico Pump N Run and now Minnesota Pump N Run.
:confused:
Notice the word "currently." The last donation from the Pump Brothers to KC Pump 'n Run was $3000 back in '04, according to Soren Petro at 810.
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Direct or laundried through that sleezeball Morningstar?
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KC Pump 'n Run currently has no affiliation with the Pump brothers. But hey, keep up the good work, 'Pad.
Huh? Since WHEN??
http://www.minnesotapumpnrun.com/about.html (http://www.minnesotapumpnrun.com/about.html)
Double Pump, Inc.
Double Pump, Inc. founded in 1994 is one of the leading organizations in conducting youth tournaments and camps. Double Pump, Inc. also operates a college scouting service and a professional placement service for college coaches and athletic directors.
Founders Dana and David Pump are widely viewed as two of the most powerful and influential people in youth and college basketball. The Pump brothers have been recognized on several occasions by “The Sporting News” as two of the “Top 100 Most Powerful in Sports”.
Some of the nations top youth basketball programs are affiliated with Double Pump, Inc., including: Pump N Run Elite (CA), Double Pump Power (CA), Tucson Pump N Run (AZ), Kansas City Pump N Run (MO), Utah Pump N Run (UT) and Puerto Rico Pump N Run and now Minnesota Pump N Run.
:confused:
Notice the word "currently." The last donation from the Pump Brothers to KC Pump 'n Run was $3000 back in '04, according to Soren Petro at 810.
This site was created in 2009. Haven't looked up "current" but I'm old enough for 6 months ago to be "current."
Either way... your school is still as dirty as a Bankok whore.
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KC Pump 'n Run currently has no affiliation with the Pump brothers. But hey, keep up the good work, 'Pad.
Huh? Since WHEN??
http://www.minnesotapumpnrun.com/about.html (http://www.minnesotapumpnrun.com/about.html)
Double Pump, Inc.
Double Pump, Inc. founded in 1994 is one of the leading organizations in conducting youth tournaments and camps. Double Pump, Inc. also operates a college scouting service and a professional placement service for college coaches and athletic directors.
Founders Dana and David Pump are widely viewed as two of the most powerful and influential people in youth and college basketball. The Pump brothers have been recognized on several occasions by “The Sporting News” as two of the “Top 100 Most Powerful in Sports”.
Some of the nations top youth basketball programs are affiliated with Double Pump, Inc., including: Pump N Run Elite (CA), Double Pump Power (CA), Tucson Pump N Run (AZ), Kansas City Pump N Run (MO), Utah Pump N Run (UT) and Puerto Rico Pump N Run and now Minnesota Pump N Run.
:confused:
Notice the word "currently." The last donation from the Pump Brothers to KC Pump 'n Run was $3000 back in '04, according to Soren Petro at 810.
This site was created in 2009. Haven't looked up "current" but I'm old enough for 6 months ago to be "current."
Either way... your school is still as dirty as a Bankok whore.
Even Wakarusa left that crap hole because it sucked so bad
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Notice the word "currently." The last donation from the Pump Brothers to KC Pump 'n Run was $3000 back in '04, according to Soren Petro at 810.
:lol:
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http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2010/may/29/ku-athletic-director-perkins-victim-alleged-blackm/?breaking
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A Lawrence police report has surfaced identifying Kansas University Athletics Director Lew Perkins as the victim of blackmail.
Lol. A report has surfaced...........
Looks like Sweet Lew has decided to go with the time honored victim tactical diversion.
The man is truly a modern day master of media of manipulation. A fracking puppeteer.
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So I assumed Lew was blackmailed for over 1/2 a year with evidence of something he didn't do? :dunno: Seems like a long time to blackmail someone if you don't have something pretty good on them.
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What isn't mentioned is that this type of thing happens everywhere.
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I've probably been blackmailed at least 15 times in my life.
When you're wealthy and powerful this sort of stuff happens.
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What isn't mentioned is that this type of thing happens everywhere.
Lew mentioned that this has happened to him several times before.
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In the "nobody is paying attention to this" department, I was informed that CNN had several lengthy segments about ku's fraud and money laundering.
But hey, it happens everywhere.
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In the "nobody is paying attention to this" department, I was informed that CNN had several lengthy segments about ku's fraud and money laundering.
But hey, it happens everywhere.
:users:
http://cjonline.com/sports/basketball/2010-05-30/details_of_alleged_blackmail_surface (http://cjonline.com/sports/basketball/2010-05-30/details_of_alleged_blackmail_surface)
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In the "nobody is paying attention to this" department, I was informed that CNN had several lengthy segments about ku's fraud and money laundering.
But hey, it happens everywhere.
:users:
http://cjonline.com/sports/basketball/2010-05-30/details_of_alleged_blackmail_surface (http://cjonline.com/sports/basketball/2010-05-30/details_of_alleged_blackmail_surface)
My god, this keeps on getting better and better.
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In the "nobody is paying attention to this" department, I was informed that CNN had several lengthy segments about ku's fraud and money laundering.
But hey, it happens everywhere.
:users:
http://cjonline.com/sports/basketball/2010-05-30/details_of_alleged_blackmail_surface (http://cjonline.com/sports/basketball/2010-05-30/details_of_alleged_blackmail_surface)
My god, this keeps on getting better and better.
golly, what info could Lew have not wanted to be asked about in public?
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who are the three players? Arthur and who? I am guessing Sherron and cole. both seem pretty Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
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At least the workout equipment was worth it. Lew is rough ridin' ripped.
I wonder if ku folks are done posting in this thread. I'm guessing yes... this one stinks bad.
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At least the workout equipment was worth it. Lew is fracking ripped.
I wonder if ku folks are done posting in this thread. I'm guessing yes... this one stinks bad.
Who needs a sixpack when you can have a frontbutt?
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It makes you wonder how many other tickets Lew gave out for "personal favors" at the expense of the university and Williams Fund donors.....it looks like Lew is in this scandal with both feet.
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At least the workout equipment was worth it. Lew is fracking ripped.
I wonder if ku folks are done posting in this thread. I'm guessing yes... this one stinks bad.
rumblings that the controlled substances = steroids.
I expect all ku posters will avoid this thread now. All the cheating in Lawrence has ruined Ben as much as the fluke football teams collapse back to the worst in the north.
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OMG. I don't read the papers for a day and a whole new scandal breaks on the KU cesspool. It's like if you look at any slime-covered rock of criminality in Lawrence, right below is the bottom-feeding slug Big Lew.
You'd think Shrek could have parted with some of this seven-figure windfall bonus to pay this guy for storage and keep this from becoming public.
Must hear more about grades and performance drugs.
We have KU's hand-picked Douglas County DA in a real conundrum here: prosecute Dent and god knows what comes out. I think Perkins gets thrown under the bus. Investigation shows no crime was committed, and Shrek escapes Lawrence in the middle of the night.
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I'd give 10 to 1 odds that this has to do with Sinks
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I'd give 10 to 1 odds that this has to do with Sinks
In the "nobody is paying attention to this" department, I was informed that CNN had several lengthy segments about ku's fraud and money laundering.
But hey, it happens everywhere.
:users:
http://cjonline.com/sports/basketball/2010-05-30/details_of_alleged_blackmail_surface (http://cjonline.com/sports/basketball/2010-05-30/details_of_alleged_blackmail_surface)
My god, this keeps on getting better and better.
golly, what info could Lew have not wanted to be asked about in public?
Did you guys even read the article that was posted, and if so, :facepalm:
Some time in early 2005, Dent says he helped install in Perkins' basement personal exercise equipment worth $35,000. The equipment was from a company called Medical Outfitters. Co-owner Mark Glass said the cost was actually closer to $15,000. He said he did it to help Perkins do physical therapy out of his home.
"I was very clear at the time that I expected nothing nor did I want any special treatment for it," Glass told The Capital-Journal on Sunday.
Dent said Perkins instructed him to take care of the guys from Medical Outfitters.
Later that year, Glass and Patrick Carpenter, another co-owner of Medical Outfitters, appeared at a select-a-seat event at Allen Fieldhouse where they met Perkins' son-in-law, Brandon MacNeill, who then worked for Kansas Athletics. Glass and Carpenter weren't Williams Fund members but had been purchasing seats through an associate who was a member. They told Dent they were $5,000-per-year donors, which made them relatively small donors. MacNeill called Perkins, according to Dent, then got off the phone and declared, "the sky's (sic) have opened."
Glass and Carpenter were then led to section six at Allen Fieldhouse, which is at midcourt in the second section back. These weren't tickets to which $5,000 donors should have had access, Dent said.
"Not even close," Dent said.
Glass remembers it differently. He said they went to the fieldhouse and were given two options of seats. They chose the option that had four seats together.
"Never, not ever did we ask Lew to do anything," Glass said.
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It's a circus Ben . . . and no amount of your Jedi Mind Tricks obfuscation BS is going to change that reality.
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I'd give 10 to 1 odds that this has to do with Sinks
In the "nobody is paying attention to this" department, I was informed that CNN had several lengthy segments about ku's fraud and money laundering.
But hey, it happens everywhere.
:users:
http://cjonline.com/sports/basketball/2010-05-30/details_of_alleged_blackmail_surface (http://cjonline.com/sports/basketball/2010-05-30/details_of_alleged_blackmail_surface)
My god, this keeps on getting better and better.
golly, what info could Lew have not wanted to be asked about in public?
Did you guys even read the article that was posted, and if so, :facepalm:
Some time in early 2005, Dent says he helped install in Perkins' basement personal exercise equipment worth $35,000. The equipment was from a company called Medical Outfitters. Co-owner Mark Glass said the cost was actually closer to $15,000. He said he did it to help Perkins do physical therapy out of his home.
"I was very clear at the time that I expected nothing nor did I want any special treatment for it," Glass told The Capital-Journal on Sunday.
Dent said Perkins instructed him to take care of the guys from Medical Outfitters.
Later that year, Glass and Patrick Carpenter, another co-owner of Medical Outfitters, appeared at a select-a-seat event at Allen Fieldhouse where they met Perkins' son-in-law, Brandon MacNeill, who then worked for Kansas Athletics. Glass and Carpenter weren't Williams Fund members but had been purchasing seats through an associate who was a member. They told Dent they were $5,000-per-year donors, which made them relatively small donors. MacNeill called Perkins, according to Dent, then got off the phone and declared, "the sky's (sic) have opened."
Glass and Carpenter were then led to section six at Allen Fieldhouse, which is at midcourt in the second section back. These weren't tickets to which $5,000 donors should have had access, Dent said.
"Not even close," Dent said.
Glass remembers it differently. He said they went to the fieldhouse and were given two options of seats. They chose the option that had four seats together.
"Never, not ever did we ask Lew to do anything," Glass said.
Lew looking in the mirror this morning as well :facepalm:
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It's a circus Ben . . . and no amount of your Jedi Mind Tricks obfuscation BS is going to change that reality.
A 3-ringer at that.
Lew's leaving is going to make "crushed dove" look like child's play.
It's gonna be a great summer, as the FBI and IRS haven't even chimed in yet. :driving:
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So moonbeam's fine with someone bribing Shrek for seats. Alumni who were forced to give more money to KU for tickets may not be so generous when they find out it was much cheaper to grease the AD.
I wondering if Lew declared this gift and other bribes on his income tax? Something the IRS and FBI might want to look into while they're in town.
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Hearing more and more that the 2008 football team was on more steroids than the WWE
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Hearing more and more that the 2008 football team was on more steroids than the WWE
wut? I figured the drug thing was back from Talib's days. Not roid testing
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If the guy had nothing on Lew, Lew would've turned him into the cops when it started months ago.
Lew hasn't been placating the guy for months for no absolutely no reason. There has to be something there that Lew was afraid of getting out. The guy doing it sounds like a huge doucher too, should be fun from here on out. He could make a nice big spectacle out of anything he knows.
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My whole family went to UK, and I've been having a blast the last week or so just destroying them over this crap show. Excellent, can't wait for more!
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http://cjonline.com/sports/basketball/2010-05-31/former_ku_employee_wanted_to_force_perkins_hand
http://cjonline.com/news/state/2010-05-31/support_for_perkins_waning
Shame on the C-J for not interviewing BMW and getting a real Jayhawk's perspective. All they talked to was a bunch of haters.
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KU can't take the pressure, resulting to bumrushing local baseball stadiums!!
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How many lower level athletic dept employees were fired for becoming aware of the ticket skimming / payoffs / bribes / graft going on in Lawrence.
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How many lower level athletic dept employees were fired for becoming aware of the ticket skimming / payoffs / bribes / graft going on in Lawrence.
A better question: What kind of severance package did these people get contingent on staying quiet?
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Rumor has it that there are several. Wonder when we'll hear from them?
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Man, it's going to be a fun summer!!!
:ksu:
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Anyone hear Tully on the radio this morning? :surprised:
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Anyone hear Tully on the radio this morning? :surprised:
no. why?
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Anyone hear Tully on the radio this morning? :surprised:
no. why?
GPC'ers talking about how he said he has been told stuff that would be very damning to KU but that he is waiting for an additional source to confirm before going public :surprised:
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Anyone hear Tully on the radio this morning? :surprised:
no. why?
GPC'ers talking about how he said he has been told stuff that would be very damning to KU but that he is waiting for an additional source to confirm before going public :surprised:
yeah. it's going to get really good. like, when whoever it was questioned roger morningstar about his alleged involvement and he was all like "pffft. that's old news d00d." that's when you knew it was going to get good. i mean i pretty much already knew, but that just sealed it for me.
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this tully? http://cjonline.com/interact/blog/tully_corcoran
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Folks this is a Morton's Porterhouse fresh off the grill . . . can we even get to all of it??
More talk from WEF insiders who knew Lew spiked internal audit that would have made K-State's look like $5 missing from petty cash.
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this tully? http://cjonline.com/interact/blog/tully_corcoran
yes, he was on 810 this morning. i heard it. said he wasn't really focused on the other stuff though b/c it would be so hard to find another source to corroberate. said there were several complaints made by this dude who blackmailed lew, specifically mentioned getting recruits eligible. i assume he was referring to wut? darryle arthur.
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this tully? http://cjonline.com/interact/blog/tully_corcoran
yes, he was on 810 this morning. i heard it. said he wasn't really focused on the other stuff though b/c it would be so hard to find another source to corroberate. said there were several complaints made by this dude who blackmailed lew, specifically mentioned getting recruits eligible. i assume he was referring to wut? darryle arthur.
This Dent guy reminds me of the poor teacher that tried to do the moral thing and expect a student to earn a grade. The teacher tried to maintain integrity but he was thrown under the bus and ridiculed. I truly feel sorry for these patriots that try to maintain their moral compasses while others try to bring them down and try paint them as disgruntled or that they have an axe to grind.
We need Kellis on this to show a less biased view of this situation. I would trust him to paint a true picture of this citizen and the situation.
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Has kellis chimed in on any of this, either officially or unofficially?
Is he even still alive?
:dunno:
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Has kellis chimed in on any of this, either officially or unofficially?
Is he even still alive?
:dunno:
He's the K-State beat writer. He would be out of line to write about it. Tully is doing a good job of covering it though.
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said he wasn't really focused on the other stuff though b/c it would be so hard to find another source to corroberate.
Oh for christ sakes. He's a reporter. Had Woodstein and Burnwood been that lazy or much of a pussy, Nixon would still be president.
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Brady McCullough pulled another bong hit and said he'll think about getting to this some time next week.
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Brady McCullough pulled another bong hit and said he'll think about getting to this some time next week.
Cut him some slack he has more important things like covering the T&F Nat'l Champship.
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At least when Prince Ron's super secret contract was outed, Bob Krause wasn't a "Sports Executive of the Year" that we crowed about to any ku fan that was standing still or could be forced to listen.
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It's a circus Ben . . . and no amount of your Jedi Mind Tricks obfuscation BS is going to change that reality.
Jedi Mind Tricks? All I did was quote a snippet from the article that was posted.
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http://cjonline.com/sports/basketball/2010-05-31/former_ku_employee_wanted_to_force_perkins_hand
http://cjonline.com/news/state/2010-05-31/support_for_perkins_waning
Shame on the C-J for not interviewing BMW and getting a real Jayhawk's perspective. All they talked to was a bunch of haters.
I've already stated that I'm completely fine with Lew getting fired.
:dunno:
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Beamzy, check out AAU thread. It's just for you and we're all waiting.
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Book club. This month's selection.
In Sheep’s Clothing - Understanding and dealing with manipulative people
By George K. Simon
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Good read and some nice insight into how covert-aggressive personalities use tactics to ensure they get their way and maintain a position of power over their victims. In this instance, Lew Perkins psychologically mind-fracking his victims, otherwise known as Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) ku fans.
The “Diversion” and “Playing the Victim Role” manipulation tactics chapters are particularly salient.
Diversion – A moving target is hard to hit. When we try to pin a manipulator down or try to keep a discussion focused on a single issue or behavior we don't like, he's expert at knowing how to change the subject, dodge the issue or in some way throw us a curve. Manipulators use distraction and diversion techniques to keep the focus off their behavior, move us off-track, and keep themselves free to promote their self-serving hidden agendas.
Playing the Victim Role – This tactic involves portraying oneself as an innocent victim of circumstances or someone else's behavior in order to gain sympathy, evoke compassion and thereby get something from another. One thing that covert-aggressive personalities count on is the fact that less calloused and less hostile personalities usually can't stand to see anyone suffering. Therefore, the tactic is simple. Convince your victim you're suffering in some way, and they'll try to relieve your distress.
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Supply and Demand. Big-time Business. KU Basketball.
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Supply and Demand. Big-time Business. KU Basketball.
$3m in missing tickets....def big time.
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so would you be in favor of KU having all of its wins stripped if it is proven that its players were't eligable to play?
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Mr. Dent sounds like someone open to a little horse trading. I, for one, would contribute to his legal-defense fund in return for his conversations with the NCAA on performance-enhancing drugs and eligibility issues at KU.
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KU Basketball.
cheating, already tainted title now worthless.
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Book club. This month's selection.
In Sheep’s Clothing - Understanding and dealing with manipulative people
By George K. Simon
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frgr-static1.tangentlabs.co.uk%2Fimages%2Fbau%2F97809651%2F9780965169608%2F0%2F0%2Fplain%2Fin-sheeps-clothing-understanding-and-dealing-with-manipulative-people.jpg&hash=930dc669789be453b7a5c8f45c2bed26f1378e75)
Good read and some nice insight into how covert-aggressive personalities use tactics to ensure they get their way and maintain a position of power over their victims. In this instance, Lew Perkins psychologically mind-fracking his victims, otherwise known as Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) ku fans.
The “Diversion” and “Playing the Victim Role” manipulation tactics chapters are particularly salient.
Diversion – A moving target is hard to hit. When we try to pin a manipulator down or try to keep a discussion focused on a single issue or behavior we don't like, he's expert at knowing how to change the subject, dodge the issue or in some way throw us a curve. Manipulators use distraction and diversion techniques to keep the focus off their behavior, move us off-track, and keep themselves free to promote their self-serving hidden agendas.
Playing the Victim Role – This tactic involves portraying oneself as an innocent victim of circumstances or someone else's behavior in order to gain sympathy, evoke compassion and thereby get something from another. One thing that covert-aggressive personalities count on is the fact that less calloused and less hostile personalities usually can't stand to see anyone suffering. Therefore, the tactic is simple. Convince your victim you're suffering in some way, and they'll try to relieve your distress.
I took that class on serial killers ( :thumbsup:) and many of them have these same traits in their personalities.
Ron Prince, Lew Perkins, Pete Carrol - serial killers?
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Supply and Demand. Big-time Business. KU Basketball.
$3m in missing tickets....def big time.
That's only the face value, ag schooler.
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KU Basketball.
cheating, already tainted title now worthless.
LOL. It's amazing that people like you actually exist. Hope you had fun crying yourself to sleep at night while KU fans were out partying and celebrating a national title.
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wait so they knew Duhrel was ineligible?
do the right thing vacate the title.
was the 2008 title game a matchup of the two dirtiest coaches/programs in the history of college basketball?
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KU Basketball.
cheating, already tainted title now worthless.
LOL. It's amazing that people like you actually exist. Hope you had fun crying yourself to sleep at night while KU fans were out partying and celebrating a national title.
:bawl: :bawl: :bawl: :bawl: :bawl: :bawl:
Ben on the eve of the 2008 *National Title being vacated by the NCAA.
So much of your self worth wrapped up in that tainted event. I'm extremely worried for you when it's all taken away.
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The level of Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) today is at an all-time high.
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"Medical Outfitters went out of business in 2007, and Glass says the company lost track of the exercise equipment."
This is my favorite part- Hey Lew, we're going out of business, and the equipment is only worth $15,000 to $35,000- but hell just keep it, we'll eat the cost and tell the IRS we don't know where that money went.
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The level of Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) today is at an all-time high.
You're on borrowed time, Ben. Live it up while you still can (in a Barry Bonds irrelevant home run record sort of way).*
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Whatever helps justify cheering for the little brother in the state, I guess.
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Whatever helps justify cheering for the little brother in the state, I guess.
actually, getting ready for NCAA regionals. Someone has to carry this state and ku has the worst athletic dept in the north.
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Supply and Demand. Big-time Business. KU Basketball.
$3m in missing tickets....def big time.
That's only the face value, ag schooler.
Weren't many of those tickets scalped, which most people take to mean as being sold at a premium? If so, I'd think we'd be talking about amounts > face value.
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Supply and Demand. Big-time Business. KU Basketball.
$3m in missing tickets....def big time.
That's only the face value, ag schooler.
Weren't many of those tickets scalped, which most people take to mean as being sold at a premium? If so, I'd think we'd be talking about amounts > face value.
Ummm.... yeah, that's my point.
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Whatever helps justify cheering for the little brother in the state, I guess.
What justifies having over a thousand posts on a different school's message board?
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Whatever helps justify cheering for the little brother in the state, I guess.
What justifies having over a thousand posts on a different school's message board?
The fact that over half of the posts on this board are related to KU, maybe?
:dunno:
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Whatever helps justify cheering for the little brother in the state, I guess.
What justifies having over a thousand posts on a different school's message board?
The fact that over half of the posts on this board are related to KU, maybe?
:dunno:
Oh, the "I know you are but what am I" retort. vicious
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Whatever helps justify cheering for the little brother in the state, I guess.
What justifies having over a thousand posts on a different school's message board?
The fact that over half of the posts on this board are related to KU, maybe?
:dunno:
Oh, the "I know you are but what am I" retort. vicious
lol
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This is exciting. It's like "What will come out tomorrow". More exciting than a coaching search!
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This is exciting. It's like "What will come out tomorrow". More exciting than a coaching search!
Agree.
MU may be jumping in too. GPC'ers saying Nick Wright promising something about Tony Mitchell coming out tomorrow. KU fans will make a huge deal out of it if it is neg.
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was the 2008 title game a matchup of the two dirtiest coaches/programs in the history of college basketball?
If Memphis already vacated all their wins and KU has too as well, who gets the bragging rights? :dunno:
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This is exciting. It's like "What will come out tomorrow". More exciting than a coaching search!
Agree.
MU may be jumping in too. GPC'ers saying Nick Wright promising something about Tony Mitchell coming out tomorrow. KU fans will make a huge deal out of it if it is neg.
Just got some info that Mitchell may not be able to play at all. My super secret text said his "college career is in jeopardy"
Man, being a cat is just soooooo sweet.
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Supply and Demand. Big-time Business. KU Basketball.
$3m in missing tickets....def big time.
That's only the face value, ag schooler.
Weren't many of those tickets scalped, which most people take to mean as being sold at a premium? If so, I'd think we'd be talking about amounts > face value.
Ummm.... yeah, that's my point.
So, the theft from ku by it's own employees and some of its boosters is even larger than the top end of losses reported so far?
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how much money do you guys think brady's dad made from this and where does everytone think brady will play next year? i'm going with 500,000 and baker.
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how much money do you guys think brady's dad made from this and where does everytone think brady will play next year? i'm going with 500,000 and baker.
Obviously too unsavory to play for Chipman at Washburn.
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how much money do you guys think brady's dad made from this and where does everytone think brady will play next year? i'm going with 500,000 and baker.
Yeah, $500k seems to be about right. I bet he doesn't play ever again. He's in his 30s and needs to start thinking about a family and settling into a career now that the illegal ticket money has dried up.
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You think Brady laughs when he gets those AARP fliers in the mail??
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how much money do you guys think brady's dad made from this and where does everytone think brady will play next year? i'm going with 500,000 and baker.
Yeah, $500k seems to be about right. I bet he doesn't play ever again. He's in his 30s and needs to start thinking about a family and settling into a career now that the illegal ticket money has dried up.
KU ticket office will probably be hiring.
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how much money do you guys think brady's dad made from this and where does everytone think brady will play next year? i'm going with 500,000 and baker.
Yeah, $500k seems to be about right. I bet he doesn't play ever again. He's in his 30s and needs to start thinking about a family and settling into a career now that the illegal ticket money has dried up.
That DUI will be brutal if any prospective employers run a background check. But it IS Lawrence, so there will likely be some back-scratching going on in the job search.
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how much money do you guys think brady's dad made from this and where does everytone think brady will play next year? i'm going with 500,000 and baker.
Yeah, $500k seems to be about right.
the illegal athletic department money was so much that it looks like he forced his daughter to give up her scholarship at volleyball powerhouse temple in order to walk on and try to help resurrect the downtrodden ku program.
http://www2.kusports.com/news/2006/jun/10/another_morningstar_joins_jayhawks/
"I met a lot of great people. I love my teammates and coaches. I was able to go to China twice and play overseas against amazing competition," the former Free State High standout added. "We won our regular season conference championship two of the three seasons there. I had a blast, but my time was up there."
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980 KMBZ lead in on the way to the airport this morning: "Lew Perkins says he's the victim".
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the illegal athletic department money was so much that it looks like he forced his daughter to give up her scholarship at volleyball powerhouse temple in order to walk on and try to help resurrect the downtrodden ku program.
http://www2.kusports.com/news/2006/jun/10/another_morningstar_joins_jayhawks/
"I met a lot of great people. I love my teammates and coaches. I was able to go to China twice and play overseas against amazing competition," the former Free State High standout added. "We won our regular season conference championship two of the three seasons there. I had a blast, but my time was up there."
Wow, he made his daughter give up her scholarship on a winning team, to walk on at KU where they went 10-19 (3-17) that year. Way to throw your kids under the bus for the sake of the mighty dollar, Roger. What a hero.
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the illegal athletic department money was so much that it looks like he forced his daughter to give up her scholarship at volleyball powerhouse temple in order to walk on and try to help resurrect the downtrodden ku program.
http://www2.kusports.com/news/2006/jun/10/another_morningstar_joins_jayhawks/
"I met a lot of great people. I love my teammates and coaches. I was able to go to China twice and play overseas against amazing competition," the former Free State High standout added. "We won our regular season conference championship two of the three seasons there. I had a blast, but my time was up there."
Wow, he made his daughter give up her scholarship on a winning team, to walk on at KU where they went 10-19 (3-17) that year. Way to throw your kids under the bus for the sake of the mighty dollar, Roger. What a hero.
i just had a thought. what if the daughter was in on it as well? it's the only thing that really makes sense...
"no dad. i like it here. we are really good. i love my teammates and coaches and we just went 11-2 in the league."
"they're willing to give you $50,000 in illegal ticket money"
"i'll book my flight today"
:surprised:
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Supply and Demand. Big-time Business. KU Basketball.
$3m in missing tickets....def big time.
That's only the face value, ag schooler.
i love that you're trying to validate/shove in our face/keep yourself warm at night/stick your nose higher in the air/wax your BMW w/ the rebuttal of "Our stolen tickets/improprieties/overall shadiness are worth more than your stolen tickets/etc..
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Just got some info that Mitchell may not be able to play at all. My super secret text said his "college career is in jeopardy"
Man, being a cat is just soooooo sweet.
It's like God said, "Hey, sorry about crapping on you for the last 100 years. I'm going to do you a solid."
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Damn Gary Bedore can type and suck dick at the same time, the guy is amazing.
http://www2.kusports.com/news/2010/jun/02/self-aau-players-arent-funneled-ku/
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Damn Gary Bedore can type and suck dick at the same time, the guy is amazing.
http://www2.kusports.com/news/2010/jun/02/self-aau-players-arent-funneled-ku/
9 players associated with the Pumps since Bill started coaching at KU..."Those are the facts".
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Damn Gary Bedore can type and suck dick at the same time, the guy is amazing.
http://www2.kusports.com/news/2010/jun/02/self-aau-players-arent-funneled-ku/
9 players associated with the Pumps since Bill started coaching at KU..."Those are the facts".
The ones Seff doesn't want go elsewhere; thus, not all Pumpers go to KU (just the ones Seff wants).
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Good news, Lew tried to square up the deal.
http://www.kansascity.com/2010/06/02/1988723/ku-reveals-athletic-director-made.html (http://www.kansascity.com/2010/06/02/1988723/ku-reveals-athletic-director-made.html)
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I love the comments in that article. They all pretty much say, "Blah Blah blah KU and UK get targeted so much blah blah blah cause we're the best no matter what"
Psychopaths
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Good news, Lew tried to square up the deal.
http://www.kansascity.com/2010/06/02/1988723/ku-reveals-athletic-director-made.html (http://www.kansascity.com/2010/06/02/1988723/ku-reveals-athletic-director-made.html)
He wrote a check in April???? All that says is that Lew was hosting FBI and IRS investigators, and wanted to airbrush the deal to look legit. He'd had the equipment 5 years by that time. To me, this only make the graft look worse. Lew, Lew, we're not used to you behaving like an amateur.
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Good news, Lew tried to square up the deal.
http://www.kansascity.com/2010/06/02/1988723/ku-reveals-athletic-director-made.html (http://www.kansascity.com/2010/06/02/1988723/ku-reveals-athletic-director-made.html)
He wrote a check in April???? All that says is that Lew was hosting FBI and IRS investigators, and wanted to airbrush the deal to look legit. He'd had the equipment 5 years by that time. To me, this only make the graft look worse. Lew, Lew, we're not used to you behaving like an amateur.
Yeah, he writes a check in april for equipment that he returned over a year ago. Lew must be hard up for money!
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Poor Lew . . . he's a perpetual victim of so many ner-do-wells, he might as well get VICTIM tattooed on his forehead.
Hate to say it, but all of this stuff is . . . sad, so very, very sad.
I wonder when Tardville will announce their Lew Perkins Telethon.
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http://www2.kusports.com/news/2010/jun/02/chancellor-announces-university-review-equipment-l/
Oh Snap . . . no she did-int!!
What a waste of time and money, she should just go ask tardville, they'll explain it all.
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Hilarious how everyone at KU and the local media is avoiding the elephant named Morningstar that is sitting in the room
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Poor guy, making 4 mil+ a year and has trouble making payments on $15k worth of rehab equipment.
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Hilarious how everyone at KU and the local media is avoiding the elephant named Morningstar that is sitting in the room
Oh but ya see, ku booster Roger Morningstar had nothing to do with any kind of recruiting improprieties. Go ask Seff or tardville, they'll set you straight.
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poor guy...
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Hilarious how everyone at KU and the local media is avoiding the elephant named Morningstar that is sitting in the room
Oh but ya see, ku booster Roger Morningstar had nothing to do with any kind of recruiting improprieties. Go ask Seff or tardville, they'll set you straight.
dax,
did you like my investigative piece on morningstar's daughter that was almost assuredly given some of the illegally obtained ku athletic department money to give up her full ride volleyball scholarship at volleyball powerhouse temple university to come back to kansas and walk on as a senior. kind of fishy, huh? that's what she said.
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Poor Lew . . . he's a perpetual victim of so many ner-do-wells, he might as well get VICTIM tattooed on his forehead.
Hate to say it, but all of this stuff is . . . sad, so very, very sad.
I wonder when Tardville will announce their Lew Perkins Telethon.
Lew's days are numbered. He cannot survive this now. The payment of "rent" on the euipment was basically admitting he got bribedfor better seats. I guarantee they are working on a way to Mangino him.*
*Pay enough money to ensure confidentality as ridiculous amount of NCAA violations.
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Poor Lew . . . he's a perpetual victim of so many ner-do-wells, he might as well get VICTIM tattooed on his forehead.
Hate to say it, but all of this stuff is . . . sad, so very, very sad.
I wonder when Tardville will announce their Lew Perkins Telethon.
Lew's days are numbered. He cannot survive this now. The payment of "rent" on the euipment was basically admitting he got bribedfor better seats. I guarantee they are working on a way to Mangino him.*
*Pay enough money to ensure confidentality as ridiculous amount of NCAA violations.
yep. the chancellor has to answer to the board of regents and the board is pi$$ed. bye lew.
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Poor Lew . . . he's a perpetual victim of so many ner-do-wells, he might as well get VICTIM tattooed on his forehead.
Hate to say it, but all of this stuff is . . . sad, so very, very sad.
I wonder when Tardville will announce their Lew Perkins Telethon.
Lew's days are numbered. He cannot survive this now. The payment of "rent" on the euipment was basically admitting he got bribedfor better seats. I guarantee they are working on a way to Mangino him.*
*Pay enough money to ensure confidentality as ridiculous amount of NCAA violations.
yep. the chancellor has to answer to the board of regents and the board is pi$$ed. bye lew.
The payoff is going to be HILARIOUS. It will be a doozy. In addition to the $4million he already got from ku thisyear.
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Hilarious how everyone at KU and the local media is avoiding the elephant named Morningstar that is sitting in the room
Oh but ya see, ku booster Roger Morningstar had nothing to do with any kind of recruiting improprieties. Go ask Seff or tardville, they'll set you straight.
dax,
did you like my investigative piece on morningstar's daughter that was almost assuredly given some of the illegally obtained ku athletic department money to give up her full ride volleyball scholarship at volleyball powerhouse temple university to come back to kansas and walk on as a senior. kind of fishy, huh? that's what she said.
I saw that . . . weird. "Yeah I love it at Temple, I had full ride, I got to travel all over the world, we won our conference twice . . . I think I'll transfer and walk-on at ku".
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http://www2.kusports.com/news/2010/jun/02/chancellor-announces-university-review-equipment-l/
Oh Snap . . . no she did-int!!
What a waste of time and money, she should just go ask tardville, they'll explain it all.
Thank God that ku put some internal staffers on this quest for answers, you KNOW they'll be objective.
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Poor Lew . . . he's a perpetual victim of so many ner-do-wells, he might as well get VICTIM tattooed on his forehead.
Hate to say it, but all of this stuff is . . . sad, so very, very sad.
I wonder when Tardville will announce their Lew Perkins Telethon.
Lew's days are numbered. He cannot survive this now. The payment of "rent" on the euipment was basically admitting he got bribedfor better seats. I guarantee they are working on a way to Mangino him.*
*Pay enough money to ensure confidentality as ridiculous amount of NCAA violations.
yep. the chancellor has to answer to the board of regents and the board is pi$$ed. bye lew.
bye lew :adios:
Two of Kansas University’s most visible administrators were not present Thursday. Chancellor Bernadette Gray-Little has been in London all week, and athletic director Lew Perkins missed the meetings Wednesday and Thursday because of a prior commitment. KU associate athletics director Jim Marchiony said Perkins stayed in close touch with Beebe and others at the InterContinental throughout both days.
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2010/jun/03/actions-words-dont-mesh-day-3-big-12-meetings/
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So the Big 12 Meetings that may actually decide the fate of the conference and Lew misses most of it??
That's engagment folks.
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So the Big 12 Meetings that may actually decide the fate of the conference and Lew misses most of it??
That's engagment folks.
If you had just fleeced the rubes at your school out of $4million while you presided over one of the dirtiest athletic departments in the country, you'd not spend a lot of time around your employers either.
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So the Big 12 Meetings that may actually decide the fate of the conference and Lew misses most of it??
That's engagment folks.
Power broker.
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Whatever helps justify cheering for the little brother in the state, I guess.
Yep. The same "little brother" that completely owned you in every sport except for men's basketball. :thumbsup:
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Whatever helps justify cheering for the little brother in the state, I guess.
Yep. The same "little brother" that completely owned you in every sport except for men's basketball. :thumbsup:
:confused: ksu won the big 12 posteason ncaa basketball championship. dumbass
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Whatever helps justify cheering for the little brother in the state, I guess.
Yep. The same "little brother" that completely owned you in every sport except for men's basketball. :thumbsup:
:confused: ksu won the big 12 posteason ncaa basketball championship. dumbass
Talking about playing KU head to head actually dipsh1t. Not how far both teams made it in the NCAA tournament (which we absolutely owned).